Follow up to my Move Shoot Move phone mount video. How to get the best results with MSM phone mount!

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  • Опубликовано: 20 ноя 2024

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  • @markalt125
    @markalt125 3 года назад +7

    Those cross hairs are probably a game changer. Thanks for showing how to get to it! Thanks to Santiago too!

  • @santiagodemiguel5107
    @santiagodemiguel5107 3 года назад +14

    I'm glad my comment proved useful! Great video, a must-watch for anyone who wants to try phone alignment.

    • @chasingluminance
      @chasingluminance  3 года назад +1

      You're the man!

    • @santiagodemiguel5107
      @santiagodemiguel5107 3 года назад +1

      Actually, I found this in a comment in the MSM Users group. People share great tips over there, so we should thank them!

    • @etang9b
      @etang9b 3 года назад

      Many thanks for the great tip! But on my iPhone the polar alignment under Spot Stars/AR hasn't been stable. I mean, after I fixed the north pole on the crosshair, it constantly moves, sometimes it moves for one cm all of a sudden. Does this happen to anyone else too or is it just me? Night AR seems more stable, or it's just not as noticeable without the crosshair?

    • @sheltiemad
      @sheltiemad 2 года назад +1

      Thank you for sharing that tip with Chasing Luminance. Learning about that crosshair in Photopills has made my alignment so much more accurate. Since we are not permitted the lasers and Sigma Octantis likes to hide, I rely heavily on aligning by phone.

    • @santiagodemiguel5107
      @santiagodemiguel5107 2 года назад

      @@sheltiemad I'm very glad to hear that 😁

  • @prabhakarrao4922
    @prabhakarrao4922 3 года назад +5

    Really appreciate your humility. Very few RUclips would go to this extent to correct themselves and acknowledge critiques. Thank you. You’ve just gained a new subscriber.

  • @johnoldridge7735
    @johnoldridge7735 3 года назад +3

    Thanks heaps. I ordered a Move Shoot Move from Amazon after watching your videos. I’m in the Southern Hemisphere, and I’ve been trying to locate south.... with difficultly. From this video I’m going to order a phone mount and try again. Hard at night when my eyes aren’t young anymore. Thanks again

    • @chasingluminance
      @chasingluminance  3 года назад

      Yeah, that phone mount must make things way easier in the south... I've yet to be fortunate enough to photograph in that part of the world.

  • @gibsonetal1
    @gibsonetal1 2 года назад +3

    I know this is an "older" video but it's great. Something you may want to add in the future. When you do the "Spot Stars" and then choose "AR," there is then a choice at the bottom of the app for that looks like a bow-tie. If you select that you get to choose focal length. That appears to be fixed choices of 28mm and 57mm (at least it is on my iPhone). However, the former lets you find the north point (or south point) and the latter lets you zoom in for better alignment. Thanks for the video!!

  • @JemCruz
    @JemCruz 3 года назад +6

    The crosshair is a game changer. Also since I'm in the southern hemisphere with a bortle 7 sky, i've been using the phone mount to align everytime. I also leave the phone throughout the shoot, constantly adjusting. You will need a battery pack to keep the phone (and the rotator) charged.

  • @sheltiemad
    @sheltiemad 2 года назад +1

    Thanks Alex, those tips have saved the MSM and polar alignment via phone from being put in the too hard/ highly ineffectual basket. Appreciate you sharing with us all.

  • @contefrederic
    @contefrederic 2 года назад +2

    The iPhone 12 and up have the leveller in the Measure App (used to be with the Compass app) that may be helpful to some when mounting the iPhone in the cradle. Not sure if this is helpful as my Australian kit was ordered last night and has not arrived. Stoked to try this out in the Southern Hemisphere. Thank you for the brilliant videos. Very helpful.

  • @echoauxgen
    @echoauxgen 2 года назад +1

    I have watched both of your phone mount videos and think your coverage is great. I did not know about this except it was used by cell phones to do Milky Way's. I do milky way photography in NE Florida Jacksonville that has a lot of sky glow so stars are not that visible with the scope to well and there are two airfields here and in southeast Georgia at Jekyll Island and with air traffic over the atlantic ocean going from south florida to Atlanta (yes the multiple vapor trails show them). Now taking off the protective cover I have never thought about, like finding the comets location!

  • @FocusDisorder
    @FocusDisorder Год назад +1

    I know I'm late to this party but the crosshair!!! OMFG the crosshair! Thank you!
    Also, I think the word you're looking for is "coplanar."

  • @dinwa276
    @dinwa276 2 года назад

    This was great. I am looking forward to trying this out. Thanks for the update.

  • @andrewianscott1764
    @andrewianscott1764 3 года назад +1

    I have the same problem with the R5/5D! So used to talking in Ds not Rs!

  • @royhornyak8596
    @royhornyak8596 3 года назад

    As a disabled MSM user, I have a frozen neck and trying to find Polaris at about 51 deg is next to impossible. This video has I think opened up my options again, and hopefully I will now be able to align my kit correctly. Many, many thanks

    • @chasingluminance
      @chasingluminance  3 года назад +1

      I'm so glad this helped! And thank you for the comment! 😊

  • @short6691
    @short6691 3 года назад +1

    Awesome video! Never occurred to me to use the cell phone to align! So cool! Well explained!

  • @GreenBeret10th
    @GreenBeret10th 3 года назад +1

    Thanks for addressing the question from my comment. Great job!

  • @whoofoto
    @whoofoto 3 года назад +1

    Thanks! That information shared by users is so helpful. I'll use it the next time I'm out of the city. I liked the test results with the revised setup from your backyard.

    • @chasingluminance
      @chasingluminance  3 года назад

      Thanks for watching.. I was super happy with how well it worked

  • @jlafoon
    @jlafoon 3 года назад +1

    OMG! Thanks for the PhotoPills instruction, I was doing the same, just using Night AR! AND, my case with magnet charger mounts in it was throwing off Stellarium when I tried to use that! Two-fer! Awesome follow-up!

    • @chasingluminance
      @chasingluminance  3 года назад +1

      Glad I could help! I was so excited when Santiago showed me that trick

  • @AlbeeSoaring
    @AlbeeSoaring 2 года назад

    So glad you made both of these videos. I was just thinking about how to do a proper alignment without seeing Polaris cause I have a spot I want to go that would block Polaris with a mountain.

  • @bernym4047
    @bernym4047 3 года назад +1

    Another way is to put the MSM on a level surface checked by a builders' spirit level, then check if the phone is level on two axes 90 degrees apart also with the spirit level.

  • @thekushinator
    @thekushinator 2 года назад +1

    You come across as a very easy going person mate. Loved watching the vids. Subbed too.

  • @rodmackay9336
    @rodmackay9336 3 года назад +1

    Awesome video. I'm wondering if you could somehow connect the phone mount to an L Bracket on your camera and use Sky Guide or similar app to have a simplistic version of a go to mount?

  • @seanmuller5145
    @seanmuller5145 3 года назад +1

    Thank you for this video. That makes life so much easier.

  • @SamFrysteen
    @SamFrysteen 2 года назад

    To check phone alignment, wouldn’t it be easier to set up the MSM bubble level to be level, put phone in the mount, open bubble level app, then make sure that is level? Adjust phone/mount till it is level. Can do that quick and easy on site when setting up also.

  • @AykutArgun
    @AykutArgun 3 года назад +1

    Hey Alex, great video!
    One extra idea about the ball head of the phone mount is that you can place a small bubble level on that, and level both the MSM and the phone mount.

  • @helencogan2187
    @helencogan2187 3 года назад +1

    WOW!!!!!!!!! What great great tips...I have to try this.. awesome video..keep up the great work!!! THANK YOU!

  • @ssbhide123
    @ssbhide123 3 года назад

    I think with this method if you live above 45°N-50°N , you can actually use South pole to align instead of crouching awkwardly behind the rotator to align with Polaris.

  • @GrantPhillipsmastamak
    @GrantPhillipsmastamak 3 года назад +1

    Thanks Alex. Your videos are excellent. I am in Australia and tried the MSM for the first time last night with the phone mount, as you have suggested. No moon, so I was unable to calibrate it so I just used the Photopils night AR and hoped for the best. After some trial and error I managed to get absolutely tack sharp stars at f4 30" and ISO 640, viewed at 200% and next to no noise. I have an R5, also, and found the manual focusing a bit fiddly. It would be nice if you could somehow lock the focus as it is easy to lose focus when you accidentally touch the focusing ring when fiddling with the alignment. Also, I am in the tropics (Lat 17 degrees south) and the geometry of the MSM ball head does not allow me to elevate the camera higher than 17 degrees when looking south so I guess it is a matter of looking for some other more flexible mounting arrangement if I want to capture the southern cross, for example.

    • @chasingluminance
      @chasingluminance  3 года назад +1

      Technically... the rep for photopills says that calibrating during the day with the sun... then waiting until night doesn't really cut it.
      But in my experience, using the sun worked well.
      If you're having issues with the angle, the V mount might be really helpful for you

    • @GrantPhillipsmastamak
      @GrantPhillipsmastamak 3 года назад +1

      @@chasingluminance Thanks Alex. I tried calibrating Phototpils by the sun, during the day then immediately using it to set up my MSM, etc. Later that evening clamped my R5 to the rig and tried it out. Worked OK for exposures up to 40". I have also figured out a different way to align the MSM with my accurate surveyor's compass and inclinometer. Quite a noticeable difference to the uncalibrated Photopils south pole, so the next step will be to compare my compass calibration with a calibrated Photopils version. Just waiting for a sunny day which seems to be very rare at present.

  • @carlameeske
    @carlameeske 2 года назад

    To me the variable is the ball head. It is CRAZY TALK to have something totally random for holding the phone. I will build a bracket that sits SQUARE on the MSM that I can set my phone into. The same way that you can set the phone onto the top of the Sky Watcher Adventure and then use the alignment apps.

  • @finfondler998
    @finfondler998 2 года назад

    You can also use the spirit level app on your phone to test how level it is, if it’s on a horizontal surface that is.

  • @jameslaskin7668
    @jameslaskin7668 2 года назад

    Okay Alex, fab videos as always. I will be in Kenya (Masia Mara) at about 2 deg S and I was asking on the MSM FB group about best ways to align my system. One of your colleagues suggested the cell phone method and your videos have given me confidence that I can manage - so another order to MSM. Sooooooo. I live in Vancouver and so about the 49th is my usual stomping grounds. Now that I will have the cell phone mount, the laser and the polar scope - which one should I use (what do use) on a regular basis? Based on this video and your results should I just switch to my cell phone? Thoughts please.

    • @chasingluminance
      @chasingluminance  2 года назад

      I do feel like a properly aligned laser is a good option.
      They only down side is the battery dies in the cold and you have to currently buy a separate battery charger...
      So the scope is a nice option too

  • @cevoner
    @cevoner Год назад

    Hi, Excellent information. Not working for me yet as I have different equipment. I know you are a proponent of Move Shoot Move and I have a lot of their stuff except the tracker. I have their phone mount, equatorial base, Z-mount etc. but I use the Mini-Track LX4 since it's payload is 8 lbs. I mount the camera mount to the side just as their polar scope is but I cannot do more than 10 seconds with Photo Pills. The cross hair goes to the center spot not around the spot right? You seem an expert on Polar aligning and is the center the North pole or is it Polaris? Polaris has an orbit right? I also use the smaller IPhone 8. Is there another app I can check against Photo Pills. I have to measure more too to see if in fact tracker & camera are at zero degrees to each other. Thanks for the information.

  • @pedzsan
    @pedzsan 2 года назад

    Perhaps list the three tips in the top "Readme" or whatever that area is called.

  • @rml3wood
    @rml3wood 3 года назад

    You’re a really good teacher, Alex. Thanks for what you do❤️👹!

  • @jimcollins1922
    @jimcollins1922 3 года назад +1

    Good video. Just a comment on squaring up the phone in the mount. On the iPhone and I assume on Android phones there are level functions that can be use to level the phone. I just put my iPhone in the phone holder with the base of the holder on a flat surface and use a bubble level app to alight the phone and once leveling of the phone has been verified tighten up the screw on the ball head to keep the holder's clamp aligned. Then mount the the holder on the MSM.
    I need to do a little more research on how alignment actually works in PhotoPills. In your video you said you did an alignment with the sun. I did a quick test at alignment during the day, but the sun was quite a bit east and south in the sky. I not quite sure how that actually works.

    • @chasingluminance
      @chasingluminance  3 года назад

      That's a good idea to use the phones level. If you watch my 1st phone mount video I share more about the calibration process

  • @mauriceaustin3657
    @mauriceaustin3657 3 года назад +1

    awesome tips. Thanks.

  • @neild108
    @neild108 Год назад

    Thanks for the info on how you managed to pull out good star color around Orion with the R5, without much work in post processing. Is this a stock Canon R5, or an astro-modified one? I'm assuming it's the former, but just checking. I didn't realize you could get this kind of color with the usual camera filters in place, which are said to block something like 80% of the magenta colored hydrogen alpha from the stars. PS I just bought an R5!

  • @johnmcnairn6822
    @johnmcnairn6822 3 года назад +1

    Good follow up..thanks :)

  • @Aisse
    @Aisse 3 года назад

    So sad my iPhone SE (2016) is so bad for this kind of alignment. Every time I calibrate with the moon and place in the bracket it shows a different alignment. Another thing that is disturbing me: Why the smartphone bracket when attached to the rotator don’t stay vertically or horizontally placed? Mine stays in 45º angle. And how important is the precision of the tripod leveling? I’m asking that because after using my spirit level and place the wedge, rotator, smartphone and camera… my tripod isn’t right leveled anymore..

  • @stevechong65
    @stevechong65 Год назад

    Thanks Alex! Great info there! However, I have a question, when I go to Photopills and load up Spot Stars->Air, I can't find where is Polaris, there is a big dot indicating NCP/SCP, how do I point to Polaris then? Did I miss something?
    Thanks again Alex for taking the trouble and making other people's life easier!
    - s

    • @chasingluminance
      @chasingluminance  Год назад +1

      You should see a circular grid displayed, North and South poles will be at the center of those circles

    • @stevechong65
      @stevechong65 Год назад

      @@chasingluminance Thanks Alex! What I meant was I didn't see Polaris in the circle, only NCP or SCP

    • @chasingluminance
      @chasingluminance  Год назад +1

      OK, you don't need to worry about Polaris with the phone mount. Just go with the poles

    • @stevechong65
      @stevechong65 Год назад

      @@chasingluminance Thank you Alex! Will try out later, it has been very cloudy for a past few months.

  • @edwarddebruyn8717
    @edwarddebruyn8717 3 года назад

    Hi, thank you for sharing this. I've got mine and will try it out. But a few questions:
    1. Do we have to use the geographic or magnetic setting on the iPhone (maybe I missed it)
    Think leaving it on the magnetic is okey
    2. When you talk about magnetic interference, what about structures or other metallic stuff nearby.
    3. Magnetic interference: What about the balhead, tripod and of course mounting your body+lens. Maybe that's why the alignement wasn't correct anymore after mounting the camera like you mentioned. Did you check it with the laser or the scope ?
    Thank you

    • @chasingluminance
      @chasingluminance  3 года назад

      I'm not sure about geographic or magnetic... I just went with whatever automatically happened.
      I shot right outside of my house and there are large power lines near by. it didn't seem to effect the results
      again with the tripod interference... it's really had to say. I just know I got good results

  • @mikehardy8247
    @mikehardy8247 3 года назад

    If I could hit the like button twice, I would! I just discovered your channel this past week, searching for info on M-S-M guider. I apreciate your calm down to earth demeanor. Same vibe as Trevor of ASTROBACKYARD. I'm going to buy the phone bracket, as I've been not able to see Polaris too often.

  • @thegodfather4713
    @thegodfather4713 3 года назад

    Hello my friend. I live in the northern hemisphere. Can people living in the northern hemisphere do the pole star alignment with this technique?
    Also, does this technique work as well as laser and binoculars?

  • @APinpin88
    @APinpin88 Год назад

    Can I ask please? I just wonder after align in the right spot already can I take the phone off the mount or I have to left the phone on the mount all a time while I am shooting? Thank you in advance

  • @sbrkich157
    @sbrkich157 3 года назад

    Thanks. Didn't even know that was there. In the video is that the wedge?

    • @chasingluminance
      @chasingluminance  3 года назад

      Yes, it is

    • @sbrkich157
      @sbrkich157 3 года назад

      @@chasingluminance Thanks. Been using a Gimbal Head. Would you recommend changing over to the wedge?

    • @chasingluminance
      @chasingluminance  3 года назад

      I like the wedge. My favorite is the 3 way geared head from benro

  •  3 года назад

    Thanks, learned something new today. P.s The word is parallel.

  • @kitaigorodalexandru2462
    @kitaigorodalexandru2462 2 года назад

    noob question, is it possible to use this phone mount to take pictures with a smartphone? (I don't have a DSLR)

  • @nickroper1917
    @nickroper1917 3 года назад

    Hi, great videos, thanks! I'm about to order some items from MSM - where do I find your affiliate links so that you get a commission?

    • @chasingluminance
      @chasingluminance  3 года назад

      Awesome, thank you! If you look in the description below my video... also, use ALEX at check out for a small discount

    • @nickroper1917
      @nickroper1917 3 года назад

      @@chasingluminance bought the wedge, phone mount & intervalometer for Fuji - done & done - thanks!

  • @rmf11699
    @rmf11699 2 года назад

    At 2:33 you mention the + being aimed at the pole. So if I put the + on the center dot within the circle, am I aligning to the North Celestrial Pole or to Polaris (since I'm in the northern hemisphere)?

    • @chasingluminance
      @chasingluminance  2 года назад

      Ideally it's to the pole because Polaris is a little off

    • @rmf11699
      @rmf11699 2 года назад

      @@chasingluminance Thank you but want clarification please. When you say "pole" you are referring to the NCP and not Polaris? Is that dot in the middle of the circle NCP or Polaris?

  • @garyantesr
    @garyantesr 3 года назад

    Which stacking program do you use? I have a MacBook Pro which program would you recommend, and thanks for those tips

    • @chasingluminance
      @chasingluminance  3 года назад

      I use photoshop median stack method. Starry sky or starry landscape stacker are both good options.

  • @margepearson4722
    @margepearson4722 3 года назад

    How do you guys calibrate your I-phone at night when the sun is not visible in the sky?

  • @mattanous
    @mattanous 3 года назад

    wow u r so good

  • @David_Glazebrook
    @David_Glazebrook 3 года назад

    Hi Alex, a question about the tip using Photopills Spot Stars AR (2m15s), I wondering if you've notice that there is both a 13mm and 26mm options (bottom centre) and they both give different alignments. Thoughts?

    • @chasingluminance
      @chasingluminance  3 года назад

      From what I see, they are diving you the same alignment, it just looks a lot different cuz 1 is punched in more?
      I've been using the wide view, but now I'm untested to test tight

    • @David_Glazebrook
      @David_Glazebrook 3 года назад +1

      @@chasingluminance the way I arrived at different results was aligning using the 13mm and then switching over to the 26mm to find it was lower, Are you thinking that the 26mm is just zoomed in and perhaps more accurate? On other thing was when using this method with the phone bracket on the MSM and a geared head is that when you make the adjustment the app's reaction is delayed and seems to float in, maybe past the point before maybe coming back. Does this mimic your experience?

    • @chasingluminance
      @chasingluminance  3 года назад

      It makes sense that the 26 would be more accurate, but I'm not sure.
      And yes, you have to move slowly making adjustments

    • @David_Glazebrook
      @David_Glazebrook 3 года назад +1

      @@chasingluminance have you had a chance to test 26? If so, do you still think it's just punched in? FYI I contacted Photopills and suggested on AR that they change the colour of the poles to red so when you got the crosshairs aligning with the poles the contrast will be much better and hopefully make it easier for alignment. Rafael replied saying he'd forward it on the designers for their consideration.

    • @chasingluminance
      @chasingluminance  3 года назад

      @@David_Glazebrook I haven't test that out yet, still need to. and good to know about the color

  • @bruceleonard3096
    @bruceleonard3096 2 года назад

    What are you using to attach the iPhone mount to the MSM?

    • @chasingluminance
      @chasingluminance  2 года назад +1

      A little thumb screw. I show it on better detail on my 1st video

  • @MC50000
    @MC50000 2 года назад

    So do you not need to calibrate PhotoPills with this method??

  • @francescoaltieri64
    @francescoaltieri64 3 года назад

    I have problem with photopills, polar position is not correct!!! Any tricks? Thanks!

    • @francescoaltieri64
      @francescoaltieri64 3 года назад

      I have Xiomi redmi 8 Pro , emui 12

    • @chasingluminance
      @chasingluminance  3 года назад

      Not sure... I do know photopills will respond to emails. Maybe you could reach out with your specific problem.

  • @morgankarno7335
    @morgankarno7335 3 года назад

    Does this work with a smaller iPhone 8?

  • @pedzsan
    @pedzsan 2 года назад

    OH!!!!! I just bought almost $500 from MSM and I forgot your discount code. GRRRR!!!!