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- Опубликовано: 11 июл 2024
- Some thoughts and perspective to the current situation in Western Australia, soon to be in your area if things stay as they are.....
Link to the Western Australian Firearms Community Alliance www.wafca.com.au/
Link to full paper tabled by WA police minister.
www.parliament.wa.gov.au/parl...
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Nothing like tyranny
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People seem to have forgotten that the government work for us, and it is not only acceptable but necessary for us to tell them what to do, not the other way round. I think people would be surprised to know that the public service actually appreciate hearing strong community voices giving them direction, and in my experience that is often because they do not have that from within.
I would also say, my family have fished and hunted for thousands of years and we have the human right to continue if we choose to do so, regardless of where we might be living.
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It truly shows how out of touch our governments have become from their job of serving the people.
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And how Out of Touch recreational shooters are. Many not interested in clubs Or commitment. Unfortunately.
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That may be true but, they can and 'still' have the right to protest government decisions.
As do we All.
Lets try and not alienate each other as together we have strength.
Your government isn't out of touch. They know EXACTLY what they are doing.
@russclifton2026 the cost of memberships to unions that can't be justified, as said unions haven't done anything for the members anyway. The unions have been corrupted for decades - it's the easiest method for the new world order to stifle rebellion and dissent
4th August 11am. Peaceful march from government house to parliament house, Perth. Spread the word.
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Movement at the Station Smidy...
Movement at the station!
We won't be heard if we don't make a noise.
NOT violence.
Passive resistance!
Thanks for posting mate.👍
Calling other clubs to ask the right questions...
Telling people outright will only scare them.
We have to go gently and they will see it for themselves.
'what are the right questions'?
Ones where we ask others what THEY think.
If we see naivety, we can refer to things known and not speculation... This is how others eyes will open.
When people sit idly by like sheep, the wolves will enforce rules as they see fit. America, Australia, anywhere.
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Good On You Mark ! Im sick of this kind of democracy bs too.
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It’s just soul crushing how far we have fallen. Australia is a sham democracy and honestly my family and I are seriously considering moving but to be honest it feels that this is not localised to Australia. The government is determined to legislate us to utopia
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That's the problem! Australia IS a"democracy"(mob rule)!
Yes, there is nowhere to run. We have to make a stand and organise or we'll just be overrun.
The same thing is happening slowing but surely in the U.S. they’re constantly trying to chip away at it from all angles. We’ve taken for granted the freedoms we have.
It's worldwide. Keep your powder dry!
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All spot on sir. NZ too but we got rid of the loopy socialist/green coalition because hurt was across many sectors. Thefe is hope for equable acceptance of the outdoor sports here in NZ and you are absolutely correct in saying all the groups must work together cohesively. If not, the socialists and green aim to divide and conquer, then we are dog tucker for the international power brokers
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Right on point.👍
We have the same "difficulties" in Illinois, USA. They look at the problems in Chicago and control the rest of the state the same way. People must let their "representatives" know how they feel. Call, write, talk to people. Take care. Mark and family and friend. Good luck. Keep fighting.
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Another Illinois resident here. The elitist class has got to go. The whole state is red except that small blue dot where there is a massive concentration of people.
F.I.B. here. I will reach out to ISRA to see if advice and direction be shared with Mark. The ones (currently) in power act like a landslide, bringing all the rocks down the mountain whereas we either have a pissing contest amongst ourselves (wasting time, resources, and our emotional energy) or flat out wait for permission like Mark says. Our cause has people way too proud and we only come together ‘when the blade touches the bone.’ Everyone can play a part it’s the ones who aren’t brought or accepted in that can hold a grudge or be treated as God told us to treat each other to come together, work together, supporting the cause more than just ourselves.
WAPOL fails to do its job. Punishes the innocent.
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Once they have done with the gun owners then the can get back to annoying Troy Mercanti.🤨🤔🤣
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I know Troy.
It may be hard to believe that although he is a 100% Staunch individual, he is also a gentle soul.
I wish more people lived with the honour he lives by.
Universal Sovereign Citizen
@@UniversalSovereignCitizen I got a pup from his pitbull about 30 years ago, top bloke.
Jack Out the Back has been talking about this also,as a cattle rancher it will affect him hugely.
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As a Perth resident it's sad how little people are talking about this.
I hope people wake up to it but I am not holding my breath.
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From Los Angeles, I too see the unrelenting efforts to disarm the peoples of this world. Train, stockup, rinse repeat.
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Most people live in fear. They will vote themselves onto trains and wonder how they got there.
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So well said how true
The same exact thing is happening in America.. I believe a lot of Americans are outright afraid to vote in fear of some type of future retaliation.
How about starting a petition to remove the police minister? Basically, the labour party are using him to put in their agenda. I totally agree we do not mobilise well to mount a protest and let the pollies know they need to put thing back into perspective. The politicians know that we never will because of the egos of the gun clubs The labour party definitely know this. Grants by the government make us so reliant and hence obedient.
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Thanks Mark. You summed up human nature eloquently. Damn the torpedoes, full steam ahead.
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The real fight is yet to come. I appreciate your channel delivering the news be it bad or good. Thanks Mark and Sam.
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It's a real shame to see this happening in Australia. Unfortunately, as seen on a federal level, if they have an agenda, they will do whatever it takes to make it happen regardless of the view of the people. Think of a recent referendum.
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People vote on referendums according to what they know...
The establishment knows this, don't you think.
If the people were wise to any skullduggery by any ruling entity do you think a vote would take place???
Thanks for the update, Mark. Wise words you speak.
Wishing and hoping for the best for you, Sam, and WA.
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I wonder which state will be next to ban calibres as I feel under a Labor run country, this is just the beginning 😢
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It doesn't matter which 'party's in power - they're a different wing of the same bird. Why hasn't the 'government' done anything to change what the people actually want for 40 years? The government is a business for business, that's why corporations don't pay tax, it's people like us who have our wages stolen
Is there private gun ownership in Communist China and North Korea!?? Is there real freedom in these countries also . Thank Mark for putting it out there . Unlike many European countries who ,over the centuries have had to fight for their freedoms and the existence of their country . Australians have had it easy and have become "The Land of The Long Weekend" With a sheéll be right mate attitude that has caused us to slide into social, moral and political apathy.🤨🤔. As usual you are bang on target
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And if anyone challenges the attitude they get the "Straya.....love it or leave" speech. People need to get their head around the idea that people who stand up and challenge things are usually doing it for the greater good.
Thankyou Mark for all your efforts to highlight the real problem that we have here in Western Australia. The new laws just passed are the result of the general complacency of the gun owning community’s failure to refuse to be seriously become involved in a organised way to push back against the current government. I can honestly say I have tried to encourage interest among my contacts to come together in a organised way only to be met with indifference, lack of interest, “you can but I am too busy”, apathy, “I don’t do that, that’s not my thing”and the list goes on. Our failure to organise ourselves and all come together in a united way is not only this matter but seems to have become the norm concerning the shooting community,we are just too busy to care. You just have to look at the farming community as they are being constantly attacked by the current Labor party in its so called idealistic socialist policies and their organised response and fight back. If only we were like them. So BE WARNED those of you who live in the rest of this great land of Australia, take special note, it will ALSO be coming after you too very soon, so WAKE UP and get organised, DON’T WAIT as you can now see it is too late for us.
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The government took our right to stand up for ourselves a long time ago!
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We appreciate the updates
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I feel for you Mark . Stay strong and thank you for sharing with us. They do they same thing here in the USA and blame the object or tool. No matter what they do they will never be able to legislate morality or stop mental illness. If they lay blame elsewhere they avoid responsibility for their short comings of ignoring the warning signs like those that the family gave before the tragedy. The strength we have in numbers is amazing , unfortunately we need to be willing to sacrifice ourselves / time/money/sanity and comfort for our beliefs. Most will cut and run the first time they make an example of the first one who opposes them just so the rest fall in line. I believe that if we see an injustice and do nothing about it then we are accepting and condoning it. Everyone that experiences an attack on their liberties and accepts this one small loss of freedom - needs to ask themselves "What will I accept the next time?" People think that it's only one time , it won't be that bad, until they realize they took it all and you never noticed it until it's all gone. People never acknowledge how much harder it is to get something BACK instead of fighting for it and holding on to it while you have it. We "ALL "need to do better for each other!
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been waiting 30 odd years for all the clubs to act.
they wont.
gun owners are the most persecuted people in Australia.
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Thanks Mark, thank you for your sacrifice in taking these hits to your channel, your videos make it so much easier for me to get our point across to the people who just don’t understand, it’s no fault of their own, they just believe what they hear in the media , or what is pushed their way by social media.
People have short attention spans, and short memories, the Howard government did it in 1996, and although in incremental steps, our governments keep on taking away our freedoms, with no end in sight. Please keep up the good work, and have a great day, cheers from Victoria.
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What happened to "Shooters Fishers Party?" Where is the SSAA?? I do agree we need to stand up, but who can arrange the time and place?!
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I suggested a peaceful protest in perth city but my comment was deleted.
You get banned by WAFCA for calling for action and asking what next to stop this. SSAA WA are quiet and saying nothing at all.
@@JohnSmith-jh1iy It's still there: "4th August 11am. Peaceful march from government house to parliament house, Perth. Spread the word."
@@WayWot is this published anywhere? Keen to support along with friends/family! Over this Labor government.
I worked for government my entire life. What I really despised was a subtle corruption that I noticed from govt officials. They'd often try to pass rules, regulations, restrictions, etc that did no good for the public, but it perpetuated their job or gave them a slightly increased chance at promotion. Of course they'd have some semi-defendable reason why they created additional regulations, but if any in-depth reasoning was performed, the justification would collapse.
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Sadly it is no longer subtle
I was told by one of our Local Lands guys that they’d take the money landholders were required to pay them and then go off chasing contracts.
Thank you for sharing. Keep up the good work and information sharing
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I live near a small town in Vic, population is only 1500ish. They run a booked out shooting licence course pretty much every month, around 30 people. Lots of young folks getting into the sport. The local community group ran a day at the range for kids as well recently, which was a big success. Anyone can shoot at a range without a license. Drag your non shooter mates along to show them how much fun it is. The masses got scared because of one incident, they just need to be shown the other side.
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i’m 20 years old in WA. just got my 4th. The sport has a strong future and I’m not giving it. up
This sounds a lot like what we are going through in Canada.
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Mark, keep up making these videos! This is not just a WA problem, it's going on all over the world.
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Regulations will not prohibit criminals from being criminals doing criminal harm against others. Anyone from government telling you that under the guise of safety for the public is blowing smoke up your rear.
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May God give you strength Mark you are a real ANZAC AUSTRALIAN, IM PROUD to see your courage.
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You are the carbon that they want to get rid of.
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Mark, We’re under the same pressure here in the US also. While the US Supreme Court seems to be very conservative and sort of on the gun owner’s side, our two presidential candidates are both anti gun guys! Biden is a Democrat and is honestly trying to get higher gun control legislation passed, his party has had this idea for decades, no surprise! Trump is a Republican and should be pro gun, however he was a registered Democrat until a few years ago when he decided to run for president before the 2016 Election. His son convinced him to change his mind on guns because he’d need their votes. Long story short, Trump decided to run as a Republican because he strategized he’d be able to infiltrate and take over the much weakened and divided Republican Party, which he did. In 2017, when he became president, there were a couple of bills that had been written and could’ve been passed in short order to repay gun owners for their support and votes but the powers in charge paused on the bills for millions of voters and the Reciprocity Bill and HPA were shelved for later… In other words, thanks for your votes but a national law recognizing every state’s gun licenses, just like driver licenses, medical licenses, and so forth as well as the HPA for suppressors, still haven’t been brought up again! And to top that off, it was Trump’s suggestion to the ATF to outlaw AR-15 bump stocks. This has just been overturned by the Supreme Court but people were told in 2017 that these were illegal and they were ordered to turn them over to the ATF for destruction or they could cut them up themselves… Everyone that owned them simply removed them and put them away and waited for better days!
Anyways, Biden or Trump, gun owners are in trouble! Biden’s truthful about wanting to take away people’s rights and Trump’s saying whatever his supporters want to hear! Trump’s also claiming he wants to be a dictator and that he likes Russian President Putin!
Yes, the 2024 USA Elections are the scariest I can remember because, either way, I fear the government will be taking away our rights and imposing their vision of the future, all the while saying, “It’s for the greater good!”
All I can say is keep both eyes open and read the fine print!
Take care and be well!
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Just adding a comment to boost the algorithm. I am sorry that Australia, in this case, West Australia is going down this road.
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B.S. Mark we NEED spokesmen like you. NEVER give up. God bless.
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Well said Mark, big pat on the back.
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It's hard to motivate those on the right or conservative. They don't want to tell others how to live and just want to be left alone. Good luck down under!
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It's Australia, nothing proactive will be done by the good people till SHTF. 🤷🏻♂️ What your saying is accurate. Unfortunately.
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Anyone pushing back starts getting cops hounding them, taking driving licenses. etc.
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Well said. We the people should be heard. They can't hear us if we don't speak up.
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Hi Mark. Thanks for the video. I agree with you 100%. Not enough people have bothered to make their voices heard. I made an appointment with my local MP last year about the reforms and was told that only a handful of people had come into his office to protest about it. I really hope that people can get proactive enough to stop this garbage going through in its current form. I personally think that the new regulations will be so difficult to manage that it will need to be sidelined - a bit like what happened with the poorly thought out Cultural Heritage Laws. WAPOL could barely manage the existing system so I’ve got no idea how they’ll manage everything that Papalia is trying to fist them with.
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Thank you Mark.
What you described is 100% true.
I emailed the minister of police voicing my concerns regarding the lack of consolation for the changes in the firearms laws.
2 weeks later, no reply,
however the firearms branch have contacted me regarding my licence of firearms regarding pistols which I sold a decade or more ago.Coincidence, maybe, but I think otherwise?
It took 12 years to remove my father's shotgun from my licence after he had handed it in , in 1997/98. After many, many phone calls! I gave up in the end and yes it was finally remove, 12 years later! My father had passed away by then.
I'd call that efficient and use of resources, including tax payers money and a total waste of my time?😂
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There is a possible way forward and it is happening and has been happening for a little while. Both major parties are losing votes, it is imperative we keep that going, there is nothing democratic about the present two party preferred system of governance. At this stage it doesn't matter which independent you vote for as long as you are voting independent and marking all the boxes below the line placing ALP/LNP last. The first job is to diminish the two party preferred system then we can decide how Australia should be governed after that.
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I think you have nailed it Mark.
Todays trend goverment be left or right to over react to cover their failure to administer the systems that are already in place.
The administrators and enforcement failures just seem to get away with incompetence and inaction and the goverment trend to de fund and privatise let alone depopulate. Taking the easy way out for example forcing face to face interactions out of the mix to basically save money. Blanket bans are just a cover for their incompetence. Sadly this is rarely focused on hard enough IMHO.The laws in place today and for the past 10 years if run properly would have stopped any of these problems.
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Well said Mark. Thank you for putting this video out there for people to see.
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100% correct again Sir!
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Thanks Mark. The WA govt have gone down hill and stopped listening to the people when McClowin came in.
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Spot on 👌
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Current situation in Brazil, sport is strong, but when a comment is about weapons and accessories it is immediately suffocated against our freedom.
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Imagine not even allowing gelblasters or airsoft. >:/
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It’s everywhere, any man would wonder if the sport was worth it.
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Apply for a PTA in QLD ,and you later get an Email claiming you didnt provide enough information in your PTA [there is NO provision to provide further information ] then,'' Why cannot this need be satisfied with what you already own ? ''if you dont reply within 14 days your PTA will be cancelled ,this is what we have to look forward to with everything in future !! like under Communism ,total control over what you can and cannot own ,will be the death knell for manufacturers and Gunshops .
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Thanks for sticking your neck out and shedding some light on this. We need to remember that politicians are our elected representatives, not our leaders.
We pay them. They work for us.
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Your quite right mark, atb to you and sam 👍
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I`ve invested a lot of money to someday compete in ELR over the pond. I am not there yet. But I have accepted as an Australian. Its too big a risk to stay here. To do what I love. I have decided to move to the land of the free...the home of the brave .... Thanks for all that your channel does. A well spoken, sporting Australian.
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Dear Brothers and sisters in Australia... Hold the Line! Sincerely your friend, America 😎
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I watch more of these videos than the shooting ones. I want to be kept up to date.most people are too lazy to fight for their rights
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Well spoken Mark I am going to raise this conversation with my club here in Clifton Qld try to be ahead of the 8 ball
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Thanks for speaking about this issue Mark.
Feel in limbo at the moment.
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SSAA magazine.. All firearm disciplines need this mag as a platform. It's established, can reach every person, code and club in Australia. Needs to be organised and shared content instead of separated magazines for PA/ISSF, Rifle etc as an example. A first step for all hunters/athletes and all the codes in Australia to learn together and strengthen together as one group/community.
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Noticed how they’re looking at air rifles?
Thankyou for your broadcast, very honest
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Thank you, Mark and Sam, for doing what you do for us licensed shooters.
Hearing your voice always makes me feel a slight more optimistic regarding the sport.
I appreciate the sacrifices you two make with your channel, Stay safe.
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Maybe have the stats of where police have failed their citizens in the background Mark and how many deaths involved. Here in NSW we had gangs simply posting Glocks to Australia. No point to gun laws if criminals aren’t going to obey them.
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The police could have taken the guns of that person that did the murder suicide why didnt they.Were the police hoping something would happen to further gun control aims did the orders come from. Higher up in the police department
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Great content thanks for sharing. Peoples needs and concerns are only addressed around election time
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The best thing to hear a politician say is "I really dont want to do this but I am being forced to stand up and take action"
You sir are ready to represent the people.
I trust you because you dont want to.
I dont want a career politician, I want somebody who has been forced to depart from his life and do the job because they could no longer stand for it.
We are all waiting for "the One"
This has implications far beyond firearms.
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Mark for a new premier of WA !
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@@markandsamafterwork Very inspiring. In fact after watching this I have decided to skip the range time today and go to politically themed BBQ where I was invited to see what else I can do to get our state rid of there blood sucking and self serving government. Also forwarded this to a few friend in 4WD and fishing clubs. I suggest that everyone watching this channel trying doing the same. As Mark said, complaining to your friends who are most likely on your side does absolutely nothing. So let's make a real difference.
Love the team work that yourself and Sam do on the range and these chats, for the spineless cowards who don't wish to talk about what it really happening in AUSTRALIA and around the world they are piss week. Keep up the amazing work Mark and Sam you will build a stronger comunity with the ones who have your back through all your content...... I DO have some information you may wish to read that I can share with you if you like. Keep sending them down range keep safe ✌💗
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Good luck you guys 😢. SMH
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Thanks mark. I spoke to cunstable cabbage after commenting on the firearms law proposal paper. To say his behaviour was disgusting is an understatement. He called firearms owners criminals and whiners. He didn’t answer any of my questions. Disgusting.
What illegal activities can you do with 10 guns that you can’t do with 5?
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I'm really concerned about how many conversations I've had with people who say they are comfortable with being over-governed.
People in Australia have forgotten about the "lucky free country" we USED TO have and are quite happy to have big government think and act for them.
In my opinion, things got worse during COVID. It's almost like people have had a spell cast over them or something and they're too afraid to think for themselves!
The government pushed “FEAR” to get what they wanted.
Fear is a powerful weapon against the weak minded among us.
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I think it has come to will not comply for you guys and the same in certain parts of the US. On a lighter note got my 4AW bag rider today "nice piece of workman ship" looking forward to using it! Thanks for the video!
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Very well put. Factual, named some aspects of your problems, and offered reasonable solutions. You are correct in mentioning that individuals have to make their opinions heard, and definitely politely, but loudly. Here in the US we are facing a similar set of situations with restrictions on farm use of fertilizers, water rights and consumption, having EV's pushed on the market with limited interest and less infrastructure to support them, of course fire arms, use of public lands. I for one like your thoughts and comments, tho I admit that I am as unfamiliar with your regulations as you may be of those here in the states. The central issue is in your header. "government for Government Sake." Thanks for your thoughts.
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Hey Mark, well-done mate, keep hangin' in they. I appreciate what you're doing.
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Australia Needs To Rid Itself of The Crown and Establish a Constitutional Republic ❤️😇
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Very good my friend. Same here in Brazil... Cheers
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Your right! No one cares at the club! It's weird asf
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Accentuating circumstances does not call for the unlawful an unconstitutional of circumnavigating our parliament namely us not them the politician we're the Parliament we better stop sitting on our f****** thumbs
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Politicians have power...not cognitive ability.
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Sorry Mark for your being placed in such a awkward position and the decisions y’all facing, for how how fast and the manner in which this is happening to y’all.
It’s sad that people won’t unite under the shadow of the multifaceted threat to all.
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Bang on, if groups don't get together and collaborate things are only going to get worse
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It is as you say: Whine and wine on the couch. But no action. 🤐
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Nothing unusual for a socialist government, which is exactly what we have in WA. Socialist unelected party leader allocating law making powers to enforcement agency, stuff right out of Orwellian books
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On point ☝️ 💯💯💯☝️
Hi Mark, thank you for taking the time to share your comments and guidance. I hope that you and Sam do not take a hit from this video. I share your pain I am a government employee and are concerned how this will end. First it was the large calibres, now a defined number of firearms with rumours of a new safe code we must comply with. Next who knows what will be on the chopping block. Keep up the good work.
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Thanks Mark
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WA (and other Australian states) have a history of promising "consultation" and then just pushing things through.
I live in ACT and they aren't as crazy as WA.
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All governments are the same , control and power mad .
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On est mal...... In occident......
Stay safe
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Ww3 will change everyone’s tune
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Great video. Will try support the way this guy suggests. Start with find and contact local state rep for my area.
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Keep up the good work Mark.
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"Bubbles of elite circles". Mark knows what's up
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Very easy for governments to ignore the people when the people are unarmed and helpless!
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Great update!
Stay strong Mate.
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Thanks Mark, definitely something we need to act on sooner rather than later, I just did something I never thought I'd do and donated some money to one of the libs that seems to be taking this lot seriously, well I hope he does, his emails have described some unbelievable acts thet the labour party is up to, all you homeless people sleep well tonight knowing there will be less guns in wa
Cheers
Rob
Cheers
Rob
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One Nation then?
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