Last time I visited the museum, there was a japanese couple having a wedding!! They married on top of a running, idling T34. I cant really think of more memorable ceremony...
And once you have enjoyed the wonderful museums, natural beauty and quirky hospitality of Finland, the equally odd and numerous Swedish military and civilian tech & historical museums is but a few hours boat/plane and a car/bus/train ride away (including port/airport waiting times) More often than not, the historical and military context and artifacts in Finnish and Swedish museums are closely intertwined or paralell, since Finland was the Eastern half of the country from the 14th to the 18th century...
23:35 If you look at Finnish tanker uniforms, you can see why the AFVs were intentionally kept roomy when feasible. As with most Finnish uniforms, the government only provided overgarments designed mostly just to be recognizable as military, with the soldiers bringing most of their own clothing themselves. Thus, without standardized underwear and such, the uniforms were intentionally very loose to allow for all manner of undergarments, especially in winter when multiple layers were the norm for most. In any photograph of Finn tankers during winter, most have clothes that are positively bulging.
Those cuts to the engines and gearbox were nice, when visiting the museum, I was just like "oh a bunch of engines, moving on" but seeing it in context like this is really cool!
Yeah, with a guide you get more out of the museum, which holds true to any museum. It was sad when I visited Museo Militaria there wasn't guide present, so had to just read the signs.
11:15 Minor correction/clarification: The Scania-Vabis “1664 CC” is not a 1.6L engine, it’s just confusingly named. The engine displacement is 7.755L. Thanks for making and sharing!
I'd wish you took a look at the T-50 they have in Parola. One of two left in the world, and in addition it's extra special because it had add-on armour on the front. I think it served as a command vehicle in 1944.
I'm hoping for walk around of those armored cars behind. Lots of talk about tanks but very little about armored cars and for a while they were pretty important armored assets of every country. That fad kind of came back with armored Humvees armed with all sorts of things.
I like how on the bailout he initially reaches for the gun tube to lift himself out, then remembers it's elevated and goes for the spare track links instead.
I visited Panssarimuseo first time this summer. I was positively surprised how many tanks and armored vehicles were on display. Even my wife thought it's great museum considering the ticket price and she wasn't too much bored.
I served my military service at the Parola Armour Brigade as mechanized infantryman, which is located just few hundreds of metres from the museum. In recent months, I've spoken to few acquiantances, and gotten some respect after mentioning where I served. Most of the acquiantances had also served there, but as support and logistics personnel.
We visited Panssarimuseo few weeks ago with my family, but kids didn’t appreciate tank’s as much as me, so it was a sort visit. I so have to go there again whit my ow and spend a whole day with TANK’S. Big thanks Nick to you for a great channel @Inside the Chieftain's Hatch @The Chieftain
I went there for my 40th birthday all the way from Ireland, I went in October and had the whole place to myself and friends and no staff, was able to climb over everything without eyes on me, Finland is always a good holiday
I remember reading a thing about those things in book " Tuntematon sota" by Readers Digest if my memory servs me right. During 1944 assault by soviets they got hit by artillery and their sitrep was along lines "Battery will keep serving its role....right after dirt have been poured out of barrels"
Yeah. thats what happens in a heavy artillery barrage. lots of dirt thrown around. One of the main dangers from heavy barrage is being buried. A trench or pit will protect you from the blast and fragments, but with large shells they throw a lot of dirt around. One of the recurring themes in WWI accounts is digging out men who were buried alive. Only some of the men buried were saved, more died where they were. Tanks that were hit by heavy barrage or bombardment were either flipped over by near hits or buried in earth and had to be dug out before they could move. Same applies for artillery under counter-battery fire. Whichever guns weren't hit and destroyed or their crews killed had to be dug free and cleared if they hadn't been stowed and covered when the bombardment began. Although since the first world war, the more typical thing was to relocate the battery once the enemy had registered fire on in, since they could reopen fire at any time.
@dimapez Indeed, we have some great tanks and other vehicles there, but many of them really need restoring and a bigger space to house them inside. Hopefully that could be achieved, I haven’t seen any funding drives for that though. Oh well, we can hope. At least the vehicles are there and not scrapped like so many others.
16:54: Chieftain doesn't mention it, but one must suspect that when the gun is fully loaded with shells, they will act as a counterweight to help raise the gun in elevation. Nick is cranking a gun that is completely empty, and there is less weight on the breech-end of the gun. I love Chieftain's exploration of unusual weapons from minor powers. Fascinating to see how the countries that weren't in the war, or like Finland, weren't a major belligerent, handled their defense needs during the world wars.
that is a good thought my friend, I like it. and I agree, it is nice to see things that aren't covered in a hundred other places already. I find myself more interested in the underdogs. Everyone always goes on about the famous machines, your Spitfires and P-51s and Panthers, but for some people, the entire war was spent in their Opel truck, or the most courageous moment of their life was in the cockpit of a Devastator , or they had a near death experience flying freight in a storm in a C-87, or they spent the war flying patrols over water in a Bv 138. Just because they weren't in glorious combat all the time (and neither were the Spitfires and P-51s, in reality) doesn't mean they didn't do important an interesting things. Same goes for the machines and weapons used by the smaller nations.
It's an interesting thought, but not the case I'm afraid. The trunnions on this generation of Bofors neatly dissected the auto-loader to ensure there were no imbalance issues when crews stacked more than one clip of ammunition in the gun. The most likely reasons for the gun being out of balance are that the equilibrators are not set correctly to balance the gun, or one of the equilibrator springs has broken. Both are quite common issues. I had the privilege of working on one of the few remaining Bofors in Aus service - we used it for testing fuses fitted to other rounds. The Bofors is an amazing bit of gear.
@@justforever96 - Just to add, my father served 20 years in the US Navy, never a moment in combat. When I asked him what was his most dangerous mission, he wasn't sure if it was being in a beach landing exercise where a number of men drowned, or sailing the Mediterranean on an ammunition supply ship. The latter, he said, gave him nightmares all the time he was on it; he kept imagining someone had yelled "FIRE!" In the U.S. military, safety is never guaranteed, even during peace.
A part of the reason why so many of your viewers knew about this vehicle is that it is present in War Thunder. ...not shilling for WT, just saying the vehicle is there. Thanks for the great video.
Served on a M-42 Duster in the SC Nat'l Guard. On ranges we had a tendency to eyeball the aiming because the reflecto sight was too hard to use. If your eye wasn't in the exact place (measured by inches), you couldn't see it. It was a joy to fire and blow things up though!
Speaking as a vteteran (25 years) Armor officer, the last time this was that clean was when it rolled out of the factory. Yes, every time a a tank goes to the field, it passes through the wash rack before being put to bed in the Motor Hole, , but high pressure water only does so much. This is clean, freshly painted and polished !
Love the "Almost everything" is running graphic overlay on the assault gun showing its sprockets due to lack of track at 3:06. 😂As former enlisted, I appreciate an officer who is willing to correct themselves. 👍
@@Tounushi Yeah the japanese donations of 10000€ made sure that it got roof build on top of it so its not that exposed to the weather as its displayed outside.
Am i the only one who would love to see an unscripted inside the hatch? I bet it would take about 2 minutes for the Chieftain to start ranting about something completely different and maybe get back to the tank 2 hours later
If you go back into his older videos you can find some like that. His Abrams video comes to mind, there was some great personal history and emotion in that one.
An Irishman asks the Finns what's with their language... One day, many years ago I agreed to drive a horse-box for a friend to pick up a couple of nags she'd bought from somewhere in Kildare. We picked up our guide (and old mate of mine) just outside Dun Laoghaire and headed for the main roads westwards and coming to a big island I asked which turn we wanted... He gave me a response in Irish which had no apparent correlation with any of the words on the sign.
Irish is about as intuitive a third grader understanding rocket telemetry. Just letters thrown in a blender and called words. Gorgeous to the ear, but completely unintelligible to read phonetically.
@@BeingFireRetardant We'd just driven up the A5 to Holyhead and I grew up in the Marches so it's not like I wasn't used to the idea that Celtic languages do things differently.
About the language in Finnland. I heard a story once, actually told to me by a Finish speaking person. When God gave the people their languages all the groups where standing in a line and each group got their languages ... then after a long time there was one group, the last group ... and they asked: "What about us?" Then God replied, realizing there where no languages left: "Oh, sorry, finish ..."
@@mtlb2674 IIRC, it is not Indo-European and it's closest relative is Hungarian. And Hungarians are space aliens " Physicist Enrico Fermi, said to be a firm believer in the existence of extra-terrestrials, was frustrated by the lack of firm evidence of their existence. Reasoning that advanced civilizations should by now have filled the Galaxy, Fermi came downstairs for lunch one afternoon at Los Alamos and blurted out his now-famous question, "Where are they?" "They are among us," it is reported that Hungarian-born physicist Leo Szilard responded, "but they call themselves Hungarians."
Went there for my 40th birthday and went in October, no one else was there and the staff went off so was able to climb over everything without eyes on me, great day out
Hooked teeth are the classic chain sprocket wear pattern. Ask anyone who keeps or maintains old motorcycles. New sprockets are symmetric. When the chain link pivots wear the chain pitch lengthens and the chain no longer fits snugly. This transfers ALL the load to one single tooth at a time which wears rapidly. The test for chain wear is to try to lift the chain radially at a point half way round the sprocket. If it lifts chain is done. Could possibly test tank track with a crowbar.
It Psv = ilmatorjuntapanssarivaunu = anti-aircraft tank, Finnish is very literal language. Btw, a little mention about finnish panzerswastika: it is not nazi related. Dear goodness, i got to get back in Parola and enjoy those unique tanks with knowledge I posess now, since last I visited there, I was 10-year old boy, knowing basicly nothing. Thx for the video. As finn, much appreciated. Finland STRONK!
@Real Aiglon It doesn't matter how people today, in general, see swastika. When Finnish army took swastika as its army recognition symbol, it had nothing to do with nazis. Swedish count Eric von Rosen gifted Finnish white guard with Thulin typ D (Morane-Saulnier Parasol) recon aircraft, during Finnish civil war 1918. In Finnish armored forces swatika made its way in 1941, when white-blue-white stripes were replaced for obvious reason, being too visible. I must take note, that before 1936, Finland did not have remarkable armored forces, despite having some obsolete Renault FTs and wasn't still having, even Finland bought approximatley 30 British Vickers E 6 ton tanks between 1936-'39. Even panzerswastika was relatively new symbol 1941, (when Finnish army co-operated with third reich,) it still hadn't anything to do with nazis, but strong tradition behind its history since 1918. And btw, even FAF headquarters no longer use it as symbol of the airforce, swasttika is still part of the airforce staff and conscripts's uniforms, it is also found in airforce unit flags. People those get their feelings hurt by relaiting swastika as nazi symbol, despite its long history and different context, are ignorant fools. And no matter what, new eagle symbol has remarkable resemblance with Luftwaffe eagle...
This technically seems like a remarkable little vehicle, gotta wonder how effective they could have been with higher production numbers? Amazing the half dozen were kept in service for that long, even as a simple defense turret. The 40mm Bofors was and still is a very capable all purpose gun, especially with a modern FCS that doesn't require 2 or 3 guys to aim it. With legs that long, even with the extra wide turret ring, I'd be a little worried about losing a couple toes or a foot to the turret monster below during traverse. I love that driver's hatch....easy to get out of! Nice big tachometer too for the driver. With a handy lamp, having the engine deck set on the prop might help keep the rain out while doing maintenance in the field -assuming the vehicle is pointed against the direction of the wind.
If it were a motorcycle sprocket or an engine timing chain I would say worn. The chains cup the teeth out with use. Have to replace everything on a resto.
with respect, getting new sprockets is actually very easy these days, just get a plate of the required spec steel and run it along to your friendly cnc industrial laser or plasma cutter, it's castings that are a pain to reproduce
Genuinely never heard of this thing before last week and I bought the Talvisota DLC for a game called "Call to Arms: Gates of Hell: Ostfront" A game with a lengthy title worthy of showcasing a vehicle with an equally lengthy name
The name of the vehicle just translates directly to Anti-Air Tank. Its also interesting that its in the DLC named Talvisota (Winter War) because it never was in that war it was made after it and saw action in the Continuation War (Jatkosota), but it seems the DLC has both Winter War and Continuation War included so that explains that.
40mm ammo. Eventually, nose VT (proximity radar) fuzes were developed for the AA (HE) rounds, but not during WWII. Impact only was normally used. Some small/medium AA gun projectiles had self-destruct timers (black powder trains) in the fuzes to keep the damage to one's own side to a minimum, but I do not know if this was used for these shells The base-fuzed AP round against light armor (up to maybe 40mm or so at right-angles) had a very blunt rounded point of a 1-caliber (40mm radius) tangent ogive shape, with a long, pointed sheet-metal windscreen for reducing drag. This windscreen had two ways to attach it: Originally, a very thin form-fitt9ng nose cup (called a "Hood" by the US Navy) was soldered to the nose and screw threads used to attach the windscreen. This made the AP shells much more expensive than a simple AP body with a small HE charge and non-delay impact base fuze and the cheap windscreen. The US military changed the original "M1" AP round from Sweden to a simpler one called the "M1A1" which had no Hood and simply crimped the windscreen to a very shallow groove cut into the lower nose, making the shells cheaper and easier to make. I do not know of anybody else using the crimped version, though.
Very interesting video as always! It is is curious that I never heard about the ItPsv 41 Anti II so I had a look on Wikipedia just to get more info! So I understand that the chassis was based on the Landsverk L-60 tank but was lengthened with one extra roadwheel per side. The gun was a 40 mm Bofors L/60 anti-air gun which was already in service with the Finnish military as the 40 ItK/38 so there was nothing new for the Finnish army! By the way I'm half Swedish and Italian and I manage a passable maccheroni Swedish but I find the Finnish language nearly impossible but my Swedish girlfriend that stayed in Helsinki for more than a year she had some difficulty too! Seriously I must go to Parola tank museum.....
ItPsv 41, another utterly OP anti-air/anti-tank gun system for the game. 0~o As for ejection of the 40mm, watching firings of the CV-90/40 IFV that Bofors does indeed eject forwards, and with great velocity (schwing!) of the spent casings as you said. ^~^ Boom head shoot! Alucard would be so proud. ^~^
The 40mm Bofors in the CV 9040 is the newer after war version of the gun, which has a completely different ejection mechanism and a bigger more powerful shell among a lot of other differences.
Oh please please please tell me we'll get the synergy of Chieftain doing an Inside the Hatch video on Mikka's BT-42 (y'know, the one where ACTAS directly lifted your camera angle from the BT-7 video to show Aki installing the steering wheel)...
Being about 5-2 I fit into a T-55 quite nicely. There is a long story there, but suffice to say I understand why in some countries short fellows as tank crew. I suspect that explains the popularity of the the T-54/55 series with many nations. That and they are cheap and relatively simple to maintain and operate. Not sure how this worked in Finland.
When you have conscription in effect, you can do things like that. In a professional army you might not have enough shorter guys enlisting to have good crews for more cramped designs.
Trying to decide if Ilmatorjuntapanssarivaunu would be Air Warding Armored Wagon, or Air Repelling. Literally speaking. Air Defense would probably be, the common term, as opposed to anti-air. Though, not an expert in any matter. :) Looking forward to seeing other objects from Parola. (Also, surprising lack of comments in the comments section about the national markings.)
Well, it is a WWII vehicle, so viewers either already know that the swastika was used by Finland since 1919, or (falsely) assume it is a German marking of some kind to prevent friendly fire on the Eastern front.
Had no idea it had a "computer". Really neat, guess the "gunners" just keep it centered and the commander can concentrate on range, speed, direction and lead. 🤔
Interesting and rare piece of equipment with some creative designs. Must've felt pretty crowded when fully manned though, seeing as the gun alone requires a crew of three all in the turret.
This is a nice change of pace. That turret is nicely laid out. Roomy without being wasteful. You mentioned this being useful against ground as well as air targets. Did it have an AP shell, or was it simply used with the (presumably HE) anti-air shell against ground targets?
@@robertkalinic335 The AP rounds were rated to penetrate 45mm at 500m at 30°, so it has a good bit of power in it Plenty to take out lighter tanks and medium tanks from the side
@@biomike01 Of course it goes through sides, but they are not supposed to expose them and very unlikely that you even get the chance. All kinds of light at cannons weaker than 40mm could pen mediums from sides and yet everybody in ww2 always tried to get gun that can pen front armor of enemy tanks.
Thanks for yet again an interesting video. A question I've had and you tiped on the bit of room in the engine room. Why is it even in modern tanks AA or MBT that not all ammo is stored seperate from the crew? Akin a universal/bren carrier. Max protection ie armour for the squishy things and less for engine and ammo syrage. The fuel akin Merkava on the outside. Akin S-tank in Jerrycans hanging beside the tracks.
The issue with keeping the ammo separate from the crew is that the crew really need that ammo to be accessible, and even the "deep storage" rounds need to be protected. A tank without ammo is not very effective. The usual efficient way to both protect it and keep it accessible is to keep it under the same armor as the crew. Unfortunately, if it comes down to the crew compartment being penetrated by a round that can set off ammunition, it is likely to have already rendered the tank ineffective via damage to the crew. By keeping both the crew and ammo close to one another you limit the area you need to put the maximum armor protection around. Tanks such as the M1 Abrams are really the rare exception, and it is a tradeoff. Look at how much space and weight is set aside for that massive armored turret bustle. While I'd certainly say it is a worthwhile design compromise in exchange for better protection for the crew (and better ergonomics, since it keeps the turret otherwise clear of ammo and having the ammo all in one area makes loading relatively efficient compared to many historical designs that scattered ammo storage all over the tank), it is clear than many other tank designers would disagree (see the Leopard 2 ammo storage for comparison). Interestingly, auto-loader evolution may actually favor separating the ammo from the crew in future tanks. The M1's ammo-in-bustle layout seems to be very well suited to space-efficient autoloaders such as that found on the Leclerc, Japanese Type 90, and Korean K2.
@@tacticalmanatee thanks, for a well put argument based on facts. Somewat rare on internet. Yet, a ready rack bin of Leo2 or Abrams behind the loader should be sufficient I guess to when spent withdraw a bit and reload that from within the tank. Simply place the turret in optimum reload position. Further more reload from the back of the tank as in Merkava and S tank is then possible for the logistics. I was a Leopard 1 driver and Dutch PRTL AA gunner trainee in 1981. (I won my cold war😎🤠) yet a disign flaw I was imo aware of of the upgrade digital German Gepard version is now in the same problem as T72 and deritives. Sitting on top of 340+ 35 mm rounds. One RPG 7 and I'd of been history. It should of been positioned in front and rear of the turret. Having the two crew gunner and vomander sit on the electronics bay.
If the AA tank is within range of RPG-7 fire, I would guess that things have already gone rather sideways. I'm not sure an RPG to the ammo would be much less survivable than an RPG hitting any other part of the turret body. The unfortunate crew inside is going to have a bad time regardless. The good news is that 340+ rounds of 35mm is probably capable of suppressing any AT rocket team foolish enough to fire on an AA tank unit. I can't even imagine the kind of carnage that would result from a Gepard engaging infantry. Speaking of optimal loading position, one of the biggest benefits of the bustle storage, aside from the increased crew protection, is that every turret position is the optimal turret position for loading, since the ammo keeps in the same orientation. There is certainly a "sweet spot" of rounds in the part of the bustle rack closest to the loader and in the middle of the bustle hatch, but compared to the hull storage of something like a Leopard even the less optimal rounds in an M1's ammo rack are comparatively easy to get to. I'm not sure how many easily-reached ready rounds are available to a Leopard loader, but I'd assume it is less than the number of rounds in an M1's "sweet spot". The US Army no longer even uses the hull ammo storage for the M1 for ammunition, to the best of my knowledge. I suspect it's mostly used for stowing personal gear these days.
@@tacticalmanatee I see a lot of talk about Gepard engaging ground targets. Indeed, then someting has gone wrong. We trainend to engage ground targets by firing twice on 500 m and once on 1500 m because no laser or so distance measurement. Twice first for two aa rounds the two AT rounds of the two 15 round carring in the external cheaks of the gun. Then smoke and haul ass. The Gepard PRTL is an AA system against low flying fast jets. Helicopters problem. We needed Stinger. Drones wernt a problem in my time. Yet the arc of radar vision doesn't cover straight above. And, even in my time a special forces even woth RPG7 or worse we needed at least a compagnie of infantry to protect us and get our pre prepared sites in order. Infantry we lacked. And without training forget it. Camouflage telephone lines etc. And Gepard had Rolamd on Marder, or we needed AMRAM Patriot for high flighing cover. Very complicated logistics and repair train. The Gepard is very high and very lightly armoured.
This was a refreshing conversation to read from people who know a thing or three about armored vehicles. One of the things I never liked about the M3 Bradley was the ammo stowage, as I recall 300 rounds of 25mm in the ready bins, cans of 25mm scattered all through the hull & under the troop compartment deck, plus racks for 10 TOW missiles. Another was fuel stowage, 30 gallons between the turret basket & engine compartment, another 150 gallons directly under the turret basket. I shuddered to think about taking hits surrounded by all that ammo, though. For recon work I much preferred the M113, because you knew basically anything could take you out, it made you very careful.
I believe there was a fourth man in the turret, a loader, who probably stood on the left behind the elevation trainer. The 40mm Bofors goes through those clips rather quickly and the other guys would have been too occupied with aiming to have time to load. The machine is supposed to have a crew of five, so a loader would account for the missing man. Btw,. Parola, like all Finnish names, is pronounced with the accent on the first syllable, not the second. Bofors is not pronounced bow-forze but boo-force. Not a bad job on "panssarimuseo", though!
Maybe the driver served as loader when engaging air targets while when firing at ground targets the commander could probably do that since there was less reason to manipulate the „ballistic lead computer“? 🤔 Then again, no reason to not have a fourth guy in the turret for that.
@@kimjanek646 The whole idea of having a mobile AA platform is to have an AA defense that can accompany a moving mechanized column or other formation and be able to react immediately when attacked. Thus, the driver would need to be driving even if the vehicle had to stop temporarily to open fire; there would be no time for him to change seats and he would need to be able to get the vehicle moving the moment the attack was past in order not to block the column and to keep up with the other vehicles. I can see very few situations in normal maneuvers (as in Finland in WW2) where the Anti would have needed to fire at ground targets. This is something that has become more common in recent military operations in urban and suburban areas where heavy AA vehicles (e.g., 35mm or 57mm twin cannon) have been used to shoot through house walls to eliminate snipers, machine gun emplacements etc.
Last time I visited the museum, there was a japanese couple having a wedding!! They married on top of a running, idling T34. I cant really think of more memorable ceremony...
Should've tied some jerry cans to the back of it with a "Just Married" sign 🤣
presumably girl und panzer fans
That's actually amazing
... or more idiotic?
Good. The tank will be a symbol of never giving up and to always believe in victory no matter how hard life gets.
Almost in time for Finnish brutality, Ian turns up with some fancy rifle and handgun, Chieftain turns up with a tank.
Probably not this particular AFV.
Seems fair.
will there be a CV9040 ?
Chieftain is no dummy; he rides to work.
Of course he brings an AFV. He's not going to compete with a pistol and a rifle.
Finland is one of those nations that have unique vehicles just hidden away for people who love history to find and enjoy.
They have a lot of nice and unique items out in storage. Finnish aviation museum has even more super cool artifacts and planes.
@@karoltakisobie6638 This why I've come to love smaller WW2 Nations like Finland.
And once you have enjoyed the wonderful museums, natural beauty and quirky hospitality of Finland, the equally odd and numerous Swedish military and civilian tech & historical museums is but a few hours boat/plane and a car/bus/train ride away (including port/airport waiting times)
More often than not, the historical and military context and artifacts in Finnish and Swedish museums are closely intertwined or paralell, since Finland was the Eastern half of the country from the 14th to the 18th century...
.... Onhan tässä nautintoa kerrakseen, mutta kyllähän jo pitäisi päästä tositoimiin niin nautinnot moninkertaistuu.
@@SonsOfLorgar Yes, Sweden has a whole bunch of stuff I would love to visit or see in the future.
Ilmatorjunta = Air defence, panssarivaunu=tank (panssari=armor vaunu=carriage) for so Air defence tank 41 for those interested :)
Perkalay
But used against anything that moves in traditional finnish style.
I'd say more appropriate translation would be vaunu = wagon, similar to how Germans named their panzerwagens.
¿Cómo se dice "41"?
@@GreySectoid Yeah probably right, the term likely comes from the German term anyways
23:35 If you look at Finnish tanker uniforms, you can see why the AFVs were intentionally kept roomy when feasible. As with most Finnish uniforms, the government only provided overgarments designed mostly just to be recognizable as military, with the soldiers bringing most of their own clothing themselves. Thus, without standardized underwear and such, the uniforms were intentionally very loose to allow for all manner of undergarments, especially in winter when multiple layers were the norm for most. In any photograph of Finn tankers during winter, most have clothes that are positively bulging.
"That tank appears to be owned by a group of Depression era hobos, sir."
@@jimmyrustler8983 "sir the Depression era hobos have encircled us, again"
@@techpriest5452 "Dangle a bottle of Everclear out the escape hatch, we'll run when they're fighting over it!"
@@jimmyrustler8983 "Can't do that, sir, our own boys drank all of it days ago! Now they're going through the anti-freeze."
@@jarmokankaanpaa6528 "DO WE STILL HAVE THE EMPTY BOTTLE!?"
The delayed action driver's seat hilarious, well done for just carrying on straight faced! As always an excellent offering, many thanks.
Those cuts to the engines and gearbox were nice, when visiting the museum, I was just like "oh a bunch of engines, moving on" but seeing it in context like this is really cool!
Yeah, with a guide you get more out of the museum, which holds true to any museum. It was sad when I visited Museo Militaria there wasn't guide present, so had to just read the signs.
Head shot with a 40mm bofors.
War Thunder: Pilot is unconscious.
"'Tis but a flesh wound."
"But your head is blown off!"
@@hawkeye5955 Right, the head is made of flesh and it is wounded so a Flesh Wound.
naah, war thunder would be more like: "you have a hole in your left wing!"
naah, the bullet would have done fuck-all
"Hit" +10 SL
11:15 Minor correction/clarification: The Scania-Vabis “1664 CC” is not a 1.6L engine, it’s just confusingly named. The engine displacement is 7.755L.
Thanks for making and sharing!
I was going to say. That specific output is fantastic (and almost unbelievable!) for the age of this engine.
Thanks!! I did not know downsizing was a thing in WWII Sweden....
I wondered about that. An engine that's smaller than the one in my car has more horsepower?
I came in here to say that I don't know what it is, but that it wasn't a 1.6L engine making 160hp
I was about to say. 1.6 liter engine with 140 horse power, during ww2. I knew the Swedes were advanced, but...
I'd wish you took a look at the T-50 they have in Parola. One of two left in the world, and in addition it's extra special because it had add-on armour on the front. I think it served as a command vehicle in 1944.
Or a veak 40..
11 planes shot down with only 6 Anti II, that has got to make it one of the best rates of vehicles built to kills
Sturer Emil is probably pretty high on that list too :]
Great K/D, seeing as none of them were lost.
Ferdinand units average KD was somewhere around 10:1. Although I believe that's only taking combat losses, and not operational losses, into account.
Hoping for more videos from this museum!
Me too _underscore
I'm hoping for walk around of those armored cars behind. Lots of talk about tanks but very little about armored cars and for a while they were pretty important armored assets of every country. That fad kind of came back with armored Humvees armed with all sorts of things.
I like how on the bailout he initially reaches for the gun tube to lift himself out, then remembers it's elevated and goes for the spare track links instead.
Gasp a notification of premier before it actually starts! That's a first
Using the engine lid as part of the air intake is something I've never seen before. Very clever
The system being open to the elements every time the engine deck is open might not be ideal. Wonder if that caused any problems.
@@Molo9000 Probably why the lid can be propped partly open.
You haven't seen that? That is not actually that uncommon.
I visited Panssarimuseo first time this summer. I was positively surprised how many tanks and armored vehicles were on display. Even my wife thought it's great museum considering the ticket price and she wasn't too much bored.
I served my military service at the Parola Armour Brigade as mechanized infantryman, which is located just few hundreds of metres from the museum.
In recent months, I've spoken to few acquiantances, and gotten some respect after mentioning where I served. Most of the acquiantances had also served there, but as support and logistics personnel.
"..A vehicle most of you have never heard of."
*Me, grinding Swedish tank lines in War Thunder* : Panzerpancake has arrived, tremble, mortals!
We visited Panssarimuseo few weeks ago with my family, but kids didn’t appreciate tank’s as much as me, so it was a sort visit. I so have to go there again whit my ow and spend a whole day with TANK’S. Big thanks Nick to you for a great channel @Inside the Chieftain's Hatch @The Chieftain
I went there for my 40th birthday all the way from Ireland, I went in October and had the whole place to myself and friends and no staff, was able to climb over everything without eyes on me, Finland is always a good holiday
I remember reading a thing about those things in book " Tuntematon sota" by Readers Digest if my memory servs me right. During 1944 assault by soviets they got hit by artillery and their sitrep was along lines "Battery will keep serving its role....right after dirt have been poured out of barrels"
Yeah. thats what happens in a heavy artillery barrage. lots of dirt thrown around. One of the main dangers from heavy barrage is being buried. A trench or pit will protect you from the blast and fragments, but with large shells they throw a lot of dirt around. One of the recurring themes in WWI accounts is digging out men who were buried alive. Only some of the men buried were saved, more died where they were. Tanks that were hit by heavy barrage or bombardment were either flipped over by near hits or buried in earth and had to be dug out before they could move. Same applies for artillery under counter-battery fire. Whichever guns weren't hit and destroyed or their crews killed had to be dug free and cleared if they hadn't been stowed and covered when the bombardment began. Although since the first world war, the more typical thing was to relocate the battery once the enemy had registered fire on in, since they could reopen fire at any time.
Oh, you've been here in Finland, that's nice! Hopefully you had the chance to film multiple vehicles at Parola.
@dimapez Indeed, we have some great tanks and other vehicles there, but many of them really need restoring and a bigger space to house them inside. Hopefully that could be achieved, I haven’t seen any funding drives for that though. Oh well, we can hope. At least the vehicles are there and not scrapped like so many others.
Greetings from Hungary!
Judging by my walk around the Hungarian 40M Nimród,the sprockets of the ItPsv 41 are just worn off.
The ease of your escape was surprising; it looked like a really tight fit.
Those are now proper tanker's jeans!
16:54: Chieftain doesn't mention it, but one must suspect that when the gun is fully loaded with shells, they will act as a counterweight to help raise the gun in elevation. Nick is cranking a gun that is completely empty, and there is less weight on the breech-end of the gun.
I love Chieftain's exploration of unusual weapons from minor powers. Fascinating to see how the countries that weren't in the war, or like Finland, weren't a major belligerent, handled their defense needs during the world wars.
that is a good thought my friend, I like it. and I agree, it is nice to see things that aren't covered in a hundred other places already. I find myself more interested in the underdogs. Everyone always goes on about the famous machines, your Spitfires and P-51s and Panthers, but for some people, the entire war was spent in their Opel truck, or the most courageous moment of their life was in the cockpit of a Devastator , or they had a near death experience flying freight in a storm in a C-87, or they spent the war flying patrols over water in a Bv 138. Just because they weren't in glorious combat all the time (and neither were the Spitfires and P-51s, in reality) doesn't mean they didn't do important an interesting things. Same goes for the machines and weapons used by the smaller nations.
It's an interesting thought, but not the case I'm afraid. The trunnions on this generation of Bofors neatly dissected the auto-loader to ensure there were no imbalance issues when crews stacked more than one clip of ammunition in the gun. The most likely reasons for the gun being out of balance are that the equilibrators are not set correctly to balance the gun, or one of the equilibrator springs has broken. Both are quite common issues. I had the privilege of working on one of the few remaining Bofors in Aus service - we used it for testing fuses fitted to other rounds. The Bofors is an amazing bit of gear.
@@contributor7219 - Thanks for that information. Nothing like hearing from someone with hands-on experience.
@@justforever96 - Just to add, my father served 20 years in the US Navy, never a moment in combat. When I asked him what was his most dangerous mission, he wasn't sure if it was being in a beach landing exercise where a number of men drowned, or sailing the Mediterranean on an ammunition supply ship. The latter, he said, gave him nightmares all the time he was on it; he kept imagining someone had yelled "FIRE!" In the U.S. military, safety is never guaranteed, even during peace.
Looking on the 'tube to kill a little time but not half an hour.
Chieftain uploads a half hour Inside The Tank.
Stuff can wait. It'll still be there.
A part of the reason why so many of your viewers knew about this vehicle is that it is present in War Thunder.
...not shilling for WT, just saying the vehicle is there.
Thanks for the great video.
Served on a M-42 Duster in the SC Nat'l Guard. On ranges we had a tendency to eyeball the aiming because the reflecto sight was too hard to use. If your eye wasn't in the exact place (measured by inches), you couldn't see it. It was a joy to fire and blow things up though!
Most excellent as always, sir. Certainly, a vehicle I was completely unaware of. Thank You!
Speaking as a vteteran (25 years) Armor officer, the last time this was that clean was when it rolled out of the factory. Yes, every time a a tank goes to the field, it passes through the wash rack before being put to bed in the Motor Hole, , but high pressure water only does so much. This is clean, freshly painted and polished !
Nice one, literally a "And now for something completely different." Moment.
This is the first Chieftain's Hatch I have seen in a while. I'm glad that they have removed the music.
The ones I do on my own don't have music
@@TheChieftainsHatch and we thank you for it!
Love the "Almost everything" is running graphic overlay on the assault gun showing its sprockets due to lack of track at 3:06. 😂As former enlisted, I appreciate an officer who is willing to correct themselves. 👍
Great to have you in Finland. Excellent video as always!
Thanks!
Please tell me you're doing a piece on the infamous BT-42, which should be available in Parola?
It should've had some extra conservation work in the past years, right? With the Girls und Panzer appearance and the fan interest in the vehicle.
@@Tounushi Yeah the japanese donations of 10000€ made sure that it got roof build on top of it so its not that exposed to the weather as its displayed outside.
@@Tounushi i asked a guy from the museum and he said restoring it isnt impossible
Finally you're in Finland.
Am i the only one who would love to see an unscripted inside the hatch? I bet it would take about 2 minutes for the Chieftain to start ranting about something completely different and maybe get back to the tank 2 hours later
If you go back into his older videos you can find some like that. His Abrams video comes to mind, there was some great personal history and emotion in that one.
Great day. Chieftain was on
I visited this museum recently, it's awesome !
I like it when you go to these museum and show these old tanks! ☺
An Irishman asks the Finns what's with their language...
One day, many years ago I agreed to drive a horse-box for a friend to pick up a couple of nags she'd bought from somewhere in Kildare. We picked up our guide (and old mate of mine) just outside Dun Laoghaire and headed for the main roads westwards and coming to a big island I asked which turn we wanted... He gave me a response in Irish which had no apparent correlation with any of the words on the sign.
Reminds me of that Sean Lock anecdote about when he asked a guy for directions to Coleraine, to which the man replied "My brother takes me!"
Irish is about as intuitive a third grader understanding rocket telemetry. Just letters thrown in a blender and called words. Gorgeous to the ear, but completely unintelligible to read phonetically.
"Oh so ye want us te write in t&e letters ye knicked from the Romans? Well fine, but we're usin em for totally different sounds!
@@BeingFireRetardant We'd just driven up the A5 to Holyhead and I grew up in the Marches so it's not like I wasn't used to the idea that Celtic languages do things differently.
@@BeingFireRetardant Exactly. In what other language could "tiocfaidh" ever be approximated as "chucky"?
About the language in Finnland. I heard a story once, actually told to me by a Finish speaking person.
When God gave the people their languages all the groups where standing in a line and each group got their languages ... then after a long time there was one group, the last group ... and they asked:
"What about us?"
Then God replied, realizing there where no languages left:
"Oh, sorry, finish ..."
Good joke 😊 But to be honest, finnish is one the oldest still spoken languages in Europe.
@@mtlb2674 IIRC, it is not Indo-European and it's closest relative is Hungarian. And Hungarians are space aliens
" Physicist Enrico Fermi, said to be a firm believer in the existence of extra-terrestrials, was frustrated by the lack of firm evidence of their existence. Reasoning that advanced civilizations should by now have filled the Galaxy, Fermi came downstairs for lunch one afternoon at Los Alamos and blurted out his now-famous question, "Where are they?"
"They are among us," it is reported that Hungarian-born physicist Leo Szilard responded, "but they call themselves Hungarians."
Keep up the great content. Your videos are informative and relaxing. Fun to watch and no politics.
Missed this one when I was at Parola, a few years ago. I love these obscure creations 🙂
"Perkele, the Ilmatorjuntapanssarivaunu is on fire."
Went there for my 40th birthday and went in October, no one else was there and the staff went off so was able to climb over everything without eyes on me, great day out
This vehicle was produced in Hungary under license as the 40M Nimrod. Hobby Boss makes a 1/35 scale model of the 40M Nimrod.
Best Tank Destroyer in War thunder.
Hooked teeth are the classic chain sprocket wear pattern. Ask anyone who keeps or maintains old motorcycles. New sprockets are symmetric. When the chain link pivots wear the chain pitch lengthens and the chain no longer fits snugly. This transfers ALL the load to one single tooth at a time which wears rapidly. The test for chain wear is to try to lift the chain radially at a point half way round the sprocket. If it lifts chain is done. Could possibly test tank track with a crowbar.
KV-1 and BT-42 next! Hello from finland!
The Chieftain should consider doing a series of exercise videos; 'middle aged mobility for tankers' or something like that.
Very cool!
It Psv = ilmatorjuntapanssarivaunu = anti-aircraft tank, Finnish is very literal language. Btw, a little mention about finnish panzerswastika: it is not nazi related. Dear goodness, i got to get back in Parola and enjoy those unique tanks with knowledge I posess now, since last I visited there, I was 10-year old boy, knowing basicly nothing.
Thx for the video. As finn, much appreciated. Finland STRONK!
@Real Aiglon It doesn't matter how people today, in general, see swastika. When Finnish army took swastika as its army recognition symbol, it had nothing to do with nazis. Swedish count Eric von Rosen gifted Finnish white guard with Thulin typ D (Morane-Saulnier Parasol) recon aircraft, during Finnish civil war 1918. In Finnish armored forces swatika made its way in 1941, when white-blue-white stripes were replaced for obvious reason, being too visible. I must take note, that before 1936, Finland did not have remarkable armored forces, despite having some obsolete Renault FTs and wasn't still having, even Finland bought approximatley 30 British Vickers E 6 ton tanks between 1936-'39. Even panzerswastika was relatively new symbol 1941, (when Finnish army co-operated with third reich,) it still hadn't anything to do with nazis, but strong tradition behind its history since 1918.
And btw, even FAF headquarters no longer use it as symbol of the airforce, swasttika is still part of the airforce staff and conscripts's uniforms, it is also found in airforce unit flags. People those get their feelings hurt by relaiting swastika as nazi symbol, despite its long history and different context, are ignorant fools.
And no matter what, new eagle symbol has remarkable resemblance with Luftwaffe eagle...
Those are the cleanest tracks I’ve ever seen.
This technically seems like a remarkable little vehicle, gotta wonder how effective they could have been with higher production numbers? Amazing the half dozen were kept in service for that long, even as a simple defense turret. The 40mm Bofors was and still is a very capable all purpose gun, especially with a modern FCS that doesn't require 2 or 3 guys to aim it. With legs that long, even with the extra wide turret ring, I'd be a little worried about losing a couple toes or a foot to the turret monster below during traverse. I love that driver's hatch....easy to get out of! Nice big tachometer too for the driver. With a handy lamp, having the engine deck set on the prop might help keep the rain out while doing maintenance in the field -assuming the vehicle is pointed against the direction of the wind.
no cringe music, big improvement, unironically gj
If it were a motorcycle sprocket or an engine timing chain I would say worn. The chains cup the teeth out with use. Have to replace everything on a resto.
Visited Parola a couple of years back. Absolutely recommend the place.
Never expected to see this in my feed, but glad you covered this rather obscure vaunu.
I hope he's gonna make a video on on of their beautiful Sturmi's
Interesting as usual, Nick. Thanks for the tour of the Anti II.
with respect, getting new sprockets is actually very easy these days, just get a plate of the required spec steel and run it along to your friendly cnc industrial laser or plasma cutter, it's castings that are a pain to reproduce
Like it a lot! Well thought out design other than the thin armor. Definitely worth 32 minutes.
26:50 "...into first...here somewhere..." If you can't find the gear, you can always grind your own...
love that driver's hatch
Genuinely never heard of this thing before last week and I bought the Talvisota DLC for a game called "Call to Arms: Gates of Hell: Ostfront"
A game with a lengthy title worthy of showcasing a vehicle with an equally lengthy name
The name of the vehicle just translates directly to Anti-Air Tank. Its also interesting that its in the DLC named Talvisota (Winter War) because it never was in that war it was made after it and saw action in the Continuation War (Jatkosota), but it seems the DLC has both Winter War and Continuation War included so that explains that.
new subscriber here! could listen you for hours, so good history knowledge, and a very chill, charming person.
Can you show the T26-E or the Finnish Vickers 6 ton? Or maybe the 114mm BT, if they have one
They have both in Parola.
Awesome, as usual. All the details I’ll (very likely not) need but nice to know anyway!
40mm ammo. Eventually, nose VT (proximity radar) fuzes were developed for the AA (HE) rounds, but not during WWII. Impact only was normally used. Some small/medium AA gun projectiles had self-destruct timers (black powder trains) in the fuzes to keep the damage to one's own side to a minimum, but I do not know if this was used for these shells
The base-fuzed AP round against light armor (up to maybe 40mm or so at right-angles) had a very blunt rounded point of a 1-caliber (40mm radius) tangent ogive shape, with a long, pointed sheet-metal windscreen for reducing drag. This windscreen had two ways to attach it: Originally, a very thin form-fitt9ng nose cup (called a "Hood" by the US Navy) was soldered to the nose and screw threads used to attach the windscreen. This made the AP shells much more expensive than a simple AP body with a small HE charge and non-delay impact base fuze and the cheap windscreen. The US military changed the original "M1" AP round from Sweden to a simpler one called the "M1A1" which had no Hood and simply crimped the windscreen to a very shallow groove cut into the lower nose, making the shells cheaper and easier to make. I do not know of anybody else using the crimped version, though.
Very interesting video as always! It is is curious that I never heard about the ItPsv 41 Anti II so I had a look on Wikipedia just to get more info! So I understand that the chassis was based on the Landsverk L-60 tank but was lengthened with one extra roadwheel per side. The gun was a 40 mm Bofors L/60 anti-air gun which was already in service with the Finnish military as the 40 ItK/38 so there was nothing new for the Finnish army! By the way I'm half Swedish and Italian and I manage a passable maccheroni Swedish but I find the Finnish language nearly impossible but my Swedish girlfriend that stayed in Helsinki for more than a year she had some difficulty too! Seriously I must go to Parola tank museum.....
Enjoyed this.
Thank the Deity we know how to adjust the track tension.
Does the automatic track tension system seem like a great convenience to you? Or are disappointed that there is no manual system? ;)
The CV9040 IFV mounts a modernised version of the good old 40mm Bofors. It flings the shell cases up through the turret roof.
We have special Finno-Uralic language so live with it :D
*Ralli-Englanti says hello* 🤣
Finland mentioned..torille
Great video
Thank You👍
Yesh, yesh!!! At last Chieftain comes to Finland.
it got buffed in war thunder semi recently with the addition of over preforming semi armor piercing clips.
terrorizer of low tier
Headshot with a 40mm... Was that the day they were showing Simo Häyhä this neat new thing they had rolling around?
The 40M Nimrod used by the Hungarian army is almost the same vehicle.
The guage which you seemed to struggle to understand is a british oil pressure guage. LB (pounds)/square inch (")
Mean machine!
ItPsv 41, another utterly OP anti-air/anti-tank gun system for the game. 0~o As for ejection of the 40mm, watching firings of the CV-90/40 IFV that Bofors does indeed eject forwards, and with great velocity (schwing!) of the spent casings as you said. ^~^ Boom head shoot! Alucard would be so proud. ^~^
The 40mm Bofors in the CV 9040 is the newer after war version of the gun, which has a completely different ejection mechanism and a bigger more powerful shell among a lot of other differences.
@@banaana1234 Yep, but still a Bofors, and still a 40mm. ^~^ with lots of schwing!
In the CV9040 the gun is actually mounted upside down, to be able to eject the casings through a roof hatch and supply the ammo from the bottom.
@@secularnevrosis The Swedes being the Swedes. ^~^ never let standing on one's head get in the way of a great IFV.
Oh please please please tell me we'll get the synergy of Chieftain doing an Inside the Hatch video on Mikka's BT-42 (y'know, the one where ACTAS directly lifted your camera angle from the BT-7 video to show Aki installing the steering wheel)...
Being about 5-2 I fit into a T-55 quite nicely. There is a long story there, but suffice to say I understand why in some countries short fellows as tank crew. I suspect that explains the popularity of the the T-54/55 series with many nations. That and they are cheap and relatively simple to maintain and operate. Not sure how this worked in Finland.
When you have conscription in effect, you can do things like that. In a professional army you might not have enough shorter guys enlisting to have good crews for more cramped designs.
Great video!
That’s how they win their fights. No one can say their words.
28:10
I have never jumped so hard in my life, my neck hurts and my heart is in pieces.
0:18
roughly it's "air defense tank 41"
Trying to decide if Ilmatorjuntapanssarivaunu would be Air Warding Armored Wagon, or Air Repelling. Literally speaking. Air Defense would probably be, the common term, as opposed to anti-air. Though, not an expert in any matter. :) Looking forward to seeing other objects from Parola. (Also, surprising lack of comments in the comments section about the national markings.)
Shhhh.don´t jinx it.🙃
Well, it is a WWII vehicle, so viewers either already know that the swastika was used by Finland since 1919, or (falsely) assume it is a German marking of some kind to prevent friendly fire on the Eastern front.
Had no idea it had a "computer". Really neat, guess the "gunners" just keep it centered and the commander can concentrate on range, speed, direction and lead. 🤔
Interesting and rare piece of equipment with some creative designs. Must've felt pretty crowded when fully manned though, seeing as the gun alone requires a crew of three all in the turret.
This is a nice change of pace. That turret is nicely laid out. Roomy without being wasteful.
You mentioned this being useful against ground as well as air targets. Did it have an AP shell, or was it simply used with the (presumably HE) anti-air shell against ground targets?
The 40mm has AP rounds
I suppose it wasn't used or useful against ground targets since they mentioned shooting down 11 aircraft
I doubt 40mm ap rounds would be useful, he from that thing is enough against light armor but ap isnt enough against medium tanks so why bother.
@@robertkalinic335 The AP rounds were rated to penetrate 45mm at 500m at 30°, so it has a good bit of power in it
Plenty to take out lighter tanks and medium tanks from the side
@@biomike01 Of course it goes through sides, but they are not supposed to expose them and very unlikely that you even get the chance. All kinds of light at cannons weaker than 40mm could pen mediums from sides and yet everybody in ww2 always tried to get gun that can pen front armor of enemy tanks.
Thanks for yet again an interesting video.
A question I've had and you tiped on the bit of room in the engine room.
Why is it even in modern tanks AA or MBT that not all ammo is stored seperate from the crew?
Akin a universal/bren carrier. Max protection ie armour for the squishy things and less for engine and ammo syrage.
The fuel akin Merkava on the outside. Akin S-tank in Jerrycans hanging beside the tracks.
The issue with keeping the ammo separate from the crew is that the crew really need that ammo to be accessible, and even the "deep storage" rounds need to be protected. A tank without ammo is not very effective. The usual efficient way to both protect it and keep it accessible is to keep it under the same armor as the crew. Unfortunately, if it comes down to the crew compartment being penetrated by a round that can set off ammunition, it is likely to have already rendered the tank ineffective via damage to the crew. By keeping both the crew and ammo close to one another you limit the area you need to put the maximum armor protection around.
Tanks such as the M1 Abrams are really the rare exception, and it is a tradeoff. Look at how much space and weight is set aside for that massive armored turret bustle. While I'd certainly say it is a worthwhile design compromise in exchange for better protection for the crew (and better ergonomics, since it keeps the turret otherwise clear of ammo and having the ammo all in one area makes loading relatively efficient compared to many historical designs that scattered ammo storage all over the tank), it is clear than many other tank designers would disagree (see the Leopard 2 ammo storage for comparison).
Interestingly, auto-loader evolution may actually favor separating the ammo from the crew in future tanks. The M1's ammo-in-bustle layout seems to be very well suited to space-efficient autoloaders such as that found on the Leclerc, Japanese Type 90, and Korean K2.
@@tacticalmanatee thanks, for a well put argument based on facts. Somewat rare on internet.
Yet, a ready rack bin of Leo2 or Abrams behind the loader should be sufficient I guess to when spent withdraw a bit and reload that from within the tank.
Simply place the turret in optimum reload position.
Further more reload from the back of the tank as in Merkava and S tank is then possible for the logistics.
I was a Leopard 1 driver and Dutch PRTL AA gunner trainee in 1981. (I won my cold war😎🤠) yet a disign flaw I was imo aware of of the upgrade digital German Gepard version is now in the same problem as T72 and deritives.
Sitting on top of 340+ 35 mm rounds. One RPG 7 and I'd of been history.
It should of been positioned in front and rear of the turret. Having the two crew gunner and vomander sit on the electronics bay.
If the AA tank is within range of RPG-7 fire, I would guess that things have already gone rather sideways. I'm not sure an RPG to the ammo would be much less survivable than an RPG hitting any other part of the turret body. The unfortunate crew inside is going to have a bad time regardless. The good news is that 340+ rounds of 35mm is probably capable of suppressing any AT rocket team foolish enough to fire on an AA tank unit. I can't even imagine the kind of carnage that would result from a Gepard engaging infantry.
Speaking of optimal loading position, one of the biggest benefits of the bustle storage, aside from the increased crew protection, is that every turret position is the optimal turret position for loading, since the ammo keeps in the same orientation. There is certainly a "sweet spot" of rounds in the part of the bustle rack closest to the loader and in the middle of the bustle hatch, but compared to the hull storage of something like a Leopard even the less optimal rounds in an M1's ammo rack are comparatively easy to get to. I'm not sure how many easily-reached ready rounds are available to a Leopard loader, but I'd assume it is less than the number of rounds in an M1's "sweet spot". The US Army no longer even uses the hull ammo storage for the M1 for ammunition, to the best of my knowledge. I suspect it's mostly used for stowing personal gear these days.
@@tacticalmanatee I see a lot of talk about Gepard engaging ground targets.
Indeed, then someting has gone wrong.
We trainend to engage ground targets by firing twice on 500 m and once on 1500 m because no laser or so distance measurement.
Twice first for two aa rounds the two AT rounds of the two 15 round carring in the external cheaks of the gun.
Then smoke and haul ass.
The Gepard PRTL is an AA system against low flying fast jets. Helicopters problem. We needed Stinger.
Drones wernt a problem in my time. Yet the arc of radar vision doesn't cover straight above.
And, even in my time a special forces even woth RPG7 or worse we needed at least a compagnie of infantry to protect us and get our pre prepared sites in order.
Infantry we lacked. And without training forget it. Camouflage telephone lines etc.
And Gepard had Rolamd on Marder, or we needed AMRAM Patriot for high flighing cover.
Very complicated logistics and repair train.
The Gepard is very high and very lightly armoured.
This was a refreshing conversation to read from people who know a thing or three about armored vehicles. One of the things I never liked about the M3 Bradley was the ammo stowage, as I recall 300 rounds of 25mm in the ready bins, cans of 25mm scattered all through the hull & under the troop compartment deck, plus racks for 10 TOW missiles. Another was fuel stowage, 30 gallons between the turret basket & engine compartment, another 150 gallons directly under the turret basket. I shuddered to think about taking hits surrounded by all that ammo, though. For recon work I much preferred the M113, because you knew basically anything could take you out, it made you very careful.
Would the filter on the sight not be to lessen the impact of glare from the snow as opposed to dealing with the sun directly?
"nothin' gets chocolate out!" - chief wiggum 😆
I believe there was a fourth man in the turret, a loader, who probably stood on the left behind the elevation trainer. The 40mm Bofors goes through those clips rather quickly and the other guys would have been too occupied with aiming to have time to load. The machine is supposed to have a crew of five, so a loader would account for the missing man.
Btw,. Parola, like all Finnish names, is pronounced with the accent on the first syllable, not the second. Bofors is not pronounced bow-forze but boo-force. Not a bad job on "panssarimuseo", though!
I was wondering about who would be loading the guns and was going to ask the Chieftain about it but no need now. Thanks.
Maybe the driver served as loader when engaging air targets while when firing at ground targets the commander could probably do that since there was less reason to manipulate the „ballistic lead computer“? 🤔
Then again, no reason to not have a fourth guy in the turret for that.
@@kimjanek646 The whole idea of having a mobile AA platform is to have an AA defense that can accompany a moving mechanized column or other formation and be able to react immediately when attacked. Thus, the driver would need to be driving even if the vehicle had to stop temporarily to open fire; there would be no time for him to change seats and he would need to be able to get the vehicle moving the moment the attack was past in order not to block the column and to keep up with the other vehicles. I can see very few situations in normal maneuvers (as in Finland in WW2) where the Anti would have needed to fire at ground targets. This is something that has become more common in recent military operations in urban and suburban areas where heavy AA vehicles (e.g., 35mm or 57mm twin cannon) have been used to shoot through house walls to eliminate snipers, machine gun emplacements etc.
I see that you learned an important technical term from Ian.