He’d be stupid to go there he’s only a kid who would decline like the rest have done might aswell keep improving and wait for city or Madrid Utd ain’t nobody in todays game
@@Sutty0151 I agree with you because United fans will destroy this guy. They will say that Ten Hag is a genius and blame all the bad results on the new players.
What? I don’t understand why United fans think they deserve a cheap deal. Everton are in financial disarray and both Gvardiol and Maguire went for 80 million. If you want the player stop being cheap skates and pay the valuation. 70 million isn’t bad at all and United are trying to lowball the Toffees whilst leaning on their problems. And United fans wonder why you are loathed….
@@cameronhirtle7316You’re taking the piss right? Man United fans don’t think they ‘deserve’ a cheap deal - they just don’t want to be ripped off as they always are.
United might be fully aware that Branthwaite will be priced out of a move this summer. They might be submitting one or two bids in the region of 35-50M early on, anticipating Everton to reject those bids. And then do what they have said they would do, walk away and not pay "extortionate fees", just to showcase that they are willing to play hardball. That might make it easier for them to avoid the "United tax" later on in the window when they put in a bid for a RCB, which should be a higher priority anyways.
This Patrick is licking his lips on the prospect of getting United's money. Bigging Braithwaite up the whole way. He can't even, with a straight face, say he's worth over 70mil. He just wants United to make another mistake and get his club to solve their FFP issues off the back of it.
United fans here who haven’t watched Branthwaite chatting utter wham. He’s easily worth £70m. I wouldn’t want to sell him at all if it weren’t for the dire financial situation. Much rather we got rid of Onana and kept Branthwaite. Considering we were bottom half he was a big part of why we had the fourth best defense in the league last year. He’s 6’5”, completely two footed and reads the game like a veteran. He’s better than Stones was when he played for us and we got £50m for him about 8 years ago. Easily worth £70m.
every game I've watched of Braithwate he is getting destroyed. The Man City game where Haaland bullied him. The game against Chelsea where Cole Palmer nutmegged him, Braithwaite ends up on the floor, gets up and doesn't get back and Chelsea scored. He got dribbled past twice and gave away possession 5 times. Never seen Martinez do that. Newcastle game, he gets back and goes to ground too eagerly and Isak runs past him. There are times he doesn't defend his near post and Newcastle scored but it got ruled out because of VAR. It was a close offside but Jarrad didn't know, so why isn't he blocking the cross. Then he doesn't check his shoulder to see an attacker getting into the box and they got a shot. Lucky for him, his teammate was there to clear it. Brentford game, he goes in too eagerly on a striker and with one pass Brentford are through, they create a chance and lucky for Jarrad, they missed. If he makes these mistakes for Evertonz it's fine he is young, but he makes these mistakes playing for Manchester United, he will be compared to Maguire. It's the same mistakes that Maguire makes and he gets crucified for it, they will destroy this kid. 70 million and you struggle with the basics of the game. "Waste of money" "70 million down the drain" especially with the way the English media seems to destroy any Manchester United player as soon as they get the chance.
@@sanele4780 Those are literally the only mistakes he made this season. I’m not going to suggest he couldn’t do better there, but there’s a reason Everton fans are this bullish about his ability. Don’t patronise us saying “it’s fine for him to make those mistakes at Everton”. You’d be lucky to have someone of his calibre given you finished 8th last season and we conceded fewer goals than you. There’s an arrogance from fans that support big 6 clubs that everyone else is completely sick of. The second you don’t get a player outside of that clique for a cut-price there’s all this hand-wringing about their ability. He’s a future England regular. £70m and he’s yours. There are other clubs who will pay. As said, I’d be happy to keep him if we weren’t financially knackered.
@@seanfitz70 I'm not patronizing when I say "it's fine for him to make those mistakes at Everton". I'm simply saying that because when he makes these mistakes at Everton there are less eyes on the game and the media will not crucify him for making a mistake or 2. Casemiro made mistakes this season and got told its time to go to Saudi. They are ignoring the fact he just came back from injury and is being played out of position. Braithwaite cannot afford to make a mistake playing for United because when United win or lose, it is going to be bigger news. That is the truth, unfortunately. We finished 8th with Johnny Evans, Dalot, Casemiro and AWB at left back. You finished 15th with a 70 million pound defender starting most games, wow he is so special
Exactly. United continue to amaze. Why didn't they get Pau Torres last season before he went to Villa, for example? Head and shoulders above any United defender.
This is the problem: The Press wants Man United to keep wasting funds on British players of limited value whilst discriminating against foreign players and coaches!! This trend must stop if Man United will ever progress into a side that consistently competes for the title. I was hopeful the Athletic will break this mold!
@@thesampsoninstitute Except Branthwaite isn't half the player Todibo is but they want double the money for the English player. It's just bad business.
A mainstay @ 21 years old in the fourth best performing defense in the league… if you’re a Man U fan then I totally understand your inability to gauge his value.
@@501sabu501 you insinuated that because he forms part of the forth best defence, that must justify his value. I understand your inability to grasp logic and reason
@@_7.8.6 You mention logic but didn’t even follow the obvious logic train that was presented to you. You chose one aspect of the three I mentioned. Here.. let’s try again: Being 21 years old + Playing 40+ games + Being part of the 4th best defense in the league is what justifies the price tag. There’s many more reasons to name, but for the third time, I’m telling you, I understand why you have an inability to gauge his value. You don’t have to continue to prove me right.
You don't pay more than 45M for potential at CB and he will need to improve as his not good enough yet. Patrick thinks there will be a bidding war but in reality there are only a handful of clubs in Europe that would pay more than 50M for a CB and only 1-2 that would spend that on a 21 year old. He better hope Real doesn't want him as they won't pay big money. They will offer 40 max and if you don't accept it's proven the player will either just go on strike, say they won't sign for anyone else or run their contract down and leave on a free. Comparing Branthwaite with Maguire who was far older, had years in the EPL and played well at international tournaments with england is disingenuous. Gvardiol also played CL football, international tournaments and had seasons of top level form. If Jarod was french he would cost 35M, he isn't on the level of Yoro who is a better player and is only 18. Let's stop doubling the price of anyone who is english that plays in the EPL, 70-80M is a wild valuation.
take or leave it 43m(35 + 8 add ons) is too much already for kid who did nothing. just walk, forget Branthwaithe. let him stay in Everton and be pissed at them for life for blocking his big move. Everton paid $1 million. walk away please enough of this stupid nonsense. 70m price tag weight will kill a player. doesn't look strong enough to bear the weight of such price tag and then he become another dud. walk please.
If United pay anything over £45m for this guy, they have not learnt their lesson. He seems a good talent, but given the financial constraints of the club and the availability of more proven "young" talent for less, it would be financial irresponsible to pay inflated transfers and then compound the issue with large wages.
@prateshramjohn he's hardly more proven he's had a few good seasons in ligue 1 where lacazette looks like R9 and has 2 goals in 4 years so can't head the ball
Younger players are getting more game time at an early age. Partially because of the economics of modern football and the sheer number of games being played (injuries to senior plyers and opportunities to play). So, you can get yourself a 20-year-old (even a teenager) with 2/3 years of experience in a top league. E.g. some Brazilian have already played over 100 games for a club before moving to Europe before there 20th birthday
Because they were out of Europe for two seasons they didn't fall under UEFA regs for transfer policy, and the EPL didn't update their regs to match UEFA till this new season. that meant Chelsea were able to defer the ammortisation o fthe payments over massive contract periods, meaning their 3 year spend looked much lower, but unless they offload some dead wood this will come back and bite them in the arse in seasons to come.
Chelsea sell a lot of players and make a lot of money. Also they sign players on 7/8 year contracts to spread out payments. Chelsea have good business heads at the top if nothing else as well. Also they are not in debt either.
I hope not, Branthwaite doesn't fit in with the style United and ETH want to play. Having said that we'll probably end up with him because we need a Slabhead replacement.
Utd are not entitled to the best players because of who they are. As an Everton fan I’ve watched this guy play regularly and he is the best English centre half easily. I hope he stays. The initial offer was derisory. He will be £100 million player in the next few years. If Utd don’t want to pay then fine just go elsewhere. Pathetic that these clubs wash these deals in the press to upset the player and drive the price down.
@@rob776 not really, if it was about what he's worth to one party then deals would never get done. The whole point of transfers is finding a fee that works for both parties, everything else is just subjective semantics
@@shishsuke Point is, Everton don't want to sell. So you've got to `make them an offer they can't refuse'. Everton are happy for United to walk away, they're also happy to make a gigantic profit that allows them to buy a replacement with change left over. There's no benefit to Everton in selling him for £35 million.
Who here knows whether talking to a player and agreeing personal terms first is legal or not? Seems like some clubs can do it but whereas some others cannot or didn’t.
The arrogance of people who deem 35 million an insult for a 21 year old unproven player. If he was an International and mid 20s maybe but who do these guys think he is? He is a massive risk if we buy him and his price will be overinflated because he is English, If he wasn't English people wouldn't be saying 35 million is an insult. The arrogance of these idiots.
This Boyland due is just spinning PR for Branthwaite. Making him sound like prime Maldini. Surely at 21, he's got some flaws about him. Why aren't we hearing anything about that.
Offer no more than £55m. If Everton refuse, walk away and pay Todibo’s buy out clause. Clubs, players, and agents need to see that the days of United getting rinsed in transfer negotiations are gone. If Ineos pay a dime over £55m for Jarrad, it would hurt my feelings so badly.
@@Sutty0151yeah and everyone admits that was dumb so why would we do it again? Cough up branthwaite or well get him next summer for cheaper if you guys get relegated
@@iTaahj mate your not in the Fergie days anymore you can’t bully anyone no more take lukaku for instance you got told what to pay and did just like a good boy you will be told again and there’s more chance of you being relegated before us again which you have been more recently 😂
Before I'm a United fan I'm a soccer fernatic. Thank you Chelsea and Noisy neighbors for keeping this game alive. Branthwaite should c9me cause he's got passion, Just like Bruno, Højlund, Shaw, McTominay, Dalot, AWB etc, United will be great again on passion Not Bussiness Ludus Armor...keep Rashford ffs
David Ornstein, Moshri is not picking up the phone, and their is no one else at the club. YOU broke the story of him agreeing terms with Man Utd. Now it is a story????
No we don’t want or need too sell him that’s why we haven’t put a price on him we need him more than United next season and offering 35mil has made us not want too sell him even more
@@danielplantagenet8385 I know he's agreed terms, would you want to stay where you work or move and earn 4 times the amount? not hard to piece together
@@electivire1001 his agents found out what they are willing to pay him. You’ve no idea what he was offered. This is a football career it’s not all about who can pay the most. He signed a new deal at Everton last year on improved terms. They saw his value and offered him a better deal. He was part of a defence that kept the 2nd most clean sheets in the league and he’s just broken into the senior England team. He’s not pushing for a move. Another year developing his partnership with Tarkowski at Everton makes sense. Unless United meet Everton’s valuation then he’ll stay for another season.
With all due respect, Branthwaite is better than stones at the same age and he’s better than Man Utd. He’s good enough for Real Madrid and city and it’ll be them who come in next season if we keep hold of him.
not a utd fan but onana would be a signing utd should go after, along with guehi, toney and a lb someone like doughty, who wouldnt mind being 3rd choice at a club like utd.
I’d be happy if United run a mile, get 2 other players for the same £70m, and come June 30th, Everton will be desperate to offload him for what United offered in the first place to comply with PSR. 😂
I feel like the new Manchester United regime may be using Branthwaite as a way to send a message to clubs that they are no longer gonna pay the United tax...low ball Everton ..make a second improved offer that you know they will reject and then walk away
Contract length left hmmmmm sure it’s like 2 years so no doesn’t warrant 70m. 50m plus 5m addons deal done. Sancho contract has depreciates just like everyone else’s so you don’t need to get full price paid back. Transfer fee divided by contract length. This is in terms of the clubs books. You guys know better
Who do Everton think they are? Not won a trophy in 40 years, yet, think you can demand 70m for a player who has won nothing?! Play hard ball, drive your prices up through the roof... Forget the deal we did you for Garner & forget any other deals you think you're getting for MUFC players in the future. Poxy club.
50mil maximum, branthwaite is not the player the media are making him out to be.... He's a box defender basically another Harry maguire, and his ball playing skills are not that good, Marc guehi makes alot more sense for the money.
@@theblues8840 fast, haha oh my bad I missed the one skill he has over maguire.... That speed doesn't make him a better defender look when he was the last defender vs city... He's not utd quality period leave him at Everton. Let him develop then go Tottenham. That's his level not utd.
@@theblues8840 stop what your doing... Maguire is branthwaite, your literally embarrassing yourself talking nonsense, maguire, scores more goals, and with all that pace branthwaite has... Maguire still has more passes attempted and completed, better progressive passes and dribbles, blocks aerial duels won.... I can go on tell me this sir, how can branthwaite be better when all of his stats mirror maguire's except there worse. Your clearly just biased, even when branthwaite was at psv a ball playing club where they had all the possession branthwaite was still the worse for progressive passing, branthwaite is not the guy for utd period, go cry about branthwaite elsewhere sir. Go check out fbref it compares footballers against their peers in same positions... Branthwaite doesn't even hold a candle to maguire in that regard. fbref.com/en/players/c1949191/Jarrad-Branthwaite fbref.com/en/players/d8931174/Harry-Maguire
I am not sure he is worth what Everyon want for him...40-50m makes sense...anything between 50-55 is the limit...70m+ asking is absolutely insane valuation...
I pray Everton stay strong in the price and Man Utd walk away.. 35 mil made sense.. anymore nah.. he looks like an academy player who got given a shot.
Who’s paying £70mil for a defender nowadays? I think we are starting to see the pot dry up regarding football and even if your club has a buck load of money you need to be in line with ffp and whatnot.
They don’t HAVE to sell anyone. He signed a new contract last year. They also have other players they would rather sell before Branthweight. I would add also that nobody actually knows Everton’s finances even if they pretend they do. Everton will and do have options.
50 + 10 in addons take it or leave it. No one has come in for him and no one will pay the 70m they want and there are other options are.. Patrick actually speaking like an Everton fan on objectivity
United will end up paying at least 5 million more than Everton are offering him for now. They will try to not pay all summer, then desperately pay even further over the odds around deadline day. He is some random player with one decent season under his belt. Like slabhead, he is playing in a terrible team so constantly gets the chance to block shots or charge into someone. With the expectations to dominate games at Utd, he will be totally found out when asked to do something other than head the ball out of play. *sigh* Like slabhead, hes not the next John Terry, he is not the next Rio Ferdinand. He's more like the next Phil Jones.
I think they will sell for about 50 million. That's too much in my opinion. I hope Everton do not hurt his career by holding him against his will. All clubs now need to understand it's a different world. We now work under FFP I would argue that Maguire has been awful in regards to fee and return
Why is Akinwolere such a troll? Making snide comments and mocking United all the time. It's such a shame The Athletic have made this blinkered Arsenal fan with his years of ABU training the mouthpiece of it's main pod. Doesn't deserve to host it.
united taking the piss with Ratcliffe's bid..i say don't even bother entertaining another bid off them...good luck if thats uniteds way forward ha ha.....ull sign no one
As a United supporter I hope we walk away from this one.
We won't, we will pay 60mil plus guaranteed🤢
We have according to the recent reports. We have turned to Guehi
@@billbaggiotmua372n😊😊😊😊.
As an Evertonian, I hope you walk away from this one ; - )
you're thick then
Jarred Branthwaite is valued at 35m GBP on Transfermarkt. They've got some proper standards when they're pricing players, not just going by the hype.
People at Real Madrid like his ability...for Everton. This Boyland character is quite funny.
He is stupider than he looks 😂
Madrid have enquired about him now so
U think Madrid can pay 70 for such
😂😂 English people
Let’s hope not for £70m or £150k in wages both are ridiculous
He’d be stupid to go there he’s only a kid who would decline like the rest have done might aswell keep improving and wait for city or Madrid Utd ain’t nobody in todays game
@@Sutty0151 I agree with you because United fans will destroy this guy. They will say that Ten Hag is a genius and blame all the bad results on the new players.
@@Neo-Reloaded even united fans would reject united if they could but they wouldn’t tell you that obviously haha
What? I don’t understand why United fans think they deserve a cheap deal. Everton are in financial disarray and both Gvardiol and Maguire went for 80 million. If you want the player stop being cheap skates and pay the valuation. 70 million isn’t bad at all and United are trying to lowball the Toffees whilst leaning on their problems. And United fans wonder why you are loathed….
@@cameronhirtle7316You’re taking the piss right? Man United fans don’t think they ‘deserve’ a cheap deal - they just don’t want to be ripped off as they always are.
United might be fully aware that Branthwaite will be priced out of a move this summer. They might be submitting one or two bids in the region of 35-50M early on, anticipating Everton to reject those bids. And then do what they have said they would do, walk away and not pay "extortionate fees", just to showcase that they are willing to play hardball. That might make it easier for them to avoid the "United tax" later on in the window when they put in a bid for a RCB, which should be a higher priority anyways.
This Patrick is licking his lips on the prospect of getting United's money. Bigging Braithwaite up the whole way. He can't even, with a straight face, say he's worth over 70mil. He just wants United to make another mistake and get his club to solve their FFP issues off the back of it.
We don't want to sell him...
You're delusional pal
@@rob776we don't wanna do another maguire too
United fans here who haven’t watched Branthwaite chatting utter wham. He’s easily worth £70m. I wouldn’t want to sell him at all if it weren’t for the dire financial situation. Much rather we got rid of Onana and kept Branthwaite. Considering we were bottom half he was a big part of why we had the fourth best defense in the league last year. He’s 6’5”, completely two footed and reads the game like a veteran. He’s better than Stones was when he played for us and we got £50m for him about 8 years ago. Easily worth £70m.
He’s worth a bag of crisps we don’t want him
every game I've watched of Braithwate he is getting destroyed. The Man City game where Haaland bullied him. The game against Chelsea where Cole Palmer nutmegged him, Braithwaite ends up on the floor, gets up and doesn't get back and Chelsea scored. He got dribbled past twice and gave away possession 5 times. Never seen Martinez do that.
Newcastle game, he gets back and goes to ground too eagerly and Isak runs past him. There are times he doesn't defend his near post and Newcastle scored but it got ruled out because of VAR. It was a close offside but Jarrad didn't know, so why isn't he blocking the cross. Then he doesn't check his shoulder to see an attacker getting into the box and they got a shot. Lucky for him, his teammate was there to clear it.
Brentford game, he goes in too eagerly on a striker and with one pass Brentford are through, they create a chance and lucky for Jarrad, they missed.
If he makes these mistakes for Evertonz it's fine he is young, but he makes these mistakes playing for Manchester United, he will be compared to Maguire. It's the same mistakes that Maguire makes and he gets crucified for it, they will destroy this kid. 70 million and you struggle with the basics of the game. "Waste of money" "70 million down the drain" especially with the way the English media seems to destroy any Manchester United player as soon as they get the chance.
@@sanele4780 Those are literally the only mistakes he made this season. I’m not going to suggest he couldn’t do better there, but there’s a reason Everton fans are this bullish about his ability. Don’t patronise us saying “it’s fine for him to make those mistakes at Everton”. You’d be lucky to have someone of his calibre given you finished 8th last season and we conceded fewer goals than you.
There’s an arrogance from fans that support big 6 clubs that everyone else is completely sick of. The second you don’t get a player outside of that clique for a cut-price there’s all this hand-wringing about their ability.
He’s a future England regular. £70m and he’s yours. There are other clubs who will pay.
As said, I’d be happy to keep him if we weren’t financially knackered.
@@seanfitz70 I'm not patronizing when I say "it's fine for him to make those mistakes at Everton". I'm simply saying that because when he makes these mistakes at Everton there are less eyes on the game and the media will not crucify him for making a mistake or 2. Casemiro made mistakes this season and got told its time to go to Saudi. They are ignoring the fact he just came back from injury and is being played out of position. Braithwaite cannot afford to make a mistake playing for United because when United win or lose, it is going to be bigger news. That is the truth, unfortunately.
We finished 8th with Johnny Evans, Dalot, Casemiro and AWB at left back. You finished 15th with a 70 million pound defender starting most games, wow he is so special
@@sanele4780 Good luck finding a completely flawless defender then! To my knowledge there aren't any.
Why was he not chosen by Southgate given our shortage in that area?
Being chosen by Southgate isn't an indication of quality.
Exactly. United continue to amaze. Why didn't they get Pau Torres last season before he went to Villa, for example? Head and shoulders above any United defender.
@@thesampsoninstitutePau Torres is better than Raphael Varane and Lisandro Martinez? Have a day off.
Its the same reason he persisted with Maguire despite him being embarrassed most weeks, Southgate hasn’t got a clue
@@deangreen2567 better than Varane, and literally head and shoulders above Lisandro.
Next Maguire here we come
Anyone who genuinely believes this should never give their opinion on football ever again.
Maguire can barely run ffs he turns like a double decker 🤣
I hope United get lucky and back out from the deal
This is the problem: The Press wants Man United to keep wasting funds on British players of limited value whilst discriminating against foreign players and coaches!! This trend must stop if Man United will ever progress into a side that consistently competes for the title. I was hopeful the Athletic will break this mold!
Give your head a wobble. And take off the tin hat.
@@thesampsoninstitute Except Branthwaite isn't half the player Todibo is but they want double the money for the English player. It's just bad business.
The press has zero influence on who a club buys or how much they pay
Your comment has as much influence as top pundits. Not that these wnoobs are top
Facts!
Didn't they pay 80 million for a Brazilian who can't even use both feet 😂😂😂
Everton cooking the books with that valuation
A mainstay @ 21 years old in the fourth best performing defense in the league… if you’re a Man U fan then I totally understand your inability to gauge his value.
@@501sabu501 being the forth best defence isn’t solely down to him, is it now ?
@@_7.8.6 why would it be down to solely him? That’s a silly question, isn’t it?
Like I said… I totally understand your inability to gauge his value.
@@501sabu501 you insinuated that because he forms part of the forth best defence, that must justify his value. I understand your inability to grasp logic and reason
@@_7.8.6 You mention logic but didn’t even follow the obvious logic train that was presented to you. You chose one aspect of the three I mentioned. Here.. let’s try again:
Being 21 years old +
Playing 40+ games +
Being part of the 4th best defense in the league is what justifies the price tag.
There’s many more reasons to name, but for the third time, I’m telling you, I understand why you have an inability to gauge his value. You don’t have to continue to prove me right.
You don't pay more than 45M for potential at CB and he will need to improve as his not good enough yet. Patrick thinks there will be a bidding war but in reality there are only a handful of clubs in Europe that would pay more than 50M for a CB and only 1-2 that would spend that on a 21 year old. He better hope Real doesn't want him as they won't pay big money. They will offer 40 max and if you don't accept it's proven the player will either just go on strike, say they won't sign for anyone else or run their contract down and leave on a free. Comparing Branthwaite with Maguire who was far older, had years in the EPL and played well at international tournaments with england is disingenuous. Gvardiol also played CL football, international tournaments and had seasons of top level form. If Jarod was french he would cost 35M, he isn't on the level of Yoro who is a better player and is only 18. Let's stop doubling the price of anyone who is english that plays in the EPL, 70-80M is a wild valuation.
£50 Mill or walk to Todibo instead
Yes or Nikola Milenkovic
take or leave it 43m(35 + 8 add ons) is too much already for kid who did nothing. just walk, forget Branthwaithe. let him stay in Everton and be pissed at them for life for blocking his big move. Everton paid $1 million. walk away please enough of this stupid nonsense. 70m price tag weight will kill a player. doesn't look strong enough to bear the weight of such price tag and then he become another dud. walk please.
If United pay anything over £45m for this guy, they have not learnt their lesson.
He seems a good talent, but given the financial constraints of the club and the availability of more proven "young" talent for less, it would be financial irresponsible to pay inflated transfers and then compound the issue with large wages.
He's a good talent but you can get a similar level player for 30m on the continent
Name a more proven young talent that United could realistically sign.
@seanfitz70 obviously Todibo. He's cheaper, more proven, under 25, and plays for a sister club.
@prateshramjohn he's hardly more proven he's had a few good seasons in ligue 1 where lacazette looks like R9 and has 2 goals in 4 years so can't head the ball
Like the lads say, Everton don't want to sell. They're not taking the mick, the valuation's high because they want to keep him.
Younger players are getting more game time at an early age. Partially because of the economics of modern football and the sheer number of games being played (injuries to senior plyers and opportunities to play). So, you can get yourself a 20-year-old (even a teenager) with 2/3 years of experience in a top league. E.g. some Brazilian have already played over 100 games for a club before moving to Europe before there 20th birthday
How can UTD be so constrained by FFP and Chelsea not be?
Because they were out of Europe for two seasons they didn't fall under UEFA regs for transfer policy, and the EPL didn't update their regs to match UEFA till this new season. that meant Chelsea were able to defer the ammortisation o fthe payments over massive contract periods, meaning their 3 year spend looked much lower, but unless they offload some dead wood this will come back and bite them in the arse in seasons to come.
Chelsea sell a lot of players and make a lot of money. Also they sign players on 7/8 year contracts to spread out payments. Chelsea have good business heads at the top if nothing else as well. Also they are not in debt either.
@@Hellcure It does help when your monstrous debts (over 1.5 BILLION) are simply cancelled by the Oligarch who owned that debt.
Simple answer: Accounting strategy
Chelsea are selling hotels to their parent company and the Prem are tied up with Man City to sort it out.
It'd be strange having two Onanas in the side.
Mind you, they usually come as a bunch of Onanas.
I hope not, Branthwaite doesn't fit in with the style United and ETH want to play. Having said that we'll probably end up with him because we need a Slabhead replacement.
Brother it's not eth style anymore is united style and branthwaite more than fit that...
Why does he not fit, and what is the style United and ETH want to play?
Utd are not entitled to the best players because of who they are. As an Everton fan I’ve watched this guy play regularly and he is the best English centre half easily. I hope he stays.
The initial offer was derisory. He will be £100 million player in the next few years. If Utd don’t want to pay then fine just go elsewhere. Pathetic that these clubs wash these deals in the press to upset the player and drive the price down.
The bid was over 40M with addons was it not? Can't be way off his current value.
I think it was £35m with around 8m in add ons?
It’s nearly half what he’s worth and half what he’ll go for after one more season in the league
It's about what he's worth to us, the seller. Pay, or go and interfere with someone else's contract.
@@rob776 not really, if it was about what he's worth to one party then deals would never get done. The whole point of transfers is finding a fee that works for both parties, everything else is just subjective semantics
@@shishsuke Point is, Everton don't want to sell. So you've got to `make them an offer they can't refuse'. Everton are happy for United to walk away, they're also happy to make a gigantic profit that allows them to buy a replacement with change left over. There's no benefit to Everton in selling him for £35 million.
Don’t care. Just do not pay over the odds.
I hope we keep him. If United can't afford to pay the £100M we want, its not a problem for us... UTFT💙
Y’all don’t even want 100m you want 65m stfu
@@sabastian3022 either way, you can't afford him
Who here knows whether talking to a player and agreeing personal terms first is legal or not? Seems like some clubs can do it but whereas some others cannot or didn’t.
Not worth more than 45M after one full season.
70M?? GTFOH, Pat.
Maguire and Fofana were both mistakes. United paid 80M for 1 good season, and Chelsea paid 80M for 15 games and a 70% drop in value.
Mate in the middle has his blinkers on
And we don’t need a left sided CB as Martinez is leagues above Braithwaite
Who 😂
Branthwaite plays both sides and Martinez was injured the whole season and could be next season.
you just counted the only left sided cb Utd have. the more reason to have depth in that position
Max £50-55m , otherwise we should back off from the deal.
Then you will be walking away 😂😂😂
Typical united trying to sign overhyped left footed MAGUIRE when a player like DELIGT is available for the same amount 😂😂😂
The arrogance of people who deem 35 million an insult for a 21 year old unproven player. If he was an International and mid 20s maybe but who do these guys think he is? He is a massive risk if we buy him and his price will be overinflated because he is English, If he wasn't English people wouldn't be saying 35 million is an insult. The arrogance of these idiots.
muppet
@@davidsullivan7743come on mate I'm sure you can articulate yourself better than that. Stop being rude and actually speak
Sub 50 + add ons. Plenty of options I'd prefer. 🔴❤️
What's odd is that no one else is in for him. United will get him I think. United needs to sell as many players as possible.
This Boyland due is just spinning PR for Branthwaite. Making him sound like prime Maldini. Surely at 21, he's got some flaws about him. Why aren't we hearing anything about that.
Everton should have just not reacted to the offer and waited for other clubs to put their offers in
BRANTHWAITE? NO WAY THAT'S THE ONE! JIMMY RATCLIFE NEEDS TO PAY UP AND AIM HIGHER WITH ALL DUE RESPECT
Offer no more than £55m. If Everton refuse, walk away and pay Todibo’s buy out clause. Clubs, players, and agents need to see that the days of United getting rinsed in transfer negotiations are gone. If Ineos pay a dime over £55m for Jarrad, it would hurt my feelings so badly.
well prepare youself, we still really dont know if Ineos is any different from the glazers
The kid didn't even make the Euro squad where are they getting this valuation of 70 to 80 mill. This is crazy
You paid 80M for a btec Brazilian from a farmers league be quiet softlad 😂
@@Sutty0151yeah and everyone admits that was dumb so why would we do it again? Cough up branthwaite or well get him next summer for cheaper if you guys get relegated
Would you trust Southgate to evaluate talent? JB is really good but not more than £50M
@@iTaahj mate your not in the Fergie days anymore you can’t bully anyone no more take lukaku for instance you got told what to pay and did just like a good boy you will be told again and there’s more chance of you being relegated before us again which you have been more recently 😂
@@iTaahj Because United are even more desperate this summer than they were when they bought Antony.
i think just changed the target to Amadou Onana and seal the deal first.
As an Everton fan I would MUCH rather lose Amadou Onana than Jarrad.
Before I'm a United fan I'm a soccer fernatic. Thank you Chelsea and Noisy neighbors for keeping this game alive. Branthwaite should c9me cause he's got passion, Just like Bruno, Højlund, Shaw, McTominay, Dalot, AWB etc, United will be great again on passion Not Bussiness Ludus Armor...keep Rashford ffs
David Ornstein, Moshri is not picking up the phone, and their is no one else at the club. YOU broke the story of him agreeing terms with Man Utd. Now it is a story????
You guys should just rebrand this to the Man U Podcast
Branthwaite a typical prime John stones
short answer: YES but at a high price.
How can he keep a straight face saying in excess of 70M 😂
I want to know which club does David Ornstein support
No we don’t want or need too sell him that’s why we haven’t put a price on him we need him more than United next season and offering 35mil has made us not want too sell him even more
Everton will have to bend, player doesnt want to be there anymore. Clubs wont keep an unhappy player especially clubs in their situation.
Know him do you? 😂
@@danielplantagenet8385 I know he's agreed terms, would you want to stay where you work or move and earn 4 times the amount? not hard to piece together
@@electivire1001he's not long signed a contract till 2027 so he stays put till he and everton decide otherwise. Not hard to piece together really
@@electivire1001 his agents found out what they are willing to pay him. You’ve no idea what he was offered. This is a football career it’s not all about who can pay the most. He signed a new deal at Everton last year on improved terms. They saw his value and offered him a better deal. He was part of a defence that kept the 2nd most clean sheets in the league and he’s just broken into the senior England team. He’s not pushing for a move. Another year developing his partnership with Tarkowski at Everton makes sense. Unless United meet Everton’s valuation then he’ll stay for another season.
COMMON MANCHESTER UNITED
With all due respect, Branthwaite is better than stones at the same age and he’s better than Man Utd. He’s good enough for Real Madrid and city and it’ll be them who come in next season if we keep hold of him.
Linked to Southgate and Branthwaite in one summer, jeez… He’s an average PL defender, and should stay at Everton.
Why cant they just pay 45 mil up front then 15 in ad on that are attainable it makes no sense to penny pinch in this case.
Work Maguire into the deal maybe?
Will put price up to 120mil lol
not a utd fan but onana would be a signing utd should go after, along with guehi, toney and a lb someone like doughty, who wouldnt mind being 3rd choice at a club like utd.
Rofl. Anything over 50k is too much for that kid. He's just another skilled center back. He's not saliba or Martinez.
40k is overpriced for brantwaith
Ratcliff is a tyre kicker, he's a billionaire because he's cheap! Manure fans are in for a rude awakening. Glazers 2.0 without the investment.
and begs for government hand outs as well.
£70 million 😂
do you guys fancy Tomori ?
Very overrated, Jacob Greaves from Hull is a better player in every statistic. Will cost 20 million.
United should run away from Branthwaite.
Nope
Odd, I didn't see Hull in the Premier League last season lol
Everton taking the piss. Utd moved on already.
Eng tax as usual ..40 mill with add ons more sensible..But at the end of the day its evertons player..Everton are in the driving seat here.
Prem tax as much as a eng tax to be fair
I’d be happy if United run a mile, get 2 other players for the same £70m, and come June 30th, Everton will be desperate to offload him for what United offered in the first place to comply with PSR. 😂
United should get De Ligt
"Alright, so let's continue tapping up players for a "bigger club"."
I feel like the new Manchester United regime may be using Branthwaite as a way to send a message to clubs that they are no longer gonna pay the United tax...low ball Everton ..make a second improved offer that you know they will reject and then walk away
Contract length left hmmmmm sure it’s like 2 years so no doesn’t warrant 70m.
50m plus 5m addons deal done.
Sancho contract has depreciates just like everyone else’s so you don’t need to get full price paid back.
Transfer fee divided by contract length. This is in terms of the clubs books.
You guys know better
He signed a new contract mid-season that's got 4 years on it.
Who do Everton think they are?
Not won a trophy in 40 years, yet, think you can demand 70m for a player who has won nothing?!
Play hard ball, drive your prices up through the roof... Forget the deal we did you for Garner & forget any other deals you think you're getting for MUFC players in the future. Poxy club.
Ten haag rates Braithwaite more than Southgate
..i think Southgate may be too old though..
Let’s hope not, why would we want a blonde Harry Maguire?
50mil maximum, branthwaite is not the player the media are making him out to be.... He's a box defender basically another Harry maguire, and his ball playing skills are not that good, Marc guehi makes alot more sense for the money.
You’ve just outed yourself as someone who doesn’t watch him, Branthwaite is fast, Maguire isn’t anything close to that
@@theblues8840 Who cares if he is fast if he doesn't fit the system United want to play.
@@theblues8840 fast, haha oh my bad I missed the one skill he has over maguire.... That speed doesn't make him a better defender look when he was the last defender vs city... He's not utd quality period leave him at Everton. Let him develop then go Tottenham. That's his level not utd.
@@MrJahvyn literally the only thing Maguire is better at is heading the ball and even still Branthwaite is 6ft5, he has no clear weaknesses
@@theblues8840 stop what your doing... Maguire is branthwaite, your literally embarrassing yourself talking nonsense, maguire, scores more goals, and with all that pace branthwaite has... Maguire still has more passes attempted and completed, better progressive passes and dribbles, blocks aerial duels won.... I can go on tell me this sir, how can branthwaite be better when all of his stats mirror maguire's except there worse. Your clearly just biased, even when branthwaite was at psv a ball playing club where they had all the possession branthwaite was still the worse for progressive passing, branthwaite is not the guy for utd period, go cry about branthwaite elsewhere sir. Go check out fbref it compares footballers against their peers in same positions... Branthwaite doesn't even hold a candle to maguire in that regard.
fbref.com/en/players/c1949191/Jarrad-Branthwaite
fbref.com/en/players/d8931174/Harry-Maguire
This debate is nonsense. There is more common sense on the board than in this video.
I am not sure he is worth what Everyon want for him...40-50m makes sense...anything between 50-55 is the limit...70m+ asking is absolutely insane valuation...
He’s not good enough for united, hope we walk away
Another lie, Everton do not have a PSR issue.
I pray Everton stay strong in the price and Man Utd walk away.. 35 mil made sense.. anymore nah.. he looks like an academy player who got given a shot.
Man Utd will make a loss on any player they sell 😂
When you overpay, you lose.
Who’s paying £70mil for a defender nowadays? I think we are starting to see the pot dry up regarding football and even if your club has a buck load of money you need to be in line with ffp and whatnot.
THEY HAVE TO SELL HIM THEY HAVE NO CHOICE THEY HAVE TILL THE 30th of june
They don’t HAVE to sell anyone. He signed a new contract last year. They also have other players they would rather sell before Branthweight. I would add also that nobody actually knows Everton’s finances even if they pretend they do. Everton will and do have options.
He's worth 10 million max
Walk away another Maguire in the making
I'm convinced Patrick boyland is sat on the toilet
Well, nobody in the United fan base actually want this kid. Especially at the price Everton want for him. But alas this is United now for you I guess
Max 50 mil for me
David Ornstein no one at Everton is negotiating any sales of players. Man Utd may as well be faxing bids to KFC for Colenal Sanders.
Get him for 50 or walk
Just put that money Into yoro and get a better player
Only if they accept 50m.
All United have to do is wait
martinez is better then branthwaite if united tried to sell martinez you think they would get 70+million
50 + 10 in addons take it or leave it. No one has come in for him and no one will pay the 70m they want and there are other options are.. Patrick actually speaking like an Everton fan on objectivity
United will end up paying at least 5 million more than Everton are offering him for now. They will try to not pay all summer, then desperately pay even further over the odds around deadline day.
He is some random player with one decent season under his belt. Like slabhead, he is playing in a terrible team so constantly gets the chance to block shots or charge into someone.
With the expectations to dominate games at Utd, he will be totally found out when asked to do something other than head the ball out of play.
*sigh*
Like slabhead, hes not the next John Terry, he is not the next Rio Ferdinand. He's more like the next Phil Jones.
@@thesampsoninstituteouted yourself as clueless here, he’s already won a trophy at PSV two years ago and played in Europe too 🤣
I think they will sell for about 50 million. That's too much in my opinion. I hope Everton do not hurt his career by holding him against his will. All clubs now need to understand it's a different world. We now work under FFP
I would argue that Maguire has been awful in regards to fee and return
I hope not.
£50m and £5m add ons
Why is Akinwolere such a troll?
Making snide comments and mocking United all the time.
It's such a shame The Athletic have made this blinkered Arsenal fan with his years of ABU training the mouthpiece of it's main pod.
Doesn't deserve to host it.
Video too long we doing this for every young potential? Christ
united taking the piss with Ratcliffe's bid..i say don't even bother entertaining another bid off them...good luck if thats uniteds way forward ha ha.....ull sign no one
GG
Go Mets!
United will walk away.