EDIT: I still stand by this mouse as being amazing BUT, Lamzu needs to address a click latency issue ASAP. The first click after lifting the mouse and setting it back down will have roughly 20ms of extra latency, which is unacceptable for a high performance mouse. I do think it's excellent in every other way, but that's a huge issue that needs to be addressed. Part of why ended up with the Maya X is from watching your video, and man, it did not disappoint. Just recently tried out my old GPX superlight for the hell of it, and despite loving that mouse for the past few years, I know for sure I can never go back. It's a strict upgrade for me in all but battery life, but i haven't actually had it die yet, so that's not really an issue. If you're someone who is familiar and likes the GPX shape, I can't recommend the Maya X enough.
I don't recommend it anymore. I was in the same boat as you and really liked it but something felt a little off and inconsistent with it which techpowerup just pinpointed. There's a bug where everytime you lift the mouse your next click will get 20ms of latency added to it no matter if you set it down after or not. Until lamzu both acknowledges and commits to fixing the bug I can't recommend it.
@samster978 obviously as im not a hardware reviewer no I didn't pin point the exact issue but it felt very off despite how much I liked the mouse otherwise
@orionizaqt A community manager said they're looking into it so just keep on the lookout for any updates. Whether you're sharp enough to feel it or not it'll 100% have a negative impact on your performance regardless unless ur like the bottom of bronze lol
EGG mice are just so nice man. Still rocking that modded purple OP1 8k. It also made me realise I just prefer wired mice which I thought the opposite before this.
How so? I also own the op1 8k and I would love to main it, but fingertip is just not for me and it is too narrow for my hands, so I ordered an xm2w. Can you tell me why you prefer the wire? I thought it wouldn't bother me, but for me it really does when I need to swipe to turn in games
@@Schlummigumpf he doesnt, its just the cope because he prefer money over it, or he bought it before wireless version released so he copes. Its cope either way
@ Lol you're delusional. I have a bunch of mice and that's the only wired one. Lower weight, don't have to charge it so I can actually use 8k without it being cosmetic as well. Just in my head I know I have the most responsive mouse possible. On both my other mice X2 mini and Viper V3 pro I only use 2k because 8k eats battery so quickly it's unsustainable on wireless, it's annoying af.
Hey i have a question, is there a big difference between 4k and 8k poling rate? cause i cant choose which one to buy, some say you need a powerful pc to handle the movement of 8k and i have only close mid range PC.
@@arn0ld4s35 I mean personally? I think the performance above 1k to be negligible. It won't make you much better, and many games struggle to support the highest refresh rate mice. I don't think the juice is worth the squeeze. People were killing it on the WMO years ago which runs at 125hz lol. Obviously things are much different now, but I'd be shocked if going from 1k to 4k or 8k made any actual improvement to your gameplay
Great choice for place 1. I picked up a xmw2 4K yesterday and its a shape I come back to since 5 years now and going back to 4K from 8K and from 35g to 60g doesn't really matter at all when the mouse is that good.
I was surprised to see the Mchose l7 pro/ultra not on this list considering it had one of the lowest click latency in your chart. Great selection of mice regardless
@@AimAdapt Just curious, whats the motivation for using the 8k over the ying? the ying is lighter and wireless but a similar shape - is it the coating of egg that makes the difference?
If I may pose a question... Is there a mouse with a shape like Logitech GPro X Superlight but with a back hump instead? Maybe sort of a Superlight/X2H hybrid.
Hey aim adapt any chance you can do a comparison video of the NP01S V2 and the OP1 8K. I just bought an NP01S and I was wondering how similar they are, thanks again for the videos you are awesome!
op1 was main for months 17.5cm x 9 hands, but it gives me discomfort cus of how narrow it is. gave vaxee sora a shot its like op1.5 shape kinda, been enjoying it i feel like i aim better with it cus its a bit wider, gives me more stability on the back hump as well
@@mustypipes6602what do you mean by less tapered? I assume you mean from back to front? The sides on the op1 are about as flat as you can get while the xm2 has an extreme taper from top to bottom. I also own both and the xm2 feels huge compared to op1 but that’s mainly due to the op1 feeling small. It also doesn’t have sidewalls on the clicks which combined with the extreme taper makes finding room for your ring and pinky challenging. I also think the clicks are better on the op1w 4k compared to the really firm and loud clicks of the xm2w 4k. It would be pretty hard for me to recommend an xm2 as a “larger” op1 as other than hump profile I feel like these mice are very very different.
I’m not a “weight queen” and I used to defend “heavier” mice but it’s getting harder and harder for me to defend 60+ gram mice. Some of them aren’t too bad but no one can tell me it’s unnoticeable going from sub 40 to 65. I don’t mind gpx/vv3p/newer Vaxee but Zowie and xm2w 4k are very noticeable when using.
I was debating on getting a left handed mouse myself, I figured I'd just go with a pulsar x3 LHD or a pulsar X2A v3 myself since I heard good things about them but not many left handed mice I see that seem solid.
@Kiobao i got a pulsar X2A myself. i feel they're the only decent ambidextrous gaming mice recently. one thing i wish i knew before getting it is it doesn't have software to customize what the side buttons do. hope it will help you
Just returned my endgame gear x2m w4k. Thing was so good, but when changing skates, the bottom of the mouse had a huge crack going to where you rest your palm. Terrible quality in my opinion.
OP1 is also my number 1 shape and i love my OP1 8k. I want to main a wireless mouse but i think the OP1w is sadly too heavy for me. Currently trying the R6 and got a G-Wolves HTR on order (just to try something radically new for me). Not sure where i want to go from here - possibly Ying, HT-S2, HTX mini...
@@Tomson_ I dont think there is a mouse that currently delivers more value if you are on a budget and prefer the OP1 shape. It is a little wider in the front than the OP1 and the sides stay wider towards the top of the mouse where the OP1 gets narrower. For 60 bucks the build feels solid, specs are impressive and the software is lightweight (web driver or downloadable app without install). Comes in at 43 grams but you can propably get that down to 41 with dot skates. Would pick the R6 anyday over a sora v2 for example.
EGG mice would actually be good if their firmware worked and didn't make your mouse useless. They somehow can't get the firmware right on every release and it takes 6+ months
What do you mean? I owned op1we previously and own op1 8k now and don't have any issues besides accidental double click on GX speed mode but that's the problem of my copy's switches
Considering they just work perfectly out of the box (I've owned over 7 different EGG mice, no bad experiences), I've never seen a point in updating firmware. Take my DPI, set it and forget it. No issues with tracking or anything over the years.
Jesus christ. I'm just about to return my maya x after techpowerup discovered the bug where you get 20ms of latency added to your next click whenever you lift your mouse. The xm2w 4k was my next choice but I really don't wanna face more firmware flaws
Those are technically under $70 (at least what I see in the US). I was hoping to see more about the MCHOSE L7, personally... But they're well under $70.
Love your videos. Quick question tho. What do you think about the LGG neptune pro? Been thinking about getting it with either an op18k or lamzu maya x (cant decide which ones)
ik u didn’t ask me, but in my experience the neptune pro is a fantastic mousepad for either of those mice. the maya will probably feel like it plays a little faster due to its lower weight, but if u wanna save some money i’d go with the OP1 8k and just give the pad a test run
I bought OP1 4k cuz of the wireless, used it when charged, then realized that i dont even feel the cable when using it charged. then i gave op1 8k a shot. now im not even touching my OP1 4k anymore, ahahaha.
@@kamrankambang7953 supposedly they are just budget in price but quality is amazing so i find it weird to not find a single one of those even being mentioned
Hi, Liam. Im very interested when you said "its my favorite and working for me so well" what do you mean? Working for what? Do you even playing games or all of this mices working well for making this youtube content? Because im kind of gm gamer and cant understand how one person can have in top-3 mouses with absolutely different sizes and shapes. Like, if Hitscan shape working for you so well, then Maya X dont. And op1 dont. Every 1mm of shape matter for precise aim. And ur top-3 absolutely crazy opposite sizes and shapes for different hands and grip styles. You master all grip styles and love all grip styles simultaneously? Yeah, all of this mouses great, but man...cmon. Play some games, ur channel like no soul content factory atm.
I don't get it why people shit on the Harpe Ace Extreme when VM Signature exists... its slightly lighter while being twice its size without a single hole, cheaper and sold through amazon.
I think wired or wireless, it will depend on the preference of the user. Some loves the freedom of the wireless and some does not like the hassle of always charging the mice.
I can't believe how bonkers people have gone with the wire on a mouse still. As if we have never had to play with a wire before. To each there own but this is just a fact, wire will always out perform wireless. It can always be lighter due to not needing a battery, less alterations in the shell to get to the targeted weight. No need to charge. No frequency interference. My opinion, with wireless you get the unbound perception that the wire had been holding you back this whole time. Just seems to me there is very little extra or better with the wireless experience. You spend more but ultimately get less. Raw numbers bare this out. Am I crazy?
cant wait for the budget list. currency exchange is not in my favour. 100usd is just too much for a mouse. right now im enjoying the madlions mad g so much the coating feels premium.
Waizowl does produce quality products but man the shapes aren't it... even though my hands are big enough to use the Cloud I just find the XM2W to be a much better shape.
ASUS ROG Harpe Ace is my main. It was previously Viper Ultimate/V2. I found I prefer more of a rear hump with a flatter top. Anyone know something similar to the Harpe?
EDIT: I still stand by this mouse as being amazing BUT, Lamzu needs to address a click latency issue ASAP. The first click after lifting the mouse and setting it back down will have roughly 20ms of extra latency, which is unacceptable for a high performance mouse. I do think it's excellent in every other way, but that's a huge issue that needs to be addressed.
Part of why ended up with the Maya X is from watching your video, and man, it did not disappoint. Just recently tried out my old GPX superlight for the hell of it, and despite loving that mouse for the past few years, I know for sure I can never go back. It's a strict upgrade for me in all but battery life, but i haven't actually had it die yet, so that's not really an issue. If you're someone who is familiar and likes the GPX shape, I can't recommend the Maya X enough.
I don't recommend it anymore. I was in the same boat as you and really liked it but something felt a little off and inconsistent with it which techpowerup just pinpointed. There's a bug where everytime you lift the mouse your next click will get 20ms of latency added to it no matter if you set it down after or not.
Until lamzu both acknowledges and commits to fixing the bug I can't recommend it.
@Frozoken I have never experienced that before, but I'll look out for it I guess
@@FrozokenI cant say I have noticed this , have you personally noticed this in use?
@samster978 obviously as im not a hardware reviewer no I didn't pin point the exact issue but it felt very off despite how much I liked the mouse otherwise
@orionizaqt A community manager said they're looking into it so just keep on the lookout for any updates.
Whether you're sharp enough to feel it or not it'll 100% have a negative impact on your performance regardless unless ur like the bottom of bronze lol
Thanks for the video. Apologies if i missed it, but do you mind elaborating why you prefer the wired op1 over the wireless version?
I can only think of latency or convenience
EGG mice are just so nice man. Still rocking that modded purple OP1 8k. It also made me realise I just prefer wired mice which I thought the opposite before this.
How so? I also own the op1 8k and I would love to main it, but fingertip is just not for me and it is too narrow for my hands, so I ordered an xm2w.
Can you tell me why you prefer the wire? I thought it wouldn't bother me, but for me it really does when I need to swipe to turn in games
@@Schlummigumpf he doesnt, its just the cope because he prefer money over it, or he bought it before wireless version released so he copes. Its cope either way
@ Lol you're delusional. I have a bunch of mice and that's the only wired one. Lower weight, don't have to charge it so I can actually use 8k without it being cosmetic as well. Just in my head I know I have the most responsive mouse possible. On both my other mice X2 mini and Viper V3 pro I only use 2k because 8k eats battery so quickly it's unsustainable on wireless, it's annoying af.
Op1 8k Supremacy.
Based list. Also the Helios II is just an S2-DW ;)
Great video as always bro! I recently discovered you the last couple of months and have purchased at least 4 different mice thanks to your reviews🔥
Thank you!
what size hand do you have and what grip?
The Maya form factor, hand feel, and scroll wheel are top tier. I've been happy with the Maya wireless, no issues or urge to upgrade
Hey i have a question, is there a big difference between 4k and 8k poling rate? cause i cant choose which one to buy, some say you need a powerful pc to handle the movement of 8k and i have only close mid range PC.
@@arn0ld4s35 I mean personally? I think the performance above 1k to be negligible. It won't make you much better, and many games struggle to support the highest refresh rate mice. I don't think the juice is worth the squeeze. People were killing it on the WMO years ago which runs at 125hz lol. Obviously things are much different now, but I'd be shocked if going from 1k to 4k or 8k made any actual improvement to your gameplay
Please what is the size of your hand?
Great list! Mine varies quite a bit. Was it the balancing of the 8k that made you like it better than the wireless? To me that made the difference.
Great choice for place 1. I picked up a xmw2 4K yesterday and its a shape I come back to since 5 years now and going back to 4K from 8K and from 35g to 60g doesn't really matter at all when the mouse is that good.
can u recommend the best budget for small hand?
You make great videos man. Discovered your channel in 2024 and love your style. Blessed 2025!
Have you tried the Maya X on the Hana or Beast?
What I would do for a
WLMouse Ying
What would be the best mouse software settings for max performance in a competition setting??
I was surprised to see the Mchose l7 pro/ultra not on this list considering it had one of the lowest click latency in your chart. Great selection of mice regardless
I think he said these mice were $80 and above. I am sure the L7 will be on his budget list.
does the razer viper v3 pro still have the sensor issue? im planning to buy one but worried if it is not fixable or something like that..
Great video Liam. I wonder if you like the Ying more than the OP1?
Tough call as I am honestly loving them both a lot. I am going back and forth between both of them right now as my most used mice currently.
@@AimAdapt Just curious, whats the motivation for using the 8k over the ying? the ying is lighter and wireless but a similar shape - is it the coating of egg that makes the difference?
@@Anthony-jx6fz probably the latency in the clicks on the op1 8k being unmatched.
maya x just feels instantly great
If I may pose a question... Is there a mouse with a shape like Logitech GPro X Superlight but with a back hump instead? Maybe sort of a Superlight/X2H hybrid.
Scyrox V8 is great for the price is
SCYROX V6 have you tried it?
Hey aim adapt any chance you can do a comparison video of the NP01S V2 and the OP1 8K. I just bought an NP01S and I was wondering how similar they are, thanks again for the videos you are awesome!
got the op1 8k but man its just a bit too small for me. If they make it in a bigger size I would probably buy it again
op1 was main for months 17.5cm x 9 hands, but it gives me discomfort cus of how narrow it is. gave vaxee sora a shot its like op1.5 shape kinda, been enjoying it i feel like i aim better with it cus its a bit wider, gives me more stability on the back hump as well
Check out the XM2, extremely similar shape and slightly larger.
@@hwi7114 the shape is not similar at all. the hump is, but the extreme comfort grooves on the xm2 make it an entirely different mouse
Xm2, close to the same shape with a wider bigger hump and less tapered sides. I own both in the wired versions.
@@mustypipes6602what do you mean by less tapered? I assume you mean from back to front? The sides on the op1 are about as flat as you can get while the xm2 has an extreme taper from top to bottom. I also own both and the xm2 feels huge compared to op1 but that’s mainly due to the op1 feeling small. It also doesn’t have sidewalls on the clicks which combined with the extreme taper makes finding room for your ring and pinky challenging. I also think the clicks are better on the op1w 4k compared to the really firm and loud clicks of the xm2w 4k. It would be pretty hard for me to recommend an xm2 as a “larger” op1 as other than hump profile I feel like these mice are very very different.
I’m not a “weight queen” and I used to defend “heavier” mice but it’s getting harder and harder for me to defend 60+ gram mice. Some of them aren’t too bad but no one can tell me it’s unnoticeable going from sub 40 to 65. I don’t mind gpx/vv3p/newer Vaxee but Zowie and xm2w 4k are very noticeable when using.
Hey Liam, no Pulsar x3 review?
I have low end gaming laptop with rtx2060. Does buying high end mouse benifits me?
No
No scyrox v8 mention??
I didn't skip the ads! good list liam! Thank you Osbot
I would say Lemokey G2 should be on the list
Try VXE/ATK series
OG Lamzu Maya is too small for my hands and cramps but the Maya X is too big and not comfortable either.. 17.5 x 8.5 hands
best budget mice tier when ?
scyrocs v6 and v8. you are welcome ;)
No viper v3???
not a single mouse with buttons on both sides for left-handed users ☹️
I was debating on getting a left handed mouse myself, I figured I'd just go with a pulsar x3 LHD or a pulsar X2A v3 myself since I heard good things about them but not many left handed mice I see that seem solid.
@Kiobao i got a pulsar X2A myself. i feel they're the only decent ambidextrous gaming mice recently. one thing i wish i knew before getting it is it doesn't have software to customize what the side buttons do. hope it will help you
f1 extreme? to me it's the hyperlight but better and far cheaper
I want to like G-Wolves more especially because of their shapes but their customer support... It's unfortunate. (Also their pricing)
Great video though! :D
Just returned my endgame gear x2m w4k. Thing was so good, but when changing skates, the bottom of the mouse had a huge crack going to where you rest your palm. Terrible quality in my opinion.
How can you crack the top of your mouse when changing your skates? Did you remove your skates with a hammer? 😂
video i see after buying Atk F1 extreme
I've bought the op1 8k wired just to hurt some people's feelings 🤣
Zowie u2
Best claw
OP1 is also my number 1 shape and i love my OP1 8k. I want to main a wireless mouse but i think the OP1w is sadly too heavy for me. Currently trying the R6 and got a G-Wolves HTR on order (just to try something radically new for me). Not sure where i want to go from here - possibly Ying, HT-S2, HTX mini...
I'm thinking of getting the R6, but heard different opinions about it, how good is it for you?
I think the ying would be perfect for you, basically the op1we Shape but lighter
@@Tomson_ I dont think there is a mouse that currently delivers more value if you are on a budget and prefer the OP1 shape.
It is a little wider in the front than the OP1 and the sides stay wider towards the top of the mouse where the OP1 gets narrower.
For 60 bucks the build feels solid, specs are impressive and the software is lightweight (web driver or downloadable app without install). Comes in at 43 grams but you can propably get that down to 41 with dot skates.
Would pick the R6 anyday over a sora v2 for example.
EGG mice would actually be good if their firmware worked and didn't make your mouse useless. They somehow can't get the firmware right on every release and it takes 6+ months
What do you mean? I owned op1we previously and own op1 8k now and don't have any issues besides accidental double click on GX speed mode but that's the problem of my copy's switches
BadseedTech talks about this in his top mouse video too ruclips.net/video/NfjpzUqdTxc/видео.html
Its a german company…. Thats why they never excelled in making software but only hardware just like the automotive industry…….
Considering they just work perfectly out of the box (I've owned over 7 different EGG mice, no bad experiences), I've never seen a point in updating firmware. Take my DPI, set it and forget it. No issues with tracking or anything over the years.
Jesus christ. I'm just about to return my maya x after techpowerup discovered the bug where you get 20ms of latency added to your next click whenever you lift your mouse. The xm2w 4k was my next choice but I really don't wanna face more firmware flaws
no scyrox v8/v6?
Those are technically under $70 (at least what I see in the US). I was hoping to see more about the MCHOSE L7, personally... But they're well under $70.
no way u got that much hate because of a wire loool
Love your videos. Quick question tho. What do you think about the LGG neptune pro? Been thinking about getting it with either an op18k or lamzu maya x (cant decide which ones)
What's you grip and hand size? The maya x and the op1 are sooo diferent, depending on your grip i think i can help u
ik u didn’t ask me, but in my experience the neptune pro is a fantastic mousepad for either of those mice. the maya will probably feel like it plays a little faster due to its lower weight, but if u wanna save some money i’d go with the OP1 8k and just give the pad a test run
@@gsv99 op1 8k or xm2w 4k? 18.5x10.8 claw grip coming from a deathadder v3 pro
@@omgspiffy i think the xm2 would be way more confortable for you, the op1 8k is way too narrow for claw grip in you hand size
I bought OP1 4k cuz of the wireless, used it when charged, then realized that i dont even feel the cable when using it charged. then i gave op1 8k a shot. now im not even touching my OP1 4k anymore, ahahaha.
Same. My Sora v2 and viper v3 pro eating dust right now
@@EvLTimEwhat’s your hand size?
@@thedharmabum 18x9 claw mostly
no left handed
G502 X is the best, the end.
No MChose L7 Pro on the list?
sad
What about the SCYROX and ATK's and whatnot?
that might be on the budget list
@@kamrankambang7953isnt scyrox made by lamzu?
Because of that scyrox is more consistent with qaulity than other cheap brands.
atk just a cheap copy of hitscan
@@kamrankambang7953 supposedly they are just budget in price but quality is amazing so i find it weird to not find a single one of those even being mentioned
i wouldnt call it cheap, it aint cheap and it's also very good even though it might be a copy
@@jablek_
Hi liam
Can you address FK2-DW sensor problem when you set it to 4K? tracking starts feeling a little weird and the cursor becomes somewhat unstable
Can be a cpu bottleneck or a poor game optimisation judging from all the reddit comments on 4k/8k.
@cadmusvictory4956 Other 4k mice worked just fine though.. like the lamzu maya and atlantis at 4k were fine and super smooth 🤔
joe rogan edition@!!!!!!
for me this year, Scryrox V6 is da best.
Hi, Liam.
Im very interested when you said "its my favorite and working for me so well" what do you mean? Working for what? Do you even playing games or all of this mices working well for making this youtube content? Because im kind of gm gamer and cant understand how one person can have in top-3 mouses with absolutely different sizes and shapes. Like, if Hitscan shape working for you so well, then Maya X dont. And op1 dont. Every 1mm of shape matter for precise aim. And ur top-3 absolutely crazy opposite sizes and shapes for different hands and grip styles. You master all grip styles and love all grip styles simultaneously?
Yeah, all of this mouses great, but man...cmon. Play some games, ur channel like no soul content factory atm.
Endgame gear gang
best gaming mice arent wireless
I don't get it why people shit on the Harpe Ace Extreme when VM Signature exists... its slightly lighter while being twice its size without a single hole, cheaper and sold through amazon.
terrible price for what you get
It's just too expensive and not worth it, it's not a bad mouse but for the price you can get 2 or 3 great mice easily.
I think wired or wireless, it will depend on the preference of the user. Some loves the freedom of the wireless and some does not like the hassle of always charging the mice.
Mad R major is just so good even though i have the mice mentioned in this video i still keep going back to the mad R major.
so many good mice, i just keep coming back to the pulsar x2v2
PMM is the way
day 3 of asking you to to review monka m1 pro max
no GPX ? nice fail
Dont worry. Wired mouse all the way i still wired and problemo
I can't believe how bonkers people have gone with the wire on a mouse still. As if we have never had to play with a wire before. To each there own but this is just a fact, wire will always out perform wireless. It can always be lighter due to not needing a battery, less alterations in the shell to get to the targeted weight. No need to charge. No frequency interference. My opinion, with wireless you get the unbound perception that the wire had been holding you back this whole time. Just seems to me there is very little extra or better with the wireless experience. You spend more but ultimately get less. Raw numbers bare this out. Am I crazy?
cant wait for the budget list. currency exchange is not in my favour. 100usd is just too much for a mouse. right now im enjoying the madlions mad g so much the coating feels premium.
Waizowl does produce quality products but man the shapes aren't it... even though my hands are big enough to use the Cloud I just find the XM2W to be a much better shape.
ASUS ROG Harpe Ace is my main. It was previously Viper Ultimate/V2. I found I prefer more of a rear hump with a flatter top. Anyone know something similar to the Harpe?
King ❤❤
Best superlight hater
end game is end game