The good news is that a handfull of these have been sold to aid the consturction of HS2 or be repurposed by other operators for general use so this scrap line should start to get smaller with them being overhauled.
Looking forward to this Used to knock around on toton sidings as a kid You could just walk or cycle straight up there amognst all the trains nobody battrerred an eyelid 😂 Used to be old abandoned buildings along the sidings we used to make fires in 😂 Great memories
That gash on 60037 at 8:34 was where a rod was thrown through the side after a major failure in 2007. EWS thought it was a good idea to use two stroke oil on a 4 stoke Mirrlees unit and learned the hard way. Personally I wouldn't mind owning 60058 and bringing it to Northern Ireland for new freight contracts and spot hire. I wonder if Stadler could repurpose some of these?
That’s explains the massive gash on the side then thank you for the information and lot of them will never be used again despite what people say I’m no train expert but would cost to much to restore some of these
There is plenty of trains there parts will be sold off them but even scraping them will be alot of money as they is alot of weight in one train was different explore but good guys 👍
Such a shame I remember when they were first built, dad and me got a rail tour from Manchester to London for the Old Oak Common open day. As we passed Loughborough where they were built everyone rushed to one side of the carriage to see 014 and 015 outside the factory.
DB/EWS very much neglected a lot of the Class 60s which is why they are now sat in this long line at toton. For example 60081 (now preserved for static display) blew a piston in 2005 and many others suffered similar failures or engine fires and as a result needed and overhaul every 20,000 hours work which isn't very good. This could have been extended but DB didn't have a clue (you saw another comment about an engine blowing because they used the wrong type of oil) One of them hasn't moved since 2004 being 60098, 11 years old at the time. Very sad waste as these locos had a service life of 40 years from new. The neglect is very much noticeable because as you pointed out a lot of them still retain the original railfreight (not mainline, thats the blue livery) colours from when they were first built, just with EWS logos plastered on the side. DB are a really evil company. Rather than repurposing all their other locos for other operators or selling them into preservation, they chose to leave them like this. 3 locomotives have since made preservation, but 2 had to go via the scrapyard first. Evn the scrapyard was more sympathetic and actually sold them into preservation without doing anything with them. These aren't the only classes of train DB/EWS neglected and left to die too. Class 37/47/56/58/67/90/92 also got neglected, many of which are now scrapped or still rotting away somewhere. The 60s most recetly in service with DB have also recently been retired having enjoyed another lease of life after an overhaul between 2011-2014 (or something like that) and proper maintenance. Sadly they won't come back as some 66s have been regeared to replace them. Very sad, another piece of british engineering very much consigned to the history books by some nobhead german company and american locomotives (the 66, which is all that company give a crap about) It is only now that they start to put them up for sale for other operators to use or to be preserved, 20 years later than they should have been. Disgrace.
In truth, the "who cares" attitude about the ex-BR stock started in the days of shitty EWS that was owned at the time by Wisconsin Central until they were taken over by Canadian National in 2007 which did not include EWS in the sale of that operator hence why DB inherited the former EWS company in that year. EWS had and still has some of the most useless, inbred management that would struggle to run a bath let along a railway company. The recent stand downs like the Class 90's and the Class 60's that are some of the final assets remaining that are non standard (boring 66's are their bread). The Class 60's are quite lucky compared to the Class 58's (nearly all 50 are scrapped apart from 2-3), Class 47's (some made it to preservation) because the Class 60's are being bought up by other operators and some leasing companies for rebuild. Also I did read somewhere that all the super 60's have been sold including 60063 but who has made the purchase is yet unclear but it would not surprise me if DC Rail takes them and UKRL overhauls them too. They have done wonders with the 4 they have for DC Rail/Cappagh and they are more reliable thanks to new parts. Also with 60099 coming back into service as well later this year will increase the DC Rail fleet to 5 working examples. Up to yet, only one Class 60 that is 60006 has been scrapped for the reason is that the fire back in 2004 in the engine room compartment severely damaged the frame and buckled some it to a point that it made it weaker and unfit for reuse which what led to it being completely stripped of all surviving parts and then cut up. One of its cabs is still kicking around somewhere if anyone wanted to make it into a mancave or a gaming cab for a train simulator or something. Then there is the EMD/Progress Rail with 60014 at Longport and there is talks of EMD/PR using the Caterpillar C-175 in 60014 and to commence as a new repurposed locomotive (Class 61-64 is possible) as the frame and trucks are solid. Land Recovery UK has bought 12 Class 60's with 60032 being the first one to be collected from Toton by road. I assume this one will end up at Longport which would not surprise me if the Progress Rail repower/rebuild packages are to utilised. So long as the main frames are solid and not rotten. There is further use for these locomotives. I wouldn't mind bringing 11 of them to Northern Ireland for express passenger and freight duties repurposed as the Class 250 that would be 250-260. All made to a similar spec as the EMD F125 in a Class 60 body shell and trucks. Exciting times ahead I think.
The Class 60 s were built at Loughborough 100 of them for coal and other stone aggregate traffic Then British rail decided in early 2000 s they wanted a different locomotive that took over the Class 60 s freight work the Class 66 from Canada that were built and shipped over so that was the new locomotive What’s crazy was that some of these Class 60 s were 10 years old when stored at Toton
Some of the class 60 locomotives there have spent more time in the store scrap line at Toton approaching 20 years compared to 10 years in service Have you guys explored the old Great central railway tunnels in Nottingham
Interesting to see inside those classic trains and those powerful engines, seen videos of these starting up from cold and it looks like they are on fire with flames emerging from the stack, also the bell in the cab would be for signal communication from box to driver to alert for different commands on route they still use this method on the vintage steam railways volunteers do a course to work the vintage signal boxes once they have passed, anyway look forward to the next video.
It's a pity these prodigious locos have been stored for too long. They were built for heavy haul at low speed but coal power plants being closed 1 by 1 and a downturn in the steel and construction industry lead to further less need. That and the Channel Tunnel project completed. Well there was less need for them. Every 15 years they are due an major overhaul and EWS decided not to do it. Still to this day they have not been outclassed by anyone when it comes to "wheel creep control". Other locos can be regeared the same! but they cant do what the 60 can do reliably when it comes to hauling heavy weight up any steep incline in "ANY" weather and railhead condition, end of!
Not sure if you use Rail Forums UK but 12 of these including the ones covered in this video like 60089, 60078 etc are now owned by Land Recovery UK and with the Progress Rail repower project and what is going down with 60014. There is a chance that some of these will be coming back online that are not too dogged out. There is also another 31 of them that has been recently sold. 60032 is amongst the 12 that is the first to leave Toton destined for an unknown destination. Interesting times ahead. Most of the details are from WNXX.
@@BritishRail60062 I'm not but thanks for the heads up. All I heard is DC rail bought more of them and are now the biggest owner. DC rail 60 only roams nere me once a week to St helens. Seen plenty of GBRF Liverpool Biomass 60 action though at many a view point. What your saying is something Ive being wondering about many diesel locos. They want to have a zero emmision economy. They are trying out various new locos in small numbers 93, 97 & 99. Are any of these going to prove worthy compared to tried and tested diesel locos? Not to mention uber reliable 66s. If they dont I can see every diesel including all 66s getting major overhauls rather than buy new tech.
@@alstonofalltrades3142 From my understanding on the matter. The Caterpillar C175 that is expected to be trialed in 60014 that is at EMD right now is Euro 6 emissions with options to give up to 3800hp and is the same power unit that Stadler use in their Eurodual locomotives. Although the Class 66's are a solid workhorse that has proven their time over the last 26 years of being in service 1998 with EWS being the first customer. The Class 66's were stopped in 2016 as there was no Euro 6 version available at the time and I think they go up to Euro 4 but I could be wrong. I am personally interested in bringing 11 Class 60's to Northern Ireland as rebuilt and repurposed dual mode diesel locomotives for freight and express passenger work. Something similar to that of the SD70MACH that is used by Metra. They were technically used as freight locomotives from new but Metra has had these repurposed for 95mph passenger trains around the Chicago area. It makes me wonder that something like that could be done with the Class 60 shell? In terms of the Class 250 project I am working on right now. I intend to rip out everything and completely rebuilt them from the ground up and that includes high speed bogies and AC traction motors, new cab interiors and controls and I am looking at removing the back wall and having the cab doors into the driving cab area to add more space for the new desktop like those used on the BR247. As long as the framework is solid and there is no heavy corrosion on the main frame. These older Class 60's are usable and the frames can be dipped into a chemical bath that would dissolve all rust, surface corrosion, old paint etc down to the bare metal and that is the start to work on a brand new locomotive with the old shell. This would be cheaper than new builds and would be a good investment for Akiem, Beacon Rail, Angel Trains, Porterbrook Leasing etc to look into. As far as I know. Only one Class 60 that was 60006 was scrapped because of the severe fire damage inside that happened back in 2004 weakened the frame and rendered it useless other than just parts that now live on other members of the class which the fan roof pod on 60006 now lives on 60058. DC Rail are on to a good one with more Class 60's they have bought because the 4 they have that are maintained by UKRL are more reliable than the ones DB had and GBRF are using. Perhaps GBRF should source the maintenance to UKRL at Leicester and Loughborough as UKRL are doing things differently. I am looking forward to the future of most of these. As long as the mainframe is not too bad then it is promising times ahead.
@@BritishRail60062 I heard similar thing about the 66 no longer could be bought due to it not meeting newer stringent European emissions regs. I can't say I'm surprised, one of the best diesel engines designs but they do have their old school American gas guzzling nature about them burning 10L of diesel a mile compared the the 60s 6L a mile. A class 60 with 3800 ponnies. If it comes to pass I heard it hear first! I'll still be a bit sad though. them 68's are second only to class 37 on the awesome thrash leader board. But I do love the Mirlees Straight 8 rumble.
Very nice video 🤌🏻🔥, just ignore anyone who says ur not allowed there weather it was illegal or not, it was ur choice & ur life so ur consequences so for the people that winge at this guy for tress passing or not, it don’t matter he had a great time & was worth it from by the looks of it, I’d be same, no point in winging at this guy just leave it to the others if ur that bothered lol. BTW I’m not gunna reply back if someone don’t like my comment lol not having an argument on yt lol.
I totally agree with you mate. I love these videos he does and it's got me back into Class 60s again. I want to buy one in the next few years and make it into a gaming station 😊.
I totally disagree. It is very dangerous to tresspass on the railway this will only encourage others to do the same and someone is going to get killed. Toton frequently allow depot tours on a regular basis for a small donation to charity. These loco's are also a bio hazard full of mold and dead birds. I only hope thats others are not encouraged to do the same.
Whilst I do not approve of trespassing. I thought it was more or a civil matter than a criminal matter. Either way, it was nice to see the Class 60's first hand that had not seen the rails but I think if they have contacted DB Cargo about their planned venture. I am sure a guided tour could have been arranged. No harm in asking permission as I always do.
@@BritishRail60062 I've heard from sources that DB Cargo didn't allow them in, and there's a clear reason they did it in the dark. They were only made aware once this was reported
@@171trains In all fairness though. A lot of these Class 60's were hit by metal fairies which lead to a lot of parts being stolen and some almost completely gutted as well. In truth EWS/DB Cargo don't really care enough about these unfit Class 60's otherwise they would have been kept in secure storage like Long Marston MOD for example. I hear a lot of these Class 60's have been bought recently by other operators which includes some of the ex-super 60's as well. In light of this video, perhaps a lot of these older Class 60's won't be at Toton within the next year or so as they will either be sold or scrapped I would assume.
Not that I care as no harm has been done.. Tresspass on the railways is "criminal", not "civil" in this country. Same thing with power stations. The moment Fiddlers Ferry coal power was switched off for the start of the decommissioning urbexes were all over it as it was just Civil tresspass. They knew as long as they didn't damage property they would be just escorted off the site. People spray paint wagons in yards, Others steel cables and sell for scrap value which is nothing compared to the cost Network rail has to pay up to fix. I doubt you are top of their priority. I can't imagine them approaching RUclips with a legal team that will compell them to give up every bit of location data they may or may not have on one of their content creators is worth anyone's trouble.
@@alstonofalltrades3142 To be honest, I don't really care about this kind of exploration videos as they are harmless and didn't wreck anything. What gets my back up is those that think its okay that to aggressively interfere with railway property by tagging locos and stock, stealing bits off them and smashing the windows on some of them like brainless thug scum they are. Those kind of pond life deserve to get the book thrown at them and a felony filed for criminal damage. At least these guys in this video were respectful of the rail property even though I do not approve of trespassing. It was quite an exciting adventure. I dare say BTP and DB Cargo have seen the video and saw for themselves that there was no damage being done and it was just some lads straying onto some old locomotives they don't really care about. Also these lines of Class 60's have recently been sold on to Land Recovery UK and I believe DC Rail has bought more of them to put back into traffic. There is a good chance that in a year or two, these Class 60's that are fit enough to be reused will likely be at Longport or Loughborough for overhaul. As long as the main frames have not corroded and most of the rust shown is surface rust that can be sanded off/grit blasted. That is if they don't do a full strip down and do a chemical dipping of the frame into an acid bath to remove all the kack from the metal.
@@BritishRail60062 Thanks for that. Did DB Cargo retire its Class 60 fleet? In that case, they should sell them to DC Rail and GBRF, as they would still use them.
@@ianmacdougall8229 From a post on the UKRail forums. DB Cargo has/are selling all but 5 of their Class 60's which is from memory are 60011, 60017, 60024, 60062 and 60074 that are staying with them and are not yet listed. Maybe DB Cargo are seeing how their 10 Class 66/6's are working out which is 66651 (ex-66221) and recently done 66652 (ex-66164). There is a new player that has bought some Class 60's which are Land Recovery that now owns 60012/032/036/037/048/052/068/077/078/084/089/093 As for the others recently listed by DB Cargo that ended on the 19th of April. It will be interesting to see where these go. Personally I am working on a project that would bring 11 of them to Northern Ireland as repurposed and modernised dual purpose locomotives that I will call the 250 class. Here is the list of those from the recent sale. 003/005/023/025/027/030/031/033/034/035/041/042/043/045/049/051/053/054/058/067/069/071/072/073/082/083/088/091/094/097/500 Hope this helps.
@@ianmacdougall8229 Aye they mentioned back in December that all DB 60s would end in 6 months. they are re-gearing 10 class 66s to do the heavy haul. As for others wanting them..? Every 15 years these locos need a major overhaul. Which is fine. Would you rather overhaul locos that have had 30 years service or just 15 and left to weather a bit? GBRF and DC Rail and others would probably prefer the ones at Toton instead of the 30 year DB ones.
@@alstonofalltrades3142 If 60014 with Progress Rail is a success (and it will), then all these Class 60s at Toton are candidates for the Progress Rail/EMD rebuild projects because at the moment they are doing the Class 56/Class 69 conversions and once they are done for GBRF. The work on 60014 will commence. Most of the rust shown on the 60's is mainly surface rust and as long as the main frames are still intact. They can be reused/repurposed for other work as well as freight.
I would love to buy one of these Class 60's and turn it into a gaming station hooked up to a train simulator with all controls working etc. Sadly I don't have the space or money yet.
At worst, it would be just a misdemeanor offence that is a civil matter. No damage or intent to damage railway property was committed so it would likely be a caution at maximum. All he needs is a good lawyer and it will be a civil case.
@@rsmickeymooproductions4877 Well at worst, he will be given a caution and/or banned from the site. Ironic that other countries like Germany and France are more lenient and they trust their people more. What pisses me off the most is that scum has raided these locomotives and stole metal off them. Other than the offence of trespassing which is a civil matter, he has done nothing major unlike some of the scum that robbed metal off the stagnant machines and potentially ruined their chances of those affected Class 60's being able to run again. Here is the definition of trespassing. www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/trespass-and-nuisance-land
Tresspass on the rail network is dangerous and others who watch this should not be encouraged to do the same. This is a high traffic line in operation 24/7
The live line is operating 24/7 but where the trains are stored there is no movement on there for a while and no one is encouraging anyone to go to these that’s why we do videos so others don’t have to
It is a civil matter. Also they didn't damage anything so criminal charges won't hold water but I enjoyed their video. Nice to see these old relics in the flesh that hasn't seen the mainline which some are since the early 2000's.
Guys I am not having a go at you personally but when you trespass like this you give us enthusiasts a bad name . I know you would never damage these stored locomotives,but the police and DB might not see it that way . They could still charge you with criminal damage. Please be careful ! On a lighter note if anyone is interested all but five of these 60s is now up for sale . Apparently land recovery, who have been given the contract for HS2 have purchased 12 of them ,and they are going back on the main line, possibly with new CAT engines in them.
The good news is that a handfull of these have been sold to aid the consturction of HS2 or be repurposed by other operators for general use so this scrap line should start to get smaller with them being overhauled.
Looking forward to this
Used to knock around on toton sidings as a kid
You could just walk or cycle straight up there amognst all the trains nobody battrerred an eyelid 😂
Used to be old abandoned buildings along the sidings we used to make fires in 😂
Great memories
Yeah network rail they keeping everyone of the railway these days for obvs reasons and hope you enjoy the video when it’s out
@@abandoneduk4640 tut tut trespassing
They are locomotives, not trains. A "locomotive" pulls a "train" of wagons or carriages.
Thank you. You have it exactly right.
That gash on 60037 at 8:34 was where a rod was thrown through the side after a major failure in 2007. EWS thought it was a good idea to use two stroke oil on a 4 stoke Mirrlees unit and learned the hard way. Personally I wouldn't mind owning 60058 and bringing it to Northern Ireland for new freight contracts and spot hire. I wonder if Stadler could repurpose some of these?
That’s explains the massive gash on the side then thank you for the information and lot of them will never be used again despite what people say I’m no train expert but would cost to much to restore some of these
They are for sell not for scrap.Only one was scrap through time.
There is plenty of trains there parts will be sold off them but even scraping them will be alot of money as they is alot of weight in one train was different explore but good guys 👍
Glad you enjoyed it and yeah definitely get some money from the scrap
It looks like trespasx.
@@michaelwells6797 yeah obviously that’s what we do 🤣
Such a shame I remember when they were first built, dad and me got a rail tour from Manchester to London for the Old Oak Common open day. As we passed Loughborough where they were built everyone rushed to one side of the carriage to see 014 and 015 outside the factory.
DB/EWS very much neglected a lot of the Class 60s which is why they are now sat in this long line at toton. For example 60081 (now preserved for static display) blew a piston in 2005 and many others suffered similar failures or engine fires and as a result needed and overhaul every 20,000 hours work which isn't very good. This could have been extended but DB didn't have a clue (you saw another comment about an engine blowing because they used the wrong type of oil) One of them hasn't moved since 2004 being 60098, 11 years old at the time. Very sad waste as these locos had a service life of 40 years from new. The neglect is very much noticeable because as you pointed out a lot of them still retain the original railfreight (not mainline, thats the blue livery) colours from when they were first built, just with EWS logos plastered on the side. DB are a really evil company. Rather than repurposing all their other locos for other operators or selling them into preservation, they chose to leave them like this. 3 locomotives have since made preservation, but 2 had to go via the scrapyard first. Evn the scrapyard was more sympathetic and actually sold them into preservation without doing anything with them. These aren't the only classes of train DB/EWS neglected and left to die too. Class 37/47/56/58/67/90/92 also got neglected, many of which are now scrapped or still rotting away somewhere. The 60s most recetly in service with DB have also recently been retired having enjoyed another lease of life after an overhaul between 2011-2014 (or something like that) and proper maintenance. Sadly they won't come back as some 66s have been regeared to replace them. Very sad, another piece of british engineering very much consigned to the history books by some nobhead german company and american locomotives (the 66, which is all that company give a crap about) It is only now that they start to put them up for sale for other operators to use or to be preserved, 20 years later than they should have been. Disgrace.
In truth, the "who cares" attitude about the ex-BR stock started in the days of shitty EWS that was owned at the time by Wisconsin Central until they were taken over by Canadian National in 2007 which did not include EWS in the sale of that operator hence why DB inherited the former EWS company in that year.
EWS had and still has some of the most useless, inbred management that would struggle to run a bath let along a railway company. The recent stand downs like the Class 90's and the Class 60's that are some of the final assets remaining that are non standard (boring 66's are their bread). The Class 60's are quite lucky compared to the Class 58's (nearly all 50 are scrapped apart from 2-3), Class 47's (some made it to preservation) because the Class 60's are being bought up by other operators and some leasing companies for rebuild.
Also I did read somewhere that all the super 60's have been sold including 60063 but who has made the purchase is yet unclear but it would not surprise me if DC Rail takes them and UKRL overhauls them too. They have done wonders with the 4 they have for DC Rail/Cappagh and they are more reliable thanks to new parts. Also with 60099 coming back into service as well later this year will increase the DC Rail fleet to 5 working examples.
Up to yet, only one Class 60 that is 60006 has been scrapped for the reason is that the fire back in 2004 in the engine room compartment severely damaged the frame and buckled some it to a point that it made it weaker and unfit for reuse which what led to it being completely stripped of all surviving parts and then cut up. One of its cabs is still kicking around somewhere if anyone wanted to make it into a mancave or a gaming cab for a train simulator or something.
Then there is the EMD/Progress Rail with 60014 at Longport and there is talks of EMD/PR using the Caterpillar C-175 in 60014 and to commence as a new repurposed locomotive (Class 61-64 is possible) as the frame and trucks are solid. Land Recovery UK has bought 12 Class 60's with 60032 being the first one to be collected from Toton by road. I assume this one will end up at Longport which would not surprise me if the Progress Rail repower/rebuild packages are to utilised. So long as the main frames are solid and not rotten. There is further use for these locomotives.
I wouldn't mind bringing 11 of them to Northern Ireland for express passenger and freight duties repurposed as the Class 250 that would be 250-260. All made to a similar spec as the EMD F125 in a Class 60 body shell and trucks.
Exciting times ahead I think.
@BritishRail60062 yeah can't wait to see more 60s return. Shame about 60006. I always wondered why it was cut thanks for explaining
totan yard in nottinghamshire? did u go to the old air raid shelters?
We have done a few of the old raid shelters in Nottingham
@@abandoneduk4640 nice one i have been down one in notts city centre and a couple around the urban towns also been toton train yard a few times.
The Class 60 s were built at Loughborough 100 of them for coal and other stone aggregate traffic
Then British rail decided in early 2000 s they wanted a different locomotive that took over the Class 60 s freight work the Class 66 from Canada that were built and shipped over so that was the new locomotive
What’s crazy was that some of these Class 60 s were 10 years old when stored at Toton
Some of the class 60 locomotives there have spent more time in the store scrap
line at Toton approaching 20 years compared to 10 years in service
Have you guys explored the old Great central railway tunnels in Nottingham
This was not British Rail, but EWS..British Rail vanished in 1989 !!
@@class77sncb
British Rail finally ceased to exist in 1997.
@@JohnWaterworth-jr7om Very cearly. BR management should have bought class 59 from EMD !!
They are LOCOMOTIVES not trains.
@@stuartrooksby5760 so many have said
This looks like it was a few weeks ago in the early hours uo by the a52 bridge ..
Definitely wasn’t in the early hours
Interesting to see inside those classic trains and those powerful engines, seen videos of these starting up from cold and it looks like they are on fire with flames emerging from the stack, also the bell in the cab would be for signal communication from box to driver to alert for different commands on route they still use this method on the vintage steam railways volunteers do a course to work the vintage signal boxes once they have passed, anyway look forward to the next video.
It's a pity these prodigious locos have been stored for too long. They were built for heavy haul at low speed but coal power plants being closed 1 by 1 and a downturn in the steel and construction industry lead to further less need. That and the Channel Tunnel project completed. Well there was less need for them. Every 15 years they are due an major overhaul and EWS decided not to do it.
Still to this day they have not been outclassed by anyone when it comes to "wheel creep control". Other locos can be regeared the same! but they cant do what the 60 can do reliably when it comes to hauling heavy weight up any steep incline in "ANY" weather and railhead condition, end of!
Not sure if you use Rail Forums UK but 12 of these including the ones covered in this video like 60089, 60078 etc are now owned by Land Recovery UK and with the Progress Rail repower project and what is going down with 60014. There is a chance that some of these will be coming back online that are not too dogged out. There is also another 31 of them that has been recently sold. 60032 is amongst the 12 that is the first to leave Toton destined for an unknown destination. Interesting times ahead. Most of the details are from WNXX.
@@BritishRail60062 I'm not but thanks for the heads up. All I heard is DC rail bought more of them and are now the biggest owner. DC rail 60 only roams nere me once a week to St helens. Seen plenty of GBRF Liverpool Biomass 60 action though at many a view point.
What your saying is something Ive being wondering about many diesel locos. They want to have a zero emmision economy. They are trying out various new locos in small numbers 93, 97 & 99. Are any of these going to prove worthy compared to tried and tested diesel locos? Not to mention uber reliable 66s. If they dont I can see every diesel including all 66s getting major overhauls rather than buy new tech.
@@alstonofalltrades3142 From my understanding on the matter. The Caterpillar C175 that is expected to be trialed in 60014 that is at EMD right now is Euro 6 emissions with options to give up to 3800hp and is the same power unit that Stadler use in their Eurodual locomotives. Although the Class 66's are a solid workhorse that has proven their time over the last 26 years of being in service 1998 with EWS being the first customer.
The Class 66's were stopped in 2016 as there was no Euro 6 version available at the time and I think they go up to Euro 4 but I could be wrong. I am personally interested in bringing 11 Class 60's to Northern Ireland as rebuilt and repurposed dual mode diesel locomotives for freight and express passenger work. Something similar to that of the SD70MACH that is used by Metra. They were technically used as freight locomotives from new but Metra has had these repurposed for 95mph passenger trains around the Chicago area.
It makes me wonder that something like that could be done with the Class 60 shell? In terms of the Class 250 project I am working on right now. I intend to rip out everything and completely rebuilt them from the ground up and that includes high speed bogies and AC traction motors, new cab interiors and controls and I am looking at removing the back wall and having the cab doors into the driving cab area to add more space for the new desktop like those used on the BR247.
As long as the framework is solid and there is no heavy corrosion on the main frame. These older Class 60's are usable and the frames can be dipped into a chemical bath that would dissolve all rust, surface corrosion, old paint etc down to the bare metal and that is the start to work on a brand new locomotive with the old shell. This would be cheaper than new builds and would be a good investment for Akiem, Beacon Rail, Angel Trains, Porterbrook Leasing etc to look into.
As far as I know. Only one Class 60 that was 60006 was scrapped because of the severe fire damage inside that happened back in 2004 weakened the frame and rendered it useless other than just parts that now live on other members of the class which the fan roof pod on 60006 now lives on 60058. DC Rail are on to a good one with more Class 60's they have bought because the 4 they have that are maintained by UKRL are more reliable than the ones DB had and GBRF are using. Perhaps GBRF should source the maintenance to UKRL at Leicester and Loughborough as UKRL are doing things differently.
I am looking forward to the future of most of these. As long as the mainframe is not too bad then it is promising times ahead.
@@BritishRail60062 I heard similar thing about the 66 no longer could be bought due to it not meeting newer stringent European emissions regs. I can't say I'm surprised, one of the best diesel engines designs but they do have their old school American gas guzzling nature about them burning 10L of diesel a mile compared the the 60s 6L a mile.
A class 60 with 3800 ponnies. If it comes to pass I heard it hear first! I'll still be a bit sad though. them 68's are second only to class 37 on the awesome thrash leader board. But I do love the Mirlees Straight 8 rumble.
Very nice video 🤌🏻🔥, just ignore anyone who says ur not allowed there weather it was illegal or not, it was ur choice & ur life so ur consequences so for the people that winge at this guy for tress passing or not, it don’t matter he had a great time & was worth it from by the looks of it, I’d be same, no point in winging at this guy just leave it to the others if ur that bothered lol.
BTW I’m not gunna reply back if someone don’t like my comment lol not having an argument on yt lol.
Appreciate that 👍🏻
@@abandoneduk4640👍👍
I totally agree with you mate. I love these videos he does and it's got me back into Class 60s again. I want to buy one in the next few years and make it into a gaming station 😊.
@@BritishRail60062 noice 🤌🏻
I totally disagree. It is very dangerous to tresspass on the railway this will only encourage others to do the same and someone is going to get killed. Toton frequently allow depot tours on a regular basis for a small donation to charity. These loco's are also a bio hazard full of mold and dead birds. I only hope thats others are not encouraged to do the same.
DB Cargo, and the British transport police are aware of this, and they may take legal action
Whilst I do not approve of trespassing. I thought it was more or a civil matter than a criminal matter. Either way, it was nice to see the Class 60's first hand that had not seen the rails but I think if they have contacted DB Cargo about their planned venture. I am sure a guided tour could have been arranged. No harm in asking permission as I always do.
@@BritishRail60062 I've heard from sources that DB Cargo didn't allow them in, and there's a clear reason they did it in the dark. They were only made aware once this was reported
@@171trains In all fairness though. A lot of these Class 60's were hit by metal fairies which lead to a lot of parts being stolen and some almost completely gutted as well. In truth EWS/DB Cargo don't really care enough about these unfit Class 60's otherwise they would have been kept in secure storage like Long Marston MOD for example. I hear a lot of these Class 60's have been bought recently by other operators which includes some of the ex-super 60's as well. In light of this video, perhaps a lot of these older Class 60's won't be at Toton within the next year or so as they will either be sold or scrapped I would assume.
Not that I care as no harm has been done.. Tresspass on the railways is "criminal", not "civil" in this country. Same thing with power stations. The moment Fiddlers Ferry coal power was switched off for the start of the decommissioning urbexes were all over it as it was just Civil tresspass. They knew as long as they didn't damage property they would be just escorted off the site.
People spray paint wagons in yards, Others steel cables and sell for scrap value which is nothing compared to the cost Network rail has to pay up to fix. I doubt you are top of their priority. I can't imagine them approaching RUclips with a legal team that will compell them to give up every bit of location data they may or may not have on one of their content creators is worth anyone's trouble.
@@alstonofalltrades3142 To be honest, I don't really care about this kind of exploration videos as they are harmless and didn't wreck anything. What gets my back up is those that think its okay that to aggressively interfere with railway property by tagging locos and stock, stealing bits off them and smashing the windows on some of them like brainless thug scum they are. Those kind of pond life deserve to get the book thrown at them and a felony filed for criminal damage. At least these guys in this video were respectful of the rail property even though I do not approve of trespassing. It was quite an exciting adventure. I dare say BTP and DB Cargo have seen the video and saw for themselves that there was no damage being done and it was just some lads straying onto some old locomotives they don't really care about. Also these lines of Class 60's have recently been sold on to Land Recovery UK and I believe DC Rail has bought more of them to put back into traffic. There is a good chance that in a year or two, these Class 60's that are fit enough to be reused will likely be at Longport or Loughborough for overhaul. As long as the main frames have not corroded and most of the rust shown is surface rust that can be sanded off/grit blasted. That is if they don't do a full strip down and do a chemical dipping of the frame into an acid bath to remove all the kack from the metal.
There are between 20 and 30 Class 60s in service now.
It is now 14 max as DC Rail has 4 active and GBRFs fleet of 10 ex-Colas ones as DB stood their super 60's down back in January. Hope this helps.
@@BritishRail60062 Thanks for that. Did DB Cargo retire its Class 60 fleet? In that case, they should sell them to DC Rail and GBRF, as they would still use them.
@@ianmacdougall8229 From a post on the UKRail forums. DB Cargo has/are selling all but 5 of their Class 60's which is from memory are 60011, 60017, 60024, 60062 and 60074 that are staying with them and are not yet listed. Maybe DB Cargo are seeing how their 10 Class 66/6's are working out which is 66651 (ex-66221) and recently done 66652 (ex-66164).
There is a new player that has bought some Class 60's which are Land Recovery that now owns
60012/032/036/037/048/052/068/077/078/084/089/093
As for the others recently listed by DB Cargo that ended on the 19th of April. It will be interesting to see where these go. Personally I am working on a project that would bring 11 of them to Northern Ireland as repurposed and modernised dual purpose locomotives that I will call the 250 class.
Here is the list of those from the recent sale.
003/005/023/025/027/030/031/033/034/035/041/042/043/045/049/051/053/054/058/067/069/071/072/073/082/083/088/091/094/097/500
Hope this helps.
@@ianmacdougall8229 Aye they mentioned back in December that all DB 60s would end in 6 months. they are re-gearing 10 class 66s to do the heavy haul.
As for others wanting them..? Every 15 years these locos need a major overhaul. Which is fine. Would you rather overhaul locos that have had 30 years service or just 15 and left to weather a bit? GBRF and DC Rail and others would probably prefer the ones at Toton instead of the 30 year DB ones.
@@alstonofalltrades3142 If 60014 with Progress Rail is a success (and it will), then all these Class 60s at Toton are candidates for the Progress Rail/EMD rebuild projects because at the moment they are doing the Class 56/Class 69 conversions and once they are done for GBRF. The work on 60014 will commence. Most of the rust shown on the 60's is mainly surface rust and as long as the main frames are still intact. They can be reused/repurposed for other work as well as freight.
Each carriage is worth about £25 k + in scrap value
That’s still a lot
imagine a few of them kitted out as cabins would be mint
carriage?
I would love to buy one of these Class 60's and turn it into a gaming station hooked up to a train simulator with all controls working etc. Sadly I don't have the space or money yet.
Hi all
Do you know it's a criminal offence to trespass on the railways? Railway police might be interested in your channel.
I have heard on the grapevine that the railway community has reported this to the British Transport Police
and DB Cargo
At worst, it would be just a misdemeanor offence that is a civil matter. No damage or intent to damage railway property was committed so it would likely be a caution at maximum. All he needs is a good lawyer and it will be a civil case.
@@BritishRail60062 How would a civil lawyer represent you in a criminal court? Any civil action would happen after a criminal case has concluded.
@@rsmickeymooproductions4877 Well at worst, he will be given a caution and/or banned from the site. Ironic that other countries like Germany and France are more lenient and they trust their people more. What pisses me off the most is that scum has raided these locomotives and stole metal off them. Other than the offence of trespassing which is a civil matter, he has done nothing major unlike some of the scum that robbed metal off the stagnant machines and potentially ruined their chances of those affected Class 60's being able to run again.
Here is the definition of trespassing.
www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/trespass-and-nuisance-land
Tresspass on the rail network is dangerous and others who watch this should not be encouraged to do the same. This is a high traffic line in operation 24/7
The live line is operating 24/7 but where the trains are stored there is no movement on there for a while and no one is encouraging anyone to go to these that’s why we do videos so others don’t have to
Good job showing faces on videos of you trespassing guys 😉
It is a civil matter. Also they didn't damage anything so criminal charges won't hold water but I enjoyed their video. Nice to see these old relics in the flesh that hasn't seen the mainline which some are since the early 2000's.
Guys I am not having a go at you personally but when you trespass like this you give us enthusiasts a bad name . I know you would never damage these stored locomotives,but the police and DB might not see it that way . They could still charge you with criminal damage. Please be careful ! On a lighter note if anyone is interested all but five of these 60s is now up for sale . Apparently land recovery, who have been given the contract for HS2 have purchased 12 of them ,and they are going back on the main line, possibly with new CAT engines in them.