This situation honestly should've caused nationwide protests. The fact that a state was in this much of a rush to execute someone despite increasing amounts of doubt added to the conviction. This is like THE textbook example of why the death penalty shouldn't be a thing. A life sentence accomplishes the same thing and these sentences can at least be retroactively reversed when evidence for the conviction is brought into question and re-evaluated.
The entire US justice system is fucked from the bottom up. For-profit prisons: insane. Retributive justice: makes society significantly worse. Cops with qualified immunity: rampant abuse built into the system.
@BleedForTheWorld the current presidential term has seen (just to name a few examples) 1 in 3 US women lose reproductive autonomy a person who attempted to coup being allowed to run for president narcotic deaths increase by tens of thousands per year more than 600 mass shootings each year aid to Ukraine delayed by more than 6 months since October last year 1 in 50 Palestinians confirmed killed by US funded, armed, and politically endorsed Israeli forces. The Taliban getting more than a billion dollars worth of US military weapons and equipment as the US forces retreated, and turning the country into an extremely brutal religious dictatorship. Women's voices aren't allowed to be heard in public: on pain of whipping Are you sure you know what "liberal" means?
But also if the cops think you are too broken up, guilty for not preventing it in some miraculous way, they will try to get you for causing the death on purpose. There was a guy who couldn't get over not being able to pull his 2 daughters from a fire so the state killed him for it, making up a theory that he set the fire. This man was so emotionally destroyed by losing his children, that he was no match for prosecutors wanting to get a high profile conviction. Experts confirmed that the fire was not set by anyone, it was a horrific accident.
@@knightofthenorth926 no if I actually did blow positively for a drug or fail a test then I agree I should be punished same S anyone. However you should not use a mental illness or a typical behavior as be all end all proof I’m guilty when a normal person in the same accident would have been let go are you listening man?
I have major depressive disorder adhd and ptsd. I got in a minor harmless fender bender. The cops took me emotional state (crying red glassy eyes difficulty speaking shaking and panic). As signs that I was high on something and they made me go through like 25 sobriety tests. I passed. Because I was sober. But it was humiliation and terrifying. You can just fail them if you lose your balance or something or there’s a wind or it’s raining or dark. It’s totally subjective. It’s inhuman to judge people with autism because “you didn’t act like I would act”. That’s not evidence. Human consciousness is a whole spectrum of things some of them we don’t understand ourselves but that’s not the same as dangerous. If I were black in the inner city my hysterical attempt to speak and gasp through words might get me shot.
@@tetrasphere8165sweetheart, 2 true thing can be true. There's no "1 weird trick" to fix a racist authoritarian system. Try to learn instead of being clever, because you couldn't be any worse at learning that you are at being clever.
The idea that someone isn't reacting in the right way to trauma is ridiculous at the base level, neurotypical or not. People have different reactions cause they have different life experiences. I really hate the "body language experts" if you find an honest one they will basically tell you it's entirely subjective and is not a form of evidence, cops use these ideas to help justify their suspicions, which is just redundant.
7:33 During the height of his murder spree, two cops potentially could've caught the Zodiac Killer, who allegedly drove right past him. Below is a cipher left by the Zodiac Killer recounting the event "p.s. 2 cops pulled a goof abot 3 min after I left the cab. I was walking down the hill to the park when this cop car pulled up + one of them called me over + asked if I saw anyone acting suspicious or strange in the last 5 to 10 min + I said yes there was this man who was runnig [sic] by waveing [sic] a gun & the cops peeled rubber + went around the corner as I directed them + I disappeared into the park a block + a half away never to be seen again". According to the SFPD, this was because the two cops were told to be looking for a black man and payed no attention to him. I know I might be coming across as a soy true crime listener type but I think this example really drives home this point Vaush brought up
Ah yes, you’ve cracked the code-or should I say created it, like you were there that night with the Zodiac himself! Maybe you were the one who gave the cops that little "suggestion" to go peel rubber around the corner, huh? I can see it now... *Lights cigarette, accidentally ignites red string and corckboard of evidence*
I've had a cop follow me on his Suv in an incredibly obvious manner to and from a store. Literally following behind me on the road at walking pace. He finally gunned the engine and swooped right in front of me in the entrance to parking lot. He asked for ID etc but I asked what all that was about. They were looking for a kid half my age (early 20's compared to 40) who was having a mental health episode. I'm sure following him for a mile like a weirdo would have helped him😮
Mr Vaush: Thank you so much for saying what so many are reluctant to say publicly for various reasons! As a 65 year old black man whose older brother was a grassroots civil rights activist who allowed me to participate in the movement as a 12 year old, I am heartened by your commentary regarding not just this situation, but other equally important matters regarding race in America. It takes courage and heart to do what you do, especially in this current climate of division and strife. Thanks again! Peace and love to you and yours. Please stay safe!!❤😊
The worse the crime is perceived to be, the less evidence you need to convict and carry out the sentence. Until we overcome this impulse I don't think anything will change 😔.
Nah disagree. Don’t get me wrong what you’re saying is true and exists broadly in the system of public opinion at least. But in this case, this was just evil people forced it through. The prosecuting attorney was against the execution, there was racial bias in the jury selection, evidence was contaminated a/o did not indict Williams. Everyone knew this, but the state wanted to force it through for “finality,” aka they didn’t want to have to deal with him in the system anymore. I reject your fatalistic acceptance of this, and say it is evil and was not inevitable, all us still alive let it happen
"We need to openly address and deal with the fact that White People have been absolutely monstrous to Black People...especially Black Men/Boys where we at best maliciously neglect them and at worst look for reasons to justify killing them and until we as a society put as much focus and prioritization on fixing this problem we have with trying to correct sexism/misogyny with White Women/Girls then this will keep happening"
You'd think the fact that innocent people have been executed before would be enough to prove that the death penalty is fundamentally flawed and should never be used. Sadly, logic and reason doesn't always win.
it doesn't help when you have severely emotional people asking to bring back the death penalty every time an actually awful person commits a crime like what happened to the Brianna Ghey case. I'm not saying emotions or anger on the transphobia and misogyny is bad, but people seem to lack self-awareness on the implications of what they are asking for when they are too high on emotions to think clearly. There were many comments under Vaush's video on the case trying to justify executing minors.
This is made even clearer when you remember a lot of these elder politicians around today grew up during the era of Jim Crow. It really wasn't that long ago.
My mom’s highschool was evacuated because kids were being violent during integration! It wasn’t that long ago. (And the local press speculated that the violence was caused by communists. Because nothing changes. )
This is also psychological torture. Imagine having this constantly stalled and then re-instated. And then hearing that they know you might be innocent. It's all too much even for a bystander. Imagine being this man.
Ive said this before and ill say this again, "To kill a mockingbird" was never fiction, history is just a never ending loop and we are just spiraling down towards the abyss
Yeaaaah, reading that book was devastating to me as a teen. "Wait, what do you mean they unanimously found him guilty, anyone with a pair of eyes can see he can't have done it!"
the autistic guy getting convicted of murder for not acting sufficiently emotional after a family member's death is literally just the outsider by albert camus. that is just the plot of that book.
@theawsomegodsause I think OP's only referring the beginning of the book rather than "the plot of the [entire] book" as they said. It's been a long time, but I remember that the first few chapters featured many people's negative reactions to the narrator's perceived apathy. Then later, Narrator does murder a young Algerian (I think?) man, completely unprovoked.
That's not at all what L'Étranger is about, I can see where you're coming from bc the POV wouldn't have been executed if he wasn't so honestly nonchalant to freak out the other colonial french, but he shot a guy because it was hot out.
My autistic "flat effect" has repeatedly made me the prime suspect when people are looking for someone to blame. After a while I learned it was easier to do whatever I wanted and lie about it than trying to be a good, honest person. Took me a long time to undo that "sociopathic" mindset
I have these cards that notifies the police of my autism and it also says how they should respond and communicate with me. I am terrified of the day where a cop doesn't read it and throws it away and does some kinda shit to me like this. I was already really close when they put me in an interrogation room and i was able to explain my innocence to a different cop.
Both witnesses that testified against Williams were black and only the cellmate demanded the reward and would only receive it if Williams was convicted.
When prosecutors and the victim's family is pleading to spare the man you know something is severely wrong. I live in Missouri, we have to have one of the worst state governments in all the land. And when I was young we were a purple state smh.
@@christopherbrice5473 The facts and evidence specifically do not add up to a Murder 1 conviction. That's the point. They convicted him on dirty testimony and ruined evidence.
@@jameshart3879 No, I read the court docs and case files. But oh well bro believe all women except for when they turn in a murderer who then gets caught twice with the victim's property
Even if you have no moral or emotional objections to it, the fact that it's objectively a stupid-ass idea that does absolutely nothing beneficial is an automatic reason to be against it.
It's beyond appalling that the main thing they have on Robert is "Oh, he didn't react super strongly". Like... Man, I'm autistic, and have muted emotions. It's really deeply worrying that *THAT* somehow is enough evidence. When my dad died, I didn't cry until the funeral.
the US is standing side by side with the other shining lights of morality, jurisprudence and separation of power that practice capital punishment: China, Iran, Saudi Arabia and Egypt....
This is why the death penalty is amoral and needs to be banned federally. In a system that fundamentally can't always get the right guy, a permanent and irreversible punishment cannot be allowed to exist.
@@Ginkoman2In cases like this, I think that if something is so blatantly useless, it doesn't even need to be debated on ethical grounds because it being a stupid-ass idea is already an automatic disqualifier.
The dude still had her calculator and ruler in his car months after the murder, confessed to killing her to his girlfriend who brought this to the police and refused the reward, and sold her laptop three days after she died. Clearly, it wasn't the known burglar who was arrested literally in the act of another home invasion a week later, who killed the woman in the botched burglary. If you do not believe this is enough evidence to convict a murderer, then you literally believe 99% of all murder convictions are wrong, and that 99%+ of murderers should go free (we currently fail to find and convict approximately 20% of murders, btw). That is literally the level of scrutiny you must apply. A witness came forward with information that was not released to the public at the time (this is the big one, and is the main point of evidence in literally 80%+ of real murder trials). He had multiple of her possessions still in his possession months later. He was a known and *proven* violent offender (the facts in a prior case were not disputed). He was a known and *proven* burglar (literally on video, the facts of the prior case were not in dispute). This is beyond the gold standard. Almost no murderer is ever going to leave behind more evidence than this.
The word innocent is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. The evidence by his girlfriend is sketchy but this man is far from innocent. Was in jail for armed robbery, his approx 150th felony.
friendly reminder that the letal injecton starts with a powerful paralytic and then follow with a weak anesthetic before the lehtal injection so its likley he felt everything with no way of telling other that he is in pain.
@@anthonyrowland9072 Yeah, it does. Lethal injections are notorious for being laughably inhumane, and has even been described (by botched executees), to feel like "fire being poured into your veins".
6:50 are you telling me you need real evidence to convict a black man?? Also, it's funny how they wanted to convert the death sentence to life in prison after they found mounting evidence he was *innocent*. Like, if you are black and get charged, the only options are life in prison or literally dying. Innocenxe is not contemplated.
@@gamakujira64e23 "guilty until proven innocent” for blacks "innocent until proven guilty" for whites more IQ more responsibility more rights, thats how the world works.
So the girlfriend knows the guy who actually did it, gave her boyfriend the laptop to sell it, heard about the reward money and attempted to frame the boyfriend.
Why did the cellmate who has no connection to her testify that Marcellus confessed to committing the murder in prison? Either you think there is a conspiracy between the cellmate and his gf to frame him which has a like 1/1000000000 possibility or the more obvious answer which is he is more guilty than guilt itself.
I still think it's insane that "body language experts" are considered real credible sources when 99.99% of their bullshit is probably just making shit up about autistic people.
@@AegixDrakan Yeah similar to me as I'm Autistic. I do have some facial expressions but don't always react to every situation like other people do even though I likely feel the same as other people in the moment.
The Innocence Project does great work. Barry Scheck is a national treasure and a true American hero. Donate if you can. Almost all the work they do on behalf of wrongfully convicted people is pro bono.
Barry Scheck was on OJ Simpson's legal defense team. They routinely lie and muddy the water to get enough doubt so that guilty people get released. One such case, Sheldon Johnson, became an emassador that went on Joe Rogan. And then shortly after went and unalived another person. How can you guys actually be so blind?
Bro Barry Scheck was a key part of the OJ Simpson defense. They lie and obfuscate to get guilty people out on the streets, who go on to reoffend. Don't believe me, look up Sheldon Johnson.
I remember in Jr High I had to read this book that sounded a lot like this... Something about killing a Mockingbird? It was like... a really well known book. Guess Governor Parsons never read it.
Yeah, there was that moment in the book. A jury unanimously convicts a black man with no left arm of striking someone whose injuries were almost exclusively from a left arm.... and her jerk of a father is left-handed.
One reason why I never was for capital punishment, even as a conservative, is because I don’t want the state to have such perverse powers, now I realize they exists to be perverse..
Vaush should really consider getting a mod or something done about all the right-wing trolls and the hateful, ableist shit in the comments dealt with. Its genuinely getting outta hand and he needs to stop ignoring it and start moderating his comment section.
In general, almost any defense lawyer would advise his client to NOT testify in his own defense because you are then open to cross examination by the prosecution. The right to remain silent extends to the courtroom.
Vaush's point on True Crime podcasts often framing situations as not police malpractice is so on point. Anyone who wants to hear a podcast where the presenters are rightfully critical of the police should listed to Last Podcast on the Left.
Whether you testify in your own trial typically depends whether your lawyer thinks you can present well on the stand. Since you can't legally be obligated to testify against yourself, it's up to the defense and whether they think it would help their case.
shaken baby syndrome itself is discredited. There are hundreds, at least, of people in prison for crimes they provably did not commit. They may have been shitty caregivers but they did not harm the child.
As much as you joked about it being a "true crime" scene, this is actually good journalistic integrity. This is what ALL OF US SHOULD BE DOING every time there is a news story that might affect our political opinions. Check multiple articles, compare them to each other, and seek out all sides of the argument to arrive at the most objective position possible.
Looking at all this makes me, in a super screwed up way, kind of grateful that the crime my dad's in prison for was committed in broad daylight in front of a police station, with multiple witnesses there who tried to help my mom. Makes things more clear-cut.
Our local story that all the forensics students learn: there was a series of crimes that went unsolved until- A fibre! A distinctive blue fibre! Found on multiple pieces of evidence! If we can just find where it is from… Any guesses? If you guessed “The prosecutor likes to take evidence out of its baggie and lay it down on my carpet to look at together” you’ve won! 🏆
There is also a story of the mysterious DNA appearing in the evidence all across the US that turns out to be the DNA of one factory worker in the packing facility of a "cotton swab" factory.
And NOW Vaush finally grasps why I enjoy indie true crime. The justice system is fucked up, and if an independent true crime podcaster or RUclipsr is conscientious about what they're doing, you can actually challenge your preconceptions and learn something about systemic issues in society. If you happen to be a thoughtful and principled anarcho-leaning person, you can also listen to less skeptical podcasts with a knowledge of common issues with the justice system, and compare different podcasts to each other in an exercise of critical thinking. The best indie coverage of True Crime, though, in my opinion, is the kind of stuff Vaush is doing with this right now. Drawing attention to a case where systemic injustice occurred to help combat this societal ill. Cases where innocent people are wrongfully convicted and attention is drawn to police misconduct as a matter that requires change is a good that independent TC creators can do, especially by highlighting the unsolved cases of minorities whose families haven't seen justice, like cases of Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women.
True crime would have been ok if the youtubers who make content on it treat the case respectfully, but all I got are awful youtubers making fun of victims while eating and doing make-up and talking about horrific crimes like it's some spill the tea gossip.
The thing that doesn’t make sense is how did the jury reach beyond a reasonable doubt. If you’re just going off of witness testimony and the DNA Evidence doesn’t cooperate that I don’t know how you can convict.
I'm all for capital punishment (unless you have the CORRECT person who did the crime). Now far too many incidents of cases like this need to be changed to life in prison. This is a gross miscarriage of justice in the highest order.
Tbf it was more-so sabotaged and undone. The self-interested tyrants of today have the same interests as the plantation enslavers back then. Their class interest compels them to evil. The most valuable piece of human capital remains the sort you don’t have to pay. We must take it on ourselves to peruse a new, true reconstruction.
7:11 on my favourite true crime podcasts Crime Junkie makes it a pretty big point to go into detail about police incompetence in a lot of their stories. Definitely not the norm, but I do appreciate it being covered. Like 80% of the cases they covered had me more mad at the callousness and negligence of the police than whatever inbred dumbfuck actually committed the murder. Even famous cases like Jeffrey Dahmer had police completely ignoring warning signs (like one of his drugged child victims escaping his house and running into cops, yelling at them that he was in danger).
Okay, I feel off about the thought "Well, it will most likely happen anyways so it makes no sense trying to send my huge stream platform to help. You will just get annoying." Vaush isn't wrong, most likely. It was very very late to get him off the death penalty. But we aren't even necessarily talking about PREVENTING the death sentence. It might've helped him, it might've not. But it would've brought an INTENSE amount of numbers there to bring attention to the issue. Vaush's ENTIRE CHANNEL is an example of building things long-term with singular acts (videos). Why shoot this down so soon at the beginning of the stream when he himself has said "You will not experience the better world, you will fight and die for a better world for others" type stuff? It's just bizarre to me.
Millions of people in the past fought, suffered, and died so that we could be here today. And we will do the same for those yet to be born. It’s plainly true, and we can pretend it isn’t the case, but by doing so we lay the groundwork for the nihilistic doomerism that is so endemic to online circles. It doesn’t matter if we won’t get to see the future we want. All that matters is that some people eventually will if our cause succeeds, which is reason enough to stay on a righteous path
It's usually the exact same people who are both, too. Although "pro life" part is a lie, because the moment you're born your life no longer matters to them.
@@reinaemiyaConsidering the Evangelical Right invented this idea to give Republicans a wedge issue to leverage, the issue is simple: People are raised in a cult and taught what to be outraged about.
It's not pro-life, it's pro-birth. Fetus is apparently alive but not a person, neither is a child. Once an adult, you're free but not need to be alive.
Vaush you are so right about true crime. I’ve consumed true crime content for over a decade and I have heard police incompetence ruining investigations more often than solving them. It is very frustrating and sad, especially bc a lot of other true crime consumers refuse to see/admit it.
Kinda varies with true crime, like there's some cases where the criminal gets away with it because the police are just lazy and ignore warning signs of a serial killer or they end up in denial about it or something... Other times maybe they didn't have the technology invented for DNA or perhaps the evidence they did have was not considered reliable yet and like maybe the criminal was exceptionally cautious to avoid being caught but then it finally ends because of one officer who is extremely clever and catches the criminal with a ton of evidence...
I feel like it's wild that we basically saw this kind of case play out in the original Twelve Angry Men, and even in that fucking ancient movie the accused man was declared innocent, not because he Couldn't be guilty, but because he Could be innocent. Just baffling that movies were criticizing exactly this process back then and we're still seeing this bullshit now. For the record, I personally think it's likely he did it. I feel enough points to that for my personal, non-legal opinion. But I'm not sure, and that unsuredness as seen in basically everyonr handling this case who wasn't a piece of shit is such a glaring sign that this execution should never have happened. I don't care if he did it, on a broader scale. I care that this is an example of the law absolutely failing someone and getting them murdered under the pretense of execution. Even ignoring personal loss, Legally this is a fucking travesty. The precedent this sets is incredibly dangerous; no more 'beyond a reasonable doubt' needed.
I think there's nothing significant to indicate he did it. Testimony from people with a clear conflict of interest is worthless, and the lack of hard evidence is so severe the only responsible conclusion is that it's impossible to draw one. I have no clue what people are basing the idea that he's likely guilty off.
Simon whistlers casual criminalist true crime podcast actually calls out cops incompetence all the time, at lzast when i listened to it. Its pretty good IMO
Run into the "you lack empathy" accusations before bc of my ASD. More light-hearted example: Had the time of my life at vacation one summer in middle school, but got lectured for wasting my stepdad's time and money by "acting miserable and ungrateful the whole time." Why? I don't smile. I don't make eye contact. And once that week I had to go back to the hotel because I had sensory overload. And apparently that meant I hated the whole thing, somehow. F'in neurotypicals, man
This situation honestly should've caused nationwide protests. The fact that a state was in this much of a rush to execute someone despite increasing amounts of doubt added to the conviction. This is like THE textbook example of why the death penalty shouldn't be a thing. A life sentence accomplishes the same thing and these sentences can at least be retroactively reversed when evidence for the conviction is brought into question and re-evaluated.
The entire US justice system is fucked from the bottom up. For-profit prisons: insane. Retributive justice: makes society significantly worse. Cops with qualified immunity: rampant abuse built into the system.
Also life sentences are less expensive.
@@BleedForTheWorld What the fuck do you think a public outcry for a stay of execution is?
@@Drilling249That person is one of those "leftist means being purer-than-thou" types who call Vaush a lib. Can't expect coherent thought from 'em.
@BleedForTheWorld the current presidential term has seen (just to name a few examples)
1 in 3 US women lose reproductive autonomy
a person who attempted to coup being allowed to run for president
narcotic deaths increase by tens of thousands per year
more than 600 mass shootings each year
aid to Ukraine delayed by more than 6 months
since October last year 1 in 50 Palestinians confirmed killed by US funded, armed, and politically endorsed Israeli forces.
The Taliban getting more than a billion dollars worth of US military weapons and equipment as the US forces retreated, and turning the country into an extremely brutal religious dictatorship. Women's voices aren't allowed to be heard in public: on pain of whipping
Are you sure you know what "liberal" means?
Governor Parsons had his phones turned off for days before the execution. These cowards can't even listen to their own people.
Nobody wants to be reminded that they are possibly a sociopath.
surely he knows he is wrong
Sociopaths don't need to hide from their guilt @@dootu
THEY WANT TO RULE.
NOT TO REPRESENT.
@@dootuSociopathy has nothing to do with it, just conservative ideology.
Imagine losing your child in a faultless accident, and then being sentenced to death because you didn't look sad enough 😭
Brother in the current era of the internet that emoji is the new laughing one
But also if the cops think you are too broken up, guilty for not preventing it in some miraculous way, they will try to get you for causing the death on purpose. There was a guy who couldn't get over not being able to pull his 2 daughters from a fire so the state killed him for it, making up a theory that he set the fire. This man was so emotionally destroyed by losing his children, that he was no match for prosecutors wanting to get a high profile conviction. Experts confirmed that the fire was not set by anyone, it was a horrific accident.
@@KavsLockedOut really? Does it look different on other device brands or something? Looks terribly sad on mine
@@knightofthenorth926 nah its a cultural shift kinda thing
@@knightofthenorth926 no if I actually did blow positively for a drug or fail a test then I agree I should be punished same S anyone. However you should not use a mental illness or a typical behavior as be all end all proof I’m guilty when a normal person in the same accident would have been let go are you listening man?
I have major depressive disorder adhd and ptsd. I got in a minor harmless fender bender. The cops took me emotional state (crying red glassy eyes difficulty speaking shaking and panic). As signs that I was high on something and they made me go through like 25 sobriety tests. I passed. Because I was sober. But it was humiliation and terrifying. You can just fail them if you lose your balance or something or there’s a wind or it’s raining or dark. It’s totally subjective.
It’s inhuman to judge people with autism because “you didn’t act like I would act”. That’s not evidence. Human consciousness is a whole spectrum of things some of them we don’t understand ourselves but that’s not the same as dangerous.
If I were black in the inner city my hysterical attempt to speak and gasp through words might get me shot.
You're making the argument that I isn't a race thing. It's emotion. Which is true. Steve erkel wouldn't be treated poorly
@@tetrasphere8165sweetheart, 2 true thing can be true. There's no "1 weird trick" to fix a racist authoritarian system. Try to learn instead of being clever, because you couldn't be any worse at learning that you are at being clever.
The idea that someone isn't reacting in the right way to trauma is ridiculous at the base level, neurotypical or not. People have different reactions cause they have different life experiences. I really hate the "body language experts" if you find an honest one they will basically tell you it's entirely subjective and is not a form of evidence, cops use these ideas to help justify their suspicions, which is just redundant.
@@HarryDirtay Oof, you did tetra dirtay, Harry
its cruel to judge everyone based on your own hypothetical reaction. even neurotypical have a range of possible reactions
7:33 During the height of his murder spree, two cops potentially could've caught the Zodiac Killer, who allegedly drove right past him. Below is a cipher left by the Zodiac Killer recounting the event
"p.s. 2 cops pulled a goof abot 3 min after I left the cab. I was walking down the hill to the park when this cop car pulled up + one of them called me over + asked if I saw anyone acting suspicious or strange in the last 5 to 10 min + I said yes there was this man who was runnig [sic] by waveing [sic] a gun & the cops peeled rubber + went around the corner as I directed them + I disappeared into the park a block + a half away never to be seen again".
According to the SFPD, this was because the two cops were told to be looking for a black man and payed no attention to him.
I know I might be coming across as a soy true crime listener type but I think this example really drives home this point Vaush brought up
We can still find Ted Cruz if we try
Ah yes, you’ve cracked the code-or should I say created it, like you were there that night with the Zodiac himself! Maybe you were the one who gave the cops that little "suggestion" to go peel rubber around the corner, huh? I can see it now... *Lights cigarette, accidentally ignites red string and corckboard of evidence*
@@RealBradMiller Schizo posting in Vaush's comment section feels right
@AychSkwaird i think its meant to be a joke
I've had a cop follow me on his Suv in an incredibly obvious manner to and from a store. Literally following behind me on the road at walking pace. He finally gunned the engine and swooped right in front of me in the entrance to parking lot. He asked for ID etc but I asked what all that was about. They were looking for a kid half my age (early 20's compared to 40) who was having a mental health episode. I'm sure following him for a mile like a weirdo would have helped him😮
Mr Vaush: Thank you so much for saying what so many are reluctant to say publicly for various reasons! As a 65 year old black man whose older brother was a grassroots civil rights activist who allowed me to participate in the movement as a 12 year old, I am heartened by your commentary regarding not just this situation, but other equally important matters regarding race in America. It takes courage and heart to do what you do, especially in this current climate of division and strife. Thanks again! Peace and love to you and yours. Please stay safe!!❤😊
Peace and love and look after yourself! I love seeing how many folks in these replies care and are still out there doing the work ❤
The worse the crime is perceived to be, the less evidence you need to convict and carry out the sentence. Until we overcome this impulse I don't think anything will change 😔.
Nah disagree. Don’t get me wrong what you’re saying is true and exists broadly in the system of public opinion at least. But in this case, this was just evil people forced it through. The prosecuting attorney was against the execution, there was racial bias in the jury selection, evidence was contaminated a/o did not indict Williams. Everyone knew this, but the state wanted to force it through for “finality,” aka they didn’t want to have to deal with him in the system anymore. I reject your fatalistic acceptance of this, and say it is evil and was not inevitable, all us still alive let it happen
"We need to openly address and deal with the fact that White People have been absolutely monstrous to Black People...especially Black Men/Boys where we at best maliciously neglect them and at worst look for reasons to justify killing them and until we as a society put as much focus and prioritization on fixing this problem we have with trying to correct sexism/misogyny with White Women/Girls then this will keep happening"
Which is why criminal justice should be held to the highest possible standard of scientific evidence and minimize the role of emotional bias.
there are laws technically... just somehow those can be circumvented if the judge really wants to.
Unless you are a republican nominee
You'd think the fact that innocent people have been executed before would be enough to prove that the death penalty is fundamentally flawed and should never be used.
Sadly, logic and reason doesn't always win.
it doesn't help when you have severely emotional people asking to bring back the death penalty every time an actually awful person commits a crime like what happened to the Brianna Ghey case. I'm not saying emotions or anger on the transphobia and misogyny is bad, but people seem to lack self-awareness on the implications of what they are asking for when they are too high on emotions to think clearly. There were many comments under Vaush's video on the case trying to justify executing minors.
As an autistic person being described as suspicious is Fr one of my biggest fears
This is made even clearer when you remember a lot of these elder politicians around today grew up during the era of Jim Crow. It really wasn't that long ago.
My mom’s highschool was evacuated because kids were being violent during integration! It wasn’t that long ago.
(And the local press speculated that the violence was caused by communists. Because nothing changes. )
This is also psychological torture. Imagine having this constantly stalled and then re-instated. And then hearing that they know you might be innocent. It's all too much even for a bystander. Imagine being this man.
Cry about it.
@@eriksvensson6054 Wym?
Ive said this before and ill say this again, "To kill a mockingbird" was never fiction, history is just a never ending loop and we are just spiraling down towards the abyss
Yeaaaah, reading that book was devastating to me as a teen. "Wait, what do you mean they unanimously found him guilty, anyone with a pair of eyes can see he can't have done it!"
the autistic guy getting convicted of murder for not acting sufficiently emotional after a family member's death is literally just the outsider by albert camus. that is just the plot of that book.
Another translation would be the foreigner
Camus sometimes did good social commentary
the guy from the stranger shot someone because.... ? he actually committed murder just because he was like sad
@theawsomegodsause I think OP's only referring the beginning of the book rather than "the plot of the [entire] book" as they said.
It's been a long time, but I remember that the first few chapters featured many people's negative reactions to the narrator's perceived apathy.
Then later, Narrator does murder a young Algerian (I think?) man, completely unprovoked.
That's not at all what L'Étranger is about, I can see where you're coming from bc the POV wouldn't have been executed if he wasn't so honestly nonchalant to freak out the other colonial french, but he shot a guy because it was hot out.
Yeah, except... except it's nothing like that, because the character from the book actually *did* murder someone :D
Pisses me off that people are trying to turn this into a "voting doesn't work" thing when this could've entirely been prevented by voting.
My autistic "flat effect" has repeatedly made me the prime suspect when people are looking for someone to blame. After a while I learned it was easier to do whatever I wanted and lie about it than trying to be a good, honest person. Took me a long time to undo that "sociopathic" mindset
Stop behaving oddly
@@eriksvensson6054 is that the trick? Damn, must be like depressed people "just cheering up" or ethnic minorities not being so... ethnic 🤷
@@eriksvensson6054 wow, im sure they never thought of that before and will now immediately implement this in their life with ease
@@paIeville It isn't that hard
@@eriksvensson6054 woah buddy no one needs to know about your erectile dysfunction!
> "obvious and covered in like 2 minutes"
> video is 29 minutes long
He's operating off of dragon ball namek time
my immediate thought lol
😂
I immediately went to the replies hoping to see this.
@@Automata_Eve And I wanted o make the comparison. Someone also meat me to making a DBZ Namek time joke. Man, Vaush's fans are on point with this one.
The prosecutors were against this. That is the immovable rock moving and the Supreme court and Gov. Was like fuck it.
To be fair, the prosecutor rescinded their assertion of innocence after it was clarified that the DNA was the result of contaminated evidence.
As was the victim's family smh
I have these cards that notifies the police of my autism and it also says how they should respond and communicate with me. I am terrified of the day where a cop doesn't read it and throws it away and does some kinda shit to me like this. I was already really close when they put me in an interrogation room and i was able to explain my innocence to a different cop.
This is horrifying and I'm so sorry
@Nazinsky I was lucky that there was a cop nearby that actually understood autism and intervened to help me out
says “jake the snake”
@@Choppy247 named after the famous wrestler
@@jakethesnake2511you don’t have autism
The reasoning of course is racism.
Evidence?
@@The-Black-RobinDon't need evidence when we both know this would never have happened if he had a different skin color
Both witnesses that testified against Williams were black and only the cellmate demanded the reward and would only receive it if Williams was convicted.
@@pixel6698the state of Texas has executed plenty of white men.
@@The-Black-Robin Parsons pardoned the Mccloskeys but refuses to pardon black men on death row
When prosecutors and the victim's family is pleading to spare the man you know something is severely wrong. I live in Missouri, we have to have one of the worst state governments in all the land. And when I was young we were a purple state smh.
It amazes me that we have a "Beyond reasonable doubt" conviction process, and just sanctioned a state murder with shit loads of doubt
Conservatives don't believe in silly things like reasonable standards of evidence, silly. Vibes are totally enough.
What doubt? Use facts and evidence from the case files, not articles quoting the defense
@@christopherbrice5473 The facts and evidence specifically do not add up to a Murder 1 conviction. That's the point. They convicted him on dirty testimony and ruined evidence.
@@christopherbrice5473 you obviously did not watch the video
@@jameshart3879 No, I read the court docs and case files. But oh well bro believe all women except for when they turn in a murderer who then gets caught twice with the victim's property
America: "I can't believe the Aztecs practiced human sacrifice. How barbaric."
Also America:
Much of that is based upon propoganda of the catholic church.
Except in america its based and done according to law.
@@eriksvensson6054 So were the lynchings of Black folk
@@eriksvensson6054 When the kkk were murdering Black folk it was done 'legally' as well.
@@nunyabiznes7446 What the Aztecas did is nothing compared to the Plantagenists in Europe.
I feel like this case makes a mockery of the concept of "beyond reasonable doubt"
It's far from the only one.
Except there's a lot of evidence for this one.
Exactly. It goes to show that people will go to great lengths to ignore it because of the perpetrator's race
The shaun video is still the best examination of the death penalty. It is just a bad policy to have
I stumbled on it way before I was a leftist, and I credit that video with changing my mind on the death penalty. Very well reasoned.
Even if you have no moral or emotional objections to it, the fact that it's objectively a stupid-ass idea that does absolutely nothing beneficial is an automatic reason to be against it.
Shaun and Philosohy Tube is what makes me against death penalty 100%
It's beyond appalling that the main thing they have on Robert is "Oh, he didn't react super strongly". Like... Man, I'm autistic, and have muted emotions. It's really deeply worrying that *THAT* somehow is enough evidence.
When my dad died, I didn't cry until the funeral.
This is why we have to get rid of the death penalty
The fact that this shit is possible is completely despicable
the US is standing side by side with the other shining lights of morality, jurisprudence and separation of power that practice capital punishment: China, Iran, Saudi Arabia and Egypt....
The governor literally pardoned a drunk driver who had a prior road rage offense. So it's not like he's mr law and order.
you need to get rid of the death penalty. It’s just embarrassing for a democracy to have a death penalty.
the governor probably bought front-row tickets to the execution and was furious that it was stayed.
On Vaush pointing out the GF bringing attention to herself: A lot of criminals are not competent, but they are aided by incompetent law enforcement.
This is why the death penalty is amoral and needs to be banned federally. In a system that fundamentally can't always get the right guy, a permanent and irreversible punishment cannot be allowed to exist.
The death sentence is barbaric and immoral.
also it doesnt work as a deterrence and is immensely costly for the state, both monetary and ethically
But giving the same sentence in the womb is?
@@Ginkoman2In cases like this, I think that if something is so blatantly useless, it doesn't even need to be debated on ethical grounds because it being a stupid-ass idea is already an automatic disqualifier.
@@dueldab2117 a fetus ≠ a living, breathing, viable person who is capable of complex thought and emotion.
@@dueldab2117fully grown human being ≠ being that hasn't even taken a breath.
rest in peace, Marcellus Williams. another innocent man murdered by hatred.
not even close to innocent. plenty of evidence against him. dna found on knife was from investigators
The dude still had her calculator and ruler in his car months after the murder, confessed to killing her to his girlfriend who brought this to the police and refused the reward, and sold her laptop three days after she died. Clearly, it wasn't the known burglar who was arrested literally in the act of another home invasion a week later, who killed the woman in the botched burglary.
If you do not believe this is enough evidence to convict a murderer, then you literally believe 99% of all murder convictions are wrong, and that 99%+ of murderers should go free (we currently fail to find and convict approximately 20% of murders, btw). That is literally the level of scrutiny you must apply. A witness came forward with information that was not released to the public at the time (this is the big one, and is the main point of evidence in literally 80%+ of real murder trials). He had multiple of her possessions still in his possession months later. He was a known and *proven* violent offender (the facts in a prior case were not disputed). He was a known and *proven* burglar (literally on video, the facts of the prior case were not in dispute).
This is beyond the gold standard. Almost no murderer is ever going to leave behind more evidence than this.
@@ASDeckardthe,prosecutors office said he was innocent. Do you think you know more and better than they do? Do tell.
The word innocent is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. The evidence by his girlfriend is sketchy but this man is far from innocent. Was in jail for armed robbery, his approx 150th felony.
@@joelamaro4525 my bad, I misread the other guy's comment somehow.
friendly reminder that the letal injecton starts with a powerful paralytic and then follow with a weak anesthetic before the lehtal injection so its likley he felt everything with no way of telling other that he is in pain.
Thanx fren 🤗
No it doesn't...
@@anthonyrowland9072 Yeah, it does. Lethal injections are notorious for being laughably inhumane, and has even been described (by botched executees), to feel like "fire being poured into your veins".
@@anthonyrowland9072 what do you mean? ive heard this multiple times and just looking it up i can see multiple sources that confirm this!
It's nothing compared to the pain the families of the victims suffer through
Abolish the Death Penalty
6:50 are you telling me you need real evidence to convict a black man??
Also, it's funny how they wanted to convert the death sentence to life in prison after they found mounting evidence he was *innocent*. Like, if you are black and get charged, the only options are life in prison or literally dying. Innocenxe is not contemplated.
You're right. But he wasn't proven innocent though, was he?
@@christopherbrice5473”guilty until proven innocent” ah comment
@@gamakujira64e23 "guilty until proven innocent” for blacks "innocent until proven guilty" for whites more IQ more responsibility more rights, thats how the world works.
@@eriksvensson6054 bait used to be believable
So the girlfriend knows the guy who actually did it, gave her boyfriend the laptop to sell it, heard about the reward money and attempted to frame the boyfriend.
Attempted? The guy's dead
@@Darth_Insidious Now he is yes but I mean this was the series of events that lead to him being incarcerated.
Where did the other items he had in his trunk come from?
Also she never claimed the reward money, sooo...
Why did the cellmate who has no connection to her testify that Marcellus confessed to committing the murder in prison? Either you think there is a conspiracy between the cellmate and his gf to frame him which has a like 1/1000000000 possibility or the more obvious answer which is he is more guilty than guilt itself.
The death penalty is a barbaric thing of the past, why does the US love barbaric things of the past?
When are you joining the future?
"Barbaric" is just an opinion! Some people think that life in prison is barbaric as well!
@@juniorgod321 Barbaric is anything that is not Greek.
@mitchellpeterson8644 I thought it was anyone who isn’t Roman, with a special exception for the Greeks.
@@juniorgod321 of course it's an opinion. It's also an opinion murder is wrong but seems pretty obvious....That's why the law is in place. Smh wtf
@@juniorgod321 It is in our prisons...
Don't show outward emotion = you have no emotion.
Me thinks good thunks this is, yes.
I still think it's insane that "body language experts" are considered real credible sources when 99.99% of their bullshit is probably just making shit up about autistic people.
@@FelisImpurrator "I am a Latin Language Expert, let me now astound you with my ability to mistranslate these Sumerian tablets!"
@@mitchellpeterson8644 Hah!
I don't know how my comment is both hidden and visible though.
Definitely worries me as an Aspie who has muted emotions compared to most people. ;>_>
@@AegixDrakan Yeah similar to me as I'm Autistic. I do have some facial expressions but don't always react to every situation like other people do even though I likely feel the same as other people in the moment.
Parsons should be imprisoned for life for this.
Williams is a brutal cold blooded murderer who is now in hell.
The Innocence Project does great work. Barry Scheck is a national treasure and a true American hero. Donate if you can. Almost all the work they do on behalf of wrongfully convicted people is pro bono.
Barry Scheck was on OJ Simpson's legal defense team. They routinely lie and muddy the water to get enough doubt so that guilty people get released.
One such case, Sheldon Johnson, became an emassador that went on Joe Rogan. And then shortly after went and unalived another person.
How can you guys actually be so blind?
Bro Barry Scheck was a key part of the OJ Simpson defense. They lie and obfuscate to get guilty people out on the streets, who go on to reoffend.
Don't believe me, look up Sheldon Johnson.
This is literally "Dancing in the Dark" levels of judiciary injustice
Incorrect
I remember in Jr High I had to read this book that sounded a lot like this... Something about killing a Mockingbird? It was like... a really well known book. Guess Governor Parsons never read it.
Yeah, there was that moment in the book.
A jury unanimously convicts a black man with no left arm of striking someone whose injuries were almost exclusively from a left arm.... and her jerk of a father is left-handed.
One reason why I never was for capital punishment, even as a conservative, is because I don’t want the state to have such perverse powers, now I realize they exists to be perverse..
And the criminal justice system doesn’t want to be right
If the USA signed the human rights charter, they would have the right to life
Vaush should really consider getting a mod or something done about all the right-wing trolls and the hateful, ableist shit in the comments dealt with.
Its genuinely getting outta hand and he needs to stop ignoring it and start moderating his comment section.
Why dealth penalty is barbaric, case number 10 million...
we should just get rid of the death penalty honestly
In general, almost any defense lawyer would advise his client to NOT testify in his own defense because you are then open to cross examination by the prosecution. The right to remain silent extends to the courtroom.
Vaush's point on True Crime podcasts often framing situations as not police malpractice is so on point. Anyone who wants to hear a podcast where the presenters are rightfully critical of the police should listed to Last Podcast on the Left.
Whether you testify in your own trial typically depends whether your lawyer thinks you can present well on the stand. Since you can't legally be obligated to testify against yourself, it's up to the defense and whether they think it would help their case.
Marcellus was lynched by the state
The Wikipedia writers waiting to change that "will be" to "was"
shaken baby syndrome itself is discredited. There are hundreds, at least, of people in prison for crimes they provably did not commit. They may have been shitty caregivers but they did not harm the child.
As much as you joked about it being a "true crime" scene, this is actually good journalistic integrity. This is what ALL OF US SHOULD BE DOING every time there is a news story that might affect our political opinions. Check multiple articles, compare them to each other, and seek out all sides of the argument to arrive at the most objective position possible.
Letting the state control whether you live or die should never be a thing. Also because of racism???
Looking at all this makes me, in a super screwed up way, kind of grateful that the crime my dad's in prison for was committed in broad daylight in front of a police station, with multiple witnesses there who tried to help my mom. Makes things more clear-cut.
At my university we plan on hosting a fundraiser for his family to sue the state. 😢
You mean the children he threatened his Girlfriend to end or his grandfather, the owner of the car he used to when he did the crime?
So tl;dr the only thing that they proved him is that he had bad taste in women?
Our local story that all the forensics students learn: there was a series of crimes that went unsolved until-
A fibre! A distinctive blue fibre! Found on multiple pieces of evidence! If we can just find where it is from…
Any guesses?
If you guessed “The prosecutor likes to take evidence out of its baggie and lay it down on my carpet to look at together” you’ve won! 🏆
There is also a story of the mysterious DNA appearing in the evidence all across the US that turns out to be the DNA of one factory worker in the packing facility of a "cotton swab" factory.
And NOW Vaush finally grasps why I enjoy indie true crime. The justice system is fucked up, and if an independent true crime podcaster or RUclipsr is conscientious about what they're doing, you can actually challenge your preconceptions and learn something about systemic issues in society. If you happen to be a thoughtful and principled anarcho-leaning person, you can also listen to less skeptical podcasts with a knowledge of common issues with the justice system, and compare different podcasts to each other in an exercise of critical thinking.
The best indie coverage of True Crime, though, in my opinion, is the kind of stuff Vaush is doing with this right now. Drawing attention to a case where systemic injustice occurred to help combat this societal ill. Cases where innocent people are wrongfully convicted and attention is drawn to police misconduct as a matter that requires change is a good that independent TC creators can do, especially by highlighting the unsolved cases of minorities whose families haven't seen justice, like cases of Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women.
True crime would have been ok if the youtubers who make content on it treat the case respectfully, but all I got are awful youtubers making fun of victims while eating and doing make-up and talking about horrific crimes like it's some spill the tea gossip.
The thing that doesn’t make sense is how did the jury reach beyond a reasonable doubt. If you’re just going off of witness testimony and the DNA Evidence doesn’t cooperate that I don’t know how you can convict.
L'étranger moment in real life. Now with extra absurdity they didn't even commit a crime.
I firmly believe Meursault was autistic.
He was already serving life when they found out he committed this murder
I'm all for capital punishment (unless you have the CORRECT person who did the crime). Now far too many incidents of cases like this need to be changed to life in prison. This is a gross miscarriage of justice in the highest order.
I signed the petition to save Roberson. We have 14 days.
Reconstruction was a failure
Tbf it was more-so sabotaged and undone. The self-interested tyrants of today have the same interests as the plantation enslavers back then. Their class interest compels them to evil. The most valuable piece of human capital remains the sort you don’t have to pay. We must take it on ourselves to peruse a new, true reconstruction.
"the sean video is the best video on this topic" Jacob Geller would like a word with you
I just rewatched the Jacob Geller vid on capital punishment and it remains one of my favorite videos on youtube
@@electronic_rat tbh jacob geller is one of my favorite youtubers of all time, period
7:45 this is so inaccurate, so many true crime RUclipsrs and podcasters specifically call out police incompetence in the cases they cover.
Yeah, this is a Vaush bad moment
Getting your information from the innocence project is like hiring PETA to take care of your pet.
Unless that pet is equine. Than vaush is THE guy to handle it.
Plot twist: the prosecutor actually murdered her, thats why his DNA is on the knife.
The guy was guilty. HE had a history of burglarizing homes and the victim's personal belongings were on him proving that he killed her
party of "pro life", btw
7:11 on my favourite true crime podcasts Crime Junkie makes it a pretty big point to go into detail about police incompetence in a lot of their stories. Definitely not the norm, but I do appreciate it being covered. Like 80% of the cases they covered had me more mad at the callousness and negligence of the police than whatever inbred dumbfuck actually committed the murder. Even famous cases like Jeffrey Dahmer had police completely ignoring warning signs (like one of his drugged child victims escaping his house and running into cops, yelling at them that he was in danger).
Alexa, play "America has a Problem"
Thanks for covering this. I live in the most disgusting state. It is hell here. Our supreme court and attorney general are fucking evil
No DNA should be enough for at least a review
So if I wear gloves it couldn't possibly have been me?
He engaged in dilatory action…maybe because he didn’t want to die??? wtf
Okay, I feel off about the thought "Well, it will most likely happen anyways so it makes no sense trying to send my huge stream platform to help. You will just get annoying." Vaush isn't wrong, most likely. It was very very late to get him off the death penalty. But we aren't even necessarily talking about PREVENTING the death sentence. It might've helped him, it might've not. But it would've brought an INTENSE amount of numbers there to bring attention to the issue. Vaush's ENTIRE CHANNEL is an example of building things long-term with singular acts (videos). Why shoot this down so soon at the beginning of the stream when he himself has said "You will not experience the better world, you will fight and die for a better world for others" type stuff? It's just bizarre to me.
It's almost like that tells you a lot about him...
@@dreigivetimpoolmassivewedg7646 oh my god... vaush has been double timing as the texas state governor...
Millions of people in the past fought, suffered, and died so that we could be here today. And we will do the same for those yet to be born. It’s plainly true, and we can pretend it isn’t the case, but by doing so we lay the groundwork for the nihilistic doomerism that is so endemic to online circles. It doesn’t matter if we won’t get to see the future we want. All that matters is that some people eventually will if our cause succeeds, which is reason enough to stay on a righteous path
@@dreigivetimpoolmassivewedg7646Sorry, but that's just a reach.
How can Americans be pro life and pro death penalty at same time 😂 that’s my question
considering the mortality rate of mothers before and during labour. its not pro life, its pro *invading other peoples* lifes.
It's usually the exact same people who are both, too. Although "pro life" part is a lie, because the moment you're born your life no longer matters to them.
@@reinaemiyaConsidering the Evangelical Right invented this idea to give Republicans a wedge issue to leverage, the issue is simple: People are raised in a cult and taught what to be outraged about.
It's not pro-life, it's pro-birth. Fetus is apparently alive but not a person, neither is a child. Once an adult, you're free but not need to be alive.
@@reinaemiya I think my new take away is that some Americans are pro punishment - hence forced birth and death penalty
Vaush you are so right about true crime. I’ve consumed true crime content for over a decade and I have heard police incompetence ruining investigations more often than solving them. It is very frustrating and sad, especially bc a lot of other true crime consumers refuse to see/admit it.
Kinda varies with true crime, like there's some cases where the criminal gets away with it because the police are just lazy and ignore warning signs of a serial killer or they end up in denial about it or something... Other times maybe they didn't have the technology invented for DNA or perhaps the evidence they did have was not considered reliable yet and like maybe the criminal was exceptionally cautious to avoid being caught but then it finally ends because of one officer who is extremely clever and catches the criminal with a ton of evidence...
We need to do something about this fast! This is completely unacceptable and unconstitutional.
12:35 Jacob Geller's video on the death penalty is great, as is Philosophy Tube's.
I feel like it's wild that we basically saw this kind of case play out in the original Twelve Angry Men, and even in that fucking ancient movie the accused man was declared innocent, not because he Couldn't be guilty, but because he Could be innocent. Just baffling that movies were criticizing exactly this process back then and we're still seeing this bullshit now.
For the record, I personally think it's likely he did it. I feel enough points to that for my personal, non-legal opinion. But I'm not sure, and that unsuredness as seen in basically everyonr handling this case who wasn't a piece of shit is such a glaring sign that this execution should never have happened.
I don't care if he did it, on a broader scale. I care that this is an example of the law absolutely failing someone and getting them murdered under the pretense of execution. Even ignoring personal loss, Legally this is a fucking travesty. The precedent this sets is incredibly dangerous; no more 'beyond a reasonable doubt' needed.
I think there's nothing significant to indicate he did it. Testimony from people with a clear conflict of interest is worthless, and the lack of hard evidence is so severe the only responsible conclusion is that it's impossible to draw one. I have no clue what people are basing the idea that he's likely guilty off.
end capital punishment
Simon whistlers casual criminalist true crime podcast actually calls out cops incompetence all the time, at lzast when i listened to it. Its pretty good IMO
Thanks vaush for helping in the propagation of this story.
Run into the "you lack empathy" accusations before bc of my ASD. More light-hearted example: Had the time of my life at vacation one summer in middle school, but got lectured for wasting my stepdad's time and money by "acting miserable and ungrateful the whole time." Why? I don't smile. I don't make eye contact. And once that week I had to go back to the hotel because I had sensory overload. And apparently that meant I hated the whole thing, somehow. F'in neurotypicals, man
I think it's sometimes a good tactic for the defendant to NOT testify at their own trial, so as not to incriminate themselves
this is one of the many reasons why the death penalty should be abolished.
Cole is a potential culprit, he could have given the laptop to Asaro.
True crime podcasters absolutely call out the police for being incompetent all the time, what are you talking about
What a terrible day to call this state home
Yet Abbot pardoned Daniel Perry.
At this point, the republican governors, especially the ones in the deep South, seem to be basing their actions on what would be the most evil
11:04 " Prepare to be Infotained :^)
Hey, do the prosecutor and cop have alibis for the time of the killing? Do all of their friends and family have alibis?
Nicola and Bart sequel, not far off the 100 year mark too.
Vaush: anything I could say about this is covered in like 2 minutes.
Video: Over 20 minutes long.