@@Theyaintme_cb6 they were average compared to the bulls. Kevin Johnson undersized and Thunder Dan is American white boy. And Charles was 6’4”(true height). While the bulls had Horace Grant, BJ Armstrong, Pippen, and Jordan.
Lebron is GOAT of basketball already. Coming from a person who watched Jordan in the 90s and Jordan, Rodman, and Pippen were my favorite players. And it’s laughable that people still have Kobe above Lebron, that’s insulting. Lebron has been better than Kobe when he beat the pistons by himself and took a bad cavs team to the finals when he was 22 years old.
Amen Nick Wright! Thanks for giving me more arguments that Lebron is the true GOAT of basketball. 4 years after he left the Cavs that team won only 24 games on average per season!
Lebron engineered great teams for all of his championships. He quit on his first team and got back when they got two all-stars. Nets team is built with his blueprint. Good for them but they lost respect.
@@aaa1820-g4g he gave his 1st team 7 year and dragged scrubs to the finals. Why stay with bad owner and incompetence at the GM and front office side? Not his fault they failed at doing even an adequate job of putting any good players around him. Then Boston put the big 3 together and he left for a better owner, GM and players. Dame wants out for the same reason, he gave the organization lots of chances but they've failed. KD joined the warriors even though okc did an excellent job if putting players around him, he went to a 73 win team that just beat him.
Exactly, I like Steak and Lobster, why do I have to pick one over the other? Sports talk love rankings and lists because it creates endless content so I'm fine with them 😂
@@Andrew-wo7ng I respect that,but in my book I have lebron ahead of Kobe.But like I always tell my friends when you’re in the top 10 in any list you’re at arm length of each other and it’s a matter of opinion.I can make a case for any guy in my top 10 of why there #1
No you're wrong there. Jordan is the greatest and all I know how to do is to bounce from a team when things get tough. I wish I could win with the same team like MJ and Kobe!
LeBron did 8 years in Cleveland then he left it took Jordan 7 years to win his first chip & that's because all the greats got injured then he played all bums for the next 3 years 😴
Jordan averaged 41 points against Barkley in the finals. He didn't need a superteam with Chuck on Defense. The expansion diluted a lot of Jordan's competition. LeBron was staring down the Celtics and Spurs which were stacked.
@@BaithNa When players decide their fate, its a superteam. When the owners do it, its genius. Jordan Pippen Rodman, Tony and Kerr. NOBODY has ever taken a shot at that on TV and survived.
No you're wrong there. Jordan is the greatest and all I know how to do is to bounce from a team when things get tough. I wish I could win with the same team like MJ and Kobe!
Stop making excuses any team that has a good rim protector and can force him to shoot beats him …. Like the Orlando magic 09 mavs 11 Spurs 13 & 14… pacers could’ve got him if they was experienced enough lords know he couldn’t do nothing with young pg
he's saying facts though...well researched facts. plus Charles is a hypocrite co'z he ring-chased super early in his career too...he never won though so that's karma in action. ..
Lebron did what he had to do he gave the cavs organization plenty of time to get him help and they failed him so he took matters into his own hands period 💯
Nah he took the easy way out and joined two other superstars to get a ring. Jordan went into the gym and gained muscle. There are levels to this. Lebron cheated
Barkley is arguing that he never won becuase he had to play the man he thinks is the goat. We romanticise the old days. Jordan had legendary coaching and great team mates all through his career.
Jordans greatest teammates were Scottie pippen, and Dennis rodman, LeBron has had d.wade, Bosh, ray Allen, Kyrie, Anthony Davis, Kevin Love, and now Westbrook and melo, I'm no scientist but I'm smart enough to know LeBron has had way more help than MJ and Kobe
Woah woah woah, Kobe had a top 10 player of all time as a teammate In Shaq, Bron had had the 3rd greatest sg, The greatest shooter of all time b4 curry reached his prime, A top 10 pg of all time in Westbrook, a top 10 current player in AD, a top 12 scorer in all time points in Melo, K Love and Bosh, Mikes greatest teammates aren't even top 15
@@kckc7140 you saying that like he had all those guys on the same team? Also can we stop saying ray Allen? That dude was well past his prime, and was just a 6 man, I don’t even know if he averaged 10 points on those heatles teams!
@@Bryan-ib3jo they weren't all on the same team but at the time when those teams were assembled by LeBron it was unfair to the rest of the league because he was the only one forming superteams, and no we're not gonna stop saying ray Allen because he's single handily responsible for saving lebron's career with that shot against the spurs
Bron needs 1 more title and I'll consider him the GOAT. Too many accomplishments and even his failures (6 finals losses) are something that would boost a vast majority of HoFs resumes. Barkley being 0-1 in the finals helps him tremendously. Bron is changing the narrative for GOAT and bringing longevity into the debate.
I gotta stop you on this one. A lot of things can be said about Charles Barkley but hypocrisy ain't one of them. He said what on his mind whether it true or not. Charles'll be honest about his opinion
Love them both. Love MJ but Lebron been asked to more and he carried trash Cleveland for 7 years and got long runs. BIG 3 Celtics, Detroit was good, Orlando with Prime Dwight also carrying a trash team, etc. Bruh if I was drafted in Cleveland I would have asked for a trade the first day.
No Lebron was never asked to do so much! He wanted to be first player to make triple doubles and all of that. To me if chose to be a score first type of player, then pass here and there, maybe he has surpassed MJ a few years ago. But he chose to be in this situation and to be the system in every teams that he play for.
@@tysonclarke012 what are you talking about? What I'm saying is the argument that lebron is bad because he left is a bad argument because the reason Jordan didn't need to leave is because his gm and owners actually put a good team around him when Jordan asked them to. When lebron asked for help the cavs organization did nothing. To say that lebron should have stayed like MJ did when MJ had a far better organization than lebron is a biased argument.
Jordan is the greatest and all I know how to do is to bounce from a team when things get tough. I wish I could win with the same team like MJ and Kobe!
The problem not even the fact he left Cleveland it’s the fact that he’s always on a team hunt to win. He’s always looking for a team to trade their entire market so he could win and then he always lose 😭😭😭 AD was supposed to be the answer now AD ain’t enough yikes how many ppl he needs.
Lol compare the teams Jordan played in the finals compared to Bron. The only team on the level of the teams Jordan played was the Mavs, and the best team Jordan played was the Jazz🤣🤣 Jordan didn't have ANY competition like the Warriors and didn't have any team as bad as Cleveland
I think MJ is the goat but I don’t blame LeBron for leaving Cleveland at all. They failed to get him a solid number 2 option when the Free Agency class was stacked with some great players and put yourself in this situation…would you rather be on a team that’s always one piece away and never getting that piece or go to warm Miami and play with your best friend?
How can you blame Cleveland when no one wanted to play with lebron or go to Cleveland even now only people that goes to the Lakers are his friends and people signed to his agency
@@dominiquewashington2553 I doubt that . Some of these guys would’ve got torched by young bron and seen him evolving . Why wouldn’t you wanna play with a guy that could throw passes like that . If lebron had a decent 4 and 3 man that are worth their money he would’ve been competing way earlier and better
Nick is not objective when it comes to Lebron or Jordan. MJ is better at offense, defense and winning. He has more significant awards and accomplishments in less time. All Lebron has is cumulative stats and winning with superteams. Nuff said.
@@kendrickjenkins96 Jordan was as great a passer as anyone not named Magic Johnson. Also you have to look at the era. It was much harder to score back then because of the rules.
@@boricua9071 The leage was balanced in the east Cavilares,76s,Pacers, Knicks,Nets,Heat and in the West Sonics,Kings,Jazz,Suns, Spurs Portland were great teams, the sport networks taking heads doesn't believe in compitition and a balance leage.
@@samjon6403 not really the main difference was how his teams were formed through free agency rather than team trades. Like its okay to stack the deck if teams do it through trades but if players do it through free agency.
@@samjon6403 there have ALWAYS been imbalanced teams The celtics in the 60’s The 70’s were actually balanced no repeat champs 1980s celtics and lakers dominated 90’s bulls dominated 00’s lakers and spurs were dominant This decade warriors and heat were dominant
with the exception of lakers vs heat in the bubble, can you name any point in time in all his visits to the finals, where he had a better team than his opponent? in which finals series were any of the teams lebron was on the favorites? his most stacked team were the heat which was exactly a .500 team when he didnt play, i dont know how thats a superteam. adding to that, how is it a stain when you were able to overcome not having the better team and winning 3 chips?
Chi’s bosh was a great player? He was the guy and missed the playoffs 5 years out of 7 years in Toronto in the “weak east” or does that only apply to Lebron
@@BaithNa ok but where was his all nba selections, all defense selections, rebounding or blocks titles? Why couldn’t he lead his teams past the 1st round against a weak east? Tell me that kid
He was an all star because all the best Power Forwards played in the west. If LeBron went to the west he would’ve still been the best small forward. You put Bosh in the west he’s not making to an all star game. He’d be the 5th best pf.
LBJ has a different unique style . always keeping his team mates connected and it helps them to boost each confidence. God Bless Lakers Nation. hey dwight excited to see you again .
@@ryedye335 Jordans best teammates were pippen and rodman, Kobe's best teammates were Shaq and Pau gasol, LeBron could literally start a whole team with all the greats he's played with
You are delusional, nothing nick or Brandon said about Barkley is applicable. We are comparing MJ kobe and lebron. They basically used the fact that charles barkley himself was a mercenary as evidence as a contradiction for his argument against lebron...how is that relevant when barkley is not even in the goat discussion? Lebron takes more of an active role than MJ and Kobe in generating teams that he still loses with...I'm sorry that's fair ammunition to fire against lebrons legacy. I dont care who he is losing too, you dont excuse being swept twice!! Yes, the first sweep was not him orchestrating but the second one was. A goat should be able to win a game. I'm not mad that he orchestrated and I'm not using his role in the orchestration against him. I'm using the fact that he loses more than he wins as a major composer of his orchestras as my fair ammunition
Ridiculous Nick brushed off the huge amount of help Lebron has had. There is no teammate MJ had that’s better than DWade, Bosch, AD, Irvin, KLove, RWestbrook. Stop it. Nick has been wrong bout Lebron being better than MJ for years now.
@@yomommalikethismeat9968 Help is relative Lebron had more help but he had much better competition. Also Pippin was better than Bosh, Kevin, and Kyrie stop downplaying Jordan's help because it doesn't fit your narrative.
@@SSJ2Phenom my brother is in the NBA shaquille harrison he come off the bench he play for the Danver nuggets oyea my other lil brother is in the MLB monte harrison RUclips them.
The point is u cant be considered as the GOAT if u openly recruiting superstars to stack your team. Lebron is still a great player, just cant look at him with the same respect as people would with MJ.
Thank you. Jordan won 3 in a row with just Pippen. Then another 3 with a better team. Jordan did not run to a better team. He won with what was there for a three-peat.
You guys are literally naming no reason LBJ is better than Kobe or lebron and if you watched the last dance or Jordan play at all it's obvious who's better... And that's what Charles is saying he was on a stacked team and still didn't best Jordan
LeBron got drafted into an inept organization with a drug-abusing, corrupt businessman as an owner. His first 7 years were wasted on a horrible, undeserving organization with none of the management, coaching, leadership, direction, or teammates that were a given for Jordan and Kobe. LeBron became the player soon-to-be billionaire mogul he is partially because he had zero support. LeGM and LeCoach were born out of necessity. If LeBron were drafted into the same type of stable organization with a solid roster and sound management and coaching Jordan and Kobe had, he'd have 8-10 rings by now, quite possibly with the same team.
The Bulls were not a solid org or team when MJ got there. Reinsdorf bought the teamafter, & then hired Krause. MK & Pip were underpaid & HATED management, so did the coach, P. Jackson. Jackson was a nobody who was taught triangle by tex winters. MJ didn't want the triangle but was OPEN to coaching, so they grew to be champions. LBJ has never been open to coaching & decided to leave.
@@JeromeLPitts lebron has taken almost every coach he has to the playoffs or finals…how is he not open to coaching…..he couldn’t stand blatt in 2015 still he got them to the finals
@@JeromeLPitts the bulls were a solid organization. Not just cause MJ didn’t like the gm doesn’t mean the GM was competent. They got horance grant, Scottie pippen, kerr, Dennis Rodman. The bulls team that won 6 chips were ran greatly! Can’t say Phil wasn’t a great coach. He won in LA to. Again what did the cavaliers do to help lebron . 7 years of incompetence. No good coach or anything. Also Lebron joined a heat team that struggled quite a bit after winning the chip
@@Andrewketchum94 He got Blatt fired, tried to get spoelstra fired, got Walton fired & M. Brown is a great defensive coach & LBJ didn't have any leverage to get him fired.
@@JeromeLPitts blatt needed to get fired…he’s coachable but he’s not an idiot…we hall have had a boss or supervisor that we felt like needed to go for the company to do better
You HAVE to take into consideration the way Bron has won. Any top 10 player of all time would have MULTIPLE rings if they had the flexibility to consistently move around and join other great players. I can't blame Bron for leaving Cleveland the first time, but I can blame him for leaving Miami and then leaving Clevland again. Dude is a ring chaser. Durant is about to prove again that, that same formula is full proof.
Jordan is in another stratosphere from LeBron. LeBron is 4-6 in the Finals. Jordan is 6-0 with 6 Finals Mvps. Jordan didn't even get to a game 7 in the Finals. I'm sorry but LeBron can't see Jordan. Jordan is the 🐐 and frankly it's not even close. Nick tried to say LeBron was the 🐐 after winning a third championship and its just laughable. Nick is a joke.
I think we should change the goat debate. switch it to goat of a particular position. At the end of the day these are team sports. Does one individual player make a large difference? Sure. But they still need their teammates to contribute somewhat.
@@StayTru101 Green was being closely looked throughout the whole playoffs, from the moment he started nut kicking Steve Adams. They played 7 games, 4 at home, and you are going to point out the 1 game Green got suspended for his antics? Foh! GS choked!!!
4:55 But unfortunately for these guys, LeBron James has not done anything close for the sport as Michael Jordan did. Zion Williamson’s favorite player growing up was still Michael Jordan. Joy Taylor of Fox Sports said that she played basketball in college hoping to be Michael Jordan.
So a child playing Ball from 2010 - 2020 surely must have watched Michael Jordan live right??... Stop being ignorant MJ did what he did for children in 90's James doing his thing now. No child born in 2000's saw MJ live in his prime play all they see is documentaries
Nick acts like that Cavs team didn't lose a lot of players and didn't have a lot of injuries to make that record worse after LeBron left. Of course they would be worse without their star player, but they lost more than him that year.
Of the 10 other players than LeBron the Cavs had that averaged more than 10 minutes a game in his last year in Cleveland, 8 of them were on the team up until the trade deadline, they only lost Shaq (who played in only 50 games anyways) and Ilguaskas, who was nothing compared to the player he was a few years prior. The rest of the core returned, and the only trade made was the Antawn Jamison for Baron Davis and a 1st trade that happened right before the deadline, and they already had the worst losing streak in NBA history, so no, the Cavs didn’t lose a lot the following year, being a season ticket holder and actually watching both teams makes you realize how bad the team was and LeBron carried it.
& Dwight Howard avg a double double 15 straight yrs. Idk if he was injury prone/not. Notice his playing games shrunk tremendously pass few yrs. But you was getting a double double from every game. No troublemaker in locker room etc
I'm a LBJ fan but that doesn't mean mj is dog 💩, they do different things, different players but both legendary. You can rank them and other greats however you see it. On the mount Rushmore is in no order Kareem, Mj,lbj, Magic(Wilt just missed out)
Exactly thank you that’s all us real lebron fans try to say we’re never putting Jordan down we just want people to recognize lebron is in that once in a lifetime category
No MJ isn't dog 💩, but when LBJ haters try to down play LBJ's legacy and pump up Jordan's it really pisses people off. MJ fans are out here today talking like Pippen wasn't 💩 and Jordan did everything by himself. That's why these debates get so heated. Nobody is objective.
@@SSJ2Phenom that's why don't sink to others levels. Insecure fans need to denigrate others to pump up someone else. Just shows how weak they are when debating.
@@Kruppt808 I don't sink to their level. I just spit facts. That's all one can do. 🤷🏽♂️ I'm debating with someone in another thread who's trying to say from 08-10 Bron should've beat the Celtics squad because they weren't that good. 😲😲😲😲🤦🏽♂️
Ok first things first puts some respect on sir Charles g, the man faced a hall of fame Boston Celtics , there team was not "stacked" Dr. J was bout to retire and Moses was abt to get traded, and he went to the finals with suns and lost to Micheal Jordan the goat, he making it sound like he lost to Shawn Kemp in the finals.
Michael Jordan didn’t have Scottie and Phil…Scottie and Phil had MICHAEL JORDAN…pippen didn’t even start when he got there and he improved every year playing alongside Jordan…phil just managed personalities but what did he win without kobe, Shaq, jordan and pippen??? People acting like he’s Greg pop or sumn
Jordan couldn't win without them. Lol. Also the coach can have the best game plan ever but if he didn't have the talent to execute he would fail. There have been plenty of coaches who had talent and couldn't execute but somehow Phil had 2 dynasties with his talent. He must be doing something right. It's the same way a player can be super talented but without a proper gamelan and execution the player will fail. Yall MJ stans really act like he came into the league perfect and did everything by himself. Both scottie and Rodman are HOF players .
4 pro-LeBron-is-the-goat guys on a panel and none came close to arguing MJ being not the Goat in an 11:30 minute video. They ran away from MJ to make this video a LeBron James vs Charles Barkley debate. Lol Smh Lol
A. If you watch this show you know that only one of these guys is a “LeBron is the Goat” guy. So you’re just incorrect. B. It wasn’t really about MJ vs LeBron, it was about Barkley’s comments about stacked teams and being loyal with regards to the GOAT conversation. That’s why they talked about being loyal and “stacked” teams.
Because it's literally a response to what Barkley said smh what are you talking about? And also, only nick is on the "lebron is GOAT" side of the debate. You are way off and super random
Bodied what? He ranked him over jordan, who stayed down and built his team…pippen grew under Jordan’s wing and didn’t even start when he got to the bulls…jordan molded him…he didn’t join a superteam…Lebron created superteam after superteam
I think people miss Charles point, what Charles is trying to say is how can I put LeBron as the greatest over Jordan when I’ve seen LeBron take short cuts and use cheat codes instead of running the marathon to do it
People understand that but you have to put it in context. Jordan’s marathon came with pieces that helped him, great general manager and talent seeker: Jerry Krause. Great coach in Phil Jackson. Not making it far into the playoffs or being a low seed lead to high draft picks like Scottie Pippen. Bron had none of these luxuries that afford you to sustain a marathon. With the Cavs first high draft pick they chose Luke Jackson and never forget without Bron they chose Anthony Bennett. They didn’t even get a capable GM until David Griffin in 2014.
Context matters. Name a time Jordan or Kobe won as an underdog? They won all their chips on the superior team. Jordan was on a team where they had two elite wings while most teams barely had one. Plus add Rodman and Harper for the second three peat. Those teams had ridiculous defenses. During Jordan era compared to now. This league has way better wing players.
Brandon is still one of my favorite receivers of all time but he was going with the skip baysh*t narrative about hating on bron is the way to make millions, now my dawg is speaking from the heart
Ppl keep saying “what did u want him to do stay in Cleveland” no ppl not mad at LeBron for leaving they mad that he stacked his team if he had went to New York with just amare or even Chicago with just rose or miami with just wade or somewhere else with just bosh nobody would’ve cared it was that he went to miami with wade and bosh
@@sergeant1446 u do realize rodman avg like 6 points a game 🤣 and harper was also just a defender that would be like if today the lakers added draymond green and pat bev so yall need to stop actin like jordan went to add larry bird and karl malone or something
@@AshtonTheJoker216 you cats don't have no respect. A 6 foot 10 guy that could play all 5 positions, and was a point guard in his own country. Go look at what he did during his run with the bulls. He had not one weakness in his game.
@@kb4231 If you're argument is that the CAVS the first 7 years did everything they could to help Bron win then you're a hater because that is factually and objectively false.
@@SSJ2Phenom I said i agree with you bro, but y'all LeBron fans too often label someone a hater in having a different opinion. Yes he has a lot of haters, but not everyone is.
LeBron what he did in 2007 leading cavs to finals was better than Giannis 2021 season he had no players like jrue holiday and Middleton . LeBron is so great even miami heat never made nba finals when he left till 2020. If lebron stayed in cavs would still make playoffs each year. Charles Barkley why didn't he stay in Sixers his entire career himself he went to suns and Houston
He took the pistons to 7 games when Ben Wallace was there. It took Tim Duncan, Ginobli, and Parker to beat the pistons in 7 games. Shaq and Kobe lost to the pistons with Big Ben in 5 games. Bron didn’t win, but that’s still pretty impressive.
@@life0093 bro, he lost to the Orlando Magic when favored. After 07, once the competition got better in the east, he couldn’t get back to the finals till he ran and formed a Superteam
If the Lakers win the title with a roster of which half are actually retired (but they don't want to admit it) there's something really wrong with the NBA.
Wtf are u talking about literally all these dudes deserve to be on a roster. There are a ton off one trick ponies on the end of rosters now they all on one squad so idk what u going for her my giy
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Nick says that Phoenix Suns was stacked? But when talking about Jordan playing against tough teams in the Finals he says MJ played weak teams
@@Theyaintme_cb6 they were average compared to the bulls. Kevin Johnson undersized and Thunder Dan is American white boy. And Charles was 6’4”(true height). While the bulls had Horace Grant, BJ Armstrong, Pippen, and Jordan.
Lebron is GOAT of basketball already. Coming from a person who watched Jordan in the 90s and Jordan, Rodman, and Pippen were my favorite players. And it’s laughable that people still have Kobe above Lebron, that’s insulting. Lebron has been better than Kobe when he beat the pistons by himself and took a bad cavs team to the finals when he was 22 years old.
Amen Nick Wright! Thanks for giving me more arguments that Lebron is the true GOAT of basketball. 4 years after he left the Cavs that team won only 24 games on average per season!
Chris Bosch was top 8 NBA player playing in Toronto the year he joined Miami. WTF is you talking about??????
This is probably Brandon’s best take ok this show
Because he agreed with Nick
It is
Facts
I bet. Is it because he agreed w Nick? Stop it theyre both wrong
Only because he defended LeBron right? 😂 Bronsexuals are funny
I love Nick! Says he is 'neutral' when it comes to LeBron - and he said it with a straight face!
Nick is Lebron sidepiece.
He was clearly saying it for comedic effect
But he told no lies
It was tongue in cheek obviously. That’s why everyone laughed
@Tong Zou Not at all. Barkleys Suns were a superteam???
Nick should have his own NBA history segment
He is so good with nba history.
If y’all think he’s good check out bill simmons
Nick ain't sh*t
That's like letting a Lost Cause revisionist having his own segment in a history channel
When it comes to LeBron, Barkley is just petty for no reason. Like Shaq would say: “You know nothing when it comes to championships, Chuck”.
Exactly
Lebron engineered great teams for all of his championships. He quit on his first team and got back when they got two all-stars. Nets team is built with his blueprint. Good for them but they lost respect.
@@aaa1820-g4g Not at all, KD’s team is beyond stacked
@@aaa1820-g4g he gave his 1st team 7 year and dragged scrubs to the finals.
Why stay with bad owner and incompetence at the GM and front office side?
Not his fault they failed at doing even an adequate job of putting any good players around him.
Then Boston put the big 3 together and he left for a better owner, GM and players.
Dame wants out for the same reason, he gave the organization lots of chances but they've failed.
KD joined the warriors even though okc did an excellent job if putting players around him, he went to a 73 win team that just beat him.
@@Kruppt808 Lillard does not want out, he wants to lead Portland to a title with McCollum
Lebron is great Jordan is great and I love them both and both are and were part of my athletic life.Let’s just appreciate both for what they’ve done
Exactly, I like Steak and Lobster, why do I have to pick one over the other?
Sports talk love rankings and lists because it creates endless content so I'm fine with them 😂
Factuals
Lebron still has to catch Kobe before wasting time talking about him catching mj
@@Andrew-wo7ng been passed Kobe😭 Kobe ain’t even in the top 5 all time
@@Andrew-wo7ng I respect that,but in my book I have lebron ahead of Kobe.But like I always tell my friends when you’re in the top 10 in any list you’re at arm length of each other and it’s a matter of opinion.I can make a case for any guy in my top 10 of why there #1
LBJ was a free agent & CLE didn't offer him the best chance to win,
Not even close.
No you're wrong there. Jordan is the greatest and all I know how to do is to bounce from a team when things get tough. I wish I could win with the same team like MJ and Kobe!
@@lebronjames1474 Kobe is not top 7 all time
LeBron did 8 years in Cleveland then he left it took Jordan 7 years to win his first chip & that's because all the greats got injured then he played all bums for the next 3 years 😴
@@gloryroad7452 😂. Dude I love this🤣.
@@Krazywillz21 its true tho then
Jordan averaged 41 points against Barkley in the finals. He didn't need a superteam with Chuck on Defense. The expansion diluted a lot of Jordan's competition. LeBron was staring down the Celtics and Spurs which were stacked.
Even MJ needed a super team for his second three-peat
@@BaithNa When players decide their fate, its a superteam. When the owners do it, its genius. Jordan Pippen Rodman, Tony and Kerr. NOBODY has ever taken a shot at that on TV and survived.
@@A.Oudit_ legit a better 4 teammates than any team LeBron was ever on except the year the heat beat the spurs.
No you're wrong there. Jordan is the greatest and all I know how to do is to bounce from a team when things get tough. I wish I could win with the same team like MJ and Kobe!
Stop making excuses any team that has a good rim protector and can force him to shoot beats him …. Like the Orlando magic 09 mavs 11 Spurs 13 & 14… pacers could’ve got him if they was experienced enough lords know he couldn’t do nothing with young pg
Nick is neutral on this matter? 😂😂😂😂 Yeah right, its like saying skip doesnt hate lebron
he's saying facts though...well researched facts. plus Charles is a hypocrite co'z he ring-chased super early in his career too...he never won though so that's karma in action. ..
@@katsu_papi When did Barkley ring chase before his failed stint in Houston?
@@regwill4813 Nick just told you...as soon as Sixers were losing, he jumped ship as fast as he can..
@@katsu_papi Its not facts.
@@MrOunce3 it actually is lol..go look up chucks comments on leaving Phi and then especially what he did to get to hous..man threatened to retire 😂
Lebron did what he had to do he gave the cavs organization plenty of time to get him help and they failed him so he took matters into his own hands period 💯
Nah he took the easy way out and joined two other superstars to get a ring. Jordan went into the gym and gained muscle. There are levels to this. Lebron cheated
@@ronpalacios15 and received Scottie his 3rd/4th year
@@ronpalacios15 Bron never had a Scottie in Cleveland
Ain't about him leaving it's about when he left he had to form a superteam
@@Brxck he wanted to win while still being the best player tho idk why ppl hate him for that
Barkley is arguing that he never won becuase he had to play the man he thinks is the goat. We romanticise the old days. Jordan had legendary coaching and great team mates all through his career.
Jordans greatest teammates were Scottie pippen, and Dennis rodman, LeBron has had d.wade, Bosh, ray Allen, Kyrie, Anthony Davis, Kevin Love, and now Westbrook and melo, I'm no scientist but I'm smart enough to know LeBron has had way more help than MJ and Kobe
Woah woah woah, Kobe had a top 10 player of all time as a teammate In Shaq, Bron had had the 3rd greatest sg, The greatest shooter of all time b4 curry reached his prime, A top 10 pg of all time in Westbrook, a top 10 current player in AD, a top 12 scorer in all time points in Melo, K Love and Bosh, Mikes greatest teammates aren't even top 15
@@kckc7140 you saying that like he had all those guys on the same team? Also can we stop saying ray Allen? That dude was well past his prime, and was just a 6 man, I don’t even know if he averaged 10 points on those heatles teams!
@@Bryan-ib3jo they weren't all on the same team but at the time when those teams were assembled by LeBron it was unfair to the rest of the league because he was the only one forming superteams, and no we're not gonna stop saying ray Allen because he's single handily responsible for saving lebron's career with that shot against the spurs
Bron needs 1 more title and I'll consider him the GOAT. Too many accomplishments and even his failures (6 finals losses) are something that would boost a vast majority of HoFs resumes. Barkley being 0-1 in the finals helps him tremendously. Bron is changing the narrative for GOAT and bringing longevity into the debate.
Charles with his hypocrisy
I gotta stop you on this one.
A lot of things can be said about Charles Barkley but hypocrisy ain't one of them. He said what on his mind whether it true or not. Charles'll be honest about his opinion
@@huytruong1897 You can speak your mind and still be a hypocrite.
@@mannyfarfan9984 You right, that was a litte bit of bad wording. But all I'm saying's Charles is just a really honest man.
I don’t know about y’all but I love Jenna Wolfe’s role on this show. I think she’s one of the best hosts from any of these debate shows.
That's because she is a real reporter who was at NBC before
Lebron is respected among the NBA, Jordan was feared .
Not sure who’s a bigger lebron fan boy nick or Shannon.
Love them both. Love MJ but Lebron been asked to more and he carried trash Cleveland for 7 years and got long runs. BIG 3 Celtics, Detroit was good, Orlando with Prime Dwight also carrying a trash team, etc. Bruh if I was drafted in Cleveland I would have asked for a trade the first day.
Jordan was with the Bulls 7 years before a chip. The soccer team in Chicago was more popular before Michael got there. It was a garbage team.
No Lebron was never asked to do so much! He wanted to be first player to make triple doubles and all of that. To me if chose to be a score first type of player, then pass here and there, maybe he has surpassed MJ a few years ago. But he chose to be in this situation and to be the system in every teams that he play for.
@@tysonclarke012 yes but when he asked for help they delivered. The cavs did not. That's the difference.
@@OGCxDaizy so... Lebron is better because he did worse?
@@tysonclarke012 what are you talking about? What I'm saying is the argument that lebron is bad because he left is a bad argument because the reason Jordan didn't need to leave is because his gm and owners actually put a good team around him when Jordan asked them to. When lebron asked for help the cavs organization did nothing. To say that lebron should have stayed like MJ did when MJ had a far better organization than lebron is a biased argument.
Brandon start talking at 2:52 and finished at 5:20 but his take this wasn’t as bad just a little bit biased
Nah he was fine in this clip
up you go
Thanks bruh. Ima need you to post this on EVERY video from now on.
Hes gone for good after this
I bet nobody didn’t catch the fact that he admitted Jordan faced a stacked team in the 93 finals lol
Jordan is the greatest and all I know how to do is to bounce from a team when things get tough. I wish I could win with the same team like MJ and Kobe!
Very surface level take
The problem not even the fact he left Cleveland it’s the fact that he’s always on a team hunt to win. He’s always looking for a team to trade their entire market so he could win and then he always lose 😭😭😭 AD was supposed to be the answer now AD ain’t enough yikes how many ppl he needs.
Jordan was 6'6" 220 in the NBAs toughtest era and LeBron 6'9' 260 in the cupcake leagues and he STILL can't pass Jordan (smh)that's sad
Lol compare the teams Jordan played in the finals compared to Bron. The only team on the level of the teams Jordan played was the Mavs, and the best team Jordan played was the Jazz🤣🤣 Jordan didn't have ANY competition like the Warriors and didn't have any team as bad as Cleveland
@@kup4ever Jordan would have destroyed those Warriors, Period. The teams Jordan faced were better than anything Princess James faced.
@@seanman1231 😒ok
@@kup4ever There is no way Jordan is going to lose to that Warriors team. Plus with today’s rules, they would not be able to stop him.
Why are you still talking to me? I said what I said and I don't care what you think.
I think MJ is the goat but I don’t blame LeBron for leaving Cleveland at all. They failed to get him a solid number 2 option when the Free Agency class was stacked with some great players and put yourself in this situation…would you rather be on a team that’s always one piece away and never getting that piece or go to warm Miami and play with your best friend?
How can you blame Cleveland when no one wanted to play with lebron or go to Cleveland even now only people that goes to the Lakers are his friends and people signed to his agency
@@dominiquewashington2553 because it’s Cleveland.
@@dominiquewashington2553 I doubt that . Some of these guys would’ve got torched by young bron and seen him evolving . Why wouldn’t you wanna play with a guy that could throw passes like that . If lebron had a decent 4 and 3 man that are worth their money he would’ve been competing way earlier and better
They didn’t need 1. They made it to the finals
Wow nick killed this segment Jesus. Super on point
Wilde's piece was great
I like Nick's take, but his uncut Snyder version on the Herd was better lol
Nick is not objective when it comes to Lebron or Jordan. MJ is better at offense, defense and winning. He has more significant awards and accomplishments in less time. All Lebron has is cumulative stats and winning with superteams. Nuff said.
Love the mj take but you make lebron seem like a bum but whatever omar
Lebron is a better offensive player. Offense includes playmaking.
@@kendrickjenkins96 Jordan was as great a passer as anyone not named Magic Johnson. Also you have to look at the era. It was much harder to score back then because of the rules.
@@neilsienes1330 lol true, I was a tad harsh on Lebron. He's a great player too. No doubt.
There has always been Super Teams
People wanna act like the celtics and lakers of the 80’s weren’t super teams lol
@@boricua9071 The leage was balanced in the east Cavilares,76s,Pacers, Knicks,Nets,Heat and in the West Sonics,Kings,Jazz,Suns, Spurs Portland were great teams, the sport networks taking heads doesn't believe in compitition and a balance leage.
@@samjon6403 not really the main difference was how his teams were formed through free agency rather than team trades. Like its okay to stack the deck if teams do it through trades but if players do it through free agency.
@@samjon6403 there have ALWAYS been imbalanced teams
The celtics in the 60’s
The 70’s were actually balanced no repeat champs
1980s celtics and lakers dominated
90’s bulls dominated
00’s lakers and spurs were dominant
This decade warriors and heat were dominant
@@MrTrini2 when?
The stain isn’t that he made super teams it’s that he lost finals on them
@Pierre Corley Not when healthy. GS didn’t lose with theirs.
@@chayimclark2270 bro if klay and kd never got hurt they would of been undefeated in finals
with the exception of lakers vs heat in the bubble, can you name any point in time in all his visits to the finals, where he had a better team than his opponent? in which finals series were any of the teams lebron was on the favorites? his most stacked team were the heat which was exactly a .500 team when he didnt play, i dont know how thats a superteam. adding to that, how is it a stain when you were able to overcome not having the better team and winning 3 chips?
@@chayimclark2270 That was the greatest team ever assembled man
@@harshdeshpande3382 Because they worked together well and the talent actually fit together. But it wasn’t the most talented group ever assembled.
Chi’s bosh was a great player? He was the guy and missed the playoffs 5 years out of 7 years in Toronto in the “weak east” or does that only apply to Lebron
He was still an all star and a top 3 big man in the east for his whole career.
Do some research, kid
@@BaithNa ok but where was his all nba selections, all defense selections, rebounding or blocks titles? Why couldn’t he lead his teams past the 1st round against a weak east? Tell me that kid
He was an all star because all the best Power Forwards played in the west. If LeBron went to the west he would’ve still been the best small forward. You put Bosh in the west he’s not making to an all star game. He’d be the 5th best pf.
At this point Lebron lives rent free in Chucks head
And nick wrights
LBJ has a different unique style . always keeping his team mates connected and it helps them to boost each confidence. God Bless Lakers Nation. hey dwight excited to see you again .
Lebron James also lost 6 times in nba finals
Yeah connecting with superstar players.
His unique style is building super teams and coasting to the finals
MJ is the goat imo,but this is very bad reasoning from charles,theres much better arguments to be made,if anything this argument benefits LeBron
U can't argue the fact that LeBron has had more help then Jordan and Kobe, it's an actual fact
@@kckc7140 how? Yeah LeBron has played with more different all stars but for less years. It should be all star per year instead of different all stars
@@ryedye335 u seriously ask me how?? D.wade, Bosh, ray Allen, Kyrie, Kevin Love, Anthony Davis, Russell Westbrook, melo, that's how
@@ryedye335 Jordans best teammates were pippen and rodman, Kobe's best teammates were Shaq and Pau gasol, LeBron could literally start a whole team with all the greats he's played with
@@kckc7140 ray allen and melo were like 37 when they joined LeBron how are u holding that against him
Oh may God bless this day, the day Brandon actually has a great take
You are delusional, nothing nick or Brandon said about Barkley is applicable. We are comparing MJ kobe and lebron. They basically used the fact that charles barkley himself was a mercenary as evidence as a contradiction for his argument against lebron...how is that relevant when barkley is not even in the goat discussion? Lebron takes more of an active role than MJ and Kobe in generating teams that he still loses with...I'm sorry that's fair ammunition to fire against lebrons legacy. I dont care who he is losing too, you dont excuse being swept twice!! Yes, the first sweep was not him orchestrating but the second one was. A goat should be able to win a game. I'm not mad that he orchestrated and I'm not using his role in the orchestration against him. I'm using the fact that he loses more than he wins as a major composer of his orchestras as my fair ammunition
How? Lol I really hope you're trolling.
@@TheKos2Kos i really don't care about your opinion i know you're a casual just from the fact that you don't care who a player loses to
@@SaNightEye How is it not a great take? You have to actually listen, bud. don't comment after just reading the title
I really don't care about your opinion. I know based on your opinion that you don't even watch basketball.
I absolutely love Charles Barkley, but in my opinion Nick Wright cooked his goose in this segment.
Ridiculous Nick brushed off the huge amount of help Lebron has had. There is no teammate MJ had that’s better than DWade, Bosch, AD, Irvin, KLove, RWestbrook. Stop it. Nick has been wrong bout Lebron being better than MJ for years now.
@@yomommalikethismeat9968 correct
@@yomommalikethismeat9968 Help is relative Lebron had more help but he had much better competition. Also Pippin was better than Bosh, Kevin, and Kyrie stop downplaying Jordan's help because it doesn't fit your narrative.
Nick saying he is neutral is a joke
Only the Media thinks lebron James is better than Kobe and Michael Jordan Real NBA players think different and thats a fact
How many "REAL" NBA players do you know? I personally know 2 and they're pretty high on Bron.
@@SSJ2Phenom Look at interviews and about 75% of nba players would pick Jordan.
@@SSJ2Phenom my brother is in the NBA shaquille harrison he come off the bench he play for the Danver nuggets oyea my other lil brother is in the MLB monte harrison RUclips them.
@@peterjo5215 stop lieing bro look it up again
All the elite players in today game picking KOBE Bryant lol
Nick broke this down brilliantly!
Eye opening on Charles Barkley's team hoping history. He can now sit down.
I’m so proud Brandon man Idk how long this is gonna last so I’m gonna appreciate it while it lasts
Barkley thinks ppl should continue working at incompetent companies and shouldn’t strive for better management and co-workers.
Good point
@Mark Gutierrez KG on the wolves says otherwise
The point is u cant be considered as the GOAT if u openly recruiting superstars to stack your team. Lebron is still a great player, just cant look at him with the same respect as people would with MJ.
Thank you. Jordan won 3 in a row with just Pippen. Then another 3 with a better team. Jordan did not run to a better team. He won with what was there for a three-peat.
There’s so much context missing from this whole conversation it’s almost laughable.
There always is. Gotta take these debate shows with a grain of salt.
I'm convinced Brandon laughs now to stop himself from cursing people out on this show
Im sorry, but LBJ is nowhere close to MJ-Levels....
he is better then jordan hands down,I don't know about you clutch I'm down with the homeless kid out of akron oh I'm sorry man
If Chris Brussard not here to debate Nick I don’t want to watch
You guys are literally naming no reason LBJ is better than Kobe or lebron and if you watched the last dance or Jordan play at all it's obvious who's better... And that's what Charles is saying he was on a stacked team and still didn't best Jordan
Charles literally put LeBron over Kobe from what I saw in that interview 🧐
And that'd be correct
LeBron got drafted into an inept organization with a drug-abusing, corrupt businessman as an owner.
His first 7 years were wasted on a horrible, undeserving organization with none of the management, coaching, leadership, direction, or teammates that were a given for Jordan and Kobe.
LeBron became the player soon-to-be billionaire mogul he is partially because he had zero support. LeGM and LeCoach were born out of necessity.
If LeBron were drafted into the same type of stable organization with a solid roster and sound management and coaching Jordan and Kobe had, he'd have 8-10 rings by now, quite possibly with the same team.
The Bulls were not a solid org or team when MJ got there. Reinsdorf bought the teamafter, & then hired Krause. MK & Pip were underpaid & HATED management, so did the coach, P. Jackson. Jackson was a nobody who was taught triangle by tex winters. MJ didn't want the triangle but was OPEN to coaching, so they grew to be champions. LBJ has never been open to coaching & decided to leave.
@@JeromeLPitts lebron has taken almost every coach he has to the playoffs or finals…how is he not open to coaching…..he couldn’t stand blatt in 2015 still he got them to the finals
@@JeromeLPitts the bulls were a solid organization. Not just cause MJ didn’t like the gm doesn’t mean the GM was competent. They got horance grant, Scottie pippen, kerr, Dennis Rodman. The bulls team that won 6 chips were ran greatly! Can’t say Phil wasn’t a great coach. He won in LA to. Again what did the cavaliers do to help lebron . 7 years of incompetence. No good coach or anything. Also Lebron joined a heat team that struggled quite a bit after winning the chip
@@Andrewketchum94 He got Blatt fired, tried to get spoelstra fired, got Walton fired & M. Brown is a great defensive coach & LBJ didn't have any leverage to get him fired.
@@JeromeLPitts blatt needed to get fired…he’s coachable but he’s not an idiot…we hall have had a boss or supervisor that we felt like needed to go for the company to do better
You HAVE to take into consideration the way Bron has won. Any top 10 player of all time would have MULTIPLE rings if they had the flexibility to consistently move around and join other great players. I can't blame Bron for leaving Cleveland the first time, but I can blame him for leaving Miami and then leaving Clevland again. Dude is a ring chaser. Durant is about to prove again that, that same formula is full proof.
Personally I have MJ, Kobe & Wilt Chamberlain over Lebron
Thank you for saying personally 💯. It’s your opinion on who your goat is and your ranking of players. Different factors and reasons for all of them.
Jordan is in another stratosphere from LeBron. LeBron is 4-6 in the Finals. Jordan is 6-0 with 6 Finals Mvps. Jordan didn't even get to a game 7 in the Finals. I'm sorry but LeBron can't see Jordan. Jordan is the 🐐 and frankly it's not even close. Nick tried to say LeBron was the 🐐 after winning a third championship and its just laughable. Nick is a joke.
What more do you want lol
I hate when LeBron fanboys discredit Dwade..Brandon talked about LeBron carrying Dwade but he totally forgot about Dwade carrying LeBron in 2011
Carry means you won at the end
@@Ozmosesfr So how did LBJ carry the 07 Cavs?
@@JeromeLPitts carried to and carried … you said dead’s carried in that series but bron to carry them .. too the finals ..in it he didn’t carry
much to do about nothing. Last era legends really be throwing too much salt on the league. IMO
This goat conversation is a 3 man conversation. Bron , Mj, and Kareem. All others need not apply.
I think we should change the goat debate. switch it to goat of a particular position. At the end of the day these are team sports. Does one individual player make a large difference? Sure. But they still need their teammates to contribute somewhat.
The GOAT is the player that masters the team game. We dont need a consilation prize for Lebron. I wouldnt even pick him at his position.
@@MrOunce3 out of curiosity who would you pick?
@@OGCxDaizy I would probably take Larry Bird at his position.
If he never left Miami things would be a lot different
He went back home, to the team that drafted him with aspirations of winning a title, and he delivered.
@@jesus-is-king3103 they Cle warriors was rigged soon as Draymond was suspended over some bs
@@StayTru101 Green was being closely looked throughout the whole playoffs, from the moment he started nut kicking Steve Adams. They played 7 games, 4 at home, and you are going to point out the 1 game Green got suspended for his antics? Foh! GS choked!!!
@@jesus-is-king3103 it was a huge difference maker. Don’t be delusional
Obviously you’d put Jordan over Lebron
4:55 But unfortunately for these guys, LeBron James has not done anything close for the sport as Michael Jordan did. Zion Williamson’s favorite player growing up was still Michael Jordan. Joy Taylor of Fox Sports said that she played basketball in college hoping to be Michael Jordan.
So a child playing Ball from 2010 - 2020 surely must have watched Michael Jordan live right??... Stop being ignorant MJ did what he did for children in 90's James doing his thing now. No child born in 2000's saw MJ live in his prime play all they see is documentaries
Nick acts like that Cavs team didn't lose a lot of players and didn't have a lot of injuries to make that record worse after LeBron left. Of course they would be worse without their star player, but they lost more than him that year.
who else did they lose?
Of the 10 other players than LeBron the Cavs had that averaged more than 10 minutes a game in his last year in Cleveland, 8 of them were on the team up until the trade deadline, they only lost Shaq (who played in only 50 games anyways) and Ilguaskas, who was nothing compared to the player he was a few years prior. The rest of the core returned, and the only trade made was the Antawn Jamison for Baron Davis and a 1st trade that happened right before the deadline, and they already had the worst losing streak in NBA history, so no, the Cavs didn’t lose a lot the following year, being a season ticket holder and actually watching both teams makes you realize how bad the team was and LeBron carried it.
Oh apologies, and Delonte West, but still I rest my case
@@theworstyoutuberalive6893 thank you for making my point for me
Nick lying as usual. look at what happened to the 2010 Cavs and you'll see the truth. They lost 4 players and 4 more got injured lol
Nick Wrong again. No one saying Chuck over Lebron. It's Lebron still trying hard to catch MJ in vain
& Dwight Howard avg a double double 15 straight yrs. Idk if he was injury prone/not. Notice his playing games shrunk tremendously pass few yrs. But you was getting a double double from every game. No troublemaker in locker room etc
Like a GLOVEEEEEE 😂
The title is misleading. This isnt about goat, this is about superteams.
Call me when LeBron has 6 championships!
That's your only argument?
IT'S THE ONLY ARGUMENT I NEED SHAWN!!!!!!!!
so it’s settled then when Bron gets 6 chips he’s the goat😂
I loved that line.
Why did the debate got switch to Chuck? Seriously I hope guys defend their spouses the same way they defend MJ and LeBron.
Neutral 3rd party? This guy is delusional
He was being fescious u muppet
@@jonjohnson1978. giant cap
It was a joke.
MJ is the greatest ever. Period!
Under Kobe
Agree with Brandon and nick
Very interesting points from Nick! Finally Chuck is being put in place with his nonsense.
I'm a LBJ fan but that doesn't mean mj is dog 💩, they do different things, different players but both legendary. You can rank them and other greats however you see it. On the mount Rushmore is in no order Kareem, Mj,lbj, Magic(Wilt just missed out)
Exactly thank you that’s all us real lebron fans try to say we’re never putting Jordan down we just want people to recognize lebron is in that once in a lifetime category
No MJ isn't dog 💩, but when LBJ haters try to down play LBJ's legacy and pump up Jordan's it really pisses people off. MJ fans are out here today talking like Pippen wasn't 💩 and Jordan did everything by himself. That's why these debates get so heated. Nobody is objective.
@@SSJ2Phenom that's why don't sink to others levels. Insecure fans need to denigrate others to pump up someone else. Just shows how weak they are when debating.
@@Kruppt808 I don't sink to their level. I just spit facts. That's all one can do. 🤷🏽♂️ I'm debating with someone in another thread who's trying to say from 08-10 Bron should've beat the Celtics squad because they weren't that good. 😲😲😲😲🤦🏽♂️
@@SSJ2Phenom fight the good fight brother👍
I think this was Brandon and wiles best take EVER
Nick in his feelings 😒🤦♂️😂
How is he in his feeling 🤣😂🤣😂.
@@deon3133 You serious?
Like clockwork
Of course he's one of many Bronsexuals
Barkley wasnt talking about himself. He said mj and kobe are better than bron.
Ok first things first puts some respect on sir Charles g, the man faced a hall of fame Boston Celtics , there team was not "stacked" Dr. J was bout to retire and Moses was abt to get traded, and he went to the finals with suns and lost to Micheal Jordan the goat, he making it sound like he lost to Shawn Kemp in the finals.
Why are y'all still having this MJ vs LeBron discussion? It makes no sense. It's all about opinions...
Michael Jordan didn’t have Scottie and Phil…Scottie and Phil had MICHAEL JORDAN…pippen didn’t even start when he got there and he improved every year playing alongside Jordan…phil just managed personalities but what did he win without kobe, Shaq, jordan and pippen??? People acting like he’s Greg pop or sumn
Jordan couldn't win without them. Lol. Also the coach can have the best game plan ever but if he didn't have the talent to execute he would fail. There have been plenty of coaches who had talent and couldn't execute but somehow Phil had 2 dynasties with his talent. He must be doing something right. It's the same way a player can be super talented but without a proper gamelan and execution the player will fail. Yall MJ stans really act like he came into the league perfect and did everything by himself. Both scottie and Rodman are HOF players .
@@OGCxDaizy you LeBron fans act like Pippen was the best player in the league as a rookie
Chuck is right!
I’m I dreaming??? Brandon has made great Take !
4 pro-LeBron-is-the-goat guys on a panel and none came close to arguing MJ being not the Goat in an 11:30 minute video. They ran away from MJ to make this video a LeBron James vs Charles Barkley debate. Lol Smh Lol
because this arguement is not about whos the goat, it's about charles being a hypocrite
A. If you watch this show you know that only one of these guys is a “LeBron is the Goat” guy. So you’re just incorrect.
B. It wasn’t really about MJ vs LeBron, it was about Barkley’s comments about stacked teams and being loyal with regards to the GOAT conversation. That’s why they talked about being loyal and “stacked” teams.
Because it's literally a response to what Barkley said smh what are you talking about? And also, only nick is on the "lebron is GOAT" side of the debate. You are way off and super random
The biggest waste is Trout's career with the Angels.
Unfortunately Nick was once again hurt about someone speaking the truth. MJ is the UNDISPUTED GOAT. Lebron is not even close.
How much jordan pays u?
Brandon nor Nick was right. MJ is the GOAT. James is top 5 at best. He's the 3rd best player in my opinion.
Mj>Kobe>Lebron
Nick your career is tied to lebron too so what are you talking about
Nick absolutely bodied this segment & haters still gonna be salty in the comments lmao.
Bodied what? He ranked him over jordan, who stayed down and built his team…pippen grew under Jordan’s wing and didn’t even start when he got to the bulls…jordan molded him…he didn’t join a superteam…Lebron created superteam after superteam
Jordan had teammates that was averaging 20 points when he got there.
And Pippen was a top 5 pick when he got drafted. He was gonna be good either way.
Nick saying he is neutral is a joke
I think people miss Charles point, what Charles is trying to say is how can I put LeBron as the greatest over Jordan when I’ve seen LeBron take short cuts and use cheat codes instead of running the marathon to do it
How is that a sort cut he didn’t ask for a trade he was a free agent. How long was he supposed to wait for Cleveland to put a good team around him ?
Boy stop u sound ignorant..👎👎
People understand that but you have to put it in context. Jordan’s marathon came with pieces that helped him, great general manager and talent seeker: Jerry Krause. Great coach in Phil Jackson. Not making it far into the playoffs or being a low seed lead to high draft picks like Scottie Pippen. Bron had none of these luxuries that afford you to sustain a marathon. With the Cavs first high draft pick they chose Luke Jackson and never forget without Bron they chose Anthony Bennett. They didn’t even get a capable GM until David Griffin in 2014.
@@lee9526 u is on point!👍👍
@@tyron878 u is on point!👍👍
U are lying to urself if u say LeBron hasn't had more help than Jordan or Kobe, this is literally his third superteam
Context matters. Name a time Jordan or Kobe won as an underdog? They won all their chips on the superior team. Jordan was on a team where they had two elite wings while most teams barely had one. Plus add Rodman and Harper for the second three peat. Those teams had ridiculous defenses. During Jordan era compared to now. This league has way better wing players.
The Kobe thing is funny too. I’m sorry but prime Shaq is more help than any LeBron team has ever had. Not even close
@@ME-vy1sf Kobe had prime Shaq and gasol, LeBron has had about 7 hall of famers, big difference
Lol MJ is great but he never needed to leave with the organization he had plus the watered down expansion team league
RIP to the Black Mamba but the 👑 > 🐍
Plus Barkley being hypocritical af! 😆
Lmao NOT even close
Not even remotely close
Every word Nick said is true
Truth.
Great take 👍
Brandon is still one of my favorite receivers of all time but he was going with the skip baysh*t narrative about hating on bron is the way to make millions, now my dawg is speaking from the heart
Jordan was 6 for 6, but Bron has went to 10 finals and minus DURANT making THE WARRIORS a super duper team might be 2 more finals on the plus side...
The ONLY reason Nick is where he is today is because of Lebron and his wild takes on Lebron's GOAT status got him attention...
Ppl keep saying “what did u want him to do stay in Cleveland” no ppl not mad at LeBron for leaving they mad that he stacked his team if he had went to New York with just amare or even Chicago with just rose or miami with just wade or somewhere else with just bosh nobody would’ve cared it was that he went to miami with wade and bosh
So did Jordan stack his team when he already had Pippen & Kukoc, then picked up Rodman & Ron Harper ?
@@sergeant1446 u do realize rodman avg like 6 points a game 🤣 and harper was also just a defender that would be like if today the lakers added draymond green and pat bev so yall need to stop actin like jordan went to add larry bird and karl malone or something
@@sergeant1446 and kukoc? U wanna talk about kukoc in the same breath as any of LeBron HOF teammates bruh u reachin harder than mike in space jam
@@AshtonTheJoker216 you cats don't have no respect. A 6 foot 10 guy that could play all 5 positions, and was a point guard in his own country. Go look at what he did during his run with the bulls. He had not one weakness in his game.
@@AshtonTheJoker216 and you totally ignored Rodman and Harper, your name fits you joker.
I really like the take by wildes ohmahghad!
Nick spitting facts. The CAVS failed Bron and anyone who says different is a hater.
Very well said ..
Yeah that first go around that was true, but the second time they really gave him everything he wanted.
I agree with the first part, but y'all can't keep labeling people haters for having a different opinion.
@@kb4231 If you're argument is that the CAVS the first 7 years did everything they could to help Bron win then you're a hater because that is factually and objectively false.
@@SSJ2Phenom I said i agree with you bro, but y'all LeBron fans too often label someone a hater in having a different opinion. Yes he has a lot of haters, but not everyone is.
LeBron what he did in 2007 leading cavs to finals was better than Giannis 2021 season he had no players like jrue holiday and Middleton . LeBron is so great even miami heat never made nba finals when he left till 2020.
If lebron stayed in cavs would still make playoffs each year. Charles Barkley why didn't he stay in Sixers his entire career himself he went to suns and Houston
Huh, what great teams did the CAVS play in the East in 07? Only 2 teams won 50 games in 07. 😂 That’s the most overhyped run in NBA history.
Lebron played the whopping Pistons without Ben Wallace while Giannis beat the Suns and the Nets.
That's only six years which not.
He took the pistons to 7 games when Ben Wallace was there. It took Tim Duncan, Ginobli, and Parker to beat the pistons in 7 games. Shaq and Kobe lost to the pistons with Big Ben in 5 games. Bron didn’t win, but that’s still pretty impressive.
@@life0093 bro, he lost to the Orlando Magic when favored. After 07, once the competition got better in the east, he couldn’t get back to the finals till he ran and formed a Superteam
If the Lakers win the title with a roster of which half are actually retired (but they don't want to admit it) there's something really wrong with the NBA.
Wtf are u talking about literally all these dudes deserve to be on a roster. There are a ton off one trick ponies on the end of rosters now they all on one squad so idk what u going for her my giy