The Goths Cross the Danube (376) / The Fall of Rome #1
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It's been a while since I've done a Romans video. So naturally I decided to tackle the most challenging of all subjects. The Fall of the Western Roman Empire. This is going to be a lengthy series, probably taking years to fully finish, but eventually we will follow the Goths along with a host of other factions all the way from their early roots beyond the frontier to the deposition of the last Roman Emperor in 476 AD. Hopefully it'll tie in nicely to my other videos on the early Middle Ages. Don't forget to like, subscribe and share if you like what you see, and let me know what moments, characters, battles you are looking forward to! (For me it's all about the Huns... )
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It will be great to seriously analyse rome's fall and the lesson we can draw from its defeat for our modern times.
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I bet you there's a whole untapped youtube market for these types of historical documentaries (particularly longer ones, like this). Documentaries that are made by passionate historians for a youtube audience, and not for television.
What do you mean by untapped? There is a huge market for it.
@@joshbennett3768 That's what I mean. There is a huge market, but there aren't many youtube channels producing 30 min+ detailed documentaries.
Been happening for a few years, but it's getting better and better with time.
Oi the market's pretty well and tapped now.
That took a while 🤛
I can feel the people who grew up during those times . Believing that Rome would last forever
Not that different from the average americans perception of their nation. Literally cannot picture a world without it even as the cracks start to show and expand.
By this time Rome was a shadow of its former self. Civil wars and corruption had plagued the empire. By this time most barbarians were Romanized.
@@421less1 the thing is is we live in a different time now and different circumstances i see the similarities between rome and the us but at the same time the us is surrounded by oceans, has tremendous nuclear capabilities, and a large army plus the worlds largest navy. not counting the civilians who own a majority percentage of the worlds privately owned weapons. militarily they will be fine they just need to fix their economy and get a good leader which has been lacking lately
@@65stang98 1, civilians owning weapons means next to nothing, especially in modern times. Civilians arent going to do shit to a military force that has already beaten the us army and made landfall. Thats fantasy.
2. The US army is indeed big and impressive. It is however extremely dependent on tech. You should look into how the US does in wargames with other civilized nations. They generally do well with pefect conditions but make them use different equipment and less technological advanced shit they get smacked around. Then when you learn all of their home defense monitoring, as well as their entire military all run on windows 98, and is super vulnerable they dont seem all that invincible.
3. Dont take comfort in anyones nuclear arsenal. Because when those get shot humanity is going to be wrapped up.
@@421less1 their isnt even a country on earth that could afford to get their military to the US mainland. nor does any country on earth have the landing crafts to do so. Plus theyd have to deal with the navy and airforce the whole way over not counting our allies as well. all air and naval forces of opposing countries would be decimated by superior us numbers and tech. also nuclear power itself isnt as much as an offensive weapon as its a deterrent. its a last ditch effort to destroy the enemy when no other options are available. No human that is sane would ever want to see a piece of the world wiped off the map. i wouldnt be surprised if a nuclear weapon is never used in actual warfare from here on out. Also the civilians is just a bonus. But you cant say 250 million people armed with ARs tank planes basically everything the military has wouldnt be a problem? thats a bit of a stretch. Look at any modern military vs guerilla warfare they dont tend to do0 very good. esp in the terrain of the us. invading armies will be traveling through nothing but steep mountains and empty dry deserts full of millions upon millions of guerilla fighters. truly a tactical nightmare for any invasion.
The fact that the erstwhile Roman province of Dacia is now Romania, and its inhabitants speak a Romanic language in a sea of Slavonic, gives an indication of its status.
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The German Goths had crossed the Danube as early as 240 AD. when Gordian III faced them. Their target was the provinces of Mysia, Pannonia and Thrace. In 280 AD the emperor Provos allowed them for the first time to settle en masse in Thrace. 100,000 German Goths then settled there. Their goal in the next century and until 400 AD. was to conquer Constantinople, so they were defeated.
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Great video though, can tell so much work goes into them. I wonder how much contact with the Roman world played a part in the changes beyond the borders.
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There's a great doc here on YT about how malaria contributed to the fall. It came on the ships crossing the Med from north Africa, first devastating key agricultural communities on the coast. With no one to work the fields, food shortages were the immediate effect, especially for the Legionnaires. As we know from Napoleon, armies march on their stomachs. The disease quickly spread north, and they were helpless against it. It killed ruthlessly, no respecter of persons or class. This is a relatively new discovery, but they've found quite a bit of supportive evidence. It makes sense that some outside force was working against the mighty Romans, to cause such a fall to technologically inferior people. It was said when Rome fell, it was like the mother of the earth had died, that's how far reaching their influence was. Fascinating topic, I wonder what civilization's fall will be studied 1000 years from now, though I'm sure they'll still be scrutinizing the Romans as well.
You cannot just say that and not to post the link to the doc !
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Hey man,
As usual, great video and narration. I enjoy the slower and rested style you have. May I suggest you start posting these as podcasts too? I listen to your videos while working, but obviously can't look at the screen, so in podcast style and so far, it hasn't affected my experience at all. It seems like an easy way to expand your audience.
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Hey! Thanks very much. History Time is already a podcast! You can find us on iTunes !
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These longer episodes are really good and gives great examples of the complicated intricacies of world politics at this time and in the realm of the geopolitics.
Glad you like them! Cheers
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Nice work, man!
Glad you liked it! Thanks so much
Great job balancing the multiple perspectives of the different peoples involved, while still providing dramatic storytelling. That's a tough task, and this is a difficult subject, so I really enjoyed this video. Keep it up, I'm looking forward to the rest of the series.
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What shocks me is the fact that the Goths presented here are looking like they are Dacians from the Trajan's column. The way they are dressed, armed and the dragon from the shield (old Dacian wolf) seems to be open a gate long time closed. Have the Dacians (called Gets by the Greeks) and the Gots something in common?
He's just showing random iconic Roman imagery.
@@histguy101 And you believe that Dacians/Gets had nothing to do with the Gothic invasions? I believe it is out of the question that Goths were primary Germanic tribes but there are zero chances to be so numerous those times. That was my point.
@@romaniaplus I believe the involvement of the Carpi Dacians are mentioned in the video.
@@histguy101 Some historians underlines that Dacians dissipated and vanished from history somewhere between 3rd and 6th centuries. Being a sedentary population in the northern side of the Danube and a relative numerous one it is hard to understand what happened with them.
Is there any detailed information about battles between Goths and Huns? The last stand in the Carpathians between semi-civilized barbarians and bloodthirsty deformed semi-nomads really fascinates me.
Next video in the series :)
Sure, they made a movie about it; Nosferatu. :P
Cassiodorus, or Getica of Jordanes
What do you mean by deformed?
Christopher Kavanaugh thanks that's actually quite interesting, I suppose it's the idea of them all being bow legged through riding horses so much
Carlo Troya historian from 1784-1858 and Prime Minister of two Sicilies Kingdom in his book Hystory of Italy in the Middle Ages (8700 pages) more than 3500 pages are about the Goths. In volume
II (1) Eruli e Goti he published an Appendix, Fasti Getici o Gotici (A Getic or Gothic History), volume II(2) contains another annex, Paralipomeni a Fasti Getici o Gotici (Daco-Getae-Normand Facts), basically dismantles the greatest error of ancient history (Tacitus and Pliny the Younger), namely that both branches of Goths, the Visigoths and Ostrogoths were of Germanic origin. While the Geto-Goths were guided by the harmonious Belagine laws inspired by Deceneus, Germanic tribes used a method of pricing a person in case of reward, guidrigildo or wergild, a savage procedure in Geto-Goths view. Also were very different in language, building knowledge of architecture, music, medicine, etc. But Goths incorporates in time some Germanic tribes like Vandals and Borgognons. Not to mention the Caracalla edict from 209-211 after murdering his brother Geta along with other 20k supporters, that damnatio memoria of the name Geta, Gete was forbidden to use so Geta, Gete became Goth.
Gothic architecture is one of the my favourite architectures in the world.I am really happy to see a video about goths from your channel!
First of many. Hopefully we can reclaim the word Goth from the subculture...
_EMO_ You don’t know how much I hate them :/
I love gothic architecture too! However, I would want to point out that it has approximately as much to do with the actual Goths as the modern subculture has. The term originated in the Renaissance as a derogatory one - basically dismissing the style of the High and Late Middle Ages as barbaric. This was the beginning of a long process of misappropriating the word "gothic", which started getting weird during the Romanticism.
Fine
What the other guy said about Gothic architecture. Artur M
Great subject! One thing I find interesting is that as Rome was falling, you saw the rise of the Republic of Venice, the the Genoans, the the Neapolitan and other kingdoms around the Italian peninsula. I’m a huge fan of the Venetians. They have such a fascinating story.
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We get a glimpse into the depth and nature of this guy's grasp of history from the video title. This wasn't the 'fall of Rome' -it was the fall of the Western Roman Empire. The Roman Empire in the east continued for another 1000 years.
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9:46 Haha! When I was a kid, my love for history started in a world of warriors at 1/72 scale... Love your vids, they get better each time.
I can not wait for the next video!
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The geopolitics of the day must have been crazy
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This is a great explanation to why Rome fell under the Goths, these people were way better equipped for conquest now that they settled and prospered in Romanized lands. Essentially, they learned how to transform their way of living from clanship to statehood, paving the way to abandon their raiding mentality and to be replaced by permanent conquest.
I think the fall of Rome was caused by over extension and out-dated bureaucracy than it has to do with giving up lands without violence.
What I explained, is how the Goths were able to sustain their lands and bureaucracy after they conquered Rome, not why Rome fell.
By the end of the 1st century AD, Rome was already giving its powers to foreign born emperors, and the army was more and more made up of foreigners.By the 4th AD century the whole empire was run by foreigners, and Italians nowhere to be seen.When the Punic wars were going on in the 3rd century BC, and the Romans suffered huge losses, they did not give up but kept on fighting until victory was achieved.The reason because at that time all the army and roman power system was 100% roman, not foreign born.When the nation gets repopulated with foreigners its inevitable that the empire will collapse.The US and all the western Europe filling up themselves with foreigners will end up in the same way as the ancient romans did.
@@wuppas Are you just saying that because you're culturally and racially sensitive with diversity in the US and Europe.
Cause your whole argument doesn't make any seance lol.
Your explanation about the Goths and the Rome is obsolete and unreal.Go back to your history classes for a start.
@Helmholtz You start off by saying Rome fell because they let in foreign influence and then you don't make a single example of it. But you jump straight ahead to give its equivalent in modern times in Europe and the US.
Rome did not fall because they let foreign people ( out of a sudden ). They incorporated foreign people since the conquest of Italy and since conquest of Gaul. Everyone knows that any people who are conquered by Rome have to serve in their military ranks and become citizens.
So how about stopping this racial sensitivity and realize that your "western civilization" is not going to fall because of people of different color.
I could watch these all day.
Good narration ... Loved it
Nice work as always ! If you're doing Roman Hx let me know if you need maps - got a stock pile of them you ya
Thanks man! That's much appreciated!
I'm curious if any of the history CC's are looking through the online google books archive for copyright expired materials. IIRC the channel TopTenzNet (no affiliation) had an upload within the last 2 weeks about the Google books archives and copyright materials that are soon to expire this year. I imagine there is an enormous amount of potential copyright free artwork available to anyone that is willing to do a bit if digging and research.
I'm no expert on fair use or copyright, but as I understand it, any book with a 1923 copyright or earlier is considered public domain. It might be an interesting source of fresh visuals.
-Jake
I’d love to have more images - can’t wait
At min. 17:28, 23: 43, 26: 30 you used pictures of the Dacians on the Trajan's column, built by Apolodor of Damascus, at the request of Emperor Trajan. Those are Dacians or geti , not Goths. In 625 spiral images are presented the two wars with the Dacians 101-102 and 105-106. In Dacia the use of the Latin language from then until today continued. Romania remained an island of Latinity in a sea of Slavic peoples. Those who remained north of the Danube were the Dacians and the Roman veterans of the legions of Gemina and Macedonica. Dacians were a name given by the Romans to those who lived in Dacia. The Greeks said Geti to those who lived in Dacia. Some historians have altered a letter, and Geti have become Goti.
The Dacians and Getae must be removed from history and replace with Goti ( Goths).
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Phenomonal video im exited for the full series. Ive really appreciated all the longer videos. Cheers mate keep it up
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Fantastic video, love how you put everything together
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In some sense, the cultural impact of the ancient Romans echoes to this very day. It’s in many of our languages, religions, traditions, and serves as the foundation of modern cities. There was greatness in the human potential of the ancient Romans. We look back on them and realize what humanity can accomplish when we form a civilization that aspires for greatness.
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Great work! Looking forward to part 2.
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The goths own story is that they came from Scandinavia as did some of the other tribes that moved south and south-east. They even had contact with their kinsmen in what was to become Sweden as late as in the 9th century. There are regions in Sweden today called Västergötland, Östergötland and Gotland that has been around since the before the romans.
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The celestial snake, draco, on the shields is Getic, Germanic tribes have nothing to do with it.
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Glad you like!
From someone who has auditory processing issues, thank you for matching up a name of a famous person whenever you mention them!
Could you caption your videos as well?
this video is gold.
How can you end with such a cliffhanger sentence and not have #2 following right behind is beyond me.. So frustrating. You have a very good narrative, eh? :-)
North of Danube River lived the Getae(southern Dacians) or Geti (in romanian)... Get, got... I can understand the confusion.
Not to mention the swedish geats that also get confused with the goths. As the geats were from Götaland and the goths from Gotland
sciphynuts Osrto means sharp in Serbian and Visi means Higher in Serbian!Like word Barbarian from old Serbian language but its more complicated I forgot how it was build.It was Bar first what means at least in Serbian and they were Nomads with only possession what they have needed or Bar a bare minimum.Later Bar becomes barbarin but its a long story...
@sciphynuts ostro means East, gots from East and gots from west, visigoths...
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That was a good 1 on a time in history I have been trying 2 learn more bout lately 👍👍
Thanks friend
Can you make a similar long video about Dacia and the daco-roman continuity after the Aurelian retreat? Great video btw
Eventually! Aurelian's reign will be looked at in detail
You should post a disclaimer in advance "a 50 years old version of history"!
@David Bond The three most important surviving histories of the Goths in late antiquity are those by Jordanes, Isidore of Seville, and Procopius,in these primary sources the Getae /Dacians appear called as the goths and vice versa..modern historians ignore these sources calling them wrong but still use them to build their own propaganda around them for their own nationalistic agenda .
Very good! I love history- and enjoyed this
Most writers place the fall of the western half of the Roman Empire far too late, when the final Roman Emperor was deposed by the Germans. But there had been no government or civil order in the Empire for a century before that, the title emperor was completely empty. Crossing the Rhine was the beginning of the end, and the sack of Rome can be considered the end. The Middle Ages began immediately, with the gradual desertion of the cities that were no longer safe to live in.
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Interesting to see how Romanized the Goths where.
they tried to restore Rome and maintain it in the same way as the empire, it was actually Justinian that started the dark ages by wrecking Italy.
The goths and francs were a gift for Rome(a gift of mercenarys).
If you're referring to the Goths north of the Danube in the late 4th century, that is largely because this was the former Roman province of Dacia they had settled in. It was urbanized, Latinized, and even somewhat Christianized.
As for the comment about Justinian wrecking Italy, that's not true. Italy was successfully reconquered in a few short years before the Bubonic plague struck. The army was weakened and the Goths fought back. The Goths wreaked havoc on many cities, including Rome, which was depopulated by their actions.
Justinian funded a large rebuilding program all across the peninsula after the war concluded.
Many of them were already mercenaries in the Roman armies that’s why
@@histguy101 Could you please enlighten us when was Dacia "conquered", became Rome's province, for how long and how much of their kingdom was ever occupied in order to claim that they were latinized?
5:37 that on the shield looks like the Dacian Draco ... the standard ensign of troops of the ancient Dacian people.
Part of the problem for Rome was that, now that they were under Rome's auspices, when Rome called upon them for troops, Rome provided their own arsenals to all those warriors.
I would add one key, often overlooked fact - after First Ecumenical Council, followers of Arius converted some Germanic tribes, giving them mission and a new broader worldview.
Cheers! Nice input
@@HistoryTime you forgot that part,
Suhel Mullick No. this is part one in a 20 part series.
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9:47 where did you find that image !!! ???
This is a very complicated period and you are doing a great job explaining it. Very impressive. I hope to see more of the political rivalry and chaos among the Goths in part 2. The survival story of the Goths being sandwiched between the Huns and Romans is a truly amazing story.
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Great work as usual. Hailing from one of the last corners of the WRE to fall I was taught the "Empire against the savages" narrative. However I always felt that something was missing... specially with the goths.
Could you make a smaller video explaining the differences between the Thervingi and Greuthungi and their society and culture pre-Adrianople a bit futher if possible? They seem to be unlike any of the tribes that roamed the steppes and Germania before them and it's a shame that so little is known about them.
Thankyou! Next episode will go into a lot of this :)
@@HistoryTime that is great to hear
I guess the Hun horsemen werent exactly desired by the local women
The year is 370 ad "the Roman empire is one of the largest states to the world ever known.
Meanwhile in the future:
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Btw,dear channel thank you for your work and way of editing its like living in the past and i really enjoyed.
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Love the idea of the video, so thumbs up :).
Still there are 3 things I would like to point out:
1. You kept saying that the barbarians north of the Danube had little knowledge initially of the Roman way of life. But there was the Dacian tribes / kingdoms for a few hundred years which were in contact and emulated in a certain extend the Romans, then there was Dacia as a Roman province, etc;
2. Beware of the pictures showing Goths, as the one presented by you show a warrior with a shield on which is depicted the Dacian / Getae tribes, which were there before the Romans and the Goths, and due to the name and location similarity wrecked havock in the minds of the early historians (of course some of them were still living there once the Goths arrived, only adding to the confusion);
3. The war that broke the balance in the region is called the Marcomannic Wars, not Macromannic.
Besides these mentions, can't wait for the next part to appear. :)
Hey there. Thanks! 1. I was stressing the standard Roman viewpoint, not the actual reality. Some 'Barbarians' had a lot of contact and knowledge of Romans, as is shown later throughout the video. 2. There were only a handful of copyright images on the internet. 3. True!
Next episode is a goodun!
Thank you for bringing history to life!
Thanks for watching my friend!
Since the goths (ostrogoths and visigoths) crossed the danube, every western european has a germanic barbarian ancestor
I wonder if a parallel between the Huns and ISIS could be drawn? The Goths essentially being the ancient equivalent of refugees and migrants.
Except the fact Roman politicians didn't support the Huns, yes maybe.
True that, almost all terrorist groups that feature in the Western mainstream media seem to get some kind of funding or support from Western governments. FAKEugees go home!
Actually some did. Goth by the time were being used as mercernanires by various Emperors and Generals @@zied6456
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History Time It really is. Also he said that a video about the Bruce will come out this week and from what I've seen so far, the video will be great.
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Please do part two soon
Your videos are great!
Looking foreword more of the Goths!
Thanks! Much more on the way :)
Thanks! Much more on the way!
I do want to ask about the recent evidence about the Goths being from Poland instead of Scandinavia? Is there a place where I can view more about this?
Those are strong tugs on our hearts. What would you have us do?...weep for the Romans? Would you have us consider how lovely it would be to belong to someone's Empire?
You are reading me completely backwards. Just because I share DNA with carthaginians Romans and greeks doesn't make me their automatic side-taker. The Romans, the arrogant USA of their day, had continuously mis-used other tribes, but the Goths were of another cut. The brilliant warrior Cniva destroyed a Roman army and two emperors, a feat duplicated by Fritigerno, 1 army 2 emperors at the Danube. The Baltos clan, such as kings Alarico, Ataulfo, Liuvigildo directed much of the Visigoths war and statecraft.