Star Citizen - Do NOT Buy This Game, Not Yet...
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- Опубликовано: 5 авг 2024
- With every backer under the sun going nuts because Lirik played Star Citizen, I hope this video helps give some grounding to any potential future Citizen so they FULLY understand what Star Citizen is and it's history, because the amount of blind fanboys in Lirik's chat hyping this game up was incredibly misleading. I'm not even going to get into the whole "Oh look, Lirik plays Star Citizen with 40k viewers and JUST happens to be on the same 50 player server as Zyloh-CIG and Twerk17's group of paid for pushers....
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I'm sorry ... did you say you gave them ten THOUSAND dollars?
That's considered light spending to what a large number of backers have put into this game honestly.
@@FailureToReport "If everyone else jumped off a bridge ..." weird how much sense my parents made, now that I'm older. I'm just in awe that a company can motivate that level of devotion. To spend THAT MUCH money on what could end up as vaporware?! I'm in AWE of Chris Roberts. That's just ... incredible!
@@GamingTeaParty Well it's not quite vaporware as the video game actually exists, can be installed and interacted with. Just that it's more "video" than "game". In a way it's like buying Drop/Loot Boxes or pulling the lever on a slot machine. All "games" in the end :)
10 thousand dollars ? I just spat out my coffee. I just scraped together 1.5 thousand for a brand new pc. Giving 10 k to any game is borderline insane.
I can understand his disappointment then - hope he gets enough views on RUclips to recoup some of that money.
I backed in 2013, and I'm in 140 USD (Freelancer). The amount of forum drama I've enjoyed over the years have been great fun, much more than the game itself. I will not back with one more dollar before I see some real interesting gameplay coming out - currently we have the Best Damn Screen Shot Generator (BDSSG) to play.
My friend tossed $15,000 in one shot at this game I was like wooooooooooooooooot?!?! And me saving up for a decent car lmao
LMFAO!
Some people have different priorities in what they spend their money on and there is nothing wrong with that. I just hope your friend has $15,000 of disposable income and not maxing out credit cards as that is not good.
3k dislikes... For a well laid-out argument and discussion. Only critique I have: The segment with Roberts speaking; the volume was MUCH lower than your volume. Otherwise, good video.
I think it’s because people are on the fence where he sits.
He is emotionally Involved with this argument. It’s not “all” facts. Most of this is salt because he gave $10,000 for a $65 max game.
He’s salty that it didn’t become “his” dream. Just because it’s taking too long or he didn’t fit in with it.
But his argument as you said was quite balanced and well thought through. It’s made me think twice before investing any more money. A lot of people just enjoy the experience, because they have that feeling of optimism, that yes he games taking 10+ years... but the content is coming every 3 months. The servers are getting less buggy. The single player campaign is making progress. The scale is improving. Multiple crew applications are becoming more and more focused.
It’s just as everyone’s a little caught up in the excitement. CIS is trying to demolish the market, crush ED for scale and complexity, they’re trying to build a game worth $300m with too little staff, on too large a scale. The success relies on 1 thing. Lack of greed, if CIS stay true to he customer base. They’ll have future proof game like WoW, being the “Tesla” of the space game industry.
If they cut it short, Sure it’s going to crash and burn and piss 3 million people off and possibly ruin lives. But the potential for human decency is there.
Meanwhile the 2.3? Million customers are all strung up with the clear and blatantly risky dream of a augmented reality space game that they can play with friends. A lot of them growing up with star was, Star Trek, stargate, battlestar etc. And they want a piece of it. Because it’s the closest they’ll ever get to space.
So in conclusion, they probably disliked because it’s slightly bias.
Yes it’s risky. But if we’d never taken the risk of leaving the caves, we wouldn’t be the dominant species on the planet. And soon to be the solar system.
People are becoming blatant aware that they’re going to become the forgotten generation.
Too late to discover the world.
To unlucky to discover mars.
Born to early to see commercial space flights.
They’re probably the “Lead me, follow me, or get put of my way” kind of person. And there’s nothing wrong with it.
There’s nothing wrong with this argument. Everyone’s different and has a different perspective.
I personally see star citizen as a risky, over complicated scam. There’s something fishy about the complexity, lack of optimisation. The deliberately handicapped economy with in game having a almost direct scale to minimum wage. $7.99 (10,000 credits) being expected to find 10,000,000 to buy an in game ship. Or the equivalent time to earn $7000. Absolutely ludicrous.
But at least it looks pretty whilst glitching through the floor, dying for no reason in a perpetual ground hog day that encourages drugs trafficking.
yeah, nothing beats spending $10k and telling others not to spend a cent. great video, so, so great.
That wasn´t a discussion.
Dude didn't even emphasize the 10grand he put in. First time I listened I thought I got it wrong. Jesus Christ. What is wrong with people.
Can I have $10k? I'll make you a rocket with a parachute guy that floats down on a successful mission!
mushy wow ,wow ,wow wait there ! First come first serve !! I'll give you 11 grand !
Hey wait, that's my name!
Talking about kerbal space program?
@@benfly-rinker6924 sir you back off. I was mushy on the bbs & muds of the day. I do not recall you there Sir Mushy II*
@@drowningin I'll give ya that, I don't think I could walk when muds were a thing
I believe it was John Carmack who once said it was better to focus on doing a few things well, than to try and do a lot of things poorly. Chris Roberts has great vision, but poor focus. He needs to hire a project manager with a reputation for banging skulls together and getting things done.
Disagree. Great things take great amount of time, also that saying is out of context. Chris Roberts is doing exactly what you're saying. He's focusing on small bits of the game and making it as good as can be before moving on. THat's why its taking so damn long to make. That of course will take time, but he's not trying to do mass amount of things. Baby steps, and doing it right on each step is the key.
You dont have to dumb down and make garbage games because that's what you're used too now.. Great games can be done. They just take a long time to do.
Eternally Angelic he’s also spent everything backers have given him so far and isn’t even halfway there yet...
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so?
You say that like it's some ending logical point... would you mind making a point?
I'm going to assume you're trying to bash him for that specific statement, and saying he should of finished the game by now...
But you can't be that stupid... so I don't know what you're trying to say..
I'll humor the ridiculous idea that you seem to think a game should be finished in X amount of years, and X amount of money or "its bad" or "wrong" or some other ridiculous mindset.
My only question than to you is why?
Why can't they spend years making a good game? Who says a game has to be done and made in 4-5 years?
Perhaps you're just too used to getting shafted up the ass by the AAA devs who don't give a fuck, and forgot that games actually take a long time and is difficult to create if you aren't half assing it.
Take into account it took 2 years to create Star Wars Battlefront 2 and that was 99% copy pasted from Battlefront 1.
2 years to copy paste 95% of what they already made, and half ass the rest.
We're talking about an RP rich, fully immersive space game here. Something which has never been remotely done to this scale.. a vast majority of what they've had to do has never been done before. There isn't some template code they can copy paste, most of the technology 5-6 years ago was thought impossible, but here we are, pushing new boundaries in gaming BECAUSE of Star Citizens.
If you're saying "then they should be making the game if its going to take so long" like many cop outs try to argue when they lose the main argument, to that, I say fuck you as a gamer.
I don't want the "run of the mill" AAA garbage. They've been destroying gaming for the last 10 years at least releasing half baked, half assed sorry excuses for games and selling them at mint price.
Good on Star Citizens to finally break that mold, and be dedicated to making an excellent fully fledged game that pushes the boundaries of our technology and gaming. As a gamer, I welcome this whole heartedly.
Haters gonna hate, but the jokes on them.
Eternally Angelic ohhh shit your knickers came well and truly off. I’m not even reading all that lol
Actually the Doom series is a great exemple of NONE EVOLVING, albeit it that it has hordes of content players such as myself.
Doom has developed extremely "narrowly" over the years. I had at least as much fun with the old Doom games, it's mostly graphics that are enhanced now.
(Take an hour to read up on all the new tech CI is pushing for SC, and you'll see other developers pale in compared to it.)
Carmack is an autistic dinosaur refining the bloodsplatterpatterns endlessly much like old car brands like Ferrari, while new ground is broken by Köningsegg, Musk e t c.
I’m a Roberts fan boy. Have been since I first played Wing Commander. Never backed the game though. I will. The day it’s released, I’m all in, but not one day early.
^This.
And if everyone thinks like you, the game would never be released.
@@s3to87 if they need to sucker people into paying $10 000 for the game maybe it shouldn't be worked on in the first place.
@@vjbd2757 and yet based on what we see... it doesn't look like the game is anything more than a pledge fest for money, from ships to land to buggys, to titles back in the day, to fish tanks...
i wish it did look like it was on track for release, but im not holding my breath
I'm in a different boat. I pledged for a ship, about $80. I tried it on a free weekend and what the game had to offer justified what I spent for what I had access to and I felt it was reasonable. I didn't spend money on the premises of what it will be but what it was then/now. I still play it a lot and have made that money worth the time I've spent. Things that I like have changed / went away but that happens to every game and there was far more added than that I had to start with.
I fully support your idea though, nothing against not wanting early Alpha as there are tons of games that I wouldn't touch for that reason and would by after full release (assuming it's well done/complete).
they cant finish game because they make too much money of selling "dreams"
Your that one man who does a car review but doesn't even get to drive the car
@@kibb4667 I own many flying "cars" I bought from Chris Roberts, almost 1000$ invested beyond the base game starting pack, whats your point?
I agree with everything you said. Personaly I'm wondering if I'll be able to play before I die. I'm 69 years old and have some health issues. It is taking a lots of years to finish this game and seeing the bugs I believe also it will take many years to complete. I'm a very big fan of the game and joined in Dec 2012. I'm also a suscriber on concierge level and close to be Space Marshall. Being an old timer gamer I invested in Star Citizen because I knew Chris Roberts having played most of its past games starting with Wing Commander series, then Privateer, Starlancer and Freelancer finaly. Knowing how good his games were I decided to trust him to deliver Star Citizen being sure it will be a out of the ordinary game. This man has fire inside him because he is doing the dream of a lifetime. Failure is not an option as it will destroy his dream and his name. Contrary to some, I would have never invest that much if it wasn't for him at the head. Like many I have some periods of doubts sometrime especialy when I was seeing all that was add-up to the game. Even if the sum of everything, including the additions in the game, seem a real dream coming true, like we never saw before, I was a bit sad that all these were adding years of work to the project. Like FTR said we cannot talk much in the forum because we have to face all the Star Citizen fanatics that might interpret badly my saying.
I hope I'm still alive and playing games when I'm your age. I wish you tons of respect and good health, and to live long enough to see SC release and also the Mars landing, I guess you were 20 years old when the moon landing happened. I'm curious also if you played the old elite games? Anyway as much as I'm looking forward to SC myself, I think the development model for SC is disingenuous and I hope this is not the future of game making, even if it does get released and is awsome.
Sorry to hear that
Hope you get better
Try out Elite Dangerous
Worth it, trust me
@@mariussveberg2245 The first game I played was Dungeons & Dragons (pen & paper version). My first computer was a Coleco Adam in the years of the Comodore 64, The Adam was using a tape instead of an hard disk in those years. I became interested in computers went to a computer school to learn programming and after a few years of study became a successful computer consultant for 30 years. At that time I started to work with the first popular business computer made by IBM. I saw the rise of computer technology during all those years up to today and played many many games of all kinds which permitted me to stay young at heart. I'm an Old Timer Gamer they say and it is so true. I said many time that I'll die with a joystick in my hand. In Star Citizen I feel like an old veteran that has lost some pilot skill with the years with my reflexes which are not as good as before. But it seems that I'm still a good gunner. I wouldn't be an Ace anymore but I'll be a very good wingman to have beside you.
My handle in Star Citizen is Romantok. If you need a faitfull wingman or a good gunner in you multicrew ship than I'm your man. Guild wise, I'm not sure what I will do. Knowing a good guild is not that easy and it seems that I prefer a military type guild. Having fun is very good but in a serious group it is more enjoyable for me. A game is not just a game for me, it is a lot more than that. It is a comitment of hours and hours of play time which must have some meaning somewhere.
@@romantokarski8679 I will add you, my handle is xCanopYx or CanopY.
I will never even think about buying this game until its FULL release.
MrBallPython amen. I don’t buy jack shit in beta or steams still in dev shams.
Lol all the fan bois of support development!! Or how about CR gets a loan like an adult. Right now he can do what ever he wants with the money
I hope you have a decent reitrement fund so you can buy some ships too lol..
@@kontekijke 🤣 I'm rolling on the ground. Lmfao!
So never?
CR says thanks to your 176 million dolars.
Never trust a guy with 2 watches.
what's wrong with having a watch in each arms?!
@@dustyalbones-reendust4385 ....and with that rock solid logic we clearly see how a star citizen fan thinks in the wild.
@@seditiouswalrusThat was a question, not a statement that for you to judge the worthiness of. Seems like you are the one with faulty thinking.
It helps him count all the money he is making every minute.
one is a Fitbit
I got a refund around 2015, ironically, because of the community and its moderation.
Elite Dangerous. Right now on steam $7.19 $14.39 with Horizons. It has the whole Milky Way galaxy, and it works.
Just sayin.
"No other game has so much playable space as Star Citizen"
This is a legit quote from a comment somewhere in this video....it's amazing to me how some people can stroke SC's dick for it's 90% empty moons and planet, but talk shit about Elite's entire galaxy of them. In playable space and working mechanics, Elite still has Star Citizen, and it won't ever cost you $1,000+
@@FailureToReport Hey in the future do you think you could do a side by side comparison video in the development and history of Elite Dangerous and Star Citizen? I know a lot of people would like it seeing as ED and SC have been 2/3 of the biggest modern space games to come out.
Yeah Elite is probably a better buy right now. Doesn't mean SC can't improve and be worth the $45 in the future though. It IS in development.
@@FailureToReport
From the points you've brought up, it seems that in your opinion, Chris is simply endeavouring to to keep the money coming in while dealing with taxation, employee payroll expenses, + the Crytek legal matters.
It might mean that the business model is actually the business of modeling the business' concepts. Therefore, we (meaning he and his associates) have the luxurious benefits of a contiguous, stable lifestyle with your unyeilding, unwavering support...Are you alleging corporate terrorism and advanced militaristic psychological warfare on it's socially diverse population ?
So do you think that this is a mass deception or perhaps even a ploy to distract the people from waking up to something meant to harm them ?
Do you think that Chris is secretly siphoning off funds to pay off old debts to past investors on old projects too ?
Do you think that he and his family go on shopping sprees like the "real bureaucrats" would ? 😂😂😂
Holy cow !!!
@@madelaki Been in development for ages. At this point, it's a money sink. I'll be surprised if it's ever released.
When I finally get those millions of dollars shiped from Nigeria, I'm going to buy this game and settle down on my prime piece of property in Florida, gaming all day and night!
Thanks for the honest rundown.. I've been following the development off and on for years and always was skeptical. No way I'm backing this cash grab until there is SIGNIFICANT content added and proven game play to back it up.
as a spectator of this whole thing, this is really entertaining
and reading the comments is also extremely amusing as well
keep it up, both sides, you guys are providing some top quality salt
Agreed. Also, the dude that made this video is the best troll bait I've seen in a while. I made fun of him in a comment and man is he salty. ROFL
Agreed
My hype wore off somewhere in the mid 2.0 updates. I now view it with simple curiosity. It's an experiment. I hope it goes well, but it could produce absolutely nothing.
Wow. That's kind of my experience as well, but I just didn't realized it until now. I have been shadowing the game development, barely playing since 2 point something. Up until that point, I have played about 150h effectively in Arena Commander (I'm excluding loading up the hangar to see changes to some ship, just actual playtime). So I feel I already got my money's worth. And it was fun, interesting enough, but after that it just wasn't worth it. And I'm following development, loaded the game to go to some planet and see what they've been working on and there's no gameplay there, just a pretty, but unfinished shell. Damn, I want my game. I wish they focused on the single player they promised. Now that's far behind and the multiplayer people still have to wait many years to start enjoying their game. WTFF?!
That's my situation too. I originally cashed in some $600 or so, then as the hype wore off I used the grey market to cash back out (such that I'm still sitting on a game package, but my net spending is zero). With no financial stake giving me emotional investment in the project, I can casually sit back and see what happens. If it's the best game ever, great! If it's a train wreck, I won't care beyond being a bit sad over the genre's missed potential.
Same here. To me it's an experiment. What ground they've broken thus far has me feeling sufficiently satisfied with what I've thrown at it. I have no need to put another dime in it for now.
It’s already made new technology.
Hmm..which happens first, humans landing on Mars or SC finished?
humans landing on Mars in SC
Mars landing...they actually make tangible progress...
When people become discouraged and the donation pool runs dry, then you'll see SC released.
I'm a fan of Star Citizen and you know I'm not sure which will come first. I tell you what though - I'm pretty sure we'll have the first commercial flight into space BEFORE Star Citizen is released, thats a certainty!!!
hmm.. can't argue with that, especially with the success that SpaceX has been having. Space flight is swiftly becoming "affordable"
"If Star Citizen is doing well, like Cloud Citizen infers..."
They imply. You infer.
But I appreciate that you correctly recognize that all of these transactions are sales. What drives me crazier is people who call the crowd funding an "investment." Investments confer a right to share in the equity. If all you get in exchange for your money is a digital or physical product, you're not an investor, you're a buyer. Just like when I give Burger King five bucks based on the expectation that they'll give me a hamburger and a soda five minutes later.
If Burger King doesn't give my my food years after I ordered it, that doesn't mean I invested in or donated to the company. It means the restaurant breached our contract.
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I don't think Star Citizen will ever be released outside of this Alpha tech demo and if it does its gonna be a pay to win rich mans game from the sounds of it. The prices on those ships are insane and I watched that TheAngryJoeShow video on it and Joe was being a little fan boy and soft ball with his interview. To I noticed that Todd guy did not look to enthused about answering questions about how the in game economy was going to work and the insurance and all that. I don't think they have any real clear vision or idea of what the end result full release of this game looks like.
I would be salty also if I was dumb enough to spend 10k on any game lol.
THIS^^
Lol, what a moron this guy is. That super-deep analysis of buying fake ships sounds like some sucker in a ponzi scheme explaining why he's gonna be a millionaire in a year.
First you have to be stupid
I would not tell anybody, my family would have me committed.
Think about it a video game that will eventually be time wasted or a used Vette, or Harley …. please contact me before you donate anther ten grand and I'll come around and kick your ass …. you can thank me later
I’m late to this, but this video’s comment section has provided some goodass quality entertainment for me and my pals lol.
I think the fanbase is just so stoked cause this is the game they have wanted for so many years. They tend to have blinders on and not hold the game accountable throwing absurd funding at this project. I think everyone here wants this game to succeed, but all things need to be taken with a grain of salt.
Here are the things Cloud Imperium has done right.
Object Container Streaming in 3.3 has allowed the game to run much better. Best performance to date.
Fidelity Fidelity Fidelity with the Fidelity Fidelity....The game looks gorgeous.
Ship modeling is the best in the industry Elite Dangerous comes close, but the ship detail is amazing and modeling is top notch.
Engine tools and clothing physics, not to mention technical achievements that have been built. Would not be surprised if Cloud Imperium packages up an in house Engine called the Cloud engine.
As close as it gets to transparent development. They have opened up a lot of their framework and inner workings to the public. Very rare and with this comes increased scrutiny and criticism.
Its an amazing technical demo, its not a game yet. (Consider this an Alpha that has bloated with the funding and the drooling fans want more to do)
Things they have done wrong.
Ship pricing
Bad communication (However the roadmap has been a considerable improvement.)
Mixed signals what the economy will or won't be.
Missions are far too low on pricing.
Persistence needs to start at some point for people to feel progression across versioning. 3.3 - 3.4 and so on keep the progression instead of overwriting it.
Missions are boring and need more depth.
Needs more mission givers stat. (This hasn't been made a priority) but we need higher risk - reward missions that pay out large sums.
Stop making promises you can't cash in on, be realistic and focus on core mechanics. Flight modeling, Performance, Animations, AI, Missions, and Tangible gameplay should be priority. Not more concept ships put all of your house on the core game first make it great then sell more ships.
Those are my two cents, I enjoy playing this game it has gotten better, but still a long road ahead.
Well said Mike!
On the mission pricing issue. They discussed it on the most recent calling all devs, essentially they know it’s a problem and need to do balancing, however, the prices are in for how the economy team thinks earning money will be like when the other professions are added in full. Also they mentioned that the system currently in the game (Stanton) is a higher security area so it’s combat missions will be a lot less lucrative compared to other systems.
Just something to keep in mind
Your list of things theyve done wrong is great, but its more of a list of things us, the backers, needs to use as fuel for the fire under their feet. I believe it will all and is all being worked on, considering it IS an alpha. Its hard to balance something that isnt even finished, right? Balancing for games comes after the game is effectively completed :P What we have now is a fantastic base for what the game will become. So rather than those being things theyve done wrong, its more of a list of things that will be coming in the future and of course, things that the backers should keep talking about... though, as I said, I believe all of those things are already on the list for CIG despite our cries.
Yep I totally agree, and it's good to see a balanced opinion!
i feel the fidelity and the imersion so well in this slide show 10/10 would be scamed again
An ultimate JPEG factory. You are right about Ben Lesnick, CIG forums are run by a MOB weather they are paid or volunteers. Your voice will get you banned for certain.
I never knew about the "War Bonds" concept. How do people not raise an eyebrow at something like that? This game has been in development SO LONG there is power creep on ships that have never seen real combat in the completed game!? This is blowing my mind!
Power creep isn't that serious, the anvil arrow can eat pretty much any ship alive if you're good with it, and it's only 1 million in game credits, or a few hours of doing missions
JRD DoubleU
I come online for about an hour every time there's an update to see if there's any fun to be found. 99% of the time, I'm left disappointed. That's how they get you though isn't it. By prioritizing ship sales over game mechanics and content, they leave you wondering around trying to find things to do, during which, your subconscious concludes that in order to fulfill the craving for 'fun', you must do the only thing that is 'logically' available for you to do....buy another ship....You then find yourself exploring the cold vast emptiness of the interior of your new ship, and for a while you are entertained. Then another update comes, and your new ship still isn't fixed, and there is still no 'fun' to be found, so you buy a new ship.....so on....so forth...it's the perfect scam. Like a drug. Give them enough to get hooked, then take it away, and leave them to crave, then give them some more 'new and improved' 'heroin'. Which is actually from the exact same batch of bullshit as the first portion he (ourlordandsaviourChrisRoberts/CIG) gave you...How have I spent so much money? Why am I living in a box? Why did my wife divorce me? Why have my teeth fallen out? My god. What have I become? A SC Junkie.
LMAO did you just say $10,000!????
Im still afraid to rewind the video to see if I heard that right....
It's crowd funding for development and people who gave that amount have received great benefits for when the game starts live.
@@samexoldx And you are a fool so we are even. I guess we will see, the game is pretty advanced and just needs more content.
this absolute mongoloid thinks A VIDEO GAME is worth 10k just because it gives you nice shit in game
a game is only worth 10k if you plan on investing
@@dazzahoward7104 advance my ass. Elite: Dangerous does everything bar the space legs, and is fully functional. mixing an FPS with space flight is _not_ hard at all
I was about to jump in here, thank you for showing me the ship prices. Screw this company. Edit: Yeah I'm half way through and I've seen enough. Thank you for saving me a lot of frustration and money.
Just do your homework on it, this video could use an update, but the overall state of the game is pretty much the same, there are very very few gameplay loops and the game really relies on "making something out of a small sandbox" because there's just no real content once you've done the handful of missions in game.
I would strongly suggest keeping an eye on the project and checking it out during one of the Free Fly events they do throughout the year. (there's likely to be one in a couple months)
@@FailureToReport Yeah I'll keep an eye on it, have been for quite a few years. It seems it's not quite there yet though and after seeing all this I'm going to wait for some kind of release. The worst part about buying in early is the disappointment when they break the game for cash. I'll take a look at the end product and if it's well done I'll gladly join up. They have proof of concept, they should have no problem funding this without screwing over players.
Bought it, played it. It's cool and fun as hell, I love how seamless it all is... but it needs way more content. Adding one planet with a megacity of low polys that I can't even fly over.. wtf?... that tanks my FPS (and I have an extremely BEEFY rig) after a couple years and adding FOIP (Also very cool btw) isn't exactly what I would call "progress." I'll stick to Elite: Dangerous for now.. that game is my true EVE killer. Don't get me wrong, I FUCKING LOVE SC with a PASSION but!!! I need more bang for my buck and refuse to pay hundreds or thousands of dollars for concept art. Especially after the ~$46mil that a SA company has just provided... Squadron 42 looks sweet and all but I'd rather have it spent on base game content than Commissioner Gordon, Agent Scully, Jedi Master Skywalker and Honorable Smuggler Davos. At this point it feels more like a techpiece than an actual game, but I'm optimistic and sincerely hope it is fleshed out to be the be-all and end-all of space sims.
EDIT: No, Chris Roberts and CIG would not walk away millionaires if they just decided "fuck it," they would be sued into the Stone Age (rightfully so I might add) by hundreds if not thousands of people wanting their money back because of unfulfilled promises to the backers.
i agree with you
You do know its still in ALPHA and right now they are implementing most of the systems and fixing the netcode , very very rough bug fixing and little to no optimization , that is for the BETA stage , this game is probbly 3 or a bit less years from release.
@@sickofitall89 I sincerely want to believe you.. but when a company is mired in controversy and the game's been in Alpha for seven years... I dunno bro. Like I said I do love playing it, it's extremely fun. Even my very first missions when I had to fly to, EVA out of my ship and through Covalex Station absolutely blew me away, my jaw literally dropped at how cool it all was. Just that simple mission had me more immersed than all the years I played EVE combined. I'm optimistic and seriously want this game to succeed but I'm not gonna hold my breath until I'm blue in the face lol.
@@Fleetches Yeah i am the same , i don't blindly follow it , i have pledged just one 30$ and that was it ,but i dare to say that i had more fun with SC than with other more expensive games out there , and even if it doesn't release like never i don't regret buying it because its not like i didn't have fun when i did.
@@sickofitall89 very true, for now let's just hope for the best but plan for the worst lol.
Honestly I don't regret any of my pledging up to to this point. Despite the bugs, I have sunk more hours into SC in the last 3 years than all my other games combined. In that sense I feel I have already got my moneys worth...HOWEVER I agree with the criticism that CR has made WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY to many (often directly conflicting) promises too early to the detriment of the game.
At this point it is too easy for CIG white knights to defend any and all CIG decisions with some supporting citation years ago. I still get people telling me that it's ok if travel times are too long because each planet will have (not exaggerating this claim) "100's of hours of content", and how deep travel will be given how "EVERY NPC in the universe will be tracked with day and night cycles", despite being straight up told last conference that they will be effectively RNG.
These overestimation's of tech limitations often result in an expectation that ALL mechanics hold an equal amount of unrealistic depth with a complete lack of awareness that DEVELOPMENT COSTS MONEY WHICH IS FINITE. It's not just CR who is at fault (though it is inevitably his final call), the fans have a virtually unquenchable appetite for more "everything" down to a demand that every button on a ship be clickable supported by an animation.
You have sunk more hours in SC than any other game in THE PAST 3 YEARS? Ok you cant argue about taste and each his own etc.... but what on earth have you been doing for all that time? Guess some people have pretty weird preferences. Id personally rather kill myself than having to spend more time on that piece of crap than the likes of Witcher 3, Cities Skylines, RDR2 or even EvE or WoW. SC is an insult to the gaming industry and its predatory guerilla marketing can seriously hurt the business as a whole.
I appreciate you my man, like I said, I don't want to turn anyone away who is happy or really thinks that Star Citizen is for them. I just want them to really understand what it is and where it is, versus the "sunshine and rainbows out the ass" that most active backers want to push.
Yes! I tell you what following the game has been worth my measly pledge on it's own. I've enjoyed enormasly watching the game grow over the years and getting to play the latest builds is the icing on the cake. The 45 dollars game package for SQ42 and Star Citizen (I think you need to pay at least 60 dollars now) has probably been the best spent money (and that's just up to today).
True. I still have retards tell me that "Loreville is the size of the GTA V/RDR 2 map. It's so big and there will be lots of places to visit and it will be full of stuff to do"...Yeah, right. How about being realistic. Loreville and ArcCorp for that matter will be a few zones within the city you will be able to visit, connected by tunnels/corridors and magic elevators (which CR said wouldn't be a thing, but they are...). Nothing more. The rest of it will be backdrop that you won't even be able to fly near. Which begs the question - what is the purpose of such large cities if you can only visit and explore so little of them? Make them smaller - less performance hit and it won't be so obvious that there is so little of them you can walk around.
@@ageoflove1980 Honestly, dogfighting.
I have been ACTIVELY SEARCHING for a first person space dog-fighting alternative so I can forget SC, but honestly, dual-stick decoupled combat with g-force mechanics has taken the piss out of just about every other fp space combat game I see.
All the aiming bugs and crap missiles aside, this single mechanic has kept me coming back to AC.
Also I ashamedly don't own a ps4, or I would likely be playing RDR2 with ya. :/
Can't argue with you, you've done your research and obviously have given this a lot of thought. I've been in the hole for just over $400 for a few years now waiting, and waiting, and waiting for my ship to be built... all the while watching ship, after ship, after ship go from concept, to flyable. Rinse and repeat. It's extremely frustrating when you don't even have the single player game to play while you wait for your KICKSTARTER GOAL ship to be built. I haven't played the game since about a year before 3.0 and I won't... until either the single player is released, or my ship is built.
so, from an early backer, any suggestions on what I should do with my initial backing? Upgrade it to a new ship?
I think the biggest problem with Star Citizen is Chris Roberts' ego and how much his loyal fans from the Wing Commander days have recklessly inflated it. I get that Wing Commander was remarkable, and I also get that most of his work beyond Wing Commander was decent as well, but something that isn't exclusive to this man yet should still be acknowledged as fact is that it wasn't Roberts' work wholesale that made those games work, it was the talent underneath those games that made them what they are in some aspects. Like how everybody gives Warren Specter credit for Deus Ex's narrative when such was more the work of one of the game's writers, Sheldon Pacotti.
The only thing Star Citizen fans can really hope for is that it turns out to be a success like Warframe.
I need more thumbs up for this one.
But without Chris there wouldn’t be a game or a company or a team. And you can’t make a game without a team and you can’t do shit with a team until you tell them what you want. Chris doesn’t have to be a programmer or and artist to develop a great game he just need money. And he has plenty.
@@ArmoryArchive Well, duh, of course the game wouldn't exist without him, he's the one who kicked off the concept for the project, but you've missed the part where I said that his talent as a creator of his own scope is vastly overrated because people beneath him were the ones doing the great work.
Or do you need a reminder of the oversight-riddled mess that was the Wing Commander movie?
My biggest problem with SC in it's current condition besides the prices of the ships is on ATV they tell us to earn credits by doing missions only problem is, the missions are so bugged out that nearly all of them don't work, making it almost impossible to earn credits. And During the Expo last week I somehow got the negative credit bug which made me miss out on 3 days of the event,I could not spawn or rent any of my ships or the free ships of the expo.
They don't tell you to do missions to earn credits. They have made it very clear that all credits earned and items purchased in game are temporary and will be reset with every new patch release. We are dealing with an Alpha in active development, and the economy is still under heavy development. Still, every recent patch contains massive new improvements, and OCS has made a huge difference in performance.
Jeffrey Nathan lol 😆
I'll reiterate what the video's title says, do *not* buy into this thing. Wait for the final product comes out, and even then, wait for reviews by real people, not paid shills.
That, at best, is years away. And that's assuming it is even finished.
You're taking some crazy talk there. That is such reasonable advice people will start freaking out.
honestly from the speed of progression they've been making and the constant new shit they are pumping into it, I'll say its decades before it's gonna be finished
Does anyone know where to buy this game? its like you can only donate and try the alpha currently. Where do I buy the game?
Great video lol, i bought 5 Orion's turned around and sold the accounts for double the money. Now all my ships are free i don't mind the game but this video totally nailed it
I check back in with Star Citizen progress every year. Thanks for keeping me informed. I do not see the online game succeeding which is sad I had very fond memories of playing the old Wing Commanders. Ill wait to see how the singleplayer game turns out before dropping $$.
All this buying and selling ships is like a stock market day trader. Is there a place you can gamble star citizen ships yet ? seem like the thing the fans would really be into that.
In other news: "Infinity: Battlescape
- The Alpha is being released on Friday, June 15th!"
It's built with the I-Novae Engine which has been in development since at least 2004 when it was originally called Infinity Engine. Unfortunately BioWare FINISHED a game engine also called Infinity Engine so since the they were the ones that crossed the finish line first they got the name.
Keep in mind that the I-Novae Engine has had very little funding compared to Star Citizen and yet it's coming out sooner. It was being made thanks to dedicated people and small donations many years before crowdfunding existed.
What was most of that time spent doing? Creating the physics and rendering system and resolving tech issues along the way. It's only been a few years where they started actually making something with the engine they created so ya it's a massive project. I look forward to it.
I've been a backer of Infinity Battlescape for some time now, and the amount of progress they've made in just one year, with the team size and funding they've had, is really really impressive. It's one of my most looking forward to games, just as soon as they make VR support native :D I was bsing with one of the devs a year ago or so and he was saying he uses his Vive but it's not built into the client atm. So fingers crossed, because flight on that game with a VR set would be sooooooo fun.
I don't want to sound like "that guy" but... You know what it looks like right now? Looks like as long as the game is in development and supported by a large "positive" fanbase, they are going to stall it. Feels like they are trying to press as much juice as possible for as long as possible. Makes me wonder if they are ever going to finish it. Probably once it will stop making enough cash, they are going to quickly put everything together. Then, you'll end up with a poorly optimized, barely functional product with barebone content. Just looking at the ships it's scary... They sure put a LOT of effort making all those 300$ + pledge ships... The way I see it. As long as they have people buying anything like drug addicts. They are living the dream. And the longer it lasts, the longer they won't have to worry about money. Selling their fans a dream to live one of their own.
I sure hope I am wrong and that it won't come to that. But, there's good reasons to be worried.
The nice thing about having that much money and having people drop buku money for pledge ships is that you can develop those extra things tangentially to the rest of the game. Just think about it purely from an office/business approach. You have the core of the developers that are building the game. If you've got tens of millions of dollars lying around do you really want to take them away from their work to build a ship for rich kids to pledge for? No, they opened up new offices, hired new developers to work solely on these new ships, and they can fund those developers with the money raised from those ships.
People love to criticize the ships and claim that's where all the development is going, but the evidence is the exact opposite. The ships are basically a different project being built by different people, so the rest of the game can continue being produced unimpeded. And the best part is, with how quickly they can produce a ship and the millions that they can raise by getting pledges for it, these secondary teams producing the ships are basically self-sufficient. They bring in just about as much money as they cost, which simply means that when the game does come out it will do so at the same time it normally would have, but more ships and other stuff than it otherwise would have.
@@brandnertim At that price I SURE HOPE they are self-sufficient. What I fear is it becoming way too much of a focus. You speak as if these ship cost "lot of money" to develop. In wich case I'd gladly point to DCS and the vast ammount of different planes for way less money. And quite more complex than what you can find in Star Citizen. And it is still very profitable.
Yes, those can be made "alongside" development. But, what happens when stuff that is made "alongside" becomes more profitable than the game itself? One would have a lot of reason to take his time in such a situation.
Given the mentioned example of DCS and the fact Elite Dangerous happened... It's kind of hilarious how long this development drags on. Over-Extended development time is usually not a good sign.
And about using that overstock of money to open new offices and hire tons of people. Just look how much that helped Starbreeze. Growing fast is NOT always good. Especially in the gaming business.
hmmm, but, should they "finish it" ? why finish something with so much potential to grow endlessly, why not keep growing it, isn't finishing something technically ending it ? I feel this game has the potential to become something very big, if not one of the biggest and well, trail and error goes hand in hand with creating anything, I have zero issues with how long it's taking, I've seen the progress they've made first hand and I've also seen their attempts to keep backers and buyers informed, I really have no problems at all, yeah, I may at times want more of something, but I'm more then happy to wait for what could be potentially the best space game sim known to man.
What happened to the sand worms we saw preview a few years ago.
Well, my friends and I, six of us, are playing Senior Citizen and enjoy it, although we are aware of the game state....but we laugh our arses off, frequently...
$10000...for a game...that's not done. And, according to you doesn't have a release date?
FTR Thanks for attempting to provide balance to the conversation. I've been on board since the beginning too and hope the game is completed before I have to take a dirt nap.
I totally support the effort but think one should consider the whole thing when deciding to back. I'm glad I have done so but also understand those that take the wait and see approach. In the end it's just a game. No point in fighting about it.
Thanks for the video! I am not sure that there can be enough consumer warnings posted.
I forgot all about this game. I wanted to be a backer when the kickstarter was up, but I'm not a risktaker. I can't believe they're still in development?? What are they doing?!
Developing the game?
A game doesen't develop itself.
Still using the excuse that the game is in pre-alpha to sell overpriced ships to gullible idiots
Buying islands in the Caribbean...u think they actually give a fuk about finishing this tech demo lol 😆
@@alexeivlasov1150 They don't sell ships bro...
star Citizen seems to be like a 5 year old running into a sweet shop with the option to buy what ever they want. While the shop changes its stock every 5 mins. With the child never filling the basket
I've thrown about 150$ at star citizen and I regularly play 3.4, I do enjoy what is playable at the moment, but I won't be spending any more on the game. I wanted to know if the recent financial publications from CIG have changed your opinions on the game? Also, while I do agree with you on not purchasing the game just yet, I have friends who I want to get into this game, but I don't want them to feel like their throwing their money away. What would you like to see completed/changed before you could realistically advise someone to buy it?
I loved Wing Commander when I was in my teens and played Freelancer a lot a few years later. However, I only had enough funds to pledge for SC or Elite: Dangerous - and while Frontier crapped on me with a month to go by withdrawing the offline single player mode - I did get a functional game that has continued to improve with each season. I look at SC and the *fans* so devoted to it and I'm glad I didn't put any money into it.
As a former player of EvE Online (the only real mmo) i can tell you one thing: right now you only get eye-candy. they didn't even touch the real problems of creating such a game^^
the in-game economy is going to be fucked af on release
This is what I want. I want a new EvE.
@@MoruganKodi It won't be a new EVE. It will be different in a way where you'll be fighting NPC 90% of the time. Tho, the goal is that NPC acts the same way as human. Also, killing people will have a huge impact on both you and them. Killing won't be as common as capturing people ( bounty hunter) and putting them in a prison and a pirate trying to steal other people's cargo.
Point is, it will be a bit like EVE in some gameplay/subject but it won't be a new EVE. I say that because I used to be a wormholers and I really like the concept that they implemented from Jump points being like wormholes in EVE. All Im saying is Im also a fellow EVE player and you can't expect the game to be a new EVE .
Go back to your cave
@@dl2one There is no such thing in space =P
Now about that new EvE thing: there is so much tech behind the scenes (1s-tick, clusters, reinforced nodes and so on). Its simply not possible for SC to be the same. From a tech side it will be more like WoW.
(beside the fact that my nicknames have been in actual space and are written on a monument in reikjavik-harbor xD )
Thank you for the video. My first exposure to SC was Morphologies video about The Gatsby. I was all set to be 🤯 TAKE MY MONEY NOW!!!!! Then doing just a little Googling finding out this thing was started in 2012. WTH!?!?! Granted I know nothing about gaming and just the basic understanding of computers but Damn, 7 year really?!? I for one appreciate your time you put into this video. Only because I having a good year I decided to $50 in SC. I'm curious how this all will end. The chances of me personally or with a group of friends getting a ship like The Gatsby are very low since I suck at games. I'm will to put my money down to give me a chance to find out. I wonder if you get into the alpha will you have to pay again to get the final game?
To be fair red dead redemption 2 was in development for over 7 years with more employees and a already set up company.
(Infinity battlescape) is the only true space combat sim ATM. You get hundreds of players, seamless transition onto surface of planets. All of the combat, and none of the boring downtime both starcitizen and elite have.
Infinity Battlescape is really promising, really looking forward to the finished game.
"at the moment" - changes fast
Did you really say $10,000! I dont think your channel should be called Failure to Report, it should be called Failure to Realise!!!
you should know that 10.000 isnt really anything special anymore these days. With a mere 10k FTR wouldnt even be called into the "inner circle" of whales still remaining in SC. We have reports about 50K and even 80K backers and there are suspicions that the highest funders are into 6 digits by now
@@ArturDarda So that justifies spending ten thousand dollars on a computer game, because other people spent more its ok?
Its ludicrous, thats what it is!
The moment I watched the live stream from one of the CitizenCon's and heard grown men whooping and hollering the moment Chris Roberts did anything in the game, I thought one thing...Cult.
How is the current state of the game in 2020?
Everything said here still applies. Hopped on to 3.11, still a hot mess, went back to Elite Dangerous and No Mans Sky.
I stopped the video at $10,000.
U WOT M8?
It cost $27,000 to own all the ships in game. This game is con and CIG deserve to be charged as such in a court of law.
Wow for a demo that's so expensive to play the frame rate is terrible.
Open your eyes backers, you have been ripped off.
@@milanondrak5564 Its not a store to buy ships lol, your are not encouraged to own them all. They are simply rewarding those who wish to back the project with more money by giving them bigger ships.. I know its very close to microtransactions but it isnt the same thing
@@danielpatrickdaly8670 fundamentally it is..
At least this this game so far has given me some good laughs fucking around with friends intentionally breaking the game.
Nothing wrong with that.
Thank you for making this video! I am a 2012 backer
The fact that I am watching this in 2020 having been a backer since 2013 speaks volumes.
You were objective, fair and honest, I had 800$ buried there but fortunately, when I saw 456 variants of flying bikes instead of focusing on launching and later upgrade with DLCs I saw whete they were heading, managed to get a full refund, it was 2 or 3 years ago, cheers
How do you ever get to the point you spend 800 bucks on nothing?
1.6K Star citizen fanboys have been hurt in the making of this video :p
I think the maker of this vid is hurt the most, it clouds his research abilities.
Enceos if you think you can do a better job, go for it. Link it in this comment when you’re done.
That´s definitly a lie: Star citizen server can only hold a max of 1k....more likely 500....so we are speaking about 3 1/5 of full server of hype-dead moneygivers.
@@JarenDarkwolf If you don't mind autogenerated English subtitles, there's a russian RUclipsr who managed to gather all available information regarding Star Citizen development and compiled it into a video. There are two parts which last more than an hour combined, take a look: ruclips.net/video/vg2UVy53vpA/видео.html
Enceos, I shall watch. Thanks.
Its not a donation at all....if they wanted donations they should have put a donation box in the ship showroom....it seems like a false representation....but, if the game follows up on theyre promises and make all ships available for in game money, id say its a forgivable misrepresentation, so long as they dont take, another 10 years doing it... i dont think the game will be ready for a while still tho, the videos and information on rsi shows you there action plans but it doesnt seem to cover all of the game content very well, either that or im looking in the wrong places.....
Thank you for this Video, I have been a backer from KS and have been moving away from the game as it fails to meet its own deadlines year after year. I agree with a lot of what you say here and to the forums part that is so spot on I was banned 3 times for just stating things they did not like, I have never returned to the forums or Spectrum as it is called now.
Trust me, you aren't missing out on anything in that cesspool.
Just wondering what rig that is that gets 60+ FPS ...
any current medium rig can do that
oh man, ouf... you almost got me. For a moment there I thought you said you spent 10k on a videogame...
You earned my sub, excellent and eloquent way of voicing every single fear I have had for the game since every single idea was put into it. I can't agree more with every single red flag and point made in this video. thanks you for taking the time to do it well.
Thanks so much for your support Gynsu! I obviously hope they can pull their head out of their hole and start making a stable foundation, but we won't know if that's coming for a while sadly.
Very excellent I must say, nothing like spending $10'000 dollars on a game but telling others not to spend anything, lol, seems like a great place to get information, very logical, very sound, very smart, I'm not in the least surprised you liked it nor am I surprised at the level of stupidity within the comments. Congrats bro, smart thinking.
@Azi ri hehe, so, please show us what game you've been working on Azi ? show us your 500+ dev team ? ... I'll be waiting right here ... surely you're working on something spectacular right ? lol ... right Azi ? surely ...
@Azi ri hehe, thought as much, you are the peasant, doing absolutely nothing, worthless and skill less, ha, thanks for the clarification pal, good luck with the future bro !
To FTR, as a current supporter of the game I would like to say that it is really unfortunate that people respond to your criticisms with personal attacks or threats of violence.
Unfortunately what you say is true, there are some people within the community who cannot accept anything resembling criticism, and take it on personally, and that's sad.
Unfortunately though, that does go both ways too, and if you look at almost any "pro Star Citizen" video on youtube you'll get more then your share of equally negative haters, many of whom go out of their way to troll comments, insult backers, and disrespect the community.
Once you take away the trolls that exist on both extremes, you have a community that's actually mostly made up of pretty reasonable people who are in it because they are passionate about the project and want to see it succeed, but at the same time are totally aware of the risks that it may all fall apart at any time.
For those who don't understand, my mentality around Star Citizen is that the vision CIG have for this game is so incredible and so much more ambitious then anything anybody else has every sought out to achieve, that's I am willing to throw some of my own money at this if that increases the chance of that one day becominga reality.
I am totally 100% aware that CIG could run out of funding tomorrow and the project could fail, and i could lose every cent I've invested. And im ok with that. Id rather make a contribution to help make this a reality rather then see it fail knowing i didn't try.
And if it fails im totally willing to walk away without that money.
The way i see it there area many people out there I every day life who take risks with their money, knowing full well they could lose it all. Investing In shares, starting a new business, investing in ideas, even as simple as throwing money into a poker machine.
There are people who have spent $1,000 on this game ovrr thr course of 5 or 6 years, and if you say that in public people will say you're crazy.
Yet if you tell somrbody you've thrown $1,000 down poker machines over the past 5 years many people won't bat an eyelid.
At the end of the day, i dont see anything wrong with SC backers putting money into the game as long as they understand the risks and are doing it despite that.
People like to sell this as a giamt con, but its not a con if you're putting money In while knowing full well the risks involved.
I remember getting in the RSI forums before I made my first pledge. This was years ago. I joined the newcomer thread and asked people how they liked the game and if it was worth investing or pledging. Immediately got attacked by a moderator telling me the thread I was posting in was for pledges only and those types of questions aren’t allowed and I was banned. I would have never played this game had my friend not beg for me to play and gifted a pledge ship to me here come this recent update a few weeks ago.
Something I don’t understand is why people would spend thousands of real dollars on in-game ships? A massive part of the fun and time spent in-game is grinding out money so you can buy those ships that you want. If you jump in owning every ship in the game already then you’re soon gonna run out fun and things to do.
Because Pay To Win. We should ask ourselves why some people would do anything to win in a multiplayer video game. But I have the feeling that if you ask that question you have already lost. You will *never* be among the elite, dangerous! :P
Ghola Tleilaxu for PvP reasons I can understand why people would pay for fotm ships but for anything else like trading, mining etc. it seems pointless
@@jimmysprocket4515 It would be pointless in any other MMO RPG or FPS game where part of the fun is to level up. But I'm not sure Star Citizen is actually a game. I'm almost certain that Chris Roberts wants to make it a massively multiplayer online virtual universe like Entropia Universe. What if you could sell that virtual $2,500 Javelin Destroyer for $10,000 real dollars?
You can't "buy" this game yet. You can "pledge", meaning donating money towards the development. In return, you can play with the development builds.
Riiiiiiiight! :D
Sorry, but I can't hear this bullshit anymore.
People, who buy ships buy those ships, because they want the ships.
But of course they can justify their spending a bit easier by "I am donating to make the dream come true.".
I put in $120. I started with $30 (for Aurora + both games).
I didn't upgrade to bigger ships, because I wanted to donate money. I upgraded, because I wanted a better ship with LTI.
$120 is more than I've ever spend on a game. But I don't feel regret.
I was following the development very closely in the beginning and was very active in the forums (few thousand posts).
However after a while I didn't want to waste my time with it anymore. There was NO communication of the devs with the community and NO reaction to constructive criticism or ideas in the forums.
There were regularly threads with complains/concerns, which had to become over 200 pages long, until this useless fat human-T-Rex Ben Lesnick wrote ONE non-answer into the forums.
This "community manager" was the biggest red flag for ME. A community manager, who had not even 400 posts at this time is ridiculous. I still don't know, what this guy did in all this time ... probably eating.
Anyways ... after getting out of the information spiral, I can watch and wait completely relaxed. If the project fails, that would be sad, but I am not emotionally invested anymore. If it can match at least some of my early expectations I will be happy.
Nowadays I only check the status once a year ... or when some bigger Star Citizen News appear on general Games Websites.
Just saw, that the 300i finally gets the rework, which was promised 2 years ago. So maybe Star Citizen should just be seen as an exercise in patience. :)
@@uhu4677 More like an exercise in frustration.
@@uhu4677 Well said, the reality is we humans are not actually good at waiting, the frustration becomes too much for us and drives the best of us nuts, I've recently upgraded to the titan for an additional £20 from the starter package, backed it for about 2 years, and for now I'm just enjoying the ride, and with my new PC its playing and feeling great, I am prepared to let them work on it until they're confident it's the best they can create, in the meantime I still play, absolutely adore the features in game now and in development, and I'm enjoying watching the videos they release on a weekly basis about tech and content creation. I've learned a huge amount about game development from CIG and the team, and I commend them for their determination in spite of such unreasonable and bitter criticism.... Never listen to critics, just do what you love.
@Cntrol100 LoL. How is $120 a "high risk investment"?
I am really not very wealthy. But wasting $120 is just like a fart in the wind. No risk involved.
Also I don't understand, how I was "fucked". The future of Star Citizen is still not known, and even if I don't like the game in the end, it's not like I was scammed.
I payed the $120 well knowing, that there's a chance I might not like the final product.
Been in the star citizen for a year now, always had a feeling something is up with CIG and the community. By just simply look though pledge system I found it to be a great tool to generate profits, and from what I understand about the games and what CIG had achieved non of these require this amount of money, yet a guy I met in game told me this game is a dream come true, that moment I had the exact feeling like I'm in a cult, but I never understand whether it just me being anxious or something is up with the game. Thanks to you now it all make sense.
Agree. It is a cult. Makes me worried because most of them is grown adults that could have an imported job irl....and still....they defend this as a holy gral.
Well, we have to wait 10 years more to se how this ends.
Marc Scott Zicree aka Mr. Sci Fi has a similar "business model" going with his Space Command series. The crowd funding impulse for both projects started in 2012. It makes you wonder if they shared ideas on how they could bilk hopeful science fiction fans and gamers by promising them what they want and never delivering or always asking for more.
It's been six years and neither of these projects are close to completion. Marc Zicree is a master at making promises and asking for money. He constantly touts quality of the Space Command series as a requirement for more kickstarters and more funding. Just call or e-mail him so he can send you the information to give him $7,500 a share for Space Command and you can share in his producer net profits whenever the show is sold.
Strangely enough the show has not sold despite two years of Mr. Zicree dropping every indication it is on the cusp of being picked up by a major distributor. Once that happens you cannot buy shares in the show anymore. Perfect sales model in creating an immediate need to invest in it with ultimately nothing to show for it.
There is the one hour pilot that's released. You watch it to realize the quality level is exactly the same as the fan produced Star Trek New Voyages (which Mr. Zicree loves to boast of his involvement writing one of the episodes). Star Trek New Voyages was produced without a crowd funding campaign by fans who simply loved Star Trek. They also managed to turn out the episode in less than six years.
So I guess you could say the ship management aspect of the game is already fully functioning, on their sales page.
Seriously though, this reminds me of DayZ standalone but on a whole new level of magnitude.
I'm not sure I'll buy the whole "more depth than any other game out there" spiel. Because from where I'm sitting, it looks as if there's stuff in the old Jump to Lightspeed expansion to SWG that had more depth than Star Citizen.
I've only bought a basic pack with an upgrade to a Titan, I don't regret that, I want the game as much as the next guy.
And that whole "it's a sale but everything costs the same" thing is just patently absurd!
Star Citizen backer here. Just to clear up a few things.
1. You can back the game, and get into it for $56, which is pretty standard for modern games. No further purchases needed.
2. As funding has come in previously, the game and the scope has increased according to specific stretch goals.
3. The "fanbase" is not cult like, not in my opinion at least. Money aside, what you get out of the game is up to you, it depends on the time you put into it. It is actually quite fun to play around with the Alpha, there isn't a whole lot to do, but you can still spend hours ingame if you want to.
4. Chris Roberts gets paid a salary for his position as CEO, you know, like in any other business.
5. Star Citizen is being made parallel with the game SQ42, which is a single player campaign set in the SC universe. The $200 million dollars crowdfunded for the game is actually being used to make both games.
6. It is reasonable that this game would cost upwards of $150 million dollars to make, considering that they are developing a lot of technologies for it themselves, this requires game developers who, like in every other business, gets paid a salary.
Id like to point out the Failure to Report has been biased towards the game and the game development in the past. I doubt he actually spend tens of thousands of dollars on the game. Not only is that extremely difficult to do, you'd practically end up having bought almost 100 ships.
I'm not a fanboy, I just like the game for what it is, and not for what I think it's going to be. If the company developing it goes bust tomorrow, then so be it, I got my moneys worth from just playing around in the Alpha. From the looks of it they are going to be able to finish the game though. Don't know when, probably around the same tome as Half Life 3 comes out.
For anyone interested in maybe backing to game, I'd just like to offer a bit of sentiment. SC promises a lot, and maybe you find that intriguing, but remember, Chris Roberts isn't building your dream game, he is building his dream game. From what I've seen so far I'd like to be part of that dream, it looks very good from where I'm standing.
I don't know, there is a lot more I could say on the subject, but I'm not going to. I didn't watch the entire video, I have a pretty good idea about what it's going to say. Personally I think it's well worth backing the game, even if it is just in Alpha at the moment. Nothing like this has ever been done before, I can see why that would be scary to people like FTR, but that's no reason to rage against it.
I am still waiting for launch. Is the game even out?? If so when was the launch date??? I thought this game was still in pre alpha.
This game is absolutely still in "pre-alpha" with no launch date in sight.
@@FailureToReport ok cool the way you were talking in the video it was sounding like it was out or about to come out.
Good video by the way
Eh, I enjoy it at the moment, it’s not for everyone I guess
it this ends up being good...ill buy it when its released, if im still alive by then :)
it will be released....and it will be a dissapointment, overhyped buggy, lackluster mess.
imagine No Mans Sky at launch, only 10000 times more shitty.
@@robbi5449 good to know, but its still 40 years from being released, and apparently still need over a trillion dollars from their go-fund-me campaign, so you have a slight chance of being wrong
If I buy it now...won’t it stay till I should buy it. So does it really matter when I buy it. (And if I buy it now I can say that I am a veteran hehe)
The 50% dislike ratio says you are 100% correct with your fanboy comments.
I personally do not care about the forever Alpha aspect of the game if a company has good vision and continues to add value. But the red flags you illustrated that bring into question the integrity and honor of the companies/ employees/ communities involved is a huge barrier that makes me want to wait for it all to implode and some sensible company buy out and rehelm the project.
You have my thanks for exposing the many aspects we who are potential newbies need to evaluate whethr or not to take the plunge. For me, it sounds like I would end up being displeased much like how I ended my interest in NMS when it became clear they were much more interested in offering more glitz and ignoring the many faults and mechanical difficulties brought on by lack of programming best practices.
Here is me wishing Obsidian would do a game like these.
Thanks again.
Great video.
The games looks cool, obviously that's undeniable, but it doesn't cost this much money or time to produce a game. Have an idea. Make that idea. Sell the product. Easy day. If it releases, I'd consider buying. But I don't need to purchase something I might not even get.
Oh yeah just as simple as "make that idea". Don't go into development. Of anything.
@@AuraMaster7 making the idea is the development process. If as you're developing and getting literally hundreds of thousands of dollars from pledges and you use that money to redirect the development idea into new directions that aren't part of the idea you never end up releasing the idea. Don't try to be clever with me. Obviously make the idea includes all the working of *making* the idea such as development, recruitment, advertising, marketing, securing funds etc. The game could have been released already without any funding except what people have pledged. That's a fact, which leans in the favor of people are giving their money to a game they may never get to play now.
My only problem with everything in this video is the fact you stated you hate to speculate (4:50) then proceed to speculate a lot.
@aboxoffrogs more like a whine fest. Nothing in this video that hasn't been done a hundred times in other videos. Just a bunch of dillweeds who sunk way too much money into the development of a game and thought it would be done in a few short years.
$10k he sunk into this game. This fact alone negates any intelligence he tries to convey.
@aboxoffrogs If you are happy with what you spent, then it's fine. Do you make videos crying about a game? (I haven't checked your channel)
I have $170 in the game, in six years. I am happy with it.
I find most of his points not as whining but well thought out. I have more into the game then you Tout and like it and still have high hopes for it (edit This was just to show I don't have buyers remorse not to brag or say my opinion matters more). It does not change that this video is correct on almost every point. From the monetization, to the terrible community. I cant hate on him for Speaking truth or his opinion the most part.
To OP, thats just silly. I hate working out, but, I still do when I feel I should. He can hate to speculate and still speculate when he feels he should.
I hate going to work but I do it every day.
Uhhh Obviously him saying "He Hates to Speculate", was only a forewarning that he was about to "Speculate". All he is saying is even though he hates to speculate and surely had high confidence in Star Citizen. Star Citizen has driven him to the edge Speculation.
I don't think many people realize the amount of work it takes to build a new company from the ground up around a project in process and with a budget constantly in flux. CIG started as 13 people in a basement and practically no funding. Just an idea and the barest of showcase material to sell it. Over the last years it has grown to more than 500 people with a total budget of over 300 million. In this time CIG inevitably had to go through multiple internal restructures. Entire development departments had to be created, leadership personnel had to be determined. That process alone can take years. In addition a lot of early development time had to go into the constant creation of new marketing material and trailers to keep up and raise public interest. Without that they never would have achieved the current funding level. Now that they have grown into a proper company they actually got the manpower to begin development in earnest, which the recent step-up in patch frequency and scope shows. CIG also needed to create an entirely new game engine as nothing on the market would be able to do what they need it to do.
If you want to draw comparisons to other ambitious projects; Red Dead Redemption 2 took 7 years to develop but Rockstar was already an established company, had all of its 1000+ staff organized, many of which worked on the first title as well. They didn't need to familiarize themselves with as many new development tools, a lot of the game assets only had to be adapted and modernized instead of created new. The Euphoria game engine they used they didn't need to develop themselves as it was perfectly suited for their needs and even then RDR 2 with its close to 1 billion dollar budget is the most expensive game to this date, of which the largest part was spent on marketing. In light of that I don't think Star Citizen's budget is overblown or mismanaged.
Considering the facts I am deeply impressed by what Chris Roberts and CIG have achieved in so short a time. 10.000$ worth of backing doesn't entitle you to instant gratification. If you expected this game to follow the same development patterns as those of established AAA games then you simply failed to properly inform yourself.
There is a reason something of the scope of of Star Citizen has never been done before, even though some attempted it. CCP tried to implement traversable stations into EVE Online only to realize that they couldn't do it properly without massive budgetary commitment as every station and eventually every ship would need to offer something visually unique to avoid that sense of sterility and repetition that, among other things, caused X Rebirth to be so poorly received. It has to be done right or you might as well not do it at all. So far, from what little is there to see, CIG has done a stellar job but it is clear that it'll take many, many years yet before the game could be considered complete. At this point however, I have little doubt that it will eventually be completed. Development is too far along and only a major blunder could jeopardize it now.
I'm someone who backed the game directly after the kickstarter capaign. I pledged 280 $ with the last pledge (or purchase) being made in November 2013. I install the odd alpha-client every few months, and see how my GTX 970 handles it and then go back to Elite Dangerous or other games. The thing for me is that I only follow Star Citizen losely. I see what they are trying to do and everytime I read some list of features I think to myself: How on earth are they going to have all of this stuff in a single game?
But I'm mostly fine. Why? Because while I want to play Star Citizen someday, the game I'm really looking forward to is Squadron 42. I was an avid Wing Commander fan back in the day. I actually played the first game on my trusty old Amiga 500 (which was about 10 FPS or something) and only got my first PC, because I wanted to play WC2. So for me it's mainly about the single-player-campaign-experience and not so much about the open world. And for that I'm still kinda hopeful to get a finished product within the next one or two years. Mostly because they already did the motion capturing and voice recording, so the story is set and the engine can at least display some kind of game.
But other than that I'm still reserving my judgement on Star Citizen for time it releases or at least enters Beta. What I'm definitely not doing is giving them any more of money.
I think far from worrying about Star Citizen, you need to worry more about spending 10K on an obsession. You seriously should think about getting some help in this area
I must admit it seems utterly crazy to me too. It occurs to me that any scheme like this is almost certainly doomed to failure. They seem to constantly be getting, or rather inventing new ideas for streams of revenue rather than seriously working diligently on this project.
When someone is constantly getting funds, it is hardly surprising things change so often. They do not have the "incentive" to finish this thing. They have the incentive to constantly think of ways to accrue funds.
That is how this now looks.
However as the Don stated. It is supposedly a free world. He is at liberty to spend his funds just as he sees fit.
To me, this looks as if it has morphed from a rather grandiose, over stretched game concept, into a money making scam. It cynically looks to have exploited the ones most vulnerable, especially those who have already invested ridiculous; to me, sums of cash and far too many years waiting in vein for this. There is a constant stream of bullshit to keep those already invested investing even more to see thier dream come to fruition. I find it pretty disgusting at this point. Almost like a snake oil merchant or someone trying to sell a religious ideology.
I think there is little reason to imagine it will ever finish. If it does miraculously finish and launch. I have no doubt after the YEARS of massive overselling and hyperbole it will invariably be a disapointment.
@@rationalmartian I couldn't agree more...looks to be a pure cash grab....with constantly and conveniently changing terms of reference and objectives.
Spending 10k on this game would make him an idiot even if it was finished. There's absolutely zero reason to spend that much money in SC even if you'reTrump level rich.
Cause it's a great idea to take psychological advice from comments on RUclips.
Unless he is a millionaire spending 10k on a game is insane. However if he actually is a millionaire, then whatever... still stupid could donate it to cancer research or something but whatever it's his money.
Elite: Dangerous master race reporting in. Think I'll go casually do some trading runs today and some combat missions with friends tonight. Maybe overturn a government somewhere.
Don't pretend Elite: Dangerous is somehow delivering upon it's potential though. I still think it's flight system for jumps is severely broken and feels very immersion breaking to me.
Good for you. I remember doing stuff like that several years ago when the game was released! Glad you are still having fun with it.
@@PHeMoX to be fair, it has to unload an entire star system, and load an entire new one, complete with a new skybox that tries to calculate where all the stars are (saving every skybox would speed this up, but could be hundreds of gigabytes alone)
I can't lie...that sound boring AF. I think I'd rather go land on a moon, GET OUT OF MY SHIP, and then go race my bike across the surface and chase the sunset.
Nice!
I came back in time to thumbs up your video. You're still correct. (off topic, do you think daddy Chris plays? know the screen name?) peace
Dude, combat flight sims are alive and kicking. Have you tried DCS or IL2 Battle of X yet?
The whole project sinks or swims with the inital release of Sq42. It's being put off because Chris Roberts is a perfectionist, and it needs to be perfect. Loyal backers will happily/grudgingly payroll it till then, hence the ability to keep delaying it. I think it will be good enough to be a huge hit, but it will depend on the marketing and ability to bring new players into the universe from other franchises SW/ST/WoW etc. If it's less than steller, then the parasitic gaming press will shit on it from a great height and morale, funding will be hard pressed. If Sq42 release is a success, then funding wont be a problem, and the SC universe will be rolled out and expanded on over the next 3-4 years, with the two sequel releases of Squadron over the same time period.
My concern for the game has always been player to system/server count. My solution, for the time being, would be multi region, multi realm (like WoW,) until time/tech advances and optimization of bandwith, next gen CPUs and GPUs facilitate being able to combine realms to host larger and larger populations.
Could the development have been smoother...sure, have mistakes been made, absolutely. To be fair though, it was a kick starter studio, with a moving goalpost budget, that has gone from 10 to nearly 500 employees. They've practically re-written an entire new game engine, which alone could account for a $200 milllion budget and 5 years for most established studios. But like i said, it all comes down to the Sq42 release.
I m not sure how important or critical SQ42 is at this point.
How WILL the game be funded after release?
Anybody have a clue?
@@Nightdare They are releasing Squadron 42 as a 3 part game. If each game is say $50, and they sell a million copies of each, that's $150 million.
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The backers get a copy for free
@@Nightdare No. They originally sold starter game packages for $35, which included access to the Star Citizen universe, the single player campaign Sq42, and a ship.
It's as I've heard it said before: People with skin in the game will tend to vehemently support SC because, well, they have money in it and rarely wish to acknowledge that it *could* fail. The more money, the more you're sucked in, I'd say.
I first heard of SC back around Sep. 2016. It looked and continues to look impressive and ambitious. The concept sounds nice. So did NMS before it released. So far, despite not having the time or resources to play it yet, NMS has a lot more going for it today and I very well may buy it with disposable income next year.
I have not seen anything worth given CIG my money for with SC. We'll see in about half a decade.
Consider that my fair analysis and opinion.
ya but NMS was super secret AND deceptive in their development. SC has gotta be the most openly and transparently developed game i've ever seen.
@@__shifty
And yet Hello Games is respected way more than even Frontier, let alone CIG. Answer by yourself why.
@@WwZa7 You mean they are NOW more liked, but at launch they were one of the most hated developers on the planet, and that was at the actual launch of their game. No comparison, most of the hate here is against the alpha of a game.
I love when someone talks like they know what their talking about when they have no clue. You must be a Donald Trump voter.
The difference between Star Citizen and NMS is that THE DEVELOPMENT IS OPEN. We know exactly what's being worked on, when it is scheduled for release and every backer gets to contribute to the making of this game in some way or another.
Seriously. Don't talk about something you know nothing about.
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@@BoogerLeader
Most of the hate on SC is that nothing has honestly changed. I wouldn't say the development is even transparent, but even if you couls say it is, the tech demo itself sucks, and their monetization methods are shit.
I heard that they were supposed to get rid of super expensive ships and turn them into paid by in game currency... Half year ago. Is that what you call transparent development?
You make some very interesting points. I bought a discounted Aurora starter pack, which might be why I'm not really all that fussed about the issues you bring up. Don't get me wrong, I'm not questioning their legitimacy, but the level of risk that I've taken on is so low that the idea that the final game never materializes a la DayZ wouldn't be that big a loss. As it stands right now, I can get into my Aurora, fly around space stations, EVA into a couple of cool places, or just abort a quantum jump, hang out in my ship and marvel at the space that surrounds me. For the amount of time I get to spend a week on gaming, I consider my money to already be providing me with some entertainment value. But again, that's because I'm in for so relatively little money. I appreciate the backers who have pumped thousands into the game, and maybe I'm just more cynical than they are. I'm excited for what this game could become, but I also tell friends not to buy the game if what they want to do is play. It's a big and beautiful demo/work in progress, and my backing amount will stay exactly where it is now. It helps keep my blood pressure in check.
What is it with space games and cult like followings?
As someone who casually follows the news about Star Citizen, and has not spent a cent on it, I have to say that just from watching this video...how can anyone disagree with you? The years of development. The money sunk into this project. The absurd ship costs. It all amounts to an undeniable truth about the game: it is a sham. Almost 2 thousand dislikes for speaking the truth...cult fanbase confirmed.
I baked the game and WAS a fanboy. But realised the scam behind it. And to be honest....as far as I see, they don't atract any new people. The money they make are already blinded fanboys pumping in more and more money.
Ugh another idiot confirmed , you said it , casually following - Then you are not alowed to speak , keep your opinions to yourself if you don't know a thing about the developing of a huge game such as SC.
@@sickofitall89
I see only the initiated are allowed to comment on their god
@@sickofitall89 Ja? Talk to me about development. Point out a single game that was in Alpha after 8 years of development all the while asking for money
@@sickofitall89 Def cult confirmed. Seek help...
45 dollar initial backer, never melted a ship, proud Aurora owner with lifetime insurance. My only comment and recommendation to anyone considering buying the game. Wait, and for all those people who continue to buy the vaporware ships, please stop, the only way CIG will ever finish the game is if you stop giving money to this project.
yup this is me as well. They are encouraging CIG by throwing money at them for nothing. I blame the consumers because noone is forcing them to spend ridiculous amounts of money for vaporware.
Aye, I got to agree with you there. The only way this game will either get made, or implode on it's own mismanagement and impossible scale, is to stop giving them more money!
Odd, my "vaporware" hammerhead flies a lot heavier than paper, must be a bug.
And CIG no longer making money = finished game...how?
@@Synthmilk Because that would put pressure on them to start making some damn progress, and to curb the endless feature creep. Chris said years ago that they have all the funding they need to finish both games. If that was true, they don't need the income from ship sales, and if the money stops coming in, they need to figure something new, like maybe having a game they could sell. And if it was a lie, well cutting the funding now would collapse the whole charade sooner rather than later.
Now, if I come across as wanting this game to fail, that is far from true. I made my pledge years back and I've been hoping ever since. But you got admit, this whole project is starting to have a Peter Molyneux kind of feel to it.
if they get more money, its not like are going to return the remaining… so they might feel some urgency to use that extra cash on stuff for players, not just get hundreds of millions and deliver an empty game… that would not speak very well for them
Backer since way back here. I see many of your opinions and perspective are clearly correct. I thank you for making the video in this way. I and many of my fellow backers are having some of the same thoughts. The scope creep is for sure one of our major concerns. They never cut scope, always increase. We are seeing minuscule progress compared to the amount of people hired at the company. I do like the latest trend with the deadlines for releases and the road map. But it is not realistic to expect 100 star systems based on the content they have made so far. We do have some fun playing it now and there are some really great stuff in there that can create some 'wow' situations. But I can not see this ever getting finished if they do not start cutting on scope. But hey maybe we can get a couple of systems on a stable build with game play loops that actually make sense as a game, I will enjoy that. I am not getting my hopes up for the "full" game. Like Elite Dangerous was a "MMO" with max 32 people in your instance, this game will have similar limits and will end up as a multiplayer game at the most in my opinion. Thanks again for the video, it was interesting
I invested during the Kickstarter days. Invested about $2500 and was a full fledged fanboy. I responded to the same poles CR put out and agreed to expand the scope of the game. I was also witness to CR making a very public statement “The game is 100% funded”, which was about a year after he Kickstarter campaign ended. That’s 100% funded.....for the “new” concept of the game WITH the expanded content. Squadron 42 was promised to us, the date was missed, it was promised again, and the date was missed again, etc. Then CIG then started rolling out concept ship after concept ship and started rolling in the $$$$. Then CIG started rolling out the videos of potential gameplay, and then more advertising videos and more concept ships. This guy is SPOT ON!
I got a FULL refund about 2yrs ago and have been very, very happy with my decision. CIG is still doing the same thing to it’s backers and new fanboys have taken up the torch of defending the idea repeating the same rhetoric CIG has been selling them for years and years. This is NOT a game folks, it’s still a concept in development. It’s a game when it’s released, which will most likely never happen. Why? Because they are selling a dream and all the dreamers simply keep paying them. They will keep rolling in millions as long as the dreamers keep believing the dream
Why does this guy feel and sound alot like Derek Smart?
the like to dislike ratio on this really show the cult is after you . good luck. X_X
and im enjoying X4 even if its a bit small scale its filling the niche
honestly yeah x4 looks great. But i still think sc wont be bad.
I'm on the fence on getting X4 after the last one they did. Is it as good as the earlier series?
@@flightlesscoffeebirdboy9655 significantly better than its predecessor
One cult against another. Not surprising.
Last X game I played was #2 I think, and was immensely disappointed in it (both in story and in gameplay stability). I've heard the later X games are a lot better, but just haven't pulled the trigger on trying them yet.
The most I'll spend to support this game is 100ish dollars if at most. I can't imagine spending that much.
I started backing it in 2016, I have hope for Star Citizen but I'm also realistic and cautious because of the situation. I'd advise people taking the wait and see approach though.