Idgaf about stats or accolades. I based it on the "eye test" having seen both play. There is no fucking doubt in my mind that MJ is the better player. No question.
I totally agree. Have never seen LBJ or Kobe as locked in and in control of the game on both sides for the entire game like Jordan. 6-0 in the Finals, 6 Finals MVPs, 5 MVPs, 10 scoring titles. He will never be duplicated.
@@jakestephens9992 the only player today that is similar to MJ is Kevin Durant. because KD can move without the ball and doesn’t slow down the whole offense just to iso for 10 seconds. MJ did all his damage in the flow of the offense, sometimes only needing to take one dribble or catch and shoot.
Exactly! I’ve watched both their careers. I don’t think we’ll ever see anything like MJ again. At least not from a guard. Lol! MJ would absolutely DESTROY this league today. I might get roasted for this but I would take Tim Duncan over LeBron. Maybe! I confess I do forget how dominant LJ has been over the last 19 years.
@@yinyang6414 he uses stats out of context, then other stats to prop up LBJ but at same time will use it against guys like MJ/Kobe/KD/Jokic etc There’s a reason why LBJ fans love him. They think just like him, or wait that’s right they just steal from him and try to pass off as the truth.
Excellent point! Ridiculous that people made that claim (including LBJ) when you add that we all know many of the 6 Bulls championship teams were much better team than the '16 Warriors.
Nick wright is one of the best he is100 percent right about lebron been the goat just check LeBron numbers in 19 years best all around player.also at 37 years old with sore knees he is leading the NBA in scoring with 30 points per game he past Karl Malone and will be tops when he brakes Kareem all time scoring record so Skip Bayless and the haters need to keep their mouth shut .. lebron James will be the greatest
In this one he keeps on talking about, "did you guys make your mind up ten years ago that Jordan was better than LBJ?" I distinctly remember articles coming out after LBJ won his FIRST title that he was already better than MJ back then. Absolute ridiculousness, thats the type of shit that added to the Lebron hate
Bron fans like to bring down and discredit players Iike jordan or kobe. Too somehow make a arguement that favors Bron. They do this by bringing up false narratives.
Thank u my brother real talk .. took words out my mouth the mamba before that injury was tearing his young ass up with those signature Jordan moves with that mamba sauce on it.. fuc labumme and his sneakers. My collection only has two brothas Jordan Kobe. No more no less..
Agreed !!! Even Bird and Magic were better players for their each respective teams. They were pressure 4th quarter players didn't flop and whine on and off the court and lastly didn't chase championships jumping from team to team !!!
This is why LeFlop's points total isn't impressive. Any who is 6'8" and at least slightly athletic could score the types of baskets he typically gets. Dunking/layups on an unprotected rim. I watched highlights from him passing Malone. One of the highlights (might be the actual bucket to pass the Mailman) he catches the ball (travels) and dunks or does a layup( i dont remember how it went in.) What I do remember is: There are two defenders that just stand there. Literally as if it were a layup drill in practice. Barely moved a muscle. Now compare that to Jordan going around Oakley and another knick, and dunking over the top of Ewing. Or watch a full game from the ECF against the Bad Boys in 89 and 90. Then realise Jordan averaged 29.7 in 89ECF and over 32ppg in 90ECF while being hammered by the (arguably) dirtiest team in NBA history.
@@sosaraycharles358 I haven't seen enough of Giannis's games. He came in around the time I gave up on the NBA. I haven't really been interested in it since 2012ish and haven't watched a full game since 2017. If most of Giannis's scoring is done with what is essentially a practice layup/dunk drill on an unprotected rim, then no, it isn't impressive.
The 3-1 comeback was impressive, but a one game Draymond suspension and Andrew Boguts injury was more than enough to help the cavaliers. People focus too much on points and don’t realize how losing those two completely eliminated the warriors inside presence.
You think just like me!! Awesome 🤩 Respect fam! It’s exactly what I saw and curry was injured during the series with Houston and okc after the Houston series went up 3-1 against the warrior until curry pulled a rabbit out the hat! Warrior chased the best record in history which hindered their personal health
Dwade in 2006 was a better comback than the 3-1. Dwade average 34 and had two players average 15. Lebron average 29 and got 27 from Kyrie and 10 apiece from Smith and Thompson who also average 10rebounds.
@@bobbyd1632 it was clearly rigged because they wanted to prolong Lebron’s legacy. They had no idea GSW would get KD and eliminate the ability to be cheated again. So they took Kobe’s death as a chance to gift him another ring. Kobe is better than Lebron imho.
@@TheVanexel23 that's something fans never bring up. LeBron has a lot of turnovers. And it's funny because people blame his playoff losses on his teammates because LeBron put up crazy offensive numbers. But one thing the fans don't point out his how he performed in the 4th quarter especially when it comes to crucial turnovers or missed free throws.
Once again, Jordan is more accomplished, more skilled, more fundamentally sound and overall better player than LeBron, all done in less time played. It's ok LeBron fans to be 2nd, it's ok, you can cry yourselves to sleep in the corner where y'all belong.
Still not #2 needs too much help to win too many flaws weaknesses in Lebron’s game and has not been a defender for à large portion of his career who has Lebron prevented from hoisting an NBA title
lol Bronsexualists are the most embarrassing fan base in sports history, thats why most of their accounts on socials are burner troll accounts, faceless cowards, i wouldnt want to show my face to. MJ is the clear goat
@@DakotaMambaPrescott244 keep on laughing bro ain’t nothing to support him being number 2 there have been better players ahead or him throughout NBA history Just because some media fanboys and à few casual obsessed fans who don’t know basketball past Lebron rookie years say he’s #2 if not the gr8est give it any form of validity
Lbj is the true goat let's face it he did more with less most y'all just stuck on what u saw in the past and are afraid to recognize the beast that is Bron
@@waysofzen#1 Michael Jordan led the NBA in scoring for an entire season 10 times. Lebron James led the NBA in scoring for an entire season 1 time. #2 Michael Jordan has the highest plus/ minus rating in NBA history. #3 Michael Jordan led the NBA in steals for an entire season 3 times and was defensive player of the year in the NBA in 1988. Lebron James never led the NBA in any defensive category for an entire season. And was never NBA defensive player of the year. #4 Lebron James has the most turnovers in NBA history. #5 Michael Jordan has the highest regular season career scoring average in NBA history. 30.12 points per game. Wilt Chamberlain is 2nd place 30.07 points per game. #6 Michael Jordan has the highest career NBA post season scoring average 33.45 points per game. #7 Michael Jordan has 2 NBA slam dunk championships. Boring Lebron James has ZERO NBA SLAM DUNK CHAMPIONSHIPS. So guess why people wear Air Jordan sneakers and not Lebron James sneakers mostly. #8 Michael Jordan has 6 NBA Finals MVP"s . Lebron James has 4 NBA Finals MVP's. #9 Lebron James has lost 11 PLAYOFF SERIES. Michael Jordan has only lost 7 PLAYOFF SERIES.
How many times he missed the playoffs vs lebron how many times he quit vs lebron how many times did Jordan do everything for his team vs lebron all y’all can talk about is scoring but nothing else Jordan never checked the best players but lebron did talk facts
Lebron in 9th place with an over the top loaded roster of superstars 😂 he’s the bum in the GOAT conversation every time. There’s several players greater than LeChina James. Jordan shouldn’t even be mentioned in the same sentence as any other player in history. They should be comparing James to the other greats who didn’t need damn near 20 seasons to rack up stats
Look how the pro LBJ media is slowly trying to shift the narrative now, if they get in the playoffs it’s gonna be about how he “carried” that “trash” team to the playoffs at 40 years old (really 36-37 but we know LBJ fans love to round out his age for a more dramatic narrative).
Imma say this. The other night he was on the floor closing the game with Gabriel, Johnson, reeves ,himself and monk. Westbrook was on the bench Melo was Dwight was all of them were on the bench for those guys I named. I'm just saying none of these dudes are playing significant minutes on a contender TODAY.
He’s been to 10 finals elected to multiple all nba and he’s always top 5 in the mvp votes MJ was great but Lebron isn’t a bum to him your fandom is a little out there Some people say the 3-1 come back was all because Draymond missed a game and Bogut got hurt but MJ first chip came at the expense of 2 of the Lakers starters being hurt (SG)(SF) they won 4-1 and the only game the Lakers won was when the defensive stopper himself MJ held Magic the entire game and he put up a triple double game’s 2-5 Pippen held Magic and the Bulls didn’t loss a game
What superstars does Lebron have beside AD who is more injured than not?If AD aint playing he doesnt count if Lebron has him or not on his team .Dont u agree ?
It's the right way to see it. I love a good debate about this sort of thing... when it comes to anyone EXCEPT Jordan... because it isn't fun. I will argue Bird against LeBron to anyone who will listen... or not tell me to shut up. I like the position comparison better... and I think it's an easy argument... doesn't mean he is better... and doesn't mean LeBron isn't great. Compared to Jordan though... they are all interchangeable parts. Tim Duncan is the "goat" of interchangeable parts btw ;-P
No one should take Nick Wright seriously. He honestly tweeted and believed that KD was the best player in the NBA OVER LeBron in 2014. The guy is a running joke.
Miguel Why is James 4-6 finals record is so trash???, I know why cause James is not the GOAT 🐐 it’s Wilt Chamberlain or Michael Jordan or Kareem or Bill Russell that is the Basketball 🏀 goat.
LeBron started with good hopes to challenge Jordan's greatness during his early cavs years. To me, it crumbled more and more since his bandwaggon to miami, ridiculous floppings, finding excuses after each post season defeat, claiming himself goat.
Lol losing in 07 17 and 18 isn’t an excuse tho that’s y’all problem. You can’t look at anything objectively. Good players with no help don’t win chips, teams do. Same reason why MJ couldn’t get past the celts or Detroit until he got a squad. Doesn’t make him look bad and shouldn’t make lebron look bad either
@@julian2238 07 was fine he did everything what he could. 11 was bad. 2014 he made excuses again after the spurs defeated them. 2018 he gave up after game 1.
That sounds about right...he had alot of potential but chose to ride on cruise control instead of improve... Instead of improve.. builds overpowered teams , then blames them when it fails. Bails every time it gets too hard.. and only played defense about 2 or 3 years whilst rest of time expecting teams to play 4 vs 5.. He had a promising future but become too obsessed with racking up stats and relying on teams to get the wins.. Had he just kept pushing for wins instead of trying to maneuver himself into goat stats would have had a better chance...but as the went on he just becomes more of a joke every year.
No help is when a player at 35, with the second scorer and defender is out half of the season, still takes his team to the finals and the second best player is playing hurt and scores just 8 points in the final game...and still wins the title and the MVP!
A goat is someone who is drafted to a historically consistent losing organization and through disappointment, adversity, grit and determination turns that organization into one of the greatest dynasties in NBA history. I watched Michael Jordan play through all those losses in the playoffs to Boston and Detroit. It forged him into the winner that he became. If LeBron had stayed in Cleveland and then won 3 chips and an asterisk then he may have a case of top 2-5 players of all time, but he didn’t. He chose the easy road and that’s why I and other people don’t respect him.
@miguelzaibatsu that was seriously the dumbest comment i have ever read. jordan has the highest career points per game in history. and highest career points per game in playoffs. how is that trash at scoring? and probably 80% of nba players say he would be AVERAGING 40 to 50 in today's game. the defense was wayy more aggressive then than it is today. a single player getting a game high score doesnt mean anything. look at david robinson. he scored 71 points because he was in the running for most season points against shaq, and his entire team made sure he took all the shots. what you just said has to be the most ignorant and idiotic thing i have heard in an extremely long time
Jordan would have killed everyone in this era! Jordan used to embarrassed big solid 7 footers back in days..he will be shooting free throws non stop on this era he be averaging 45 and up! Mj is the GOAT!
@@jaysandi88 casual bball watcher right here. DeAndre Jordan has the highest FG% in history, doesn’t mean anything. Where one shoots for matters, go learn math
@sportsbanter6359. 🤦. His shooting PERCENTAGE is high, because his shots come from within 3 FEET of the basket. Layups and dunks. That does not make him a good SHOOTER. You don't know what you're talking about
Big debate, way closer than u think and MJ isn’t winning if u look at all the facts and not the 6 chips. Never won without Pippen but let’s overlook that
@miguelzaibatsu MJ 63 points highest playoff scoring game All Time. #1. All Time playoff scoring avg #1. All Time Finals scoring avg #1. All Time reg season scoring avg
help me understand how that matters again? if feel like that makes him more objective about Jordan... wasnt influenced by all the market gimmicks of making him look like he could do no wrong
The hilarity is that NO ONE mentions that Lebron hasn't played defense consistently since 2015. That might be a just as big a reason as not beating the mavericks. People seriously undervalue how much seeing your leader go all out on defense makes the rest of the team do it too.
Lebron spent his prime playing in the weak east surrounded by multiple all stars in a soft flopping era..the conversation should have been over in 07 when he couldn't rally his team to win even a single game.,but people gave him a pass..but in 2011 he choked and lost again that should have been it..he's playing in a weak conference with multiple all stars and role players he wants to play with! For fucks sake how many passes does he get?
Mr Jerome you are not alone in your thoughts LeBron got took out of the GOAT talk for me also but his fanboys will disagree and that's okay we all know the truth
5:42 its funny how anytime Nick/LBJ fans bring this up they never acknowledge what Kyrie did in that 3 game span as well. 30 ppg on 52.3% shooting and 52.9% from 3, he outplayed Curry who was the Warriors best player. This is better than a lot of #1 guys and he was doing this as a second option. Not to mention how he had the most ppg average in the finals (at that point) by a second option ever. You’d think he was shooting bricks or that LBJ was going 1 on 5 the way LBJ fans speak about that series.
Every time James fans argue Jordon had the greatest complementary player in pippen and the best coach ever and all his competition were complete and total trash but LeBron always played against God's and all his super star help were bums pulled off the street. The mental gymnastics to sustain that fantasy is astounding
Kyrie avg 30 points for the 4 Cavs wins in 2016 finals. Kyrie 30 points game 3 win, 8 assists. Kyrie 41 points game 5 win, 70% FG, 6 assists. Kyrie 23 points in game 6 win hai worst game in a win 38% FG .Kyrie 26 points game 7, plus game winning shot from Lebron inbound pass, Kyrie 43% FG in game 7, Lebron 37% FG in game 7. Kyrie avg 30 points per win. Ive never seen 2 teammates avg 30 points per win and win an nba title before 2016.
Their argument against Jordan is that he played with Pippen! Pippen has never avg more than 21 pts in finals series. Compare that to Kyrie with 27 and 29 ppg!
@@torbjornripstrand1103 exactly, could you imagine if MJ had Pippen averaging 30 ppg in a 3 finals game span? LBJ fans would be telling us he got carried. Now imagine if LBJ had this as a sidekick.... Pippen last 3 games in the finals 96 13.3 ppg 29.6% 97 18.7 ppg 36% 98 14 ppg 36.6% Dudes would be whining that Pippen gave LBJ no help, and that he carried him.
What fools like Nick Right and Shannon NEVER bring up or acknowledge is that this entire “debate” ended before bron won his first championship… the min he decided to take his talents to south beach and turn the settings from all madden down to starter, it was over… Nick will try to make a case that MJ quit… but HE NEVER mentions that bron literally quit playing in Cleveland because he couldn’t get over the hump… right their it was over…
The funny thing about LeBron going to Miami is that cleveland were favorites to get to the finals those last two years. They had the best record in the conference and NBA too. He did quit. He quit in the middle of a playoff series against Boston. Cavs were even favorites over Boston
lol, 2011 vs Dallas went 6 games. JJ Barea torture chamber. LeFraud has 4 other Finals losses where he got beaten worse.. Swept twice, head bust 4-1 twice more.
@@gregorylawrence9729 Well if you get swept or humiliated 4-1. Then your team was probably weaker then the Western conf Finalist. btw - Chicago MJ only missed the Finals 6 times.. LeFraud also missed the Finals 6 times in Cleveland before having to go to Miami just to win his first ring.
@@KaineTremaine if MJ played 13 season for the Bulls and won 6 chips... What happen that 1 yr did he go to the finals and bulls tied with another team... Now that would be a 1s... 7 + 6 = 13 right
2.42 alone for a 7 season period shits over LBJ total career pretty much.. End of discussion right there.. MJ accomplished more in less time than Queen James. FACTS!!!!!!!
I get a laugh out of nick wright using jordan having not led the playoffs in assists or rebounds throughout any playoffs. Who cares? For all the stats lebron accumulated , he still lost. And why would jordan lead in rebounds as a guard in a league full of true bigs? Why would he lead in assists in a system where there was no true PG? Makes no sense nick.
Does Nick Wright even know the role of each basketball position? Jordan is a shooting guard and Lebron is a shooting forward position whose roles is to get rebounds.
I believe this is Lebrons issue. During part of Lebrons prime the big question was Kobe or Lebron, and in a huge part of basketball players opinions it was Kobe. During MJs prime there wasn’t one person that thought any other player was better. Basically from 87 until 98 everyone knew who the best player was.
Facts!! The only time there was even remotely a debate or conversation was in 1992 when bunch of news and media outlets were saying Drexler (who was 2nd in MVP behind MJ) was a better and more versatile shooter because Drexler is just a much better 3 point shooter and thus could outplay Jordan with that ability but in the NBA Finals Jordan put all that to rest after famously saying "He's a better 3 point shooter than I let him be"
We are seeing what would have happened all along if LBJ played a better conference. That’s not his fault, but MJ dominated the entire league. There’s never been a player to impose his will on the game to win. LBJ is a jackhammer. MJ is an earthquake.
@@headnogood2 I’ve never seen the media gravitate toward a player when they didn’t win like they do LBJ. Case in point: your Lakers today. LBJ dominates the narrative, even though other players got chips during his tenure as the “best player in the league.” LBJ gets the NBA storyline by hype. MJ earned it with winning chips. MJ sent legends retiring without rings. MJ is a winner. LBJs finals appearances are good, but not closing the deal keeps him from having the reputation at being a flat out winner.
The reason I can’t say 2013 Lebron is objectively one of the best ever is because he was playing with a super team. It makes it so much easier to gets stats and open shots when defenses have so many other threats to worry about.
@@Cheif_Espada The bulls didn’t have any super team. Three of their Hall of players were drafted by the Bulls. Lebron had a team with 3 of the leagues top 7 players in the league .
@@jaysandi88 Please it proved that there was no competition in the League for the Bulls....LBJ played in the weak leases conference in the East that what got there so many times and wt lost and set a NBA record that stands today the only player to lose more finals than anybody in History....You play the game for W not Ls.....l guess you can call LBJ the Billy goat for talking trash and like trash as well never like Dirk and never will but he did exposed LBJ as trash but LBJ think along with his fans his the goat laughable and his game beside MJ....Eye test don't lie but dumb silly Nick Wright do
Lebron got that chip in '16 and became complacent (partly do to his megafans). Now he thinks he can add to his (thought) goat resume by accumulating the stats. The thing that he and his fans dont realize is that while Lebron's stats will be remembered and noted, what also will be remembered and noted is HOW LONG it took to achieve the stats not only collectively, but PROPORTIONALLY. When it's all factored, something will stand out: .....Jordan achieved more than Lebron in lesser time....
and the media keep on using Lebron's dunk on Terry as top dunks of all time just to miss this fact lol That dunk's no big deal lol I even cringe Bron need to stare down a smaller guard pfft
And he was like 35 about to retire. LeBron reignited Terry's career lol made him stick around a few more years. Lol For me...if your teammates need to push you into defensive position...you lose all rights to being called a 🐐.
1:08-1:12 LBJ groupies everywhere can relate to that feeling, look at him struggling to find an answer. Take a look in the mirror LBJ fans, that is really you. They never have a case for LBJ over MJ’s accomplishments. There’s a reason why they call his era “weak”, that he had a “superteam” bc it’s the only way for them to convince themselves those accolades mean nothing. That’s why you also see them make up pointless criteria for the goat title that favors LBJ. I mean take a look at this... Finals losses Less first round losses Accumulative stats “What if” scenarios I’m sure there’s more but look at that, I’ve never heard LBJ fans praise a guy like Karl Malone for having 3 finals losses, boosting him up bc he lost to MJ twice, having more points than him, being 2nd all time (at the time) in scoring. That’s not a goat case, only until LBJ came in the league and started racking up stats, having more shortcomings than wins is when shit flipped.
The superteam argument only really works for the 96-97 Bulls. The 91-93 Bulls were great, but outside of Jordan they only had Pippin as the other HOF players and Pippin wasn't even an All-Star in 91. Most NBA fans probably couldn't name half of the 91-93 roster. The 98 Bulls was running on fumes with Pippin being out for most of the season and having a bad back and Rodman being burnt out by that point.
It goes both ways y’know. Before Lebron came into the league, rings weren’t the standard for greatness. Jordan was considered the greatest with 1 or 2 rings. But now, rings are all that matter. But of course, if / when somebody gets more rings than MJ in the future, rings suddenly won’t matter anymore. If Jordan has the most rings, rings are everything. If he doesn’t, the goalposts are moved and rings ain’t the standard anymore.
It's kinda funny and sad how Bron has so many media groupies pushing the narrative that he's the GOAT, yet vast majority of the world still has MJ as the clear GOAT 🤣🤣
The entire NBA feared Michael Jordan. Jordan was so dominant he had to invent reasons or make up slights in order to motivate himself to play at his absolute best. No one fears Lebron James in that way. He has never had an aura of invincibility about him and despite all his accomplishments, he has just as many examples of how beatable he is even when he surrounds himself with other elite players. MJ is the GOAT hands down.
@@yinyang6414 MJ beat both Bird and IT eight in the game Olympic vs NBA All-Stars. Bird recognized MJ as a disguised god and IT had to invent the Jordan rules to contain him. Yet MJ was in the rebuilding team that did not make the playoff prior of his draft.
Forget the bubble. Him and AD were injured when the league stopped. Without that unforeseen event the team might not have been health enough for any type of playoffs
Well that's a complete lie. The Lakers were rolling and just beat the other two best teams in the league. Both LeBron and AD were at 100%. Giannis did get injured though. You MJ stans/LeBron haters are so dishonest
@@jjab430 Rondo was hurt and he was a key reason they won. And no way AD makes it through an entire season. Has nothing to do with hate. No one respects that bubble ring except for lebron fans who think he’s close to MJ. Everyone else knows he’s not. Doesn’t matter what he does.
9:37. Not true. Reason Mike is clearly better than both Kareem and LBJ is because of his PEAK. MJ’s peak is much higher than both of them. That’s the issue.
@@classicdufferin8739 MJ was in an Expansion Era that added 7 teams in 8 years. That’s very little elite talent dispersed and a lot of bad teams to beat down
good take. when MJ was in his peak the other team experienced 3 years of drought. then 2 years of good weather then back to 3 years of drought again lmao.
@@Cheif_Espada it does in terms of individual stats but guess what? MJ’s peak his individual stats were better than anyone’s in the history of the league aside from Wilt PLUS a threepeat. Wilt never did that. He won TWO rings in total. SO NEXT ARGUMENT please. Peak INCLUDES team success PLUS individual abilities/impact/stats
Nick playing a dangerous game when he brung up Kareem trying to say that the gap between Jordan to Kareem & LeBron was THAT wide...... The gap between Jordan & LeBron IS THAT BIG but the gap between Jordan and Kareem is NOT that huge & thats because Kareem BETTER than LeBron & HOPEFULLY people will realize that because if you notice Nick ONLY does LeBron & Jordan comparisons WHY has he NEVER done a LeBron vs Kareem comparison? 🤔 Oh it'll show LeBron ISN'T EVEN #2 all time either 🤷🏾♂️
This is why looking at just stats and not actually having viewed these players playing entire games and seasons is folly. If you could put Jordan In a time machine and let his prime years be in Bron's era and Send back Bron to Mike's era....🤣🤣🤣🤣 Bron would still be a great player but not as great....for as long. Why? Because his greatest strength his size and speed wouldn't be as great an advantage under the rules and style on NBA play. He could not play bully ball as effectively. Defense could more effectively keep the ball out of his hands....he would have been beat on like Shaq was...more injuries..... Jordan in LeBron's era of touch fouls...eurosteps...no handchecking....increased 3pt attempts which lead to even more runouts...Jordan would lead the NBA in scoring....steals....blocks probably and assists if he desired. He also would have been more efficient longer without the wear and tear of physicality and recruiting two all NBA players to be beside him each year so you could never effectively double and triple team every trip down court.
@@stephannielsen4177 Nick will do a Kobe comparison because Kobe is a less version of Jordan (NO DISS AT ALL EITHER) But he does the comparisons with Kobe & Jordan more BECAUSE when he do TOTAL points rebounds & assist TOGETHER LeBron numbers are better but he NEVER compare LeBron to guys bigger than him because then the rebound numbers wouldn't be in his favor so Nick CAN'T SAY his famous "points rebounds & assist" line he uses so often
at this point, Nick Wrong has to be under LBJ's payroll. I can't see a different explanation. If we go with individual nrs, Wilt would be the GOAT, he isnt. Broussard said it right, greatest PG is Magic but nobody mentions Stockton and his assist record. MJ doesnt rank at the top spot from almost every major statistic but he is still considered as the GOAT or at least GOAT-candidat. Please, Nick Wrong, just stop it. In my book, LBJ is 6th in my book and thats more than fair.
@@Michael0409 Shannon is definitely boys with LeBron's crew. They be commenting and liking his ig posts often. Nick Wright is just a wannabe Skip Bayless. Sadly it worked.
4:34 If Stockton and Malone won championship then yes why not they are in conversation of greatest of all time especially Karl Malone Karl Malone would have 5 scoring title and multiple championship if it wasn't for Jordan he would be literally regarded as greatest power forward of all time Longevity alone doesn't matter but championship plus longevity that's a complete different story
Everything you just said is true…but guess who stopped him from winning those championships, MJ. Guess who stopped him from winning those scoring titles, MJ. Guess who stole his lunch in the final seconds of a game he was winning and made the game winning shot, MJ. Also, to whom more is given, then more is expected. People say Bron is the most complete player ever, makes his teammates better, and does more with less. But he’s had 19 seasons in this league and won 4times? All this time playing with two, if not one of the superstars in the league in their primes. How on earth he was deemed underdog in that 2016 finals is just beyond me. Having the supposed “GOAT”, skilled player in Kyrie, rebounding scorer in Love and a capable rebounding defender in Tristan. How are you an underdog in this situation. Yes, Curry won MVP but he was no way in hell better than Bron, just like Barkley winning MVP and meeting MJ in the final.
@@gideonarhin8287 you're absolutely right. It is what it is. At the end of the day, I don't think I ever heard any pro athlete get the excuses LeBron gets. That's why he's not the GOAT. Too many excuses for failing. I don't want to hear ish about the warriors. Those are the same warriors that LeBron fans tell me should have lost the fist time and should have lost to the Thunder the following year.
@@Highspirekid13 jordan didnt have to beat someone like the warriors because he was the warriors, not only that he won the championship while being the best regular season team
@@christianr1941 nobody is taking away but if u talk about that u have to talk about his break down in 2011 and how he has a losing record n the finals (when it matters)
I disagree slightly because for all of Lebron's fault and how his fanboys ride his dick, his twilight years are some of the most graceful we've seen in the NBA so he does deserves prop for that.
@@Ramona122003 I agree. LeBron does deserve props. What he's doing at age 37 is phenomenal. LeBron is helping his case by playing at a high level (on a bad team) but I think Jay is right that you don't stake your claim as the GOAT between ages 37-40. That's done earlier.
@@jakestephens9992 Stop that bs narrative. Lebron is NOT playing great. He is scoring great but there's nothing phenomenal about it. Taking 22 shots a game of which 8 are 3s, 15th in the league - as a freakin center. He aint passing as much and is averaging 8 rebounds per game - as a freakin center. That is not high level. The Lakers small ball offense is designed to make it easier for him to score. Everything else (wins) they accomplish is by accident.
@@Cheif_Espada Payton’s legacy was set long before his Super Bowl with Denver. That was just his cherry on top. If Chris Paul wins one this year and he is a visibly the reason it moves him up a peg, but he won’t be considered the best point guard ever. His legacy is basically set as well.
Jordan never asked for help. LeBron James always need help to win period. Nick ask ur self why LeBron James didn't win his first ring n Cleveland Y he joined with bosh n wade. Jordan won all his rings with the bulls period he never said i need help. LeBron James can't do it but 😢 for players to come n help him win
While Jordan never asked for help in the way Lebron has, Jordan did complain about how much his team didn't help. Which is why he played the Point Guard at one point to build up the confident of his team. There is actually a good video about this.
Jordan recruited denis rodman lol he never really asked for more help than lebron did but thats only because he had a incredible front office lebron didn’t.
@@Safsaf10 🤦♂️ todays athletes have less fundamentals and it’s easier to score with less physicality. Jordan would kill todays athletes and he would have jacked up more 3 point shots in todays soft no big man era
@Roy S. Do you realize how talented players are nowadays compared to the past? You clearly don't understand the gap. Competition now is light years ahead of those days.
@@Safsaf10 There are aspects of the game and players today that are advanced for multiple reasons, and aspects that have declined from players past so it goes both ways. But to say players today are “light years ahead” of players 20-30 years ago shows that you’re someone that doesn’t understand the game of basketball and that you’re simple minded when it comes to this topic. Saying things like, “MJ played against plumbers” proves my point about how simple minded you are.
It was over the moment he left Cleveland the first team to go join wade and Bosh…Jordan built up his championship teams - he didn’t leave and go team up and create stacked teams…
They never want that to happen though, bc it’s about ratings and sucking viewers in. If someone was to provide all of the facts that MJ is better there wouldn’t be any topic to discuss later on.
Nick HAS to be getting paid from lebron/klutch sports. Nick is logical except when it comes to lebron vs Jordan. Jordan is clearly the better player, lebron dont even play defense smh. How did lebron skip the line and bypass Kareem, Magic, Bird, Kobe ect. And go straight to Jordan comparisons? It has to be for ratings
Former ESPN analysts have come forward and admitted that they were forced to push the LeBron vs. Jordan debate. When they JUST finished the Jordan vs. Kobe debate 🤦♂️🤣. They said they got soo tired of it...but lebrons company had some sort of pull w the network and forced them to do it.
MJ has won 6 would have been 8 in a row if he didn't retire to play baseball. Hes the GOAT! There will never be another player like him in our life time. Case closed nothing to see here.
He might have a blemish on his finals record if he didn't step away. You mj stans are really funny yall bring up 6 and 0 like he has the most chip ever 11 and 1 is way better than 6 so bring something other rhan 6 and 0
*MATH QUESTION* MJ career ppg is 30.1 and his career spg is 2.3. If his career total pts is 32,292 and his career total steal is 2,514. He retired twice in his prime, and missed almost 4-5 seasons. What would be his career total pts and assists if he didn't retired twice? What would be his ranking in career total PTS and STL? *Clue :* He missed 361 games (147 games in 1994-1995; and 214 games in 1999-2001)
Ive watched the NBA since i was 5. Im 47 now never did i see Jordan give up and disappear in the finals, thats what ive seen in Ladrunk countless times.
U R right there isn't any debate the only thing MJ will have more of is chips... But he doesn't have the most chips... That would be B Russell with 11 R Horry 7
Listening to Nick always makes me lose brain cells. I am certain that he's just a paid internet troll because I refused to believe that he actually believes what he's saying.
I feel like all these pundits on ESPN on FSN don't really believe most of what they're saying. They're just trying to fill hours on 24 hour sports networks and providing cat nip for the cheap seats.
Even then his argument will hold no weight. The superteam creations are still there, the shortcomings are still there, the bad clutch fg% in the finals are still there, him having to do all of that in 20+ years while MJ did that in less time etc On to the next player to compare to MJ, the door was half way closed for LBJ after 2007 then completely shut in 2010 with his superteam creation followed by the biggest choke job ever.
Still not. He’s lost 6 finals, ring chased and joined other teams best player 3 different times, and he took way more years, finals appearances, and the nba changed the defensive rules, to help him score easier.
MJ never lost to lower seeds playoff teams. Lebron lost to lower seeds in 2011 nba finals, 2010 Conf semifinals, 2009 Conference finals. Lebron needs to surpass the standards jordan set, to surpass Jordan, without any biases attached, and he can’t do that unless he has a time machine, and gets to start all over with a clean slate.
1. The discussion was over in 2011 2. LBJ saw two people at his position WIN MVP in the finals. 3. 30 points at 37 years old is great IF YOU IGNORE that he gives up about 15 points on defense due to lack of effort and I'll timed 3s that lead to fast break points for the other team. 4. Nick is comparing LBJ in a spread the court, no big to clog the lane offense, with no handshaking to MJ in his era. It's LAUGHABLE! Nick is silly and has recency bias. I ignore his nonsense for the most part. LBJ couldn't even get more eyes on his bubble championship than MJ had on his Last Dance documentary.... Game Set Match
Great work fam! Chris Broussard is stealing your content😂😂😂. And he still doesn't do a good job! Smh. We need more channels like this. Talk FACTZ. Not this media driven bullshit.
"Got no help" Irving outscored curry in both finals they faced and held him to 30% shooting in the 7th game of the 2016 finals, plus ...hit the bomb in his face.
@@Cheif_Espada 1998 pippen didn't play for half of the year and the bulls still made it to the finals and won the with pippen playing hurt and scored just 8 points in the final game. 2011 withe big 3, all that help and got beat by JJ barrea, left the ghost with just 8 points, the dude is 5:8". All that help and got neat by the old spurs in 2014 and iguadola in 2015, all that help in his prime years
@@alfonsoterrero8840 kurkoc was the only guy who was averaging double digits. Rodman wasn't the same and pippen had injuries also was horrible in the finals, jordan carried that team. Yet u have bronsexuals claiming pippen carried him but Don't talk about 1997 and other years where pippen had bad games and jordan took over also won the bulls a game
It aint even longevity. Lebron has 8 7 game series while Jordan only has 3. Struggling through the playoffs will obviously generate more totals than simply destroying your opponents. Jordan playing best of 5 first round series also reduces his totals.
They don't. It's retaliation after over a decade of psychopath Jordan stans like the kid who made this video trying to discredit everything he's done out of insecurity.
Jordan as a rookie averaged 28-6-6 on 51% FG and led his team to the playoffs…. That’s better than most peoples MVP seasons and he did that as a rookie !
The only thing Nick accomplishes by bringing up Kareem is pointing out the fact that LeBron ain't even better than Kareem and I add in something else. He ain't better than magic Johnson neither and he might not be better than Larry Bird. Depending on whether or not you count the black lives matter bubble championship.
How does Nick leave out THAT KYRIE AVERAGE 40PTS THE LAST 3 GAMES OF THAT SERIES AND HIT THE GAME WINNING SHOT TO SEAL THE DEAL FOR THAT COMEBACK FOR THAT CHAMPIONSHIP 🏆
Nick and Shannon are just embarrassing. They say the most absurd things to help lebron. Like Shannon says lebron make his teammates better. But now that it's clear as day that lebron never made his teammates better. He just traded them and ran to se of the best players in the league. Shannon now says, I'm just watching to see how many points lebron scores. Or the lakers are losing, but lebron is winning. Str8 up hypocrite.
If it was crowning Lebron the Goat after three rings is Nicks argument. Why isn't Steph Curry the Goat. He got his three beating Lebron. Why isn't Kobe Bryant the Goat. He Three peated and did a repeat. Well Jordan three peated. Took a year off. three peated (AGAIN) Lebron repeated once. Beat the Warriors 1/4 times. And got a BIG* Astericks Bubble Championship. He's lost more than he's won. He's had more help. He's taken a longer time to do it. So congrats Lebron, you're a slightly more successful Karl Malone. That's still an accomplishment but you're no GOAT, You're a ScapeGOAT. Runs, Quits or Blames when the Competition is its toughest.
I watched MJ play from about 1988 (I was about 8 years old) through his retirement and I’ve watched Bron’s entire career. MJ is better and it’s not even close.
MJ separated himself from any comparisons - past or present(in his playing years) and proved he was on another level. Meanwhile this "kid from akron" is still riding MJ's coattails for 19 years trying to be relevant 😆
Jordan’s argument for being the goat. Perfect combination of individual stats, accolades and team success 1) 6 chips 6-0 2) 6 FMvPs nba record 3) 5 regular season MVPs only Kareem has more and won an mvp without making the playoffs 4) 10 scoring titles nba record 5) 3 steals titles 6) DPoY (only Hakeem, Giannis have won both mvp and DPoY in the same season) 7) 72-10…. Best wins record for a team that won the chip same year 8) highest scoring average both regular season and post season 9) 9 time all first defensive team tied with Kobe and KG for most first team all defensive selections 10) highest PER all time
& Kareem is a 6 time champion, but respectfully, Kareem was only best player on 3 of them with 2 mvps(because he was injured). & that Lakers roster was loaded through the whole 80s.
Don’t forget that he also played with the big O Oscar Robertson, Bob dandrige, Adrian dantley, norm Nixon, Lou Hudson, Michael cooper, magic Johnson, James worthy. That’s 5 hall of famers in there, Kareem was always surrounded by talent.
It SHOULD be 4 MVPs...In the 1980 Finals Magic had a GREAT series : 21.5 ppg/11.2 rpg/8.7 apg/ 2.7 apg Kareem averaged : 33.4 ppg/13.6 rpg/3.2 apg/4.6 bpg. It's close but I would've given the MVP to Kareem
@@twilitezn I agree but Kareem got hurt & didn’t play game & Magic played center, & scored 40 that game. & that would’ve made 3 had he won not 4. He only has 2 fmvps.
MJ brought 10's of millions of new American fans to the NBA during his career. LeBron's idiotic statements about politics, race baiting tactics, and his obsession with his own status has caused the NBA to LOSE 10's of millions of American. That alone not only doesn't put LeBron in the conversation for greatest player, it drops him out of the All-Time top 5 in my eyes.
The fact that Nick Wright and Skip Bayless don’t have at least one segment together annually is one of the greatest tragedies in sports. It’s the sports media equivalent of clash of the titans.
The longer LBJ delays his retirement from basketball the bigger the gap gets between MJ and him as the Greatest Of All Times. MJ is simply superior and the accolades speak for itself. The longer LBJ plays, yes he will break records, it would be just another asterisk in his resume if he wouldn’t but thats the point. LBJ has too many asterisks in his GOAT resume, jumping from team to team pursuing rings, stacking teams that would carry him to the finals to get what he wants. MJ simply did it better, in less time and with more accolades to show. Its simple.
Given Lebron scores most of his points close to the hoop, the nearly identical FG% leans heavily in MJ's favor. Shooting guards with a FG% similar to paint scorers like Lebron are far more valuable as it is much easier to find a replacement player who can make 50%+ near the hoop. MJ took high difficulty shots, often fading away, drifting right or left off a drive, 15-18 feet, etc. as you know if you were watching the NBA in the 80s and 90s, and as you can see from his highlight reels.
That 15-16 warriors team is so over fucking blown it's stupid. They played exceptional team ball that was their biggest talent outside of Steph's shooting. If LeBron was that dude he wouldn't have lost to them in 15 giving them the bullshit preview people had of them to begin with
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Idgaf about stats or accolades. I based it on the "eye test" having seen both play. There is no fucking doubt in my mind that MJ is the better player. No question.
I totally agree. Have never seen LBJ or Kobe as locked in and in control of the game on both sides for the entire game like Jordan. 6-0 in the Finals, 6 Finals MVPs, 5 MVPs, 10 scoring titles. He will never be duplicated.
@@jakestephens9992 the only player today that is similar to MJ is Kevin Durant. because KD can move without the ball and doesn’t slow down the whole offense just to iso for 10 seconds.
MJ did all his damage in the flow of the offense, sometimes only needing to take one dribble or catch and shoot.
@@nathans.6723 that’s what they’ll never understand if they didn’t see him play live. He scored so fast. Soon as he got the ball it was a bucket.
Better? Or TMAC was way better than lebron.. why conpare to MJ? hes not on the same level with MJ LOL
Exactly! I’ve watched both their careers. I don’t think we’ll ever see anything like MJ again. At least not from a guard. Lol! MJ would absolutely DESTROY this league today. I might get roasted for this but I would take Tim Duncan over LeBron. Maybe! I confess I do forget how dominant LJ has been over the last 19 years.
He always cries when trying to defend lebron with his invalid points. He tries to convince people with his tears. Fortunately not all of us are fools
Worse than fools, you guys are Stans that don’t watch film
Thats nothing to defend .He states some facts that u haters try hard to ignore .
@@yinyang6414 he uses stats out of context, then other stats to prop up LBJ but at same time will use it against guys like MJ/Kobe/KD/Jokic etc
There’s a reason why LBJ fans love him. They think just like him, or wait that’s right they just steal from him and try to pass off as the truth.
@@yinyang6414 Lol 😂 keep trolling
@@eazyduzit-tr3nx it feels like agenda that is similar to how franchises tear down their beloved character for the new one that no one really likes
How does the 2016 win over the 73-9 Warriors make LBJ the GOAT? If the 96 Sonics beat the 72-10 Bulls, would that have made Gary Payton the GOAT?
LeBron the G.O.A.T when it comes to Cheating & Lying... Bitchin & Crying!!
Dude u said it all they would said Payton n Shawn Kemp is the goat
That’s the funny thing about it, LBJ fans wouldn’t be calling Payton/Kemp the goats for winning, will only clown MJ for losing against a “weak” team.
Or Eli Manning is the goat for beating the Patriots twice once when they were previously undefeated.
Excellent point! Ridiculous that people made that claim (including LBJ) when you add that we all know many of the 6 Bulls championship teams were much better team than the '16 Warriors.
Nick Wright doesn't actually believe that LeBron is the GOAT. He is just trying to make himself relevant because it gets attention.
The numbers on Lebron’s jersey says it all.
And it’s not working. Phucing goofball.
Just a paid employee of Klutch just like that talking horse Shannon.
Give it 2 years after Lebron retired from the NBA, he'll switch up and start claiming someone else as the GOAT.
Nick wright is one of the best he is100 percent right about lebron been the goat just check LeBron numbers in 19 years best all around player.also at 37 years old with sore knees he is leading the NBA in scoring with 30 points per game he past Karl Malone and will be tops when he brakes Kareem all time scoring record so Skip Bayless and the haters need to keep their mouth shut .. lebron James will be the greatest
This man was calling LBJ the GOAT and trying to diminish MJ like 4 years ago or some shit. This comes as no surprise.
6 years
In this one he keeps on talking about, "did you guys make your mind up ten years ago that Jordan was better than LBJ?" I distinctly remember articles coming out after LBJ won his FIRST title that he was already better than MJ back then. Absolute ridiculousness, thats the type of shit that added to the Lebron hate
Bron fans like to bring down and discredit players Iike jordan or kobe. Too somehow make a arguement that favors Bron. They do this by bringing up false narratives.
@@Tony-fq5bn yep, don’t forget early on how his fans and media were saying he was better than MJ bc he was “bigger/faster/stronger” lol
@@tj5180 boy if this isnt projection in its purest form, idk what is 😂😂
Lebron does not even add up to Kobe.. why people automatically compare LJ to the GOAT MJ is fukkin Ridiculous..
The media hates Kobe that's why. Kobe had a rape case. The NBA wasn't going to push Kobe as the next big superstar
Thank u my brother real talk .. took words out my mouth the mamba before that injury was tearing his young ass up with those signature Jordan moves with that mamba sauce on it.. fuc labumme and his sneakers. My collection only has two brothas Jordan Kobe. No more no less..
Agreed !!! Even Bird and Magic were better players for their each respective teams. They were pressure 4th quarter players didn't flop and whine on and off the court and lastly didn't chase championships jumping from team to team !!!
Exxxxactly
It's not us . It's the lemedia
Lebron plays in a league where you can't be touched Jordan would get suplexed takin it to the hole
This is why LeFlop's points total isn't impressive. Any who is 6'8" and at least slightly athletic could score the types of baskets he typically gets. Dunking/layups on an unprotected rim.
I watched highlights from him passing Malone. One of the highlights (might be the actual bucket to pass the Mailman) he catches the ball (travels) and dunks or does a layup( i dont remember how it went in.)
What I do remember is: There are two defenders that just stand there. Literally as if it were a layup drill in practice. Barely moved a muscle.
Now compare that to Jordan going around Oakley and another knick, and dunking over the top of Ewing. Or watch a full game from the ECF against the Bad Boys in 89 and 90. Then realise Jordan averaged 29.7 in 89ECF and over 32ppg in 90ECF while being hammered by the (arguably) dirtiest team in NBA history.
@@jonathandepue629 so all of Giannis points/accolades aren’t impressive then ALL HE DO IS RUN AND DUNK
@@sosaraycharles358 I haven't seen enough of Giannis's games. He came in around the time I gave up on the NBA. I haven't really been interested in it since 2012ish and haven't watched a full game since 2017.
If most of Giannis's scoring is done with what is essentially a practice layup/dunk drill on an unprotected rim, then no, it isn't impressive.
And Michael would still dunk it lol
sounds painful
The 3-1 comeback was impressive, but a one game Draymond suspension and Andrew Boguts injury was more than enough to help the cavaliers. People focus too much on points and don’t realize how losing those two completely eliminated the warriors inside presence.
You think just like me!! Awesome 🤩 Respect fam! It’s exactly what I saw and curry was injured during the series with Houston and okc after the Houston series went up 3-1 against the warrior until curry pulled a rabbit out the hat! Warrior chased the best record in history which hindered their personal health
Dwade in 2006 was a better comback than the 3-1. Dwade average 34 and had two players average 15. Lebron average 29 and got 27 from Kyrie and 10 apiece from Smith and Thompson who also average 10rebounds.
When you become champion from 3-1 come back, you will immediately be the GOAT! Hahhahhahha!
And the refs man, they were very inconsistent on calls for both teams at crucial times putting Steph in early foul trouble - imo 2016 chip has a big *
@@bobbyd1632 it was clearly rigged because they wanted to prolong Lebron’s legacy. They had no idea GSW would get KD and eliminate the ability to be cheated again. So they took Kobe’s death as a chance to gift him another ring. Kobe is better than Lebron imho.
LeBron has more assist because Jordan is the person you pass too 💯
Exactly!!
That dont make no sense
@@christianr1941 yeah you're right😒
Facts!!...for all the assists he has, Bron is also the all-time leader in turnovers🤔😬✌
@@TheVanexel23 that's something fans never bring up. LeBron has a lot of turnovers.
And it's funny because people blame his playoff losses on his teammates because LeBron put up crazy offensive numbers.
But one thing the fans don't point out his how he performed in the 4th quarter especially when it comes to crucial turnovers or missed free throws.
Once again, Jordan is more accomplished, more skilled, more fundamentally sound and overall better player than LeBron, all done in less time played. It's ok LeBron fans to be 2nd, it's ok, you can cry yourselves to sleep in the corner where y'all belong.
Still not #2 needs too much help to win too many flaws weaknesses in Lebron’s game and has not been a defender for à large portion of his career who has Lebron prevented from hoisting an NBA title
He’s not number 2. Lmfao
@@salomoney23 you better watch out! He might make adam silver give him 2 more rings to make him the goat!
lol Bronsexualists are the most embarrassing fan base in sports history, thats why most of their accounts on socials are burner troll accounts, faceless cowards, i wouldnt want to show my face to. MJ is the clear goat
@@DakotaMambaPrescott244 keep on laughing bro ain’t nothing to support him being number 2 there have been better players ahead or him throughout NBA history Just because some media fanboys and à few casual obsessed fans who don’t know basketball past Lebron rookie years say he’s #2 if not the gr8est give it any form of validity
This debate was over long ago. Jordan is and will always be greater than LeBron. Period.
Caruso just entered the chat lol
100% facts
Lbj is the true goat let's face it he did more with less most y'all just stuck on what u saw in the past and are afraid to recognize the beast that is Bron
@@tysondaniel9720 more with less 🤣
@@tysondaniel9720 more with less? Boy you are blind. Delete your account now.
MJ has 2 3-peats, Lebron has none….
Yeah, but how many mickey mouse championships does MJ have?
@@waysofzen Please state which one of Jordan’s championships are “Mickey Mouse championships”.
@@waysofzen#1 Michael Jordan led the NBA in scoring for an entire season 10 times. Lebron James led the NBA in scoring for an entire season 1 time. #2 Michael Jordan has the highest plus/ minus rating in NBA history. #3 Michael Jordan led the NBA in steals for an entire season 3 times and was defensive player of the year in the NBA in 1988. Lebron James never led the NBA in any defensive category for an entire season. And was never NBA defensive player of the year. #4 Lebron James has the most turnovers in NBA history. #5 Michael Jordan has the highest regular season career scoring average in NBA history. 30.12 points per game. Wilt Chamberlain is 2nd place 30.07 points per game. #6 Michael Jordan has the highest career NBA post season scoring average 33.45 points per game. #7 Michael Jordan has 2 NBA slam dunk championships. Boring Lebron James has ZERO NBA SLAM DUNK CHAMPIONSHIPS. So guess why people wear Air Jordan sneakers and not Lebron James sneakers mostly. #8 Michael Jordan has 6 NBA Finals MVP"s . Lebron James has 4 NBA Finals MVP's. #9 Lebron James has lost 11 PLAYOFF SERIES. Michael Jordan has only lost 7 PLAYOFF SERIES.
Jordan is actually GOOD at basketball
How many times he missed the playoffs vs lebron how many times he quit vs lebron how many times did Jordan do everything for his team vs lebron all y’all can talk about is scoring but nothing else Jordan never checked the best players but lebron did talk facts
Lebron in 9th place with an over the top loaded roster of superstars 😂 he’s the bum in the GOAT conversation every time. There’s several players greater than LeChina James. Jordan shouldn’t even be mentioned in the same sentence as any other player in history. They should be comparing James to the other greats who didn’t need damn near 20 seasons to rack up stats
Look how the pro LBJ media is slowly trying to shift the narrative now, if they get in the playoffs it’s gonna be about how he “carried” that “trash” team to the playoffs at 40 years old (really 36-37 but we know LBJ fans love to round out his age for a more dramatic narrative).
Imma say this. The other night he was on the floor closing the game with Gabriel, Johnson, reeves ,himself and monk. Westbrook was on the bench Melo was Dwight was all of them were on the bench for those guys I named. I'm just saying none of these dudes are playing significant minutes on a contender TODAY.
He’s been to 10 finals elected to multiple all nba and he’s always top 5 in the mvp votes MJ was great but Lebron isn’t a bum to him your fandom is a little out there
Some people say the 3-1 come back was all because Draymond missed a game and Bogut got hurt but MJ first chip came at the expense of 2 of the Lakers starters being hurt (SG)(SF) they won 4-1 and the only game the Lakers won was when the defensive stopper himself MJ held Magic the entire game and he put up a triple double game’s 2-5 Pippen held Magic and the Bulls didn’t loss a game
What superstars does Lebron have beside AD who is more injured than not?If AD aint playing he doesnt count if Lebron has him or not on his team .Dont u agree ?
It's the right way to see it. I love a good debate about this sort of thing... when it comes to anyone EXCEPT Jordan... because it isn't fun.
I will argue Bird against LeBron to anyone who will listen... or not tell me to shut up. I like the position comparison better... and I think it's an easy argument... doesn't mean he is better... and doesn't mean LeBron isn't great.
Compared to Jordan though... they are all interchangeable parts.
Tim Duncan is the "goat" of interchangeable parts btw ;-P
No one should take Nick Wright seriously. He honestly tweeted and believed that KD was the best player in the NBA OVER LeBron in 2014. The guy is a running joke.
Miguel
Why is James 4-6 finals record is so trash???,
I know why cause James is not the GOAT 🐐 it’s Wilt Chamberlain or Michael Jordan or Kareem or Bill Russell that is the Basketball 🏀 goat.
That DELETED Tweet he also said that Lebron is the most Overrated player in the League
@miguelzaibatsu Jordan trash in scoring but he was scoring 30s 40s and 50s in his games smh get out of here clown
@@lightninggaming016 MJ NEVER beat Zeke, Bird, or Magic in their Primes. FACTS!!!
@@michaelmcmillan1425 he most definitely beat magic and zeke in there primes
LeBron started with good hopes to challenge Jordan's greatness during his early cavs years.
To me, it crumbled more and more since his bandwaggon to miami, ridiculous floppings, finding excuses after each post season defeat, claiming himself goat.
You sound more like you hate that man though!
@@teresacrump9005 there is a HUGE difference between hating the player and hating the actions
Lol losing in 07 17 and 18 isn’t an excuse tho that’s y’all problem. You can’t look at anything objectively. Good players with no help don’t win chips, teams do. Same reason why MJ couldn’t get past the celts or Detroit until he got a squad. Doesn’t make him look bad and shouldn’t make lebron look bad either
@@julian2238 07 was fine he did everything what he could.
11 was bad. 2014 he made excuses again after the spurs defeated them.
2018 he gave up after game 1.
That sounds about right...he had alot of potential but chose to ride on cruise control instead of improve...
Instead of improve.. builds overpowered teams , then blames them when it fails.
Bails every time it gets too hard.. and only played defense about 2 or 3 years whilst rest of time expecting teams to play 4 vs 5..
He had a promising future but become too obsessed with racking up stats and relying on teams to get the wins..
Had he just kept pushing for wins instead of trying to maneuver himself into goat stats would have had a better chance...but as the went on he just becomes more of a joke every year.
No help is when a player at 35, with the second scorer and defender is out half of the season, still takes his team to the finals and the second best player is playing hurt and scores just 8 points in the final game...and still wins the title and the MVP!
A goat is someone who is drafted to a historically consistent losing organization and through disappointment, adversity, grit and determination turns that organization into one of the greatest dynasties in NBA history. I watched Michael Jordan play through all those losses in the playoffs to Boston and Detroit. It forged him into the winner that he became. If LeBron had stayed in Cleveland and then won 3 chips and an asterisk then he may have a case of top 2-5 players of all time, but he didn’t. He chose the easy road and that’s why I and other people don’t respect him.
@miguelzaibatsu That’s probably the dumbest thing I’ve ever read in a RUclips comment section….and that’s a fucking low bar dude!
@miguelzaibatsu that was seriously the dumbest comment i have ever read. jordan has the highest career points per game in history. and highest career points per game in playoffs. how is that trash at scoring? and probably 80% of nba players say he would be AVERAGING 40 to 50 in today's game. the defense was wayy more aggressive then than it is today. a single player getting a game high score doesnt mean anything. look at david robinson. he scored 71 points because he was in the running for most season points against shaq, and his entire team made sure he took all the shots. what you just said has to be the most ignorant and idiotic thing i have heard in an extremely long time
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Jordan would have killed everyone in this era! Jordan used to embarrassed big solid 7 footers back in days..he will be shooting free throws non stop on this era he be averaging 45 and up! Mj is the GOAT!
lol... the things you people belive are hilarious. American propaganda is a thing of beauty i tell you
Its hilarious if u dont know anything about basketball..Like you 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
Please stop with your nonsense, MJ couldn't average 38, who are you kidding?
@@vondeenow1225 good for him
@@vondeenow1225 nosense huh? The only thing that has no sense is your Basketballl IQ 🥴😂😂😂
73% from the free throw line eliminates Lebron in any comparisons to Jordan. His mid range game is complete garbage as well.
why? free shots? lebron shots better from open play... why would free shots eliminate him? sounds illogical
@@jaysandi88 go read his shot charts, he shoots poorly from everywhere, LeBron is a horrible shooter (abysmal for a SF and horrendous for a PG)
@@hridaymihirpatel4412 and somehow… he has a better shooting percentage than Jordan and far better than Kobe… soooo
@@jaysandi88 casual bball watcher right here. DeAndre Jordan has the highest FG% in history, doesn’t mean anything. Where one shoots for matters, go learn math
@sportsbanter6359. 🤦. His shooting PERCENTAGE is high, because his shots come from within 3 FEET of the basket. Layups and dunks. That does not make him a good SHOOTER. You don't know what you're talking about
Zero debate. MJ is the greatest to ever lace em up and Lebron sadly is not even close
Big debate, way closer than u think and MJ isn’t winning if u look at all the facts and not the 6 chips. Never won without Pippen but let’s overlook that
Mj the goat but dont say it isn't even close because lebron has a arguement
It’s not close at all just look at what’s happening now
plenty of debate... Lebron is not close true... hes miles ahead
Are you really as empty as you just posted?
when you judge a man by his stats you already dont know squat about basketball. Jordan was an assassin.
Sports is literally judged off of stats though
MJ has better stats on per game basis, per season basis, and playoff averages.
LeFraud only has longevity stats
Jordan has better stats than Lebron, that's the moronic part about Nick Wright.
@miguelzaibatsu Nice Bait.
@miguelzaibatsu MJ 63 points highest playoff scoring game All Time.
#1. All Time playoff scoring avg
#1. All Time Finals scoring avg
#1. All Time reg season scoring avg
Nick Wright was 4 years old when Bulls won their 1st championship... he don't know what he's talking about 💯
he's delusional
You don’t either 😐
@@youngfabb4200 I live in the middle of Detroit in Chicago and seen every single game I'm pretty sure I do 🤷♂️
help me understand how that matters again? if feel like that makes him more objective about Jordan... wasnt influenced by all the market gimmicks of making him look like he could do no wrong
@@jaysandi88 jordan didn't Have someone like nick Wright to make excuses for him when he faltered
The hilarity is that NO ONE mentions that Lebron hasn't played defense consistently since 2015. That might be a just as big a reason as not beating the mavericks. People seriously undervalue how much seeing your leader go all out on defense makes the rest of the team do it too.
2013. Nearly a decade of no defense.
Lebron’s never played defense in his career. I don’t understand where people are getting the last couple years from
Facts. Since he came back to Cleveland, he’s used the regular season to pad stats.
@@Dark-kp9kz - obviously born after LeBron was drafted.
@@leadernotafollower296 Your favorite player wishes he could "pad stats" to the all time leading scorer lmfao cry
Lebron spent his prime playing in the weak east surrounded by multiple all stars in a soft flopping era..the conversation should have been over in 07 when he couldn't rally his team to win even a single game.,but people gave him a pass..but in 2011 he choked and lost again that should have been it..he's playing in a weak conference with multiple all stars and role players he wants to play with! For fucks sake how many passes does he get?
Mr Jerome you are not alone in your thoughts LeBron got took out of the GOAT talk for me also but his fanboys will disagree and that's okay we all know the truth
I agree
MJ played in the weak 90s ,one of the weakest eras in basketball .
@@yinyang6414 The idiocy knows no bounds, judging by that comment…
@@stevonwhite8933 prove him wrong?
5:42 its funny how anytime Nick/LBJ fans bring this up they never acknowledge what Kyrie did in that 3 game span as well.
30 ppg on 52.3% shooting and 52.9% from 3, he outplayed Curry who was the Warriors best player. This is better than a lot of #1 guys and he was doing this as a second option. Not to mention how he had the most ppg average in the finals (at that point) by a second option ever.
You’d think he was shooting bricks or that LBJ was going 1 on 5 the way LBJ fans speak about that series.
Every time James fans argue Jordon had the greatest complementary player in pippen and the best coach ever and all his competition were complete and total trash but LeBron always played against God's and all his super star help were bums pulled off the street. The mental gymnastics to sustain that fantasy is astounding
Kyrie avg 30 points for the 4 Cavs wins in 2016 finals. Kyrie 30 points game 3 win, 8 assists. Kyrie 41 points game 5 win, 70% FG, 6 assists. Kyrie 23 points in game 6 win hai worst game in a win 38% FG .Kyrie 26 points game 7, plus game winning shot from Lebron inbound pass, Kyrie 43% FG in game 7, Lebron 37% FG in game 7. Kyrie avg 30 points per win. Ive never seen 2 teammates avg 30 points per win and win an nba title before 2016.
Their argument against Jordan is that he played with Pippen!
Pippen has never avg more than 21 pts in finals series.
Compare that to Kyrie with 27 and 29 ppg!
RIGHT!!
@@torbjornripstrand1103 exactly, could you imagine if MJ had Pippen averaging 30 ppg in a 3 finals game span? LBJ fans would be telling us he got carried.
Now imagine if LBJ had this as a sidekick....
Pippen last 3 games in the finals
96 13.3 ppg 29.6%
97 18.7 ppg 36%
98 14 ppg 36.6%
Dudes would be whining that Pippen gave LBJ no help, and that he carried him.
No matter what he try’s to say look at the reaction of the crowd when Jordan came out at the diamond aperiance
What fools like Nick Right and Shannon NEVER bring up or acknowledge is that this entire “debate” ended before bron won his first championship… the min he decided to take his talents to south beach and turn the settings from all madden down to starter, it was over… Nick will try to make a case that MJ quit… but HE NEVER mentions that bron literally quit playing in Cleveland because he couldn’t get over the hump… right their it was over…
The funny thing about LeBron going to Miami is that cleveland were favorites to get to the finals those last two years.
They had the best record in the conference and NBA too. He did quit. He quit in the middle of a playoff series against Boston.
Cavs were even favorites over Boston
lol, 2011 vs Dallas went 6 games. JJ Barea torture chamber.
LeFraud has 4 other Finals losses where he got beaten worse.. Swept twice, head bust 4-1 twice more.
So in your mind not making to finals is better than losing in the finals interesting... I never look at it from that point view
@@gregorylawrence9729 Well if you get swept or humiliated 4-1. Then your team was probably weaker then the Western conf Finalist.
btw
- Chicago MJ only missed the Finals 6 times.. LeFraud also missed the Finals 6 times in Cleveland before having to go to Miami just to win his first ring.
@@KaineTremaine if MJ played 13 season for the Bulls and won 6 chips... What happen that 1 yr did he go to the finals and bulls tied with another team... Now that would be a 1s... 7 + 6 = 13 right
@@KaineTremaine MJ know all about getting swept twice only difference MJ happen in the 1st rounds he weren't able to make it to the finals
@@gregorylawrence9729 Those seasons he got swept. He was still a better player than Cleveland LeFraud.
2.42 alone for a 7 season period shits over LBJ total career pretty much.. End of discussion right there.. MJ accomplished more in less time than Queen James. FACTS!!!!!!!
I get a laugh out of nick wright using jordan having not led the playoffs in assists or rebounds throughout any playoffs. Who cares? For all the stats lebron accumulated , he still lost.
And why would jordan lead in rebounds as a guard in a league full of true bigs? Why would he lead in assists in a system where there was no true PG? Makes no sense nick.
One needs to understand basketball to understand the points you made. I am tired of telling this to Bron fans who thinks Scottie was better.
plus not all stats are equal anyway. Points are better than assists and rebounds. They only equate them to make the argument for LBJ.
Does Nick Wright even know the role of each basketball position? Jordan is a shooting guard and Lebron is a shooting forward position whose roles is to get rebounds.
@@Tippotipo shooting forward.... question should be... do you understand basketball
Exactly...Jordan did not lead league in Assists or Rebounds...HOW the Heck is that even RELEVANT??
I believe this is Lebrons issue. During part of Lebrons prime the big question was Kobe or Lebron, and in a huge part of basketball players opinions it was Kobe. During MJs prime there wasn’t one person that thought any other player was better. Basically from 87 until 98 everyone knew who the best player was.
Facts!! The only time there was even remotely a debate or conversation was in 1992 when bunch of news and media outlets were saying Drexler (who was 2nd in MVP behind MJ) was a better and more versatile shooter because Drexler is just a much better 3 point shooter and thus could outplay Jordan with that ability but in the NBA Finals Jordan put all that to rest after famously saying "He's a better 3 point shooter than I let him be"
Lebron’s record against Kobe is 16-6….
@@nicoboiii head to head match ups don’t mean much unless it is the playoffs.
@@joesanthosh5315 There was a small push for Karl Malone being the best In 91..
MJ is the 🐐! Not only in the court but what MJ did for the nba league is unbelievable!
We are seeing what would have happened all along if LBJ played a better conference. That’s not his fault, but MJ dominated the entire league. There’s never been a player to impose his will on the game to win. LBJ is a jackhammer. MJ is an earthquake.
Dominated a water down league
Ohhh! LOVE IT!!! “LBJ IS A JACK HAMMER MJ IS AN EARTH QUAKE” FOGED ABOUD IT!
@@headnogood2 I’ve never seen the media gravitate toward a player when they didn’t win like they do LBJ. Case in point: your Lakers today. LBJ dominates the narrative, even though other players got chips during his tenure as the “best player in the league.” LBJ gets the NBA storyline by hype. MJ earned it with winning chips. MJ sent legends retiring without rings. MJ is a winner. LBJs finals appearances are good, but not closing the deal keeps him from having the reputation at being a flat out winner.
The reason I can’t say 2013 Lebron is objectively one of the best ever is because he was playing with a super team. It makes it so much easier to gets stats and open shots when defenses have so many other threats to worry about.
Actually it make him look even worse..lol. All that help...
He had better stats in 2016 finals. Idk why nick would even bring up 2011 as lebrons best season. Can't even put up a good argument if he wanted
The Bulls had super teams too.
@@Cheif_Espada The bulls didn’t have any super team. Three of their Hall of players were drafted by the Bulls. Lebron had a team with 3 of the leagues top 7 players in the league .
@@earlrose1009 bruh compared to the NBA during that time it was a Super Team. I’m fucking high and u idiots are pissing me off
Nick here some numbers that mean something! 72-10 with a chip! 2 three peats! 6-0 without seeing a game 7! Them the numbers that make MJ the Goat!
no they just prove he played against weak competition
@@jaysandi88 Please it proved that there was no competition in the League for the Bulls....LBJ played in the weak leases conference in the East that what got there so many times and wt lost and set a NBA record that stands today the only player to lose more finals than anybody in History....You play the game for W not Ls.....l guess you can call LBJ the Billy goat for talking trash and like trash as well never like Dirk and never will but he did exposed LBJ as trash but LBJ think along with his fans his the goat laughable and his game beside MJ....Eye test don't lie but dumb silly Nick Wright do
Give MJ all the accolades that you want, but you need to account for the other 9-years that he went home early.
Lebron got that chip in '16 and became complacent (partly do to his megafans). Now he thinks he can add to his (thought) goat resume by accumulating the stats. The thing that he and his fans dont realize is that while Lebron's stats will be remembered and noted, what also will be remembered and noted is HOW LONG it took to achieve the stats not only collectively, but PROPORTIONALLY. When it's all factored, something will stand out:
.....Jordan achieved more than Lebron in lesser time....
🎯
If the NBA GOAT got outplayed by a 6’1 guard a.k.a Jason Terry, what kind of GOAT is that? Can he be called a GOAT? Hahaha.
Aye nigga don't forget Jason Terry came off the BENCH 😂😂
and the media keep on using Lebron's dunk on Terry as top dunks of all time just to miss this fact lol
That dunk's no big deal lol I even cringe Bron need to stare down a smaller guard pfft
@@guccikilla360 Terry and JJ Barea cooked his a$$ and one game held LeBron to 8 points. Lol.
And he was like 35 about to retire. LeBron reignited Terry's career lol made him stick around a few more years. Lol
For me...if your teammates need to push you into defensive position...you lose all rights to being called a 🐐.
Funny because your goat was getting his ass bust by Isiah Thomas who is actually shorter 🤣🤣🤣
1:08-1:12 LBJ groupies everywhere can relate to that feeling, look at him struggling to find an answer. Take a look in the mirror LBJ fans, that is really you.
They never have a case for LBJ over MJ’s accomplishments. There’s a reason why they call his era “weak”, that he had a “superteam” bc it’s the only way for them to convince themselves those accolades mean nothing. That’s why you also see them make up pointless criteria for the goat title that favors LBJ. I mean take a look at this...
Finals losses
Less first round losses
Accumulative stats
“What if” scenarios
I’m sure there’s more but look at that, I’ve never heard LBJ fans praise a guy like Karl Malone for having 3 finals losses, boosting him up bc he lost to MJ twice, having more points than him, being 2nd all time (at the time) in scoring. That’s not a goat
case, only until LBJ came in the league and started racking up stats, having more shortcomings than wins is when shit flipped.
Point blank period 💯
The superteam argument only really works for the 96-97 Bulls. The 91-93 Bulls were great, but outside of Jordan they only had Pippin as the other HOF players and Pippin wasn't even an All-Star in 91. Most NBA fans probably couldn't name half of the 91-93 roster. The 98 Bulls was running on fumes with Pippin being out for most of the season and having a bad back and Rodman being burnt out by that point.
Well said.
It goes both ways y’know. Before Lebron came into the league, rings weren’t the standard for greatness. Jordan was considered the greatest with 1 or 2 rings. But now, rings are all that matter. But of course, if / when somebody gets more rings than MJ in the future, rings suddenly won’t matter anymore. If Jordan has the most rings, rings are everything. If he doesn’t, the goalposts are moved and rings ain’t the standard anymore.
@@gggyy7104 There are players with more rings than Jordan fairly recently, yet no one mentions him.
It's kinda funny and sad how Bron has so many media groupies pushing the narrative that he's the GOAT, yet vast majority of the world still has MJ as the clear GOAT 🤣🤣
Nevermind the stats. MJ is head and shoulders above Bron off eye test alone. I feel bad for kids that never got to see him or Kobe play.
The entire NBA feared Michael Jordan. Jordan was so dominant he had to invent reasons or make up slights in order to motivate himself to play at his absolute best.
No one fears Lebron James in that way. He has never had an aura of invincibility about him and despite all his accomplishments, he has just as many examples of how beatable he is even when he surrounds himself with other elite players.
MJ is the GOAT hands down.
More feared doesn’t mean better basketball player
@@Palm99-99 It does when the conversation is about basketball.
False narratives .Bird and IT was never afraid of MJ .Both this legends dominated Jordan .
@@yinyang6414 Bruh why are you trolling every comment thread. Get off LeBron's nuts
@@yinyang6414 MJ beat both Bird and IT eight in the game Olympic vs NBA All-Stars. Bird recognized MJ as a disguised god and IT had to invent the Jordan rules to contain him. Yet MJ was in the rebuilding team that did not make the playoff prior of his draft.
Forget the bubble. Him and AD were injured when the league stopped. Without that unforeseen event the team might not have been health enough for any type of playoffs
They would lost especially with Rondo hurt too. He was a key reason they won.
Well that's a complete lie. The Lakers were rolling and just beat the other two best teams in the league. Both LeBron and AD were at 100%. Giannis did get injured though. You MJ stans/LeBron haters are so dishonest
@@jjab430 Rondo was hurt and he was a key reason they won. And no way AD makes it through an entire season. Has nothing to do with hate. No one respects that bubble ring except for lebron fans who think he’s close to MJ. Everyone else knows he’s not. Doesn’t matter what he does.
what was their record again?
@@fuddyduddie1205 jesus
9:37. Not true. Reason Mike is clearly better than both Kareem and LBJ is because of his PEAK. MJ’s peak is much higher than both of them. That’s the issue.
PEAK is what u make it, just go by career and it will show u. WILT PEAK KILLS MJ PEAK SO WHAT ARE U SAYING?!? Next argument please
@@Cheif_Espada WILT? the boastful guy? WILT played in an era where only 8 teams. He had the HEIGHT but no moves
@@classicdufferin8739 MJ was in an Expansion Era that added 7 teams in 8 years. That’s very little elite talent dispersed and a lot of bad teams to beat down
good take. when MJ was in his peak the other team experienced 3 years of drought. then 2 years of good weather then back to 3 years of drought again lmao.
@@Cheif_Espada it does in terms of individual stats but guess what? MJ’s peak his individual stats were better than anyone’s in the history of the league aside from Wilt PLUS a threepeat. Wilt never did that. He won TWO rings in total. SO NEXT ARGUMENT please. Peak INCLUDES team success PLUS individual abilities/impact/stats
Nick playing a dangerous game when he brung up Kareem trying to say that the gap between Jordan to Kareem & LeBron was THAT wide...... The gap between Jordan & LeBron IS THAT BIG but the gap between Jordan and Kareem is NOT that huge & thats because Kareem BETTER than LeBron & HOPEFULLY people will realize that because if you notice Nick ONLY does LeBron & Jordan comparisons WHY has he NEVER done a LeBron vs Kareem comparison? 🤔 Oh it'll show LeBron ISN'T EVEN #2 all time either 🤷🏾♂️
Well he also skips Kobe Bryant, i dont think Lebron has passed KB yet.
Wilt Chamberlain, Bird, Magic, Hakeem, Duncan, are all better than lebron
This is why looking at just stats and not actually having viewed these players playing entire games and seasons is folly. If you could put Jordan In a time machine and let his prime years be in Bron's era and Send back Bron to Mike's era....🤣🤣🤣🤣
Bron would still be a great player but not as great....for as long. Why? Because his greatest strength his size and speed wouldn't be as great an advantage under the rules and style on NBA play. He could not play bully ball as effectively. Defense could more effectively keep the ball out of his hands....he would have been beat on like Shaq was...more injuries.....
Jordan in LeBron's era of touch fouls...eurosteps...no handchecking....increased 3pt attempts which lead to even more runouts...Jordan would lead the NBA in scoring....steals....blocks probably and assists if he desired. He also would have been more efficient longer without the wear and tear of physicality and recruiting two all NBA players to be beside him each year so you could never effectively double and triple team every trip down court.
@@stephannielsen4177 Nick will do a Kobe comparison because Kobe is a less version of Jordan (NO DISS AT ALL EITHER) But he does the comparisons with Kobe & Jordan more BECAUSE when he do TOTAL points rebounds & assist TOGETHER LeBron numbers are better but he NEVER compare LeBron to guys bigger than him because then the rebound numbers wouldn't be in his favor so Nick CAN'T SAY his famous "points rebounds & assist" line he uses so often
@@bobbykotick2642 I got him & Bird as even but Magic Kareem Duncan Kobe are definitely ahead of him
I’m done with this “debate”
at this point, Nick Wrong has to be under LBJ's payroll. I can't see a different explanation.
If we go with individual nrs, Wilt would be the GOAT, he isnt.
Broussard said it right, greatest PG is Magic but nobody mentions Stockton and his assist record.
MJ doesnt rank at the top spot from almost every major statistic but he is still considered as the GOAT or at least GOAT-candidat.
Please, Nick Wrong, just stop it.
In my book, LBJ is 6th in my book and thats more than fair.
Him and Shannon sharp
@@Michael0409 Shannon is definitely boys with LeBron's crew. They be commenting and liking his ig posts often.
Nick Wright is just a wannabe Skip Bayless. Sadly it worked.
I want to see you justify anyone in NBA history better than Wilt, then or now!
@@MikeBNumba6 - Skip Bayless has become a clown in recent years...Nick is very relevant.
4:34 If Stockton and Malone won championship then yes why not they are in conversation of greatest of all time especially Karl Malone
Karl Malone would have 5 scoring title and multiple championship if it wasn't for Jordan he would be literally regarded as greatest power forward of all time
Longevity alone doesn't matter but championship plus longevity that's a complete different story
Tra Guy- Stockton was far more valuable to the Jazz team than Malone.
Everything you just said is true…but guess who stopped him from winning those championships, MJ. Guess who stopped him from winning those scoring titles, MJ. Guess who stole his lunch in the final seconds of a game he was winning and made the game winning shot, MJ. Also, to whom more is given, then more is expected. People say Bron is the most complete player ever, makes his teammates better, and does more with less. But he’s had 19 seasons in this league and won 4times? All this time playing with two, if not one of the superstars in the league in their primes. How on earth he was deemed underdog in that 2016 finals is just beyond me. Having the supposed “GOAT”, skilled player in Kyrie, rebounding scorer in Love and a capable rebounding defender in Tristan. How are you an underdog in this situation. Yes, Curry won MVP but he was no way in hell better than Bron, just like Barkley winning MVP and meeting MJ in the final.
Kareem accomplished more in 19 years than LeBron
@@gideonarhin8287 you're absolutely right.
It is what it is. At the end of the day, I don't think I ever heard any pro athlete get the excuses LeBron gets.
That's why he's not the GOAT. Too many excuses for failing.
I don't want to hear ish about the warriors. Those are the same warriors that LeBron fans tell me should have lost the fist time and should have lost to the Thunder the following year.
I've never seen someone publicly choke on another man's falice so often in my life. How does Nick still have a job
You answered you're own question
Jordan is better than LeBron for no reason other than he never needed to "comeback" from 0-3 in the Finals.
Thats dumb as hell. The Warriors were the most high scoring team in NBA history. Jordan didn't face any offense like them so that's a dumb take.
@@Highspirekid13 jordan didnt have to beat someone like the warriors because he was the warriors, not only that he won the championship while being the best regular season team
Come on bro, Jordan the goat but dont take away from that 3-1 come back. Him doing that is what put lebron in the goat convo
@@christianr1941 nobody is taking away but if u talk about that u have to talk about his break down in 2011 and how he has a losing record n the finals (when it matters)
You typically don’t earn a legacy on the tail end of your career. His legacy was set after the first 10 - 12 years.
I disagree slightly because for all of Lebron's fault and how his fanboys ride his dick, his twilight years are some of the most graceful we've seen in the NBA so he does deserves prop for that.
@@Ramona122003 I agree. LeBron does deserve props. What he's doing at age 37 is phenomenal. LeBron is helping his case by playing at a high level (on a bad team) but I think Jay is right that you don't stake your claim as the GOAT between ages 37-40. That's done earlier.
@@jakestephens9992 Stop that bs narrative. Lebron is NOT playing great. He is scoring great but there's nothing phenomenal about it. Taking 22 shots a game of which 8 are 3s, 15th in the league - as a freakin center. He aint passing as much and is averaging 8 rebounds per game - as a freakin center. That is not high level. The Lakers small ball offense is designed to make it easier for him to score. Everything else (wins) they accomplish is by accident.
But Payton Manning can cement his legacy with a Super Bowl before retiring. What if Chris Paul wins a chip this year? Next argument please
@@Cheif_Espada Payton’s legacy was set long before his Super Bowl with Denver. That was just his cherry on top. If Chris Paul wins one this year and he is a visibly the reason it moves him up a peg, but he won’t be considered the best point guard ever. His legacy is basically set as well.
Jordan never asked for help. LeBron James always need help to win period. Nick ask ur self why LeBron James didn't win his first ring n Cleveland Y he joined with bosh n wade. Jordan won all his rings with the bulls period he never said i need help. LeBron James can't do it but 😢 for players to come n help him win
While Jordan never asked for help in the way Lebron has, Jordan did complain about how much his team didn't help. Which is why he played the Point Guard at one point to build up the confident of his team. There is actually a good video about this.
Jordan recruited denis rodman lol he never really asked for more help than lebron did but thats only because he had a incredible front office lebron didn’t.
@@cirlake8202 nope it was Bulls GM Jerry Krause that got Rodman in a trade with the Spurs.
@@jordansoviet23 jordan said he wanted rodman so the bulls gym traded for him
@@cirlake8202 lol made up story you cannot convince anyone here. I would rather trust the GM than your lame POV.
i love your content, keep it up!!❤️
I still don't understand why this is even a debate, MJ is just in a whole different plateau
Three peat twice, as the best player. No athlete in any other team sport has ever done that. Mj is clear no one is close.
Not hard to do playing against plumbers.
@@Safsaf10
Not hard to respond with a lame excuse saying the players back then were “plumbers”.
@@Safsaf10 🤦♂️ todays athletes have less fundamentals and it’s easier to score with less physicality. Jordan would kill todays athletes and he would have jacked up more 3 point shots in todays soft no big man era
@Roy S. Do you realize how talented players are nowadays compared to the past? You clearly don't understand the gap. Competition now is light years ahead of those days.
@@Safsaf10
There are aspects of the game and players today that are advanced for multiple reasons, and aspects that have declined from players past so it goes both ways. But to say players today are “light years ahead” of players 20-30 years ago shows that you’re someone that doesn’t understand the game of basketball and that you’re simple minded when it comes to this topic. Saying things like, “MJ played against plumbers” proves my point about how simple minded you are.
It was over the moment he left Cleveland the first team to go join wade and Bosh…Jordan built up his championship teams - he didn’t leave and go team up and create stacked teams…
Well said
This is what we need said on these shows. Analyst who argue Jordan just don't have these facts and stats to beat Nick Wrong at his own game.
They never want that to happen though, bc it’s about ratings and sucking viewers in. If someone was to provide all of the facts that MJ is better there wouldn’t be any topic to discuss later on.
Nick HAS to be getting paid from lebron/klutch sports. Nick is logical except when it comes to lebron vs Jordan. Jordan is clearly the better player, lebron dont even play defense smh. How did lebron skip the line and bypass Kareem, Magic, Bird, Kobe ect. And go straight to Jordan comparisons? It has to be for ratings
Former ESPN analysts have come forward and admitted that they were forced to push the LeBron vs. Jordan debate. When they JUST finished the Jordan vs. Kobe debate 🤦♂️🤣. They said they got soo tired of it...but lebrons company had some sort of pull w the network and forced them to do it.
HELLO
MJ has won 6 would have been 8 in a row if he didn't retire to play baseball. Hes the GOAT! There will never be another player like him in our life time. Case closed nothing to see here.
He might have a blemish on his finals record if he didn't step away. You mj stans are really funny yall bring up 6 and 0 like he has the most chip ever 11 and 1 is way better than 6 so bring something other rhan 6 and 0
@@rickpersaud7016 but the difference is in your argument there's no evidence to support that 😂🤡
@@TheNiners6949 Bill Russell have 11 chips 8 in a row that is facts not the 6 and 0 you mj delusional comes up with 11 is way more than 6.
*MATH QUESTION*
MJ career ppg is 30.1 and his career spg is 2.3. If his career total pts is 32,292 and his career total steal is 2,514. He retired twice in his prime, and missed almost 4-5 seasons. What would be his career total pts and assists if he didn't retired twice? What would be his ranking in career total PTS and STL?
*Clue :* He missed 361 games (147 games in 1994-1995; and 214 games in 1999-2001)
Ive watched the NBA since i was 5. Im 47 now never did i see Jordan give up and disappear in the finals, thats what ive seen in Ladrunk countless times.
I appreciate the amount of time and effort u put in your vids mad props bro ! #JordanStilltheGoat
Check me mj played 13 season and did more and james has played 19 season so i dont think there is a debate
U R right there isn't any debate the only thing MJ will have more of is chips... But he doesn't have the most chips... That would be B Russell with 11 R Horry 7
Listening to Nick always makes me lose brain cells. I am certain that he's just a paid internet troll because I refused to believe that he actually believes what he's saying.
It’s because he’s an Aggie. Here in Texas everyone not an Aggie approves they are on a different planet.
I feel like all these pundits on ESPN on FSN don't really believe most of what they're saying. They're just trying to fill hours on 24 hour sports networks and providing cat nip for the cheap seats.
I believe him because I watch games and can compare eras properly. You guys can’t.
@@Cheif_Espada how old are you?
@@Cheif_Espada I hated Micheal Jordan, Lebron doesn’t bother me.
LeBron needs 2 more championships, 2 more fmvps, a season mvp and a dfpoy to even make LeBron vs Jordan a legitimate argument
Marlow- and not switch to all those teams stacking the deck with all those prime all stars.
Even then his argument will hold no weight. The superteam creations are still there, the shortcomings are still there, the bad clutch fg% in the finals are still there, him having to do all of that in 20+ years while MJ did that in less time etc
On to the next player to compare to MJ, the door was half way closed for LBJ after 2007 then completely shut in 2010 with his superteam creation followed by the biggest choke job ever.
Still not. He’s lost 6 finals, ring chased and joined other teams best player 3 different times, and he took way more years, finals appearances, and the nba changed the defensive rules, to help him score easier.
MJ never lost to lower seeds playoff teams. Lebron lost to lower seeds in 2011 nba finals, 2010 Conf semifinals, 2009 Conference finals. Lebron needs to surpass the standards jordan set, to surpass Jordan, without any biases attached, and he can’t do that unless he has a time machine, and gets to start all over with a clean slate.
And it still isn’t close because he still LOST in the finals Jordan never did
1. The discussion was over in 2011
2. LBJ saw two people at his position WIN MVP in the finals.
3. 30 points at 37 years old is great IF YOU IGNORE that he gives up about 15 points on defense due to lack of effort and I'll timed 3s that lead to fast break points for the other team.
4. Nick is comparing LBJ in a spread the court, no big to clog the lane offense, with no handshaking to MJ in his era. It's LAUGHABLE!
Nick is silly and has recency bias. I ignore his nonsense for the most part. LBJ couldn't even get more eyes on his bubble championship than MJ had on his Last Dance documentary....
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Uncut Hoops: thank you for defending true greatness. Michael is the most incredible player that ever played a sport.
There's Nothing Great About A Man Who Has Only Won 4 Championships In 20 seasons!!
Alfonso Melgoza- stacking the deck. Basically 4 different teams if we are going by transactions alone.
??? Are u good some people dont even win one 4 is absolutely incredible.
1 every 5 years, Vince carter played 20 or more and didn’t win 1. Credit where due.
Great work fam! Chris Broussard is stealing your content😂😂😂. And he still doesn't do a good job! Smh. We need more channels like this. Talk FACTZ. Not this media driven bullshit.
"Got no help" Irving outscored curry in both finals they faced and held him to 30% shooting in the 7th game of the 2016 finals, plus ...hit the bomb in his face.
Got no help as in MJ never had a .500 record without Pippen. Next question please
@@Cheif_Espada 1998 pippen didn't play for half of the year and the bulls still made it to the finals and won the with pippen playing hurt and scored just 8 points in the final game. 2011 withe big 3, all that help and got beat by JJ barrea, left the ghost with just 8 points, the dude is 5:8". All that help and got neat by the old spurs in 2014 and iguadola in 2015, all that help in his prime years
@@Cheif_Espada lol jordan won his 1st playoff series when pippen was averaging 7 ppg while jordan was averaging 45 in 1988
@@alfonsoterrero8840 kurkoc was the only guy who was averaging double digits. Rodman wasn't the same and pippen had injuries also was horrible in the finals, jordan carried that team. Yet u have bronsexuals claiming pippen carried him but Don't talk about 1997 and other years where pippen had bad games and jordan took over also won the bulls a game
@@tj5180 pippen shot under 40% or less in 4 nba finals and got burned by Barkley, Kemp and by Malone twice in those finals.
1 mvp 2 finals mvp 2 ring 1 dpoy 8 scoring titles is a hall of fame player resume difference between Bron and MJ
LBJ isn't even in the top 5,
He hasn't past Bird, Magic, Russell, or Hakeem
Enough already kiddies. LeBron will never pass Jordan. Stay in your lanes amateurs.
Bron only lead playoffs in per game points 3X. If he’s talking totals, that’s longevity, played more games, same as more all nba teams shit.
It aint even longevity. Lebron has 8 7 game series while Jordan only has 3.
Struggling through the playoffs will obviously generate more totals than simply destroying your opponents.
Jordan playing best of 5 first round series also reduces his totals.
Why do LeBron fans Hate Jordan so much 🤷🏾♀️😂😂😂
Most Lebron fans i have ever talked to are not really smart.
@@MrRyanwonderland I believe U 😂
@@MrRyanwonderland LeBron fans hate Kobe and Kareem as well so I don't understand them
They don't. It's retaliation after over a decade of psychopath Jordan stans like the kid who made this video trying to discredit everything he's done out of insecurity.
Great ponits young fella,you nailed it with the Karl Malone and Stockton comparisons.
Jordan as a rookie averaged 28-6-6 on 51% FG and led his team to the playoffs….
That’s better than most peoples MVP seasons and he did that as a rookie !
LeBron fans are the Messi fans of NBA
The only thing Nick accomplishes by bringing up Kareem is pointing out the fact that LeBron ain't even better than Kareem and I add in something else. He ain't better than magic Johnson neither and he might not be better than Larry Bird. Depending on whether or not you count the black lives matter bubble championship.
Add Wilt, Hakeem, Duncan...
Nick Wrong should ask out Lebron already and stop being shy..he’s delusional.
Stockton vs Magic is a perfect analogy! Malone to Jordan as well. Props!
How does Nick leave out THAT KYRIE AVERAGE 40PTS THE LAST 3 GAMES OF THAT SERIES AND HIT THE GAME WINNING SHOT TO SEAL THE DEAL FOR THAT COMEBACK FOR THAT CHAMPIONSHIP 🏆
Look at his face I don't take nothing serious from that clown 🤡🤦🏾♂️🤣
Nick and Shannon are just embarrassing. They say the most absurd things to help lebron. Like Shannon says lebron make his teammates better. But now that it's clear as day that lebron never made his teammates better. He just traded them and ran to se of the best players in the league. Shannon now says, I'm just watching to see how many points lebron scores. Or the lakers are losing, but lebron is winning. Str8 up hypocrite.
If it was crowning Lebron the Goat after three rings is Nicks argument.
Why isn't Steph Curry the Goat. He got his three beating Lebron.
Why isn't Kobe Bryant the Goat. He Three peated and did a repeat.
Well Jordan three peated. Took a year off. three peated (AGAIN)
Lebron repeated once. Beat the Warriors 1/4 times. And got a BIG* Astericks Bubble Championship. He's lost more than he's won. He's had more help. He's taken a longer time to do it. So congrats Lebron, you're a slightly more successful Karl Malone. That's still an accomplishment but you're no GOAT, You're a ScapeGOAT. Runs, Quits or Blames when the Competition is its toughest.
I watched MJ play from about 1988 (I was about 8 years old) through his retirement and I’ve watched Bron’s entire career. MJ is better and it’s not even close.
Michael Jordan is better than anyone else when they are at their BEST..
I'm a real Knicks fan. When he retired my team dealt with Hakeem. We lost. Like I say, Jordan never seen a game seven. This shit needs to stop
I lived the facts. Not wikipedia. Jordan was a killah
MJ separated himself from any comparisons - past or present(in his playing years) and proved he was on another level. Meanwhile this "kid from akron" is still riding MJ's coattails for 19 years trying to be relevant 😆
I dont have Twitter. Someone please send this to the "arbiter of truth." Beta AF
lol the worst part is...every casual with no basketball knowledge is on TikTok repeating Nick Wright verbatim smh
Jordan’s argument for being the goat. Perfect combination of individual stats, accolades and team success
1) 6 chips 6-0
2) 6 FMvPs nba record
3) 5 regular season MVPs only Kareem has more and won an mvp without making the playoffs
4) 10 scoring titles nba record
5) 3 steals titles
6) DPoY (only Hakeem, Giannis have won both mvp and DPoY in the same season)
7) 72-10…. Best wins record for a team that won the chip same year
8) highest scoring average both regular season and post season
9) 9 time all first defensive team tied with Kobe and KG for most first team all defensive selections
10) highest PER all time
& Kareem is a 6 time champion, but respectfully, Kareem was only best player on 3 of them with 2 mvps(because he was injured). & that Lakers roster was loaded through the whole 80s.
Don’t forget that he also played with the big O Oscar Robertson, Bob dandrige, Adrian dantley, norm Nixon, Lou Hudson, Michael cooper, magic Johnson, James worthy. That’s 5 hall of famers in there, Kareem was always surrounded by talent.
It SHOULD be 4 MVPs...In the 1980 Finals Magic had a GREAT series : 21.5 ppg/11.2 rpg/8.7 apg/ 2.7 apg
Kareem averaged : 33.4 ppg/13.6 rpg/3.2 apg/4.6 bpg. It's close but I would've given the MVP to Kareem
@@twilitezn I agree but Kareem got hurt & didn’t play game & Magic played center, & scored 40 that game. & that would’ve made 3 had he won not 4. He only has 2 fmvps.
Whoops, my bad....meant 3...
MJ brought 10's of millions of new American fans to the NBA during his career. LeBron's idiotic statements about politics, race baiting tactics, and his obsession with his own status has caused the NBA to LOSE 10's of millions of American. That alone not only doesn't put LeBron in the conversation for greatest player, it drops him out of the All-Time top 5 in my eyes.
The fact that Nick Wright and Skip Bayless don’t have at least one segment together annually is one of the greatest tragedies in sports. It’s the sports media equivalent of clash of the titans.
TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!! the 2 biggest d bags vs each other ahh man we all would have to pic a side lolol
The longer LBJ delays his retirement from basketball the bigger the gap gets between MJ and him as the Greatest Of All Times. MJ is simply superior and the accolades speak for itself. The longer LBJ plays, yes he will break records, it would be just another asterisk in his resume if he wouldn’t but thats the point. LBJ has too many asterisks in his GOAT resume, jumping from team to team pursuing rings, stacking teams that would carry him to the finals to get what he wants. MJ simply did it better, in less time and with more accolades to show. Its simple.
The Kareem argument doesn't work. Kareem has two real rings and 4 asterisk rings cuz he wasn't the best or second best on 3-4 of them
😁😁😁😁, the desperation in LeBron fans is astounding.
Jordan built the modern day NBA and shoe contracts, Nike etc... game over.
Given Lebron scores most of his points close to the hoop, the nearly identical FG% leans heavily in MJ's favor. Shooting guards with a FG% similar to paint scorers like Lebron are far more valuable as it is much easier to find a replacement player who can make 50%+ near the hoop. MJ took high difficulty shots, often fading away, drifting right or left off a drive, 15-18 feet, etc. as you know if you were watching the NBA in the 80s and 90s, and as you can see from his highlight reels.
That 15-16 warriors team is so over fucking blown it's stupid. They played exceptional team ball that was their biggest talent outside of Steph's shooting. If LeBron was that dude he wouldn't have lost to them in 15 giving them the bullshit preview people had of them to begin with
Great breakdown