TESLA MODEL Y or Ford MUSTANG MACH-E. The ultimate electric family SUV shoot-out! | Electrifying
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Family-sized electric cars are (quite literally) big business at the moment. Tesla’s Model Y is on course to be the world’s most popular car while Ford’s Mustang Mach-E has proved so enticing that customers are facing huge waiting lists - despite a recent and significant price increase.
But which should you choose? Should you follow the crowd and join the millions of car buyers around the world who have opted for the Tesla Model Y. The Model 3’s bigger sibling, it combines all the usual Tesla features (good and bad) with what is still the best recharging network available. Or do you opt for the Mustang Mach-E? With a similar range, a higher quality feel and similar levels of practicality, is the Ford a better package?
Join Ginny and Tom as they compare the two and deliver their verdicts. Which would you choose? Let us know in the comments below.
#tesla #teslamodely #mustangmache
Tesla Model Y Long Range AWD
£57,990 (60,090 as tested - £2,100 wheels)
434bhp, 364 lb ft of torque
All wheel drive, 1-spd
5.0 seconds 0-62mph, 135mph top speed
75.0kWh battery (useable), 331 miles range WLTP
250kw DC, 11kw AC, 30 min fast DC, 74min 50kW
12hr on home wallbox
Weight: 2,054kg
Boot: 854-litres (2,158)
Frunk: 117-litres
10-80% in 30 mins for 185 miles
Ford Mustang Mach-E standard range AWD
£60,080 (£60,880 as tested - £800 paint)
266bhp, 428 lb ft of torque
All wheel drive, 1-spd
6.3 seconds 0-62mph, 112mph top speed
68.0kWh battery (useable), 249 miles range WLTP
109kw DC, 11kw AC, 40 min fast DC, 64min 50kW
11hrs on home wallbox
Weight: 2,138kg
Boot: 322-litres (1,420)
Frunk: 100-litres
10-80% in 40 mins for 140 miles
I chose the Mach-E because I wanted all of these things, none of which the Model Y has: Rear cross-traffic alerts, radar-based ADAS, dedicated buttons on the steering wheel, quiet cabin, comfortable ride quality, high build quality, wireless Android Auto/Apple CarPlay, SiriusXM radio, a guage cluster, and a 360 top down camera (which automatically comes up in reverse and when getting close to anything at low speeds in the front)
So you have a completely pointless priority list, compared to performance, range, safety and carrying capacity, value for money, integrated music streaming, brilliant phone integration (that makes carplay pointless). A fool and their money..........
@@colinpalmer9070 I wouldn't say brilliant phone integration. My daughters 2014 bmw i3 is better with proper iPod integration over bluetooth (you can select and play and shuffle all music on the car screen)
@@colinpalmer9070 anyone who drives a Tesla is a fool
@@jsouto77 an Ipod you say, how quaint. I just stream the worlds music on Spotify directly on the touchscreen
@@thelifeofbatteries2603 It is as it was called back then. However it still integrates well with the iPhone of today. I dont use Spotify and and dont stream since all my music is stored in my iPhone where it is not affected from poor phone signal and has no lag on selections. I have tried the new apple music app in my tesla but it is then again streaming from the internet only and certain tracks are greyed out (I dont get this issue from apple music web player) hence that is poor integration plus the music is not as clear/crisp/rich as streaming via btooth.
Interesting review, my thoughts after 4 days with my model y:
-Looks are subjective
-If you don't like the hub caps on the gemini.. Take them off...
-MCU of the tesla is miles apart. Ps5 performance and way better UI and UX
- build quality is fine (just got mine 4 days) and just sat in a mustang mach e today whilst the owner parked next to mine
- latest model y suspension is way softer for those just delivered (one I was fearful of)
- new model y comes with a parcel shelf in the boot for better privacy
They didn't really mention:
- pano roof makes it so airy
- turning circle of the Y is rather large
- sentry mode on the Y
- regular updates to software on teslas
- tesla phone app is pretty astounding
- as a dog owner, dog mode is awesome
- back seat space is huge on the y esp for leg room
Yep, it seems clear that 99.9% of the people who care about the little build quality issues that happen on some Teslas are car reviewers. And you have not tried camper mode yet, I assume, and while you can readily put the rear seats down and sleep in the back of the Y, the four inch drop off in the Mach-e would make that extremely challenging.
Yeah, was watching my neighbor with a Mach E installing a Dash cam, "lot of crazy drivers out there". Didn't have the heart to tell him about Tesla's capabilities. Some really well educated people just don't do diligence.
Oh and to add.... Pretty much the safest production car on the road atm.... VERY underestimated fact
@@tribalypredisposed FWIW the rear shelf in the Mach E is height adjustable, so in the higher position it's rather flush with the seats when folded. The orientation shown in the video was to maximize storage space but causes a lip between cargo floor and seats
@@youraveragebreakfastcereal5285 good to know, but does it have a camp mode like Tesla cars? I recently drove a Model 3 to Atlanta and spent a week sleeping in the back and using my friend's shower, kept quite comfortable but I did have to recharge more often.
The model 3 was my first EV, and when my wife and I decided to buy another EV we naturally favored the model y. But after test driving the Mach E we chose the Mach E. Now with 31,000 miles on the Mach E we remain very happy with our decision. Both our EV’s have been trouble free and we are sure every future car will be an EV.
Love love love the Mach-E
@@nickmartin8495 we now have 37000 miles on our Mach E. I still love it as much as I did on day one.
@@irfanhusein1445 such an amazing vehicle, and the smug feeling of knowing i didn’t get a Tesla is priceless
@@nickmartin8495 😂😂
When you're on the Road and you need a charge which costs more to charge? The Main reason for me buying an electric car is the charging infrastructure developed by the manufacturer. All the rest of the car companies leave you to the wolves! Very poorly maintained slow charging with very high charging prices! That is the Bottom Line!
The Model Y they've got would appear to be one of the early UK ones - I tried a similar age demo back in February. I picked up my new one at the start of September - it does seem to be a more refined car and I can't fault build quality and ride is not an issue. After a 1,000 miles of ownership I would highly recommend it.
HI Carwyn. It was a late Shanghai-built demonstrator and had a handful of miles on. From experience, the quality is variable depending on which batch you get.
Had my Model Y Long Range for about 2 weeks now. I can honestly say it’s the best car I’ve ever owned by a Country mile.
It would be if you've never owned a Mach-E 😉
The best car you've owned? -- quite possible, still can't understand why would anybody buy that fishface model Why 😅
The design is „ok“ - and if you don‘t like to see it from the outside just get behind the steering wheel 😅
@@USGrant21st I couldn’t care less about the design on the outside, the reality is it’s extremely practical, it’s plenty fast enough (4.8sec to 60mph) I get 330 miles on a full charge, it’s very comfortable inside, there are no panel gap or fit and build quality issues whatsoever. I’m not in the least surprised the Model Y will be the best selling car in the world in 2023.
So you've owned a Tesla for 2 weeks and it hasn't fallen apart..Surprising..
Purchased Tesla MYP few months ago over others after extensive test drives - no regrets
I ordered a blue Model Y with white interior in may and recieved it two weeks ago, it is amazing.
I’ll take the Mach E. I prefer cars that don’t catch fire in my garage
Even ford catch fire
@@tesla_models not yet
There is a big difference between that earlier model Y and current ones. I received mine 3 weeks ago and was expecting some quality issues, there weren't any! And the ride is excellent. I am currently in Italy having just driven here in the Y. It had less than 200 miles on the clock when I set off.. It will have 2000 when I return. Big big big win is charging network. I did look at all the other cars on market, but they really don't come close £ 4 £
“There werent many” there werent suppose to be ANY 😂 teslas are cheap chinese built plastic pos. Iphones are built better in china
@@gurp1116we had no issues with ours. At least as good as a VW.
it’s a late stage shanghai model they said
Love my 2021 Y Performance with 30,500 miles so far! Traded my great sounding Gt 350 for it. No regrets.
I would not choose either, but in a forced choice the Ford for me. I could not live with the bloated ugly Tesla. I do not like too many controls on the touch screen.
I have instead bought an EV6, which in my obviously biased opinion knocks the socks off both the Ford and the Tesla. 300 mile range, head up display, ventilated seats, sub 5 secs to 60, much faster charging, V2L, 20 inch wheels, sun roof etc. I paid £52K.However now a seriously long delivery time.
Yes I did test drive a model 3, but not the Mach E.
Space with the rear seats down matters to me (surfboard and other stuff on drive holidays). EV6 seems great except it is not really a utility vehicle.
I picked up my Model Y from Birmingham last week. The panel alignments and paintwork are immaculate and there are no marks or rattles inside. The ride's a bit firm, but I probably wouldn't have noticed it if the reviews hadn't been beefing about it for the past year. There's a bit of a rumble at speed, but I've not found it bothersome so far. The one-pedal driving's a revelation and much better than having to brake, find a suitable gear, etc.
The only thing I don't like at the moment is that the car occasionally and randomly gets the idea it's being driven off the side of the road and sounds a loud, panicky alarm. This is definitely annoying and there doesn't seem to be any way to turn the feature off. 😠
@@wysiwyg1 Hi. Thanks for the advice. "Emergency Lane Departure Avoidance" is automatically enabled for each drive, but the plain "Lane Departure Avoidance" has an Off setting which seems to stick. I'll try different settings and combinations of the two over the next few days and see if the alarm happens again. I must admit I'd prefer to have my life saved if I do start to wander off the side of the road, but having the car suddenly panic when it's nowhere near the edge isn't conducive to relaxed driving!
@@nigelgarvey2046 Problem is, 'merica doesn't have windy roads like this blessed Isle. And so with most of the automagical stuff being 'trained' over there and not her, it's going to go wobbly once in a windy whilse. My 2018 Nissan Leaf Propilot did the same, no doubt Japan has straighter roads too.
You got lucky then ot used to drive a very poor quality ICE all the Teslas I walk past are terrible quality.
Look at the manual … that’s a driver warning and can be turned off.
With the new model Y suspension, there’s no reason not to wait in line and pay more!
Model Y because in a few years it will still be up to date thanks to the OTA Updates
You do know the Mach E also have OTA updates as well? There is no free hardware update as your Tesla creeping through every turn though…
@@NayanBiz I know this, but I dont think its much more then essentials. In Teslas you get new games, new features, new streaming platforms, better UI, things like blind spot cameras pop up when you use your blinker and so on. A Model 3 from 2017 is just as fresh as a 2022 model and I doubt it will be the same with the Mach E.
@@toughkix6910 exactly, OTA software updates on the Tesla > Ford
And yes Tesla has to get the build quality up there are little items that tesla owners will 16:33 currently live with.
As a mach e owner and a model s owner, the mach e is so much better. Ford always has great build quality. Each car has is positives and negatives.
I'm in the US and had a few build issues on my 22 MYP but they were fixed very easily and quickly once they got the part that was needed. The car has been super reliable and ZERO out of pocket cost and maintenance on the first 10k miles of ownership "knock on wood". Even on 21" rims ride seems suitable for a performance car. My 2022 cars feels a lot more premium and quiet compared to 20-21 models I test drove. I had a 2015 MB c300 with air suspension and the Y seems marginally stiffer. Mach E looks like a great car. For me it's all about the charging network and software advantage Tesla has. As more EVs are on the market the charging network will be more crucial and busy on road trips, especially on holidays weekends. Tesla is doing a better job at keeping up, and you always have the option to use 3rd party chargers. The software, even without carplay, is a lot more refine imo.
I chose the Mustang Mach-E, and am very happy with it.
They're both great cars, but did you test drive a Tesla? It really is a better vehicle.
@@richardthomas6875 for 30k$ (Cad) more? Def not.
I test drove both and much happier with Mach E. It also looks a lot better- which is important to most people (but is subjective), despite being dismissed by others. Their frustration over the naming is irrelevant however....
@@deanbarratt8696 As a m3 long range range owner owner, I totally agree with you about the looks. As for the charging, performance, practicality, economy and over the air updates the Tesla wins hands down!
Ford did a great job compared to vw meb architecture vechiles ( id 3 id4 ) but compared to mach e polestar and tesla are way ahead
But this mach e far better than any vw group vechiles and the fat explorer ev that they revealed in europe
What the heck happened to the price of the mach e. I got a extended range AWD Mach e with the red paint for 58250 a couple of months ago. I did choose it over the model y because I was able to the the extended range for the same price but now with the price increase you really do have to go with the model y
@Bowie It has more real world range than the model y.
You neglected to cover anything about what the car does electronically. The subject of over the air updates to keep the cars electronics as fresh as a brand new car. The fact that the car monitors all its own systems and Converses with the super computer and it decides whether or not to send you a message about something starting to go bad that you may have to bring it in to get fixed. Different modes you can set the electronics in such as your camping mode, preheat for winter time before you go to your car. And on and on and on.
Having now owned Tesla Model 3 and Mach-E for the past year, we have received a small handful of Over the Air software updates on the Mach-E over the past year, but loads more on the Tesla. (In fact, we get more OTA Updates each month from Tesla than Ford has sent us all year!). And the updates from Tesla have noticeably improved the driving experience. Can’t say the same from Ford. Even the upcoming ‘recall’ on the Tesla windows will be solved with a software update! That has to be a game-changer for the car manufacturers.
I have a Tesla and love it no regrets. We do high mileage regularly ,driving from the uk to Europe. And it was the supercharges that swung it for us .
Yes
Model Y - a computer on wheels built by a real technology company that can keep it up to date with over the air software updates therefore keeping it performing to very high standards and also provide new features, eg, dog mode, camp mode, Joe mode. Better performance, much more space, cheaper... the list goes on... and on... and on
Computers don't have wheels. And there's stuff a car company in the business over 100 plus years knows more than a tech company. It works both ways.
Phantom braking,wipers only work when they feel like it ,self parking is totally useless, taken parking sensors away in favour of Tesla vision that doesn't work ,rear lights changed twice due to water ingress , constant updates whish are causing more problems than they solve,build quality is still way behind everyone else , The ride/noise in the y is dreadful, but at least the seats fart ,, the y is a step backwards from the model s I bought in 2016
Tesla is plastic on wheels
Be careful guys, there’s severe copium in the replies 😂
@@benjaminsmith2287 What "stuff" are you referring to? The main innovations that traditional car companies have refined and perfected over the years and have used as a moat to prevent new entrants relate to ICE technology, manufacturing and supply chain. ICE doesn't matter for EVs, manufacturing and supply chain for EV parts again are different and Tesla is obviously improving every quarter on those fronts too. Tesla's net profits per car is almost 9x Toyota's - think about that and why that could be and you'll understand how fish out of water the traditional car companies are in this new game. In EV land, what does matter a lot is batteries and the traditional car companies are the ones playing catch up - 140 miles in 40mins charge time vs 185 miles in 30mins. Other metrics are important too, but there isn't a meaningful metric when it comes to batteries that Tesla isn't way better at. The car companies will muddle through because the 50 year old+ demographic will prefer what they're used to. But that market is quite literally dying every day.
Hi guys, good video but a few things you didn't talk about in this comparison :
1. Over the air updates - with Tesla you have full OTA updates - does the Mustang have the same? I currently drive an MG ZSEV which I love, but if the is an update to do, I have to drive a 200 kms round trip to go back to the MG dealer.
2. Heat pumps - important to have if you want to drive in a warm cabin. Tesla has one, does the Ford ?
3; Overall driving efficiency - I suspect that on any comparable journey the Tesla will use less electrons than the Ford, due to it's mechanical elegant engineering.
So, which one will deliver cost effective transport? The Tesla Model Y, imho.
Also the voice recognition in the ford is complete trash, much less warranty and less options included for the price and efficiency is worse. Overall more expensive! Just makes no sense.
Had both.. the Mach E is a hundred times better the the “Why”
@@nickmartin8495 Really? I had the Mach E when it first launched, it is so inefficient and the OS is dreadful. It doesn't have nearly as much functions as the Tesla MY too.
@@NickLiang I hate the Tesla. I had to crane my neck to look at the screen while driving to look at the speedometer. Silly design. I hated not having Apple CarPlay on the Tesla. and I hate e. musk even more than all the bad workmanship I experienced on the Tesla
@@nickmartin8495 silly take from the perspective of a pure hater with no love in his life 😢
Being an American and being 65 years old I have watched the mustang throughout its entire life. And written in many. Ford has always had a problem with not so great looking interior and seats that just don't look good all throughout history. Compared to GM and Camaro the interior and the seats in their products far outshined ford. I myself drive a Ford F-150 and it has big comfortable seats unlike what the mustang ever had. But the main reason I don't care for the new electric mustang is that it has four doors! They should have took the pony off of it and called it something else. Sports cars do not have four doors. The model 3 has never been labeled a sports car or the model y. And there's always a lingering question of the equipment under the hood which Sandy Monroe has always pointed out more Tesla's cooling systems and such are way less complicated and have a smaller volume, and Ford's high performance mustang EV right out of the gates had problems with its shutting down into low power mode after 5 seconds of high performance, and for strange reasons Ford has never said anything else about this. They leave the public wondering if forever fixed that problem and it can do high performance as long as the owner wants it to, or if it is still a nagging problem that they can't figure out how to fix. Tesla is open with everything as far as what is going on with its products. But legacy auto, is known to deceive, cover up, and flat out lie about their products systems and specs. I will trust and honest company everyday before I will trust a deceitful line company who is always tried everything they could to make their cars to where you have to bring them in to be worked on because everything is so complicated and hard to get to on purpose. I bought my Ford pickup used and it has been good which Ford pickups have always been good but my next vehicle will be Electric with my Ford finally wears out. Right now I have $248,000 MI and still running good so I'm sure it will be two or three years before I need something even though my pickup is a 2003 model. Nothing against sports gasoline reliability, but electric is the future, simpler, or reliable, cleaner, and more powerful. 🇺🇲🇺🇲
I think Torino or Falcon would have been good. (Falcon would irritate the Australians though)
@@netgnostic1627 Nah - it’d be good to see it revived.
I also think using the mustang moniker seems wrong (and being 🇬🇧 I have no axe to grind)
Just the FORD EV, would have done .
Think of it as a Mach E. The Mustang stuff is just fluff.
Let's not forget the near free over the air updates improving the Model Y, such as the recent software update to improve safety of window closing onto objects. These kinds of things are simply not possible with other manufacturers. Traditional OEM vehicles are as good as it will ever be when you buy them whereas Tesla vehicles are, at least from a software standpoint, only going to get better.
Other manufacturers tend to launch their cars without these faults in the first place …
I’d rather have an EV6🤔
EV6 is tiny in the back with a tiny boot. Sat my children in the back and they said no way.
Why not compare the Mach E extended battery with the Y long range? seems to be more of a real comparison
The wheels on the base model are OK, you were touching the aero covers.
I just bought the 2024 rwd long range model Y. With the full incentives,down-payment of 6k, final cost of financing is 39k. 39k for a Tesla Model y rwd long range 2024 is a steal!!!!! No mark ups, just 6 year 1.99% apr. That's a better deal then most EV around that price range..
Hands down Model Y for me (good thing, since that's what I purchased). The Mach E looks nice, but I personally like the look of the Model Y interior and exterior more. Important tech specs (range, speed, and cargo) are better on the Model Y and Tesla safety, software, and Supercharger network are far too good to ignore.
I only wish my Mach-E had sentry mode.
I like them both. But, Model Y is the better choice for sure.
Why?
Bigger trunk, bigger boot, better infotainment, better screen in the middle, better overall design, 1600kg tow capacity, bigger and more helpful community, more premium, cheaper, more power efficienct, better app support with better remote control, more accessories (third-party too) and you will probably lose less money in the long term.
Go for the Model Y folks!
I wouldn't choose the Y in a million years. Owning a car isn't just about the numbers, it's about loving the space you are in and what you look at everyday and the Y is ugly. the Mustang is gorgeous and it's a lovely place to be and I'd always pick that one
For these prices it makes sense to go with model y. However in Canada there is 7k higher price tag on the Tesla, making the mache e more appealable. Plus u can get similar equipment on lower trims of the mache e which makes the price 10-15k difference...
Yeah we bought a mach-e because of the higher model y price plus because of the price tag there's no rebate while the mach e here in Quebec has 13k (federal + provincial ) in rebate... We also got the premium package and all wheel drive the only few downsides are "self driving" and the tesla super charger network. However let's be real self driving is not anywhere close to being ready for public release and even if you bought it in the winter its useless : no road markings lmao. And the tesla super charger network sure its good but public chargers are expending fast and at the end of the day it's not a deal braker for the few road trip you will make in a year anyways.
@@charlolel How's the charging network situation in Canada? I'm about to permanently move to Toronto and am seriously considering buying a Mach-E but anyone I know there drives gas cars and I haven't really heard much about EVs being a thing in Canada/GTA. At this point, the charging network and speed is my primary concern also because I won't be a homeowner with his own garage and wall plug any time soon and will have to solely rely on public charging stations, you get the picture...
Tesla measures cargo space all the way too the roof while most other brands measure to the parcel shelf. Do you really look at the massive difference in numbers between these two cars and think it makes sense? You don't need a lot of common sense to realize that the Model Y boot is not 2,5x larger than the Mach-E boot...
BBT!
The Banana Box Test doesn't lie.
Tesla for the win!
@Bowie No it isn't, just look up US spec for the Mach-E that uses the same measurement standard as the Model Y. The difference in cargo space (boot and total) is way smaller than this review suggests. The consumer deserves better information.
@@rogerstarkey5390 Björns bananbox test (8 for Mach-E, 9 for Model Y) definitely doesn't suggest a 2,5x difference in boot space...
Mach-E boot measured to the roof is 29.7 cubic feet (841 L) vs 30.2 (854 L) for the Model Y.
I’d be picking a Kia/Hyundai/genesis personally.
I test drove the Mustang before I bought my Tesla. I thought it was wallowy as hell and full of dust collecting cubby holes. No way on earth did it feel like a £50k car. Not balanced at all.
I know you did mention it briefly it but of course you get the full Tesla SC network. Makes a huge difference, a couple weeks ago i was out up the A1, theres a MSA there with maybe 16 Tesla SC's but just 2 Gridserve chargers (running at 50kW as well !) and they were both occupied (I was there twice over the weekend). I am also shocked at the high price of the Mustang. I was expecting it to be £45k or so. Who on earth would go for 80 miles less range no SC network less room more money.
Yes. That charger network makes all the difference. Too many reviewers make the mistake of overlooking that. It’s importance can’t be overstated.
Plus the OTA updates. In a year the Model Y will have moved on the fore won’t have.
There is a world of difference between the two and you did a pretty good job pointing them out. I own a Model Y Long Range and my build quality from Austin TX was flawless. I will say that the Mach E at certain times is a better looking vehicle than the Y but then there are times I look at my Y and think it is freaking awesome. I've tinted out the front windows and ditched the aero covers and got after market ones that look similar to the uber turbine caps. The Mach E is still a very nice looking EV but for the price you can get a Y with more interior space, a bigger frunk and more range and cheaper than the Mach E .....plus you don't have to pay the dealer mark up. Also, the Y has a better infotainment than the Mach E....With access to a full browser, Netflix, Hulu, Disney +, RUclips and more. Plus it has games and a way better over the air update support system.
And these long lead times for charging at home etc. they're talking about must be 0% to 100% because on a typical night simply recharging what I've used in my day we're talking about a 3 to 5 hours charge while I sleep. And from about 20 or 30% to 80% at a V3 (250kw) super charger takes me less than 30 minutes...but only need to use those when I take the occasional road trip
I get what he said about being able to just hit a button when you need something. In my gas car there are buttons there I've never used. They just collect dust. In my Y this isn't an issue. Even though it has just two buttons per se, you can accomplish what you need by hitting one of those buttons and using voice commands. SO I don't miss the buttons at all.
We'll leave the charging network out of this for now since Tesla may be opening up to everyone soon.
I replaced a much loved X5 Msport with a MY LR (acceleration boost 511HP 0-60 in 4.2s) … I utterly love my Tesla … its way better than any other car up to £100K
Saying the build quality doesn't matter, and that "i wont go around with a measuring tape", is honestly disappointing, that is a HUGE deal in my opinion.
Having driven both cars but commenting before I watch the video. my choice is the Mustang Mach E simply because I really enjoyed driving it and it looks far superior to the boring Tesla. let's see if the video changes my mind.
The minute Tesla introduce air suspension on the Y, I’m in !!
They've got German suspension now.
me too
Might be with Tesla that works, but had an EQE for a week with air suspension and have to say that the mechanical adaptive dampers from ZF Sachs used at the moment by Mercedes AMG, Maserati and of course on my EV6 AWD Kia are quite equal on the same heavy road. Teslas are remarkable less comfortable and same the Mach-e I could also test. Comparing objectively from making quality, charge performance, handling on a track and mountain roads, noise, recuperation, consumption, warranty of 7 years, 800 Volts-System such as Rimac-Bugatti and Porsche Taycan. Do not care if 3 or 5 seconds to 100 km/h in a straight line but like curvy roads and pricise steering. Only the Kia was fine-tuned by Albert Biermann who headed BMW M Sports, which stand for the ultimate driving machines never matched by Ford itself.
@@rogerstarkey5390 There's conflicting rumours about whether the Berlin built Model Y has softer suspension. Apparently the coils are the same. I wish Tesla would just come out and say something official because the ride comfort is the thing that probably puts most buyers off. It certainly is me and I'm so keen to know if the suspension really is better.
Why ? Bent steel is just as comfortable as compressed air.
I prefer the Mach-E premium over the Y. The Y just seems like a cheap low budget car on the inside compared to the Mach-E. The Y's frunk hood feels so cheap and you have to be very careful shutting it or it can be damaged. Getting out of the Y's drivers seat is also harder because the distance from the seat edge to the car edge is so large. I'm shorter so have to pivot almost 90 degrees so my knee is out enough for my foot to touch the ground which is one of the biggest reasons I prefer the Mach-E. The Mach-E is quieter on the road and freeway as well. The Y had a lot of noise in my left ear (wind, road, and inverter) when on the freeway. The Mach-E also seems to ride better.
I do like the look of the Mace-E but unfortunately it's a pile of junk inside. Tesla's engineering is second to none.ruclips.net/video/C1dQtlrI7uU/видео.html
Your face
And serious people might just check out the "Moose Test" for both cars. Oh, and let's look under the hood.
Surprised the UK MachE is so expensive! That's one of the few advantages the MachE has over Tesla in the states... only other things might be 360o birds-eye top down camera view for parking (Tesla has lots of autopilot driving cameras, but not for parking), and AM radio & Sirius XM (Tesla has FM, Slacker,Spotify,TuneIn,Tidal?, and.. Car-aoke :) .)
Ford also has Android Auto and Apple Carplay, if you prefer those..
Everything else, besides if you like some physical buttons, the Tesla should do better.
Especially, the infotainment UI , maps/nav and app... MUCH better. I am still trying to help my parents understand all the features and complicated menus and settings and overlapping windows on their MachE Ford Sync UI...
too complicated, too many settings, voice control is slow, map isn't very detailed, ?no satellite view option ($10/mo for Tesla)... it's just slower and harder and more confusing to work with.
Tesla has a MUCH sleeker and faster UI and voice controls, bigger more detailed always-on map, always-visible (and customizable) apptray icons to instantly launch preferred music/controls, etc.. just works much better and more intuitively. They could do better labelling (and having more) buttons, though...
Tesla standard AutoPilot seems significantly better and more consistently usable everywhere, as well... Ford BlueCruise does decently well, but tends to "give up" at random spots (turn is bit too sharp, road lines confusing, maybe unmapped area... and just gives up w/ no audible warning!)
Both overpriced for what they are in my opinion. Build quality of Teslas is shocking. Plenty of talk about battery failures and electronic issues as the cars fall out of warranty. When we will get a good value reliable electric vehicle?
Model Y
Plus I have one, and drive it almost 220miles a day for my job, often on country roads (I’m a taxi driver around Stansted)
But I will say, the adaptive lights are sh1t (never dip in time, I’m always getting flashed about it)) & the auto windscreen wipers have a mind of their pwn.
But owned it since 1/7/22 (come from a Kia eniro) have done 11,000 miles already & love it
Those are aero wheel covers to get better range. They come off and the wheels underneath are pretty nice.
Yeah I only learned of this a day or so ago. I'll expecting my Model Y in a couple of months and because I didn't want to pay £2000 for the 21" wheels went "standard".
I thought they were steel wheels with plastic covers to be honest.
Rather chuffed to discover that there's a nice set of alloys beneath.
In the US, the LR Model Y, and AWD Extended range Mach-e are within $500 of each other.
.Here is something in Ford's favor...The Steering Wheel doesn't come off in your hands like the Teslas does...Forgot a bolt..Typical bad build quality in tesla
Excellent comparison video. I took delivery of my Y LR at Q2 end. It is giving us everything I had hoped. However, living in London with its neglected roads, you won't need county lanes to experience the stiffness - I never thought I would be grateful for a 20mph limit.
Now then, take her on the mainland of Europe and wow; what a smooth drive on their excellent first world roads; even the country lanes are billiard table smooth. The downside side of that is the locals drive like they are on a one way race track. Fortunately, their hedge edges are also well maintained so no clear coat damage.
As already mentioned, the superb charging network combined with the Y's range provides great peace mind. Finally, is she an inflated ugly M3? Noooo! How very dare you! She looked so different from different angles and like my dear girl, all of them are lovely. P.S."Lizzie" is red with white and naked 19" Gemini's so no plastic to tap.
I like the format of the review. Could you please also give us some comparison of the real life consumption and the smartphone app functionality for the two? Thanks!
Pretty much everything re software (both app and in-car), efficiency and range, and usually power, is *significantly* better on Teslas than ANY one else. (Some exceptions- Rivians and Taycan are faster, Taycan and recent Koreans can charge faster...)
Tesla app has a lot more features and car controls than the more generic FordPass app, which has decent controls.
The Tesla app and software are constantly updated... around every 3wks. Significant features and tweaks get added every few months (recently added tire pressures to app, remote Sentry camera viewing etc)
Others are... a couple times a year.
I am for model Y
Mach E would be my choice.
Please do a review comparing the Kia EV6 (gt?) , The Jaguar I-pace and the Ford Mustang Mach-e (gt?) , they're all very closely matched, have some surprising different features but all are very close to eachother,with he jaguar being so far down the path but still looking so new it would be a really interesting comparison, especially against the GT versions.
You can really hear that Tesla Model Y has a noisier cabin from the driving segment.
I love the look of the Mach-E better. But in the US the Ford dealerships add thousands of dollars in mark-ups if you don’t special order one. The ease or ordering and pick up for the Tesal is much better as far as that goes. The Mach-E does have some features that I prefer over the Model Y though. It’s a tough call.
Tesla!
My wife has the Mach-E long range rear-wheel drive and I have the Tesla Model 3 Long Range, both since last September. We love both cars, for very different reasons. But what we can’t get away from (at least in the States) is the difference in fast chargers when we are on the road. Hands down, Tesla wins! And it’s not even close. We took the Ford last weekend 250 miles out and it was a disaster! When we got to our destination there were no fast chargers available. Spent the entire afternoon going from plug to plug - really impacted our weekend. We’ve driven the Tesla over 700 miles to another state and had nothing but a great experience! Lots of supercharging stations everywhere we went, and the car includes them when mapping out our ride. As much as we would rather take the Mach-E on long trips, the lack of chargers makes that totally impractical. Something to consider, at least in the US. How does that compare with England and Europe?
I totally understand the range concerned. Add long as I stay near home the Ford is great. The Tesla fast charging is really nice, but my normal long drive requires a different path (about 50 miles longer) and an extra hour in the Tesla or two hours in the Ford. Those are the joys of living in the Southwest with hours between population centers.
Rob T, if you don’t mind me asking, why would you much “rather take the Mach-E on long trips”? Is it because it drives nicer that the Model Y or for some other reason. I’m trying to decide between both cars.
It should be the reverse lol
Build quality not a big enough deal?
Not in my world. Having heard from many Tesla owners, the subpar build quality is very common.
That said, when it comes to Mach-E, it is GT Performce Edition or bust. It's the one I went for and VERY glad I did.
Good comparison, thank you. I have a feeling Tesla recently softened the undercarriage of the Y making the ride comfort better.
Definitely the Tesla and not a Ford. Finally after 54 years of driving fast and powerful cars I was absolutely surprised what the Hyundai Group is making actually and had to throw away any prior prejudices against Corean cars. This is the only serious ‚competition‘ to Tesla before BYD, Nio, HiPhi and many more will come sooner or later. But a Kia EV6, a Genesis GV60 or an iconic IONIQ 5 you can get now with well balanced features. Did you know that Porsche partners with Rimac-Bugatti and Hyundai Group and will be now separated from 100% owner Volkswagen which is at 53% owned by Porsche-Piëch family holding and had no luck with workers association and electric cars so far. A company anyhow not to trust after Diesel-Gate and killing a not so bad solution for mobility for all other serious players. Interesting isn‘t it?🤓😎
You always go with the restaurant with the longest line to get in. Model Y.
I think the build quality issues on Teslas are pretty much non existent in China made and Berlin made cars. Was surprised to see the poor alignment on that one as it looks like a China made car. I have a 2022 Model 3 from Beijing and I can’t find any misalignment anywhere.
Underneath the Model Y Aero wheel covers are the Gemini alloys which are pretty nice.
You can just take the plastic caps off of the Tesla and there are nice wheels underneath which you can buy hub cover/lugnut cover kits for
A Tesla is old hat now. People look at them and laugh. Ford is in! 💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥
Yep, pretty spot on imo. The Y is close to ideal for a EV SUV 😊
I have had my Model Y LR for a year and the touch screen is fantastic. For normal driving you hardly ever touch it. I can adjust wipers and lights using the left scroll wheel the left stalk. Voice commands for Nav and other stuff. Plus my wife and I use autopilot almost all the time since it keeps us from speeding you don't need to ever glance at the speedo if you set it properly. I do glance at the visualizations occasionally to confirm the car is seeing people and animals and bikes.
The voice control function on the Tesla works really well... and does most of the controls. I use that and don't take my hands off the wheel. The shut lines on my Tesla are brilliant.
Sorry but the model y wins hands down, especially as according to rumours Tesla have improved the ride quality on the 2022/23 cars.
Ze Germans tweaked it (I predicted they would 👍😉)
Absolutely! Rumours are it's a similar set up to the model y performance which is more compliant
I hate to say it but I cancelled my Tesla Y order after almost 9 months of waiting when I finally figured out that I would no longer support Musk's antics which speak volumes about his character. Consider the source and you realize that Tesla products oddly reflect him, "loose fit and finish". My IMO of course.
Love my Mach E and I don’t have to pay 2K/ year for my car insurance 😊
What happened to function and price? Would you choose your spouse on looks only?
when the Mach E was £41k 2WD it was good value but the model 3 was a similar price now the Mach E AWD is trying to compete with the model Y, no chance. Prices have all gone up but the Mach E is overpriced. The new model Y RWD will be interesting?
Looking back in 2023, you can get a 91kw battery mustang mach e with 373 miles of range for only 55k
I hear reviewers complaining about charging speeds, and I think about when I had my Chevy Volt struggling to put on 50 miles of range after 8 hours of charging 😂
Model Y all day. The new price buried the competition.
The suspension is only an issue on bad roads.
From your tests it seem like you got a lot of bad roads in UK.
Personally, I prefer less rim and more rubber. Looks better and rides much better.
BTW the plastic covers that they are hating on give you 5% added range than just the normal wheels on the E... thought I'd point that out yk AND which car would I have... the one with the highest safety rating ever the TESLA :)
I like the mach-e a lot and do agree it is slightly better looking. (although white is the worst color for both cars imo) However if i'm going to own a car its the Y all day. Better range/specs, more space and the biggest factor would be the charging network for me. Here in the states electrify america is utter trash and Tesla really puts all the competitors to shame in this regard. The fact that its cheaper too is just a bonus.
Love the EVs but seriously... 60k.... WE need a sub 20k real world.. useful range. Small EV... Get that right and the game changes forever... Come on Tesla .stop teasing and give us what we need
The MG4 says hold my steering wheel. Shipping now! £27k approx.
It boils down to function and efficiency. Body is designed for low coefficient. Functionally is impressive. Everything else looks like an ICE car with a motor.
The Hyundai Ioniq 6 and the Mercedes EQS have the lowest drag coefficient figures of all EVs as of now.
I just picked up 2023 mach E select I don’t need the extra range. I picked because it looks cool nothing like on the road. Model Y does nothing for me and their everywhere which to me doesn’t make special. Heads down Tesla software is way ahead. My other car 2018 Shelby GT 350. The exact opposite of the mach E. Both cars are good choices.
The price difference in the US is completely flipped than what it is in the UK. For $67,000 you can get a Ford Mustang Mach-E GT with AWD and Extended Range. For the same price you can only get a long-range Tesla (non-performance) AWD and no upgraded features like enhanced or autonomous driving, about equivalent specs to the $54,000 Mach-E Premium. I wonder if the import tax is higher on the Mexican built Fords vs the Chinese built Teslas?
Not anymore
Thanks for this. Love your reviews! One consideration for US viewers, though. Not sure if this is still the case, but when the MACH-E was released, I believe Ford was still eligible for the $7K EV instant rebate, and Tesla has exhausted it.
Both are eligible for the $7500 federal tax credit if you make less than $150k annually.
I own the 2021 Mach-E Route 1 and I think its way better looking than the Tesla. The Ford's build quality is also far superior over any of the Tesla models. The Sync software is awful though. Dunno why he says its responsive cause its not. Try switching to the various menus and its very laggy. Their software is light years behind the Teslas which is one of the major reason I've been thinking about switching over to Tesla.
Literally every other EV has better build quality than Teslas. The only advantage Teslas have right now is technology and the supercharger network.
The door hook on the Mach e is an immediate no go for me.
Maybe different in other markets, but uk prices for ford Mach e were always too high (explains why they’re not selling as well as they should) and now with a price increase they’re not even worth considering unfortunately. Model y is also a little too expensive here and Tesla took so long to sell it in uk, the market has moved on. Tesla is still worth considering however due to it being basically fully loaded by default, and access to their charging system but I can’t get my head around their refusal to add a heads up display. Their cars need it more than others and they’re just being pig headed about it now. I’d be happy with either but I wouldn’t pay the price ford is asking and to b honest, I’d pick something from Hyundai/Kia/genesis or q4 etron at these prices.
Lots of people super convinced the Y needs a heads up display, but it is likely to be the fastest selling car in the world next year, so maybe that is not really a problem? Would you feel compelled to make a significant change to a car that popular?
Agreed re HUD. I have a 2011 Leaf with a lovely super high up digital speedo, almost like a HUD. Have driven both the 3 and Y, and like the otherwise excellent Nissan Ariya with its centre console mounted touch button drive mode selectors, having to glance to the side takes your eyes off the road.
But all, along with the Polestar 2 etc are superb vehicles and destined to take over from the old players.
You’re right about buttons for most desired options , I know after market companies have made stick on blue tooth buttons that you can stick on the steering wheel , they seem to work quite well according to reviews
But seriously I would have the mach E as the Y looks like a jelly gone wrong
Unfortunately this video is no longer up to date. Tesla has slashed prices significantly especially for Model Y LR in January 2023. Also you're guys showing shanghai built one which is not as great as the one that is being built in Berlin. It's more soft and has better quality overall, even the paint is better.
I am with you Tom old school don’t like big screens 😂
DOn't forget that if you do not like to fiddle with the large screens and the menus, you can always use the extensive VOICE commands.
@@johnfruh
You just *know* the "But radio, people talking, why should I talk to the car" excuses are coming, don't you?
Nobody ever admits that when they use buttons, subconsciously or not they DO look away from the road.
@@rogerstarkey5390 Of course! It's the same as the people who were in love with blackberries complained that the iPhone had no physical buttons. Look where that got them.
It has nothing to do with schools. What works works and what doesn't doesn't. There are people with this fallacious belief that screens are some sort of new school when they are not. We've been using screens for a long time and now they are the trend in car consoles. That doesn't make them "new school" anymore than power windows are. They're just becoming ubiquitous. If you need to be focused and not distracted, studies show that screens aren't the answer. So do what works and not what is trendy. Get back to the purpose of driving.
If the Mach-E was £48k then maybe. As it stands, the Model Y is a no brainier.
Model Y will win hands over feet once your take it on a long journey with all the super charger networks. Way more reliable and could save you 10+ hours over a thousand mile road trip. How do I know you may ask? It has been tested on various RUclips channels.
Tesla has everything an electric car would need..Tesla's tech and data alone worth buying it !
Ford got the badge...
Price of the model Y in the US starts ar 65k. It just keeps going up.
They are doing that to slow demand. They can't make enough.
I could listen to Ginny read a phonebook 🥰
I also agree on the troubles with having everything on the screen and no buttons. But, if the manufacturer could make it more like an Android phone. There you can customize the layout, put the most used apps on the front screen, and the ones rarely used, but still important,, on the next screen. The you can have your aircon, one-pedal-driving, wipers and so always accessible on the main screen, always at hand with one touch.
I'm trying to convince myself to go Model Y over Mach-e but I don't like the big egg look. I know it will bother me if I choose it.
I wonder if that concern outweighs the charging anxiety of a non-Tesla, safety features, software, updates to the software, supercharging network, speed and overall reliability of a Tesla, but okay “the look bothers you” 😂
@@nipheleim871 I bought the Model Y the day of the 20% price drop which shows what was most important.
@@MandrakeCigars okay that makes sense