Hi mate, love your work. Just a tip: a 'predecessor' is an earlier model, a 'successor' is a later model. So the GH4 is the predecessor to the GH5, the GH6 is the successor to the GH5. Beyond that, as someone who only owns a Gh5 II and a G85, I think my next camera upgrade will be to the G9 II. Autofocus is the worst part of my cameras, and even saying 'shoot manual' isn't so easy when all the lenses are focus by wire. Pulling focus isn't as easy as it should be, especially for a system with bad autofocus. That's just my two cents anyway.
I had same setup as you... Gh5 II and G85. Today I ordered the G9 II (more for wildlife photography than for video), and we will see what happens during 2024, if there is a GH6 II/GH7.
guess who just ordered a G9ii because of this vid... :) Probably commented before, followed you for years. Video guy (gigs & personal fun shoots like the vinyl channel I'm commenting from). Was GH4 shooter, then now GH5 shooter. REALLY looking forward to the autofocus. Really looking forward to better IBIS etc. Soon, I will be getting the Kondor Blue Cage + Pro Blade SSD Handle (great edit workflow). M43 is not hoyte van hoytema on an IMAX rig, with Nolan overlooking. No. It's this amazing instant creativity, flexibility, & a price point that allows people like me to focus on entertaining conversation with a record store owner, not worrying if the specs are 5% better somewhere else, or oh no, is it rectilinear enough?! ... so thanks Caleb! keep on groovin your way ~mark
you know Caleb, I got a gh6, after gh5 since 2018, and the AF on the 6, frankly, is NOT all that bad. for one thing, I have not encountered pulsing on 6. It puts boxes around people, or faces and damn if it's not accurate, and sticky focus. Your observation the 6 is more "cinematic image" than the 5-s and G92, rings true. One more thing I've grown to LIKE about my 6. Hold on to your seats. STILLS. hey I shoot stills on bigger sensor cams usually. BUT, not just using the 100mp mode, but regular 25mp photos ??? I am sometimes blown away, by the color, dynamic range (without boost), and with decent glass this camera's ability to do quality stills. Some may argue, but to those I say, try the gh6. NO overheating with the 6, as you say a more pleasing image than the others , probably the best color of any Lumix camera out of the box....OK the sucker is heavy compared to my 5, and the stab, while very good, ain't an OM system. BUT, all things considered, and the STEAL price i got a new 6 for half retail price during a BH promotion), I gotta say I too love the 6, so far. Good light, the AF is sticky. No big deal. If fast moving or such, you can always go to manual focus. But tell me Caleb. HOW COME THE GH6 GETS NO LOVE ???? It's a masterpiece for video, approved by NETFLIX. No it ain't perfect. Neither is Sony Canon or Nikon or Fuji. each camera has quirks.there is no Perfect camera. But the 6 is way up there IMO. Would I have liked PDAF in the 6? sure. but all things considered, it's a f.......k of a good camera. nuff said
This is true, I have the A7IV, S5II S1 G9II etc but I still prefer the GH6 for both photos and videos, the colors and skin tones are crazy good, and with the 25-50mm the contrast and colors are even better than my GM or S Pro lenses.
Great video, I do have to say the GH6 is such a filmmaking tool that AF is still so far at the bottom of the list of importance for me. What I think SHOULD have been on the GH6 is the lower DR Boost range.
I love the G9 mk2, especially with the new firmware update on the HDMI to RAW output. Now I can use my Blackmagic design Video assist 12G for BRAW recordings. I use Davinci Resolve for my editing.
The only reason I can see that a videographer would pick the G9 ii is the auto focus. I have done 6 paid gigs with my GH6. I shoot live theatre, concerts, and dance shows. The auto focus worked well except when the lights were really low or when they dipped between scenes. After I started using the focus limiter, nothing seems to cause it to lose focus.
I really enjoy the GH6 as a work horse camera. I also have the GH5 and use them for multi cam interviews. I can tell the GH5 is more clinically sharper and I got used to likening that. Now I find myself trying to soften up the sharpening in it to match the GH6. I’m satisfied with the GH6 autofocus as a user without the G9ii. But I also enjoy the manual focus workflow knowing I got the shot I wanted. I also like the heft of GH6 for work. It feels reliable. I think if GH7 came out I would be more exited to find good deals on GH6 unless they improve the battery life.
nice! i agree that the image of the GH6 is the sweet spot. i haven't found the autofocus reliable so i don't use that feature at all but overall the GH6 is stellar.
You are one of the core LUMIX trusted advisers on the net and I appreciate your content. It does make me wonder what the GH7 will be. I think internal NDs and a low MP sensor would make sense (also replacing the GH5s).
Hi Caleb, do you think you can test the G9II with the Viltrox EF-M2ii instead of the metabones speedbooster, as it seemed to perform much better in terms of AF
I tested it and it was very confident, but slow (and noisy of course). But it almost looks like a slow focus pull. Before I updated the viltrox firmware it didn’t work at all, but then I updated it and it worked much better than I expected, but I can’t stress the word SLOW enough.
I’m so curious about the imagine from the gh6. I don’t have one, but the way people talk makes me what to try one especially with the current used prices. My g9ii had to get sent back cause there was a problem with it, but another one is on the way. I love the g9ii, as an original G9 die hard, it is 100% the camera I was hoping for when the gh6 dropped. I quit waiting and bought an a7iv cause I got a wicked deal on it. it’s not for me. Really happy to be back with Lumix and back on MFT.
@@nolannatashaTV IQ on the G9II is better than the GH6 due to the improved DRboost. But a lot of people prefer the colours of the GH6, for good reason. Ever since the S5II, Panasonic changed their colour output to lean more towards red and magenta.
I always use DR boost on my GH6, as the highlight roll-off is far superior with it. Plus, when paired with the Leica and Voigtlander lenses, there is not really much that can touch it from purely an image quality perspective.
Kind of interested to learn more about why you think the image is more cinematic out of camera on GH6 over the other S bodies and G9ii - I’m assuming you’re using VLOG on both GH6, S5ii and G9II (on S5ii and G9II i believe the new processing engine uses a slightly more aggressive sharpening algorithm on non VLOG profiles). The only other difference that I’m aware of is that GH6 uses an OLPF ? Is this very slight softening of the image easy to replicate with something like dehancer? I shoot S1, S1R, S5ii and interested in G9ii (I avoided the GH6 because I’m a one man band and need AF on a gimbal. I do however always have a soft spot for the GH6 image and color science. I’ve played with dehancer and shooting with a buddy using GH6 have been very happy to match S5iix footage with GH6. Interested to get your take. Great channel. Keep up the great work!
The GH6 and the G9II have the same details rendering in video, they don't use OLPF but they use a sort of digital OLPF called Intelligent Details Filtering. This one is pretty aggressive on these two cameras. It helps to prevent moiré and makes the image more cinematic by softening some very fine details like complex patterns, hairs or skin. This is sometimes annoying, by exemple when using soft lenses or super telephoto zoom lenses like the 100-400mm at the long end because some fine details like feathers on birds can look blurry especially when the birds are moving a bit, both the GH6 and G9II can have difficulty to stay 100% sharp, exactly like if the shutter speed was too low. Never had these issue on my GH5, G9 or S5 or S1. The GH5 and the G9 don't smooth fine details in video, so they can look sharper and more digital, they look much more like a burst of raw photos. I sometimes like this look as well, this is not bad like on smartphones at all. But in my opinion, the GH6 looks more cinematic than the G9II because of the color science, the best I have seen from a Panasonic camera.
My lineup is the GH5 (Camera 3) GH6 (B-ROLL Camera 2) and S5II (Camera 1) My only question is, I prefer shooting in 10-bit 420, and the only 10bit option on the GH5 is shooting in 422. Thats kinda one of the reasons I want a G9II for the autofocus and to match up with my GH6 and S5II... is this too marginal of a nitpick to want a g9II to replace my GH5? Thanks Caleb! Love your channel!
thanks for watching! i definitely feel like the image from the g9ii would look closer to the s5ii as far as image goes but would be a great replacement for the gh5
I really like the GH6 body style. I wish we'll have a G9ii like specs; beefier (false color, dual base gain, Phase Detect, cfx typeB, open gate) with a GH6 body. I'm saving for it.
Even if you're not messing around with the DR Boost on the G9ii, chances are you do use it. It's set as the default for anything 60fps and under, and I'm not aware that there's a way to turn it off. If they make a GH6mkii that's just the G9ii in in the GH6 body, that would be pretty epic.
I’ve said this a few times, but at the end of the day something had to be the last camera with DFD. Is it unfortunate that such an amazing camera like the GH6 is overshadowed by that fact? Yes but it’s still an amazing camera for filmmakers.
Still, it would've made more sense for the GH6, at release, to be the first Panasonic camera to have the phase detect feature considering that prior to the S5ii and G9ii, they went through all the trouble to create a GH5ii. It was a confusing series of events to be honest.
@@mistermastermind528 lose lose. Throw away years of work with the GH6 and start from scratch and make us wait even LONGER or release the camera we got.
We’ll probably never know, but when the GH6 was launched (22nd Feb 2022), you can’t tell me that there wasn’t at least a bench prototype of the S5mk 2 in existence at that point with PDAF (officially announced 4th Jan 2023). So they should have waited - instead Panasonic kinda shot themselves in the foot with the GH6. It also begs the question, what will they have to put inside a GH7 to make that an attractive proposition..?
They will have to put in 8k 60 10bit 442 internal uncropped and 8k 120 cropped 8bit. with external recording or prores raw and braw at 8k. if they can price it under 3000 usd it will sell as long as it have pdaf working in all modes.
Thanks for the video! The closeness in time between the launches of GH6 and G9mk2 creates tremendous displeasure among users of Lumix cameras, That new phase focus that the G9 II has is the great disruptor!, many will run for it! g9 II for this detail!!, would I like to have it on my GH6?, my answer is definitely yes!!!, and I say this even though I never use an automatic lens!!!, hahaha, friends will soon release a review of the monster GH6, let's breathe easy and enjoy a camera totally designed for video both in body and functions like the GH6, while we wait for the new evolution of this system!!!. I have read many comments that the GH9 II body feels cheap.
For an "EDC" format of camera the 'x' type G series bodies are king. Gx7, Gx8; Gx9. Reminds me of the older rangefinder film cameras. works well with the small prime lenses like the pancake 40mm. I would love to see a Gx10 as I am still using the Gx7 but maybe I'll eventually grab a Gx9 when the prices fall.
Even as an owner of the G9 II (more precisely: G9M2) I must say that there are distinct differences between the lineups. There is a reason why Pany has positioned the new camera as photo-centric model: by default it supports 4K / C4k. Want open gate? Well, then either add a SSD + a DC coupler + an AC adapter + electricity (coming from where?) or use the all new firmware 2.00, which requires … an external recorder. I do not have a problem with these restrictions since downsampling from 5.8K is fantastic (quite similar to Canon’s R6 MK II) but if I wanted to do anamorphic on as hi-res a frame as possible (in order to achieve great results in post), I would have to use the BMD VideoAssist. This said, the camera is super snappy but all the options make it a bit difficult to use (compared to the G9). The manual consists of 800+ pages… Switchting back and forth SSD and SD is a bit annoying. From a specification and high-quality output perspective it is splendid.
yeah the g9ii is definitely not perfect for video shooters and why i won't be rigging it up for any corporate shoots cuz i'm set on that with other options but for real, everyday use, this is stellar
DR Boost (Dual Gain Output) is always on for the G9II when at or below 60fps. A much more elegant implementation than the DR boost in the GH6. Extra Dynamic range without having to think about it.
they should make the gh7 have dual iso like gh5s, maintaining stabilization and phase detect from g9ii (or improving on g9ii's af). and make the sensor bsi. its mft, make it bsi and dual iso, it needs these. if we're technically there yet, add dual video recording to be able to simultaneously record video in v-log ungraded and graded in-camera (or possibility to embed lut in-camera on a copy of the log file, while in camera, not in edit)
I’m invested in micro 4/3, and replaced both my gh5 and Gh5s with two GH6’s and my G9 with a G9ii. I run all native lenses with one Voiglander 45mm F0.95 for low light purposes. The LUMIX 10-25 live on one GH6 and the 25-50 live on the other while the 35-100ii stay on the G9ii. My work is main stand up training videos which all three camera served my purpose. But I prefer the way the GH6 feels in my hands, the G9ii feels too small. Because of the auto focus the G9 stays with me 100% of the time while the GH6’s lives in cages which takes away from the feel of the GH6. But yes, I which the G9ii had the same body as the GH6.
I just order the G9 ii because as you say, for me it's the real GH6. (I come from the GH5) it has all the software features of the GH6 and some issues has been fixed No streaking issue, better battery life, DR boost at 500isos in VLOG, less noise at low isos, not too heavy, I can live without the screen and the extra buttons of the GH6. I don't really need the fan. When I shoot feature film, I don't do a lot of very long takes
The same for me. I have a lot of M43 lenses and I don't want to lose them. I have great cinema lenses with a M43 mount (Meike, Sirui). T1.2 is enough to have shallow depth of fields. The great autofocus of the G9 mark ii will help me for every day video and photo (I have the leica 25mm f1.4, Sigma 16mm f1.4)
@@sebastienblanchetiere1323 nice collection, I have the leicas 8-18, 12-60, and 100-400 original. Hoping the 120fps autofocus can track eagles at a reasonable distance and small birds hopping around the birch branches for some nature b-roll. Anything will be better than my abysmal manual focusing keeper ate!
My main concern is overheating. I bought the GH6 so I didn't have to worry about playing one of my songs and have it shut off after thinking I'd get the perfect take. I've also shot hockey games and the autofocus on the GH6 worked exactly as I needed it to. I still plan on rigging this up to get the best battery life and portability I can. if they copy the exact gh6 body and better autofocus it will dominate in my opinion.
I'm still on my GH5. Actually I wanted to change to APS-C, but didn't find what I was searching for. Now I am really looking forward to a new GH6ii or GH7, but to be honest, what should they have what the G9ii doesn't have? Would be hard to bring really new big features to a GH7 and not just labeling the G9ii in a GH body as the new GH7.
I really like the GH6. I've been able to make the Panasonic contrast-detect AF work for me for a long time - GH3 onwards. Before that I used Canon 1D mark 2 and 1Ds mark 2 which were very good for DSLRs - better than the canon Mark 3's - and I can capture water ski jumpers and other fast moving action without difficulty. Not sure the hybrid phase detect AF would really do much more for me.
Do you have any tips for using autofocus on the GH6 beyond the focus limiter? That PDAF and lower weight are the only reasons I’m thinking of moving from GH6 to G9ii, but beyond that I have no need to switch. Any help with the autofocus would be appreciated. I didn’t really care all that much about it until I got an OM5 with PDAF as my EDC and man it’s nice.
When Gh6 came out, I thought it was a market strategy from Panasonic to replace their cameras in the Market, like an update or a replacement of price and product consummation. Like: Panasonic Gh6 = panasonic gh5 version 1 (Cheap, excelent boby and great video quality) Panasonic G9 Mark2 = A mixing of the Lumix G9 and the Lumix GH5 Mark2, in one body (All in one) A Posible Version Panasonic Gh6-S = Like the Lumix Gh5-S just focus on Low Light Video and Powerful Video DR, like 14+stop Dynamic Range and Dual Native ISO 400/4000 (like S5II-X). Or just Like the dual ISO of the Gh5-S 400/2500. I think probably we will see a MFT video Camera like the Lumix GH5-S especialized in Great Low Light Quality and Excellent Dynamic Range, but this time with IBIS.
I have the exact same feeling when I use the G9II, it reminds me my GH5, I don't know why, maybe because I can use I-dynamic again, maybe because the skin tones look similar with a bit of magenta. I have now 3 M43 cameras, the GH5, GH6 and G9II. I really like the image of the GH6, the AF of the G9II and sometimes the very sharp image of the GH5 for some shots, lot more moiré than the GH6 and G9II but the fine details are not altered at all in 4K.
The GH6 has a V-Log base ISO (0db) set at 2000 ISO which is great for lower light situations. The G9-II has a much lower base ISO in video. That's a G9-II deal breaker for me. I'm holding my GH6 for that very reason. (waiting for the GH7)
To me the G9II seems like the perfect all in One Run and Gun and Travel Cam (as my G9 before) would love (like) to see a S5iiR (36+ mp) as a companion to the G9ii - 2 awesome hybrids The GH6's final destination seems to be a safety/Backup Cam ("I know, we got SOMETHING...") Don't know what to do with my S5 OG though 🤔 but for b2b and the usual corporate Video work stuff i don't wont a hybrid. what i really want to see is a FF EVA II with PDAF and a good EVF+Screen (!) and maybe new box cameras for multicam (it's Blackmagic for now) never enjoyed Sony-Cameras... that's why i prefer using the OLD JVC LS300 over the FX6 (call me an idiot :) So my wish for 2024 is a (few) Sony FX killer
I love the GH6. The auto focus is fine. The body, that GH6 body is unmatched. It would be hard for me to leave this camera. If I didn’t already have a GH6 then, that G9II would definitely be an option.
I can see why GH5 users/lovers weren't crazy about the GH6. It really is almost a different line of camera, the design path clearly took a turn with the GH6. But how? They went much harder core CINEMA cam. Which is what a lot of folks wanted, or claimed they wanted, no? Maybe Lumix should have kept the GH6 more like the 5 and the 9mk2, and made the the GH6 that we know into a "Cinema" line, like what Canon did? Then there would be zero to complain about, right? Cine cams don't generally relay on AF as much, just look at the BMPC line. Cine cams aren't run and gun, which really, the GH6 isn't either. Money no object I would have picked up a Canon C70. But in many ways the GH6 feels like a mini C70, so I'm happy. I got what I asked for. (But of course yes, if there was a firmware way to upgrade the AF in the GH6 I would not complain! lol) Thanks for the video!
Hoping they can make a LUMIX camera with PDAF that has the same image quality as the GH6 and original S cameras. A little concerned about the digital look that’s being produced by the new line of cameras!
loved everything about the gh6, but after streaking on a professional shoot, I had to swap to the g9... If they fix that and keep the multi tilt screen im in. (Internal B-raw for a small set up would be iiiiincredible)
Besides the vari-tilt screen, I do not like the Gh6 body at all. If a new GH camera comes out I hope it comes in the body of a S5ii X + vari-tilt screen
I don't find these G9M2 vs GH6 conversations meaningful. Obviously the GH6 is a 2021 release (delayed into spring 2022) which will be replaced by a GH7 with PDAF by Panasonic ASAP. At this point the GH6 is over two years old, while the G9M2 is fresh out of the assembly line. If no GH7 announcement at CES in january or shortly thereafter, at least in the next 6-12 months.
I had to sell my gh6 because of unusable footage due to streaking issues. I work with artificial light and in low light conditions and almost none of the recorded videos were free of horrible streaks.
These companies can not give you a ONE Camera with everything in it. The GH6 has to sell with its own qualities, G9II will sell cuz of its autofocus quality.
So true !! If they had put the DR BOOST at ISO 500 and the same AF than the G9II inside the GH6 body, the camera would have been perfect because the GH6 image is better than the G9II, mainly because colors. This is the same with the S5II, if they had put the same AF and IBIS than the S5II inside the first S5, the camera would have been perfect because the internal video processing is better on the first S5. This is really what I expected when I bought the G9II and the S5II, a GH6 and a S5 with better AF. But I was pretty disappointed and I kept my S5 and my GH6 along with the S5II and G9II. Next time, I will wait before buying the new Panasonic cameras to see if they have both the best image quality and the best AF they can provide.
I want the gh6 wit gh9 af thats al. The better memory card , the screen and the fan are enough reasons to want the gh6 but please bring the battery grip back i use it for everything with my gh5. Taking photos is better with it and handheld filming is better as well the guy who decided to remove the option should be fired.
Yeah, I love it!@@CalebHoover Btw, is shooting in anamorphic with a normal lense the same as shooting open gate? Thinking about switching so I can use my footage more conveniently for both horizontal and vertical videos.
Caleb what are you even talking about. The body of the GH6 is ugly. But yeah, it has some functional benefits. I also like the tally light. But yup we are all waiting for GH6ii/GH7 to bring all the good stuff together. Including a softer more cinematic image setting. But I think this might be added to the G9ii as well, since its probably just SW.
Hi mate, love your work. Just a tip: a 'predecessor' is an earlier model, a 'successor' is a later model. So the GH4 is the predecessor to the GH5, the GH6 is the successor to the GH5.
Beyond that, as someone who only owns a Gh5 II and a G85, I think my next camera upgrade will be to the G9 II. Autofocus is the worst part of my cameras, and even saying 'shoot manual' isn't so easy when all the lenses are focus by wire. Pulling focus isn't as easy as it should be, especially for a system with bad autofocus. That's just my two cents anyway.
haha yeah shooting from the hip on this one i messed some words up
"High frequency ISO" was the best 😊
I had same setup as you... Gh5 II and G85. Today I ordered the G9 II (more for wildlife photography than for video), and we will see what happens during 2024, if there is a GH6 II/GH7.
@@carlosmarin6169 So exciting! Hope you love it mate!!
guess who just ordered a G9ii because of this vid... :)
Probably commented before, followed you for years. Video guy (gigs & personal fun shoots like the vinyl channel I'm commenting from). Was GH4 shooter, then now GH5 shooter.
REALLY looking forward to the autofocus. Really looking forward to better IBIS etc. Soon, I will be getting the Kondor Blue Cage + Pro Blade SSD Handle (great edit workflow).
M43 is not hoyte van hoytema on an IMAX rig, with Nolan overlooking. No. It's this amazing instant creativity, flexibility, & a price point that allows people like me to focus on entertaining conversation with a record store owner, not worrying if the specs are 5% better somewhere else, or oh no, is it rectilinear enough?! ...
so thanks Caleb! keep on groovin your way ~mark
you know Caleb, I got a gh6, after gh5 since 2018, and the AF on the 6, frankly, is NOT all that bad. for one thing, I have not encountered pulsing on 6. It puts boxes around people, or faces and damn if it's not accurate, and sticky focus. Your observation the 6 is more "cinematic image" than the 5-s and G92, rings true. One more thing I've grown to LIKE about my 6. Hold on to your seats. STILLS. hey I shoot stills on bigger sensor cams usually. BUT, not just using the 100mp mode, but regular 25mp photos ??? I am sometimes blown away, by the color, dynamic range (without boost), and with decent glass this camera's ability to do quality stills. Some may argue, but to those I say, try the gh6. NO overheating with the 6, as you say a more pleasing image than the others , probably the best color of any Lumix camera out of the box....OK the sucker is heavy compared to my 5, and the stab, while very good, ain't an OM system. BUT, all things considered, and the STEAL price i got a new 6 for half retail price during a BH promotion), I gotta say I too love the 6, so far. Good light, the AF is sticky. No big deal. If fast moving or such, you can always go to manual focus. But tell me Caleb. HOW COME THE GH6 GETS NO LOVE ???? It's a masterpiece for video, approved by NETFLIX. No it ain't perfect. Neither is Sony Canon or Nikon or Fuji. each camera has quirks.there is no Perfect camera. But the 6 is way up there IMO. Would I have liked PDAF in the 6? sure. but all things considered, it's a f.......k of a good camera. nuff said
This is true, I have the A7IV, S5II S1 G9II etc but I still prefer the GH6 for both photos and videos, the colors and skin tones are crazy good, and with the 25-50mm the contrast and colors are even better than my GM or S Pro lenses.
the moment GH7 or GH6ii comes out I will be crying tears of joy. I love the body of the GH6 so much but the autofocus just makes me cry
CES in january?
could you imagine!?
Wish I had the GH6, still rocking my old gh5.
GH5 is life!
The GH5 is legendary though
I have a gh5. I can't get myself to move to the gh6. Maybe g9ii is what I need.
Me too
Hi I still have a GH5 and a GH4, but I got a couple of S5iis.
Great video, I do have to say the GH6 is such a filmmaking tool that AF is still so far at the bottom of the list of importance for me. What I think SHOULD have been on the GH6 is the lower DR Boost range.
yeah that dr boost base iso still blows my mind that it was sooo high haha.
@@CalebHoover The 800 "lower", or the 2000? It kind of has two.
I love the G9 mk2, especially with the new firmware update on the HDMI to RAW output. Now I can use my Blackmagic design Video assist 12G for BRAW recordings. I use Davinci Resolve for my editing.
absolutely! great option on there
The only reason I can see that a videographer would pick the G9 ii is the auto focus. I have done 6 paid gigs with my GH6. I shoot live theatre, concerts, and dance shows. The auto focus worked well except when the lights were really low or when they dipped between scenes. After I started using the focus limiter, nothing seems to cause it to lose focus.
that's a good point. that focus limiter is very helpful!
yeah, its very functional.
I really enjoy the GH6 as a work horse camera. I also have the GH5 and use them for multi cam interviews. I can tell the GH5 is more clinically sharper and I got used to likening that. Now I find myself trying to soften up the sharpening in it to match the GH6. I’m satisfied with the GH6 autofocus as a user without the G9ii. But I also enjoy the manual focus workflow knowing I got the shot I wanted. I also like the heft of GH6 for work. It feels reliable. I think if GH7 came out I would be more exited to find good deals on GH6 unless they improve the battery life.
nice! i agree that the image of the GH6 is the sweet spot. i haven't found the autofocus reliable so i don't use that feature at all but overall the GH6 is stellar.
Using a smaller node in the ASIC chip usually lowers power use.
You are one of the core LUMIX trusted advisers on the net and I appreciate your content.
It does make me wonder what the GH7 will be. I think internal NDs and a low MP sensor would make sense (also replacing the GH5s).
Hi Caleb, do you think you can test the G9II with the Viltrox EF-M2ii instead of the metabones speedbooster, as it seemed to perform much better in terms of AF
i don't have anything viltrox but if i get my hands on it i definitely will
I tested it and it was very confident, but slow (and noisy of course). But it almost looks like a slow focus pull. Before I updated the viltrox firmware it didn’t work at all, but then I updated it and it worked much better than I expected, but I can’t stress the word SLOW enough.
I’m so curious about the imagine from the gh6. I don’t have one, but the way people talk makes me what to try one especially with the current used prices. My g9ii had to get sent back cause there was a problem with it, but another one is on the way. I love the g9ii, as an original G9 die hard, it is 100% the camera I was hoping for when the gh6 dropped. I quit waiting and bought an a7iv cause I got a wicked deal on it. it’s not for me. Really happy to be back with Lumix and back on MFT.
@@nolannatashaTV Slow is fine for Video. I wouldn't be using that combo for stills anyway. Thanks a lot for informing us about your findings.
@@nolannatashaTV IQ on the G9II is better than the GH6 due to the improved DRboost. But a lot of people prefer the colours of the GH6, for good reason. Ever since the S5II, Panasonic changed their colour output to lean more towards red and magenta.
What does "high frequency ISO" mean????
I always use DR boost on my GH6, as the highlight roll-off is far superior with it. Plus, when paired with the Leica and Voigtlander lenses, there is not really much that can touch it from purely an image quality perspective.
Kind of interested to learn more about why you think the image is more cinematic out of camera on GH6 over the other S bodies and G9ii - I’m assuming you’re using VLOG on both GH6, S5ii and G9II (on S5ii and G9II i believe the new processing engine uses a slightly more aggressive sharpening algorithm on non VLOG profiles). The only other difference that I’m aware of is that GH6 uses an OLPF ? Is this very slight softening of the image easy to replicate with something like dehancer? I shoot S1, S1R, S5ii and interested in G9ii (I avoided the GH6 because I’m a one man band and need AF on a gimbal. I do however always have a soft spot for the GH6 image and color science. I’ve played with dehancer and shooting with a buddy using GH6 have been very happy to match S5iix footage with GH6. Interested to get your take. Great channel. Keep up the great work!
The GH6 and the G9II have the same details rendering in video, they don't use OLPF but they use a sort of digital OLPF called Intelligent Details Filtering. This one is pretty aggressive on these two cameras. It helps to prevent moiré and makes the image more cinematic by softening some very fine details like complex patterns, hairs or skin.
This is sometimes annoying, by exemple when using soft lenses or super telephoto zoom lenses like the 100-400mm at the long end because some fine details like feathers on birds can look blurry especially when the birds are moving a bit, both the GH6 and G9II can have difficulty to stay 100% sharp, exactly like if the shutter speed was too low. Never had these issue on my GH5, G9 or S5 or S1.
The GH5 and the G9 don't smooth fine details in video, so they can look sharper and more digital, they look much more like a burst of raw photos. I sometimes like this look as well, this is not bad like on smartphones at all.
But in my opinion, the GH6 looks more cinematic than the G9II because of the color science, the best I have seen from a Panasonic camera.
My lineup is the GH5 (Camera 3) GH6 (B-ROLL Camera 2) and S5II (Camera 1) My only question is, I prefer shooting in 10-bit 420, and the only 10bit option on the GH5 is shooting in 422. Thats kinda one of the reasons I want a G9II for the autofocus and to match up with my GH6 and S5II... is this too marginal of a nitpick to want a g9II to replace my GH5? Thanks Caleb! Love your channel!
thanks for watching! i definitely feel like the image from the g9ii would look closer to the s5ii as far as image goes but would be a great replacement for the gh5
I really like the GH6 body style. I wish we'll have a G9ii like specs; beefier (false color, dual base gain, Phase Detect, cfx typeB, open gate) with a GH6 body. I'm saving for it.
right on! false color could you imagine!
Even if you're not messing around with the DR Boost on the G9ii, chances are you do use it. It's set as the default for anything 60fps and under, and I'm not aware that there's a way to turn it off.
If they make a GH6mkii that's just the G9ii in in the GH6 body, that would be pretty epic.
that would be epic!
I’ve said this a few times, but at the end of the day something had to be the last camera with DFD. Is it unfortunate that such an amazing camera like the GH6 is overshadowed by that fact? Yes but it’s still an amazing camera for filmmakers.
Still, it would've made more sense for the GH6, at release, to be the first Panasonic camera to have the phase detect feature considering that prior to the S5ii and G9ii, they went through all the trouble to create a GH5ii. It was a confusing series of events to be honest.
@@mistermastermind528 lose lose. Throw away years of work with the GH6 and start from scratch and make us wait even LONGER or release the camera we got.
Dude I REALLY wish they would have held off on the gh6 and put all the tech in the gh6 they did for the g9ii. And also made it Netflix approved specs
seriously ultimate cam right there
We’ll probably never know, but when the GH6 was launched (22nd Feb 2022), you can’t tell me that there wasn’t at least a bench prototype of the S5mk 2 in existence at that point with PDAF (officially announced 4th Jan 2023). So they should have waited - instead Panasonic kinda shot themselves in the foot with the GH6. It also begs the question, what will they have to put inside a GH7 to make that an attractive proposition..?
They will have to put in 8k 60 10bit 442 internal uncropped and 8k 120 cropped 8bit. with external recording or prores raw and braw at 8k. if they can price it under 3000 usd it will sell as long as it have pdaf working in all modes.
Lidar autofocus maybe, dual iso. Dual usb port. Better battery.
Thanks for the video! The closeness in time between the launches of GH6 and G9mk2 creates tremendous displeasure among users of Lumix cameras, That new phase focus that the G9 II has is the great disruptor!, many will run for it! g9 II for this detail!!, would I like to have it on my GH6?, my answer is definitely yes!!!, and I say this even though I never use an automatic lens!!!, hahaha, friends will soon release a review of the monster GH6, let's breathe easy and enjoy a camera totally designed for video both in body and functions like the GH6, while we wait for the new evolution of this system!!!. I have read many comments that the GH9 II body feels cheap.
For an "EDC" format of camera the 'x' type G series bodies are king. Gx7, Gx8; Gx9. Reminds me of the older rangefinder film cameras. works well with the small prime lenses like the pancake 40mm. I would love to see a Gx10 as I am still using the Gx7 but maybe I'll eventually grab a Gx9 when the prices fall.
Even as an owner of the G9 II (more precisely: G9M2) I must say that there are distinct differences between the lineups. There is a reason why Pany has positioned the new camera as photo-centric model: by default it supports 4K / C4k. Want open gate? Well, then either add a SSD + a DC coupler + an AC adapter + electricity (coming from where?) or use the all new firmware 2.00, which requires … an external recorder. I do not have a problem with these restrictions since downsampling from 5.8K is fantastic (quite similar to Canon’s R6 MK II) but if I wanted to do anamorphic on as hi-res a frame as possible (in order to achieve great results in post), I would have to use the BMD VideoAssist. This said, the camera is super snappy but all the options make it a bit difficult to use (compared to the G9). The manual consists of 800+ pages… Switchting back and forth SSD and SD is a bit annoying. From a specification and high-quality output perspective it is splendid.
yeah the g9ii is definitely not perfect for video shooters and why i won't be rigging it up for any corporate shoots cuz i'm set on that with other options but for real, everyday use, this is stellar
you can get a dummy battery that outputs the same 7.8V(?) as the ac-10 unit and is powered by a usb-c power bank so still keep the usb-c port free.
In the UK the GH6 is £1150 and the G9Mk2 is £1600. Is the G9Mk2 worth the £450 premium?
My favourite video camera I have is the GH5s - hope they release a GH6s with the same DR boost work flow as the G9 2.
DR Boost (Dual Gain Output) is always on for the G9II when at or below 60fps. A much more elegant implementation than the DR boost in the GH6. Extra Dynamic range without having to think about it.
they should make the gh7 have dual iso like gh5s, maintaining stabilization and phase detect from g9ii (or improving on g9ii's af). and make the sensor bsi. its mft, make it bsi and dual iso, it needs these. if we're technically there yet, add dual video recording to be able to simultaneously record video in v-log ungraded and graded in-camera (or possibility to embed lut in-camera on a copy of the log file, while in camera, not in edit)
I’m invested in micro 4/3, and replaced both my gh5 and Gh5s with two GH6’s and my G9 with a G9ii. I run all native lenses with one Voiglander 45mm F0.95 for low light purposes. The LUMIX 10-25 live on one GH6 and the 25-50 live on the other while the 35-100ii stay on the G9ii. My work is main stand up training videos which all three camera served my purpose. But I prefer the way the GH6 feels in my hands, the G9ii feels too small. Because of the auto focus the G9 stays with me 100% of the time while the GH6’s lives in cages which takes away from the feel of the GH6.
But yes, I which the G9ii had the same body as the GH6.
I just order the G9 ii because as you say, for me it's the real GH6.
(I come from the GH5)
it has all the software features of the GH6 and some issues has been fixed
No streaking issue, better battery life, DR boost at 500isos in VLOG, less noise at low isos, not too heavy,
I can live without the screen and the extra buttons of the GH6. I don't really need the fan. When I shoot feature film, I don't do a lot of very long takes
sounds like it's gonna work great for you!
I'm too deep into M43 to change systems lol.. Does the G9 Mii have continuous video autofocus at 120 fps?
yes but you lose human detect seems pretty fast though
@@CalebHoover thanks for the response man I've been been watching your channel for a couple years now appreciate it.
The same for me. I have a lot of M43 lenses and I don't want to lose them. I have great cinema lenses with a M43 mount (Meike, Sirui). T1.2 is enough to have shallow depth of fields. The great autofocus of the G9 mark ii will help me for every day video and photo (I have the leica 25mm f1.4, Sigma 16mm f1.4)
@@sebastienblanchetiere1323 nice collection, I have the leicas 8-18, 12-60, and 100-400 original. Hoping the 120fps autofocus can track eagles at a reasonable distance and small birds hopping around the birch branches for some nature b-roll. Anything will be better than my abysmal manual focusing keeper ate!
My main concern is overheating. I bought the GH6 so I didn't have to worry about playing one of my songs and have it shut off after thinking I'd get the perfect take. I've also shot hockey games and the autofocus on the GH6 worked exactly as I needed it to. I still plan on rigging this up to get the best battery life and portability I can.
if they copy the exact gh6 body and better autofocus it will dominate in my opinion.
I'm still on my GH5. Actually I wanted to change to APS-C, but didn't find what I was searching for. Now I am really looking forward to a new GH6ii or GH7, but to be honest, what should they have what the G9ii doesn't have? Would be hard to bring really new big features to a GH7 and not just labeling the G9ii in a GH body as the new GH7.
i almost feel like any update to the gh6 line would just go full out cinema camera letz go!
I really like the GH6. I've been able to make the Panasonic contrast-detect AF work for me for a long time - GH3 onwards. Before that I used Canon 1D mark 2 and 1Ds mark 2 which were very good for DSLRs - better than the canon Mark 3's - and I can capture water ski jumpers and other fast moving action without difficulty. Not sure the hybrid phase detect AF would really do much more for me.
Do you have any tips for using autofocus on the GH6 beyond the focus limiter? That PDAF and lower weight are the only reasons I’m thinking of moving from GH6 to G9ii, but beyond that I have no need to switch. Any help with the autofocus would be appreciated. I didn’t really care all that much about it until I got an OM5 with PDAF as my EDC and man it’s nice.
When Gh6 came out, I thought it was a market strategy from Panasonic to replace their cameras in the Market, like an update or a replacement of price and product consummation.
Like:
Panasonic Gh6 = panasonic gh5 version 1 (Cheap, excelent boby and great video quality)
Panasonic G9 Mark2 = A mixing of the Lumix G9 and the Lumix GH5 Mark2, in one body (All in one)
A Posible Version
Panasonic Gh6-S = Like the Lumix Gh5-S just focus on Low Light Video and Powerful Video DR, like 14+stop Dynamic Range and Dual Native ISO 400/4000 (like S5II-X). Or just Like the dual ISO of the Gh5-S 400/2500.
I think probably we will see a MFT video Camera like the Lumix GH5-S especialized in Great Low Light Quality and Excellent Dynamic Range, but this time with IBIS.
i like where you're going with this and i definitely think it's a possibility
Can't firmware update in phase detect because it requires a different sensor build.
that's what the issue is for sure
I have the exact same feeling when I use the G9II, it reminds me my GH5, I don't know why, maybe because I can use I-dynamic again, maybe because the skin tones look similar with a bit of magenta.
I have now 3 M43 cameras, the GH5, GH6 and G9II. I really like the image of the GH6, the AF of the G9II and sometimes the very sharp image of the GH5 for some shots, lot more moiré than the GH6 and G9II but the fine details are not altered at all in 4K.
nice! i was wondering if other gh5 shooters felt that way if they got their hands on the g9ii
The GH6 has a V-Log base ISO (0db) set at 2000 ISO which is great for lower light situations. The G9-II has a much lower base ISO in video. That's a G9-II deal breaker for me. I'm holding my GH6 for that very reason. (waiting for the GH7)
To me the G9II seems like the perfect all in One Run and Gun and Travel Cam (as my G9 before)
would love (like) to see a S5iiR (36+ mp) as a companion to the G9ii - 2 awesome hybrids
The GH6's final destination seems to be a safety/Backup Cam ("I know, we got SOMETHING...")
Don't know what to do with my S5 OG though 🤔
but for b2b and the usual corporate Video work stuff i don't wont a hybrid. what i really want to see is a FF EVA II with PDAF and a good EVF+Screen (!)
and maybe new box cameras for multicam (it's Blackmagic for now)
never enjoyed Sony-Cameras... that's why i prefer using the OLD JVC LS300 over the FX6 (call me an idiot :)
So my wish for 2024 is a (few) Sony FX killer
haha for sure! i would love a lumix fx3 style cam
I love the GH6. The auto focus is fine. The body, that GH6 body is unmatched. It would be hard for me to leave this camera. If I didn’t already have a GH6 then, that G9II would definitely be an option.
gh6 body is almost perfect!
I can see why GH5 users/lovers weren't crazy about the GH6. It really is almost a different line of camera, the design path clearly took a turn with the GH6. But how? They went much harder core CINEMA cam. Which is what a lot of folks wanted, or claimed they wanted, no? Maybe Lumix should have kept the GH6 more like the 5 and the 9mk2, and made the the GH6 that we know into a "Cinema" line, like what Canon did? Then there would be zero to complain about, right? Cine cams don't generally relay on AF as much, just look at the BMPC line. Cine cams aren't run and gun, which really, the GH6 isn't either. Money no object I would have picked up a Canon C70. But in many ways the GH6 feels like a mini C70, so I'm happy. I got what I asked for. (But of course yes, if there was a firmware way to upgrade the AF in the GH6 I would not complain! lol) Thanks for the video!
100 with you on this. i love it but just go out and make a cinema line like this and less hybrid. i've been thinking something like the c70 or fx3
Hoping they can make a LUMIX camera with PDAF that has the same image quality as the GH6 and original S cameras. A little concerned about the digital look that’s being produced by the new line of cameras!
the image is a bit different i agree. can soften it up a bit in post or with diffusion but the gh6 image is superior
loved everything about the gh6, but after streaking on a professional shoot, I had to swap to the g9... If they fix that and keep the multi tilt screen im in. (Internal B-raw for a small set up would be iiiiincredible)
yeah that streaking was for sure an issue!
What is the Native GH6 ISO?
base iso is 250 with dr boost off. 2000 with it on
@@CalebHoover Thank you!
It is and hopefully Panasonic will continue to listen to their loyal customers!
they honestly do a great job of listening
Im w the X waitin for The gh6ii . Better be the same or better w pda
yes!
But does it have the dual gain ISo like gh6, which makes gh6 more "cinematic"? Gh6 color science was so much better than gh5, too.
Besides the vari-tilt screen, I do not like the Gh6 body at all. If a new GH camera comes out I hope it comes in the body of a S5ii X + vari-tilt screen
it's definitely not for everyone. would love a cinema line for the gh series
I don't find these G9M2 vs GH6 conversations meaningful. Obviously the GH6 is a 2021 release (delayed into spring 2022) which will be replaced by a GH7 with PDAF by Panasonic ASAP. At this point the GH6 is over two years old, while the G9M2 is fresh out of the assembly line. If no GH7 announcement at CES in january or shortly thereafter, at least in the next 6-12 months.
i think you're on to something!
I’m looking for a hybrid camera and I’m coming from canon 80D so I’m looking to start my year off great for nextbyear
I had to sell my gh6 because of unusable footage due to streaking issues. I work with artificial light and in low light conditions and almost none of the recorded videos were free of horrible streaks.
dang that sucks!
Yes,for me,it was a no GO for the GH6. I love to use lights. It's a pity because the GH6 has a lot of good features.
These companies can not give you a ONE Camera with everything in it. The GH6 has to sell with its own qualities, G9II will sell cuz of its autofocus quality.
for sure
So true !!
If they had put the DR BOOST at ISO 500 and the same AF than the G9II inside the GH6 body, the camera would have been perfect because the GH6 image is better than the G9II, mainly because colors.
This is the same with the S5II, if they had put the same AF and IBIS than the S5II inside the first S5, the camera would have been perfect because the internal video processing is better on the first S5.
This is really what I expected when I bought the G9II and the S5II, a GH6 and a S5 with better AF. But I was pretty disappointed and I kept my S5 and my GH6 along with the S5II and G9II.
Next time, I will wait before buying the new Panasonic cameras to see if they have both the best image quality and the best AF they can provide.
I want the gh6 wit gh9 af thats al. The better memory card , the screen and the fan are enough reasons to want the gh6 but please bring the battery grip back i use it for everything with my gh5. Taking photos is better with it and handheld filming is better as well the guy who decided to remove the option should be fired.
whoa whoa nobody getting fired haha
@@CalebHoover hahaha
Please, test Sigma 16mm in G9 II 😅
GH6 II coming out?
crossed fingers
Yeah, I love it!@@CalebHoover
Btw, is shooting in anamorphic with a normal lense the same as shooting open gate? Thinking about switching so I can use my footage more conveniently for both horizontal and vertical videos.
All rumours is about a GH7. Something will certainly hit during CES in january. Lumix G or S is the question.
@@GrenlandUnderVann That would be incredible!
Hello fellow Norwegian!
Relax. The successor to the GH6 will have the new auto focus system, plus features and improvements beyond what exists in the G9II.
G9ii will be my choice’ with weight ‘ min.iso’ and autofocus’ just kill gh6’ sorry and I’m using gh5ii.
that gh5ii is legit really great!
Caleb what are you even talking about. The body of the GH6 is ugly. But yeah, it has some functional benefits. I also like the tally light. But yup we are all waiting for GH6ii/GH7 to bring all the good stuff together. Including a softer more cinematic image setting. But I think this might be added to the G9ii as well, since its probably just SW.
the g9ii is the real gh6 ！😂
if i ever think about selling my gh6 it would be in about 3 or 4 year at least