Isiah Thomas laughs at Stephen A. for getting called out by Magic Johnson | First Take
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- Опубликовано: 14 фев 2019
- Detroit Pistons legend Isiah Thomas joins the First Take crew and shares a laugh at the expense of Stephen A. Smith, who left Magic Johnson off his Stephen’s A-List of his all-time NBA All-Star team. Thomas says Stephen A. is used to the friendly, nice Magic - but last night he met Earvin. Thomas details Magic’s intelligence and skills on the floor, and says LeBron James is the closest to being a contemporary Magic Johnson.
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That “you met Earvin line” was straight certified G!
That is actually a stolen joke that Lerry Bird made back in 1992
@@user-lf7nf3kl7t calling someone their real name instead of their nickname is a stolen joke?
@@Pumaboy2000 It's word for word what Larry used during his retirement ceremony. Just saying all these comments about how clever, and cold blooded Zeke is, but it wasn't his idea is all. If you saw the video you would see what I mean.
The thing with jordan he had crappy coaches and always played well...it was pippen becoming better...cause grant was already good out the gate better than pippen but everyone thinks pippen his first few years was the 90s pippen..oh no...he was a 12 point 3 assists 4 rebound man that turn into a 22 6 rebound 5 assists man...yes jordan averaged more assists than pippen but I wont go there
Irving!!!
2:15 the joke was over Molly 🤦🏿♂️
Classic Molly
LOL fact.
BigmoneyBrickwall why dafuq your emoji so black...???? Can’t even see dudes hand on his forehead😂😂😂
BigmoneyBrickwall she looked soo stupid
BigmoneyBrickwall you hit the nail on the head.i really wish they would get her lame ass out of here.It was hilarious how everyone straight up ignored her smh.
IT was a bad man back in the day!
Damn right son
SDBROOKS08 why don’t he give Jordan a hug
@@joeloe6448 pistons was jordan's wall back then. They were really physical, didnt back down, put mj on the floor alot of times. I guess those rivalry was in their heads up until today.
SDBROOKS08 so u seen it play..I haven't but I respect him just off word of mouth...highlight.. moments..like scoring 40 something points on a busted ankle..but skill wise and as a pg and as a player...is he better than CP3...cuz even though cp3 never won a championship..just off eye test i think he is the greatest pg ever...I know there is Magic Johnson and I put him number 1 even though I never seen him play but some players legends speak for they self but cp3 can do every thing a damn good shooter..a pass first pg that can get his whenever he wants..play hell of a defense..he is like a miniature version of LeBron James without the strength to bulldoze his way to the basket
Did u actually watch him play thou or are u going off on highlights and what you've heard?
2:15 Molly felt out of place looking around to see if anyone laugh
Southern House Like can she just stfu, like please
#stfuMolly
She’s always out of place😂😂😂💯
She didn't get the joke
I’m sure her husband Jalen is laughing
Never bet against Magic in his prime. A genius with an unmatched basketball IQ. Magic could see 5 plays beyond anyone else.
Jj W And everyone else saw Magic’s play before it happens. Dude was a turnover machine. Career 3.9 per game.
H R Magic was the main ball handler obviously he was gonna get some turnovers and not every turnover is his fault
Actually wrong... the play would have happened already before he even flicks it. 😂
How tf do you not have Magic on top 5 list...🤦♂️
Yes, you right, but Thomas was a lot better scorer than Magic. I love both.
ISAIAH THOMAS WAS SECRETLY LAUGHING AT STEVIE A’s HAIRLINE BEING WORSE THAN HIS HAHAHAHAHA
James Harden is an Embarrassment to the Game IDGAF about spelling his name correct. He garbage hahahahaha
James Harden is an Embarrassment to the Game thanks man
OGMillyMillz 🤣🤣🤣🤣
James Harden is an Embarrassment to the Game I swear this guys a weirdo and obsessed wit a guys hairline every video I see this dude commenting about it smdh.
IT got a normal hairline though. Dumbass comment.
“You met Earvin last night” lmaoooooo
The lack of great coaches behind LeBron is a great point
Everytime someone tries to coach him it’s his way or the high way
Coulda woulda shoulda. Look at the player's career not the what it's geez
Truly honest/legit interview with Zeke. I appreciate the authenticity of this interview/interaction.
It is amazing how Isiah Thomas has always something insightfull to offer.
Isiah is really one of the only people I listen to when it comes to basketball
He speaks with knowledge not with his heart
YES. I totally agree.
Then you are being manipulated by Isiah. Do your research on the guy.
@@beachbunny7256 na we can jus have our own opinion on him instead of the media making us try to hate him
@@heystara7318 thank you!
guy in the Orlando Jersey look like he could be Shaq's lil short brother LOL!!!!!!!!!!
I was gonna say draymon greens little brother.😆😆😆
Shaq n Draymond's kid.
He look like bruh man from Martin
Was it really that funny that you had to use capitals and exclamation marks...
Yo lol
Isiah Thomas is very bright.
Isiah Thomas,what a Man and great player he was.This is the man you can really listen what he talks, other than expert "Rose" 🌹" who yell Bugiiiiii, Bugiiiiii
One of my favorite point gods of all time showing love to giannis ... gotta love that at the end.
Sometimes Isiah be hatin but he makes a great point about Lebron not being coached by an all time great. He(Lebron) has carved his own path and has done it the way he wanted and not like Players that came before him.
U forgetting the guy who actually carved his path. Remember bird #larry legend
He did not when till he met the hall of fame manager Pat Riley.
apolo kabali that's cool, I didn't know that.
@@themooneytwins Casual, Pat Riley wasn't coaching Miami in 2010s, he stopped after coaching Dwyane Wade and Shaq.
Well Frank Vogel was pretty good according to me. But perhaps he wasn't the same coach back in 2011.
Isiah! I love his take on the game.
That's a really good point Thomas initiated. Lebron never had a hall of fame coach.
Phil Jackson wasn't a hall of fame head coach till Jordan made him 1
THE GREAT ONE what about college???
Lebron doesnt run plays so a real coach isnt fuckin wit him
What does it matter if he didn't
@SuperPunch76 facts
That was a great first take my Thomas. And love how he put the joker in there he’s a beast number wise/leader/ his team second in west
Isiah just dropped some knowledge but it probably went over some of ya heads 🤷🏾♂️
I don’t think there were any encoded messages that takes a genius to understand in this segment.
@@zachford2616 I agree, anybody with half the knowledge of basketball got where Isiah was going with that.
IT putting respect on Jokic!! Love it
That attempt at a joke by Molly with the you mean Erving line fell felt..... everyone ignored her 😂😂😂😂
Isaiah pulled the Phil jackson card, and you cannot argue with that. None of those guys won anything outside of Phil. Wow!
In-Vision he spit that real shit
@@d4ljosh859 My Man! He put shit in perspective forreal! Any attempts to dispute it will be based on pure emotion. Goat argument need never be discussed again
Damn thats crazy
In-Vision well Isiah didn’t win without Chuck Daly and Magic didnt win without Pat Riley soooooooooo 🤔🤔🤔
It's the Same vice versa too tho.
Who was Phil w/o MJ& Scottie - Kobe/Shaq or even Kobe&Gasol?
That's my only problem with what Isiah said. It's a partnership. Both the coaches and the greats build their resume together. Chuck daly definitely wouldn't be a HoF coach w/o the badboys(Isiah-Joe-Dennis-Agguire etc) or pat w/o Kareem&Magic etc etc
Hell, Red auebach had MvP candidite Bob cousy pre-russell and even he couldn't get over the hump. Case in point, it's a *partnership.*
But I agree with everything else. That's a positive check mark for Lebron james.
People don’t understand isiah Thomas was better than anyone today 😂
Austin Hawks facts lil dude
He was basically the 80/90s version of Kyrie without a 3pt shot, better passing, and with leadership skills which Kyrie lacks. He had crazy handles and was a great slasher
All day everyday and twice on Sunday!
I love how Max was shaking his head in disgust in the beginning 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@agrey832 hahaha. Right. he was thinkin.. "wtf, man". Lol
Thank you Isaiah!!! Been trying to say this forever!! Bron had no real coaching. Didn't even play college ball
"I didnt know magic could jump on me like that" - Stephen A Smith😂😂👀👀
I agree with IT
LeGM Is his own coach
Yeaa he came nk at 18 saying im the coach
Thanks IT for giving Jokic some love! 👍
Dope point about coaching...never thought about it in that way...
isiah thomas you are still a living legend my boy, you helped create a legendary monster.
I want the ball-handling of Magic Johnson/John Stockton, with the clutch genes of Michael Jordan/Kobe Bryant.
Kyrie irving
civil war lol Kyrie can’t be mentioned in the same air as those legends... takes more than just a few good seasons... all those guys had stellar CAREERS, not just seasons
Man that is so right on the money
Isiah Thomas >>> John Stockton by a landslide
Isiah Thomas along with Magic had the best ball handling in NBA history. Those two are on the top of that pyramid for sure.
Zeek was beastly!!! The best small point guard of all time.
Stockton wasn't that tall either, right?
He was like 6'1"??
@@sarangdesai9035 stockton didnt win a chip, and he was with malone
@@samuelkeay6560 Stockton didn't have no Bad Boys system with Joe Dumars (that then would become finals mvp btw) and back to back DPOY Dennis Rodman on top though, he and his only help Malone (the only help they ever had was phases of Mark Eaton first and then Hornacek second) had to face the actual 90's Bulls and the 90's NBA too, without the gift pass on physically knocking them out of the game of course.
Then, if you look at individual skills and stats, Stockton is above too.
@@dusk6159 fair point, the jazz roster had to be pretty strong to make it through the west playoffs tho. the west has always been a dogfight, and the 90s was no different
@@dusk6159 You have to realize one thing. It was Isiah had a lot to do with drafting Rodman at #27 in the second round. They took Sally first round. Helped influence the trade of Kent Benson & Kelly Tripuka for Andrian Dantley. So it was Isiah who helped form the team. Isiah could have been a much more proficient scorer but he sacrificed that to be a total team player. No body ever in the NBA could handle the ball like Isiah. Impossible to take the ball from him. MJ was asked who was the hardest person to ever guard & without hesitation said over & over Isiah was.
Excellent Segment!
☆☆☆☆☆
@6:31 LMAO look at the brother's face when Isiah Thomas said "The big guy from Denver"
The crowd was laughing at 2:30 because Isiah Thomas said: " You asked who do I like with their ball in the hand". Lmao.
Stephen As face this whole video 😂 lmao
All facts thanks IT !!!!
UNCLE ISAIAH THOMAS ALWAYS BRINGS THE TRUTH #HOFISAIAHTHOMAS
Isiah was lmfao that whole time I’m imagining Stephen a at that party speechless for a time 🤣
Absolutely *great* point from Isiah about LeBron's natural ability straight out of high school. Jordan, Magic, Bird went to college and had to learn the game. Kobe had skills coming in, but he needed the Zenmaster to turn the talent into rings. LeBron had *nobody* and was dominating from Day One.
Dominating. Yea ok. He couldn't win out the gate. That's Dominating the opponents. Magic won as a rookie. Bird won is 2nd year. Sit down talking about Dominating
@@davidfaxon3336 you sound straight goofy, magic had Kareem coming and bird had Robert parish and Kevin mchale. Lebron made it to the finals with Eric snow. Use context you 🤡🤡🤡.
@@davidfaxon3336did LeBron have prime Kareem on his team?
@@davidfaxon3336 he didn’t go t college like those guys either that’s the point magic, bird, & micheal went to college & bird was 24 years old in year 2😂Lebron was 19 micheal got cut from his high school team 😂Kareem could’ve came out of high school too but even he had great coach’s who taught him the game for Lebron who didn’t have a Bobby knight, Phil Jackson, pat riley,, red auerbach, any great coach & from a single mom household he was set up to fail that fact he is even close to those guys or surpassed them is Amazing💯💯💯💯
Am I the only one that saw Molly try and use the Irving joke? at 2:15
Great conversation
Greak Freak MVP for sure, thank you for giving the Joker some love!
Tf is showing love gonna do? Wheres the championships? Wheres the postseason success? Showing lov ed accomplishes nothing. Even if it's coming from IT
@@donniewarren8363 my mans hard carried to the WCF with dominant performances over the clips and jazz, hes 25, watch out
(Zeke stay geek) 😂😂😂 hes always laughing
It seems like IT is the only dude who can make an unbiased and logical take on anything with hating or fanboying
Good interview!
You met “Irving” last night hahaha
Earvin*
its Earvin
It was "Earvin".
Magic John is the nice cop. Earvin Johnson is the bad cop.
Earvin lol
From Michigan
What they criticize lebron for is the same thing they praise magic for
That's because while Bron's style is clearly similar to Magic he chases Jordan's ghost. To chase the 🐐 title you gotta want at the end.
Magic wasn't chasing that kind of title so he could play his style freely w/o criticism
jeremy brown lol to be the best u don’t have to copy the best, if u do that ur gonna be a poor man’s versions just look at Kobe
Magic dont disappear and blame teammates on crunch time. His teammates' stats improved while lebron eh.. uh.. next topic. magic value his teammates, he never had problems as a leader. All listens.
@@bryanjacob6708 almost all those fundamentals that you see came from those before them. Theres no way you tell everybody that this guy is unique and this is not. Everybody copies someone. Alot of guys want to copy mj fundamentals, not just because they are chasing him, because it is the most "EFFECTIVE" for them. And not alot of em can do that aside from kobe. When people see kobe, they see jordan in different era, and thats a great compliment, not a poor man.
Lol I swear his hair line goes back each week. Just a inch 😂
Great coaching fact by IT that gets constantly overlooked...
Dang.... I never thought about What IT said. Lebron literally came in with nobody guiding him. Amazing talent, mediocre coaches.
Molly finally letting the ppl that played the game ACTUALLY TALK 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
2:15 made her finally shut up when no one was having it, and they all just finally ignored her. lol #stfuMolly
I love it man 🐐🐐
Love how he added Jokic in the conversation for MVP
zeke is a legend
@Chuck Anya He was a legend/all time great. Zeke is top 15 all time
@Chuck Anya he is a top 5/top 3 point the only point guards that are above him are magic and oscar. People can make a case he's above oscar. Guys like nash or john thomas is above those players
@Chuck Anya greatest little man. Lead the pistons to back to back championships beating bird mike and magic in the process. In a era dominated by big man only him and mj are the only guards to win without a dominant big man in that era and in the past magic didn't oscar didn't
@Chuck Anya Bro have you seen any clips or his games? Dude has the best ball handling skills and a high basketball IQ as point guard. He scored a record 25 points in a ONE quarter playoff game against Magic and Showtime Lakers with a twisted ankle swollen like a baseball. Your telling me thats no legendary?
@Chuck Anya id like to see Curry take on the teams from back in the day, id wouldn't be as easy as 2015-2018 where the only competition was Lebron and the Cavs
"Who will remain nameless, who just abused me"
Preach IT💯
Honestly, the first thought that came up when i saw this image is did Pippen and Isaiah meet since Pip was on this show yesterday.
Isiah, my favorite player back in the day.
Why the guy in the back with the magic jersey look like Shaq?
Respect!!!!
Wing players do more. chase guards and forwards around on defense while also handling the ball
Max is right Hakeem was the greatest skilled big man and besides Russell he might have been the greatest defensive center. He dominated all the great centers in the 80s and 90s
😕 pretty sure the greatest defensive center of all time is Wilt Chamberlain...for sure the most dominant even Russell couldn't match his numbers.
@@mobilisenmobili the impact russell had for boston was bigger than his numbers.Wilt was a dominant force on the offensive end of the court not saying he wasn't great defensively but not to the level of bill
@@mobilisenmobili Wilt was the lebron of his time not talking about playing styles. Physical dominance in case for wilt whose the greatest athlete in NBA history the team offense is ran through them so numbers are off the charts and both came up small in big moments
@@ced9938 Wilt holds the record for most blocked shots in a game @ 23..25 unofficially. No one will ever do that not even the all time leader in blocks Hakeem and especially not Bill Russell. Russell's aggression on the defensive end might be unmatched but his presence is even to Wilt and that might be questionable!? Wilt by far beats anyone, without, being intimidating. It just so happens that when he started playing the league didn't record blocks.
Wilt played in a different time where stats were inflated. Im not too gullible to believe Wilt could do that in the modern NBA. Dont forget Wilt, 6'8 Bill Russell, Nate Thurmond, Elgin Baylor, Jerry Lucas, Walt Bellamy, Bob Pettit, Wes Unseld. All had 20 reb seasons. All of them did it in the 1950s-60s. How many modern NBA players averaged above 17 rebs? 2, Dennis Rodman and Moses Malone. You expect me to believe that in 50 years no player has had a 20 reb season when like 8 guys in the 60s were doing it on the regular? Sounds like some bull to me. Those guys definitely wouldnt be able do that now a days. Thats why 1975 is the cut off from inflated numbers to real competition. People had to be missing a lot back in the day and not defending rebs
Great point about Lebron "Who taught him how to play basketball" bravo
Yes I am .......
Going to subscribe to Ultra Class Kennels
Earvin be like: "wanna see a magic trick Stephen A.? I'll make you disappear real quick."
Isiah finally said something people forget about LeBron, imagine having him with a hall of fame coach
Magic never said he is the goat on camera but he does have five rings to speak for him but i do not think magic would ever say on camera that he is the goat that would be disrespecting all the other goats no one player can say i am the goat an mean it they can only say i am a goat or i am one of the goats an we the fans will accept that because they truly are one of the goats
David McDonald I guess when Muhammad Ali declared himself the The Greatest he was also disrespectful to you? Not to mention when Kobe said he thinks he’s better than MJ and LeBron. The idea that self-confidence or thinking you’re great is “disrespectful” speaks to your own low self esteem. You’re offended by people who think highly of themselves. How does thinking highly of yourself hurt or disrespect anybody? 🤣 Find healing...
@@mashuduthidiela9643 boxing is a one v one sport
Stephen a. Is on that dope
Starkiller _ they all are
So is max. That’s why they talk too much and say stupid shit constantly.
I love Isiah as an analyst
MOLLY TRIED TO MAKE THE JOKE GO ON.. IT WAS OVER MOLLY LOLOLOLOL
How Kobe isn't on the Stephen's A-List: All-Time NBA All-Star Team when he is a 4-time allstar MVP the hate on Kobe is real.
mj is there so no need for 2nd mj
Kobe who?
@@ludnqka stupid ass mo...
Stephen a lineup is the greatest ever
@@donaldpace9033 he's right. Get out your feelings lol
LeBron is a self-taught player that figured out how to dismantle decades worth of coaching theory without formal training: a genius and a 🐐.
Dudes bball iq is off the charts
Props to IT for shouting out the Joker, that man is so underrated. Needs to be in more talks for MVP. Although I do agree that the other names like PG13, Harden and Giannis are also contenders, no one ever talked about Nikola man 🤦🏽♂️
Yeah, Hakeem is often forgotten in all this. Im glad Max spoke about that. Ill never forget the game against david robinson, when he won the league mvp award the year prior, and he said something that ticked Hakeem off..And, when they played the following game agains each other, he was like 'you're the league mvp, right?' and he just took Robinson to school. Im sure you can find it on youtube. check it out.
I love how molly tried to throw in another little irving joke and totally got ignored lmao
Just like how people do to her in general
What did she say, I couldn't understand clearly
Mukund Yadav Max said Magic Johnson and she said: “You mean Earvin” 🙄🙄
Greatest PGs of all time 1. Magic Johnson 2. Isaiah Thomas
Winning pg yes I would take kidd or Stockton
Z CiDDKaST I agree
All Time pgs 1. Magic 2. John Stockton 3. Big O 4. Isiah
For pure point guards just take out Magic and then the same goes.
Espn would not be anything without SAS... he makes the show and hes honest.. people and the players need the hear that.
Guards-Magic and Jordan
Forwards-Bird and LeBron
Center-Wilt Chamberlain
Many didn’t see Wilt, Magic or Bird in their primes but what they did was phenomenal, especially Wilt. The 12 foot lane was widened because of Wilts 50 point 25 rebound averages in 1961-62 ( Crazy!) Wilt reportedly had a 48 vertical leap as a 7 footer. When I see players on the list who were born after 1980, this tells me the lack of awareness of what existed before 1980.Kareem, Isaiah Thomas, Kobe Bryant, Tim Dunkin, and Elgin Baylor would be my second five. Baylor was a beast and averaged 38 ppg for the Laker in one season before an injury that had Jerry West on his team as well.
He must of embarssed Stephen A’s ass 😂😂
You can't compare Steph Curry to Magic Johnson.
Magic & Bird era was the Best Era ever. Magic can play all 5 positions & he was the Best of the Best.
Curry can't CARRY a team by Himself. Curry is a shooters and always rely from the arc.
Susanna Billson Magic can not play the 5. No one can carry a team by themselves and win a finals trophy not even Jordan. When has Magic carried a team by himself he had Kareem and James worthy for a lot of his title runs. Watch a curry game for once he does more than shoot the 3 he can finish at the rim, he’s a good playmaker, and his impact on the court is like no one else before him
Steph is just another glorified Mike Adams (played for the bullets-nuggets-Hornets)
Curry can't carry a team
2013 he beat 3 seed nuggets
2014 he have 7 games series on lob city clippers
2015 he win championship(28ppg in the playoffs
2016 he have 73-9 and loss game seven series on lebron
2019 7-4 playoffs without kd (30.5ppg in finals)
Yeah CuRrY CaNnOt CaRrY a tEaM 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
I’ve always known Magic as being uhmm...POSITIVE + 😆
PREACH ISAIAH! PREACH!
The way these guys are acting all giddy that they got dissed, makes me realize what I heard from someone else; “Sport journalist hate on pros, because they can only watch what they always wanted to be”.
How are they hating...
Or it could be
"Athletes know the journalists are right...but they will never admit to it"
Or
"Athletes hate journalists who dont kiss thier asses all the time "
We PRAISE magic for getting the best shot available, but lebron’s biggest CRITICISM is the same thing. SMH. Just shows how much people are so blind sided by Jordan that people don’t even realize lebrons greatness and all they want to do is bring lebron down. Idc what y’all have to say Lebron is the GREATEST OF ALL TIME!
Why is IT always left out of the conversations of the greatest top 10 to play the game? 2nd greatest PG to ever play the game. Back when it was all man to man defense, no hiding in a zone, hard fouls, no friends scheming to play with each other, hated rivalries, great players spread all over the place, smaller and much tougher conferences. He would eat today’s point guards up. Dude had handles, court vision, could shoot and create his own shot, made his teammates better, had passion and love for the game and was a winner.
It would be nice if all sports media was as calm and nuanced as this.
If you don't have Steph Curry in your top 5 all time all-star team you don't know basketball.
Yeah some people could never understand it, I would put MJ and Curry for the first 2 people to be on that list, it really is a no-brainer.
Kevin durant is a tad overrated imo.
old school IT is a national treasure in b-ball and life
Watching all the great players you just named Isiah.
TF KD DOIN ON THAT LIST.. LMAO
heardi 6”11 guard and he’s unguardable i can keep going dont hate for personal reasons focus on basketball only
heardi more 6’9ish.... but point taken.
Vishal Sancheti 6’10 3/4 basically 6’11
KD has really bribed Stephen A. To clap for him
Pratikshit Nanda naww it was KD’s mama. SAS slept with her
I bet it’s either Kobe or Allen, the caller.
You know Isiah was great when folks still need a diaper because the bad boys won twice
Hell naw!.. compare Bron to Scottie not Magic....I'm choosing Hakeem over Shaq...the Dream is the greatest center of all times...no Isaiah it's not just the wing players in the GOAT conversation some think Kareem, Wilt, n Russell..but it is true the GOAT had wings n we all know Mike is the only player that could ever fly...lol..I agree with Max on this one Bird, n Olajawon is on my list along with the GOAT n Magic...now the power forward spot is hard I mean Duncan, Malone, Garnett, n Russell or u can play with two centers cause Hakeem can play all five..lol..
Bo Jackson Lebron is above Scottie. Magic is a very good comparison
Bruh stop hating even Magic compares Bron's style to his. You gotta be a bitter hater if you can't see the similarities!
You mean kareem the greatest just saying
the fact that you list garnett and malone while ignoring dirk who is superior to both of them and destroyed garnett his whole careers, speaks volume about the lack of respect for nowitzki. if we would be black, people would rate him above all, maybe even above duncan, kinda a shame.
I've heard greats say lebron is scottie pippen mixed with karl malone. He's a bigger stronger grant hill
I love Isaiah 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Always wanted him to play with a good coach like Pop
Kareem was greatest basketball player World have ever seen, but for some reason you don't hear much about.
salih salih bedside Kareem was pro black
Wilt whooped on him as an old man with a bad knee. Prime Wilt destroys Kareem