Kyungsoo is really a great example! He has a very specific style when it comes to sing but we all know he is a very good vocalist despite the style he has chosen
That's why EXO's music discography is wild. From pop, ballads, rock, RnB, funk, EDM, etc etc. They can do almost any genre with justice because they have vocalists with great technique. 😁
Jonghyun came to mind immediately. he used a back-of-the-throat placement a lot, but it always seemed like a choice, because he would throw in the odd open & forward-placed belt or go super soft at times. he really did whatever he wanted with his voice because he COULD. i miss him sooo much. love this vid :P that balance is the ultimate goal, so important but so challenging!
I'm a baby Shawol and tbh Jonghyuns voice is pretty much going up my fav vocalist ranking as I hear Shinees discography, he was so talented!😍Care to share some of his performances where he showcases the best of his vocal abilities? I'd love to see him in action.🥰
@Rozzness Quasimodo, Sleepless nights, Into my Room, Please Don't Go, live performances from Shinee, Cocktail, Moon, Crazy, and Hallelujah by Jonghyun LIVE
Kyungsoo is one of my favourite vocalist i think when on his early debut days he was focusing on technique more now he built a great balance between the two
I think vocalists like Doyoung and Wendy find a healthy balance between style and skill. I was watching Doyoung’s behind the scenes recoding of ‘From Little Wave’ and ‘Dallas Love Field’ and Wendy’s Cosmic recording, and they brought their unique style without compromising technique
Spot on! Like Water EP and Wish You Hell EP accurately show Wendy's style and skill. Like Water EP showcases her technical prowess such as belts, dynamics, registers, etc., whereas Wish You Hell EP allows us to look into another side of hers -- her capability of taking on different styles to express herself as a singer. Even though I'm not a fan of her stylistic choices sometimes, I'm still happy that she gets to have it as an avenue for self-expression and growth. (As we all now, SM had mostly dictated her career trajectory. Oh, I have a lot to say about this.)
imo (as a classically trained violinist), style is extremely important, but it should never EVER precede technique. first, it's harmful, you'll end up worse than where you started. second, you just won't sound good. singing, or any other skill for that matter, is like building a house. technique = the overall structure whereas style is, well, the aesthetics. would you buy a really pretty house if it were just rotten and full of problems inside or would you rather buy a slightly basic (maybe even a little ugly) house that is really sturdy for the same price? chances are you would buy the uglier house because there is less work to be done in order to maintain a proper living condition. same thing with singing. you should never sacrifice your overall stability and vocal health over a style that you can't perform safely. this is where i get into why style is important. style differentiates you from everything else. in order to be noticed or appeal to other people, you need style. basing this off the house example, would you buy an ugly house or a pretty house if both were well built and are the same price? more likely you would choose the pretty house, right? however, as much as style is important as it sets you different from others, there is a point where style becomes too much. if you are too different or your interpretation of a piece is in a completely opposite direction of what the original composer wanted, then it becomes weird and unsettling. kinda like an extremely maximalist house in the middle of a neighborhood with other "normal" looking houses. you would tend to avoid that house unless it appears to you. a real life example of this would be heifetz playing the violin. he is an extremely talented violinist, but he plays slow songs too fast, distracting the listener from the original meaning, making it feel weird. this was a rant, so forgive me if some things are a lil wonky. i must address that pretty vs ugly is very subjective and is not the perfect analogy, but i tried.
you're so right (not that you don't know that). personally, i basically just copied ariana grande while learning to sing and, whew, that damaged my voice for life tbh. it's a tough journey to master both skill and style, but especially after going into it just caring about sounding cool. i wish i could tell little me that, and all new singers - it's so important!!
Everything violin was way too easy for Heifetz haha. Man oh man, I would KILL to hear a live performance of Sibelius, Tchaikovsky, Bach, or Brahms by the likes of Heifetz, Oistrakh, Milstein, Elman, all those great fiddlers 😓.
@@thenameisseanhong clearly not everything, as he can't play slower-paced pieces as well as others who are objectively not as good as him. ofc, i would love to hear him play live as well, but probably not something like meditation from thais. he's a very technical player, but his style is wayyyy too fast-paced for me. oistrakh and perlman are probably, in my opinion, much better all-rounders compared to heifetz.
When I was young, my teacher said I was too obsessed in sounding like Mariah Carey since imitated her so much. She said "Well... In 5 years you'll sound extremelly great, but this isn't how you become a virtuoso, and this isn't how you'll keep your virtuoso title for 50 years"
A good example of an artist who DEFINITELY has style without compromising technique imo, while not K-POP, is Ado. She can basically do any genre because of her amazing technique. Don't believe me? Literally look at any of her songs, or some of her live performances she's nuts.
Queen of vocal distortions no doubt. I guess that to do them healthly you always have to be intentional, so one would not hurt them self because a lot of presition is necessary for advanced distortions.
Purely accidentaly stumbled upon her music couple of weeks ago while listening recomended songs on streaming app and since then obsessed with her vocals.
Style without proper technique is like a ticking time bomb. Sure, it will define you and people might notice you instantly, but limitation becomes boundary where you stay in loop can't find any other genre or tunes that suit you, and it will become boring in a long run for the audience since you will probably sing it the same on and on. Sure, when it goes great it will be amazing but it's a gamble especially on a higher technique you havent yet to achieved. It would the case of some days you achieve it, some days you just aren't. Always learn the basic and strive for more technique difficulties, it will become way easier to choose a song, choose a stylistic approach to sing, even remix a song and make it your own. It's also elevate your characteristic (in terms of vocal) even better.
I love Kyungsoo's vocal style and his vocal tone, and I definitely think his voice is quite unique. All I want right now is to hear more variety of songs from his so we can see the capacity of this delicious voice.
Jonghyun is one of the rarest examples of the one who is able to combine style and technique perfectly together and it made for one of the best charismatic performer ever. Also on the lower end of things I find Hanni's honey like voice style to be extremely suiting for her yet it is proficient enough for her to be able to sing most of the songs. Nayeon is also incredibly stylistic and can do it to a degree, just not in the songs where she is out of that range😊
Yess I hate how JYP/producers make Nayeon and other artists strain their voices to hit that high note when it could be so much better a note lower in their range!!!!!!
@@thriftskull5549 JYP strained Nayeon's voice hard in songs like ICSM and Fancy and its honestly sad because vocally speaking she's competent but not to that level. She really should've gotten lower notes. And speaking of JYP I'm also still baffled by their decision on making Cheshire's chorus insanely high that even the likes of Lily found it difficult to sing.
Never really been the biggest fan of highly stylistic performers, whether that be vocalists (e.g. those "cursive" singers) or dancers (the likes of Badvillain's Emma and P1Harmony's Soul). Versatility >>> style.
@@refilwejas9021 I agree that Hyunjin tends to stick out like a sore thumb (the combination of his being the tallest member with the longest limbs, his long ass neck and weird upper body alignment, and at times excessive tension), but San? In my opinion, despite his (hella) muscular build, San still harmonises well with his members.
I love Heeseung's voice so much. He is my favorite male K-pop vocalist along with D.O. from Exo. His voice and singing tone are attractive. I am just sad about the fact that HYBE is just pushing him to sing the most demanding lines of all of Enhypen's songs without giving him proper and regular vocal lessons. Maybe some years later, Heeseung will take it into his own hands to get vocal lessons. I am excited for that time it happen.
That's kinda the mindset Hybe has towards ALL of their main vocalists, Belift and Source M. included (not talking pledis groups). They usually put every vocally demanding line onto the main vocalist/s and then leave the others with easier parts which is so detrimental and puts so much pressure onto them 'cus most, if not all the time, they cannot or struggle to pull those parts off 😭
That’s completely normal in K-pop though. Look at EXO they relied mostly on their three best singers. Same with ateez, stray kids, etc. Jake has the most potential imo. Jay does his part well, though he’s clearly a dancer first. But I see Niki is trying to strengthen his singing. Sunoo is shaky but if he stabilizes he can take on more. Right now they seem pretty overworked though. It’s unfortunate.
This essay reminds me of Billie Eilish. When she first debuted, i always thought that vocal is not her focus since her style of singing is too breathy, or sometimes too low. But, when i saw her interview regarding her song ‘What Was I Made For?’, those are actually the vocal style that she purposely chose in order to fit the theme of the song. And I was actually shocked when i listen to her plain vocal (w/o those heavy style) because her vocal skills is so beautiful. That’s when i truly felt ‘Wow, that’s art’. And i think she’s able to make those stylistic choices cause she have solid basic vocal skills
D.O. is the best example of Talent-meets-Skill. This man has the best voice tone (not debatable), has impressive agility and mobility, a unique skill set at his disposal (ex. his amazing use of growl, which is hard to master), emotional connection, sounds great singing foreign songs, genre-versatile, humility, etc. Simply the best.
The amount of people who commented D.O. is such a joy. When i understood yhe the context of the video, he's the only that came to mind. Gladly I'm not the only one who thinks so.
for the 6 years of my life ive hidden my bad technique with 'stylistic choices' in the voice n only this year tried to actually work on the right technique n damn !! this is like life-changing. not only it gives u much more power over ur voice n options available, but most importantly oh how confident u suddenly feel!
So many people have mentioned Jonghyun from SHINee and they’re so right. But also worthwhile is Onew from SHINee. His vocal tone is unlike anyone else in the business. In an episode of IU’s Palette, she told him that he has her favorite male voice in the industry. I describe it as “honey megaphone sunshine smile.” It’s SO INTERESTING. For a wonderful example of both, check out Onew and Jonghyun’s performance at SHINee world V called “Please Don’t Go.” Jonghyun’s usage of dynamics is especially notable in this one. (Also, to be fair, ALL of the SHINee boys have interesting voices, from Taemin’s, as you’ve touched on, to Key’s slightly nasal belt, and Minho’s rich lower tone)
This isn’t a mention of a stylistic vocalist with balance (some may disagree) but I really hate YG for pushing Bom with stylistic vocals that damaged her vocals. They knew she already had lymphatic nodes problem in the beginning of their career but still risked it for “vocal color” signature within YG. She still has a beautiful voice and style now, but I just missed her vocals in We Belong Together and Forever With You feature with Big Bang. Her vocals sounded healthier then. :(
For me personally I feel like Hwasa of MAMAMOO is quiet nice example of balance as well! I mean her covers clearly show which direction she is aiming her voice to and what sound she wants to achieve. I mean c'mon, her intro in Delilah in Immortal Songs 2 is just sooo good!
You’re so right about intention with stylistic vocals. I’ve always listened to a lot of rock music. I wanted to sound like the artists. So, I’d try mimicking their growls and gravely sound in their voices. It would make my voice so hoarse! It wasn’t until I started training myself to support my notes and focus on only accessing the healthy part of my range that I was able to start incorporating techniques like growling while not feeling like I’m putting any strain on my vocal cords. It’s the same as any other skill. Playing an instrument. Kicking a soccer ball. Painting a picture. You see those with advanced levels of training pulling off these insane techniques and you want to do exactly what they do. But you can’t take any shortcuts. You need to master the basics and use that as a foundation to build off of.
ik she isn't kpop but beyonce likes to "growl" when singing (idk the exact term) for many years now & she sounds amazing but when male idols do it..😅 turn it off!
Yep... Well Beyonce's one of the best use of growl because compared to many singers, she places that in her nose and not in her throat, kinda like snoring and that's a healthy growl
I know this doesn’t really have a direct bearing on the video, but OMG the KPOP industry has a huge problem when it comes to playing the backtrack so loud it ruins the experience. Taehyun in particular is these clips like no wonder idols have no idea what their own voices even sound!
Can we talk about the pitch correction on Jennie’s mic in her first clip? This is not hate, it’s an industry thing I know. It’s just so egregious I think it’s worrying people are starting to lose the ability to pick it out anymore. It’s this trend of artistic things becoming more automated and artificial. Idk, vocals aren’t meant to be pitch perfect.
i'd love to hear more about what you think are shortcomings in siyeon's technique! i personally love her voice and especially her vibrato, but i might not be as good at noticing technical limits. imo her style isn't too in your face to be the only thing i hear, (whereas i found it more obvious for taehyun) but i'd love to hear your thoughts more!
Nah he's got beef with Siyeon. He thinks she's overrated and always uses the 2-3 same clips of her. Most of those clips he uses are ones at concerts where Siyeon is just having fun. And yet, critique her as if she's trying to be perfect in those instances. 😅 Just seems like he doesn't like her technique. He also claimed once that Siyeon had developed nodes, yet it was SuA who did. Siyeon never had issues with her voice. She's been singing well before being an idol, have been in a rock band in highschool. She knows herself and what she can do.
@@PieonaneunFlower literally. i mean, just listen to what he says in this video. he claims to have ‘valid concerns’ about how siyeon is supposedly singing in that style just because she can’t hit the notes otherwise ??? lmao. clearly he hasn’t listened to many of dreamcatcher’s bsides then, where you can easily find siyeon singing without ‘relying on’ her usual rock style. he brings up an otherwise reasonable point about how some idols use vocal style as a crutch, then decides to just try to make it about siyeon because he can’t come up with a decent example.
The delulu in these replies. Lol. Look, if you really love Siyeon, then I'm sure you'd want her to continue singing as long as she'd want to. Not have to retire early because she damaged her vocal cords by singing wrong. 🤨
@@mentalmaker03 genuinely though, how is she singing wrong? like i'm obviously biased but i can't tell that she's damaging her voice. i could be unaware though!
Hey! Jade Thirlwall just dropped her single and just like you said, she seems to be the one who's gonna become more interesting. 😄 i mean i love perrie and leigh but her debut single is making a buzz now.
Haechan came to my mind immediately. He has a pretty unique style in singing and u can recognize it easily, and it’s also backed with really good vocals techniques
Literally nobody ever talk about Taeyeon, Jessica, Seohyun, Luna, Krystal, Hyolyn and most importantly, Ailee and Eunji. Thankfully, this video mentions Ailee. These women are the vocal powerhouses of Kpop. They have fully developed and advanced vocal techniques and can really sing in style without straining.
A singer with style and technique imo is Minnie of Gidle. She is well known for her siren-like/airy voice; and she also has a good technique (we can see it particularly in Lee Mujin's service). The thing is that in Gidle songs her voice isn't allowed to be at it's full potential; the producers/Soyeon mainly focus on her unique tone; and i believe that's why she's majoritarly known for her style, and a lot of people underestimate her technique (imo). I find it quite sad bcs I think Minnie could be so much more than just the soft/fantasy-like type of singer (bcs of how her stylized her voice is in idle's songs) but she don't get to shine that much in their groups songs (neither Miyeon btw). For example, Red Velvet Wendy, who is just... you know... Wendy... can shine in their groups songs (there's always a few high notes, adlibs or a specifically high-skill required part in their songs) ; and she gets to show maybe not her full but a lot of her potential; which is not the case with Minnie or either Miyeon... I really hope someday Minnie will go solo so she can show what she is capable of doing or just one of Gidle's songs letting her vocal skills and not only style, shine. Yeah Minnie can't be really compared to Wendy skill and technical wise, I just took her as an exemple bcs she is the first idol that came to my mind when I thought of an idol who is highlighted by their group's songs. This is just my opinion and doesn't mean I don't like Idle's songs (they're my ult group) but more of like a thing i noticed through my years of stanning as a Neverland... I'm really curious about what y'all think about this situation !
Deceitful Soyeon hater. + With stupid logic. And in Minnie & Yuqi songs, which make up half of both full albums and 2/3 of all new era mini albums, who is stopping her from realizing her 'full' potential? ...They are completely responsible for their songs. And they all have different co-composers, lyriucists and arrangers. P.S. Most K-pop fans are simply idiots.
i understand but i still dont like most "technically proficient" voices as much as i like those with some level of technique and tone. like i'd rather listen to an "average" technique singer like rosé, giselle, isa, seungmin, jungkook (just some examples) with good and unique tone over a proficient technical singer. exceptions exist- like wheein or hwasa, but mostly i just dont like technical singers as much.
Thanks for the video, I agree overall. It would be nice to see an update on the singers you use as examples since some clips are older. Are they regressing, improving? Maybe both, in certain areas. One thing I’d like is more detail on what technique you’re actually criticizing and complimenting. Back on the video topic, a good example Janis Joplin, an incredible artist who touched so many with her raw voice. But I heard she was never trained & that it was harmful, along with her lifestyle. This may be a myth but i heard that later in her career she actually improved. Many think criticizing bad/off technique means they’re terrible. It doesn’t diminish our enjoyment or their music imo.
While I was watching this I was thinking of Kyungsoo. I've been thinking that something has changed in his style of singing. His solo songs are more on laid back, comforting side. It feels like his style of singing now (w/ his solo songs) is like " talking while singing", laid back, effortless. I love his songs but I can't help but to look for the ways he used to sang before. I attended his fancon, and I also seen some of his guestings ( like the one with Akmu) and I feel like he was having a little difficulty in hitting highnotes. I'm thinking of his new stye of singing affected his "muscle memory". I know he wasn't really a belter like chen and baekhyun but in his early yrs as kpop he used to hit highnotes too. I hope you can make video about the changes in music style, vocal techniques of idols ( while being part of their groups vs solo songs), like kyungsoo's, wheein, Jayb, solar, chen, baekhyun, Taeyeon.
Hey I just stumbled across this channel and just have a quick question (no hate at all just genuine question) Do you have any like any background or credentials in music such as maybe being a music teacher?
great video as usual... i was wondering you never seem to mention Lee Soo-hyun from Akmu... who is supposed to be a good vocalist. I am not asking because I am a fan but because I am really curious about your opinion. Sometimes there is a general agreement that someone is a good vocalist but then someone with better knowledge will not agree. I was reminded of Lee Soo-hyun after watching this video because she was with Rose in some edition of the tv show Begin Again and it was interesting to notice how, in my opinion, EXTREMELY "stylistic" was Rose´s choice of singing and how non-stylistic was Lee Soo-hyun singing. I am REALLY curious about your opinion. Rose Onew and Lee Soo-hyun sang together in that show and it was very interesting noticing the different approaches to singing.
I think you just explained why I am fed up with Heeseung’s vocals and get tired of Enha’s songs after a while despite being an Engene. I hope he and the other members are able to improve and reach even new heights in their vocals
My favorite singer everrrr is Gackt and he has the most interesting sounding voice I’ve ever heard. I know he’s spoken a bit about how his singing style hurt his voice over the decades though. I love his power ballads like secret garden and memories SO much but his recent music tends to be a bit less vocally demanding
Really good video as always but I can’t help but also wonder if you’ll talk about these topics with western pop and singers included too! Obviously, if u prefer contextualising your videos to just kpop that’s fine too, i just am always curious as to what you’d say cos I like ur videos🖤
I have seen so many people give you crap for your opinions on Siyeon and I always just keep my opinions to myself because it's not worth arguing with strangers on the internet lol Dreamcatcher is the group that brought me into the K-Pop world, and the first group I truly fell in love with and continue to adore. and I LOVE Siyeon's voice! But I think the concerns are valid, and I don't think it's bad to raise said concerns. The fact that people tie showing concern with 'bashing' is just ridiculous to me, but I can say that until I'm blue in the face and there will still always be people arguing against it. I think it's deeply satisfying to see growth in artists, and how are they supposed to grow if everyone constantly tells them they're perfect, especially if their technique is potentially doing damage in the long-term? I think there's a very normal, neutral middle ground of pointing out room for growth while still commending what already exists, and for what it's worth, I think you do a very good job at staying in that middle ground.
I'm pretty sure people are "annoyed" because he uses the same clips as examples. There are songs specially ballads that you can hear her supporting high notes without any type of stylistic choice. For example 4 memory or even recently fireflies. We can agree she isn't the best singer of her gen but she has variety, huge vocal range and personal style. And when people claim her vocals are getting worse it's so nonsense for me as she has shown nothing more than improvement over the years. I do think it could be concerning if she showed problems with reaching the notes over a long period of time, but if there wasn't any drastic change in 10 years of singing we can assume it isn't such a big problem. The only thing I noticed is that the high amount of tours and events have make all the girls a bit overworked and they sound more tensed during all the Apocalypse era. They should let them rest more taking to account they always try to sing live even if it's over the backtrack. Sorry if this comes as arguing because that's not my intention, I just wanted to add my opinion over it and I can totally get what you mean.
Not best tier in Gen4, Sunoo is quite good as a singer. Unfortunately, there was a lot of hatred from antis outside fandom toward him in 2021-2022. In the end of 2021 covid restriction was reduced, Enhypen began to make offline stage and more busy schedule. In the middle 2022, Sunoo had to take hiatus for 2 months. No idol would ever choose hiatus, unless his health condition is quite bad, not just common flu nor mild injury. Concert in Japan (Manifesto World Tour) Sunoo was almost absen due to his health condition. 2023-2024, Enhypen have more hectic schedule. I see that Sunoo begins to be in stuck condition for his vocal skill. Sunoo has taken hiatus in 2022, it seems he chooses to maintain his health condition as #1 priority than other additional activity. Probably, he prefers having rest than doing additional personal training (gym, vocal, etc). Maintaining health is more important than increasing his skill. Not just Sunoo, I see Jungwon, Jake, and Heeseung are in the same condition: stuck in vocal skill due to their heavy busy schedule.
He doesn’t actually mention Doyoung, but he does show footage of Jaehyun. He has said that Doyoung is a favorite of his. I don’t dare make a list of popular and well regarded vocalists who leave me cold: some of them are in this video, and people would be coming after me with pitchforks if I named them. I will say that my main problem with many K-pop vocal groups (especially 4th gen boy groups) is that their voices are practically interchangeable: I can close my eyes and have no idea who’s singing. A major reason I love NCT 127 is that each member has a distinct vocal tone.
I just don't really know what you expect from insomnias when you talk about Siyeon and her technique like that It's like the same record over and over again I don't know much about singing and no matter if your characterization is true or not, it is definitely upsetting and annoing on the third repetition Also a bit weird that you used a clip where she tries to be louder then backing vocals. I agree that she sounds forced in that clip, but she doesn't sound like that all the time I'm your casual watcher, but I guess your channel will be marked with "do not reccomend" from now on I'm just annoyed at this point your opinion or my opinion won't change her technique anyway
Would you please make a video about jimin vocal on his new song "who". The song his very autotuned thats true but i think his vocal has improved since that one encore. Especially after watching his jimmiy fallon performance and these live practice clip.
Army behaviour is complete trash can't take any criticism BTS vocal is still below mid whatever army say to glorified and force tejor opinion on others. They haven't improved at all. Just accept them as how it's.
@@shotanextdoor it matter bc idols are human beings who have names pronounced a certain way and is respectful try to pronounce it correctly? Don’t know exactly which names he could mispronounced but there is no need to act defensive or dismissive if someone ask to pronounce names correctly lol
@@shotanextdoor getting someone's name right is bare minimum tbh. It's constructive criticism and they were very respectful, idk why you responded so defensively
Technics mean nothing if you are unappealing to the audience, dont have catchy songs and stage presence. People judge artist as a whole, not only his vocals but only sm stan are obsessed with their fave's shouting high notes and dont understand why it is outdated opinion. There are many good vocalists everywhere, better than sm clones who sound the same but there are much less good performers and even less good artists. So, keep being delulu, sm akgaes, you are funny. Sehun and Mark being more popular than so-called vocal kings is very good example.
Just from your comment, i know whose fans you are. You are butthurt because people are praising SM idol's vocal, even though no one talking about entertainment agency here. Keep barking, cause that's all you can do. Enjoy your idols popularity. We'll enjoy our favourite idol's talent. Thank you for your attention.
@@linadecrava895 im enjoying my fave's voices, songs, perfornances, popularity, thanks for your concern. A Oh, I just noticed that I forgot to add to Sehun and Mark Irene and Karina. So, once again, the most popular in their groups sm idols are not vocal kings🤣 and looking at Chen... Yup, I totally believe that sm stans care about vocals (nope🤣)
Kyungsoo is really a great example! He has a very specific style when it comes to sing but we all know he is a very good vocalist despite the style he has chosen
That's why EXO's music discography is wild. From pop, ballads, rock, RnB, funk, EDM, etc etc. They can do almost any genre with justice because they have vocalists with great technique. 😁
It's the same for older SM groups like Shinee or Super Junior.
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@AkazaROO For me, it's f(x), I was extremely surprised when their vocals sounded so effortless.
Recommend me some good exo songs
Jonghyun came to mind immediately. he used a back-of-the-throat placement a lot, but it always seemed like a choice, because he would throw in the odd open & forward-placed belt or go super soft at times. he really did whatever he wanted with his voice because he COULD. i miss him sooo much.
love this vid :P that balance is the ultimate goal, so important but so challenging!
jonghyun truly was a gift. i always wonder where his career would be if he hadn't passed ❤he had insane talent, skill, style, and vision
Jonghyun did interesting stuff with his voice. I really wish I could hear him cover Unholy by Sam Smith.
I'm a baby Shawol and tbh Jonghyuns voice is pretty much going up my fav vocalist ranking as I hear Shinees discography, he was so talented!😍Care to share some of his performances where he showcases the best of his vocal abilities? I'd love to see him in action.🥰
@Rozzness look up his si Ella fuera stage and excuse me miss (SHINee World V). He does some WILD things in these stages
@Rozzness Quasimodo, Sleepless nights, Into my Room, Please Don't Go, live performances from Shinee, Cocktail, Moon, Crazy, and Hallelujah by Jonghyun LIVE
Kyungsoo is one of my favourite vocalist i think when on his early debut days he was focusing on technique more
now he built a great balance between the two
I think vocalists like Doyoung and Wendy find a healthy balance between style and skill. I was watching Doyoung’s behind the scenes recoding of ‘From Little Wave’ and ‘Dallas Love Field’ and Wendy’s Cosmic recording, and they brought their unique style without compromising technique
And Wendy basically had a cold when recording Cosmic.
@@Yo99753that woman never fails to amaze me, I really wonder where she's gonna be five to ten years from now
@@mymelodramaticantics Definitely successful.
Yes! Doyoung has such a distinctive style that makes him shine so much aside from his powerful voice ❤
Spot on! Like Water EP and Wish You Hell EP accurately show Wendy's style and skill. Like Water EP showcases her technical prowess such as belts, dynamics, registers, etc., whereas Wish You Hell EP allows us to look into another side of hers -- her capability of taking on different styles to express herself as a singer. Even though I'm not a fan of her stylistic choices sometimes, I'm still happy that she gets to have it as an avenue for self-expression and growth. (As we all now, SM had mostly dictated her career trajectory. Oh, I have a lot to say about this.)
imo (as a classically trained violinist), style is extremely important, but it should never EVER precede technique. first, it's harmful, you'll end up worse than where you started. second, you just won't sound good. singing, or any other skill for that matter, is like building a house. technique = the overall structure whereas style is, well, the aesthetics. would you buy a really pretty house if it were just rotten and full of problems inside or would you rather buy a slightly basic (maybe even a little ugly) house that is really sturdy for the same price? chances are you would buy the uglier house because there is less work to be done in order to maintain a proper living condition. same thing with singing. you should never sacrifice your overall stability and vocal health over a style that you can't perform safely.
this is where i get into why style is important. style differentiates you from everything else. in order to be noticed or appeal to other people, you need style. basing this off the house example, would you buy an ugly house or a pretty house if both were well built and are the same price? more likely you would choose the pretty house, right?
however, as much as style is important as it sets you different from others, there is a point where style becomes too much. if you are too different or your interpretation of a piece is in a completely opposite direction of what the original composer wanted, then it becomes weird and unsettling. kinda like an extremely maximalist house in the middle of a neighborhood with other "normal" looking houses. you would tend to avoid that house unless it appears to you. a real life example of this would be heifetz playing the violin. he is an extremely talented violinist, but he plays slow songs too fast, distracting the listener from the original meaning, making it feel weird.
this was a rant, so forgive me if some things are a lil wonky. i must address that pretty vs ugly is very subjective and is not the perfect analogy, but i tried.
you're so right (not that you don't know that). personally, i basically just copied ariana grande while learning to sing and, whew, that damaged my voice for life tbh. it's a tough journey to master both skill and style, but especially after going into it just caring about sounding cool. i wish i could tell little me that, and all new singers - it's so important!!
Everything violin was way too easy for Heifetz haha.
Man oh man, I would KILL to hear a live performance of Sibelius, Tchaikovsky, Bach, or Brahms by the likes of Heifetz, Oistrakh, Milstein, Elman, all those great fiddlers 😓.
@@thenameisseanhong clearly not everything, as he can't play slower-paced pieces as well as others who are objectively not as good as him. ofc, i would love to hear him play live as well, but probably not something like meditation from thais. he's a very technical player, but his style is wayyyy too fast-paced for me. oistrakh and perlman are probably, in my opinion, much better all-rounders compared to heifetz.
When I was young, my teacher said I was too obsessed in sounding like Mariah Carey since imitated her so much. She said "Well... In 5 years you'll sound extremelly great, but this isn't how you become a virtuoso, and this isn't how you'll keep your virtuoso title for 50 years"
Singing is like architecture: a building that is aesthetically pretty but has a terrible foundation is going to crumble no matter how cool it looks
kyungsoo is fr the best vocalist of his generation...he has all of it; vocal style, tone, technique and all
“But if a set style is the only way for you to reach certain notes, it’s not a choice but a mask used to hide and excuse lacks in technique.” 👏
PERIODDDDD!
A good example of an artist who DEFINITELY has style without compromising technique imo, while not K-POP, is Ado. She can basically do any genre because of her amazing technique. Don't believe me? Literally look at any of her songs, or some of her live performances she's nuts.
Queen of vocal distortions no doubt. I guess that to do them healthly you always have to be intentional, so one would not hurt them self because a lot of presition is necessary for advanced distortions.
Purely accidentaly stumbled upon her music couple of weeks ago while listening recomended songs on streaming app and since then obsessed with her vocals.
Real, she's a queen
Style without proper technique is like a ticking time bomb. Sure, it will define you and people might notice you instantly, but limitation becomes boundary where you stay in loop can't find any other genre or tunes that suit you, and it will become boring in a long run for the audience since you will probably sing it the same on and on. Sure, when it goes great it will be amazing but it's a gamble especially on a higher technique you havent yet to achieved. It would the case of some days you achieve it, some days you just aren't. Always learn the basic and strive for more technique difficulties, it will become way easier to choose a song, choose a stylistic approach to sing, even remix a song and make it your own. It's also elevate your characteristic (in terms of vocal) even better.
Kyungsoo is a perfect voice balance personified ❤
I love Kyungsoo's vocal style and his vocal tone, and I definitely think his voice is quite unique. All I want right now is to hear more variety of songs from his so we can see the capacity of this delicious voice.
Hyolyn instantly came to mind when I saw the title. Glad you included her.
Wendy has mastered her vocal technique and now exploring on a style that suits her BEST. Im so excited for what the future has in store for her. 😌
I think a good example of having a good technique while adding some stylistic choices to make it more dynamic is DO from EXO and Zhang Hao from ZB1
I love Hao's stylistic style of singing that allows him to blend into melodies so softly. It fits him so well.
Kyungsoo's riffs glide smoothly in my ears, it's so attractive.
Jonghyun is one of the rarest examples of the one who is able to combine style and technique perfectly together and it made for one of the best charismatic performer ever.
Also on the lower end of things I find Hanni's honey like voice style to be extremely suiting for her yet it is proficient enough for her to be able to sing most of the songs.
Nayeon is also incredibly stylistic and can do it to a degree, just not in the songs where she is out of that range😊
Yess I hate how JYP/producers make Nayeon and other artists strain their voices to hit that high note when it could be so much better a note lower in their range!!!!!!
@@thriftskull5549 JYP strained Nayeon's voice hard in songs like ICSM and Fancy and its honestly sad because vocally speaking she's competent but not to that level. She really should've gotten lower notes.
And speaking of JYP I'm also still baffled by their decision on making Cheshire's chorus insanely high that even the likes of Lily found it difficult to sing.
Kyungsoo = balance voice. ❤
Never really been the biggest fan of highly stylistic performers, whether that be vocalists (e.g. those "cursive" singers) or dancers (the likes of Badvillain's Emma and P1Harmony's Soul). Versatility >>> style.
Fingers crossed the days of every internet singer being either a clone of Billie Eilish or Lana Del Rey will NEVER make a comeback 🥲
@@refilwejas9021 I agree that Hyunjin tends to stick out like a sore thumb (the combination of his being the tallest member with the longest limbs, his long ass neck and weird upper body alignment, and at times excessive tension), but San? In my opinion, despite his (hella) muscular build, San still harmonises well with his members.
@@thenameisseanhongSan problem is more facial expressions then pure dance. San often overdoes his expressions.
@@vixxexo6855 San did tried to tone down but he didn't find it comfortable. Being overly powerful becomes his way of performing now.
Fully agree with this.
Versatility >>> sticking to one style
I love Heeseung's voice so much. He is my favorite male K-pop vocalist along with D.O. from Exo. His voice and singing tone are attractive. I am just sad about the fact that HYBE is just pushing him to sing the most demanding lines of all of Enhypen's songs without giving him proper and regular vocal lessons. Maybe some years later, Heeseung will take it into his own hands to get vocal lessons. I am excited for that time it happen.
Heeseung does have average technique, not the best but still not bad.
Ofcourse Heeseung will get the hard parts when only Heeseung, Sunoo and Jay knows to sing in that group. Jungwon is too nasal and the rest are dozens.
Not sure about Jay, he sounds like he's stuck in his throat.
That's kinda the mindset Hybe has towards ALL of their main vocalists, Belift and Source M. included (not talking pledis groups).
They usually put every vocally demanding line onto the main vocalist/s and then leave the others with easier parts which is so detrimental and puts so much pressure onto them 'cus most, if not all the time, they cannot or struggle to pull those parts off 😭
That’s completely normal in K-pop though. Look at EXO they relied mostly on their three best singers. Same with ateez, stray kids, etc. Jake has the most potential imo. Jay does his part well, though he’s clearly a dancer first. But I see Niki is trying to strengthen his singing. Sunoo is shaky but if he stabilizes he can take on more. Right now they seem pretty overworked though. It’s unfortunate.
This essay reminds me of Billie Eilish. When she first debuted, i always thought that vocal is not her focus since her style of singing is too breathy, or sometimes too low. But, when i saw her interview regarding her song ‘What Was I Made For?’, those are actually the vocal style that she purposely chose in order to fit the theme of the song. And I was actually shocked when i listen to her plain vocal (w/o those heavy style) because her vocal skills is so beautiful.
That’s when i truly felt ‘Wow, that’s art’. And i think she’s able to make those stylistic choices cause she have solid basic vocal skills
Kpop singer since first until now who catch my ears and heart is Doh kyungsoo. Full soul and style
D.O. is the best example of Talent-meets-Skill. This man has the best voice tone (not debatable), has impressive agility and mobility, a unique skill set at his disposal (ex. his amazing use of growl, which is hard to master), emotional connection, sounds great singing foreign songs, genre-versatile, humility, etc. Simply the best.
The amount of people who commented D.O. is such a joy. When i understood yhe the context of the video, he's the only that came to mind. Gladly I'm not the only one who thinks so.
for the 6 years of my life ive hidden my bad technique with 'stylistic choices' in the voice n only this year tried to actually work on the right technique n damn !! this is like life-changing. not only it gives u much more power over ur voice n options available, but most importantly oh how confident u suddenly feel!
So many people have mentioned Jonghyun from SHINee and they’re so right. But also worthwhile is Onew from SHINee. His vocal tone is unlike anyone else in the business. In an episode of IU’s Palette, she told him that he has her favorite male voice in the industry. I describe it as “honey megaphone sunshine smile.” It’s SO INTERESTING.
For a wonderful example of both, check out Onew and Jonghyun’s performance at SHINee world V called “Please Don’t Go.” Jonghyun’s usage of dynamics is especially notable in this one.
(Also, to be fair, ALL of the SHINee boys have interesting voices, from Taemin’s, as you’ve touched on, to Key’s slightly nasal belt, and Minho’s rich lower tone)
Summary of the video: Great vocal technique = more access to different styles and wider genre of music you can sing. 😆
This isn’t a mention of a stylistic vocalist with balance (some may disagree) but I really hate YG for pushing Bom with stylistic vocals that damaged her vocals. They knew she already had lymphatic nodes problem in the beginning of their career but still risked it for “vocal color” signature within YG. She still has a beautiful voice and style now, but I just missed her vocals in We Belong Together and Forever With You feature with Big Bang. Her vocals sounded healthier then. :(
If you want a wonderful, well-trained mix of technique and style check out SHINee Jonghyun 👀
For me personally I feel like Hwasa of MAMAMOO is quiet nice example of balance as well! I mean her covers clearly show which direction she is aiming her voice to and what sound she wants to achieve. I mean c'mon, her intro in Delilah in Immortal Songs 2 is just sooo good!
You’re so right about intention with stylistic vocals. I’ve always listened to a lot of rock music. I wanted to sound like the artists. So, I’d try mimicking their growls and gravely sound in their voices. It would make my voice so hoarse! It wasn’t until I started training myself to support my notes and focus on only accessing the healthy part of my range that I was able to start incorporating techniques like growling while not feeling like I’m putting any strain on my vocal cords.
It’s the same as any other skill. Playing an instrument. Kicking a soccer ball. Painting a picture. You see those with advanced levels of training pulling off these insane techniques and you want to do exactly what they do. But you can’t take any shortcuts. You need to master the basics and use that as a foundation to build off of.
To be honest rock singing isn’t very healthy in general
Kehoo from P1Harmony really knows what he's doing
He is mostly famous for being cringe on Tiktok.
@@SamEricLlort cringe?,we talking about his voice
@@SamEricLlortWhat the hell does that have to do with his singing? 😭
Keeho*
@@SamEricLlortfamous for being funny u mean
ik she isn't kpop but beyonce likes to "growl" when singing (idk the exact term) for many years now & she sounds amazing but when male idols do it..😅 turn it off!
neow.... some male idols have a mean growl, kyungsoo for example
(but yes, overall i agree with you)
Jonghyun from Shinee, Daehyun from Bap, Baekhyun and Do from EXO can do growls well.
Yep... Well Beyonce's one of the best use of growl because compared to many singers, she places that in her nose and not in her throat, kinda like snoring and that's a healthy growl
Cursive singing eats when done well like Keeho from P1harmony.
thanks for the content even with your busy schedule 😊✊
Omg thank you so much🥹🥹
I know this doesn’t really have a direct bearing on the video, but OMG the KPOP industry has a huge problem when it comes to playing the backtrack so loud it ruins the experience. Taehyun in particular is these clips like no wonder idols have no idea what their own voices even sound!
Can we talk about the pitch correction on Jennie’s mic in her first clip? This is not hate, it’s an industry thing I know. It’s just so egregious I think it’s worrying people are starting to lose the ability to pick it out anymore. It’s this trend of artistic things becoming more automated and artificial. Idk, vocals aren’t meant to be pitch perfect.
i'd love to hear more about what you think are shortcomings in siyeon's technique! i personally love her voice and especially her vibrato, but i might not be as good at noticing technical limits. imo her style isn't too in your face to be the only thing i hear, (whereas i found it more obvious for taehyun) but i'd love to hear your thoughts more!
Nah he's got beef with Siyeon. He thinks she's overrated and always uses the 2-3 same clips of her. Most of those clips he uses are ones at concerts where Siyeon is just having fun. And yet, critique her as if she's trying to be perfect in those instances. 😅
Just seems like he doesn't like her technique. He also claimed once that Siyeon had developed nodes, yet it was SuA who did. Siyeon never had issues with her voice. She's been singing well before being an idol, have been in a rock band in highschool. She knows herself and what she can do.
Yeah no matter what they say ,Siyeon always sounds good to me
@@PieonaneunFlower literally. i mean, just listen to what he says in this video. he claims to have ‘valid concerns’ about how siyeon is supposedly singing in that style just because she can’t hit the notes otherwise ??? lmao. clearly he hasn’t listened to many of dreamcatcher’s bsides then, where you can easily find siyeon singing without ‘relying on’ her usual rock style. he brings up an otherwise reasonable point about how some idols use vocal style as a crutch, then decides to just try to make it about siyeon because he can’t come up with a decent example.
The delulu in these replies. Lol. Look, if you really love Siyeon, then I'm sure you'd want her to continue singing as long as she'd want to. Not have to retire early because she damaged her vocal cords by singing wrong. 🤨
@@mentalmaker03 genuinely though, how is she singing wrong? like i'm obviously biased but i can't tell that she's damaging her voice. i could be unaware though!
I think it speaks of a hurried style of life of going to style too soon instead of developing healthy technique
Hey! Jade Thirlwall just dropped her single and just like you said, she seems to be the one who's gonna become more interesting. 😄 i mean i love perrie and leigh but her debut single is making a buzz now.
Haechan came to my mind immediately. He has a pretty unique style in singing and u can recognize it easily, and it’s also backed with really good vocals techniques
Literally nobody ever talk about Taeyeon, Jessica, Seohyun, Luna, Krystal, Hyolyn and most importantly, Ailee and Eunji. Thankfully, this video mentions Ailee. These women are the vocal powerhouses of Kpop. They have fully developed and advanced vocal techniques and can really sing in style without straining.
A singer with style and technique imo is Minnie of Gidle. She is well known for her siren-like/airy voice; and she also has a good technique (we can see it particularly in Lee Mujin's service). The thing is that in Gidle songs her voice isn't allowed to be at it's full potential; the producers/Soyeon mainly focus on her unique tone; and i believe that's why she's majoritarly known for her style, and a lot of people underestimate her technique (imo). I find it quite sad bcs I think Minnie could be so much more than just the soft/fantasy-like type of singer (bcs of how her stylized her voice is in idle's songs) but she don't get to shine that much in their groups songs (neither Miyeon btw). For example, Red Velvet Wendy, who is just... you know... Wendy... can shine in their groups songs (there's always a few high notes, adlibs or a specifically high-skill required part in their songs) ; and she gets to show maybe not her full but a lot of her potential; which is not the case with Minnie or either Miyeon... I really hope someday Minnie will go solo so she can show what she is capable of doing or just one of Gidle's songs letting her vocal skills and not only style, shine. Yeah Minnie can't be really compared to Wendy skill and technical wise, I just took her as an exemple bcs she is the first idol that came to my mind when I thought of an idol who is highlighted by their group's songs. This is just my opinion and doesn't mean I don't like Idle's songs (they're my ult group) but more of like a thing i noticed through my years of stanning as a Neverland... I'm really curious about what y'all think about this situation !
Deceitful Soyeon hater. + With stupid logic. And in Minnie & Yuqi songs, which make up half of both full albums and 2/3 of all new era mini albums, who is stopping her from realizing her 'full' potential? ...They are completely responsible for their songs. And they all have different co-composers, lyriucists and arrangers.
P.S. Most K-pop fans are simply idiots.
i understand but i still dont like most "technically proficient" voices as much as i like those with some level of technique and tone. like i'd rather listen to an "average" technique singer like rosé, giselle, isa, seungmin, jungkook (just some examples) with good and unique tone over a proficient technical singer. exceptions exist- like wheein or hwasa, but mostly i just dont like technical singers as much.
Please talk about Kazakh singer Dimash Qudaibergen. His technique is just *chef kiss
Thanks for the video, I agree overall. It would be nice to see an update on the singers you use as examples since some clips are older. Are they regressing, improving? Maybe both, in certain areas. One thing I’d like is more detail on what technique you’re actually criticizing and complimenting. Back on the video topic, a good example Janis Joplin, an incredible artist who touched so many with her raw voice. But I heard she was never trained & that it was harmful, along with her lifestyle. This may be a myth but i heard that later in her career she actually improved. Many think criticizing bad/off technique means they’re terrible. It doesn’t diminish our enjoyment or their music imo.
While I was watching this I was thinking of Kyungsoo. I've been thinking that something has changed in his style of singing. His solo songs are more on laid back, comforting side. It feels like his style of singing now (w/ his solo songs) is like " talking while singing", laid back, effortless. I love his songs but I can't help but to look for the ways he used to sang before. I attended his fancon, and I also seen some of his guestings ( like the one with Akmu) and I feel like he was having a little difficulty in hitting highnotes. I'm thinking of his new stye of singing affected his "muscle memory". I know he wasn't really a belter like chen and baekhyun but in his early yrs as kpop he used to hit highnotes too.
I hope you can make video about the changes in music style, vocal techniques of idols ( while being part of their groups vs solo songs), like kyungsoo's, wheein, Jayb, solar, chen, baekhyun, Taeyeon.
I would love you to do a review on 5th gen boy main vocals especially Jay Chang!!! (Member of OnePact & BDU, and is a soloist)
Hey I just stumbled across this channel and just have a quick question (no hate at all just genuine question)
Do you have any like any background or credentials in music such as maybe being a music teacher?
It's not Kpop, but I'd be really interested to hear your thoughts on Ado.
great video as usual... i was wondering you never seem to mention Lee Soo-hyun from Akmu... who is supposed to be a good vocalist. I am not asking because I am a fan but because I am really curious about your opinion. Sometimes there is a general agreement that someone is a good vocalist but then someone with better knowledge will not agree. I was reminded of Lee Soo-hyun after watching this video because she was with Rose in some edition of the tv show Begin Again and it was interesting to notice how, in my opinion, EXTREMELY "stylistic" was Rose´s choice of singing and how non-stylistic was Lee Soo-hyun singing. I am REALLY curious about your opinion. Rose Onew and Lee Soo-hyun sang together in that show and it was very interesting noticing the different approaches to singing.
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That intro makes me suffer😭😭😭(specially Taehyun and Jennie)
I think you just explained why I am fed up with Heeseung’s vocals and get tired of Enha’s songs after a while despite being an Engene. I hope he and the other members are able to improve and reach even new heights in their vocals
They improve a lot.
@@bella-hi4oonot "a lot" Technique wise but yea
My favorite singer everrrr is Gackt and he has the most interesting sounding voice I’ve ever heard. I know he’s spoken a bit about how his singing style hurt his voice over the decades though. I love his power ballads like secret garden and memories SO much but his recent music tends to be a bit less vocally demanding
Really good video as always but I can’t help but also wonder if you’ll talk about these topics with western pop and singers included too! Obviously, if u prefer contextualising your videos to just kpop that’s fine too, i just am always curious as to what you’d say cos I like ur videos🖤
I have seen so many people give you crap for your opinions on Siyeon and I always just keep my opinions to myself because it's not worth arguing with strangers on the internet lol Dreamcatcher is the group that brought me into the K-Pop world, and the first group I truly fell in love with and continue to adore. and I LOVE Siyeon's voice! But I think the concerns are valid, and I don't think it's bad to raise said concerns. The fact that people tie showing concern with 'bashing' is just ridiculous to me, but I can say that until I'm blue in the face and there will still always be people arguing against it.
I think it's deeply satisfying to see growth in artists, and how are they supposed to grow if everyone constantly tells them they're perfect, especially if their technique is potentially doing damage in the long-term? I think there's a very normal, neutral middle ground of pointing out room for growth while still commending what already exists, and for what it's worth, I think you do a very good job at staying in that middle ground.
I'm pretty sure people are "annoyed" because he uses the same clips as examples. There are songs specially ballads that you can hear her supporting high notes without any type of stylistic choice. For example 4 memory or even recently fireflies. We can agree she isn't the best singer of her gen but she has variety, huge vocal range and personal style. And when people claim her vocals are getting worse it's so nonsense for me as she has shown nothing more than improvement over the years.
I do think it could be concerning if she showed problems with reaching the notes over a long period of time, but if there wasn't any drastic change in 10 years of singing we can assume it isn't such a big problem. The only thing I noticed is that the high amount of tours and events have make all the girls a bit overworked and they sound more tensed during all the Apocalypse era. They should let them rest more taking to account they always try to sing live even if it's over the backtrack.
Sorry if this comes as arguing because that's not my intention, I just wanted to add my opinion over it and I can totally get what you mean.
given that all little mix girls released their solo's are you gonna react to that?
i've also noticed that sunoo is technically a decent vocalist but he doesn't really have style. Can you elaborate on this if you get what i mean ??😭
Not best tier in Gen4, Sunoo is quite good as a singer. Unfortunately, there was a lot of hatred from antis outside fandom toward him in 2021-2022. In the end of 2021 covid restriction was reduced, Enhypen began to make offline stage and more busy schedule. In the middle 2022, Sunoo had to take hiatus for 2 months. No idol would ever choose hiatus, unless his health condition is quite bad, not just common flu nor mild injury. Concert in Japan (Manifesto World Tour) Sunoo was almost absen due to his health condition.
2023-2024, Enhypen have more hectic schedule. I see that Sunoo begins to be in stuck condition for his vocal skill. Sunoo has taken hiatus in 2022, it seems he chooses to maintain his health condition as #1 priority than other additional activity. Probably, he prefers having rest than doing additional personal training (gym, vocal, etc). Maintaining health is more important than increasing his skill. Not just Sunoo, I see Jungwon, Jake, and Heeseung are in the same condition: stuck in vocal skill due to their heavy busy schedule.
interesting video as usually !
Siyeon's impeccable. Ain't no need to concern troll her, kid. 😉
In conclusion: everyone needs vocal lessons if they want to improve and go beyond their current bounds. HYBE doesn’t care though.. not one bit
Question, will you ever go back to your old style of content every now and then? Just curious.
I wonder what you would say about Haechan's style of singing
Im at 9:34 and nct better appear in this because why are they in the tags.
He doesn’t actually mention Doyoung, but he does show footage of Jaehyun. He has said that Doyoung is a favorite of his.
I don’t dare make a list of popular and well regarded vocalists who leave me cold: some of them are in this video, and people would be coming after me with pitchforks if I named them. I will say that my main problem with many K-pop vocal groups (especially 4th gen boy groups) is that their voices are practically interchangeable: I can close my eyes and have no idea who’s singing. A major reason I love NCT 127 is that each member has a distinct vocal tone.
@@lulashepard3253 same. I really love how distinct 127 vocals are but they also highlight each other beautifully.
Talent will never lie.
Overhyped, overrated, talentless idols can't relate.
Corny ah
@@camisafespace Just stating fact.
@@finuandrea the blackpink shade
@@ketakikhobragade7168 BTS and BP.
You've been feeding us well with K-Pop content and i'm grateful! But is there an A-Pop video coming some time?
I just don't really know what you expect from insomnias when you talk about Siyeon and her technique like that
It's like the same record over and over again
I don't know much about singing and no matter if your characterization is true or not, it is definitely upsetting
and annoing on the third repetition
Also a bit weird that you used a clip where she tries to be louder then backing vocals. I agree that she sounds forced in that clip, but she doesn't sound like that all the time
I'm your casual watcher, but I guess your channel will be marked with "do not reccomend" from now on
I'm just annoyed at this point
your opinion or my opinion won't change her technique anyway
Why don't you talk about Faouzia on the Singer 2024?
I seriously thought the answer was mics lol.
2:13 LOL who is Wendy yelling at?!?!?
Please somebody send me a link of this clip 2:15 😅
what’s the name of the song at 3:06?
Deja vu dreamcatcher
snowman jennie they could never make me hate you
Nobody is making you do anything girlie, we're just discussing how much she sucked using that 2016 tumblr girl indie acoustic singer technique
Jennie is honestly pretty mehhh
will you make a video about little mix’s solo music
can u do some more western videos
Would you please make a video about jimin vocal on his new song "who". The song his very autotuned thats true but i think his vocal has improved since that one encore. Especially after watching his jimmiy fallon performance and these live practice clip.
Because of ARMYS' behavior in the past, the creator usually opts to avoid BTS in the videos...
Army behaviour is complete trash can't take any criticism BTS vocal is still below mid whatever army say to glorified and force tejor opinion on others. They haven't improved at all. Just accept them as how it's.
enhypen and txt cant really sing except for their main vocalists and maybe yeonjun
I actually agree to this 💀
Enhypen may be true but not txt tho they are great
no txt not great@@wannabil6550
great video but would be nice if you pronounced people's names correctly
@@shotanextdoor it matter bc idols are human beings who have names pronounced a certain way and is respectful try to pronounce it correctly? Don’t know exactly which names he could mispronounced but there is no need to act defensive or dismissive if someone ask to pronounce names correctly lol
@@shotanextdoor getting someone's name right is bare minimum tbh. It's constructive criticism and they were very respectful, idk why you responded so defensively
Well many idols have hard names to pronounce if you are not korean.
every time u bring up taehyun you always use such old clips…
he hasnt had any technical improvements so its not really his fault
@@triplej8666THIS COMMENT IS SO($/_!)# 😭
@triplej8666 you guys really missed out a lot. He had improved so much I bet you guys will surprised
@@wannabil6550😂😂😂😂
I’m trying to imagine baekhyun covering “I know I love you by Txt” and how it would sound 😅
jenny would sound good with heavy rock.
Technics mean nothing if you are unappealing to the audience, dont have catchy songs and stage presence. People judge artist as a whole, not only his vocals but only sm stan are obsessed with their fave's shouting high notes and dont understand why it is outdated opinion. There are many good vocalists everywhere, better than sm clones who sound the same but there are much less good performers and even less good artists. So, keep being delulu, sm akgaes, you are funny. Sehun and Mark being more popular than so-called vocal kings is very good example.
Never knew haechan and onew sound the same😂😂
Just from your comment, i know whose fans you are. You are butthurt because people are praising SM idol's vocal, even though no one talking about entertainment agency here. Keep barking, cause that's all you can do. Enjoy your idols popularity. We'll enjoy our favourite idol's talent. Thank you for your attention.
Lol someone's mad their favs can't sing.😂
@@averyatwell95 my faves can sing and sound much more interesting than boring af sm clones.
@@linadecrava895 im enjoying my fave's voices, songs, perfornances, popularity, thanks for your concern.
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Oh, I just noticed that I forgot to add to Sehun and Mark Irene and Karina. So, once again, the most popular in their groups sm idols are not vocal kings🤣 and looking at Chen... Yup, I totally believe that sm stans care about vocals (nope🤣)
I've been clickbaited 😢