Vengeance Stage 4 vs. Bone Stock
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- Опубликовано: 30 янв 2023
- My project to build my bone stock C6 Corvette Z06 into a car that can hang with a modern Porsche 911 GT3 on the street and the track has been running into problems at almost every turn. To get my enthusiasm turned up I went to visit a friend who has a 2007 Corvette Z06 that's been modified with Pfadt coilovers and sway bars, a Vengeance Racing Stage 4 build, and a few other mods. My friend also happens to own a 2019 Porsche 911 GT3 RS and the 2013 Ariel Atom supercharged I used to own. We work on ride height and corner balancing the Atom and then take "Code Blue" the built C6Z out for a test drive.
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The C6 Z06 will always be a sought-after classic.
Mention Vengeance Racing and you always get my attention. Top notch, professional, and # 1 in the industry for aftermarket HP for Corvettes/Camaros. They did my build in 2017 and my C5Z is still tight and right. I don't let anyone else touch my Vette, not even to put air in the tires.
Hahahahaha, glad to see the Doc is happy with his Z06. You two zipping around was fun to watch. Really enjoying your videos too, you do a great job, clear, concise and fun to watch. Say Howdy to Rayan and tell him the "Gunsmith" with the old Atomic Orange Z06 enjoyed a peek at Code Blue. All the best with Goldie.
Great video. Loved the perspective of code blue by you
Thank you once again for the c6 z06 content !!
That is a great C6Z build and the cam isn’t super annoying. LeMans Blue is the best!
Cannot wait for the next video. Your are putting out great content! Like and subscribed for sure.
I got Callaway shocks for mine, can't wait to put them on when the cold weather finally decides to bugger off.
Thanks Vlad! I'm in the process of shopping for a coil-over kit. Lots of choices out there.
@@JoshVanVeld Almost (ok....I really!) envy the choice you have over the pond, especially not needing technical inspection for brakes / suspension (I mean modifications), here it's much more strict. No chop chop, no lumpy idle, very few header+cats combination allowed.... Can't wait for Goldie progress, wish you good luck!
@@JoshVanVeld I'm curious to see what you chose. I went with KW on my Audi, I'm not all that impressed with them. I used Motion for my Viper, they're awesome, but pricey. I have the QA1 coil overs on my SL-C, their nothing special. I still need to do my DD C6Z, so I'm looking forward to your feedback on whatever you pick.
I'd be tempted to go with some aggressive Bilstein coil overs on the C6Z. I'd always liked every set I've ever had and they are generally reasonably priced.
I like them stock with revised valve guides
Really cool seeing a similar build a few steps down the road from yours. That’s #goals right? Now I’ve just got to find a Z06… 😈
That white NA C5 Z06 is their best built.
love the content. i loved hearing that you felt suh a big differencec in the suspension. My z06 has a fully buildt 600whp high compression engine, Essex apracing kit on all 4 corners, Uniballs, amt camber lock kit etc. pretty much everything is done, except for swaybars and coilovers and the car is a missile, but it let down by very soft/underdamped suspenion and just a "unstable" feel at high speeds, will be getting upgraded swaybars and coilovers i think :D
Hell yeah! What made you decide to go monoball vs. delrin? Did you go with AMT for bushings? Sounds like the coilovers and sway bars will be the finishing touch on your build. Let me know what you decide to go with, I'm currently weighing options.
@@JoshVanVeld previous owner did a lot of the expensive mods, i was sceptical about running uniballs, but they are fully streetable, i think he just got them because it seemed like the most badass/expensive option like most of the stuff he did. i drove this on the nurburgring with 600whp and stock suspension parts and 345/295 cup2 tires and it was truly terrifying to drive a car the goes like a porsche turbo, but with really soft suspension.
I have been looking into either Bilstein MDS gt3 spec coilovers, Öhlins, or Gspeed Penske coilovers and will also be changing the swaybars to match. I feel the car could be a absolute weapon with good suspenion as the final touch.
@@JoshVanVeld monoballs are good just will have to be replaced more than delrin. Delrin will last longer. Also JRi coilovers best of best.
@@hfracing just get Jri coilovers, best ones.
@@hfracing what kind of motor/trans mounts do u have ?
That’s a pretty low whp for a stage 4. Wonder why? Mines stage 3 from vengeance and made 600whp.
I found your channel because I went down the gt3 rabbit hole online recently. I was like “ok, really bad idea!! The gt3 is insane. My mind immediately goes, ok, I can’t afford a gt3 (or any modern Porsche ), so what are my other options to achieve an experience like the gt3. So I’m anxious to see what you find out with the c6 z06 as a gt3 plan B.
Well sir, you've come to the right place!
Told myself if I can’t get a MK4 Toyota Supra the c6 z06 next best thing
@@twinturbo1995 First fast car I rode in was a built MK4 Supra. First REALLY fast car I rode in was a C6 ZR1.
corvette would be way more interesting to drive imo. Plus proper suspension type from the factory both front and rear; and obviously way pore power potential.
You can prolly get most of the way there in a Camaro SS ZL1 1LE -Trim.
Yeah bone stock is like a Geo Metro compared to HCI with full exhaust fuel system upgrade and all the other supporting mods 😊 can't believe I even remembered that GM made that car haven't seen one in 30 years 😂
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FYI I run AP/Essex BBK on my e36 dual purpose car with Ferodo ds2500 no noise at all on street. Zero issues at Road A from a fade perspective in fact Essex will recommend you close brake ducting the rotors are so efficient with heat. Don’t know if that applies to z06 but you may want to consult with them.
Will do. Let me know if you want to come do a guest day at AMP sometime, I'd love to check out your E36!
Would you happen to know what brand that zr1 rear spoiler is from on the blue z06?
What was your impression with the Pfadt suspension? I initially wrote that off because I assumed it would be too harsh for street use. Was that the case? Was it on the softest setting?
I was wondering the same but with the blue Z also having larger sway bars might also play into how it rode. I've been looking into getting a set of LG Motorsports coil over suspension for when I seal the deal on a C6Z of my own.
They were not on their softest setting. Rayan told me but I forgot what he said. Somewhere around half way I think. Perfectly comfortable on the street. Good quality coilovers don't beat you up.
@@TheWolfMatt I was surprised when Rayan told me he felt like 60% of the difference in the suspension feel came from the sway bars. I haven't been giving sway bars enough credit I guess.
Once you start messing with your suspension, you'll spend so much track time adjusting things and there is very little to gain over the stock setup.
Sounds like that blue car would have traction issues that would prevent it from lapping at the same pace as a 991 gt3, 2500rpm peak tq would get in the way, whatever you build not sure power needs to be part of the equation until everything else is sorted. brakes, suspension, chassis, and maybe more to lightwieght the car, once you get there it will likely still need more in terms of power to consistently do laps. So much work lol just get a gt3 instead or mod your turbo if its not gone 🤪
I have an 06 Z06 virtually identical to the car Josh drove. Mine has 550rwhp and 500rwtq. Has Pfadt coilovers, Pfadt racing sway bars, Delrin bushes all round, Girodisc floating rotors and Carbotech pads. The car is 95% street driven (with road trips of up to 2,500 miles) with the occasional track day. When tracking I run a spare set of Z06 wheels with 295 / 345 Hoosier R7s and traction is not an issue. With the R7's up to temp the car has awesome traction. Yes on the street (Pilot Sport 4S's) there are some traction issues on some surfaces but I would not trade this for the experience of the ease of high gear acceleration that the high torque provides. Don't get me wrong, I love GT3 cars and Porsches in particular, but a 7,000+rpm 7 litre car is an absolute blast to drive road or track and the traction keeping you on your toes is part of that driver experience😎
How was the suspension different with sway bars and coilovers? Can you go more in depth on that statement?
I’d really need to drive them both back to back on the track to have a more technical description. The car had a feeling of hugging the road and the feedback through the wheel felt heavier and tighter. I suspect that under those conditions the stiffer sway bars were responsible for most of that sensation.
@@JoshVanVeld that's what's I hear, that the sway bars by themselves make a huge difference, but mainly the front since I guess the rear is already real stiff. And I'm sure coilovers just puts the cherry on top
Why did you put on that crappy intake manifold on that, ??? there is a much better one..
500 lb-ft of torque from 2500 flat to 6500? Lol, nope. Maybe a ZR1.
I’ll ask him for the dyno chart 😀
@@JoshVanVeld Yeah do it! I have a full HCI C6 ZO6 and have seen countless dynos of other setups. The ZR1 has that type of torque down low but not H/C ZO6's.
Car makes 450tq from 3700 to 6600