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"Of 13 characters, only 2 have survived" it's wrong cuz of 13 really survived Kevin, Hua and Griseo... And we could count Su (but it's complicated)... So yeah, but as much as I understand, everyone in ER died, cuz thay used safety protocol (or something like that)
The flamechasers were real people but the people in the Elysian realms were not. They were copies of the real flame chasers in a digital realm. The only surviving flame chasers are Griseo and hua. Kevin and su were alive but they died.
@@RandomDudeThatLovesAnimesshe was kinda the representative of origin, like the being responsible for creating everything, so she is like a part of all existence now, ascension you know
I wonder if he has a gf (DR MEI). Afterall the only reason he did all that in HI3 was because of his late gf. I really hope so because I kinda want a playable character with an official relationship status
@Shiyuuuuu same, but I doubt they'd give us a character in a romantic relationship, if Dr MEI exists I can imagine her and Kevin having alot of "and they were roommates" vibes.
Say my name when a tree susurrates Once and again telling a story lost in time The way it starts and the way it ends Never again making up stories in dismay With several starts, but just one end Ah, how I long to embrace The future breaking out of shades from the past Still ablaze Save your tears for the day so far away To irrigate the wilderness that’s still asleep In the world waiting to be lit To spread over the riverbeds, so dry and dead Let ships that ran aground re-launch their sails Ah, how I long to embrace The future breaking out of shades from the past Still ablaze Seeds bear new life when flowers dare to fade Petals linger about Awaiting one last dance Shaking off all the dust from the past New stories have yet to start
A not so Small detail but it's important to note that the flame chasers were in fact real people from the previous era, they all existed and all died long before the main character of that arc (raiden mei) encountered one of them...Kevin who introduced her to the sims of said flame chasers in the elysian realm. The sims cannot leave the realm but they all were essentially the exact same people as the originals. Like a save file so to speak...they were also tangible as far we knew so they're not just projections and that's why their characters were easy to get attached to since as long as ur within the location housing the elysian realm, they're effectively as real as the originals. Hoyo won't do that again tho cause unfortunately the new fanbase in HSR doesn't have the capacity to consume sooo much lore. So hoyo most likely won't go with a route that demands u getting attached to 13 characters only to watch most of em die twice while still being compelling and condensed.
Wait. We never knew who or what Kalpas in HI3 really was. Cause he was crazy powerful and certainly not human. If he's from HSR and somewhere in the story falls to Earth in the past that would explain a lot.
At least he acknowledged what Kevin really was, a true hero... So... The only trauma so far for him is... Project Stigma and his daughter, Coralie's death that probably got resurrected, as here he is just after to protect Himeko and still holds the photo of them...
Knowing that HSR is the 4th game from the Honkai series, it's no surprise they'll make it similar to Flamechasers story. Also from the trailer, Amphoreus looks like it's shaped as the Mobius Strip. Meaning there might be a looping situation happening in the story
This is giving me flashbacks to Hi3 when Kiana tried to change her mother's fate during Second Eruption and succeeding only to find out it was a simulation. Not long after she became Herrscher of the Void.
I know this might be late, but did anyone think during the last summer event in Genshin ( the Story Book ) that when you put the stars back in the sky. A reference to the Astral Express? Wether the book is Alice talking about the train’s existence, or that the Train will exist.
So, It may not exists, that's one theory. But, another theory is that Amphoreus was another planet from the same star sistem as Adlivun, so, after the ascent of Nanook, Amphoreus ended up decimated. That would also explain why the erudition and the remembrance are so interested about this world, it should not exist, but it still is there, as a memory left by the destruction.
I SWEAR, if the ending for Amphoreus is the group leaving in the Astral Express, and the Amphoreus characters ask "Who were those people again?" And go back to their lives as if the story bever happened...I'll be devastated 💔
I mean...the moment cocolia appeared everybody who knew her knew she would die at the end so Yea, stories repeating itself as hi3 was already checks out. But on the bright side we may get more Acheron if that's the case bc she was involved in hi3 story of ER. ........yay everyone is dead XD AND BTW: the total of flame chasers that survived was actually 4....maybe 5 :D.
I have had a theory since black swan first talked about ampherous. Cause she said it can only be seen through the mirrors of the garden of recollection i assumed that's cause it died a long time ago and fuli just has a memory of it. And that's because Fuli came from ampherous but before it died (likely by the voracity when they had fighted with tazzyronth) cause fuli was said to come out of nowhere so mabye that's cause ampherous was so unknown that it seems like that
i mean if we are meant to defy fate and the script then who knows maybe we will somehow bring them back to life that would definitely be something that wasn’t in the script maybe even somehow restore the planet entirely or go back to the past to prevent it’s destruction
Correction: off the flame-chasers, 4 survided the past era, being them kevin, fu hua, griseo and su, the ones curently alive are hua, griseo and (debatably) su, there is room to also include mobius but that's highly unlikely at this point
Dude, can we go back to real planets, I'm still trying to figure out how the loufu and xianqio alliance works and confused on how penacony is a dream. Belobog was an ice planet and herta space station was a space station
The Xianzhou Alliance is a group of warships of the size of planets who all hail from the same birthplanet. It’s like if all Earth inhabitants were to move into various rockets as big as Earth and set out in space. Penacony exists in the real world (the Reverie Hotel) but mostly in the dreamscapes. The dreamscapes are concretizations of people’s subconscious while sleeping and they form because Penacony is in a system full of memoria. In high concentrations, memoria can have effects on people’s minds like making them meet in their dreams (thus forming the dreamscapes). Hope this helps.
Actually, 3 of the Flame-Chasers survived. Griseo was stuck in a spaceship, part of the Project-Ark and ventured the cosmos for ages. Thus when Fu Hua sees her again she's all grown-up (that's in the part 1.5 of main story)
they already did the murder mystery bit on penacony where things were like a simulation (like Elysian realm story). they wouldn't do the same thing so soon. The Hi3rd story team have said they wished they had more time to flesh out the flame chasers and with their recent interview talking about variants this was a good way to continue telling a story of known characters even if slightly different.
I'm interested in which way HI3 and HSR are connected, first Welt somehow managed to get from HI3 to HSR (some said that the HI3 Manga "Alien space" might hold the answer how Welt got there.. but I'm not really sure about that one to be honest) Then Sparkle arrives via collab in HI3 and messes arround with us - it also is canon that Sparkle seems to be appear normally in 2.0 storyline of HI3 and now the flamechasers come to HSR... I think the lore might be a bit more complicated, perhaps it is more about the imaginary tree and the sea of quanta than we thought
What im scared at is the word Ocean that appeared in the teaser Ocean usually depicts Jhana, and if Jhana is present, then Dominion is present if Dominion is present, the Void Queen exists
maybe that's the reason for a Memokeeper recommending there and to end something there, nihility MC, would be funnier if it's actually heavily related to March that's why there's are leaks of her having a new form, with those 3 aeons as a clue for her past representing it, erudition, rememberance and destruction
The rememberence is also a pretty good choice since in Hi3 your not exactly going back in time rather your interacting with a re creation of the Flame chasers memories, that were then turned into fancy holograms ... Si get read for some tears
Honestly lines up with what I’ve been thinking. Given Elysian Realm was a simulated reality, I figured that Amphoreus wasn’t real and part of the reason why Rememberance Trailblazer became a thing. Using the power of Rememberance would allow us to interact with memories of the past, and thematically it lines up with why we interacted with the Flamechasers before, to learn from their mistakes and move forward. And Im very excited to see Welt interact with Phainon specifically. Especially after the conversation between Welt and Acheron regarding Kevin. I think it’s also very possible to see some crossover since Vita and Sparkle have interacted recently so there might be a bit of that coming soon All of Amphoreus sounds really interesting imo and I’m very hyped to pull on these units too!
I mean, the trailblazers art shows them wielding a quill and mem holding a book, it reminds me of Princess Tutu with Drosselmeyer and Fakir being author and influencing the story
Funny, just like how a star’s light reaches earth even though it might have died long ago, Amphoreus might tell a story of the past in present time through the astral express… Here’s to hoping my lone HSR theory that Star Rails is the happiest timeline in Honkai
I am scared that the Chrysos Heirs are going to be a true expy of the Flamechasers. Not scared of anything, but scared knowing their end . I still can't move on from Eden's hopeless waltz until her last breath, Kalpas's decimated body, Felis being one shot by End like Rorschach, and Ely with her Last Banquet🫠
Yes and No. IF they're taking inspiration from the ER stories, then yes Amphoreus might just all be echoes of the past, and yes most of the FCs will die (they might still be playable like in HI3). Why do you think the TB's Rememberance weapon is a book and quill, the TB is going to record Amphoreus's history like how Mei witnessed the FC's stories. Think about, if Amphoreus can only to viewed and accessed in the lights/mirrors of the Rememberance then the whole place might be made entirely out of memorial, and everyone and everything are mememic entities.
I think instead of the destruction it is the enigmata. But that's just my opinion. Lemme Explain: ( LORE DUMP) If Amphoreus has been destroyed, then I think with the power of the enigmata created an illusion of a planet. My theory is that none of these people actually exist so instead of Flamechasers they are all History Fictionologists. Except the two survivors you mentioned. The last thing you said made it make sense perfectly. Instead of the Elysian Realm, it is Amphoreus which is just a creation of Mythus the Enigmata and the characters don't exist anywhere else. Like their glued to Amphoreus. The remembrance part of Amphoreus might correspond with keeping the history of Amphoreus.Then the Erudition will hide the forbidden knowledge of Amphoreus.The Enigmata and the Remembrance collab would make things so cool. Lemme know what you think.
I think Amphoreus story will be a happy ending version of Hi3rd Flamechasers. Unlike Hi3rd, HSR is quite tamed when it comes to giving depression through character deaths. If it's Hi3rd, characters like Jiaoqiu, Firefly, Aventurine etc would be straight up dead instead of whatever we got in HSR.
“Hi~” The Pink Haired Girl said as I screamed “NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO NOT AGAIN” I bawled as I saw the individual playfully stare at me, into my soul simply to rip it out again. I looked at her companions in utter terror as I rewinded the video- “YOUR JUST LIKE *THEM* “ I saw familiar faces who were all needing of love, yet I couldn’t bare to watch my love be ripped away from me again 😭 Context: I looked at the amphoreus trailer and screamed in sheer fear.
As we know we kinda saved elysian realm with defeating the ego of corruption which could imply we will do somethibg similar like defeating the embodiment of a stellaron which coukd mean this death girl ist the source
If this turns out to be true I'm literally not even going to be surprised. There are many things hoyo does well but creating something original isn't one of them. If they reuse the story then I'll get my old friend the auto clicker to help out. That's all there is to it.
Hua was already mentioned as Marshal of Cloud Knights, Ruan Mei seems to be Dr MEI expy (in hi3 she’s part of the organization and unrelated to Raiden Mei, but Ruan Mei seems to be based off the GGZ Dr MEI cuz she’s kinda evil), the second last pink haired girl isn’t a member but the sister of a member. Her fate was very different from the others. Castorice has the flowers of Finality just like Kiana who’s pretty much Aeon level. Tribbie seems like she’s Griseo expy bit she also looks like Senadina. That makes the outliers Hua, Hyacine, Castorice and the missing ones
I swear if they just repeat HI3's plot for the Flamechasers, I may drop HSR. I don't need or want to see the same plot twice. It wasn't that good and I don't want to do it again. I hope Amphoreus actually exists and is just hidden. That or they find a way to basically reintegrate into existence. Give me SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
Welt gonna see this place, hear about the people, and get PTSD, he gonna do anything in his power to keep Himeko on that damn train and hopefully safe while shes confused because this place seems lovely whats his deal? Then theres the rumours of a dark March 7th form (and i myself theorize that she originally came from Amphoreus as a Fire Remembrance (which is Apparently their type) and her memories will come back to her while they're here, since as welt said march was encased in 6phase ice to either protect or exile her (and i believe its the latter) really it makes a bit too much sense) so maybe march feels unwell and decides to stay behind Which is why we only see TB and Danny boi taking the trip Welt is in pain, Himeko is confused but demanded to stay put by welt, march is having a moment.
If HSR Amphorius doesn't have enough emotional damage then I will forever clown on HSR's storyline cuz Elysian realm was one of the best arcs of HI3rd meaning HSR would be a failure of a successor
I saw my babies again. I cried tears of joy for them, but I knew soon enough tears of grief would fall. Why’d they all die! ( besides fuhua and Griseo, just not the sim versions. All the sims died )
Elysian realms in HSR... It's like a dream, 'cause it's the best arc in HI3. Moreover Fate colab comming soon. Hero's from Fate are also just a memories in a "body". This all is perfectly connected...
The Flamechasers, or MOTHS were experimental super soldiers to combat Honkai in the previous age of Earth, during the first descent of the Herrschers.... they WERE real, but the ones in the Elysian realms were simulations based on their memory data, which ended up nearly destroyed by the modern Herrscher of Corruption. Which may mean that Amphoreus MAY see a similar fate. Question is... who's the imposter, and will Kevin be the survivor again...?
NOTE: The Flamechasers in HI3 did exist, but in the past!1!! I wasn’t able to include this due to the duration limit, but could have worded it more clearly apologies!
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it didn't even exist? smells Nihility
@@xiaozihuaLMAOOOO
THE LORE
Well it existed in the past and th ER(Elysian Realm) was like a test to the next version of humanity to see if they could finish what they started.
"Of 13 characters, only 2 have survived" it's wrong cuz of 13 really survived Kevin, Hua and Griseo... And we could count Su (but it's complicated)... So yeah, but as much as I understand, everyone in ER died, cuz thay used safety protocol (or something like that)
*How* *amphorius *will* *end* : Trailblazer, thank you for everything you’ve done but, it’s time to take your pills, farewell
Lol 😂
Let's take ibuprofen together
@@EdogawaSakura the ibuprofen is on me, I have them free thanks to my doctor until around march 💪🏻
@harpae69 thanks!
"Himeko why don't you uh stay on the train this time"
unless their form of military officers are called valkyries i dont think she'll be in danger
@@dollificatioon previous era Himeko died so HSR Himeko has no whatsoever guarantee.
Can't wait to see how welt reacts here too.
This is how we're gonna get our imaginary himeko....
even so himeko never met the flame chasers, the only one who met flame chasers was Mei, Kiana met only Elysia, I dont know about bronya
You dont need to remind me of Elysian Realm, i miss it.
I miss them😭😭😭
Elysia my beloved
@Thosewhomeme Elysia the Lesbian Jesus
It still there is story wise
@@win-d.Not in my watch 😊
@@Kazuki.tempest12 why?
The flamechasers were real people but the people in the Elysian realms were not. They were copies of the real flame chasers in a digital realm. The only surviving flame chasers are Griseo and hua. Kevin and su were alive but they died.
Su shall forever be with us in spirit 😭🫡
Edit thanks to a reminder:
At least for now in game 😭😭😭
I was just about to comment on this myself.
All of their deaths were so sad.
THEYRE REAL TO ME 😭😭😭😭😭
How did elysia die?
@@RandomDudeThatLovesAnimesshe was kinda the representative of origin, like the being responsible for creating everything, so she is like a part of all existence now, ascension you know
Let's hope this isn't foreshadowing 😭
Fr
Probably is
Ohhh himiko. :)
Kevin's smiling. Protect that smile.
I wonder if he has a gf (DR MEI). Afterall the only reason he did all that in HI3 was because of his late gf.
I really hope so because I kinda want a playable character with an official relationship status
@Shiyuuuuu same, but I doubt they'd give us a character in a romantic relationship, if Dr MEI exists I can imagine her and Kevin having alot of "and they were roommates" vibes.
@@ShiyuuuuuSame, if not then I guess I'll just have him team up with Acheron. Close enough
Oh no.
*Looks at himeko*
*Never let you go intensifies*
Not to mention the amount of buffs she is getting recently i think dawai is planning something devious again 💀.
if he starts talking about how happy and uplifting amphoreus' story is, we're cooked.
@@reginameyers 🫥
Trailblazer : I WILL DECIDE HOW THIS STORY ENDS!
KR Saber ah lines
@yafito2 indeed it is you have guessed. Too bad the story was rushed or else it wouldve been good
I mean our weapon is a quill
@@anastasija6866oh damn u right
@@naufalyusri2273 eh, I argued that it's only on the first arc. The second and third are pretty good though it could be improved.
*TruE starts blasting at the climax of Amphoreus istg*
*L o u d e r*
🎶Ahhhhhh~ How I love to embrace, the future breaking out of shape, from the past, still ablaze!!!🎶
Say my name when a tree susurrates Once and again telling a story lost in time The way it starts and the way it ends Never again making up stories in dismay With several starts, but just one end Ah, how I long to embrace The future breaking out of shades from the past Still ablaze Save your tears for the day so far away To irrigate the wilderness that’s still asleep In the world waiting to be lit To spread over the riverbeds, so dry and dead Let ships that ran aground re-launch their sails Ah, how I long to embrace The future breaking out of shades from the past Still ablaze Seeds bear new life when flowers dare to fade Petals linger about Awaiting one last dance Shaking off all the dust from the past New stories have yet to start
Say my name…
TIME TO BLAST TRUE
A not so Small detail but it's important to note that the flame chasers were in fact real people from the previous era, they all existed and all died long before the main character of that arc (raiden mei) encountered one of them...Kevin who introduced her to the sims of said flame chasers in the elysian realm. The sims cannot leave the realm but they all were essentially the exact same people as the originals. Like a save file so to speak...they were also tangible as far we knew so they're not just projections and that's why their characters were easy to get attached to since as long as ur within the location housing the elysian realm, they're effectively as real as the originals.
Hoyo won't do that again tho cause unfortunately the new fanbase in HSR doesn't have the capacity to consume sooo much lore. So hoyo most likely won't go with a route that demands u getting attached to 13 characters only to watch most of em die twice while still being compelling and condensed.
Elysia Everlasting Emotional Damage.
It’s Hoyo
I hope that the flame chasers will still be playable
They are
Wait. We never knew who or what Kalpas in HI3 really was. Cause he was crazy powerful and certainly not human.
If he's from HSR and somewhere in the story falls to Earth in the past that would explain a lot.
Yippie, Welt's getting more trauma :D (I know nothing about HI3)
Welt had nothing to do with the Elysian Realm. But he did know of Fu Hua. Still didn't do much with her. So probably no emotional damage (this time).
At least he acknowledged what Kevin really was, a true hero... So... The only trauma so far for him is... Project Stigma and his daughter, Coralie's death that probably got resurrected, as here he is just after to protect Himeko and still holds the photo of them...
Welt didn't even care that much about bronya, so he's probably not gonna get affected by Elysium realm equivalent
Welt's gonna be fine
Us captains, however... not so much
Technically 4 of the flame chasers survived the finality : Su, Kevin, Fu Hua and Griseo.
Su died after some time and Kevin kinda ceased to exist
@cesarguimaraes872 True. But they all survive past the finality.
@@cesarguimaraes872 spoiler:
su is still "alive"
@@cesarguimaraes872 su is still alive, he just cant physically interact with anything anymore, hes the one who helps fu hua reunite with griseo
Knowing that HSR is the 4th game from the Honkai series, it's no surprise they'll make it similar to Flamechasers story. Also from the trailer, Amphoreus looks like it's shaped as the Mobius Strip. Meaning there might be a looping situation happening in the story
Genshin Jmpact was supposed to be the 4th in the series but that's still true
Never titled Honkai. The dev team of Genshin was new and werent involved in Honkai games. @@A_Group_Channel
Please don’t end up being Honkai Impact 3rd, Anphoreus. And don’t make me cry 😭
This gave me GOOSEBUMPS.... Jezus, These theories are so chilling. HSR might be one of the best story telling games ever.
A universe/planet made of past memories would go hardddd, we help change the fate in this planet but it wont change how it is on the past
This is giving me flashbacks to Hi3 when Kiana tried to change her mother's fate during Second Eruption and succeeding only to find out it was a simulation. Not long after she became Herrscher of the Void.
I know this might be late, but did anyone think during the last summer event in Genshin ( the Story Book ) that when you put the stars back in the sky. A reference to the Astral Express?
Wether the book is Alice talking about the train’s existence, or that the Train will exist.
So, It may not exists, that's one theory. But, another theory is that Amphoreus was another planet from the same star sistem as Adlivun, so, after the ascent of Nanook, Amphoreus ended up decimated. That would also explain why the erudition and the remembrance are so interested about this world, it should not exist, but it still is there, as a memory left by the destruction.
4 Flame Chasers survived, Kevin, Fu Hua, Griseo, and Su. Kevin, however, has died as of the last chapter of part one.
Pretty sure Su died sometime before that as well
@@cesarguimaraes872we don’t really know, the last I remember him was playing chess with some god or smth
@Proxy606 wasn't he some type of ghost back then?
@@cesarguimaraes872 I don’t really know. It’s been some time since I read the manga
@@cesarguimaraes872 Well kind of? His soul got dragged into another plane of existence or something. I wouldn’t necessarily say he’s dead though.
I SWEAR, if the ending for Amphoreus is the group leaving in the Astral Express, and the Amphoreus characters ask "Who were those people again?"
And go back to their lives as if the story bever happened...I'll be devastated 💔
I mean...the moment cocolia appeared everybody who knew her knew she would die at the end so Yea, stories repeating itself as hi3 was already checks out. But on the bright side we may get more Acheron if that's the case bc she was involved in hi3 story of ER. ........yay everyone is dead XD
AND BTW: the total of flame chasers that survived was actually 4....maybe 5 :D.
Isnt it implied that we will access it with the help of Garden of Recollection? Meaning that it will most likely a memory?
Probably. Thats why Herta in the end said "whats your choice this time". Meaning the world is in a loop because its just a preserved memory.
let’s hope himiko stays on the train.. if it’s anything like hi3 we need her on that train-
The second I realised the Flameschaser parallel, I KNEW.
The 13 flame chaser arch was one of my favorite arcs in the game! ❤
I have had a theory since black swan first talked about ampherous. Cause she said it can only be seen through the mirrors of the garden of recollection i assumed that's cause it died a long time ago and fuli just has a memory of it. And that's because Fuli came from ampherous but before it died (likely by the voracity when they had fighted with tazzyronth) cause fuli was said to come out of nowhere so mabye that's cause ampherous was so unknown that it seems like that
i mean if we are meant to defy fate and the script then who knows maybe we will somehow bring them back to life that would definitely be something that wasn’t in the script maybe even somehow restore the planet entirely or go back to the past to prevent it’s destruction
HI3’s legendary Elysian Realm arc never fails to bring tears to my eyes. I can’t wait for Amphoreus
Correction: off the flame-chasers, 4 survided the past era, being them kevin, fu hua, griseo and su, the ones curently alive are hua, griseo and (debatably) su, there is room to also include mobius but that's highly unlikely at this point
Dude, can we go back to real planets, I'm still trying to figure out how the loufu and xianqio alliance works and confused on how penacony is a dream. Belobog was an ice planet and herta space station was a space station
Penacony wasn't confusing lol
Nothing's confusing much so far. Just your attention span issue probably
The Xianzhou Alliance is a group of warships of the size of planets who all hail from the same birthplanet. It’s like if all Earth inhabitants were to move into various rockets as big as Earth and set out in space. Penacony exists in the real world (the Reverie Hotel) but mostly in the dreamscapes. The dreamscapes are concretizations of people’s subconscious while sleeping and they form because Penacony is in a system full of memoria. In high concentrations, memoria can have effects on people’s minds like making them meet in their dreams (thus forming the dreamscapes).
Hope this helps.
Loufu is giant Ship Planets. Its not that complicated in a story with space travel.
@Laef_dreamPenacony is a planet sized hotel.
Trailblazer after receving the power of Remembarance:
*With sheer Will and this handy Quill*
*I will be the one to bring an end to this story*
i dont want to have another "Glory to the Thirteen" moment again, goosebumps were real that time
i wonder how Welt deal with this and kmagine if he just recall this and start explaining wht happened on the Hi3rd
Welt was not involved in the event of Elysian Realm.
@@NeeonN25 yeah but mei probably told him about it at some point
The flame chasers are real, just not the ones in the Elysian realm
The strangest thing sbout smphonious is its a mobius strip. Which is not a shape planets take.
Planets don't take that Shape? 😮
Remembrance?:
Dr Edward: Bro wake up, you are going too high with the memory bubble
I pray for the day my boy Kosma get to live a happy life with Griseo and Dystopia
The Elysian Realm arc was so good, such lovely characters and a heartbreaking ending. Miss you Elysia ❤
Penacony: everything was a dream
Amphoreus: actually nothing is real
When can we get some good story in this game
The Remembrance might be running the simulation. After all, we go there at Black Swan's insistence.
Ty for all the information your giving us
Actually, 3 of the Flame-Chasers survived. Griseo was stuck in a spaceship, part of the Project-Ark and ventured the cosmos for ages. Thus when Fu Hua sees her again she's all grown-up (that's in the part 1.5 of main story)
they already did the murder mystery bit on penacony where things were like a simulation (like Elysian realm story). they wouldn't do the same thing so soon. The Hi3rd story team have said they wished they had more time to flesh out the flame chasers and with their recent interview talking about variants this was a good way to continue telling a story of known characters even if slightly different.
*sighs* *prepares tissues*
I'm interested in which way HI3 and HSR are connected,
first Welt somehow managed to get from HI3 to HSR (some said that the HI3 Manga "Alien space" might hold the answer how Welt got there.. but I'm not really sure about that one to be honest)
Then Sparkle arrives via collab in HI3 and messes arround with us - it also is canon that Sparkle seems to be appear normally in 2.0 storyline of HI3
and now the flamechasers come to HSR...
I think the lore might be a bit more complicated, perhaps it is more about the imaginary tree and the sea of quanta than we thought
What im scared at is the word Ocean that appeared in the teaser
Ocean usually depicts Jhana, and if Jhana is present, then Dominion is present if Dominion is present, the Void Queen exists
I think the 4 who full on worships the aeon of destruction may finally make an appearance one way or another.
Akivili: sorry, I didn't have a mirror. Uhhh...good luck with the travel
maybe that's the reason for a Memokeeper recommending there and to end something there, nihility MC, would be funnier if it's actually heavily related to March that's why there's are leaks of her having a new form, with those 3 aeons as a clue for her past representing it, erudition, rememberance and destruction
“Himoke..stay on the damn train..”
And with the release of Amphoreus also comes with the Rememberance Path...
And the Rememberance's goal is to preserve memories...
Remember ya'all is just theory
A Game Theory.
Genius Society: A theory you say?
That's it i'm super gluing himeko inside the express you will NOT see her come out that goddamn train
The rememberence is also a pretty good choice since in Hi3 your not exactly going back in time rather your interacting with a re creation of the Flame chasers memories, that were then turned into fancy holograms ... Si get read for some tears
For the heirs
The fuhua one is dark march 7th
The kalpas one is danheng (similar to him or his new variation)
Speaking of darkness, on a slightly off note, this makes me wonder how the trailblazer will get the path of nihility.
mc might have to go through a depresso emo arc, and end up just before ix (like aventurine and acheron did)
Honestly lines up with what I’ve been thinking. Given Elysian Realm was a simulated reality, I figured that Amphoreus wasn’t real and part of the reason why Rememberance Trailblazer became a thing.
Using the power of Rememberance would allow us to interact with memories of the past, and thematically it lines up with why we interacted with the Flamechasers before, to learn from their mistakes and move forward.
And Im very excited to see Welt interact with Phainon specifically. Especially after the conversation between Welt and Acheron regarding Kevin.
I think it’s also very possible to see some crossover since Vita and Sparkle have interacted recently so there might be a bit of that coming soon
All of Amphoreus sounds really interesting imo and I’m very hyped to pull on these units too!
I'm still surprised Himeko is still alive for this long. This gotta be a new world record for her bloodline
I mean, the trailblazers art shows them wielding a quill and mem holding a book, it reminds me of Princess Tutu with Drosselmeyer and Fakir being author and influencing the story
Amphoreus was the friends we made along the way
Funny, just like how a star’s light reaches earth even though it might have died long ago, Amphoreus might tell a story of the past in present time through the astral express…
Here’s to hoping my lone HSR theory that Star Rails is the happiest timeline in Honkai
I am scared that the Chrysos Heirs are going to be a true expy of the Flamechasers. Not scared of anything, but scared knowing their end
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I still can't move on from Eden's hopeless waltz until her last breath, Kalpas's decimated body, Felis being one shot by End like Rorschach, and Ely with her Last Banquet🫠
I legit forgot Griseo exist when trying to remember the second FC aside from Hua
Kiana expy when? We have Kevin expy now so hopefully it won't take long
Now just expect who is going to play the dramatic role of evil Vill V and The Herrscher of Corruption
What if...we still dream...? Everything is possible after Panacony
As a hi3 player i just got goosebumps and im not prepared for this😀
Get ready for never let you go again 🫡
Of this little theory is true, then we will be exploring a giant memory.
Amphorius looks amazing in the beta.. trust me.. I’m testing it out again.
It's basically just an elysian realm, but planet sized.
If we meet anyone from the Flamechasers I will be crying.
I have a feeling the story might also involve hi3’s Phosphorus likely mixed in with the Flamechasers.
Yes and No. IF they're taking inspiration from the ER stories, then yes Amphoreus might just all be echoes of the past, and yes most of the FCs will die (they might still be playable like in HI3). Why do you think the TB's Rememberance weapon is a book and quill, the TB is going to record Amphoreus's history like how Mei witnessed the FC's stories.
Think about, if Amphoreus can only to viewed and accessed in the lights/mirrors of the Rememberance then the whole place might be made entirely out of memorial, and everyone and everything are mememic entities.
The TB’ memosprite might just be the Ely EXP
I think instead of the destruction it is the enigmata. But that's just my opinion.
Lemme Explain:
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If Amphoreus has been destroyed, then I think with the power of the enigmata created an illusion of a planet. My theory is that none of these people actually exist so instead of Flamechasers they are all History Fictionologists. Except the two survivors you mentioned. The last thing you said made it make sense perfectly. Instead of the Elysian Realm, it is Amphoreus which is just a creation of Mythus the Enigmata and the characters don't exist anywhere else. Like their glued to Amphoreus. The remembrance part of Amphoreus might correspond with keeping the history of Amphoreus.Then the Erudition will hide the forbidden knowledge of Amphoreus.The Enigmata and the Remembrance collab would make things so cool. Lemme know what you think.
I think Amphoreus story will be a happy ending version of Hi3rd Flamechasers. Unlike Hi3rd, HSR is quite tamed when it comes to giving depression through character deaths. If it's Hi3rd, characters like Jiaoqiu, Firefly, Aventurine etc would be straight up dead instead of whatever we got in HSR.
Yeah JQ was one of the closest one to end up dead but they choose to blind him for whatever reason lol
“Hi~” The Pink Haired Girl said as I screamed
“NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO NOT AGAIN” I bawled as I saw the individual playfully stare at me, into my soul simply to rip it out again.
I looked at her companions in utter terror as I rewinded the video- “YOUR JUST LIKE *THEM* “
I saw familiar faces who were all needing of love, yet I couldn’t bare to watch my love be ripped away from me again 😭
Context: I looked at the amphoreus trailer and screamed in sheer fear.
As we know we kinda saved elysian realm with defeating the ego of corruption which could imply we will do somethibg similar like defeating the embodiment of a stellaron which coukd mean this death girl ist the source
a destroyed placr (destruction) living on by memories of it (remembrance) is relevant/ can be heard by its knowledge (erudition)
Himeko will be an Imaginary character
with Remembrance role
please no more sad deaths i just finished playing HI3 and now this 😭
The Elysian Realm treatment is REAL 😭
Someone keep a close watch on Welt, poor man will have his trauma unlocked max with this one.
Imagine watching the same person die in two universes
If this turns out to be true I'm literally not even going to be surprised. There are many things hoyo does well but creating something original isn't one of them. If they reuse the story then I'll get my old friend the auto clicker to help out. That's all there is to it.
My personal opinion is. This is exactly what they want us to think. They want us to be blindsided by the real twist
Im bouta skip every banner and trash all my plans if ellie is a playable character in star rail
Hua was already mentioned as Marshal of Cloud Knights, Ruan Mei seems to be Dr MEI expy (in hi3 she’s part of the organization and unrelated to Raiden Mei, but Ruan Mei seems to be based off the GGZ Dr MEI cuz she’s kinda evil), the second last pink haired girl isn’t a member but the sister of a member. Her fate was very different from the others. Castorice has the flowers of Finality just like Kiana who’s pretty much Aeon level. Tribbie seems like she’s Griseo expy bit she also looks like Senadina. That makes the outliers Hua, Hyacine, Castorice and the missing ones
I swear if they just repeat HI3's plot for the Flamechasers, I may drop HSR. I don't need or want to see the same plot twice. It wasn't that good and I don't want to do it again.
I hope Amphoreus actually exists and is just hidden. That or they find a way to basically reintegrate into existence. Give me SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
We can probably change the fate of that world with the help of the Aeons
I saw something that said that Lan (the hunt) resides over amphoreus but idk since the xianzhou follows the hunt
Im just here watching this, while i have only played HSR for 2 hours 🥰
The flamechasers were real though... but the Elysian ream is actually kind of a simulation of their lifes to remember their legacy.
Mydei is based on Kalpas not the other way around
Two things need to happen himeko needs to stay on the train, and Welt finally doing something
Welt gonna see this place, hear about the people, and get PTSD, he gonna do anything in his power to keep Himeko on that damn train and hopefully safe while shes confused because this place seems lovely whats his deal?
Then theres the rumours of a dark March 7th form (and i myself theorize that she originally came from Amphoreus as a Fire Remembrance (which is Apparently their type) and her memories will come back to her while they're here, since as welt said march was encased in 6phase ice to either protect or exile her (and i believe its the latter) really it makes a bit too much sense) so maybe march feels unwell and decides to stay behind
Which is why we only see TB and Danny boi taking the trip
Welt is in pain, Himeko is confused but demanded to stay put by welt, march is having a moment.
If HSR Amphorius doesn't have enough emotional damage then I will forever clown on HSR's storyline cuz Elysian realm was one of the best arcs of HI3rd meaning HSR would be a failure of a successor
I will forgive them if Kevin expy is broken
I saw my babies again. I cried tears of joy for them, but I knew soon enough tears of grief would fall.
Why’d they all die! ( besides fuhua and Griseo, just not the sim versions. All the sims died )
Elysian realms in HSR... It's like a dream, 'cause it's the best arc in HI3. Moreover Fate colab comming soon. Hero's from Fate are also just a memories in a "body". This all is perfectly connected...
The Flamechasers, or MOTHS were experimental super soldiers to combat Honkai in the previous age of Earth, during the first descent of the Herrschers.... they WERE real, but the ones in the Elysian realms were simulations based on their memory data, which ended up nearly destroyed by the modern Herrscher of Corruption.
Which may mean that Amphoreus MAY see a similar fate. Question is... who's the imposter, and will Kevin be the survivor again...?