The Charles Leclerc and Carlos Sainz dilemma
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- Опубликовано: 20 апр 2024
- Charles Leclerc and Carlos Sainz are friends off the track but over the past weekend, they dynamic seems to have shifted between the two Ferrari drivers. With an incident during the sprint race and loss of positions during the start of the Grand prix, the two drivers have been critical of one another. This is surprising since the teammate dynamic is arguably the best in Formula 1. But with Carlos Sainz having nothing to lose, could we see tensions continue to rise between the two drivers as the 2024 F1 Season goes on? Enjoy!
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Did it though? Charles is probably focusing more on consolidating his position in the team before Lewis comes along. Carlos is thinking about his future team and giving them a show...they're racing for themselves, not internal team dominance.
Good points 👍
Good point, but I still feel Charles is the number one driver until Lewis gives Ferrari reason to think otherwise. Charles is in the best position to be team leader, but it is Lewis Hamilton we’re talking about 👀
Hello, Law.
@@MadeByPerspective if you look at both of them the last few years Charles didn't deserve to be out right number one as Lewis wasn't out right number one when he was fighting Nico in my opinion as Lewis was better driver but Nico was close to him and in my opinion Charles and Sainz are closely to driver's then Lewis and Nico anyone agree with me?
@@MadeByPerspective Especially with Lewis' form right now. He's looking worse than ever before and its come from nowhere. A bad year in 2022 and now his worst year both on merit and statistically.
I honestly think if this is the Lewis that turns up to Ferrari, that it'll be the end of his career. Bcs Charles right now, is still leading a Carlos Sainz who's fighting for his future. Charles has been open about struggling to get things right. And he showed this weekend in China, that it was just poor form, and that his class is permanent, comfortably finishing ahead of Carlos in the Sprint and with a noticeable gap in the race too.
No dilemma
One man wants to establish himself as numero one as he fears a certain 7xWC would take that away from him
The other says"I don't work for you no more ,so f--k you,and decides to drive for his career
Both are driving accordingly
And as much of a fan I am of Ferrari
They bought them upon themselves
Good or bad
this side of carlos is fascinating, carlos and charles have always respected each other enough to fight on track and never take each other out of the race, people adore to exaggerate the narrative to fit their agendas, but personally I love when these two challenge each other, is racing, is what makes f1 exciting
except it's always Charles that makes sure they don;t make contact. Carlos does not care. Never did.
@@maximilianmitroi8545 that start of the 2024 china gp doesn't agree with this statement, they are both racing each other, let them be
@@theluckyones8 give me one instance when Carlos had to go off track because of a dive from Charles. You can't, can you...
@@maximilianmitroi8545 I can bring on Monza but don't think i need to, when Charles just openly said after that China sprint incident and I quote: "I think Carlos was a bit over the limit today. In the past we had fights where sometimes I was over the limit, sometimes he was over the limit." 🙌
I'm not here to fight, for me both are great drivers, whatever narrative you wanna believe seems like a concern only for you, not me, have a nice day
@@theluckyones8 we are both entitled to our opinions, i just want fair racing between competitors and help between team mates. F1 is a team sport and there are only a few drivers that drive like Carlos against their team mates on the grid, which makes me not like them, that's all. Unfortunately, Lewis is one of them...
A driver with nothing to lose truly has everything to gain. This season, I cant see Sainz caring for Ferrari's team strategy or Leclerc's standings.
When did Sainz care about that?
It's absolutely baffling how Carlos doesn't have a seat for 2025 but lance "whats an absolute idiot" stroll does.
Rich daddy owns a team
He's a nepo baby.
not baffling, played around with his offers from Ferrari and using Audi thinking he can pressure them for more money. He forget that the Ferrari name has prestige and he never expected they'd sign Lewis. So now he has to prove himself to other teams who have the luxury of the whole season before they pick a driver but he probably has less time.
He has said many times that he doesn't like to burn bridges, so i don't think he's ever going to "not care and do whatever", I think this was racers, having a race, not caring that they're form the same team.
I miss those times whem two different fanbase were respectful to each other and didn't act like animals.
Ah yes the time that never existed.
@@rexthewolf3149 yeah, booing at Vettel two times in one season is on the same level as burning clothes, sexual assault, throwing smoking stuffs onto track and start a fight🤡 Definetly on the same level, bravo, you deserve an Oscar
@@untitledtitle503 If Vettel was your example you know less than you think. Prost vs Senna.
@@rexthewolf3149 and there was any sexual assault, burning clothes, a fight, and throwing random dangerous stuff on to the track? No. Are you stupid or what? How can you put Prost vs Senna incidents with crime and fully disrepectful behaviors. Omg, for real, the two fanbase insulted to each other to the hell, great, it's basically like rape, yeah you right🙄
@@rexthewolf3149and there was any sexual assault? No. Fight? No. Throwing damgerous stuffs that are blocking vision? No. Apoligizing a pedophile(trl limitless)? No. Burning clothes? No. Because I can't remember one except in the last 3 years. Oh wait, there were a few incident in 70 years, that's my bad🤡
Carlos is driving for his future... 2024 is him selling him self..
Ferrari have a great pairing.. but skeptical as to how it will go with Lewis.
Another great video... your honest views presented well.
He already has a seat for 2025, we only don't know where yet.
@@soundscape26 No he doesnt. He's already said that "all his best options are still open". He wouldn't be saying that. He'd be saying, "yeah, everythings under control and I'm happy with where I'm at." if he already had a seat.
@@bill4665 I didn't mean that literally, just that sooner or later he'll sign a contract for 2025... it's only a matter of time.
@@soundscape26 Oh 100%. I do think Charles is better than Carlos, but Carlos is a really impressive driver. Who helped McLaren leave the back of the field and now has done the same for Ferrari too. He clearly is very talented, and I want him to get the Merc seat. He won't be treated well at Red Bull bcs he can genuinely challenge Max more often than Checo, Gasly or Albon could. So Merc is the best option. Their leaniance on selecting a first driver is good as it means Carlos can thrive. And I do genuinely think that if Carlos were to perform ALL of 2025 how he drove in the first 4 races this year, he could force George out of that team. But honestly as a McLaren fan, I would honestly like him back. I know we have Oscar and he'll be great for the future, but so far this year, he seems further back from Lando. Lando has taken another step forward this year, and Oscar (if he has) hasnt taken a very big step forward. His tyre wear issues are exactly how they were last year, and while he had a great year last year, he's not improved anything this year. Apart from Saudi, he's not beaten Lando (not even come close), and is now losing out. Even if he had damage today from the Stroll-Ricciardo incident, he was 10 seconds back from Lando by lap 12.
Lando was the last rookie for us, and he showed by the first race of 2020 that he had improved. Then in 2021 he improved MASSIVELY, he was getting those Austria 2020 drives and results again, but now he was doing it consistently. We have to see how the rest of 2024 goes, but I do fear Oscar is showing early signs of struggle.
Anyways thats my rant, I miss Carlos. He's gonna get a seat for sure, just hope he gets a seat that he's worth!!!
@@bill4665 he does have several offers...just a matter of choice
Agree with you. On balance they keep it friendly & respectful off track. I personally love the close racing. I feel Carlos got a little aggressive in China and Charles was aggressive in Monza 23 but they talked it out later. I’m a big C2 fan also. I enjoyed all the overtakes throughout the grid this weekend.
Everyone making it a bigger deal than what it is, Carlos doesnt have to bend over backwards for Charles to be ahead of him, if its close they race for themselves not for one another
Anyone who watched F1 like a normal fan knows that Leclerc is better, but he is not LOADS better. Like 70% of the time Leclerc is better but Sainz has his moments and is never too far away.
Of course this seaosn Sainz will not back down, he needs to show RB, Mercs and maybe if he really shines convince Stroll to replace is dumb son.
That said i am extremely sad that leclerc fan are taking a page from TeamLH cult and being really toxic towards Sainz.
Well what do you expect? Carlos fans have been going at Lecleec fans every single time that Carlos finished ahead. They brought the toxicity to Ferrari in the first place
@@DannyBoy3 not only leclerc fans they been going at max fans too saying carlos is better driver despite their torro rosso days said otherwise
@@Dendyaryadi yeah, to me they are currently the most toxic fanbase
I would say 70 is too high, maybe 60-40 atleast. Also remember, Charles aggression some times leads him to crash out completely with no points, Carlos at the very least is 2 positions behind Charles. So that kind of balances out. On pure pace and potential assuming 0 mistakes Charles is faster all day every day.
@@DannyBoy3 Even this guy... He was making videos that Leclerc makes too many mistakes (you can't make mistakes when you are at least 3 tents per lap slower) than says that he loves that Carlos pushed his teammate off the track. If it was the other way around Leclerc would be burned alive by him. Also he said that this was the first time Sainz was selfish but as we all know this is not true. Sainz fan base is legit as bad as cult lh and the guys from orange army that get out of their way just to hate on other drivers because Max cant be touched
Carlos fought for his position in the Sprint. Maybe a bit too far - after Fernando ruined an opportunity for Carlos/Charles to get 3rd. But Carlos did succumb to Charles a few corners later, cleanly. However, Charles ruined BOTH their Races on Sunday with a corner 1 incident, where Charles sacrificed 2 positions (RUS & HUL) both got past, just because Charles couldn’t allow Carlos past. Carlos maybe fought his teammate too hard in the Sprint. But Charles cost himself (and Carlos) actual points on Sunday by doing what he did in turn 1. And, yes, they’re my favorite drivers…
I prefer Carlos over Leclerc. Not saying he's better, but I PREFER Him. sorry guys.
Nothing wrong with that it just means you like him more
same
Same
It's ok. I like Leclerc more.
Nooooo.... Font say anything about my fav driver Charlos Leinz
"Charlos Leinz"? New duo name unlocked. 🔓
The issue with RUclips videos/ opinions is they need not be rational / Unbiased / Right 😂😂.
You are defending Sainz coz your his fan. That incident in china could have easily end-up with a puncture to either of them or both.
I bet if it was Charles pushing Sainz out you would call it desperate.
Carlos is just as good as Leclerc and I'm not sure what Ferrari is thinking dumping him for Lewis if Leclerc is their #1 driver...
I think anyone who says that Carlos is better, is incorrect. I don't think this is debate-able.
I love them both, but Leclerc is definetly clear. He was unlucky in Bahrain, largely quicker in the 2nd and 3rd stints at Australia this year but Leclerc was told to stay behind and create a gap. He's definetly closer to Leclerc than ever before, but Leclerc has been pretty honest that he has been performing worse than before and is struggling in his strongest areas so far this year.
I think it's also important to identify that, while Carlos may hold the title of the only non-RB winner for the last year and a half, he has been INCREDIBLY fortunate. He was out-qualified in h2h last year 14-8 to Leclerc and Red Bull just so happened to fail in ONE of the only eight times Sainz beat Leclerc in quali, which won him that race. It's also important to note that, like I said before, Charles was quicker before the VSC tainted things, in the 2nd and 3rd stints, so again, Qualifying had won Carlos the race.
I think Vegas is a good example that, even if it was partly bad luck for Carlos, it was Charles who was challenging the Red Bull's and taking them on for the entire race for a victory.
And finally, when Ferrari were challenging for a title early in 2022, it was Leclerc who was leading the charge and Sainz was left to the way-side.
All of those things are what effected the Ferrari decision. Although I do think they shouldnt have got rid of EITHER driver. Charles is always there when Carlos isnt, and Carlos is always there when Charles isnt. I think that Hamilton decision, was Vassuer's first and only noteable mistake so far as Ferrari boss . The lineup wasnt broke, so he didnt need to fix it.
Spoke the truth
So because "Leclerc has been pretty honest that he has been performing worse than before and is struggling in his strongest areas so far this year." - that allows him to strike the current "worse" performance off his record for just admitting it? the argument for one being better than the other is entirely dependant on current form, an admission about it doesn't make it matter any less.
Also convenient how according to your comment - for Carlos' misfortune in Vegas, you can give credit to Charles for "challenging the redbulls", yet when it's the other side of the coin and Carlos sees a better result, all you can do is chalk it up to luck and circumstance. Carlos' drive in Singapore was one of the smartest I've seen in F1 and Charles has also had similar great days so I don't think its fair to try and take that away from them?
I can see that you are Charles fan first and I am the same for Carlos so there might be inherent biases in our takes, but I think credit should be awarded where it is due and there is no "one" better driver for once and for all - some days will favour either driver but they'll both still put in their best performance because they're both quite good.
@emaadbeig1799 don't know if it was geared towards me or not but I will respond. They are both good drivers Charles is just a shade better.
One he is younger with less experience.
Two he has achieved more in a shorter time.
Three when push comes to shove against max Charles will fight. Carlos usually doesn't fight with max as hard as he fights with Charles.
@@1BadPrix i have no qualms about you having a favourite, FWIW i think Carlos is currently in better form but all I was saying was that I found it unfair how OP held their respective achievements in different lights to favour Charles.
You are entitled to your take but I'll respond to your points just for fun.
1. I don't see age as anything but a number in F1, we're seeing a 42 year old Alonso putting in some stellar performances and while Charles' has less years in F1 I don't think he has necessarily less experience in a substantial way.
2. He has indeed achieved a lot in a short amount of time and kudos for that, but he has also been in a very fortunate position for that being adopted as Ferrari's golden child -who for all intents and purposes have built the team around him and aren't coy about it. Carlos has had much more of a slog in this regard and often received the short end of the stick at Ferrari
3. Fighting with max with the current state of the redbull car is kind of a moot point, Carlos is good at picking his battles IMO and I think will fight where its worthwhile - evident from his 2 GP wins in the past year :)
@emaadbeig1799 that's the thing you only are counting his 2 wins both when max had issues. Now where was he in 2021 2022 and 2023 when max had no issues?
I have no problem with Carlos I just don't think he has that dog in him. Now he has elevated this year slightly because he is fighting for his career. He should have been fighting this hard from the jump.
And yes age is a factor. Young max is way different than max now. You used Alonzo as a reference well let's say young Alonzo is better than older Alonzo because young Alonzo actually won a title.
And let me ask you this give me your top 10 driver's on the grid in order from.best to worse.
Things like this, while it's just one moment, could give top teams second thoughts about signing Carlos. Imagine Max and Carlos or George and Carlos being on the same level, and then they both fight every time with the risk of hitting each other and losing points...
Then again, Carlos may have done this just to show the top teams like Red Bull and Mercedes that he is a great driver and is worth signing for.
Russell is no saint himself. That's more than established by now.
This is a good take! But I think Carlos has shown how good of a team player he can be as well
@@MadeByPerspective carlos choosing to not comment on today's race start while the reporter was trying to bait him with "charles did it today cause of what happened yesterday" was the proof of how good of a teammate he is..race hard. leave everything on track, don't talk shit about your teammate in media.
@@gunjantripathi9271yeah he said I don’t want to comment and yet ended up commenting bout it. FFS 🤦🏻♀️
Carlos is my fav, but I do agree with Charles that Carlos races him harder than the others (e.g., Austria sprint 22, Monza 23), a bit Ocon-like. I personally find it exciting but I think pushing it a bit too far is not going to entice teams to pick him up. That said, he seems confident in getting a decent contract so I guess he knows what he’s doing 😊
I don't think I can agree with this statement since Carlos and Fernando raced so hard Fernando ended up having a puncture, mind you Fernando is his childhood hero. Carlos is just racing as hard as others as with Charles.
Honestly think the sport would get better without teammates. It would essentially double the amount of drivers without adding a 21st car. Manufactures could still run two cars but the garage would be REALLY split down the center. No let them pass or hold back so and so. That should add a little fun to the mix. You still train, travel and share a garage but it's every man for himself out on the track. As much as I love watching drivers win it does get old when the same ones win over and over. I want to see a championship go down to the last race. More changes are needed to make that happen.
Back again watching a perspective videk at 12am
Great video keep it up you're doing amazing things 😁😀
Thank you bro!
Man what are you talking about Formula One drivers constantly let people by. I had to see it 20 times last night didn’t even fight
They are not friends irl either tho.If you follow them closely and look through the perfect pr statements they tolerate each other at best.Even Gasly who is an actual childhood friends of Charles has said that they aren't friends. Overall Carlos and his family have been passive aggressive towards Charles in the media many times and the only thing keeping the facade going is the Ferrari pr team working overtime 😅 Also Carlos has never been a team player unless he is the one benefiting from it.Some people are saying he is fighting for himself now but if he keeps clashing with Charles this is gonna be a clear sign to other top teams like Merc and RB who are looking for a second driver that he is not the one for them
This take is so right!!!
lol Silvia will literally sighs in relief on Dec 8th. Fckin finally that sapinyards are gone for good frm ferrari. 🤣🤣😅
Hamilton will not be giving Leclerc any favours next year... Perhaps good practice for Leclerc of what is to come.
I really hope Sainz signs with Red Bull tbh.
If you have watched the races Carlos has been better the entire year. Charles has every advantage too with the team focusing more on him since he will be present going forward.
not really, in barhein charles had his race pace comprimised because of his brake issue in japan despite sainz finishing higher, lec did a 1 stop strategy and had a better race pace than carlos and here in china lec has been faster than sainz with a 10 sec gap at the finish line and it would've been more if not for safety car. So "Carlos has been better the entire year " is a stupid statement as he has only been better in australia and japan ( only bcs he finished the race in a higher position)
If it weren’t for team orders in AUS , Lec would’ve bagged P1, as his pace towards the end was matching that of Sai. N Sai’s tyres were almost dead
My favourite duo 😢
Carlos is not a team player. Never was, never will be. And saying that him pushing Charles off is because losing his seat is wrong. He pushed Charles off last year in Monza too. He asks to be let by when he is faster than Charles but never gives position when Charles is faster. I will never support any drivers that are like this: Carlos, Ocon, Max, Stroll...
F1 is a team game and you need to be a team player. If i was an F1 team, i would not sign Carlos. Even if Ferrari did not get Hamilton (which is a marketing move, let's be honest) i would give that seat to someone that will help me win as a team and not only think about himself.
I don't think he has nothing to lose, but he does have a lot to gain.
However, if he would turn that Ferrari into debris every other race 2024 would become a challenge real fast.
*Please turn up your mic my guy* :D
You could say I had my speaker "Turned Up To The MAX" ;)
Kinda like the Carlos Sainz Sr. and Colin McRae in Subaru....there is some tension in that team.....
Now I really wanna know one thing. And let me n clear n not a Ferrari fan nor Sai or Lec fan, ppl here are saying Carlos is being consistent and is showing his racing and is driving for his ownself and not the team, might I remind you guys of 2023 and 2022 season, where was that consistency?? In 2022 when Ferrari had a competitive car who was fighting the battle with max??? WHO??? and who was the one saying “he’s intimidating me”??? 🤔. It’s hard to agree than Sai can adapt to any type of car, but bins in when the car is oversterrey. M not saying he’s a bad driver, he’s a best #2 driver any team can have, but if he keeps doing what he did in China (missing the apex and pushing your team mate off the track) which TP’s will b ready to take in a driver like that? TP’s have more data than we mere onlookers of F1 to decide who’s better in their team or not. And for ppl sayin that’s racing for the Chinese incident, it wasn’t jst racing that was dirty racing could’ve gotten penalised but as it’s the same team that had to let go, same with monza Sai was dirty driving n cud have cost double dnf there.
Everyone needs to calm down and let the race car drivers race.
As a pragmatist, I understand why teams want to work together. But as a viewer, a fan, it utterly infuriates me when we don't get to see racing for the sake of a brands success. I dont really care about ferrari, or mercedes, or Alpine. I care about watching these men fight it out to see who's the best. Let them crash, I do not understand why any fan would argue otherwise. One gets you a race, the other gets you an orderly queue in order of whos contract pays the most which is boring as fuck.
Good vedio
No on track animosity between the two? Monza 2023 enters the chat: hold my beer 🍺
For me it is just racing....
Spicy, naughty and aggressive is just a part of F1...no wonder that F1 is boring nowadays... simplest of things getting complaints....just bull shit ☝️
What drama😭😭
Don't make this bigger, they would talk about it with each other.
I like Charles Leclerc.
To be fair Carlos was never "Mr nice guy", just look at Silverstone 2022 or Monza 2023
true he was the smart one ☝
I think Carlos is awesome. Charles and him make an awesome team. I think Lewis is the problem. He is ruining a great team pairing. I think Carlos is handling things very well. Lewis does not want to admit that his time to shine has passed. I do not think he is going to win another world championship against Max.
Dilemma? With a guy that in 3 seasons with Ferrari has never finished better than 5th in any season ?? In the last 2 decades Sainz has the worst record of any Ferrari driver. Schumacher, Barrichello, Kimi, Massa, Alonso, Vettel & Leclerc have better récords than Sainz. He shouldn't even be in the conversation.
this is the 3rd time carlos has hit charles, he has always been like this charles being a pr merchant has blinded people to think carlos is some great team player
Hello
Bro it was one incident this video was not necessary 😭
2 incidents, one in the sprint one in the race
@@billiamlemom4268 The one in the race was hardly an incident. Leclerc gets checked up by Norris in front and loses some grip as a result causing him to understeer. It was just unfortunate that Sainz was the driver on the outside at that moment.
Carlos has stronger personality and he's more tough than Charles and he's using it to overcome his, arguably, inferior talent to Charles'.
Like them both and Ferrari's doing another mistake braking up almost the perfect line up
Can’t say who’s definitely better, but one thing is for sure: Charles is overrated and Carlos is underrated
Carlos is overhyped charles is rated fine doesn’t matter what we think ferrari renewed the correct driver
@@mo215300 overhyped how?
@@adomaspivoriunas4294everyone overreacts and acts like Carlos is a top driver whenever he beats Charles. He’s a perfect example of being overhyped
Ummmm no by definition and the contract. Charles is overpaid on the hype he had if he is getting beaten or on par with the leaving driver.
(Who also didn't race a whole race compared to Charles).
Imagine if the guy you just gave the long contract to is losing to the guy you said isn't good enough.
@@roberttavares9316 nope charles will continue to outpace sainz in remaining races and justify his top billing
They just need better team lol
Like Audi or some new future team
Chales has already peaked in 2019-2020. Time to admit it.
What dilemma?
The guy got kicked out for an aging hamilton and is showing to the other teams what he's capable of and has no issue racing his teammate,whoever it is. Guy is trying to prove his worth.
Can't believe you're a fellow ferrari fan and doing this clickbait garbage
He showed the other teams that he‘ll cause conflict within the team and has no problem with taking out is teammate just to stay ahead
He is not your friend, Sainz wants all glory )don’t let him fool you anymore)🌎🙏🌈🌹😇🌎
Carlos was always the more dirtier and selfish of those two.
Sainz has always been like this at Ferrari, hes just being honest about it now, funnily enough now that he is leaving he decides to show some team spirit. Im surprised he doesnt see leaving Ferrari as an opportunity because he doesnt care that much about the team and it should be apparent to him that hes never going to get the keys to the castle when there is someone faster than him there already. I dont think Lewis is an amazing signing, never thought he was, but honestly anything is better than having that tapeworm Sainz at this team for any longer.
Dude, chill...