Jack has already added timestamps, but I do have the answer to Usman's failed drug test (per Drake Riggs) Usman Nurmagomedov's drug test failure at Bellator 300 is believed to be a result of a cough syrup-type medicine, sippin some lean. He had pneumonia ahead of his fight with Brent Primus. Some timestamps that could be interesting- 3:06 Difference between Goat and Best 4:07 Cejudo's reads vs Dom Cruz 4:32 Asterisks in a run, what he hasn't faced 5:42 Middleweight as a weight class, wrestlers? 6:57 GOATS defined by the best opponents 8:21 Good matchups in weight class above 9:34 Do fun stuff for Alex Periera 10:13 Secret to a great career 11:11 Like the Rocky Marciano situation 13:00 Overall GOAT stuff 14:18 Important place in history for Alex 15:34 Shine off losing career 16:13 I know what Usman popped for 16:45 Favourite Interview / Podcast with a Fighter? Favourite Book about Fighting? 22:52 Best Instructional of 2024 so far? 29:05 Building off straight kicks / dealing with straight kicks 31:48 Signs of a fighter being over the hill? 33:32 Rei Tsuruya? 35:19 Valeri kick and ashi-barai 37:38 Gregor Gillespie? 41:15 Next big technique? 42:20 How would you fix PFLator? 45:46 Mother's Milk Submission in MMA? 47:36 Ecological approach of martial arts Got lazy in the middle, first part is cool, and I have the answer to what Usman popped for
What's crazy about the Usman thing is if that's the case. Is that those medicines contain stimulants and thus are prohibited as a PED. USADA and WADA provide lists of ingredients to avoid on the medications. So there literally no excuse. Check the lists and give them a call I'd you have a question Either its neglect and he deserves the suspension or its on purpose and even worse
@vispian7688 well they did their investigation and the conclusion they made (based on the amount they found in his system and the medicine he presented to them ) is that it was from the medicine he took and so they only gaved him 6 month suspension instead of 2 years if he was guilty like jones, tj and others for exemple. You can't expect a guy who got pneumonia and is in the middle of weight cutting killing himself to make the weight to think twice before taking a medicine the doctor gaved him for his pneumonia reduce the pain he is in. I think people should gave him some slack or at least the benefit of the doubt.
@@500TD500 You’d think Ankalaev, Stipe, Jones and Aspinal maybe even Blaydes would all give Pereira a hard time take down wise given they’re at the same weight? That’s the fights that would be interesting but I don’t see any of them happening soon…
Jack Slack getting to watch every instructional on bjjfanatics for free is like hearing a celebrity eats at your favorite restaurant for free. Can't help but be a little jealous.
Actually a lot of guys in the lower weight class also have 1 punch ko power (especially 155er), it's just that the fighters there are a lot harder to ko because they are faster, faster reaction and reflexes, they can react to punches and roll with them better and faster, and they have better cardio and conditioning and so they get tired in their fight less than the fighters from the heavier weight class, and we all know getting tired makes you susceptible to getting ko, also they are more skilled defensively which helps a lot. 155 is crazy they got the speed of the lower weight classes and the power of the heavier weight classes. There isn't a lot of 155er ranked right now who doesn't have a ko lose on their record, which says a lot about how hard it is to not get killed in that division and reach the top. If your walk around weight is 190 you ain't a small guy and thats the average weight for lightweights.
Sylvie's MT library is great, aside from the kata-influenced rote padwork, Western gyms quite often teach it as a uniform/rigid art with right and wrong ways to kick/knee, etc. Watching the legends with Sylvie they all favour different variations on techniques and strategies, even the styles (muay femur/muay khao etc) vary with different gyms/coaches/legends.
Extremely impressive, to be sure. But it's partially because of the clusterfuck that the division has been in and that there were many former champions at the time.
I talked about the ecological approach to striking on the combat learning podcast last year and I found nothing you said out of order. I rhink the idea of "play" has always existed in striking sports but the CLA/eco way is just pointing out that the play part is what actuallay matters. I have taken some inspiration from your syories about Prince Naseem and I know Scott Sievewright (the man from ecopalooza) has as well
First 37 of Mayweather's opponents were either nobodies or ancient with very few exceptions. He had an average of 3 inch reach advantage. Still easily the best in his division.
Floyd had already defeated Corrales, Castillo, Gatti, Baldomir and Zab Judah by his 37th fight. They were all good fighters and none of them was particularly old IIRC.
@@gael.7593 Some of those were already past their prime (Gatti) and like I said, some exceptions, for example Judah. And they are good of course but not world beaters. Corrales had only 5 notable wins by the time he fought Mayweather. Castillo already had 4 losses. Gatti had 6. Baldomir 9. But yeah, I could maybe be convinced correcting my first comment to first 33 fights.
@@jesperburns They weren't pound for pound stars but calling them nobodies is a little bit too much. They were all world champions with decent accolades and Mayweather absolutely dominated most of them. Mayweather-Castillo 1 and Mayweather-Judah were the only competitive fights. About the losses, remember that records can be deceptive. Most of Castillo's and Baldomir's losses came before they got their shit together and started competing at the world level. By the time they fought Floyd, they both had decent win streaks. If you looked at Jersey Joe Walcott's or Charles Oliveira's win/loss ratio you'd never think they were elite fighters.
I'll edit this comment after watching the video but .y knee here reaction to the title/thumbnail is that I personally cannot make a case for Alex being "a GOAT" or in the conversation. To keep it short until I can properly form an opinion - achieving the right to join the conversation has one non-negotiable for me and that's overcoming variance. The easiest and most common way to measure this longevity - time at the top. But it's wider than that. It's overcoming all of the variances involved in fighting, - of which there is a LOT, most of it sits outside of the actual bout. The styles, the injuries, the opponent changes, the outcomes of fights you have nothing to do with even, forcing you to take a different route in your career, fighting for your life in a half empty arena etc. To over come all of that, time after time and still win and then go on to do the same at the highest level, that's what GOAT means to me. But the fighter must overcome variance, time after time. It's like poker in that regard. Pose this question to any tournament poker player: would you rather enter the WSOP as normal, but you get 2X the prize (so around $24million) or you get a guaranteed spot at the final table, don't need to play any hands whatsoever but you only win half (so around 6 million). Every single one of them will say give me the final table spot. That puts you at 9 out of around 10,000 players - 10,000 other players you would have to do better than. Day in, day out playing against all sorts of players with different styles, some smarter, some dumber, all posing some sort of threat. Playing for 12+ hours for multiple days is a very real and common possibility. To bypass that is worth half the pot any way you cut it. And the reason they'd all take it is because they all know, any truly good and dedicated player can win a final table, even against the best in the world, it's hard but it's nowhere near as hard as running the gauntlet over and over. On the flip side, ask all those same players whether winning just the final table is as impressive as having won the tournament as intended, and they will all say it's not even comparable. For that same reason, they hadn't proven they were better, time after time, against all comers. Again, what he has done is incredible and continues to be incredible but he is in a situation that is completely unique.
Not sure if Slacky J will read this but I'd really love more coverage of ONE events and other non-garbage promotions outside of the UFC. I'm not a patron boi but it'd be nice to have a section dedicated to deeper breakdowns of the cards, even if it's at the cost of breakdowns of the Apex slop. A lot of the time the ONE coverage largely consists of acknowledging there was a ONE card on, it was pretty good and just a mention of the good fights with no real deeper dive like there is with the UFC content. I'd rather hear your opinions on Nico Carillo vs Saemapetch than your thoughts on the bums fighting outside of the main event on any given Apex card.
I think it’s important for a great fighter to lose and come back from it because not everyone can…look at fighters like Tony Ferguson and Ronda Rousey. I think it shows some of what you’re made of…
I think the asteriks are very fair, but surely you could probably do the same for every GOAT contender? What about things like eye pokes, failed drug tests, fighting guys moving up a weight class, age advantage, etc? While LHW is definitely way more forgiving with age than the lower weight classes, surely Pereira being over 6 years older than Jiri, for example, has to count as a bit of a positive on his side, no? Ultimately for now I'd still rank him below guys like Fedor, Jones, Silva, GSP, Aldo and DJ, but I think he is already right at the tier immediately below
Your the goat if you defeat other greats and Alex's opponents aren't the greats? If you apply that then, who'd Anderson Silva beat who you'd consider a great? Same with Khabib, GSP, and so on. The Hill and Jiri fights are definitely more impressive than every Anderson Silva opponents other than maybe Vitor. Those two plus Jan and Israel are all at least as "great" as any of Khabib's opponents. And speaking of which, Khabib never fought any elite grapplers, hell aside for three or four of his wins, the rest of the dudes he beat were on the same level as Bruno Silva, or even worse. Izzy's the second greatest MW of all time and is every bit as great of a win as Jones beating Cormier, Rampage, Gus, Shogun, and Santos. Jones is, despite being a cheat, is without question the greatest mma fighter of all time, so Im not diminishing his opponents- or any of the other guys' i also just mentioned, Im just pointing out that once you start down this road of having an asterisk hanging over Poatan's stellar career because he hasn't faced any elite grapplers yet. Cuz like i said, Khabib's biggest wins were against strikers, or guys who may have come originally from wrestling but became strikers in mma, (like Gaetje), with really only RDA being close to a very good wrestler, and even he wasn't what i'd call elite. Alex has only beaten five former or current champs, that's something GSP, Anderson Silva, Izzy, or khabib never came close to doing. Which is why, even if he loses his next fight to Ank or Aspinall/Jones, Alex is already at least somewhere in the top 10, and with anther big win - he'd be damn close to top five even! Of course this is subjective, cuz like you said - great isn't the same as best, so your welcome to your own opinion of course. However I do think we should all agree that he certainly is one of the greats at the very least, it's just a matter of how highly you rank him in that GOAT ranking
@@janglingjack Penn definitely is! Back in his prime he was a monster, and though he stayed around way too long - he still should be considered at least one of the two or three greatest LW's ever imo! He beat the much bigger Hughes twice and gave St Pierre an extremely close first couple rounds but eventually Georges size/strength advantage lead to him dominating Penn in the next few rounds. Hell, he even took 205'er Machida to a decision for fucks sake. And yes Hughes at the time was great, but were either greater than what Izzy was considered to be when Alex beat him? Penn was a phenom at LW but is he considered a top 5 WW currently by anyone? And Hughes i personally wouldn't put any higher than sixth or maybe fifth, whereas Izzy is without question at least the second greatest MW, and Alex beat the only other dude that beat Izzy in Strickland, in less than a few mins. So is what St. Pierre did somehow more impressive???? Maybe, maybe not - either way, when you start down this rabbit-hole of nitpicking the "greatness" of the opponents that Alex has beaten, my point is you could do the same for all those other guys. Which is why i find this whole having an asterisk hanging over how great or impressive Poatan's career has been for one reason or another - is both annoyingly biased and also somethin that has become the go-to route taken by those trying to find a way to down-play what Alex has done. Because you could come up with similar nit-picks over all the other great fighter's careers. Plus it's also biased because Wrestling has been the META for so long that, if the roles were reversed, (like Khabib), you don't hear nearly as many people making the same sorta criticisms over the level of greatness of his career.
@@8301TheJMan I see your point. But we can't also diminish the fact that Izzy KOed Alex and avagned his loss while GSP decisivly won those rivalries by beating BJ and Matt two times, so much smaller of an asterisk there.
@@janglingjack Good points, which is a definitely a reason for why I personally would have GSP ahead of Poatan in my list. I think this disagreement also could come down to us debating different things, all I'm saying is that Poatan deserves to be in the mix for the greatest, but i certainly am not saying he should be number 1. Currently Jones, GSP, Silva, and Volk are all imo clearly ahead of Alex right now. I think that'd immediately change if Alex were to beat Ank, cuz then he'd be legit competing for fifth or fourth spot, and if he were to beat Aspinall or Jones - then yeah he may be the number 1 greatest - period - if that were to happen, (however unlikely that is). After those four i mentioned though, along with Alex - there are a bunch of dudes jockeying for the rest of the top ten spots, from Max, to Khabib, to Islam, to Izzy, to Cormier, to Stipe, and even old-timers like Fedor, Randy, and BJ Penn. So if your using the asterisk to say he shouldn't be in the top five or so, than okay i can understand that. But the way Jack was making out to be like he should be in the discussion for top ten because of it. That may not be what he means, but that's the way he came off in this vid anyways.
@8301TheJMan Aldo is above khabib, cormier, Islam and a few others you mentioned, decisively. Objectively by any metric. Just saying. I agree with your points overall! But to me Jones whole career is an actual real asterisk in regards to greatness (best is different argument sure) Being BLASTED on peds way more than the average fighter, always having a significant to sometimes massive height and reach advantage, consistently fouling and threatening fouls mainly eye pokes with that reach advantage, I don't consider him a double champ at all waiting for ngannou to leave and then cherry picking the 3rd best hw at the time with an ideal style for a vacant title, openly ducking the actual champion etc. Jones has always been overrated to me, beyond what I mentioned if he didn't have favoritism he would have a loss vs Reyes, at least a dozen point deductions possible dqs LHW was never a top shelf division etc
Alex's scraps are so fast I swear he self-sabotages to keep it even by releasing hours worth of sparring footage on his very public youtube channel lol.
It's funny how people can get so obsessed and forget the truth. This is why I don't take seriously or respect almost anyone in the online mma community. Most of them aren't worth it.
Eh, maybe lower weight classes are more well rounded, but the level of Striking in Izzy vs Alex has never been replicated in lower weight classes. Not even close. So yeah, Tsarukyan vs Islam was an equivalent in grappling level. I don't know why that matters more.
Adding to the favourite interview part there is one with Ali, Foreman and Frazier in the late 80s I believe from the BBC. Harry Carpenter also makes an appearance. Would recommend it to anyone who has a spare 10 minutes
At LHW I feel you could make the argument for there being no all time greats for each champion. Jon Jones best win was DC by a land mile but other than that all the guys he beat were at the end of their career or massively past their prime.
Stop… it’s ok to hate jones but stop. He beat 3 generations of fighters at the division and was also destroying them before he turned into a point fighting wrestler
the answer is simple: let Jones and Pereira fight; the fight itself will be fantastic, it is undeniable that Jones is one of the Goats and Pereira too, they deserve this fight, even if Pereira loses it will solidify Jones more, as he has never faced someone like Pereira. If Pereira wins, it could make him jump categories and enter the discussion as to whether he is the GOAT above Jones. In general, that's it, the fight needs to happen. Anyone who says fanboy phrases like: "Jones would smoke him easily, this fight shouldn't happen", or "Pereira would make Jones sleep easy", these things said are worthless, as it's just the person's opinion, and many don't want to see your idol loses, that's why I say that the only true and worthwhile thing is what each one is doing for the sport and they have already accredited enough for this fight to take place, it will be tremendous even for the legacy of one of the two. Deny the occurrence This fight just shows how afraid people are of their idol losing. I'm not just talking about Pereira vs Jones, but also other fights like Jones vs Aspinall, Pereira vs Adesanya3. For me, if the fighters are doing what they want, winning fights, they can request this super fight to try to increase their legacy. Denying in advance that it shouldn't happen because "People" are going to be smoked is the biggest idiocy in the world. The fight must take place, after which we will see who is who.
That should about hitting your head on the street is so real. I put my hands out to keep a drunk guy away from me when I was working on a door, and he tripped back and cracked his head open on cobblestones. Out for 8+ minutes, gushing blood. Scary moment, shit just happens.
Absoutley, couldn't agree with you more... it's become comical how fans look at what constitutes greatness.. I've seen people unironically comparing losses between fighters like cowboy or oliveira to islam... Literally comparing fighters who fought as many as 20 top 10 ranked opponents to someone who is speaking about retirement soon and has fought just 3 top 10s from LW, one of them a late notice hooker 😂 No one is saying he isn't a good fighter but cerrone fought more names in a calendar year than islam.. Comparing them 2 on that metric with no context sounds great, but if the context is know it's almost embarrassing a guy of islams potentail has done such little work with almost 10 years in the ufc now.. 3 of his last 6 opponents have been on late notice, arman has as many top 5 wins as the pfp1 in his own weight division
I’d like to see a fighter take Alex down to see how well Alex defends and fights off the submission. Right now, it appears to be a glaring hole in his game that no one has exploited yet.
@@Meanpeter1I bet tom or jon would be smart enough to secure the takedown and handle him easily, however jailton or blades would probably shoot obvious takedown and might get caught by a knee or uppercut but if they could secure top control that's a massive problem for alex
He's definitely not a can but he is a beneficiary of favourable match making. That's largely because 185 and 205 are full of sloppy MMA kickboxers rather than well rounded mixed martial artists. I don't think he's purposely avoiding wrestlers but he's certainly benefitting from the lack of wrestlers at 205.
Sylvie's MT library is great, aside from the kata-influenced rote padwork, Western gyms quite often teach it as a uniform/rigid art with right and wrong ways to kick/knee, etc. Watching the legends with Sylvie they all favour different variations on techniques and strategies, even the styles (muay femur/muay khao etc) vary with different gyms/coaches/legends.
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Jack has already added timestamps, but I do have the answer to Usman's failed drug test (per Drake Riggs) Usman Nurmagomedov's drug test failure at Bellator 300 is believed to be a result of a cough syrup-type medicine, sippin some lean. He had pneumonia ahead of his fight with Brent Primus.
Some timestamps that could be interesting-
3:06 Difference between Goat and Best
4:07 Cejudo's reads vs Dom Cruz
4:32 Asterisks in a run, what he hasn't faced
5:42 Middleweight as a weight class, wrestlers?
6:57 GOATS defined by the best opponents
8:21 Good matchups in weight class above
9:34 Do fun stuff for Alex Periera
10:13 Secret to a great career
11:11 Like the Rocky Marciano situation
13:00 Overall GOAT stuff
14:18 Important place in history for Alex
15:34 Shine off losing career
16:13 I know what Usman popped for
16:45 Favourite Interview / Podcast with a Fighter? Favourite Book about Fighting?
22:52 Best Instructional of 2024 so far?
29:05 Building off straight kicks / dealing with straight kicks
31:48 Signs of a fighter being over the hill?
33:32 Rei Tsuruya?
35:19 Valeri kick and ashi-barai
37:38 Gregor Gillespie?
41:15 Next big technique?
42:20 How would you fix PFLator?
45:46 Mother's Milk Submission in MMA?
47:36 Ecological approach of martial arts
Got lazy in the middle, first part is cool, and I have the answer to what Usman popped for
What's crazy about the Usman thing is if that's the case. Is that those medicines contain stimulants and thus are prohibited as a PED.
USADA and WADA provide lists of ingredients to avoid on the medications. So there literally no excuse. Check the lists and give them a call I'd you have a question
Either its neglect and he deserves the suspension or its on purpose and even worse
@@vispian7688 of course, it's on purpose
@vispian7688 well they did their investigation and the conclusion they made (based on the amount they found in his system and the medicine he presented to them ) is that it was from the medicine he took and so they only gaved him 6 month suspension instead of 2 years if he was guilty like jones, tj and others for exemple.
You can't expect a guy who got pneumonia and is in the middle of weight cutting killing himself to make the weight to think twice before taking a medicine the doctor gaved him for his pneumonia reduce the pain he is in.
I think people should gave him some slack or at least the benefit of the doubt.
He is just masking his PEDs. You kids are dumb.
usman mudwalking his way to 12k at the apex
Jiri's the GOAT for fighting in spite of Alex's shamans
Already a GOAT in my eyes, Alex is everything Khamzat said he would be.
Not a goat, wrestler will expose him like Izzy did 😢
@@500TD500 Poatan has 100% takedown accuracy. He’s more of a Goated wrestler than mediocre 70-80 percenters like GSP Usman and khamzat 🤓☝️
Come on, man. Goat? Based on his career so far? Nah.
@@500TD500 You’d think Ankalaev, Stipe, Jones and Aspinal maybe even Blaydes would all give Pereira a hard time take down wise given they’re at the same weight? That’s the fights that would be interesting but I don’t see any of them happening soon…
@@matepavic6929 So being double champ and beating guys like izzy, jan, Strickland, hill, and even jiri doesn’t matter? Many former champs there
great episode!
Jack Slack getting to watch every instructional on bjjfanatics for free is like hearing a celebrity eats at your favorite restaurant for free. Can't help but be a little jealous.
What if I told you you could do the same 🤯🏴☠️
Anyone can if you know where to find a truck where the videos fall off mate
@Breeze954 bro where would I find that digital truck tho?
10:39 the Dorian Yates reference is beautiful.
Actually a lot of guys in the lower weight class also have 1 punch ko power (especially 155er), it's just that the fighters there are a lot harder to ko because they are faster, faster reaction and reflexes, they can react to punches and roll with them better and faster, and they have better cardio and conditioning and so they get tired in their fight less than the fighters from the heavier weight class, and we all know getting tired makes you susceptible to getting ko, also they are more skilled defensively which helps a lot.
155 is crazy they got the speed of the lower weight classes and the power of the heavier weight classes.
There isn't a lot of 155er ranked right now who doesn't have a ko lose on their record, which says a lot about how hard it is to not get killed in that division and reach the top.
If your walk around weight is 190 you ain't a small guy and thats the average weight for lightweights.
Tell me you are small without telling me you are small 🤦
@@jokingbirdseems like you may be projecting there chieftain
This was a great episode - the amount of historical and varied fight context you add is incredible. Would love to see more of these.
Sylvie's MT library is great, aside from the kata-influenced rote padwork, Western gyms quite often teach it as a uniform/rigid art with right and wrong ways to kick/knee, etc.
Watching the legends with Sylvie they all favour different variations on techniques and strategies, even the styles (muay femur/muay khao etc) vary with different gyms/coaches/legends.
ty boss
The only podcast where you're going to get a Hemingway reference.
Where does mayhem miller fit in to the goat convo?
Alex may not be beating all-time greats, but his last 6 wins are over former champions. And 5 of those wins have been by KO/TKO
Extremely impressive, to be sure. But it's partially because of the clusterfuck that the division has been in and that there were many former champions at the time.
@@matepavic6929 parity doesn’t take away from his victories imo
@@clipsofmma I mean, it kinda puts his career into context.
I recall a Polish (I think) sumo guy who got into MMA around the time Pudzianowski did. He went like 2-0, and one of the wins was a smother.
I talked about the ecological approach to striking on the combat learning podcast last year and I found nothing you said out of order.
I rhink the idea of "play" has always existed in striking sports but the CLA/eco way is just pointing out that the play part is what actuallay matters.
I have taken some inspiration from your syories about Prince Naseem and I know Scott Sievewright (the man from ecopalooza) has as well
First 37 of Mayweather's opponents were either nobodies or ancient with very few exceptions.
He had an average of 3 inch reach advantage.
Still easily the best in his division.
Floyd had already defeated Corrales, Castillo, Gatti, Baldomir and Zab Judah by his 37th fight. They were all good fighters and none of them was particularly old IIRC.
@@gael.7593 Some of those were already past their prime (Gatti) and like I said, some exceptions, for example Judah.
And they are good of course but not world beaters.
Corrales had only 5 notable wins by the time he fought Mayweather.
Castillo already had 4 losses.
Gatti had 6.
Baldomir 9.
But yeah, I could maybe be convinced correcting my first comment to first 33 fights.
@@utkarsh2746 Excellent arguments, that'll definitely change my opinion.
@@jesperburns They weren't pound for pound stars but calling them nobodies is a little bit too much. They were all world champions with decent accolades and Mayweather absolutely dominated most of them. Mayweather-Castillo 1 and Mayweather-Judah were the only competitive fights.
About the losses, remember that records can be deceptive. Most of Castillo's and Baldomir's losses came before they got their shit together and started competing at the world level. By the time they fought Floyd, they both had decent win streaks. If you looked at Jersey Joe Walcott's or Charles Oliveira's win/loss ratio you'd never think they were elite fighters.
@@utkarsh2746 Then why waste time and comment at all?
I love Frankie but he didn't have success in 3 weight classes. He went 1 and 3 at bantam.
He went down way too late in his career.
Fuck I wanted to hear abt Tye Ruotolo vs Josef Chen but I don’t wanna pay
I'll edit this comment after watching the video but .y knee here reaction to the title/thumbnail is that I personally cannot make a case for Alex being "a GOAT" or in the conversation.
To keep it short until I can properly form an opinion - achieving the right to join the conversation has one non-negotiable for me and that's overcoming variance. The easiest and most common way to measure this longevity - time at the top. But it's wider than that. It's overcoming all of the variances involved in fighting, - of which there is a LOT, most of it sits outside of the actual bout. The styles, the injuries, the opponent changes, the outcomes of fights you have nothing to do with even, forcing you to take a different route in your career, fighting for your life in a half empty arena etc. To over come all of that, time after time and still win and then go on to do the same at the highest level, that's what GOAT means to me.
But the fighter must overcome variance, time after time. It's like poker in that regard. Pose this question to any tournament poker player: would you rather enter the WSOP as normal, but you get 2X the prize (so around $24million) or you get a guaranteed spot at the final table, don't need to play any hands whatsoever but you only win half (so around 6 million). Every single one of them will say give me the final table spot. That puts you at 9 out of around 10,000 players - 10,000 other players you would have to do better than. Day in, day out playing against all sorts of players with different styles, some smarter, some dumber, all posing some sort of threat. Playing for 12+ hours for multiple days is a very real and common possibility. To bypass that is worth half the pot any way you cut it. And the reason they'd all take it is because they all know, any truly good and dedicated player can win a final table, even against the best in the world, it's hard but it's nowhere near as hard as running the gauntlet over and over.
On the flip side, ask all those same players whether winning just the final table is as impressive as having won the tournament as intended, and they will all say it's not even comparable. For that same reason, they hadn't proven they were better, time after time, against all comers.
Again, what he has done is incredible and continues to be incredible but he is in a situation that is completely unique.
Starting the day off right
Not sure if Slacky J will read this but I'd really love more coverage of ONE events and other non-garbage promotions outside of the UFC. I'm not a patron boi but it'd be nice to have a section dedicated to deeper breakdowns of the cards, even if it's at the cost of breakdowns of the Apex slop. A lot of the time the ONE coverage largely consists of acknowledging there was a ONE card on, it was pretty good and just a mention of the good fights with no real deeper dive like there is with the UFC content. I'd rather hear your opinions on Nico Carillo vs Saemapetch than your thoughts on the bums fighting outside of the main event on any given Apex card.
Not the same as a fight interview, but Steven Regal doing Stone Cold’s podcast is brilliant. Amazing stories about coming-up in wrestling.
Jiri 2x and jan are 3 wins that age well
I think it’s important for a great fighter to lose and come back from it because not everyone can…look at fighters like Tony Ferguson and Ronda Rousey. I think it shows some of what you’re made of…
I think the asteriks are very fair, but surely you could probably do the same for every GOAT contender?
What about things like eye pokes, failed drug tests, fighting guys moving up a weight class, age advantage, etc? While LHW is definitely way more forgiving with age than the lower weight classes, surely Pereira being over 6 years older than Jiri, for example, has to count as a bit of a positive on his side, no?
Ultimately for now I'd still rank him below guys like Fedor, Jones, Silva, GSP, Aldo and DJ, but I think he is already right at the tier immediately below
Your the goat if you defeat other greats and Alex's opponents aren't the greats? If you apply that then, who'd Anderson Silva beat who you'd consider a great? Same with Khabib, GSP, and so on. The Hill and Jiri fights are definitely more impressive than every Anderson Silva opponents other than maybe Vitor. Those two plus Jan and Israel are all at least as "great" as any of Khabib's opponents. And speaking of which, Khabib never fought any elite grapplers, hell aside for three or four of his wins, the rest of the dudes he beat were on the same level as Bruno Silva, or even worse. Izzy's the second greatest MW of all time and is every bit as great of a win as Jones beating Cormier, Rampage, Gus, Shogun, and Santos. Jones is, despite being a cheat, is without question the greatest mma fighter of all time, so Im not diminishing his opponents- or any of the other guys' i also just mentioned, Im just pointing out that once you start down this road of having an asterisk hanging over Poatan's stellar career because he hasn't faced any elite grapplers yet. Cuz like i said, Khabib's biggest wins were against strikers, or guys who may have come originally from wrestling but became strikers in mma, (like Gaetje), with really only RDA being close to a very good wrestler, and even he wasn't what i'd call elite. Alex has only beaten five former or current champs, that's something GSP, Anderson Silva, Izzy, or khabib never came close to doing. Which is why, even if he loses his next fight to Ank or Aspinall/Jones, Alex is already at least somewhere in the top 10, and with anther big win - he'd be damn close to top five even! Of course this is subjective, cuz like you said - great isn't the same as best, so your welcome to your own opinion of course. However I do think we should all agree that he certainly is one of the greats at the very least, it's just a matter of how highly you rank him in that GOAT ranking
GSP beat prime Penn and Hughes lots of people considered them greats of the division. You could add Condit in as well.
@@janglingjack Penn definitely is! Back in his prime he was a monster, and though he stayed around way too long - he still should be considered at least one of the two or three greatest LW's ever imo! He beat the much bigger Hughes twice and gave St Pierre an extremely close first couple rounds but eventually Georges size/strength advantage lead to him dominating Penn in the next few rounds. Hell, he even took 205'er Machida to a decision for fucks sake. And yes Hughes at the time was great, but were either greater than what Izzy was considered to be when Alex beat him? Penn was a phenom at LW but is he considered a top 5 WW currently by anyone? And Hughes i personally wouldn't put any higher than sixth or maybe fifth, whereas Izzy is without question at least the second greatest MW, and Alex beat the only other dude that beat Izzy in Strickland, in less than a few mins. So is what St. Pierre did somehow more impressive???? Maybe, maybe not - either way, when you start down this rabbit-hole of nitpicking the "greatness" of the opponents that Alex has beaten, my point is you could do the same for all those other guys.
Which is why i find this whole having an asterisk hanging over how great or impressive Poatan's career has been for one reason or another - is both annoyingly biased and also somethin that has become the go-to route taken by those trying to find a way to down-play what Alex has done. Because you could come up with similar nit-picks over all the other great fighter's careers. Plus it's also biased because Wrestling has been the META for so long that, if the roles were reversed, (like Khabib), you don't hear nearly as many people making the same sorta criticisms over the level of greatness of his career.
@@8301TheJMan I see your point. But we can't also diminish the fact that Izzy KOed Alex and avagned his loss while GSP decisivly won those rivalries by beating BJ and Matt two times, so much smaller of an asterisk there.
@@janglingjack Good points, which is a definitely a reason for why I personally would have GSP ahead of Poatan in my list. I think this disagreement also could come down to us debating different things, all I'm saying is that Poatan deserves to be in the mix for the greatest, but i certainly am not saying he should be number 1. Currently Jones, GSP, Silva, and Volk are all imo clearly ahead of Alex right now. I think that'd immediately change if Alex were to beat Ank, cuz then he'd be legit competing for fifth or fourth spot, and if he were to beat Aspinall or Jones - then yeah he may be the number 1 greatest - period - if that were to happen, (however unlikely that is). After those four i mentioned though, along with Alex - there are a bunch of dudes jockeying for the rest of the top ten spots, from Max, to Khabib, to Islam, to Izzy, to Cormier, to Stipe, and even old-timers like Fedor, Randy, and BJ Penn.
So if your using the asterisk to say he shouldn't be in the top five or so, than okay i can understand that. But the way Jack was making out to be like he should be in the discussion for top ten because of it. That may not be what he means, but that's the way he came off in this vid anyways.
@8301TheJMan Aldo is above khabib, cormier, Islam and a few others you mentioned, decisively. Objectively by any metric.
Just saying.
I agree with your points overall!
But to me Jones whole career is an actual real asterisk in regards to greatness (best is different argument sure)
Being BLASTED on peds way more than the average fighter, always having a significant to sometimes massive height and reach advantage, consistently fouling and threatening fouls mainly eye pokes with that reach advantage, I don't consider him a double champ at all waiting for ngannou to leave and then cherry picking the 3rd best hw at the time with an ideal style for a vacant title, openly ducking the actual champion etc.
Jones has always been overrated to me, beyond what I mentioned if he didn't have favoritism he would have a loss vs Reyes, at least a dozen point deductions possible dqs LHW was never a top shelf division etc
we need to talk about BOATs too now?
How do I even watch k 1
@11:01 If he gets bored with Poatan, I think Alex "A Load of Question Marks with a Big Left Hook Attached" Pereira would be a solid nickname.
Sub meta is great I like Justin Flores website as well.
The borris Johnson of wishing ufc was on
The Boris Johnson of mentioning Demetrious Johnson which also rhymes with John Dodson and Cub Swanson
the boris johnson of wishing ufc was on soon idk
The boris jonson of watching guys get fd for free by Jeff monson
38:24 Sidakov confirmed this in a Rutgers wrestling boot camp
“Ecological approach” to striking 50:23
Why is the Chinese burn so underutilised at the highest levels of mma?
The whole GOAT thing is so silly. And the question is absurd, since a GOAT by definition ranks above everyone else.
Alex Pereira is the Hour-for-Hour MMA GOAT
Jack: “no fighters are GOATed and I don’t even acknowledge the existence of a GOAT category”
Note, the Meta on jiujitsu seems to be dynamically combining leg attacks with passes and back takes. But I also suck at jiu jitsu
Alex's scraps are so fast I swear he self-sabotages to keep it even by releasing hours worth of sparring footage on his very public youtube channel lol.
First, I want to see him fight someone who DOESN'T just stand with him & makes him truly mix it up. He's been kickboxing in the UFC.
It's funny how people can get so obsessed and forget the truth. This is why I don't take seriously or respect almost anyone in the online mma community. Most of them aren't worth it.
jack what makes u think i dont wanna hear u talk about JOZEF CHEN
Eh, maybe lower weight classes are more well rounded, but the level of Striking in Izzy vs Alex has never been replicated in lower weight classes. Not even close.
So yeah, Tsarukyan vs Islam was an equivalent in grappling level. I don't know why that matters more.
Gotta go fast
The Alex Pereira of trimming my ball haira
What happened to the muslim salikov breakdown? I saear in not tripping and you did a sick filthy casual vid
Adding to the favourite interview part there is one with Ali, Foreman and Frazier in the late 80s I believe from the BBC. Harry Carpenter also makes an appearance. Would recommend it to anyone who has a spare 10 minutes
At LHW I feel you could make the argument for there being no all time greats for each champion.
Jon Jones best win was DC by a land mile but other than that all the guys he beat were at the end of their career or massively past their prime.
Stop… it’s ok to hate jones but stop. He beat 3 generations of fighters at the division and was also destroying them before he turned into a point fighting wrestler
@@Augustin54nah stop the cap 🧢
46:37 This would've made the match infinitely better
Poatan should be ranked higher than Islam Makhachev since he has more top ten wins and is double champ with 2 title defenses.
20:46
the answer is simple: let Jones and Pereira fight;
the fight itself will be fantastic, it is undeniable that Jones is one of the Goats and Pereira too, they deserve this fight, even if Pereira loses it will solidify Jones more, as he has never faced someone like Pereira. If Pereira wins, it could make him jump categories and enter the discussion as to whether he is the GOAT above Jones. In general, that's it, the fight needs to happen. Anyone who says fanboy phrases like: "Jones would smoke him easily, this fight shouldn't happen", or "Pereira would make Jones sleep easy", these things said are worthless, as it's just the person's opinion, and many don't want to see your idol loses, that's why I say that the only true and worthwhile thing is what each one is doing for the sport and they have already accredited enough for this fight to take place, it will be tremendous even for the legacy of one of the two. Deny the occurrence This fight just shows how afraid people are of their idol losing.
I'm not just talking about Pereira vs Jones, but also other fights like Jones vs Aspinall, Pereira vs Adesanya3.
For me, if the fighters are doing what they want, winning fights, they can request this super fight to try to increase their legacy. Denying in advance that it shouldn't happen because "People" are going to be smoked is the biggest idiocy in the world. The fight must take place, after which we will see who is who.
That should about hitting your head on the street is so real. I put my hands out to keep a drunk guy away from me when I was working on a door, and he tripped back and cracked his head open on cobblestones. Out for 8+ minutes, gushing blood. Scary moment, shit just happens.
Ian garry is goat 😂😂😂
47:14 jack advocates waterboarding
Only thing bad I got to say about perreira is he had an easy path to the title. Shortest path to a title and no wrestlers
I would put him at 27th on the all time list, personally. Right between Anthony Pettis and Cody Garbrandt.
pereira will probably be always a bit overvalued because of his cool persona
Absoutley, couldn't agree with you more... it's become comical how fans look at what constitutes greatness..
I've seen people unironically comparing losses between fighters like cowboy or oliveira to islam...
Literally comparing fighters who fought as many as 20 top 10 ranked opponents to someone who is speaking about retirement soon and has fought just 3 top 10s from LW, one of them a late notice hooker 😂
No one is saying he isn't a good fighter but cerrone fought more names in a calendar year than islam..
Comparing them 2 on that metric with no context sounds great, but if the context is know it's almost embarrassing a guy of islams potentail has done such little work with almost 10 years in the ufc now.. 3 of his last 6 opponents have been on late notice, arman has as many top 5 wins as the pfp1 in his own weight division
The volk who fought islam 1 could have beaten anyone in the top 5 lightweights imo
Would rank him between 12-15 currently there is a champion who is one defense away from becoming top 10 all time and LW GOAT.
I’d like to see a fighter take Alex down to see how well Alex defends and fights off the submission. Right now, it appears to be a glaring hole in his game that no one has exploited yet.
Perks of being champ of a dogwater division, unfortunately
Unique take lol 😆
@@TheChadxiii I imagine if Aspinall were to take him down he'd be pretty fucked though
@@Meanpeter1I bet tom or jon would be smart enough to secure the takedown and handle him easily, however jailton or blades would probably shoot obvious takedown and might get caught by a knee or uppercut but if they could secure top control that's a massive problem for alex
Yea such a glaring hole that Jan was able to submit him in the 1st round right.
He's a can like everyone else in the Saudi Arabian owned UFC.
He's definitely not a can but he is a beneficiary of favourable match making. That's largely because 185 and 205 are full of sloppy MMA kickboxers rather than well rounded mixed martial artists. I don't think he's purposely avoiding wrestlers but he's certainly benefitting from the lack of wrestlers at 205.
Lame ass Elden build
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If he beats Izzy in 205, beats ankalaev, wins the hw belt and defends it, hes the goat
Sylvie's MT library is great, aside from the kata-influenced rote padwork, Western gyms quite often teach it as a uniform/rigid art with right and wrong ways to kick/knee, etc.
Watching the legends with Sylvie they all favour different variations on techniques and strategies, even the styles (muay femur/muay khao etc) vary with different gyms/coaches/legends.