thank you so much for your comparison that is from the point of view of an amateur sound engineer and musician, very satisfying: you made a very comparable recording setup, side by side on the same piece and cello. Amazing work! And it put an end to debate for some that tailpiece is not significantly impacting the sound but for loudness and response. The sun is clearly different in these examples. I wish there were more videos reviewing them. I hope that you might consider do some more in the future. By the way: yes, your cello is gorgeous, all my respect for your fine craftsmanship. regards from Ireland
Thank you very much, that was extremely informative! I bought a cheap cello and was wondering which tail piece would upgrade the sound, this video definitely helps to answer some of my questions! Thank you very much for making it ❤
From what I heard at the video I preferred the akusticus and the Bois d’harmonie but for me the winner is the akusticus, sound and intonation are more centered, sound is deeper. So interesting to watch and listen to
Now it works, beautiful! My scientific compliments for takinng the time to measure those seemingly significant variables :-D I was actually surprised by how much I liked the Akustikus and ebony tailpieces, even though I reaally hate the look of the Akustikus and would usually say ebony is too heavy for a cello tailpiece. I usually go for something light like boxwood or carbon fiber. Like you say, the lighter tailpieces have a brighter sound with more overtone richness (in my ears), and I tend to prefer that. But maybe on a Strad model I might try to put on a heavier one, it seems to gíve more substance/slidity to the tone? I might like that, if I can find a suitably bright one
Hey! Thanks for the compliments haha. That was the easiest part though...I think Milos did the tough one which was trying to play the same piece over and over again the exact same way... I think that in regards to the sound preference, we are opposite haha, also considering your choice with the endpin. However, the akusticus is amazing for the price and the Bois in ebony is a very good one too! But I'm not a big fan of the boxwood or carbon ones haha. Yes, I think that finding the right balance between those things is the best...But as you can see, good luck trying many! Hahaha
@@LucasFabro Yes, I think we have somewhat different tastes. I'll say though, I sometimes find the light tailpieces to be a little boring in the tone character. I try to stear clear of those. Trying a lot of different ones is the way to go, preferably on the same instrument like this :-D
Very good work and thanks for sharing. Good you shared the data measurements too. However it’s difficult to correlate or pinpoint which parameter may have impacted the sound more. Agree with your two selections as best for that particular cello. Would like to know if the string afterlength (between bridge and tailpiece) was maintain the same in all 4 setups. In my experience, string afterlength and tailgut afterlength (between tailgut and saddle) impact significantly the sound when comparing different tailpieces. Interestingly, both “preferred” tailpieces have essentially the same length (EV 225/BC 226); and by the way almost equal in all other measurements. So did these rendered the best sound because they had essentially the same setup thereby discarding material and design differences? Could changing the string/tailpiece afterlength on the other two render similar results? Guess the permutations and combinations might make the task almost impossible. But it’s a good mind bugling exercise. Warm thanks from Puerto Rico.
Thank you very much! I'm glad you enjoyed it. Yes, unfortunately the amount of possible combinations is really infinate! And even though we try making as many as possible, then the budget for all those high quality tailpieces is limited too (in all the different measurements and materials) so we know it's impossible to try it all, but I guess that the best point "we can make" is that there's no right "better" tailpiece and they're not all the same; and to get the best possible result on the instrument, it's important to try them. When it was possible we kept the afterlength but with the shortest ones it was impossible (especially the akusticus). And another thing we did but didn't film was trying on that tailpiece that we picked different tailguts! it's incredibly how much impact these little things can have. Glad you appreciated the content and thanks for your comment!
Nice comparison, thank you. I preferred the ErgoVio, although the Bogaro & Clemente was nice as well. I have a question: Is the wolf tone on Milos' cello approximately at F sharp? It was most noticeable on the half note low F sharp in the Brahms. One interesting thing I noticed was that the heavier Bois d'harmonie tailpiece seemed to best eliminate the wolf tone.
I agree with you, Ergovio and Bogaro are the ones who give the best results with this cello. It seems to like lighter tailpieces. It would have been interesting to try Pernambuco too, maybe next time. Another interesting test would be to add weights to the same tailpiece to see the influence of the weight alone, which I suspect is more decisive than the material. Furthermore, it would also be less laborious and more accurate to do, because you would not have to remove the strings every time while keeping the tension stable. Or evaluate the influences of the change of position (distance from the bridge), but that is a lot more work.😊
Yes, I wanted to try a pernambuco one too but couldn't find any (and I forgot to buy it!). That's a great idea (although I'm really curious about the materials too) so we might do that next time! And it's indeed less of a hustle haha. Changing the distance from the bridge is also a good possibility and still less work than changing tailpieces itself if we do it with the titanium tailgut. Thanks for the suggestions!
The akusticus is really a very good tailpiece for many cellos -- not even considering the low price. I. would say that for rather bright sounding instruments it could even be the best option. For me I do have a bois d`harmony on a cello which is rather dark sounding and it is a bit brighter or maybe can produce more overtones than the Akusticus. I am not really convinced that the two other wooden tail pieces introduces here are better options for this very cello, but i guess that could have something to do with the sound my computer produces ( have to listen with good headphones again I. guess)...
That's an excellent question and an excellent point. Also something I discussed with Milos but we forgot to mention on the video. The answer however (except for the akusticus) is no. And the reason for that is that these are all already top quality tailpieces and that's the reason why we bought them (we know that if one doesn't fit this instrument, it'll fit another one); however we knew in advance that the responsiveness and ease of playing was going to be good.
Hi there - I just chanced upon this video as I've been experimenting with tailpieces. I recently changed from a Concarbo to a Bois D'harmonie Ebony tailpiece. I love the way my cello sounds with the Ebony. I have now been experimenting with the included composite fine tuners vs. titanium fine tuners/levers. I find the response is quicker with the composite tuners. Have you looked into differences in response/sound quality in this regard?
Hi! Thanks for the comment and apologies for the late reply! Bois D'harmonie tailpieces are amazing so I'm sure you're enjoying the change a lot! I have actually tried the differences between them but I didn't really reach to any fundamental conclusions to be honest...Or actually, to the same conclusion as always, for some tailpieces ones worked better while for some others, the other ones did. If I'm not mistaken for the Bois I preferred the composite, but I remember that for example a "quite bad" tailpiece I had improved a lot with the titanium ones (mainly power and corposity of the sound).
Hi! Thanks for your comment and apologies for the late response! I now realise that I forgot to put the links in the description, so here are some: - Akusticus: www.petzkolophonium.com/shop/lng/en/tools/planes/replacement-blades/akusticus-tailpiece-cello-with-finetuner.html?language=en www.thomann.de/gb/weidler_akusticus_tailpiece_cello_4_4.htm - Bogaro Clemente (directly from their website): bcbows.com/en/musical-instruments-accessories/cello/tailpieces.html EgoVio: They are a bit hard to find, but I saw some places on google, you should check availability. Bois d'harmonie (directly from their website): www.boisdharmonie.net/en/accessories/tailpiece Aside from the Akusticus, then the rest should be betweem €200 and €300 for musicians.
Hello. I wonder if a cheep or expensive tailpiece matters? I have a tailpiece but I can't determine if it's a cheep or expensive one, how can you tell?
Whether a tailpiece is cheap or expensive can make a difference in terms of its quality and durability. Generally, more expensive tailpieces are made with higher quality materials and craftsmanship, which can lead to better sound and performance. However, that doesn't necessarily mean that a cheap tailpiece can't work well or sound good, as for example the akusticus tailpiece works excellent on a lot of instruments. One way to determine if your tailpiece is cheap or expensive is to look at the materials it's made of. Tailpieces made of high-quality materials like ebony, rosewood, boxwood, etc. tend to be more expensive than those made of plastic or other similar materials. But there are also some relatively cheap wooden tailpieces with lower craftsmanship, so that's another important thing to look at. The quality of the fine tuners can be very important too. Additionally, you can look for any brand markings or engravings on the tailpiece, as more expensive tailpieces tend to be branded and marketed as high-end products. Keep in mind that an expensive tailpiece can range on the prices of €200 - €400 Regardless of whether your tailpiece is cheap or expensive, it's important to make sure it fits properly on your instrument. It's always good to try a few, as maybe a cheap one is the perfect fit for your instrument.
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honestly the depth of this cello's incredible sound made everything sound good. I agree with your conclusions and was blown away by the instrument.
Thank you very much Jeffrey!
I’m glad that you liked my cello and the video :)
thank you so much for your comparison that is from the point of view of an amateur sound engineer and musician, very satisfying: you made a very comparable recording setup, side by side on the same piece and cello.
Amazing work! And it put an end to debate for some that tailpiece is not significantly impacting the sound but for loudness and response. The sun is clearly different in these examples. I wish there were more videos reviewing them. I hope that you might consider do some more in the future. By the way: yes, your cello is gorgeous, all my respect for your fine craftsmanship.
regards from Ireland
Thank you for re uploading. This time there is sound.
Thank you very much for the comment! Glad that's solved haha
Thank you very much, that was extremely informative! I bought a cheap cello and was wondering which tail piece would upgrade the sound, this video definitely helps to answer some of my questions! Thank you very much for making it ❤
From what I heard at the video I preferred the akusticus and the Bois d’harmonie but for me the winner is the akusticus, sound and intonation are more centered, sound is deeper. So interesting to watch and listen to
I think I could listen to Milos playing this cello all day.
Hahaha, same! And I've heard that piece so many times already...
Very interesting !
Thank you very much for the comment!!
I'm glad you enjoyed it :)
Wow - that was fascinating. Such differences! It would be interesting to hear differences in after-length too (bridge to tailpiece distance).
Now it works, beautiful!
My scientific compliments for takinng the time to measure those seemingly significant variables :-D
I was actually surprised by how much I liked the Akustikus and ebony tailpieces, even though I reaally hate the look of the Akustikus and would usually say ebony is too heavy for a cello tailpiece. I usually go for something light like boxwood or carbon fiber. Like you say, the lighter tailpieces have a brighter sound with more overtone richness (in my ears), and I tend to prefer that. But maybe on a Strad model I might try to put on a heavier one, it seems to gíve more substance/slidity to the tone? I might like that, if I can find a suitably bright one
Hey! Thanks for the compliments haha. That was the easiest part though...I think Milos did the tough one which was trying to play the same piece over and over again the exact same way...
I think that in regards to the sound preference, we are opposite haha, also considering your choice with the endpin. However, the akusticus is amazing for the price and the Bois in ebony is a very good one too! But I'm not a big fan of the boxwood or carbon ones haha.
Yes, I think that finding the right balance between those things is the best...But as you can see, good luck trying many! Hahaha
@@LucasFabro Yes, I think we have somewhat different tastes. I'll say though, I sometimes find the light tailpieces to be a little boring in the tone character. I try to stear clear of those.
Trying a lot of different ones is the way to go, preferably on the same instrument like this :-D
Very good work and thanks for sharing. Good you shared the data measurements too. However it’s difficult to correlate or pinpoint which parameter may have impacted the sound more. Agree with your two selections as best for that particular cello. Would like to know if the string afterlength (between bridge and tailpiece) was maintain the same in all 4 setups. In my experience, string afterlength and tailgut afterlength (between tailgut and saddle) impact significantly the sound when comparing different tailpieces. Interestingly, both “preferred” tailpieces have essentially the same length (EV 225/BC 226); and by the way almost equal in all other measurements. So did these rendered the best sound because they had essentially the same setup thereby discarding material and design differences? Could changing the string/tailpiece afterlength on the other two render similar results? Guess the permutations and combinations might make the task almost impossible. But it’s a good mind bugling exercise. Warm thanks from Puerto Rico.
Thank you very much! I'm glad you enjoyed it.
Yes, unfortunately the amount of possible combinations is really infinate! And even though we try making as many as possible, then the budget for all those high quality tailpieces is limited too (in all the different measurements and materials) so we know it's impossible to try it all, but I guess that the best point "we can make" is that there's no right "better" tailpiece and they're not all the same; and to get the best possible result on the instrument, it's important to try them.
When it was possible we kept the afterlength but with the shortest ones it was impossible (especially the akusticus). And another thing we did but didn't film was trying on that tailpiece that we picked different tailguts! it's incredibly how much impact these little things can have.
Glad you appreciated the content and thanks for your comment!
Nice comparison, thank you. I preferred the ErgoVio, although the Bogaro & Clemente was nice as well. I have a question: Is the wolf tone on Milos' cello approximately at F sharp? It was most noticeable on the half note low F sharp in the Brahms. One interesting thing I noticed was that the heavier Bois d'harmonie tailpiece seemed to best eliminate the wolf tone.
I agree with you, Ergovio and Bogaro are the ones who give the best results with this cello. It seems to like lighter tailpieces. It would have been interesting to try Pernambuco too, maybe next time.
Another interesting test would be to add weights to the same tailpiece to see the influence of the weight alone, which I suspect is more decisive than the material. Furthermore, it would also be less laborious and more accurate to do, because you would not have to remove the strings every time while keeping the tension stable.
Or evaluate the influences of the change of position (distance from the bridge), but that is a lot more work.😊
Yes, I wanted to try a pernambuco one too but couldn't find any (and I forgot to buy it!).
That's a great idea (although I'm really curious about the materials too) so we might do that next time! And it's indeed less of a hustle haha.
Changing the distance from the bridge is also a good possibility and still less work than changing tailpieces itself if we do it with the titanium tailgut.
Thanks for the suggestions!
The akusticus is really a very good tailpiece for many cellos -- not even considering the low price.
I. would say that for rather bright sounding instruments it could even be the best option.
For me I do have a bois d`harmony on a cello which is rather dark sounding and it is a bit brighter or maybe can produce more overtones than the Akusticus. I am not really convinced that the two other wooden tail pieces introduces here are better options for this very cello, but i guess that could have something to do with the sound my computer produces ( have to listen with good headphones again I. guess)...
Any comments on how different tailpieces affected the responsiveness of the cello? Affect on any wolf tone? Ease of playing?
That's an excellent question and an excellent point. Also something I discussed with Milos but we forgot to mention on the video. The answer however (except for the akusticus) is no. And the reason for that is that these are all already top quality tailpieces and that's the reason why we bought them (we know that if one doesn't fit this instrument, it'll fit another one); however we knew in advance that the responsiveness and ease of playing was going to be good.
I usually end up loving more a violin or a viola after a rosewood tailpiece has been mounted onto it.
Thanks for the comment! It helps the channel a lot :)
I usually end up putting rosewood or palisander for my tailpieces!
@@LucasFabro I also like palisander. It is another great choice. It's coming from a player's perspective
@@jonhh6918 sorry, I meant to say pernambuco before! I always get them wrong in English haha
Hi there - I just chanced upon this video as I've been experimenting with tailpieces. I recently changed from a Concarbo to a Bois D'harmonie Ebony tailpiece. I love the way my cello sounds with the Ebony. I have now been experimenting with the included composite fine tuners vs. titanium fine tuners/levers. I find the response is quicker with the composite tuners. Have you looked into differences in response/sound quality in this regard?
Hi! Thanks for the comment and apologies for the late reply!
Bois D'harmonie tailpieces are amazing so I'm sure you're enjoying the change a lot!
I have actually tried the differences between them but I didn't really reach to any fundamental conclusions to be honest...Or actually, to the same conclusion as always, for some tailpieces ones worked better while for some others, the other ones did. If I'm not mistaken for the Bois I preferred the composite, but I remember that for example a "quite bad" tailpiece I had improved a lot with the titanium ones (mainly power and corposity of the sound).
Where can I find the tailpieces? Because I've been looking online and can't find them. I've seen some similar but for very sketchy prices.
Hi! Thanks for your comment and apologies for the late response!
I now realise that I forgot to put the links in the description, so here are some:
- Akusticus:
www.petzkolophonium.com/shop/lng/en/tools/planes/replacement-blades/akusticus-tailpiece-cello-with-finetuner.html?language=en
www.thomann.de/gb/weidler_akusticus_tailpiece_cello_4_4.htm
- Bogaro Clemente (directly from their website): bcbows.com/en/musical-instruments-accessories/cello/tailpieces.html
EgoVio: They are a bit hard to find, but I saw some places on google, you should check availability.
Bois d'harmonie (directly from their website):
www.boisdharmonie.net/en/accessories/tailpiece
Aside from the Akusticus, then the rest should be betweem €200 and €300 for musicians.
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Hello. I wonder if a cheep or expensive tailpiece matters? I have a tailpiece but I can't determine if it's a cheep or expensive one, how can you tell?
Whether a tailpiece is cheap or expensive can make a difference in terms of its quality and durability. Generally, more expensive tailpieces are made with higher quality materials and craftsmanship, which can lead to better sound and performance. However, that doesn't necessarily mean that a cheap tailpiece can't work well or sound good, as for example the akusticus tailpiece works excellent on a lot of instruments.
One way to determine if your tailpiece is cheap or expensive is to look at the materials it's made of. Tailpieces made of high-quality materials like ebony, rosewood, boxwood, etc. tend to be more expensive than those made of plastic or other similar materials. But there are also some relatively cheap wooden tailpieces with lower craftsmanship, so that's another important thing to look at. The quality of the fine tuners can be very important too. Additionally, you can look for any brand markings or engravings on the tailpiece, as more expensive tailpieces tend to be branded and marketed as high-end products.
Keep in mind that an expensive tailpiece can range on the prices of €200 - €400
Regardless of whether your tailpiece is cheap or expensive, it's important to make sure it fits properly on your instrument. It's always good to try a few, as maybe a cheap one is the perfect fit for your instrument.