as an italian, i don't get why people get that mad, even non-italians. The only "issue" would be if you call a recipe "traditional and accurate" and change it up a bunch... otherwise, it's all just fun adaptations for one's taste and culture, it's fine.
i also feels there’s so many foods that people get mad at for not being “traditional” but the popular version that they think is traditional isn’t even how the meal was originally made
I would also argue that there's also a lot of wiggle room in the meaning of "traditional". Just to keep using Italy as an example, and you might personally disagree with this, some Italian-American food is arguably as traditional as European Italian food (for lack of a better term). This is because, despite the term traditional often being used to describe recipes that are very old and standardized, those recipes have _not_ stayed the same over time. A modern Italian recipe almost certainly isn't identical to the same recipe from the 1930s (especially if it's a family recipe, where there will be some drift over time) because things like the availability of ingredients, agricultural practices, cooking methods, and even environmental conditions will have completely changed the way people interpret these recipes, especially if it's an older recipe that probably didn't have standardized measurements. Italian-americans for example mostly came from Southern Italy and sicily, and adapted their traditional recipes to the ingredient availability of the United States. This didn't happen all at once though, and happened slowly over the course of decades, so if you asked any individual person the recipe was still "traditional". In addition to that, these communities were also relatively isolated for decades because of anti-italian racism, so they were slightly more resistant to change than other communities in the United States. Most traditional recipes are basically a metaphorical ship of Theseus where they have been torn apart and reconstructed so many times that it becomes difficult to argue which one is the real one, and so to argue that certain recipes are "inauthentic" becomes a bit of a gray area unless it's something that is changing the aspects of the recipe that basically everybody agrees are standard (ex. Replacing the tomatoes in a pasta sauce with some other fruit or vegetable). The entire idea of recipes being traditional and authentic is basically a social construct, and it's mostly based on vibes of what you consider to be essential aspects of that culture is culinary identity.
literally, food got to be how it is from adapting and changing “traditional” recipes. It makes sense people would change food to their tastes and local availability of foods. I know food is important to culture and there is absolutely room and respect for traditional methods, but sharing food and recipes and tweaking them is how humans done did since the beginning
@@nessafrankenstein Also good to note that a good portion of "traditional" European cuisine was entirely unrecognizable prior to common trade between Europe and the Americas- potatoes, tomatoes, chocolate, corn, a majority of modern peppers, etc, were strictly native to the Americas.
The tone and tongue and cheek is exactly right. Gordon is very over the top and you can tell he is playing up his character. This guy... Was just an ahole.
gordon also uses whackadoodle music cues when he’s being over the top on his american show. british show is a dry humor and different but still obvious.
Definitely agree. It's kind of funny how guys like this are too embarrassed to admit that they were ever wrong, so they double down instead of just apologizing and moving on, and ultimately just humiliates himself even further.
Also Gordon is genuine and humble the rest of the time. He loved Uncle Roger's videos about him, and they cooked fried rice together and everything so he could get it right. Uncle Roger also being a prime example of well done insult comedy that doesn't actually degrade anyone or hurt their feelings (Except Jamie Oliver), he makes jokes and insults about bad asian cooking, but also really loves and praises people who do it right or at least do it with heart and passion but limited ingredients or equipment. And that's the difference, it's fine when you're nice to people and make banter as well while also pointing out their mistakes. It's not fine to ridicule people.
I hate watching chefs being mean. There's a difference between being grossed out by hideous food and just being mean to people just making home cooked meals that they really enjoy
Yeah, it all started with Gordon Ramsay roasting people at Hell's kitchen, Kitchen Nightmares and MasterChef, and he continues it on tiktok and insta as well, but he mostly roasts professional cooks... But nowadays it seems if you're not mean you're not viral so that's how we get here, I guess...
Yeah it's hypocritical making articles and talking about how radioactive the culinary industry is for chefs who aren't famous enough to avoid all that verbal abuse and then trying to be Dollar General Gordon Ramsey. Also the followup 'Yeah I didn't have the energy to just scroll and decided to criticize someone's random cooking video but he's in the wrong for not taking my unsolicited criticism as a joke because it was tongue in cheek but I was also 100% serious." What a tool.
@@cardboard2night i think it's different with gordon ramsay because he had his tv show and everything so we're familiar with him and we like him so we're all in on the joke.
The only reason Gordon Ramsay can pull his reaction videos off is because he's Gordon Ramsay. He's never actually that mean and people know him and know his videos are made in good fun. This guy here needs to find a different niche
like gordon acknowlages his whole brand is to be a twat ! but he also has shown INTENSE kindness and sincerity to people over and over again. [i mean also just watch the British version of Kitchen Nightmares- its a whole world of difference]
@@fredo_credo5689 yeah I rewatched some videos and the only stuff he seems to straight up insult are joke videos and rage bait (like toothpick chicken or meat smiley). He's actually very nice about criticizing people who try their best
I must say, lasagna soup is not the most appetising looking thing, but since it's all or most of same ingredients you can call it "lazy lasagna", it's like "lazy dumplings", it's not supposed to be appealing, but it still tasty. What that chef's problem...
I mean the texture matters a lot in food. Changing it up will drastically impact taste. I hate wet food but I love lasagna. I can tell you I would not enjoy lasagna soup. It's just a different meal. The layering is part of the dish. It's not lasagna. But Lasagna is also the name of the pasta so it's still technically correct to call it lasagna soup. I understand the annoyance at it. That chef was way too mean tho.
also like, with *a lot* of home-made meals they may not look particularly appetizing (especially when you don't have a professional set to film it lol), but it's still smells and tastes nice (istg this soup looked on camera was way more appetizing then any time I've tried to snap a pic of my meals lol)
This guy's gonna flip out when he finds out about like. Taco dip or chili mac or I guess literally anything sort of inventive that home cooks make out of whatever ingredients they've got laying around. He might shit his pants when he realizes that most of us don't give a shit about evenly chopping onions. Lasagna soup seems like a great thing to make if you've got stuff to make Lasagna but you don't actually want to make lasagna. Not everything has to be visually stunning or culturally authentic or technically impressive. Sometimes you're just making food that tastes good and you realize you've made something that might be good enough that other people might also like to try making it. That's basically the vast majority of all people who make food
man, there's a whole industry of fake recipe videos out there recommending things that could make people sick, and that guy had to pick on just some dude making a soup he didn't like the look of.
Literally!! Like this is the most normal recipe you could find with a video style that feels warm and inviting, how could you mistake that for people who dump a gallon of milk into a baking dish with whatever random shit they can find
Other chefs trying to pull a Gordon Ramsey doesn't work since they don't have that "angry but 'well-meaning' TV chef guy" history. While they think they're simply following the angry-dueting-chef bit, they're actually coming off as gatekeepy losers and that's not fun. It reminds me of that British guy making angry British faces at the tiktoker that makes creole food. Like, calm down; you're looking like a jerk and not a jokester.
Exactly. Ramsay has had decades to develop his brand and has made several shifts to soften it over the years even. It's kind of like when you roast your friends/family and it's funny because everyone knows it's out of love, but then a stranger makes the same joke and everyone gets angry/protective because it comes off as being genuinely mean
I think the rude chef guy said "dice" not "toss" about the onions, which is an even weirder criticism of the other guy's cooking because the video doesnt show him dicing them it shows one cut then the onions are diced in the pan 😂 how are you gonna critique his dicing technique when you cant see it!
because an onion isn't a perfect sphere of layers but instead a complex system of layers around a tube like core. most chefs have very particular ways that they cut onions, when I have to dice them I dice them in an entirely different way than the chef in the video did and I can tell because that first cut makes my typical cuts impossible. I lay my onion down on the side, cut the butts off, split it, take out the bitter middles, and dice it in the opposite direction that the soup guy
@@dizzylilthing I'm sure most chefs have very particular ways, but he isn't a chef, just a normal guy. Most people just cut onions in half and then chop because that's the most intuitive thing to do. Very strange to criticize someone for doing something that most people do.
@@lotsoflovetoyouI mean that's just how poverty food is in an area as far north as the british isles. you take your cheap carbs and your cheap meat and hope it tides you over until the four months of the year you can grow anything tastier than cabbage. also fun fact with jellied eels in particular: it's a food very localised to london due to eels being the only fish you could get out of the heavily polluted thames river back in the day, and thus the only fish that didn't have to be shipped in from out of town.
@PugandOwn yeah I know that doesn't stop it from being unappealing to me though but I saw that apparently the dish is disappearing and maybe that's because the eels are disappearing?
You know, if you want to talk about pencils, talk about how the Koh-I-Noir changed the "hardmuth" lead holder to "Versital" because it PISSED ME OFF!!!
@@Hailey-bz2ym I would legit watch a video analyzing the changes in Prismacolor over time, thank you for hopefully bringing it to Evil Pinely's attention
Yessss! Or how they apparently discontinued their full lead pencils! I fucking cried at home when my local crafts store told me that! I went there a week prior asking if they had them, they were so kind and told me they'd order some for me (they had them before and I also showed them a picture of the box I bought from them), and when I came back later I got the bad news! 😢wtf is going on at koh-i-noir?? Would be amazing to be in the pencil video
Bro the music in this video is giving me whiplash. First I’m on my farm is Stardew Valley next I’m in the Tops Casino, now I’m rolling around as a Spongebob ball in some of the MOST ANNOYING levels in that game. Pinely wtf is happening??
I saw something in another channel that was pretty cool, just a bit of trivia, and that's that while "American" Italian cooking isn't "authentic" to Italian cooking from Northern Italy in particular, it was influenced in really cool ways by poorer Italians from South Italy moving to the US, and picked up the ingredients and foods of other cultures around them that were available in the US. Similar things happened to Jewish, Chinese, Irish, Indian, and Mexican cuisines, they tended to blend cheap and easily available ingredients in the US with traditional cooking for all new fusions that became wildly popular, like Spaghetti and Meatballs, Fettucine Alfredo, Tikki Masala, pizza and tacos as we know them, modern deli sandwiches, fried chicken - and that process continues on. Dishes continue to evolve with the times, with new stuff being invented and popularized all the time. If it's delicious, who cares if it's authentic?
This is just it, if a chef who's unsuccessfully trying to be an influencer uses your video in his content, leave it to his audience to tell him his content is rude and out of pocket. If you are a bigger creator with over a million followers, how is making a video lying about the guy not being the bully? Even if he was telling the truth about the chef writing an aritcle about being an anti-bullying advocate, why would you direct information that to your infinitely bigger fan-base and not to the chef directly in the DMs?
@@ArticBeauty from what I can remember, the pasta guy says the chef wrote an article complaining about bullying and is trying to position himself as an anti-bullying advocate. The article is actually written by the chef's local paper about how different the industry is as a business owner to when he was starting out, he mentions that the culture was a lot more toxic and he was bullied, which is where the paper gets it's headline from. The thing is, he also says that he doesn't blame anyone who bullied him, and that it shaped him into the chef he is today. He doesn't say that he is anti-bullying at all, only that he's happy for newcomers today that the culture is easier on them. I recognised the newspaper from living in the area, and I find it weird that he ended up on such a small time site when looking up the chef, especially because there's like 50 articles about him on there and none of them come up when you search his name... unless you type "Paul Foster bullying" where it's the first result 😂 My tin-foil hat theory is the pasta guy is worried that an actual accredited chef talking smack in a silly TikTok is going to damage the brand he's trying to centre all his content around, so he just tried to find anything he could to discredit him.
My approach to food is: if you don't like it, don't eat it. I am way too lazy to make a video response to recipes I don't like. As for the pencil drama: did you know they replaced the lead in pencils with graphite? What a scandal! Bring back good old-fashioned lead. Good for you and the planet.
Pencils have actually never contained lead! They’ve always been graphite mixed with a clay! The name comes from Roman times when they would use chunks of lead to mark lines on paper before writing with a brush
The "don't do drugs" pencil that gets sharpened to "do drugs" could be a pencil video, especially since similar pencils are still being sold at school supply stores despite them making national headlines a decade ago. Oh, and the kid who reported the issue originally got some kind of weird gift IIRC.
if you get told off for how you cut onions in the kitchen, you're going to tell other people off. I remember being (lightly) mocked by my cooking teacher for using a dry measure for a liquid, and now I bite my tongue not to tell others off for doing that. it's possible to pass along the knowledge without passing along the mockery
Did they give an explanation for why you were "doing it wrong". I find out people are more likely to pass down the mockery if they actually can't explain why it's wrong. Their brain know it is because they've been told but they can't really contribute the knowledge any other way than just saying "that's wrong".
It's also worth noting, in that specific regard at least, that you can absolutely measure liquids with a dry measuring cup (though the reverse is not necessarily true). The volume is the same, the benefit just comes from the liquid measuring cup being easier to use for liquids because that's what it was designed for. That's one of those pieces of "traditional cooking wisdom" that's technically correct, but not for the reasons that people usually give.
@@ArturGlass.C that's a good point!! it's a coward move to say "that's wrong!" without showing how to do it the right way, especially with a versatile medium like TikTok
I like that his defense is "I didn't even know what his page is!" like he couldn't work it out from the video he reacted to. It's like when a character inn a TV Show is playing dumb, but they play too dumb. "Of course I was nowhere near the crime scene, I couldn't have walked that way, I don't even know HOW to walk!"
Pinely... I appreciate your dedication to making content out of shit that doesn't matter. It's so refreshing and I feel better about the world when i watch these videos lol. You rule.
I grew up Italian-American. As long as it tastes good we didnt care how "authentic" it is. We went to Olive Garden for family events lol. I think gatekeeping food is so annoying. Let people enjoy things, especially food.
I think there's room for both mindsets as long as you're not a jerk about it. It's important to preserve some food history, but that doesn't mean that food can't change over time, too
I legit make lasagna soup all the time. As a home cook, it's way easier and faster than building a lasagna from scratch, but gives pretty much the same flavor profile. I recommend.
this reminds my of a quote that is extremely unfortunately from a louis ck bit but it’s so relevant: “when you say to a friend of yours ‘You’re being an asshole’ and they’re like, ‘No, I’m not.’ Well, it’s not up to you if you’re an asshole or not. That’s up to everybody else. You don’t get to say no to that.”
I will make the drama myself if I have to😊 edit: I had a dream that the notif for the video was called "the holy video" and sometimes my dreams tell the future🤷(/mj)
Something I see too often is people who become very successful within their industry shit on people who are doing whatever they do (e.g. cook) casually or for fun. Like, most people aren’t trying to get a michelin star, they are just having fun cooking dinner.
This dude's response to Danny's very tame reaction to his quite mean-spirited, definitely not "tongue in cheek" video tells me very clearly that he was just being very much a jerk
Lasagna soup is not making a chocolate milkshake in a toilet or a massive velveeta filled meatball dude. It sounded nothing like tongue in cheek, it sounded like a chef high on his own farts beating down a tiktoker.
[source: i live in Italy] LASAGNA SOUP IS ALREADY AN EXISTING TRADITIONAL DISH! It’s called Maltagliati (which translates to badly cut, actually lmfao) but IT IS ALREADY A TRADITIONAL EMILIA-ROMAGNA DISH - you can have it “in brodo” with soup and you can also have it with tomato sauce or what have you - lasagna soup is just the rebrand 😭
i make a lot of experimental food. its not out of any malice or disrespect for the cultures of origin that i do this-- i have texture restrictions but i love the flavors of certain foods and want to enjoy them. one easy accessible way i found to endure texture issues? make it soup! basically anything can be souped, the only limitation is the judgement of others
Gordon Ramsey also plays up the anger, shouts and screams. He's very theatrical about it. This dude is just lounging on his couch "Your not a fucking chef cookin like that are ye" like it's personal. He's *mad* but mostly inside. He's insulting the guy. The vibes are rancid
The artist community is struggling with fraudulent color pencils being sold on common online retailers. It become difficult to know if tou are buying legitimate high quality color pencils or the fake ones. This is the video.
I can tell that this video was edited by a different editor than the one that usually works on these and I think they're doing a pretty great job except for one thing and that is music levels. Like pretty much every instance of background music should be about 2-3 times quieter relative to current levels I think. Oh and the reverb effects also get pretty distracting at times so maybe pull that dry/wet knob back a little too. If not for these 2 things I wouldn't've even questioned if there's a new editor or not so ya know :)
lasagna soup is delicious and has been a thing for years. It’s essentially tomato soup with ground beef and lasagna sheets. Italians are going to hate me, but when I didn’t have a big oven and had to use my slow cooker oven setting, i used to make lasagna deconstructed
I find it funny how so many are saying, "THIS IS AN INSULT TO ITALIAN CUISINE!!!! >:[ " meanwhile, my Sicilian bisnona made something incredibly similar when i was a kid, and its a recipe my family still makes today. The whole point of italian food is that its comfort food from readily available and cheap ingredients, its basically made to be experimented with, you just have to look at how different many dishes are all over italy's many regions and cities, pasta dishes in Palermo will look different compared to dishes made in Genoa or Milan, and even from family to family you will find home recipes like this, "non-traditional" comfort dishes.
10:43 that is a real thing, though, just like life hacks that blatantly don’t work and rely on hate watching, there are absurd recipes on tiktok that make no sense and look disgusting and have the same model. I know it sounds weird even if you’ve never seen it but it’s pretty common
I swear the #1 thing I've seen in articles written about empathy, is to NOT downplay people's emotions and tell them they overacted. What kind of prick tells someone who feels hurt by their words that they are overreacting?
Not Pinely trying to sneak in another non-pencil video to distract us. It won't work we need that pencil video the second u hit 100k Also I broke my last pair of headphones the same way and had to use a bunch of duct tape to try and keep them together until I could afford new ones.
Sometimes I think people are like really anti-bullying but only when it's applied to them. They also see themselves as a victims and can't possibly be bullies themselves. That's what I'm seeing from that chef, especially from his "response". That he's so very different from the people who treated him poorly cuz his was apparently "just a joke" and "not personal". But idk how shit talking someone's prep technique and the food they made in their own kitchen isn't personal
regular pencil vs very fancy mechanical pencils that rotate so the thickness of the lines are even, theres limited edition studio ghibli mechanical pencils from the brand kokuyo, they might have a monopoly on mechanical pencils
Imagine being british and claiming the thing you did with food is culturally wrong, when you come from the place that got a ton of food from places it colonized. Where does he think curry came from? France? And even then, british curry is so different. Why do people go after americans for this then forget EVERYONE does it.
Ok, I've made lasagna soup already and it's amazing. I should make it again this week. It's so easy too. I broke up my noodles a little smaller than this and made mine a little soupier, and put blobs of ricotta on top to be ✨fancy✨
“You took me out of context!” “I’m sorry you felt that way!” Continues to insult the guys cooking. Continues talking down and belittle the person he's supposed to be apologize to. Jeeez he did every single red flag talkingpoint in his fake apology. What immature, old bully. 😂
I always find it funny when people say “they took it out of context” when really what they mean is “I did it in the context of thinking I was funny and brilliant and people did not agree”
Merriam-Webster defines pencil as "an instrument for writing, drawing, or marking consisting of or containing a slender cylinder or strip of a solid marking substance" hope this helps homie
Chefs aren’t any authority over home cooking. The two skills are not as close as you’d think. Chefs need to have a broad but not deep understanding of many dishes. Their technique is refined for speed and mass production not necessarily taste or experimentation.
The thing about Gordon Ramsay 'insulting' other chefs is that it's so exaggerated that it can hardly be taken as anything but satire/lighthearted. He is loud, he's laughing, he's standing and majority of his 'insults' result to "what are you doing?!" in a fake shocked tone but this chef is low energy, swearing and personalizing the insults. Gordon is like the fun uncle that's teasing you, this chef is like the older brother making fun of you
British chefs will say lasagna soup is a bastardization of traditional Italian food then share their chicken tikka recipe a day later
Preemptively I love chicken tikka pls don’t come for me
chicken tikka lasagna
@@TurbopropPuppychicken tikka lasagna soup
now now, that's AUTHENTIC scottish-indian cuisine. VERY traditional....in scotland 👀
authentic british chicken tikka pudding mash 😜
as an italian, i don't get why people get that mad, even non-italians. The only "issue" would be if you call a recipe "traditional and accurate" and change it up a bunch... otherwise, it's all just fun adaptations for one's taste and culture, it's fine.
also, its food!! as long as its fully cooked and tastes good, why should anyone care?? we should be happy other are eating yummy things they like.
i also feels there’s so many foods that people get mad at for not being “traditional” but the popular version that they think is traditional isn’t even how the meal was originally made
I would also argue that there's also a lot of wiggle room in the meaning of "traditional".
Just to keep using Italy as an example, and you might personally disagree with this, some Italian-American food is arguably as traditional as European Italian food (for lack of a better term).
This is because, despite the term traditional often being used to describe recipes that are very old and standardized, those recipes have _not_ stayed the same over time.
A modern Italian recipe almost certainly isn't identical to the same recipe from the 1930s (especially if it's a family recipe, where there will be some drift over time) because things like the availability of ingredients, agricultural practices, cooking methods, and even environmental conditions will have completely changed the way people interpret these recipes, especially if it's an older recipe that probably didn't have standardized measurements.
Italian-americans for example mostly came from Southern Italy and sicily, and adapted their traditional recipes to the ingredient availability of the United States. This didn't happen all at once though, and happened slowly over the course of decades, so if you asked any individual person the recipe was still "traditional". In addition to that, these communities were also relatively isolated for decades because of anti-italian racism, so they were slightly more resistant to change than other communities in the United States.
Most traditional recipes are basically a metaphorical ship of Theseus where they have been torn apart and reconstructed so many times that it becomes difficult to argue which one is the real one, and so to argue that certain recipes are "inauthentic" becomes a bit of a gray area unless it's something that is changing the aspects of the recipe that basically everybody agrees are standard (ex. Replacing the tomatoes in a pasta sauce with some other fruit or vegetable).
The entire idea of recipes being traditional and authentic is basically a social construct, and it's mostly based on vibes of what you consider to be essential aspects of that culture is culinary identity.
literally, food got to be how it is from adapting and changing “traditional” recipes. It makes sense people would change food to their tastes and local availability of foods. I know food is important to culture and there is absolutely room and respect for traditional methods, but sharing food and recipes and tweaking them is how humans done did since the beginning
@@nessafrankenstein Also good to note that a good portion of "traditional" European cuisine was entirely unrecognizable prior to common trade between Europe and the Americas- potatoes, tomatoes, chocolate, corn, a majority of modern peppers, etc, were strictly native to the Americas.
the bully isn't the one who gets to decide whether or not it's bullying, lol
Same as "it's just a prank bro!!!! Stop crying !!!"
I had to explain this to a couple bullies during the time I was a high school teacher.
The tone and tongue and cheek is exactly right. Gordon is very over the top and you can tell he is playing up his character. This guy... Was just an ahole.
gordon also uses whackadoodle music cues when he’s being over the top on his american show. british show is a dry humor and different but still obvious.
Definitely agree. It's kind of funny how guys like this are too embarrassed to admit that they were ever wrong, so they double down instead of just apologizing and moving on, and ultimately just humiliates himself even further.
Also Gordon is genuine and humble the rest of the time. He loved Uncle Roger's videos about him, and they cooked fried rice together and everything so he could get it right.
Uncle Roger also being a prime example of well done insult comedy that doesn't actually degrade anyone or hurt their feelings (Except Jamie Oliver), he makes jokes and insults about bad asian cooking, but also really loves and praises people who do it right or at least do it with heart and passion but limited ingredients or equipment.
And that's the difference, it's fine when you're nice to people and make banter as well while also pointing out their mistakes. It's not fine to ridicule people.
I hate watching chefs being mean. There's a difference between being grossed out by hideous food and just being mean to people just making home cooked meals that they really enjoy
Yeah, it all started with Gordon Ramsay roasting people at Hell's kitchen, Kitchen Nightmares and MasterChef, and he continues it on tiktok and insta as well, but he mostly roasts professional cooks... But nowadays it seems if you're not mean you're not viral so that's how we get here, I guess...
Yeah it's hypocritical making articles and talking about how radioactive the culinary industry is for chefs who aren't famous enough to avoid all that verbal abuse and then trying to be Dollar General Gordon Ramsey. Also the followup 'Yeah I didn't have the energy to just scroll and decided to criticize someone's random cooking video but he's in the wrong for not taking my unsolicited criticism as a joke because it was tongue in cheek but I was also 100% serious." What a tool.
@@cardboard2night i think it's different with gordon ramsay because he had his tv show and everything so we're familiar with him and we like him so we're all in on the joke.
@cardboard2night not to mention he actually gives good advice, and has on multiple occasions given praise, gordan rly isn't a bad guy tbh
@@TheTinaBelcher exactly, we all know it’s kinda a bit at this point and that Gordon is actually a nice guy. This other guy is a random British snob
The only reason Gordon Ramsay can pull his reaction videos off is because he's Gordon Ramsay. He's never actually that mean and people know him and know his videos are made in good fun. This guy here needs to find a different niche
You've got it
And people are usually signing up for the roasting you know?
his insults are more funny than mean
like gordon acknowlages his whole brand is to be a twat ! but he also has shown INTENSE kindness and sincerity to people over and over again. [i mean also just watch the British version of Kitchen Nightmares- its a whole world of difference]
@@fredo_credo5689 yeah I rewatched some videos and the only stuff he seems to straight up insult are joke videos and rage bait (like toothpick chicken or meat smiley). He's actually very nice about criticizing people who try their best
I must say, lasagna soup is not the most appetising looking thing, but since it's all or most of same ingredients you can call it "lazy lasagna", it's like "lazy dumplings", it's not supposed to be appealing, but it still tasty. What that chef's problem...
I mean the texture matters a lot in food. Changing it up will drastically impact taste. I hate wet food but I love lasagna. I can tell you I would not enjoy lasagna soup. It's just a different meal. The layering is part of the dish. It's not lasagna.
But Lasagna is also the name of the pasta so it's still technically correct to call it lasagna soup. I understand the annoyance at it. That chef was way too mean tho.
also like, with *a lot* of home-made meals they may not look particularly appetizing (especially when you don't have a professional set to film it lol), but it's still smells and tastes nice
(istg this soup looked on camera was way more appetizing then any time I've tried to snap a pic of my meals lol)
It’s basically a more fancy version of hamburger helper, which I love, so this looks yummy
This guy's gonna flip out when he finds out about like. Taco dip or chili mac or I guess literally anything sort of inventive that home cooks make out of whatever ingredients they've got laying around. He might shit his pants when he realizes that most of us don't give a shit about evenly chopping onions. Lasagna soup seems like a great thing to make if you've got stuff to make Lasagna but you don't actually want to make lasagna. Not everything has to be visually stunning or culturally authentic or technically impressive. Sometimes you're just making food that tastes good and you realize you've made something that might be good enough that other people might also like to try making it. That's basically the vast majority of all people who make food
honestly? I would demolish that lasagna soup, looks tasty
"A lot of sensitive people took it out of context" has this man considered that he was being insensitive or...
Also how's it out of context? It's the video he published for everyone to view. That's the context he gave 😂
man, there's a whole industry of fake recipe videos out there recommending things that could make people sick, and that guy had to pick on just some dude making a soup he didn't like the look of.
Literally!! Like this is the most normal recipe you could find with a video style that feels warm and inviting, how could you mistake that for people who dump a gallon of milk into a baking dish with whatever random shit they can find
your italian accent is giving doofenshmirtz sorry mr. evil pinely
Pinely evil incorporated!
I'd consider that a flex! Evil Pinely's Accent-anator!
Other chefs trying to pull a Gordon Ramsey doesn't work since they don't have that "angry but 'well-meaning' TV chef guy" history. While they think they're simply following the angry-dueting-chef bit, they're actually coming off as gatekeepy losers and that's not fun.
It reminds me of that British guy making angry British faces at the tiktoker that makes creole food. Like, calm down; you're looking like a jerk and not a jokester.
Exactly. Ramsay has had decades to develop his brand and has made several shifts to soften it over the years even. It's kind of like when you roast your friends/family and it's funny because everyone knows it's out of love, but then a stranger makes the same joke and everyone gets angry/protective because it comes off as being genuinely mean
I think the rude chef guy said "dice" not "toss" about the onions, which is an even weirder criticism of the other guy's cooking because the video doesnt show him dicing them it shows one cut then the onions are diced in the pan 😂 how are you gonna critique his dicing technique when you cant see it!
he cut the onion the opposite way most would when dicing an onion. Usually you go top to bottom. Either way dudes a dick lmao.
he's upset with him slicing the onion in half 😭 it's so weird bc ur right, we didn't see the dicing
because an onion isn't a perfect sphere of layers but instead a complex system of layers around a tube like core. most chefs have very particular ways that they cut onions, when I have to dice them I dice them in an entirely different way than the chef in the video did and I can tell because that first cut makes my typical cuts impossible. I lay my onion down on the side, cut the butts off, split it, take out the bitter middles, and dice it in the opposite direction that the soup guy
@@dizzylilthing I'm sure most chefs have very particular ways, but he isn't a chef, just a normal guy. Most people just cut onions in half and then chop because that's the most intuitive thing to do. Very strange to criticize someone for doing something that most people do.
You can see the results, though, no?
Uploading a video about lasagne on a monday is very funny if you think about it.
It really is and I hadn't even noticed til you pointed it out.
@@jen6373 It's because you hate Mondays. Admit it.
thank you for letting me know that it's Monday
@@datboilou No problem, I forgot too myself sometimes.
Garfield is everywhere
Tbh lasanga soup is a great fix when you are depressed, crave lasanga and don't want to deal with all of the dishes and steps
You know a response video is gonna be bad when it starts with “a lot of sensitive people”
500 more for pencil!! Come on Pinely! WHERE ARE THE PENCILS!!!!
Lets go, Evil Pencilly!
I was gonna say that. THIS IS NOT THE PENCIL VIDEO.
400 more now!
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300! Lets goooo
Dude has a lot of nerve critiquing other foods when he hails from the land of boiled eel pie
sorry what i live in the UK & this sounds garbage
dare i say rubbish ohuhuhu ☕️
I searched boiled eel pie and found out about a dish called pie, mash, and jellied eels. British cusine never fails to get a reaction out of me lol😭
i have genuinely never heard of that and i’ve lived here all my life… probably not posh enough for it
@@lotsoflovetoyouI mean that's just how poverty food is in an area as far north as the british isles. you take your cheap carbs and your cheap meat and hope it tides you over until the four months of the year you can grow anything tastier than cabbage.
also fun fact with jellied eels in particular: it's a food very localised to london due to eels being the only fish you could get out of the heavily polluted thames river back in the day, and thus the only fish that didn't have to be shipped in from out of town.
@PugandOwn yeah I know that doesn't stop it from being unappealing to me though but I saw that apparently the dish is disappearing and maybe that's because the eels are disappearing?
You know, if you want to talk about pencils, talk about how the Koh-I-Noir changed the "hardmuth" lead holder to "Versital" because it PISSED ME OFF!!!
I will happily support your stance on this knowing absolutely nothing. HOW DARE YOU, KOH-I-NOIR???
WHAT???!
Or how prismacolor has slowly degraded their quality for years while simultaneously increasing prices… I have wasted soooo much from breakage
@@Hailey-bz2ym I would legit watch a video analyzing the changes in Prismacolor over time, thank you for hopefully bringing it to Evil Pinely's attention
Yessss! Or how they apparently discontinued their full lead pencils! I fucking cried at home when my local crafts store told me that! I went there a week prior asking if they had them, they were so kind and told me they'd order some for me (they had them before and I also showed them a picture of the box I bought from them), and when I came back later I got the bad news! 😢wtf is going on at koh-i-noir?? Would be amazing to be in the pencil video
Bro the music in this video is giving me whiplash. First I’m on my farm is Stardew Valley next I’m in the Tops Casino, now I’m rolling around as a Spongebob ball in some of the MOST ANNOYING levels in that game. Pinely wtf is happening??
THANK YOU I THOUGHT I WAS GOING MAD!! The constant background music and it's SO loud.....
I didn’t even register the background music until I read this comment and went back and listened
I saw something in another channel that was pretty cool, just a bit of trivia, and that's that while "American" Italian cooking isn't "authentic" to Italian cooking from Northern Italy in particular, it was influenced in really cool ways by poorer Italians from South Italy moving to the US, and picked up the ingredients and foods of other cultures around them that were available in the US. Similar things happened to Jewish, Chinese, Irish, Indian, and Mexican cuisines, they tended to blend cheap and easily available ingredients in the US with traditional cooking for all new fusions that became wildly popular, like Spaghetti and Meatballs, Fettucine Alfredo, Tikki Masala, pizza and tacos as we know them, modern deli sandwiches, fried chicken - and that process continues on. Dishes continue to evolve with the times, with new stuff being invented and popularized all the time. If it's delicious, who cares if it's authentic?
Dude is free to give his rude opinion on the soup, just like the public is free to judge him about being rude
This is just it, if a chef who's unsuccessfully trying to be an influencer uses your video in his content, leave it to his audience to tell him his content is rude and out of pocket. If you are a bigger creator with over a million followers, how is making a video lying about the guy not being the bully? Even if he was telling the truth about the chef writing an aritcle about being an anti-bullying advocate, why would you direct information that to your infinitely bigger fan-base and not to the chef directly in the DMs?
@@koolkayn what did he lie about?
@@ArticBeauty from what I can remember, the pasta guy says the chef wrote an article complaining about bullying and is trying to position himself as an anti-bullying advocate. The article is actually written by the chef's local paper about how different the industry is as a business owner to when he was starting out, he mentions that the culture was a lot more toxic and he was bullied, which is where the paper gets it's headline from. The thing is, he also says that he doesn't blame anyone who bullied him, and that it shaped him into the chef he is today. He doesn't say that he is anti-bullying at all, only that he's happy for newcomers today that the culture is easier on them.
I recognised the newspaper from living in the area, and I find it weird that he ended up on such a small time site when looking up the chef, especially because there's like 50 articles about him on there and none of them come up when you search his name... unless you type "Paul Foster bullying" where it's the first result 😂
My tin-foil hat theory is the pasta guy is worried that an actual accredited chef talking smack in a silly TikTok is going to damage the brand he's trying to centre all his content around, so he just tried to find anything he could to discredit him.
Dang so easy to just say "yes that was a party foul. Sorry." And then just move on with life, but they always choose to double down.
He sees me waiting for my instant noodles to cook and nothing to watch while me eat and says "lemme give her some drama" how sweet
I also watched this while eating my instant noodles. great minds think alike....
My approach to food is: if you don't like it, don't eat it. I am way too lazy to make a video response to recipes I don't like.
As for the pencil drama: did you know they replaced the lead in pencils with graphite? What a scandal! Bring back good old-fashioned lead. Good for you and the planet.
Pencils have actually never contained lead! They’ve always been graphite mixed with a clay!
The name comes from Roman times when they would use chunks of lead to mark lines on paper before writing with a brush
@@SallyBerry9PENCIL DRAMA HAPPENING IN COMMENTS
The "don't do drugs" pencil that gets sharpened to "do drugs" could be a pencil video, especially since similar pencils are still being sold at school supply stores despite them making national headlines a decade ago. Oh, and the kid who reported the issue originally got some kind of weird gift IIRC.
Tomatoes weren’t even native to italy, does that mean every italian dish with tomato is actually not traditional? Such bs
wow lasagna drama on a monday... garfield
really makes you think
Garfield 🐈
if you get told off for how you cut onions in the kitchen, you're going to tell other people off. I remember being (lightly) mocked by my cooking teacher for using a dry measure for a liquid, and now I bite my tongue not to tell others off for doing that. it's possible to pass along the knowledge without passing along the mockery
Did they give an explanation for why you were "doing it wrong". I find out people are more likely to pass down the mockery if they actually can't explain why it's wrong. Their brain know it is because they've been told but they can't really contribute the knowledge any other way than just saying "that's wrong".
It's also worth noting, in that specific regard at least, that you can absolutely measure liquids with a dry measuring cup (though the reverse is not necessarily true). The volume is the same, the benefit just comes from the liquid measuring cup being easier to use for liquids because that's what it was designed for. That's one of those pieces of "traditional cooking wisdom" that's technically correct, but not for the reasons that people usually give.
@@ArturGlass.C that's a good point!! it's a coward move to say "that's wrong!" without showing how to do it the right way, especially with a versatile medium like TikTok
I love how evil pinely finds the most random drama lol - cant wait for pencil drama
The Stardew Soundtrack in the background is amazing
I like that his defense is "I didn't even know what his page is!" like he couldn't work it out from the video he reacted to. It's like when a character inn a TV Show is playing dumb, but they play too dumb. "Of course I was nowhere near the crime scene, I couldn't have walked that way, I don't even know HOW to walk!"
Pinely... I appreciate your dedication to making content out of shit that doesn't matter. It's so refreshing and I feel better about the world when i watch these videos lol. You rule.
also i'm lookin forward to this pencil video
I grew up Italian-American. As long as it tastes good we didnt care how "authentic" it is. We went to Olive Garden for family events lol. I think gatekeeping food is so annoying. Let people enjoy things, especially food.
I think there's room for both mindsets as long as you're not a jerk about it. It's important to preserve some food history, but that doesn't mean that food can't change over time, too
1000% I love me some chicken Alfredo 😫
"I didn't pick on YOU specifically" yeah but he did though. The "you're not a chef, Danny" comment?
I legit make lasagna soup all the time. As a home cook, it's way easier and faster than building a lasagna from scratch, but gives pretty much the same flavor profile. I recommend.
this reminds my of a quote that is extremely unfortunately from a louis ck bit but it’s so relevant:
“when you say to a friend of yours ‘You’re being an asshole’ and they’re like, ‘No, I’m not.’ Well, it’s not up to you if you’re an asshole or not. That’s up to everybody else. You don’t get to say no to that.”
500 till pencil drama💥
I will make the drama myself if I have to😊 edit: I had a dream that the notif for the video was called "the holy video" and sometimes my dreams tell the future🤷(/mj)
God I can't fuckin wait. Gonna be the video of the year
Something I see too often is people who become very successful within their industry shit on people who are doing whatever they do (e.g. cook) casually or for fun. Like, most people aren’t trying to get a michelin star, they are just having fun cooking dinner.
for real, the chef was like "i can tell you aren't a chef!!! 😡" and it's like...yeah? he's just some guy?
I now want lasagna, truly evil of you evil Pinely
We have to help Evil Pinely out. Everyone needs to subscribe for the pencil video and then immediately start pencil drama online.
U know what thats a really good solution
This is the type of guy that will never take accountability for ANYTHING no matter how many people tell him he's wrong.
This dude's response to Danny's very tame reaction to his quite mean-spirited, definitely not "tongue in cheek" video tells me very clearly that he was just being very much a jerk
Lasagna soup is not making a chocolate milkshake in a toilet or a massive velveeta filled meatball dude. It sounded nothing like tongue in cheek, it sounded like a chef high on his own farts beating down a tiktoker.
I make Lasgana soup for my grandpa. It's easier for him to eat then traditional lasgana.
You could almost say this drama is... Layered😅
Unlike soup-lasagna 😔
@@cardboard2nightlasagna soup still had layers. They're just messy layers
GIMMIE A SHIRT THAT SAYS SORRY CARDBOARD BUDGET RAN OUT WITH THE GUYS 0:54 YOU CANT CROP THEM OUT OF FRAME AND MAKE US FORGET
The only Britanian chef that can be mean is Gordon Ramsay. Anyone else can shut up forever 😂
Britanian????
@@reaganjaeganit’s like they’ve merged the words Brittanic/British and the -an ending like American. Creative, I like it.
There are no pencils in this lasagna?! How do you expect me to eat this?!
[source: i live in Italy] LASAGNA SOUP IS ALREADY AN EXISTING TRADITIONAL DISH! It’s called Maltagliati (which translates to badly cut, actually lmfao) but IT IS ALREADY A TRADITIONAL EMILIA-ROMAGNA DISH - you can have it “in brodo” with soup and you can also have it with tomato sauce or what have you - lasagna soup is just the rebrand 😭
I think it would be funny if after asking for the pencil video for so long, none of us actually watched it
i make a lot of experimental food. its not out of any malice or disrespect for the cultures of origin that i do this-- i have texture restrictions but i love the flavors of certain foods and want to enjoy them. one easy accessible way i found to endure texture issues? make it soup! basically anything can be souped, the only limitation is the judgement of others
Gordon Ramsey also plays up the anger, shouts and screams. He's very theatrical about it. This dude is just lounging on his couch "Your not a fucking chef cookin like that are ye" like it's personal. He's *mad* but mostly inside. He's insulting the guy. The vibes are rancid
The artist community is struggling with fraudulent color pencils being sold on common online retailers. It become difficult to know if tou are buying legitimate high quality color pencils or the fake ones. This is the video.
I can't wait for the pencil video, it's gonna be absolutely legendary with all this buildup!!
Just when I think there couldn’t be a stranger thing to start drama over, TikTok never disappoints
I can tell that this video was edited by a different editor than the one that usually works on these and I think they're doing a pretty great job except for one thing and that is music levels. Like pretty much every instance of background music should be about 2-3 times quieter relative to current levels I think. Oh and the reverb effects also get pretty distracting at times so maybe pull that dry/wet knob back a little too. If not for these 2 things I wouldn't've even questioned if there's a new editor or not so ya know :)
lasagna soup is delicious and has been a thing for years. It’s essentially tomato soup with ground beef and lasagna sheets. Italians are going to hate me, but when I didn’t have a big oven and had to use my slow cooker oven setting, i used to make lasagna deconstructed
I find it funny how so many are saying, "THIS IS AN INSULT TO ITALIAN CUISINE!!!! >:[ " meanwhile, my Sicilian bisnona made something incredibly similar when i was a kid, and its a recipe my family still makes today.
The whole point of italian food is that its comfort food from readily available and cheap ingredients, its basically made to be experimented with, you just have to look at how different many dishes are all over italy's many regions and cities, pasta dishes in Palermo will look different compared to dishes made in Genoa or Milan, and even from family to family you will find home recipes like this, "non-traditional" comfort dishes.
10:43 that is a real thing, though, just like life hacks that blatantly don’t work and rely on hate watching, there are absurd recipes on tiktok that make no sense and look disgusting and have the same model. I know it sounds weird even if you’ve never seen it but it’s pretty common
I swear the #1 thing I've seen in articles written about empathy, is to NOT downplay people's emotions and tell them they overacted. What kind of prick tells someone who feels hurt by their words that they are overreacting?
I think at this point Pinely is gonna have to do something controversial which includes pencils
Just go on dramatically about your favorite pencils...slowly zooming into its details...while you're crying in the background at its sheer beauty
"I thought you were a troll video." Oof, get out a ukulele for this non-apology.
Not Pinely trying to sneak in another non-pencil video to distract us. It won't work we need that pencil video the second u hit 100k
Also I broke my last pair of headphones the same way and had to use a bunch of duct tape to try and keep them together until I could afford new ones.
Sometimes I think people are like really anti-bullying but only when it's applied to them. They also see themselves as a victims and can't possibly be bullies themselves.
That's what I'm seeing from that chef, especially from his "response". That he's so very different from the people who treated him poorly cuz his was apparently "just a joke" and "not personal". But idk how shit talking someone's prep technique and the food they made in their own kitchen isn't personal
regular pencil vs very fancy mechanical pencils that rotate so the thickness of the lines are even, theres limited edition studio ghibli mechanical pencils from the brand kokuyo, they might have a monopoly on mechanical pencils
id hate for this dude to see the rations i eat daily
Imagine being british and claiming the thing you did with food is culturally wrong, when you come from the place that got a ton of food from places it colonized. Where does he think curry came from? France? And even then, british curry is so different. Why do people go after americans for this then forget EVERYONE does it.
Things are heating up in the cooking fandom.
Ok, I've made lasagna soup already and it's amazing. I should make it again this week. It's so easy too. I broke up my noodles a little smaller than this and made mine a little soupier, and put blobs of ricotta on top to be ✨fancy✨
“You took me out of context!”
“I’m sorry you felt that way!”
Continues to insult the guys cooking.
Continues talking down and belittle the person he's supposed to be apologize to.
Jeeez he did every single red flag talkingpoint in his fake apology. What immature, old bully. 😂
We could start the pencil drama ourselves if it helps
At work sustainability meeting they told me “we got bamboo pencils, they’re biodegradable!” I said “…what do you think pencils are made from?”
On rhe chefs being mean, i watched a chef make an event planner cry. This was the beginning of a christmas party for a bank. It was pretty wild
Nothing better than a defensive apology!
we're at 100k, a deals a deal, where’s the pencil video.
Haha, seeing Orr casually drop the stereotypical Italian accent without actually mentioning that he is Italian... what a guy.
CONGRATS ON 100K HOLY CRAP. pencil drama here we come 😈
i love the pasta guy he’s so cool
Hey Evil Pinely, just wanted to say your jokes and comedic editing were really on point in this video :)
ah yes, the classic "it's not bullying because i the bully said it's not"
We need to create pencil drama so Orr doesn't break his brain trying to think of the pencil video
I always find it funny when people say “they took it out of context” when really what they mean is “I did it in the context of thinking I was funny and brilliant and people did not agree”
thank you evil pinely for catering to me as my current hyperfixation is stardew valley and you put sdv music in the background
The difference between Paul Foster and Gordon Ramsay is that Ramsay is funny and usually reacts to rage bait cooking Tiktoks!
I made the lasagna soup a lot over the winter. That shit is so great.
Merriam-Webster defines pencil as "an instrument for writing, drawing, or marking consisting of or containing a slender cylinder or strip of a solid marking substance"
hope this helps homie
Chefs aren’t any authority over home cooking. The two skills are not as close as you’d think. Chefs need to have a broad but not deep understanding of many dishes. Their technique is refined for speed and mass production not necessarily taste or experimentation.
Yassss 100k
Pencil drama whereeeeee
All italian dishes: a carb + tomato + cheese
Wow... so creative... no improvements possible...
can't wait for the pencil drama, we are so close!!!
Me after the pencil video wasn’t released the moment you hit 100k: 🤬
Where is the pencil mr evil sir
The thing about Gordon Ramsay 'insulting' other chefs is that it's so exaggerated that it can hardly be taken as anything but satire/lighthearted.
He is loud, he's laughing, he's standing and majority of his 'insults' result to "what are you doing?!" in a fake shocked tone but this chef is low energy, swearing and personalizing the insults.
Gordon is like the fun uncle that's teasing you, this chef is like the older brother making fun of you
PENCIL DRAMA SOON GUYS
breaking headphones when u try to put them on....that was me...guess i have a big head
Your Italian accent is spot on, coming from a 100% blooded non-Italian
Love the way the title flows
okay, did not expect the stardew valley music in the background
Send Keith to this man's restaurant IMMEDIATELY.