@@whomidity3953 Consider Pikes and 3Sixty if you want something that's closer to a Brompton (with internal hub gearing and rim brakes), or Crius, Litepro, Banian, and Mint if you want external gearing (9-speed rear derailleur) and disc brakes.
Agree. Likewise to Hito, 3Sixty, Pikes, Royale, Crius, Mint, Aleoca, Trifold, Rifle, Litepro, Alps, Golden, United, Weekeight, Dahon, Eithereal, Rifle, Liaoge666. All are B lookalike. Thank you Bromtom.
Don’t forget Ruhm. What I find funny is people with B who “upgrade” their parts with Ruhm aftermarket parts essentially making it a Ruhm with a brompton frame. It’s really a silly if you think about it. Ruhm is about 900usd. Cheapest B is about 1500usd. You can spend like 800usd to upgrade the wheelset derailleur and external gear. So it’s like spending 2300usd to get a 900 usd bike but it has the brompton branding and experience. I know that the B community is strong so it’s like an entry ticket to a club and events but you have to spend more. Also to add my friend bought an A line just so he can get the frame to fix his M6R which frame was rusting. His new A frame also start to rust less than a year and it’s not covered under Brompton 7 year warranty 😂 He refuses to buy a third party titanium frame which would probably solve his problem. So again what are you paying for ? It’s really like branding is so important or social pressure or the idea to look down on others. It’s artificial. Ask any B third party shops, they recommend to rethread the BB area because it’s not even. In the past it was. So the quality went down. I’ve seen people compare old brompton welding versus new. I suppose that’s an outcome of high demand during the pandemic. Reduce quality for more output. I don’t doubt brompton will have 7 speed in the future or maybe 9 speed. All the third party “clones” are more innovative with their designs. My friend just bought a Barbour. She’s into looks and she was like this is like a 200 dollar bike. I think she’s at least 800 more in modding the bike and replacing parts. It makes you wonder if Brompton should just sell the frame. Or better if they did collab projects and license their name to more innovative factories and get some of that profit 🤷🏻♂️
Agreed, after having Bromptons in China, Egypt, Hong Kong and USA, transport has been super smooth. I've had a Birdy, Tern Verge P10, Verge S8i and Stridas. Brompton's engineering definitely has the edge when considering all factors. May not be the lightest, or fastest, but overall, it does everything well!
No doubt the Brompton is an amazing folder, and I haven't seen anything that comes close to it in terms of folding size. However, I test ride a couple, and I couldn't get on with the ride experience. I ended up going for a slightly larger folder. It's not great to push around when folded, and it's generally easier to just unfold and wheel as a bike. However I've gone on 100km cycles on it, which i just couldn't contemplate on a Brompton.
@Petrelli on wheels I thought the Brompton steering was a bit "twitchy," at first... say, for about 15 minutes. Then I realised it could be made to feel normal by holding the grips by their ends, which I did for another 15 minutes... That was years back. Now I think of the Brompton's handling as "responsive"... a much more pleasant ride than my heavy electric bike, which seems lumbering by comparison. *So, am I a fan boy for the Brompton? You BET I bloody am!* And, the longer I have it, the more of a fan I am.. ... (well, except for the cost of tyres. I very much resent that I am charged twice the price for a tyre half the size, especially as I have to replace them twice as often. Yes, Brompton tyre costs are four times as much as a bike with full-sized wheels.)
Bromptons are bloody expensive but that's because they're good quality and handmade in the UK. They're not great value for money upfront but they'll last longer than most bikes at the same price point. As an added bonus, if you decide you don't want it any more then the resale value is way higher than most bikes because people *know* they're good.
No true. My experience with both systems of Brompton and Dahon, they are just as easy. The video was a little misleading, the Dahon system is with a magnetic latch to hold the two wheels (not demonstrated in this video!) parallel for pushing far more smoothly than the Brompton little rollers. When I pushed the Brompton system as he did, the suspension was very near to the ground, often dragging along. The only advantage for the Brompton system is the small folded size, otherwise this 40 year old design is aging, especially the screw locking mechanism and external cable routing.
I have 2. P Line is the only one of the two you can actually walk down a stairwell with in one hand without pressure on your arm unless you are a power builder. The P LINE weighs just under 10 kilos whereas my other Brompton, a 2018 6-speed Black edition is just under 12 kilos and is a difference on the lift when you have gotten used to the P Line version with 4 speeds. Of course the version you showed in the video is probably the titanium made sub-7k version which I have ridden and is exciting but out of my price ( as with most people, I imagine ) range. Apart from that, everything you say when comparing BROMPTONS to other folding bikes is absolutely spot on. There is nothing like a BROMPTON…Unless you consider a TERN or Hummingbird. Again, expensive.
Brompton is special. Design classic. The longer you have it, the more you realise how clever it is... it GAINS in owner satisfaction the same way a dishwasher doesn't.
Yes, the cleverness including the front fender bumping into the rear fender when folded, not able to turn when folded and all 4 wheels are on the ground, and heavens forbid if you accidentally lift it with seat post uncollapsed
@Steven Zephyc Your mudguards are clashing when folded? Weird? I don't know how you are doing that. They are side by side. Yes, the lowered seatpost serves to lock the bike for carrying. However, I regard that as a piece of clever design, not any kind of failure. With respect, if you forget to *engage* the clever lock that stops the bike infolding when you pick it up, isn't that rather _your_ failure?
@@effyleven i love my brompton too, but my C Line M6R really have mud guard of front wheel easily crash with my rear wheel in sitting position of the bike. yes i understand it is instructed to turn the handle bar away to avoid that, but folding and unfolding ten times a day do make me occasionally let the mud guard crashed with rear wheel. so it is partially chipped now
@Osmond Wong If you are truly folding and unfolding the bike ten times a day, and you STILL have not learned how to do it without risking damaging it, then obviously no amount of practice is going to help you get it right. All I can do is feel sorry for you!😢
@@effyleven the right hand side part of the front wheel mud guard is Already damaged. The perfect condition of the mud guard is not going to come back , even when i learn the correct way now.
Can I add this looks like an infomercial where the person is purposely clumsy 🤡 A bifold can be pushed with one hand if it folds equally in half. You just need to hold the seat with one hand and your palm facing up. Very easy to push. You never back up but rotate and always push forward. When in the mrt I guarantee those 20” wheels are gliding over the floor stumps for the handicap. While the B is jamming and bouncing around those floor pegs. There are strength and weeknese to all design and this video doesn’t demonstrate it without bias 😉
I just hate them saying that they're inivative. They don't. In fact they actively stop you being inovative 1. They refuse to make 20" wheel frame 2. They refuse to make frame for heavier people 2.1 They refuse to make frames for fatter hybrid tires 3. They cancel your warranty if you make modifications even from trusted manufacturers ( like kinetics ) 4. If you make modifications they won't service your bike in their store. 5.they don't like regular bike shops, they won't teach them how to service bromptons, so bike shops don't like repairing Bromptons.. meaning you have to go to brompton stores... that won't service your bike if you be creative or modify your Brompton the way you want it. 5. Their ebike conversions are ugly and suck . Hint put the battery on the frame or on a rear double rack, NOT in the bag we want to put our stuff in. + no torque sensor. + no 48v battery for options for larger riders 6. No belt drive alternative. ( why you like the chain grease bro) 7. Theres more but i'm tired now
Def the best fold, but my gods is it heavy. I dunno about you, but I'm not lugging 32+ lbs up and down stairs on top of my backpack. I wish they would make a cheap and cheerful aluminum with hydromolded tubing, those things are almost as sturdy as titanium thanks to the custom geometry, almost as lightweight, corrosion resistant, and 10x cheaper.
I have broomy and road bike, broomy normally when weather acting funny so I just jump with it on public transport without hassle. Brompton all the way.
A bit over priced and over rated in my opinion. So after considerable thoughtl I got a Dahon EEZZ instead. It has the same 16" wheels, similar weight or even lighter than some Brompton at 9.5kgs and 3x times less expensive. Unique folding mechanism so it does not look like a copy cat. Besides I am probably one of the handful owners in London so do get some looks! 😻😎
You can buy them way lighter for the price as well. I have a 451-wheel folder, with a drivetrain I upgraded to have a big and light chainring. I can lift it easily with one hand, no "pushing", I go faster than most full-sized bikes, and I negotiate bumps far better than a 16" wheel. (And the wheels are on quick releases, so the bike can still fit in a suitcase if I wanted to take it on a plane.)
I have both , Brompton and Clones. The original Bromptons are definitely much better in terms of build quality . And 3 folds are the best folding bikes for daily commuting with pubic transport. I’ve seen countless times 2 folds bring push to the train stations and looks comical it’s exactly like what this video mention
I think we need to stop normalizing and suggesting that stressful quick open & closing method, Brompton is a nice, fine bike. By not taking care of each component sooner or later a sure will mean a regret for owners/users.
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The best thing that happened to Brompton was their patent running out.
True! The Chinese Brompton copies have all the convenience that a Brompton has but without the price.
@@lnnthlcould you name a few for me, I'm interested in them but they're so damn expensive
@@whomidity3953 Consider Pikes and 3Sixty if you want something that's closer to a Brompton (with internal hub gearing and rim brakes), or Crius, Litepro, Banian, and Mint if you want external gearing (9-speed rear derailleur) and disc brakes.
@@whomidity3953 brompnot
@@pendayungunggul271 brompnot? 😭
Agree. Likewise to Hito, 3Sixty, Pikes, Royale, Crius, Mint, Aleoca, Trifold, Rifle, Litepro, Alps, Golden, United, Weekeight, Dahon, Eithereal, Rifle, Liaoge666. All are B lookalike. Thank you Bromtom.
Don’t forget Ruhm. What I find funny is people with B who “upgrade” their parts with Ruhm aftermarket parts essentially making it a Ruhm with a brompton frame. It’s really a silly if you think about it. Ruhm is about 900usd. Cheapest B is about 1500usd. You can spend like 800usd to upgrade the wheelset derailleur and external gear. So it’s like spending 2300usd to get a 900 usd bike but it has the brompton branding and experience. I know that the B community is strong so it’s like an entry ticket to a club and events but you have to spend more.
Also to add my friend bought an A line just so he can get the frame to fix his M6R which frame was rusting. His new A frame also start to rust less than a year and it’s not covered under Brompton 7 year warranty 😂 He refuses to buy a third party titanium frame which would probably solve his problem.
So again what are you paying for ? It’s really like branding is so important or social pressure or the idea to look down on others. It’s artificial. Ask any B third party shops, they recommend to rethread the BB area because it’s not even. In the past it was. So the quality went down. I’ve seen people compare old brompton welding versus new. I suppose that’s an outcome of high demand during the pandemic. Reduce quality for more output.
I don’t doubt brompton will have 7 speed in the future or maybe 9 speed. All the third party “clones” are more innovative with their designs.
My friend just bought a Barbour. She’s into looks and she was like this is like a 200 dollar bike. I think she’s at least 800 more in modding the bike and replacing parts. It makes you wonder if Brompton should just sell the frame. Or better if they did collab projects and license their name to more innovative factories and get some of that profit 🤷🏻♂️
Dahon system has even more brands. And Dahon has developed a few innovative folding systems over the decades, many have become the industry standards.
if you love B so much, please spell Brompton
The only problem with brompton is I can't afford it.
As a Brompton owner, 22ibs and 30 seconds to deploy.
i ride my dahon bike a lot than pushing, its more fast and comfortable
Love that unfold demo. Thank you 🥳🎶
True, but 20" wheels go over bumps
16"
Meh, 16" do too
@@mickejansson999not when you're pushing on Brompton's puny trolley wheels
@@IgnasPlunksnisnope. Bump absorption is inversely proportional to wheel size. 16” perform disproportionally far worse.
Funny, when I got a super-light "other" folding bike, I didn't have to "push" it around, because I could carry it easily with one hand lol.
Agreed, after having Bromptons in China, Egypt, Hong Kong and USA, transport has been super smooth. I've had a Birdy, Tern Verge P10, Verge S8i and Stridas. Brompton's engineering definitely has the edge when considering all factors. May not be the lightest, or fastest, but overall, it does everything well!
No doubt the Brompton is an amazing folder, and I haven't seen anything that comes close to it in terms of folding size. However, I test ride a couple, and I couldn't get on with the ride experience. I ended up going for a slightly larger folder. It's not great to push around when folded, and it's generally easier to just unfold and wheel as a bike. However I've gone on 100km cycles on it, which i just couldn't contemplate on a Brompton.
I have to say if you are used to the bigger wheels, the Brompton do few abit twitchy. I ride all sorts of bikes too.
@Petrelli on wheels I thought the Brompton steering was a bit "twitchy," at first... say, for about 15 minutes. Then I realised it could be made to feel normal by holding the grips by their ends, which I did for another 15 minutes...
That was years back. Now I think of the Brompton's handling as "responsive"... a much more pleasant ride than my heavy electric bike, which seems lumbering by comparison.
*So, am I a fan boy for the Brompton? You BET I bloody am!*
And, the longer I have it, the more of a fan I am..
... (well, except for the cost of tyres. I very much resent that I am charged twice the price for a tyre half the size, especially as I have to replace them twice as often. Yes, Brompton tyre costs are four times as much as a bike with full-sized wheels.)
I've done 100k and more on my Brompton, and last year switched the bars for something a lot wider and lower. It feels like a road bike now
Which 20 inch foldie did you have ?
@@sauravbasu8805 I have a bike called the "Fuji Origami".
Bromptons are bloody expensive but that's because they're good quality and handmade in the UK. They're not great value for money upfront but they'll last longer than most bikes at the same price point.
As an added bonus, if you decide you don't want it any more then the resale value is way higher than most bikes because people *know* they're good.
2 things wrong with Bromptons: 1. Inexplicably high price. 2. Sturmey Archer gearing.
Sir, you pro folder and unfolder ❤ i have giant chiron 2 i love it ❤❤❤
no bias at all
Buying 2 A lines in the near future! ❤❤
That sounds like some fun riding ahead. Cheers.
Get it!!!!!
I actually only use 1 hand to push my 2 fold folding bikes 🫤
No true. My experience with both systems of Brompton and Dahon, they are just as easy. The video was a little misleading, the Dahon system is with a magnetic latch to hold the two wheels (not demonstrated in this video!) parallel for pushing far more smoothly than the Brompton little rollers. When I pushed the Brompton system as he did, the suspension was very near to the ground, often dragging along. The only advantage for the Brompton system is the small folded size, otherwise this 40 year old design is aging, especially the screw locking mechanism and external cable routing.
Everything you said, except the external cable routing. That's literally just a fashion fad for people who don't like to maintain their own bikes.
There are some Taiwanese that are also very good. 2 tire sizes 16 or 20
Are there any other folding bikes that can be pushed around like the brampton? And also maybe have twenty inch wheels?
Do you buy brompton just to push only
How can you compare a trifold with a bifold bike in yr video. There are more than 20 other brands having the same trifold B design. Its equally good.
Do you know why the Btwin fold is so much better than the Brompton? Folding/unfolding speed and price.
Wow
Interesting that you installed some different wheels to push it while folded; what are those?
I have 2.
P Line is the only one of the two you can actually walk down a stairwell with in one hand without pressure on your arm unless you are a power builder.
The P LINE weighs just under 10 kilos whereas my other Brompton, a 2018 6-speed Black edition is just under 12 kilos and is a difference on the lift when you have gotten used to the P Line version with 4 speeds.
Of course the version you showed in the video is probably the titanium made sub-7k version which I have ridden and is exciting but out of my price ( as with most people, I imagine ) range.
Apart from that, everything you say when comparing BROMPTONS to other folding bikes is absolutely spot on.
There is nothing like a BROMPTON…Unless you consider a TERN or Hummingbird.
Again, expensive.
It better be @ 5 x the price of an actual good folding bike that also brings you to work & home...
Any new models coming out this year? Or a price drop? 😂
But is bloody expensive XD
This is more like tri fold versus bi fold.
Brompton is special. Design classic. The longer you have it, the more you realise how clever it is... it GAINS in owner satisfaction the same way a dishwasher doesn't.
Yes, the cleverness including the front fender bumping into the rear fender when folded, not able to turn when folded and all 4 wheels are on the ground, and heavens forbid if you accidentally lift it with seat post uncollapsed
@Steven Zephyc Your mudguards are clashing when folded? Weird? I don't know how you are doing that. They are side by side.
Yes, the lowered seatpost serves to lock the bike for carrying. However, I regard that as a piece of clever design, not any kind of failure. With respect, if you forget to *engage* the clever lock that stops the bike infolding when you pick it up, isn't that rather _your_ failure?
@@effyleven i love my brompton too, but my C Line M6R really have mud guard of front wheel easily crash with my rear wheel in sitting position of the bike. yes i understand it is instructed to turn the handle bar away to avoid that, but folding and unfolding ten times a day do make me occasionally let the mud guard crashed with rear wheel. so it is partially chipped now
@Osmond Wong If you are truly folding and unfolding the bike ten times a day, and you STILL have not learned how to do it without risking damaging it, then obviously no amount of practice is going to help you get it right. All I can do is feel sorry for you!😢
@@effyleven the right hand side part of the front wheel mud guard is Already damaged. The perfect condition of the mud guard is not going to come back , even when i learn the correct way now.
Can I add this looks like an infomercial where the person is purposely clumsy 🤡
A bifold can be pushed with one hand if it folds equally in half. You just need to hold the seat with one hand and your palm facing up.
Very easy to push. You never back up but rotate and always push forward.
When in the mrt I guarantee those 20” wheels are gliding over the floor stumps for the handicap. While the B is jamming and bouncing around those floor pegs.
There are strength and weeknese to all design and this video doesn’t demonstrate it without bias 😉
I just hate them saying that they're inivative. They don't. In fact they actively stop you being inovative
1. They refuse to make 20" wheel frame
2. They refuse to make frame for heavier people
2.1 They refuse to make frames for fatter hybrid tires
3. They cancel your warranty if you make modifications even from trusted manufacturers ( like kinetics )
4. If you make modifications they won't service your bike in their store.
5.they don't like regular bike shops, they won't teach them how to service bromptons, so bike shops don't like repairing Bromptons.. meaning you have to go to brompton stores... that won't service your bike if you be creative or modify your Brompton the way you want it.
5. Their ebike conversions are ugly and suck . Hint put the battery on the frame or on a rear double rack, NOT in the bag we want to put our stuff in. + no torque sensor. + no 48v battery for options for larger riders
6. No belt drive alternative. ( why you like the chain grease bro)
7. Theres more but i'm tired now
So get what you want and be happy?
you can buy 2 or 3 brompton clones for the price of 1 original brompton.
😂 i buy the clone for only $140.
@@bubuox8509Can you please name the company and model
Def the best fold, but my gods is it heavy. I dunno about you, but I'm not lugging 32+ lbs up and down stairs on top of my backpack.
I wish they would make a cheap and cheerful aluminum with hydromolded tubing, those things are almost as sturdy as titanium thanks to the custom geometry, almost as lightweight, corrosion resistant, and 10x cheaper.
I have broomy and road bike, broomy normally when weather acting funny so I just jump with it on public transport without hassle. Brompton all the way.
How about speed on such small wheels?
The other folding bikes are designed for car use
Get a Birdy and rewatch this video. 😜
そう思う❗
love my 3sixty haha
I prefer Helix, a 24 inches folding bike.
A bit over priced and over rated in my opinion. So after considerable thoughtl I got a Dahon EEZZ instead. It has the same 16" wheels, similar weight or even lighter than some Brompton at 9.5kgs and 3x times less expensive. Unique folding mechanism so it does not look like a copy cat. Besides I am probably one of the handful owners in London so do get some looks! 😻😎
As long as it works for you mate. After all it is the actual riding that counts. Keep it going.
Expensive
So the ease to push the bike around justifies the extra 1-2k for a folding bike vs other brands 😅😅😅
Who in the world push folding bikes with the handlebars?
Its also more expensive
And do you know why the “other” folding bikes are better then the Brompton, they are much cheaper then the Brompton
Exactly
You can buy them way lighter for the price as well. I have a 451-wheel folder, with a drivetrain I upgraded to have a big and light chainring.
I can lift it easily with one hand, no "pushing", I go faster than most full-sized bikes, and I negotiate bumps far better than a 16" wheel.
(And the wheels are on quick releases, so the bike can still fit in a suitcase if I wanted to take it on a plane.)
how about liaoge666
I have both , Brompton and Clones. The original Bromptons are definitely much better in terms of build quality . And 3 folds are the best folding bikes for daily commuting with pubic transport. I’ve seen countless times 2 folds bring push to the train stations and looks comical it’s exactly like what this video mention
wheels are too small. I'd always choose my tern verge again.
That is Avilable in india
And Brompton’s are also $2500+ way to expensive
That's fuckin scooter price!
Got mine a few weeks ago for $1600
@@jazzfan7491 only in Ohio
@@abc1234_5 I’m in California
Can a brompton ride smoothly on bumpy roads? Nah, but 20inch folding bikes can.
Folds in thirds not half
Never heard
i can buy an audi with same price
Hornback is the best folding cycle in the world
bullshit :D I own a brompton and dahon and dahon is so much simpler to push in front of you not to mention less hassle just to fold it in half
so I buy birdy R 20" 406 be better than brompton
So your much focus on how to fold it easily rather than the bike performance
I ride my bike more than pushing or carrying my bike. I can buy another bike to carry my other bike rather than spending so much money.
I am car free and when i travel i can just through a brompton into a bag and have it as checked luggage. Get to my destination and ride away.
但是，太鸡儿贵啦
Not really.
I think we need to stop normalizing and suggesting that stressful quick open & closing method, Brompton is a nice, fine bike. By not taking care of each component sooner or later a sure will mean a regret for owners/users.
לי יש הרבה יותר טוב ויותר הילוכים. Fnhon storm.לא אוהב ברומפטון.
its good that brompton doesnt own other stuffs n make it monopoly over priced. f brompton
Overprices? They manufacture in britan. They are certainly not overpriced