John Behr - Do Heaven and Hell Really Exist?
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What kind of God would create Hell? Does the nature of Hell offer insight into what that kind of God would be like? Does the truth of Christianity, Judaism, Islam depend on the reality of Hell? Infinite torment for finite sin? Are there other interpretations of scripture? Traditional views of Hell are odious and repugnant. Who’d want reality to be like that?
John Behr is a contemporary Eastern Orthodox priest and theologian, and Dean of St. Vladimir’s Orthodox Theological Seminary, where he teaches Patristics. He was ordained to the diaconate (the feast of the Nativity of the Theotokos) and the priesthood (the feast of the Exaltation of the Cross).
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He's not embarrassed to discuss heaven and hell and then refuses to discuss them.
He can't answer because he doesn't know. It's a lot of smoke and mirrors.
Overly simplified explanation for people with comments like this.
Early church: Human civilization is well accustomed to metaphor, hyperbole, and poetry to express the human perception and experience of reality.
Today: Post scientific enlightenment the last few hundred years has infused our language and thinking into depending on very strict literal understandings of basically everything and so it's almost impossible for modern people to look back at ancient people and fully comprehend what non literal expression actually is.
Cut to interviewer simply following along the modern way of thinking and speaking, ask for a literal only answer to a question and a concept conceived in the ancient eras of metaphorical expression, to an Orthodox theologian who spends most of his time diving into the minds of first century peoples... It was destined to be an awkward conversation from the very jump to say the least.
☦️Because he is a heretic who denies Scripture & the Saints' teaching. This pagan dares say it is "from pagan mythology"
This was six minutes and seven seconds of watching him try to avoid answering the darn question or attempting to reframe the question into something he /can/ talk about. I love watching those people squirm when told to get to the point. He never really did. These conversations always end the same way. Very disappointing but not at all surprising.
The question, not Behr’s answer, is evasive. The question of heaven and hell is usually posed in ways that presume Christ’s irrelevance. No definition of heaven and hell is to be considered, only a yes or no answer. We’re not to ask what it is we’re saying yes or no to. At best, this makes Christ a traffic cop or grid manager, waving cars on to their destinations. Anyone else could have been hired for that job. But according to Orthodox and Catholic doctrine, Christ himself is destination and way. Heaven and hell are defined in that doctrine as the attraction or repulsion of the dead and the living toward Christ. Hell just is their aversion to, or pain in the presence of, Christ’s self sacrificing love; it has no other content; dead or alive, you are in hell by your action, not God’s. Behr’s refusal to budge on this Christological point is a strength, but in an upside down world, he is belittled for weakness. Attend to your own weakness. Take up your cross.
It's very obvious that he is evading the question and doesn't want to confront the fact that he doesn't believe in heaven & hell as propagated in Christian tradition - perhaps to keep the charade of a believer for his followers
A charlatan in every sense of the word.
Exactly.
@@Anthropodelic Perhaps "charlatan" is a harsh assessment, he seems to have said a bunch of things here...at time he seems to align with Advaita Vedanta but at other times he goes to other places...his response seems confused
Maybe what you say is true but you should have a direct dialog with him and present your views to understand where he is coming from...
The facade must be maintained. Of course he knows it’s nonsense, but his aims demand his dishonesty.
I like to keep in mind that Mr. Behr is in a difficult position to attempt to help pull traditional views of heaven and hell out of the dark ages, while not alienating himself in the process, at which point he would be unable to effect positive change. It doesn't appear to me that he is trying to evade the question, but rather navigate it in a way that is both productive and protective of personal vulnerability.
All the people saying he's avoiding talking about heaven and hell are wrong. No, he's saying that it's the wrong question entirely. Because what happens to us immediately after we die is not the focal point of the New Testament. In fact, this is barely mentioned at all. The focus of the New Testament is how Jesus inaugurated the Kingdom (Rule) of God and how we can have God come live with us through the spirit.
"Existence for eternity could get a little boring... especially towards the end".---Woody Allen. "All the interesting people are in hell". ---Nietzsche
Next up we’ll ask a cocaine addict if they enjoy cocaine.
Eccl 5: 9 "The dead know not anything."
Acts 24: 15 "There shall he a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and the unjust."
Psalms 37: 29 "The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein forever."
Fr. Behr described our relationship to the concepts of heaven and hell in a way that is in tune with Buddhist understandings of heaven, hell, and enlightenment. These images and ideas are metaphors that are meant to bring us back to the most important thing that we can do in this life, whatever else happens after death: We can practice letting go of all the ideas, opinions, fears, hatreds, and addictions that cause us to focus all of our energy on prioritizing ourselves above all others, maintaining an iron grip on anything we call “ours,” and pushing away anything we label “not our problem.”
Even the Dalai Lama, who Buddhists believe to be the reincarnation of an unbroken line of saints going back to the Buddha himself, says flatly that he does not know what, if anything, becomes of us after death. In the face of this profound mystery, and our anxiety about not knowing what is to come, he says that the most important thing we can do is to learn how to live in a way where our happiness does not come at someone else’s expense-or vice versa. This, he says, is the very best preparation we can make for our moment of death-and for the moment after that.
This teaching is sometimes presented in the form of a question: “Since death is certain, and the time of death is uncertain, what matters most?”
There’s another Buddhist saying that explains why an Eastern Orthodox priest and the Dalai Lama could find themselves on basically the same page regarding what the mystery of death can teach us about life in the here-and-now: “All paths lead to one point.” That is, all religions seek to bring about the same change of heart in those who practice them: helping us to loosen the vice grip we place on all that we want and love, and to become willing to encounter what frightens, angers, or revolts us in ourselves and others, with compassion, and without turning away.
Thank you for this great comment
It's not even certain we will die, because no one alive has experienced death
Our Creator knows everything about us and knew that we would have a lot of important questions about life and death, so he lovingly provided all the answers for us in the Bible. There he tells us where we came from, the purpose of life, why we grow old and die, what happens to us when we die, and so on. Death wasn’t a part of his original purpose for humans. He wanted them to live forever on a beautiful paradise earth in perfect health and happiness. (Genesis 1:28) Death was mentioned only in connection with disobedience. God told Adam that he could eat to satisfaction from every tree in the Garden of Eden except one. If he ate from that tree he would die. (Genesis 2:16, 17) The converse is true; if he didn’t eat from it he would have continued living. As we know, Eve ate from the tree first and then Adam did too. When passing sentence on Adam, God told him, “In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return”. (Genesis 3:19) From the moment they disobeyed they began to grow old and die. At Romans 5:12 the Bible tells us that just like a hereditary illness, death was passed from Adam to all his descendants. That’s why everybody, without exception grows old and eventually dies. However, this situation won’t continue for much longer. Very shortly God will act to fulfill his original purpose for humans and the earth. A wonderful future awaits everyone who wants to live in peace and harmony with others, our beautiful planet, and all life on it. (Isaiah 11:6-9) Psalm 37:10, 11 says, “Just a little while longer and the wicked will be no more; you will look at where they were, and they will not be there. But the meek will possess the earth, and they will find exquisite delight in the abundance of peace”. These wonderful changes are coming very soon!
Of course, heaven and hell actually exist. We're already in both heaven and hell, which is why good and evil both exist beside each other.
"The mind is its own place and of itself can make a hell of heaven and a heaven of hell." -Milton
Even biological death will be an option in the not too distant future if we don't snuff ourselves out in the next 300-500 years. The Orthodox priest didn't answer the Q...
Thankfully, our Creator is very shortly going to rescue us from the dire situation we find ourselves in. Only he has both the desire and the power to make the necessary changes to bring about true peace and security earthwide and care for every individual’s needs. (Micah 4:4; Isaiah 65:21, 22) He will accomplish this by means of his heavenly Kingdom government which is currently poised to take over the rulership of the entire earth. (Luke 4:43; Matthew 6:10) The Kingdom will entirely remove all human governments along with everyone who causes harm to others and to our beautiful planet. (Daniel 2:44; Proverbs 2:21, 22; Revelation 11:18) Everyone who wants to live in peace and harmony with others has a wonderful future in store. Psalm 37:10, 11 says, “Just a little while longer and the wicked will be no more; you will look at where they were, and they will not be there. But the meek will possess the earth, and they will find exquisite delight in the abundance of peace”. These wonderful changes are coming very soon!
I think we are nearing the point where Christianity can mean whatever you want it to mean.
Of course they exist!
They are both on this planet right now!
Poor are in hell and rich in haven
No. The rich are in hell and the poor are in double secret hell
Mo' money mo' problems 😂😊
This is a masterclass on how religion inhibits the human grasp on reality
Please hand this cringe view back to the 18th century enlightenment. Atheists so clearly don't have a grasp on reality.
Dimensions in Science: A Complex Picture.
we observe four dimensions.
* Three spatial dimensions: length, width, and height.
* One temporal dimension: time.
However, the story doesn't end there.
* Theoretical Physics: Some theories, like string theory, propose the existence of up to 10 or 11 dimensions. These extra dimensions are thought to be incredibly small and curled up, invisible to our current observations.
* Mathematical Concepts: In mathematics, we can define spaces with any number of dimensions. This is a tool used in various fields like geometry, physics, and computer science.
It's important to note:
* The dimensions we experience are the ones we can directly observe and measure.
* The higher dimensions proposed by theories are mathematical constructs used to explain phenomena we currently can't fully understand.
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In religion, we call them heaven or earth or purgatory, or mind , etc .
Whether Heaven or Hell exist or even an afterlife exists is immaterial. The human imagination is able to postulate a host of xtra-reality (if reality is defined by our daily experience, through our senses) possibilities - both provable and unprovable. Both scientific and para-psychological. This man is giving a nuanced argument from his perspective on not only how to consider the question but if he believes there is a defendable answer, and for that he gets nothing but grief from the keyboard warriors who not only outrightly dismiss his contention but him as a person of faith and education. I guarantee most of them would not have any knowledge of the historical base upon which he builds his contention. Scientists of all stripes are the worst. They have basic knowledge upon which they build a world-view that extends to the unprovable extremes and are never questioned. A man of faith who follows the same recipe is derided and mocked in many of the commentators on this channel. They serve to illuminate nothing but their own biases and ignorance.
I agree that the question of an afterlife is immaterial. The question that really matters is: What rational justification can you provide for anyone to conclude that some omnipotent being exists?
I’m with you on the grief, there’s too much of that here, or in general. We can disagree on the issues without getting personal. Scientists of all stripes though? Including the very many religious ones, now and throughout history? As for ‘never questioned’, some of the harshest and demanding critics of scientists are often other scientists. They just tend to be civil about it.
Are you a THEIST? 🤔
If so, what are the reasons for your BELIEF in God? 🤓
@@Akira-jd2zr None. I choose to believe it. You do you. Prove to me that there is a multiverse or that self- consciousness is an illusion. Or that we live in a block-time reality. You can postulate but not prove. Why is your flight of fancy more legitimate than mine?
@@simonhibbs887 On the contrary, many of the scientists featured on this channel display an open disdain for those of faith. I find the bona-fide scientists who are acknowledged in their field who are featured on this channel the most interesting. That they can understand the nuances and fine details of their discipline and have a firm faith is amazing.
Need to see the whole interview. Where is it?
Would you look at this guy, all costumed and making it up as he goes along. What a weird life we’ve carved out as a species.
This coming from the (guy?) with the pink shaded profile pic striking a pose.
@@100percentSNAFU where did the similarly dressed man touch you? It’s not your fault.
So he's a priest in the name of this religion and can't answer about as basic a question as you can get about his own religion
Generally speaking the beliefs and teachings of the so-called Christian religions bear no resemblance whatsoever to the Bible. They have misrepresented both God and the Bible causing many people to turn away from God. As a result these people don’t know the true message of the Bible which is good news for mankind. When Jesus was on earth he told people “the good news of the Kingdom”. (Luke 4:43) As it was such good news he told his followers to pray “Let your Kingdom come”. (Matthew 6:10) This Kingdom, of which Jesus is King, is God’s government in heaven which is currently poised to take over the rulership of the entire earth. Very shortly, it will completely remove all human governments along with everyone who causes harm to others and to our beautiful planet. (Daniel 2:44; Proverbs 2:21, 22; Revelation 11:18) Jesus will undo all the harm that’s been done by greedy, selfish people and he will bring true peace and security to all mankind, and lovingly care for everyone’s needs. (Micah 4:4; Isaiah 65:21, 22) He will richly bless everyone who wants to live in peace with everybody else. Psalm 37; 10, 11 says, “Just a little while longer and the wicked will be no more; you will look at where they were, and they will not be there. But the meek will possess the earth, and they will find exquisite delight in the abundance of peace”. These wonderful changes are coming very soon!
On the one hand, at 5:08 , John Behr raises a most important point regarding habituation. This fits within Peirce's schemata regarding habituation & association. On the other hand, the question of heaven/hell remains unanswered. In light of this omission, here's my 2-cents.
Who remembers asking their parents where they came from? I do, & my parents responded, laughing, with "the moon". In our next life, we won't be any the wiser. We won't have any memory of this life, just as now, we don't remember our previous life. We won't even remember our name, our language or what sex we were. What *will* carry forward is the self, the "I am" & its baggage, accrued in this life, into the new karma. Karma is culture. Our parents are products of culture, & they are the gateway to it. Our personality will reincarnate into the karma of our choosing - the spectrum of heaven/ hell comprising culture.
The self is nonlocal across this living universe, & therefore untestable. Anybody who claims remembering a past life as a high priest in Machu Picchu is probably playing make-believe. How heavenly or hellish can your next culture be? Plenty of examples here, on Earth if you must know. Some places I would never want to be reborn into, ugh. Make your life choices accordingly, habituate the choices that will become your next heavenly culture or 3rd world hellhole.
This is my slightly more "scientific" take on heaven & hell. The classic choirs & angels playing trumpets upon fluffy white clouds in heaven, versus fire & brimstone & the gnashing of teeth in hell, do not fit comfortably into my schemata.
It's obvious to me that all of us can only find the answer to questions like this AFTER we die. I have always been of the belief in cause and affect. So if I die without saying I'm sorry for my mistakes, then I will probably get payback via post life karma. Cause and affect.
How he figure out into God mind about hell and Haven? This guys are arrogante completely. He shows God as rambling gibberich.
Kindly repeat that in ENGLISH, Miss.☝️
Incidentally, Slave, are you VEGAN? 🌱
It’s an illness of ego on one end predating on the helpless credulity of the other.
Our loving God has told us everything we need to know in the Bible. Unfortunately, the so-called Christian religions don’t teach what the Bible says. The hellfire doctrine is not a Bible teaching. It originated in the ancient civilizations of Babylon, Assyria, and Egypt and was adopted by a number of the churches. In the opening verse of the Bible, Genesis 1:1 says “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth”. Psalm 115:16 says, “As for the heavens, they belong to God, but the earth he has given to the sons of men”. God created the earth and all life on it for our enjoyment as he intended the earth to be our permanent home. He did not create humans to live in heaven. He has a wonderful purpose for us and the earth and very soon now he will realize that purpose and remove all our problems along with everyone who causes them. Psalm 37:10, 11 says, “Just a little while longer and the wicked will be no more; you will look at where they were, and they will not be there. But the meek will possess the earth, and they will find exquisite delight in the abundance of peace”.
English please.
@@100percentSNAFU good manners back please
Closer to fantasy/
While I enjoy Closer to the Truth episodes, I'm surprised that this is a topic of discussion. If Robert truly doesn't know, John doesn't know either. Why ask this of a priest? It's a gotcha question no matter how he answers.
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He dodged that question like the plague, as any wise philosopher would
I sure hope so. I’d hate to think there’s no consequences in this life or after for the people who’ve worked to hard to ruin the world and everything in it. It’d be a shame if they got away with in this life and the next.
I can see how that could be comforting, but on the other hand it also leads people to become complacent about avoidable suffering we see around us. An extreme case was the way Mother Theresa would not allow those under her care to be administered analgesics, because she felt that their suffering was “part of God’s plan”. If there is a heaven or hell, where do you think she belongs?
Are you a THEIST? 🤔
If so, what are the reasons for your BELIEF in God? 🤓
@@simonhibbs887
She was a LOOSE woman. ☝️
The lust for vengeance is at the heart of a lot of believer’s conviction. You’re like cosmic Karens, perpetually aggrieved, demanding to speak to the great manager in the sky to right the wrongs of the world. What’s ironic about all the supernatural window dressing of all this is how patently human a place it stems from.
Your reasoning is emotion based and that’s your problem
Avoiding the question
A man goes to hell and is confronted by the devil, and the devil says "I will give you one opportunity to save your soul from eternal damnation. To do so, you must stump me with a question I cannot answer or a task I cannot perform". The man, puzzled by this offer, starts racking his brain trying to think of something clever with which to trick the devil. While in his deep thought, he inadvertently lets out a loud fart. He smiles, looks at the devil, and says "Catch it and paint it green" 😂😂😂
The answer is no.
Good Girl! 👌
Incidentally, Slave, are you VEGAN? 🌱
Thank you for that insightful comment. It really makes the comments rewarding and heightens the overall discussion.
The answer is yes. The One Who has been there and back, the One Whose life is the most influential in the long history of the cosmos, the One Whose teaching is the bedrock of our culture, reveals to the world that our lives extend beyond death, and our response in this life to the revelation of the God of love and truth will determine our experience of love, relationship, and truth or darkness, deception, and isolation in the future. This is the word of the One through Whom God has graciously spoken to us all. The nature of the speaking to us is invitation! Gracious invitation to come in and rejoice. The invitation to all! Our lives matter and have meaning both in this age and beyond this present age… into God’s future age to come. This much is certain. The details are unknown, as Paul says in 1 Corinthians 13, now we see through a glass darkly.
Grace and peace to all.
Scholars, Theologians, Philosophers, and Scientists have spent millennia searching fo an answer, but all is in vain because "AmaymonF" has the answer. We are all so fortunate to have been graced with your infinite wisdom.
@@100percentSNAFU, are you a THEIST? 🤔
If so, what are the reasons for your BELIEF in God? 🤓
Wow he doesn’t answer the question!! So irritating if you ask me
Yes. He is embarrassed.
What a cop out. Very disappointing.
Yes. Death, judgment, Heaven or Hell.
You absolutely do not have to contemplate how you are going to die.
Your very thought to even come to this opinion is already a contemplation on it, and you have decided to focus on life even though death is ultimately everyone's destination.
After listening to this man speak with such passion and conviction about something that is fundamentally unknowable, it strikes me that his message is false hope, pure and simple. At the end of the day, belief without evidence is as likely to be false as it is to be true. Wouldn't it be better to use your resources on something knowable?
As likely? 😂
Many people are unaware that our questions about life and death, heaven and hell, the purpose of life, and so on, are answered by our Creator in the Bible. The problem is that the so-called Christian religions who claim to believe the Bible actually teach things which aren’t Bible teachings at all, for example the hellfire doctrine. This man-made teaching originated in the ancient civilizations of Babylon, Assyria, and Egypt, and was later adopted by different religions/churches. The word ‘hell’ found in some Bible translations is an incorrect translation of the Hebrew word Sheol and the Greek word Hades, both of which mean the grave. Unfortunately, some translators did this to try to make the Bible fit their erroneous beliefs, but their error is easily discovered when reading verses like those at Acts 2:27, 31 where it says that after his death Jesus was in Hades, the grave, until God resurrected him. Of course, it’s absurd to say that Jesus was suffering in a burning hell. He was simply dead in the grave. The Bible is very clear on what happens to us when we die - we cease to exist. This is shown by God’s words to Adam when sentencing him for disobedience. At Genesis 3:19 God said to Adam, “In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return”. Before he was created Adam didn’t exist and when he died he no longer existed. This is in harmony with other scriptures such as Ecclesiastes 9:5 which says, “For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing at all”. Sadly, the churches are so busy teaching their false doctrines that they completely fail to tell people the wonderful good news that’s in the Bible. Very soon our Creator is going to make drastic changes on the earth to remove all our problems and give us a wonderful future. Psalm 37:10, 11 says, “Just a little while longer and the wicked will be no more; you will look at where they were, and they will not be there. But the meek will possess the earth, and they will find exquisite delight in the abundance of peace”.
@@sandradixon6205 I agree that much of the bible was influenced by other Middle Eastern religions, in particular Zoroastrianism. Were even told that various Persian kings were inspired by god to send administrators to rebuild the temple, and basically reform Judaism. The lists of clean and unclean animals, edicts against inter faith marriages, at least one holiday, and doctrines concerning a day of judgement, resurrection of the body and such are all copy pasted from Zoroastrianism. However this is true of Genesis as well, it’s largely Babylonian mythology fan fiction. How do you pick out the ‘real’ teachings from the fake bits? Aren’t you just picking and choosing the bits that happen to appeal to you most? As I pointed out those prophecies of drastic changes that are coming are largely influenced by the apocalyptic literature of Zoroastrianism.
@@simonhibbs887 The complete Bible was written over a period of around 1,600 years. Forty different men who lived in different time periods and who were from different backgrounds were inspired by God to write different parts of it. Most of these writers never met one another, yet the Bible has one theme and all its parts are harmonious. This is the strongest evidence of divine inspiration. I have personally been studying the Bible in depth for more than 48 years, and continue to do so. Whichever field you look at, history, geography, science, archaeology and so on, the Bible is 100% accurate. The prophecies in the Bible have all been fulfilled 100% down to the last detail. Some of them were foretold hundreds or even thousands of years in advance. No human could have foretold those things. Also, the Bible speaks very accurately about things which humans only discovered centuries later. For example, a theory written after the Bible was completed said that the universe emerged from a cosmic egg and that the earth was supported by various creatures. In contrast, about the year 1473 B.C. Moses wrote that the earth was suspended upon nothing, and around the year 732 B.C. the prophet Isaiah wrote that the earth is a sphere. These Bible writers contradicted ideas that were popular at the time. It was some 200 years after Isaiah that the Greek philosopher Pythagoras proposed that the earth is a sphere, and more than 3,000 years passed from Moses’ writing until scientists such as Isaac Newton realized that the earth seemed to hang upon nothing. The water cycle was accurately described in the Bible almost 2,600 years before it was “discovered” by a French naturalist. Quarantine for sick people was included in the Law God gave to Israel through Moses around 1512 B.C., but it wasn’t “discovered” and practiced by humans until 1348, about 2,860 years later. Only God could have known those things at the time they were written. These are just a tiny fraction of the proofs that the Bible is true and originates from God. The Bible is God’s message to humans, and due to its importance he has preserved its integrity and not let it be corrupted or contaminated by pagan teachings. It’s the religions and the churches that are contaminated by those things, not the Bible.
But what is knowable? Religion, philosophy, nor science have yet to come up with an answer to the big questions of existence and the origin of the universe. And anyone who would quickly dismiss religion or philosophy in favor of science keep in mind it is openly admitted that we absolutely should have the means today with our advances in organic sciences to recreate life from scratch in a lab...but we can't. This tells me any scientific theory over the origin of life is as much a shot in the dark as religion or philosophy. We don't know and we're never going to in this existence. If there is something beyond, maybe then.
Nakon fizičke smrti prestati če mu raditi mozak. Što če vjerovatno imati drastičnog utjecaja na sposobnost izvršavanja računalnih operacija.
Zato bi bilo najbolje da se ne veže za materijalne stvari, jer če ih teško pronači. Ni uz upotrebu bicikla. Ma ni automobil mu neče pomoči, a kamoli bicikl.
Wow, he's annoying. Right or wrong; just answer the question & say what you think.
Have you heard the one about the new guy in hell talking to a devil buy the coffee machine ???? Maybe i can strike up a relationship with the prince of darkness as i burn for all eternity. Wait a minute. The gremlin is asking me if i prefer smoking or non-smoking.
He could be clearer that there are two modes of eschatological joy and suffering. The first mode of suffering in which people cling to their illusions. This being an ongoing choice which itself is part of the illusion. Only some people experience this mode, this corresponding to the qualified dualism of the New Testament. The second mode is a sense of profound loss at what we could have become, had we not persisted in our delusions. This is experienced by all to varying degrees, no dualism about it. But for those who understand it, it is a joyful suffering (eg thief on the cross,) because it is received with a sense of purpose and trust. The first is temporary (because our created responsibility is to be saved, and this responsibility must be made complete,) the second is permanent (hence the permanence of nt judgment language.) We may postulate a hindsight “life review” type of consciousness in our bodiless state, followed by a consummate sense of “Monday morning reality-shock” loss upon resurrection. John behr knows and understands all this, but he lowers himself too far for an intelligent audience. This may be because he is too used to answering silly questions that he doesn’t quite raise his game enough for intelligent ones.
The karmic payback for what the likes of Stalin and Hitler have done cannot be accomplished in this life. I like believing there will be a Hell for them.
Ooooh , heaven is a place on 🌎
This
Heaven and hell are not geographical, they are psychological, they are your psychology. And this is not a question to be decided on the day of judgment. The human mind is so clever: in avoiding, in escaping, Christians, Mohammedans and Jews have created a concept of the last day when everybody is to be judged -- you will be taken out of your grave and judged. Those who have followed Jesus, who have been good, who have believed, will go to heaven; those who have misbehaved, who have not followed Jesus, who have not been to church, will be thrown into hell. Christian hell is one of the most ridiculous things. It is eternal, there is no end to it. This seems injustice, sheer injustice; whatsoever sin you have committed no punishment which is eternal can be just. Bertrand Russell somewhere has joked, "If I calculate all my sins, sins that I have committed and sins that I have not committed, only brooded over -- if even they are included -- the hardest judge can't send me to jail for more than four years. And Christianity sends you to hell forever."
Osho , from the book , 'A Bird on the Wing'
At the root of the problem is the fact that almost every one of the tens of thousands of religions teach man-made doctrines which are opposed to God’s clear teachings in the Bible. Sadly, both God and the Bible are maligned because the so-called Christian religions who claim to worship God and teach the Bible don’t do that at all. They are like the religious leaders of Jesus’ day to whom he said, “You hypocrites, Isaiah aptly prophesied about you when he said: ‘This people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far removed from me. It is in vain that they keep worshipping me, for they teach commands of men as doctrines”. (Matthew 15:7-9) The hellfire doctrine is not a Bible teaching. It originated in ancient Babylon, Assyria, and Egypt and was later adopted by some religions. I agree with you that eternal suffering would be completely unjust. God is a God of love and justice, and he would never inflict torture that any human with any measure of decency would find unjust and revolting. (1 John 4:8; Deuteronomy 32:4) Our loving Creator has a wonderful purpose for the earth and mankind and very shortly he’s going to realize that purpose and bring about true peace and security earthwide. (Micah 4:4) Everyone who wants to live in peace and harmony with others will experience untold blessings. (Isaiah 65:21, 22; Revelation 21:4) Psalm 37:10, 11 says, “Just a little while longer and the wicked will be no more; you will look at where they were, and they will not be there. But the meek will possess the earth, and they will find exquisite delight in the abundance of peace”. These wonderful changes are coming very soon!
@@sandradixon6205Sometimes I think about what it would have been like if Jesus was here today instead of 2000 years ago. I don't think it would be much different. The leaders of today would react similarly. He would be a threat to them as well and they would also have him executed. We really haven't improved any, have we?
Very weak theology in the video. The answer is very simple: this is a PROBATION LIFE. If you fail the examination you will be discarded. If you are discarded, then you will land to the discarded people, with the scum guys. Now people is mixed up, in the hell only the scum guys are present, they will be your ONLY companionship. That is hell: living with them forever.
Cool story, any proof?
@@TurinTuramber
I don't have any proof. However at least it's "cool", i.e. it MAKES SENSE. When you make the first step to propose a theory, that theory should at least be sensical That story logically derives from the scriptures: "behave yourself", else you will land to hell.
@@claudiozanella256 Cool story just means you have a vivid imagination. Making suppositions about an afterlife and using scripture as the foundation is problematic for an honest thinking person.
@@TurinTuramber
Yes, I agree. Yet that sensical hypothesis exists, with a reasonable probability to be true (five percent?). I got more information that strongly support it but unfortunately I cannot share it.
And the idea of hell not benign. I have seen good people, say it to the other person with straight face that they will go to hell because the other person is from a different or no religious tradition. Hell is supposed to be a place with fire, and the person is sent there for an infinite time period. What can we call that? recursive?
The teaching of Hellfire originated in the ancient civilizations of Babylon, Assyria, and Egypt. It was later adopted by different religions and churches but it isn’t a Bible teaching. The Bible helps us to understand how loving God is and that he would never inflict torture that even humans with any measure of decency find revolting. (1 John 4:8) It’s very sad that there’s so much hatred in the world but this hatred and many other bad things are about to come to an end. Our Creator has both the desire and the power to completely remove all the problems currently facing mankind. Most people are completely unaware that God has a government in heaven, his Kingdom, which will very shortly take over the rulership of the entire earth and rule with justice and love. (Luke 4:43; Matthew 6:10; Daniel 2:44; Proverbs 2:21, 22) Everyone will be able to live in true peace and security and have all of their needs lovingly cared for. Micah 4:4; Isaiah 65:21, 22) A wonderful future awaits those who want to live in peace and harmony with others. Psalm 37:10, 11 says, “Just a little while longer and the wicked will be no more; you will look at where they were, and they will not be there. But the meek will possess the earth, and they will find exquisite delight in the abundance of peace”.
Anyone who believes that anyone else from a different religion will automatically go to hell is either not true to themselves and their religion, or just an idiot. Most mainstream religions are all just different viewpoints on the same ultimate foundation. Sure, there's some wacky stuff out there too, but I am talking the majority of those who practice a major world religion. This is why I don't practice. I believe, but I can't accept a God who would punish people for believing one story over another. That's nonsensical and serves no purpose. No religion out there just totally hits the nail on the head. It can't. But you can still believe in a Creator based on logic and even science, you don't need to follow one particular story over another.
Yes! But only right here on Earth. Not in some fantasy realm.
I'm one of those evangelical Christians. But I don't believe in the traditional view of hell as a place of eternal torment. Rather, I believe that the Bible teaches that hell is the place where God will destroy both the bodies and souls of the unrighteous (Matthew 10:28). Unbelievers will perish and not have eternal life (John 3:16). In this 10-minute video, I share a brief summary of the biblical evidence that leads me to believe that only some people will live forever, while others will be annihilated on the day of judgment: ruclips.net/video/yZpjs74uQ0s/видео.html
🧐To me a perplexing confusing unanswered Question 🤔👀
Unfortunately, none of the clergy can answer this question correctly, if at all, because they don’t teach the truth from the Bible. Their teaching about hell being a place of fiery torment isn’t true at all. It isn’t in the Bible. God is a God of love and would never inflict torture that even humans with any measure of decency find revolting. (1 John 4:8) The hellfire doctrine originated in ancient Babylon, Assyria, and Egypt and was later adopted by different religions and churches. The first verse of the Bible says, “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth”. At Psalm 115:16 it says that "the heavens belong to God, but the earth he has given to the sons of men". We were created to live on earth not in heaven. God knew that we would have questions about life and death so he lovingly provided the answers in the Bible. When sentencing the first man Adam, God said to him, “In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return”. (Genesis 3:19) Before Adam was created he didn’t exist so when he died he no longer existed. The Bible doesn’t teach that we have something inside us that separates from us at death and goes somewhere else. That is another pagan teaching adopted by the churches. The Bible says at Ecclesiastes 9:5, “For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing at all”. Death was never part of God’s original purpose for humans and he will very shortly make some drastic changes on the earth to fulfill his purpose. This includes a wonderful hope for our loved ones who have died.
If there is no heaven then there is no hell.
If there is no beauty then there is no ugliness.
The universe exists in opposites; positive and negative forces.
Every action has an opposite and equal reaction. Every cause has an effect. Every force has a counterforce. These are all scientific absolutes. So what you say makes sense in that it follows these rules. And because these are scientific truths, there must be a force making it all happen and a counter to that force.
Lol! WHAT happens AFTER death. That's THE question. Answer it! 😂😂😂😂
The current evidence shows when people die thier consciousness stops
@@Quwucuqin Yes. Consciousness arises from our own thoughts from our brains using our language.
@@ingenuity296 language has nothing to do with mere consciousness
@@Quwucuqin it has
@@ingenuity296 no it doesn't what you are referring to is thought organization which isn't necessary need for pre linguistic consiciouness which is part of consciousness where language plays a role in thought organization which without it conscious beings can perform non verbal thought
There are states of being that are hellish and heavenly, but they are all temporary. There are no eternal heavens or hells and Christianity is especially very badly mistaken about the nature of them.
The problem with “Christianity” is that it has adopted many pagan teachings so it badly misrepresents God and the Bible. The churches have turned many people away from God and the Bible. The hellfire doctrine is NOT a Bible teaching. It originates from ancient Babylon, Assyria, and Egypt and it was later adopted by different religions and churches. God is so loving, kind, merciful, and just, so he hates religions which teach that he’s cruel, unloving, and unjust. (1 John 4:8; Deuteronomy 32:4) Exodus 34:6 says that he’s “a God merciful and gracious, slow to anger and abundant in loving-kindness and truth”. The religious leaders today are just like those in Jesus’ day, to whom he said, “You hypocrites, Isaiah aptly prophesied about you when he said: ‘This people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far removed from me. It is in vain that they keep worshipping me, for they teach commands of men as doctrines”. (Matthew 15:7-9) Very soon God is going to take action to destroy all the religions that teach lies about him. The Bible says that it will happen suddenly and unexpectedly. (1 Thessalonians 5:2, 3) Soon after that God will remove all human governments along with everyone causing pain and suffering for others. Proverbs 2:21, 22 say, “For only the upright will reside in the earth and the blameless will remain in it. As for the wicked, they will be cut off from the earth, and the treacherous will be torn away from it”. God has a wonderful future in store for everyone who wants to live in peace and harmony with others. (Revelation 21:4)
@@sandradixon6205Very well stated. And hence why I am a spiritual person but not religious. God is good. We are not. Religion is a man made construct, so it by default must be flawed.
We live in Hell. What happens after this can only be Heaven.
I agree that the world is in a terrible mess. World leaders appear to be totally incapable of sorting out any of the serious problems threatening mankind. With each passing day the situation just gets worse. The good news is that very shortly our Creator is going to rescue us and give people the opportunity to live in true peace and security and happiness on a cleansed earth. (Micah 4:3, 4) His righteous and just heavenly Kingdom government is currently poised to take over the rulership of the entire earth. (Luke 4:43; Matthew 6:10) It will remove all human governments together with everyone who causes harm to others and to our beautiful planet. (Daniel 2:44; Proverbs 2:21, 22; Revelation 11:18) It will undo all the harm that’s been done by selfish, greedy, corrupt people, and will lovingly provide for everyone’s individual needs. (Isaiah 65:21, 22) A wonderful future lies just ahead!
@@sandradixon6205I hope you're right, because we as humans just seem to keep regressing. Modern people think they are enlightened and fair and just, but we're actually worse than the ancients ever were, we are just more passive about it. At least they had family and community. Those things barely exist now.
Heaven? Yes definitely, its existence is obviously true.
Hell? No, that extremely far fetched.
Only in the mind
"If you're a good boy you go to a city of GOLD to be with the Lord yay!, but if you're a bad boy you go to a place of FIRE for all eternity. We promise this was not made up by humans to control your actions." Who fell for it
an exercise in gullibility
the real question is who fell for your sarcasm... just because you were able to phrase something in a way that makes it appear trivial doesn't mean its actually trivial. there is much to this , much to think about. much to study....
@@MATHBOSS287 Here's the real question: What rational justification can you provide for anyone to conclude that some omnipotent being exists?
@@Akira-jd2zr have you been to college? study anything biology , maths , anything.... the more you get deep in studying any field the more you will believe that someone has to have designed all this to perfectly suit us the way it does
@@MATHBOSS287 that's it? That's your justification? No actual evidence? Just it seems that way?
I hold multiple degrees in science including a doctorate. No where in any science is there an indication of an omnipotent being. If you believe "someone has to have designed all this to perfectly suit us", then you should look up the puddle analogy and maybe you will see how your reasoning has failed. Plus, how is everything perfectly suited to us when 99% of the universe is hostile to humans? We can only live on certain parts of this one planet because we evolved to fit this planet. That's how evolution works. To deny this is to deny science.
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." --Stephen Hawking
One word; no
Do you been there..
I bean there almost constantly. That's where i roast my coffee beans. Sometimes in hell. Sometimes in heaven for that heavenly aroma.
Heaven and hell exist, and according to Book of Revelation there will be a new earth, so that will exist as well.
Billions of good people won't go to heaven.
We haven't the faintest idea of what happens after death but for some of us who seem to be strongly propelled by a deeply personal 'faith', a new dimention of reality is revealed through a mixture of experiences, some good and revelatory or painful and traumatic . Faith, like love, deepens the reality we experience and may add meaning to it. Death, when seen through this deeply mysterious thing we call 'faith', often tends to become another spiritual dimention of reality rather than just its end. Jesus story is a clear example of this.
In the Bible our loving God has provided the answers to our questions about life and death. He tells us where we came from, why we’re here, what the purpose of life is, why we grow old and die, what happens to us when we die, just to mention a few. The problem is that the so-called Christian religions don’t teach the truth from the Bible. Instead, they teach the doctrines of their religion which are human ideas completely unrelated to the Bible. For example, the word ‘hell’ is an incorrect translation of the Hebrew word Sheol and the Greek word Hades, which both mean the Grave. Acts 2:24-27, 31 shows that Jesus was in Hades and then God resurrected him. Jesus was simply in the grave not a place where wicked people are tortured. Sadly, some Bible translators have mistranslated Hades as ‘hell’ to fit their own non-biblical beliefs. The Bible is very clear about what happens when we die. When sentencing Adam for his disobedience God said to him, “In the sweat of your face you will eat bread, until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return”. (Genesis 3:19) Before Adam was created he didn’t exist, and when he died he returned to non-existence. Ecclesiastes 9:5, 10 says, “For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing at all. Whatever your hand finds to do, do with all your might, for there is no work nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom in the Grave, where you are going”. However, our loving Creator has a wonderful purpose for mankind and our beautiful earth and very soon he’s going to make drastic changes in order to fulfill that purpose. Psalm 37:10, 11 says, “Just a little while longer and the wicked will be no more; you will look at where they were, and they will not be there. But the meek will possess the earth, and they will find exquisite delight in the abundance of peace”. These wonderful changes are coming very soon!
....there is what the Bible teaches about heaven and hell, what tradition teaches, and what modern society coerces; instead of saying "I don't know for certain." he "tap danced" around his personal belief that coincides with modern sensibilities. There are several "heavens" which does the "spirit" of the human goes is not specific, nor the "hell" where the flame is not abated nor the worm dies, and is the ultimate abode for Satan and his angels/demons, but the Bible teaches that God is the god of the living and not the dead;......accept the life found in the sacrifice of Christ, anything else is uncertain.
The Hellfire doctrine originated in ancient Babylon, Assyria, and Egypt and was later adopted by different religions and churches. It is not a Bible teaching. 1 John 4:8 says that God is love. Would a God of love inflict torture that even humans with any measure of decency find revolting? Surely not! In the verses you mentioned at Mark 9:43-48 Jesus used Gehenna, Jerusalem’s rubbish dump, where everything was completely destroyed by fire, to help his listeners understand what he meant. It’s true that Revelation 20:10 says that the Devil was hurled into the lake of fire and sulfur, but this is symbolic of everlasting destruction, as the rest of the verse makes clear. A powerful spirit creature cannot literally be burned by fire. Verse 14 says that also death and the Grave were hurled into the lake of fire. Neither of those things can be literally burned, again showing that the lake of fire is symbolic. The word “hell” erroneously appears in some Bible translations because a few translators wanted to change the wording to fit in with their false belief of hellfire. They mistranslated the Hebrew word Sheol and the Greek word Hades, both of which simply mean the Grave. To show that this is the correct meaning, at Acts 2:31 it speaks about Jesus not being left in the Grave, Hades. This verse in the King James Bible says that Jesus wasn’t left in hell. Obviously, Jesus wouldn’t have been in a place of fiery torment. He was simply dead in the Grave until as verse 32 says, God resurrected him. The belief that a spirit inside of us that goes somewhere after death, is not a Bible teaching either. Like hellfire, it’s a pagan belief that was adopted by different religions and churches that have misled people into thinking that it’s in the Bible. It’s sad that people don’t study the Bible for themselves so that they can clearly see what is true and what is false. With regard to heaven, Psalms 115:16 says that the heavens belong to God, but the earth he has given to the sons of men. His original purpose was, and still is, for humans to live forever on earth. At Matthew 5:5 Jesus said, “Happy are the mild-tempered, since they will inherit the earth”. Also, Psalm 37:10, 11 says, “Just a little while longer and the wicked will be no more; you will look at where they were, and they will not be there. But the meek will possess the earth, and they will find exquisite delight in the abundance of peace”. Very shortly, God is going to make drastic changes on the earth to fulfill his purpose for mankind.
@@sandradixon6205 I will not argue your points, but use scripture to illuminate my statement.
Revelation 20:11-15
New International Version
The Judgment of the Dead
11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.
Revelation 21:4-8
New International Version
4 ‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’[a] or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”
5 He who was seated on the throne said, “I am making everything new!” Then he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.”
6 He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give water without cost from the spring of the water of life. 7 Those who are victorious will inherit all this, and I will be their God and they will be my children. 8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars-they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”
In these teachings of scripture it does not specify eternal suffering but death as finality, I consign no one to "hell" neither is God but they are choosing to follow the enemy and his angels towards their punishment; Christ paid our penalty in full,....to the believer. PEACE be with you, and in all things be lead by the Holy Spirit. Seek God's face and he will reveal all.
Phew, Matthew 12:11 appears to claim that there are bicycles in heaven, it's when the blind lead the blind that's when it's ditch-kicker time
Look no further if you want to see a perfect example of someone who thinks he is the chosen one.
All the Heaven and Hells, Devils and Gods are in the hearts of man while we are alive. when you are dead you are dead.
why are you being an oxymoron about it?
there's no evidence that there's always something going on in the universe after you die,
you could be the only person in reality
because nobody can prove the existence of anything from the state of non existent
Thanks! Gravity equilibrium balance shift in Christ Jesus of Nazareth....
Neuroscience should look into if religion is a kind of mental illness or not.
Well, it's not. A vast majority of the world's population are religious.
Bicycle, bicycle, bicycle
I want to ride my bicycle, bicycle, bicycle
I want to ride my bicycle
I want to ride my bike
I want to ride my bicycle
I want to ride it where I like
They exist within deluded brains.
clickbait!
Till people are ready to be fooled, foolishness shall prevail....
Good Girl! 👌
Incidentally, Slave, are you VEGAN? 🌱
This was thoroughly uninformative.
'Life after death', the statment has no meaning.
😂 guy needs to get into politics.
To study the Bible doesn't require one to be christian. Asking Christians what biblical passages mean is no different than asking everybody what life is about and why we're here.
If one avoids scriptures because of their aversion to religion, then religion has served its purpose.
The purpose of religion is to persuade people not to read the bible?
@@simonhibbs887 no... some say church is a hospital for the spiritually ill. And because religion has showed you, simon, misunderstanding and hatred at your core, instead of maning up to this, you use religion as excuse to not seek truth. Like you say here, "religion is to persuade people not to read the bible." If this is what your mind fashioned up as a remark than you deserve such a mind, simon.
silly man talking about bicycles..
First like and reaction 😊
Good Girl! 👌
Incidentally, Slave, are you VEGAN? 🌱
Great example of how “not” to answer a question. 🤦♂️
Why not inrerview someone who tries to answer the question. The answer is a heaven..yes, read Frank Tipler. A hell..no
I, too, can ask questions that have no suggestion to actually need to be asked. Perhaps the universe is the inside of the anus of some cosmic being. Will the rectum ever expulse us?
The simple answer is - yes, because "heaven" and "hell" are mental concepts they really exist in the mind. Likewise, the simple answer is - No, if you are talking about physical, objective reality.
Also, lose the stupid beard.
The first one really doesn’t count though. The question would have to be something like ‘does the concept of heaven exist’, or ‘do descriptions or accounts of heaven exist’. It’s a surprisingly common fallacy though. I’m continuously surprised how many people don’t realise there is any distinction to be made between a description, or concept, and the thing being described or conceived of.
In the Zeus universe cluster , brain cells are heaven and large intestine cells are hell?
This universe is neutral as a skin cell？Maybe there are hell galaxies just in this universe?
You're off your nut & there's no doubt about that.
These bunch should be banned from any public discussion
Yes heaven and hell exists, but the mistake off the concept is: You can enter hell before death. That was, what very smart guy call Jesus meant. You can live your life and do actions that lead you into a good situation, and you can waste your life, land up in jail, be a liar and regrete at the end what you did.
TLDR: Heaven yes, purgatory, yes, hell, no. Makes some sense.
Makes zero sense. Just sounds like clumsy man-made wishfulfilment.
With all due respect, for some of us the question ranks at the level of asking if there is a Santa Claus.
😂😅😅😅😅
he other certainty is, the Cleveland Browns won't win Superbowl.
Opportunity to launder the idea? Missed it.
Rainbow picture the Over-Heaven,
Colors the Six Under-Heavens,
Orange is our daily Heaven,
at Night, We pass through
the Night-Heavens, (Deep-Sleep)
After leaving physical body permanent,
We pass through the same Heavens,
same time as our last age,
and We gets born back to the physical
Heaven.
So, We are always in Heaven,
the physical Heaven can be experienced as 'Hell',
and also the Corridor-Heaven, REM.
So, this is about Heaven in a Eternal Perspective.
Short told.
Jesus was sacrificed to a god of human sacrifice who fed on his suffering and agony. For this he gave some human beings life after death. Blood sacrifice sometimes achieved it's goal sometimes the god does not grant the favour. What happened immediately after Christ death that obviously shows us that ordinary people are actually saved. All I've heard is what is recognized as bu** shi*. What can I show an atheist because we may want to believe but what we need is knowledge without doubt. After 2 thousand years faith is stupid, knowledge is mandatory. Why has God never spoken to humanity not once, we have only people claiming God spoke to them. I'm 74 and all these people have been grifters (televangelist) and fools (looked just like Jesus). There seem to be a population of supernatural beings claiming to be God. No one has any idea how one can tell if it's God. As it's never discussed are all the clergy non believers trying not to be caught.
Only fact can be accepted if God is real. Stop supporting religion until it delivers. You've got a limited number of years to figure it out mistaken belief hides truth from you.
God knew that we would have many questions about life and death so he put the answers in the Bible. Genesis 1:1 tells us that in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Psalm 115:16 says, “As for the heavens, they belong to God, but the earth he has given to the sons of men”. God originally intended for humans to live forever on earth in perfect health and happiness. (Genesis 1:28) The only mention of death was in connection with disobedience. (Genesis 2:16, 17) So, if Adam and Eve hadn’t disobeyed God, they wouldn’t have died. When sentencing Adam for his disobedience God said to him, “In the sweat of your face you will eat bread, until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return”. (Genesis 3:19) The same was true for Eve, so they gradually grew old and died. The Bible tells us that this is the reason all humans grow old and die. (Romans 5:12) The Bible clearly tells us at Ecclesiastes 9:5, 10 what happens to us when we die. It says, “For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing at all. Whatever your hand finds to do, do with all your might, for there is no work nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom in the Grave, where you are going”. The word Grave is here translated from the Hebrew word Sheol and in the part of the Bible originally written in Greek the word Grave is translated from the Greek word Hades. To confirm that Hades really does mean the Grave and not a burning place where people are tortured, Acts 24-27 says that God resurrected Jesus and didn’t leave him in Hades, the Grave. Verse 31 says the same thing. Sadly, some Bible translators have translated Sheol and Hades as hell to fit in with their pagan belief of hellfire. The truth of the Bible is simple and clear. The hellfire doctrine is not a Bible teaching. Besides that, the Bible tells us that God is love. (1 John 4:8) Would a God of love inflict torture that even humans with any measure of decency find revolting? Surely not! Also, our loving God tells us in the Bible about the wonderful future that he has in store for mankind on the earth, when no one will ever grow old and die. It will be realized very soon!
Your feet touch hell; thy head the heavens.
Israel - an egyptian term meaning: isis spirit, ra mind, El God.
Earth is complex, filled with quarrels, and we are slaves to the body - hell.
Thy mind can raise itself above the daily heartaches and contentions to a greater realization - liberation. The human being is consubstantial with the cosmos.
Buddha: desire leads to suffering
Hinduism: samsara; perpetual suffering.
Christ: nazarene, he who seperates himself from the group; walk the narrow way.
Jesus taught the philosophy of the Buddha. Buddha taught Brahmayana, the path to the absolute.
Hard to defend. That’s for sure.
No.
The global south and their stunted capacity to climb the socioeconomic ladder upon being kept underdeveloped and thus indebted..
Dialectical materialism is the process of rectifying the disparity symbolized by the angel Gabriel
Gabriel rings the dinner bell calling all Gods people home to the 1st world..
Blows the horn as the master of dialectics
Has dialectic materialism ever raised anyone but party elites up from anything?
@@simonhibbs887
Thats a question as to whether one would prefer a 3rd world standard of living or what China or Russia achieved..
I assure you that most in the 3rd world would prefer what Russia and China achieved
@@Normal-u5w The Soviet Union economy collapsed. Russia stabilised through having vast fossil fuel deposits that could be stolen by the political elite. China developed through adopting a super extreme version of capitalism, and then siphoned off from that to the party elite.
LatAm, Brazil, Arab nations, Iran are all coming up. Israel and USA are Plan B'ing away from Iran, BRICS and China/Russia/Iran triad are much more of a threat than Saddam ever was. I think you have it backwards, the 3rd world is catching up - the very developed nations like USA have stopped taking care of their own, and have traded capitalism for its predecessor feudalism. The 1st world nations are doing nothing, just slowly unwinding and becoming increasingly owned by media companies.
P1) If the evidence equally supports physicalism and idealism, then it's not the case that in light of the evidence it's rational to prefer physicalism over idealism. (P→¬Q)
P2) If it's not the case that the evidence equally supports physicalism and idealism, then you need to show the evidence doesn't equally supports physicalism and idealism. (¬P→R)
C) Therefore, either it's not the case that in light of the evidence it's rational to prefer physicalism over idealism, or you need to show the evidence doesn't equally supports physicalism and idealism. (∴¬Q∨R)
come say this argument isn't valid either, professor! hahahaha
I’m not sure P1 is the case though, it depends what we mean by evidence supporting something. Not having proof of physicalism or proof of idealism doesn’t mean the evidence for one can’t be more or less strong than that for the other. Personally I think the evidence for physicalism is stronger. Kastrup thinks the evidence for idealism is stronger. Suppose one of us is correct and made an accurate assessment of the evidence and arguments? Would you say that it was not rational for that person to hold the belief they did?
Even for the person that was wrong, if they had good reasons for making the assessment they did based on their state of knowledge, their belief might still be rational. Perfectly rational people can still be wrong.
@@simonhibbs887 i just take P1 to be tautologous (and hence necessarily true). The argument is overly simplified for readabilty. What i really mean in P1 is
If it's not the case that the evidence supports physicalism but doesn’t support or doesn't equally support any thesis incompatible with physicalism then it's not the case that in light of the evidence it's rational to prefer physicalism over any thesis incompatible with physicalism.
This statement has be true because
in light of the evidence it's rational to prefer physicalism over any thesis incompatible with physicalism if and only if the evidence supports physicalism but doesn't support or doesnt equally support any thesis incompatible with physicalism.
"If and only if" is a double implication and means theyre the same thing or equivalent.
@@highvalence7649 Right, but that is only true for a person that thinks the evidence is equally balanced in that way. To those people, who have no reason to pick one or the other, they should not do so. However if Kastrup thinks the evidence for idealism is stronger then it’s rational for him to prefer idealism. Likewise for someone who thinks the evidence is stronger for physicalism to prefer physicalism. Thats true even if the evidence is actually stronger the other way, but they are not aware of it.
This is why even though I’m a physicalist, and an atheist, I don’t think idealists and theists are necessarily irrational.
@@simonhibbs887 i agreed with everything you said there except i didn't understand what your meant is true for a person Who thinks the evidence is equally balanced in that way?