Are You Missing Out? NEW Sony A7s iii S-Cinetone Cinematic Picture Profile UPDATE!
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- Опубликовано: 5 июл 2024
- The Sony A7s iii S-Cinetone update is here and it's supposed to make your footage more cinematic WITHOUT having to color grade! But does it live up to the hype?
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0:00 - Intro Skit
0:34 - What Is S-Cinetone?
1:30 - What is exciting about S-Cinetone?
2:24 - Dynamic Range Greyscale Test
4:12 - Real World Example: High Contrast & Skin Tones
5:13 - Sharpness
5:29 - S-Cinetone to S-Log3
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wonderful vid - thanks so much for explaining it so well and bringing us through all the processes - i’m back to testing out s-cinetone now haha
Thanks for watching dude!! I totally hear you on going back to testing after watching something like this haha
I've always just used the Standard Picture Profile in my Sony Cameras. I just start using S-Cinetone in my Sony a7siii and am now starting to use it on my recently purchased Sony FX30 (which I love!!). Eventually I'll play around with S-Log3, but for now I'll hold off until I learn more from watching videos like this. Thanks for sharing.
what is the difference between s-cinetone and the standard profile. what are the advantages of s-cinetone?
Great video! I’ve been using S-Cinetone recently but went back to S-log 3. There are so many slamming luts out there that are soooo good. I also noticed that in order to control specular highlights with s-cinetone I needed more diffusion than with S-log 3 which I wasn’t a fan of. Thanks for the comparison 👏🏾
Yeah, they’re definitely made for different processes. It’s nice to have a solid looking option for straight out of camera filmic looks... but I’m probably not gonna use it much when I have the control of s-log 3
Glad someone is showing folks you can have both S-log3 with S-cinetone colors. It's a dream to color correct skin. Also making 2 color profiles back to back one with S-log3 w. SGamut3.Cine the other with S-Log3 w. S-cinetone and it's jarring how much of a better base point of yellow red and orange are with S-cinetone.
Right. This is what they meant by "venice color" coming to the A7S iii correct? Log profile but color science from the bigger camera...?
@@stanchion8186 yep exactly
My a7s3 just came in today! Perfect timing.
Ooh nice!!
Wow Dunna did it! You smashed this one 🔥 video
Thanks!
Dunna! Thanks for the content my guy!
Thanks for watching Mike!!
another awesome video man - great job!
Thanks a ton!
Love this bro!!! My a7siii came in yesterday and I just did the update today! going to be shooting in cinetone for shizzle!
🙋🏻♂️ hey sorry just question question please... when ever i upload the s-cinetone footage to Premier or FCPX the shadows are very crushsed. But on camera the screen looked fine and it was exposed correctly. Am i doing something wrong in post? Thanks again for your time. If you are ever in Vegas let me know.
Needed this
Glad to hear it!!
Thank you for your advice!
Nice! I'm a canon shooter, but I work with a lot of Sony shooters, so this is helpful for my post workflow. Thanks for another great video!
Nice!!
Is a cinetone applicable to still as well ?
Very informative.
Very interesting video for sure......didn't know about the S-LOG3 with S-Cinetone. Nice! Depending on the situation I could see using both.
Thanks dude! Yeah I figured that would be a handy little “hack” for people
I don't color grade at all due to red/green color deficiency in my normal vision. I hope the s-cinetone profile will allow me to produce acceptable results SOC.
Regular looks great 🥳
With s-log 3 and s cinetone used together, do you still over expose by around +1.7 or is that different?
Yeah I still overexpose the same
This is great. I'm new to coloring, would like to learn more.
I’ve got a few videos up on my channel for ya!
Thanks for doing this comparison Dunna; this is super helpful. Is Cine4 just dead now that the a7siii as S-cinetone and 10-bit? It seemed like everyone was recommending that profile a couple years back. I'm interested in using this S-log-cinetone combo you mentioned, if only I had LUTs for that profile.... Maybe you should create and sell some ;)
Replicate these post settings in resolve and export it as a LUT!
I know this has absolutely nothing to do with the video. But I am really torn choosing the correct camera to capture my videos. Basically I want to start a Real Estate channel where I am going to be discussing different houses. And there is going to be some walking with the camera and I don't have a crew. So I need a camera with great autofocus and in camera stabilization for under 2K any suggestions?
What color grade you use
It's a fantastic and welcome addition to the A7Siii repertoire but as you say, not a direct replacement for S-Log3
Great to have the choice now though and will definitely be a major upgrade for those who don't want to color grade
100%
Is S-Cinetone available on A7c?
Good stuff!
Cheers dude!!
What are the best zebras settings for S-CINETONE? no sure if I missed that in the video... thank you!
Hey! S-cinetone has a Max of 109 (which is the highest zebras go) so if you’re just trying not to clip, I’d set it to 107 or so and make sure you don’t have any clipped areas.
@@dunnadidit ok thank you! 🙏🏼 i will try! I kept over exposing it so i gave up but wanted to try again.
@@armando.visuals Just set your zebras at 90% and you won’t overexpose. Over 100% is just asking for trouble!
@@Pfagnan i ended up with SLog3 Cine and HLG3. S-Cinetone felt over exposed even at 0 sometimes. Guess just couldn’t figured it out
Thanks a lot!
Thank you for the cinetone review. I decided to try HLG3 because it seems to have a good compromise of having some colors and a nice dynamic range. Also, Slog-3 requires an ND filter for sunny days as it starts on 640 ISO and I have to switch to F18 or more to compensate for it without a filter. Do you use Slog-3 with Cinetone colors or do you still prefer Slog-3 with Sgamut3.cine? It might be a better way than HLG3 if I use an ND filter. Also, what do you think about using different picture profiles for different settings for the same project? Say HLG3 for much light and Slog-3 for slightly darker environments, does it affect editing times or make it harder? Thank you again, very much appreciated..
Nice video! Might stick to Slog 3
This is one of those videos that are incredibly valuable, yet has no clicks because it's so specific. Will absolutely change my workflow. s-cinetone colors with the dynamic range of s-cinetone, incredible! Is there a way to do the color space transform thing in Premiere Pro?
Unfortunately, I don’t know if there is a way in premiere other than adding a transform lut but it’s not quite the same.
Thanks!!!
I'm confused there's 2 settigns, picutre profile and gamma. Do I set both of them to S cinetone for it to work or just the profile?
I edit in premiere so with it mess everything up? I dont have that transform thing
Dunna done explained it
LOVED your take on the S-Cinetone picture profile! Especially the little hack for using S-LOG 3 with the S-Cinetone. Going to have to try that one out for future videos. I'll be sticking with S-LOG 3 still for a majority of my shoots.
Glad to hear it was helpful! Thanks for watching!!
I have a question that may require video to answer fully. I am not a cinematographer. I shoot videos for my RUclips channel for my business. I don't have the time or desire to learn about color grading. I just want the best image I can get straight out of my A7s3. Do you have a recommendation for the settings you'd recommend for this scenario? I shoot mainly indoors.
Honestly, if you don’t want to grade at all... I would either use the new s-cinetone profile (PP11) or just use the standard look. It’s “what you see is what you get” with both of those so just expose it to look good on camera. I was honestly really happy with the look that they got on the standard profile in the a7s3. They’ve come a long way with skin tones.
@@dunnadidit awesome! Thanks for the quick reply. That's why you've been one of my favorites for a long time. I think I have a follow up question but I've already dropped my gear off where I'm recording tomorrow so I don't have access to my camera at the moment. Lol
hallo! how to set zebras in both profiles s cinetone and slog 3 and also how to exposure in both profiles(overxposed for ex by 1or 2 stops?
Maximum zebra level on s-log3 is 93 anything above that will clip. Maximum level on s-cinetone is 109. For s-log3 I generally try to expose to the right without clipping. For a-cine tone, I watch for clipping but for the most part I just use my eye to expose to what looks good in the monitor.
@@dunnadidit thank u!
I know this is incredibly niche but as a colorblind man this is EXACTLY what I need and I cant wait to give it a shot! Im sure my wife will be thrilled too as I wont have to pester her as much to check and make sure the whole image isnt incredibly blue lol
Hahah I totally feel you!!
Scuse me ! These tests done in 8 bit or 10 bit? Many Thanks
LMAO.. The intro was Epic LoL... Stay blessed
Nice. For a shoot, would love all these options. For shooting my silly face for RUclips videos, I'd just stick with what looks good assuming the WB is legit. Currently liking PP2, but that's because I don't have to color grade it on top of everything else. Nice vid man. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
Nice!! Yeah I think a lot of people will switch to this for that “as long as my white balance and exposure are decent I don’t have to touch it” look
certain situations call for certain picture profiles in my opinion! more controlled, ill do scinetone, uncontrolled environments will be slog3. dope video brother!
Agreed 100%. That’s pretty much the synopsis of the video I made on picture profiles haha.
I really am jealous of your video skills lol. I'm still on an a7RIII so no assassintone for me, but I know next to nothing about grading and stick to the standard color profile (with some tweaks to the saturation, thanks to Mr. Brockhurst for that advice!) and since I'm primarily a photographer who occasionally shoots video, that's absolutely cool with me -- I just can't grasp a lot of the video stuff, even though I'd like to!
You’ll get there! Just takes some work and determination haha
thank you for this amazing video
for me, the ''S-Cinetone'' is kinda ''Preset'' (I don't know if this is right to call it)
and we can get a similar look when we Color grading
Yeah that’s pretty close to the right idea! There’s a bit more to it than just that but that’s kind of how you can use it!
I really like the colors of S-Cinetone and wished it came to my Sony A7C. unfortunately I don't think this will happen, but then again it's smart business on Sony's side.
Yeah, I think they’ll probably keep it for their more expensive (or maybe just newer) cameras but if you understand the concepts and you really want that look, you might be able to get something similar with some grading!
Maybe you can replicate the look by tweaking the picture profiles I think someone has a profile for the A7 3 I can't remember the Chanel at the moment. I think extrashot a nice guy or something like that.
Great video thanks a lot.
I find S-Cinetone to boost a lot of magenta/red ish on skindtones, and find it a bit unnatural. Whats your take on this ?
Hey, i noticed the same thing on my a7s. Just did my first tests. But in comparison to "PP Off" the red boostit looks more true to life, maybe a bit to much.
thank u
Im not really fussed about the scinetone, hlg3 is my recent go to profile.
Nice.
Is it bad I like the standard image the best in all?
Not bad at all. I find it most pleasing a lot of the time too.
Doesn't look like real S-cinetone to me when we apply LUTS to Slog3 with Rec709 color space.
I use canon mostly but after seeing so many of Dunna’s videos I might actually consider switching to sony
Haha it’s pretty great over here!
hmmm... slog3... scinetone... that's the hack!!! what did you use for your talking head part? looked great!
The talking head stuff was all s-log3 😁👍🏼
@@dunnadidit with scinetone color or just slog3 with sgamut3.cine?
Just the regular ol s-gamut3.cine
Great video Dunna but I live Eterna way of life. 📸
Also Sony still has 4 unreleased cameras, do you think one of them is an APSC body or something like EOS RP type entry level full frame ? 🤔😅
I honestly have no idea what else they could put out at this point. Maybe some more apsc. We haven’t seen any of that in a minute.
@@dunnadidit yeah hoping they introduce new awesome camera like A7sIII in Apsc body 😍
@@animaxxx4429 fx30!
Can i update that in my sony a7iii?
Unfortunately they only made it an update for the a7siii so far.
@@dunnadidit Make sure to check out the S-cinetone "hack" by Extrashot for a7III! I tried it on my camera and it looks awesome and gets really close to the real S-cinetone. It's one of the videos shown in the intro.
Considering I went from a Canon M50 to a A7IV.... I think Cinetone is going to my best friend for a while...
It’s pretty slick for quick turnaround stuff
@@dunnadidit Absolutely. I think the best thing now with the upgrade is the option to learn how to use S-log eventually to make better videos.
Sony we need S-Cinetone for APS-C? 😜👍 Great Video🔥
Yeah, I wonder if we’ll see a new apsc body this year
@@dunnadidit I think there are 3 more Sony cameras scheduled to be announced this year, Fingers Crossed.
Haha jeez! They’ve been busy I guess!
Now you're #gradingdunna
Don't know which one I prefer... Asinnatoneh or Secinnabon 🤔
Ass in a tone. That’s what happens when you don’t skip leg day.
Sony are marketing geniuses. They knew that the word Cinetone would make everyone pi in their pants. OK, now I have the perfect profile and obviously since it's called cinetone I am capable of shooting a sequal to Gone With the Wind with absolutely no problems. I still don't understand why this magic color profile has not been compared to Cine 1 and 2 but more so to slog3. And what happened to slog2.
Anyway I just hope that you lucky people who have access to this miraculous profile will use it wisely and that it may be an inspiration and a stimulus to create beautiful cinematography.
I really don't get the need for setting the detail to anything below zero... When I feel like one of the big things people try to fight against when shooting with a consumer grade non cinema camera is smudginess. I feel to the client/random viewer its just going to subconsciously come across to them as lower resolution.
Nice Intro
Thanks!
Man I’m really considering selling my pocket 4K and a6400 for the a7siii, idk maybe I’m crazy for thinking that lol.
I don’t think you’re crazy at all
@@dunnadidit I know it’s a big investment. The pocket 4K has amazing image quality and I love BRAW but I don’t like the fact I have to have a huge rig to get the full use out of it. And I love the a6400 because it’s small and compact and I can run and gun, but the 8 bit codec falls apart with it. It’s half the reason I never use slog with it, because it’s becomes so blotchy with 8-bit. Obviously for photography the stills are amazing. I am a hybrid shooter, but I’m more focused on video. And I feel like 12MP is perfectly fine for social media.
I agree with everything you said.
@@dunnadidit I'm def gonna rent one for project and see if it fits my needs.
I did exactly that Holland Cloak Media. I had 2 x Pocket 4Ks and sold them both. The Sony advantage with image stabilisation and incredible face/eye/object auto focus tracking is just superb. The benefits list is very long! Great battery life, full frame image, weather sealed, amazing stills etc! I’ve been over the moon with my decision.
nice beard :D
Hi, i Use the scinetone profile with the Lemming lut. S cinetone movie Looks better with leeming lut as without or Natur.
. Its Not Wohle true That scinetone natur is ready to go, Looks flat and has week Contrast. Try it out, Use the leeming lut for scinetone and see it is more better as Natur.
Wonderful setup. Unfortunately had to stop watching cuz of those white screen flashes. Would you mind using darker backgrounds?
I'll keep that in mind! Thanks for letting me know!
WELL i think i'm doing the same as yours..
sscinnabon!!
The whole idea of cinematic is light and shadow . You seem to be in the mode of getting rid of shadow . I guess S-Cinetone would slow your row as far as LUT sales and tutorials but I say please don’t try to convince people that the right way is the wrong way.
Sorry, fail to see the benefit. If you so unconcerned with image quality and are unwilling to use S-log 3. Does this subtle difference really amount to anything? Don't get me wrong, another tool is always good but this one to me such a minor change that the subtle difference does not seem worth the effort.
S-Log3 needs to be graded.
S-cinetone doesn’t necessarily but has a slightly more filmic look straight out of camera. So if you don’t want to or don’t have time to grade... it can be quicker.
@@dunnadidit I understand the concept. Do you think S-cinetoneh :) looks better than the standard profile? I was saying I don't see the big benefit in that. Maybe I am missing something. In your example it only did a subtle adjustment to the yellow and it did not seem that big a deal to me. Perhaps you could show two videos so we could see the difference. Again it was so subtle I didn't think it was that big of a difference over standard profile. If you are saying it is some huge improvement I will have to take your word for it because I am not seeing it. In other words, I am not familiar enough with the effect to see a video and say.. OMG, that is the beautiful S-cinetone effect being used on that video... over the standard profile.
I hear you. I don’t think it’s supposed to be a big massive change. Just the subtle tweaks to the color and the change in the luminance curve to make it look a bit more filmic. And I think they’ve succeeded. It’s super subjective whether it looks “better” or not and might be situational depending on what you need but I do think that it succeeds at what they were trying to do with it. When I see the standard profile, it looks like a video camera, when I see a-cinetone, it looks a little more “cinematic”
@@dunnadidit Thanks for the info. I will look again and try to see what you are seeing, video camera vs more cinema like. Thanks