I’m 6’2”, pretty fit. I went through a bunch of uncomfortable sports bikes back in the day purely because I loved the way they looked if I’m being honest. As far as R1s go I had a 98, an 04 and a 09 cross plane. I remember sitting on the new 2015 R1 at the Scottish bike show and realising just how silly the riding position was, even among its other back breaking peers. That was it for me with sports bikes in general - I moved to street triples and haven’t looked back.
Late viewing this vid, I currently own a 2018 R1 & a 1999 R1. The 18 is absolutely fantastic & obviously the technology has moved it leaps above the 99. I also owned a 2005 5vy R1 for 13yrs! You could say I’m an R1 man 😎
I have a 2018 R1 and the best way to describe it is"butter"... the bike I had before was a 2012 CBR 1000 and it was a very good bike. I cannot explain it, but the R1 is just so damn good!
I rented an R1 for my birthday a few years and went faster than I ever have been around Donington than on my R6. This was in the second session. It was also my first experience of a 1000cc. Absolutely loved it, ‘easy’ to ride, sounds incredible and the midrange torque compared to an R6 2co was eye opening to say the least.
I love the referee to the mcn/ magazine content. I have spent hours ready those in-depth write ups and timelines. Most of the bikes I’ve owned over the last twenty years, have been on the advice and content from you guys and they have all been bang on. Long live paper content.
I would love to see a blast from the past about the KTM Duke series of bikes. It would be interesting to see how far they have come from the 90s. Such an exciting range of motorcycles
Hi Neevesy , could you make a video about the YZF-R6🙏🏻 ? It’s also part of YAMAHA’s winning super bike in 600cc class and had also a lot of versions up until the year 2020🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻 Cheers Mark
I still owned a 2015 R1M, got that since it’s launched in my place, after 8 and a half years it’s still a lovely bike for funny. Just got a 2023 MT-10 SP for daily use, I am shocked how big the difference between these 2 bikes(was thinking the MT-10 just a R1 with bar and without the fairing). Thanks for your reviews and that was a big push for me to get the R1 =D
I had high hopes for the MT10 when I got my R1M, so I was excited to try a friend’s when he got it. It left me a little cold if I am honest. I noted the abrupt power from a closed throttle in the middle of a corner, something my friend tried for a few years to fix and eventually sold it over. The real reason I didn’t buy one was that crossplane R1 based engines from this time period started developing mystery crankshaft failures….. Yamaha did a bandaid fix in 2017 IIRC with a half moon shaped shim in the lower crank case to keep the crankshaft from shifting over and hitting things, but Apparently wasn’t entirely successful. Been riding with that in mind on my own bike to be honest….
I had a 2016 R1 with the same color scheme. I agree with everything you said. I didn’t like the throttle feel, which was over sensitive and twitchy/surgey. The bike was outstanding on the racetrack (Laguna Seca, Thunder Hill, Sears Point) but it was not a good street bike.
I think the 2nd Gen MT-10SP is so good, the looks can be forgiven. In fact, I’ve come to really like the look of it since I bought mine a few months ago.
Blast from the 'past' aye Neeves..... well OK if you say so ..LOL.. how about this one . The Triumph Daytona T595/955i it was design and BUILT in the UK.. then.. unlike most present day TRIUMPH ..It still retains TRIUMPH'S all time record sales for a model at 1850 in 1997 IIRC and followed up by another 1,000 more the next. ALL designed, built in the UK ..even using Lotus to help eek out another 18hp in 2001 .. I realize it's not 'THEE" anything except IIRC then it was quickest 0-60mph in testing done thru one of the Americans cycle rags .., CycleWorld ??? It's a great roadgoing sportbike, rock solid , a better performance bike than you'd believe ..great Nissin axials, SHOWA standard telescopic forks, no USD.. better quality SHOWA suspension that came on my Ducati 999 w/o doubt.. It's not a GSXR, CBR, R1, ZX, but it's different being a triple and using a SSSA and can hold it's own against it's contemporraries cheap OEM parts, to insure .. Come on Neeves give us a genuine blast made in the UK !!!
Loved this retrospective. My first, and arguably only, superbike was an original '98 R1. Loved that thing and only sold it as I was moving abroad. If I had a time machine... Two things I noticed in the video: your column photo is still the same one now and the promotion with Little Chef on the front cover!! Don't think they exist anymore do they? Were never big up here in Scotland anyway so I wouldn't know.
I bought my R1M in 2015 and frankly I’m not sure it was a good decision in retrospect. I tend to keep bikes for a long time and instantly felt I had made a mistake pulling away from the dealership on it because the bike had no power and the brakes (not bedded in, of course) barely worked as I pulled up to the first stop. I was comparing it to my K5 GSXR that I still have and just riding the bike around town it was disappointing. Sure, it made neat noise and had lots of cool stuff to look at but it was an extremely focused riding position and a slippery thing to sit on-and I’m not 26 years old anymore. It took a few days to get time for a proper ride, scrub the tires in and go ride my usual country backroad loop and try to figure the bike out. For sure, when you wound the bike up it was definitely faster in a straight line than what I was used to, but the bike was incredibly stiff and alien-feeling. Playing with the suspension made it better but it was still degrees of “how stiff you want it to be”. After getting back from the ride I could see where the bike was clearly a step forward as a sporting implement but the power was so top end weighted that corner exist scared the hell out of me-and I’m a very fast rider by 95% of the riding public’s metric. These bikes pick up 50hp in 2000rpm as they accelerate thru the midrange, it’s a lot to handle at once… Then I started getting used to the bike over the summer and started trusting the electronics as I started to experience them intervening. Once that happened, for lack of a better term, I could just Pin It everywhere over any kind of pavement rise (they do tank slap, if you get greedy BTW), dusty corner etc. and the bike just sorts it out and fires out in a way that I would have never experienced if I hadn’t bought it. I learned more in the first two years I owned the bike than the previous 15 in terms of getting faster and I was riding every bike I own as well as my wife’s bikes (9 between us) at a speed not much less than I can hustle the Yamaha down a road. Here’s the issue though-The way the R1M (and I assume R1) are set up, they basically don’t work under 80-90mph. The gearing is super, super tall and made worse by not having much midrange so you have to keep it wound up to get any pull off of corners. MY friends on their ‘normal’ bikes murder me out of slow corners and then I have to ride hard and scrub off 20mph more on the next corner entry just to stay with them. The chassis doesn’t feel fluid complementary at normal backroad riding speeds, if you want to experience that floating/flying/transformative sensation you get when you are totally focused on nothing but the ride, it is incredibly risky to do it on an R1M on a public road-there are no small mistakes on a bike with a 106mph first gear. Bottom line is that unless I’m on the way into, in the middle of, or on the way out of a corner……. I’d rather be on something else. It’s stiff, uncomfortable, and, frankly, violent once you derestrict and tune them with a good exhaust. Finding a good throttle map seems like searching for the elusive “rocking horse poop” everyone talks about knowing where to find but the leads end up being no better than what you had. Owning this R1M has been enlightening and educational and honestly brought my riding skill on by a substantial margin and took me from being a rider that was hostile to the idea of electronics on a motorcycle to someone who won’t buy a new bike without a full IMU setup. I’m faster and safer everywhere because with the Yamaha I learned where the traction limit is (and it’s much higher than you thought it was and you REALLY have to be doing risky shit on a public road to get the electronics to kick in), what it feels like, and how to be comfortable. I experienced a house fire in 2022 and the bikes were the only thing that made it out, everything was a total loss but the studs in the walls. I’m finally back in and looking around….. I don’t need 3 open class superbikes in my life, the Yamaha has to go.
If you think the 2cr is lacking midrange, I think you had a lemon. The cross plane gives power from 4,000 rpm and keeps giving. You should ride a 5vy if you want to experience the difference in power delivery. The 2015 is night and day better.
“Midrange” is relative…. I don’t know what state of tune yours is, mine starts to make serious power at around 6k and is in its stride around 7500. Gearing on an R1M is also taller than a standard R1 because of the larger rear tire (geometry is also different, but that’s not relevant here). What that means is that in 30-45 mph corners you can either roll the throttle open in first on a bike with a snatch throttle response on the side of the tire as it’s about to go fucking ballistic, or you can try 2nd gear where you are only in the bottom third of the tach and when you wind it open you have time to read Encyclopedia Britannia before the engine pulls it’s finger out and starts to motor in anger. Meanwhile, you buddies on their 15 year old “slow” v-twins have gapped you and you’re pissed that you can’t get better drive off a corner than this ina liter bike.. I get 1800-2200 miles out of a rear, I can’t imagine how few it would be if I chose to fire the thing out of every corner in first gear, lol!
can you do a video on which was the best superbike of each decade it your own opinion of riding all these bikes during the years .that would be very interesting.....
If you were to buy a new R1 today and turn it into a track day bike how do you fix the brakes including the ABS interface? Do you buy a race ECU from GYT?
Honestly, you have to ditch it completely. There is a rat’s nest of hoses and manifold block as well as the brake lines themselves that contain the pressure when you pull the lever and it’s just a lot of surface area to swell from the hydraulic pressure. Going to straight lines to the calipers from the master fixes all of this-there is nothing wrong with the OEM calipers-pads can always be improved.
They need to add wings to it lol, Honda has and Kawasaki, idk why the Japanese take foreverrrr to make changes when the Europeans aka aprilia were already on this back in 2018
Translogic do a blipper for these that works well, I imported one to the states and installed it. Fully programmable and the upshift is better than stock because it “softly” reintroduces spark on a couple of cylinders after cutting out. You can program lever effort/sensitivity too.
I had the 06 R1 which was brilliant. Then many years later went and looked at a 2016 R1M, cramped riding position, very expensive insurance to (compared to the normal r1 of the same year). We are defiantly in a strange place when the Panigale has more room than the Japanese bikes. If Rob Mcelnea's engineers are still around could they possibly build me an 06 with the 2015 engine and electronics (ref the lockdown story he told about the bike called pig). Please and thank you. :)
Isn’t it strange that BMW builds the best Japanese sporting bikes in the world? LoL. The year I got my R1M, a friend got a Panigale and after I rode it I wanted that engine in my Yamaha…. Made good power and was a lot nicer to use.
You’re being a little harsh-I don’t think you understand how the Japanese companies work compared to BMW who have a car engineering company attached to them amd Ducati who are a racing department that sells bikes to fund the racing and keep the brand viable. The Japanese companies (aside from Honda) largely farm out engine development to companies like Ricardo, even large projects related to MotoGP… when you hear that someone developed a seamless transmission for their MotoGP bike, what it really means is they had the dick-swinging budget to pay someone else to figure out how to make one and then package it in their bike. If the big Japanese brands don’t have sales, they don’t have revenue to fun development. When sportbikes were hot, it wasn’t a problem to stroke a check for a new line of super sports every two years-that just isn’t reality anymore. Now, if you want to bitch about why they aren’t making real Supernakeds, I can totally get on board with you. Suzuki especially needs to stop trotting out K5 based bikes and give us the full fat VVT engine in a naked bike built with ultimate performance in mind… I don’t want another “decent” street bike, I want something that fries my brain like a Superbike but doesn’t make me hurt for two days after I get off it. They would sell if they just built the right bike..
@@drsrsv8884 and I’m telling you from direct, first hand knowledge that most OEM’s don’t develop their own engines and farm it out to people that are good at it. OEM car companies do it too. They don’t have insane amounts of money-we are in a global recession….. Can you imagine being at Kawasaki with all of the exposure they have to down economies and then going to corporate and asking for tens of millions of dollars to give the ZX10 a world-beating update when the motorcycle side of the business is more a brand exercise than something that matters like building cargo ships and industrial robots? Seriously man, I live in Detroit and work in the automotive industry and the engineering resources here are used by Japanese, British, and American OEM’s regularly and my friends work for these companies I can’t give you more without causing trouble over non-disclosure agreements, but you just don’t understand how it is-OEM’s can’t just crap out a new design without help. Honda, maybe, BMW, maybe, Ducati definitely but they tend to make only a few engines and share across platforms unlike full range manufacturers
My 2015 YZFR1 holds a permanent place in my stable right next to one of its stablemates the TW200. Very curious for what’s next from Yamaha and frankly all manufacturers with emissions and electric motorcycles. Are we going to see the end of road going super sport and super bikes?
I wouldn’t worry about electric bike taking over for a looong while, but history says that China is about to do to the Japanese what the Japanese did to the British bike industry in the 70’s. Motorcycling is very stratified right now-you have entry level twins between 300 and 750cc amd nothing between there and ultra high end product in all categories. China does entry level twins quite well now, once they get a foothold,….
I still think that modern superbikes are too heavy. They need to be around 110 kg wet or less and have 160 bhp plus to play with. And preferably fitted with a v twin engine.
@neevesybikes "Crash test goat" does nothing but ride his bikes at top speeds down the freeways over and over and over. Of course he blows up his bikes. I've had 7 R1's over the years including a '16 standard and '16 R1M. Never had a problem except my starter went out on my '07 at 30k miles.
2015 being a blast from the past is what's really blowing my mind.
Time flies! 😃
Also how it’s basically the same bike for 10 years now 😂
@@neevesybikes I know... It's been weighing on me lots lately. Gotta focus on the present and appreciate everything while we can.
I’m 6’2”, pretty fit. I went through a bunch of uncomfortable sports bikes back in the day purely because I loved the way they looked if I’m being honest.
As far as R1s go I had a 98, an 04 and a 09 cross plane. I remember sitting on the new 2015 R1 at the Scottish bike show and realising just how silly the riding position was, even among its other back breaking peers.
That was it for me with sports bikes in general - I moved to street triples and haven’t looked back.
Late viewing this vid, I currently own a 2018 R1 & a 1999 R1. The 18 is absolutely fantastic & obviously the technology has moved it leaps above the 99. I also owned a 2005 5vy R1 for 13yrs! You could say I’m an R1 man 😎
I have a 2018 R1 and the best way to describe it is"butter"... the bike I had before was a 2012 CBR 1000 and it was a very good bike. I cannot explain it, but the R1 is just so damn good!
I rented an R1 for my birthday a few years and went faster than I ever have been around Donington than on my R6. This was in the second session. It was also my first experience of a 1000cc.
Absolutely loved it, ‘easy’ to ride, sounds incredible and the midrange torque compared to an R6 2co was eye opening to say the least.
Class as ever
Bizarre to think that’s nearly 10 years ago and it’s basically still at the pointy end well ish 😉
Love these old reviews mate 😎😎😎😎😎👍😁🙌
Thanks matey 😊👍
I love the referee to the mcn/ magazine content. I have spent hours ready those in-depth write ups and timelines. Most of the bikes I’ve owned over the last twenty years, have been on the advice and content from you guys and they have all been bang on. Long live paper content.
Brilliant bike, I feel privileged to own one. Great video Neevsey ❤
I would love to see a blast from the past about the KTM Duke series of bikes.
It would be interesting to see how far they have come from the 90s. Such an exciting range of motorcycles
Hi Neevesy , could you make a video about the YZF-R6🙏🏻 ? It’s also part of YAMAHA’s winning super bike in 600cc class and had also a lot of versions up until the year 2020🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
Cheers
Mark
Good idea! 👍
I still owned a 2015 R1M, got that since it’s launched in my place, after 8 and a half years it’s still a lovely bike for funny. Just got a 2023 MT-10 SP for daily use, I am shocked how big the difference between these 2 bikes(was thinking the MT-10 just a R1 with bar and without the fairing). Thanks for your reviews and that was a big push for me to get the R1 =D
I had high hopes for the MT10 when I got my R1M, so I was excited to try a friend’s when he got it. It left me a little cold if I am honest. I noted the abrupt power from a closed throttle in the middle of a corner, something my friend tried for a few years to fix and eventually sold it over. The real reason I didn’t buy one was that crossplane R1 based engines from this time period started developing mystery crankshaft failures….. Yamaha did a bandaid fix in 2017 IIRC with a half moon shaped shim in the lower crank case to keep the crankshaft from shifting over and hitting things, but Apparently wasn’t entirely successful. Been riding with that in mind on my own bike to be honest….
More great content thank you. The 5VY has to be the best looking R1 in my opinion, although I’d love to ride the CP4 motor
really great episode for me as a r1 fan! Thanks! love my 07. no need yet for a crossplane, and they are indeed still expensive secondhand.
Brilliant vid on the awesome R1, I had the 03 one in stealth grey.. still my favourite bike and apparently not even the best r1
biggest news from this video has to be the availability of all the archive MCNs!! im so getting this app now :D
Great video. Unfortunately I have never experienced the R1. 👍
I had a 2016 R1 with the same color scheme. I agree with everything you said. I didn’t like the throttle feel, which was over sensitive and twitchy/surgey. The bike was outstanding on the racetrack (Laguna Seca, Thunder Hill, Sears Point) but it was not a good street bike.
Alpinstars supertec helmet behind you!
What's it like ????
Really interesting vid, cheers!
I think the 2nd Gen MT-10SP is so good, the looks can be forgiven. In fact, I’ve come to really like the look of it since I bought mine a few months ago.
Crazy bike 😃👍
With the pyramid plastics' spoiler under the headlights it doesn't look too bad
Beastie Boys !
I'm still riding it..😅.. thought of changing to newer one but I'll hold it for awhile more..
Blast from the 'past' aye Neeves..... well OK if you say so ..LOL.. how about this one . The Triumph Daytona T595/955i it was design and BUILT in the UK.. then.. unlike most present day TRIUMPH ..It still retains TRIUMPH'S all time record sales for a model at 1850 in 1997 IIRC and followed up by another 1,000 more the next. ALL designed, built in the UK ..even using Lotus to help eek out another 18hp in 2001 .. I realize it's not 'THEE" anything except IIRC then it was quickest 0-60mph in testing done thru one of the Americans cycle rags .., CycleWorld ??? It's a great roadgoing sportbike, rock solid , a better performance bike than you'd believe ..great Nissin axials, SHOWA standard telescopic forks, no USD.. better quality SHOWA suspension that came on my Ducati 999 w/o doubt.. It's not a GSXR, CBR, R1, ZX, but it's different being a triple and using a SSSA and can hold it's own against it's contemporraries cheap OEM parts, to insure .. Come on Neeves give us a genuine blast made in the UK !!!
Top G
Loved this retrospective. My first, and arguably only, superbike was an original '98 R1. Loved that thing and only sold it as I was moving abroad. If I had a time machine...
Two things I noticed in the video: your column photo is still the same one now and the promotion with Little Chef on the front cover!! Don't think they exist anymore do they? Were never big up here in Scotland anyway so I wouldn't know.
I don’t think they exist anymore…together with any modern pictures of me 😄
@@neevesybikes 🤣
RC8R episode some time? 🤔
I agree..wonder what a current one would be like with superduke engine
Great bike!
Still got my R1M 10 years of the same bike wonder when Yamaha is gonna change the bike .
Another great video.
Thank you 😊👍
I’m surprised at the 49mpg figure, the MT10 I had was shockingly bad on fuel for the power it made.
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I bought my R1M in 2015 and frankly I’m not sure it was a good decision in retrospect. I tend to keep bikes for a long time and instantly felt I had made a mistake pulling away from the dealership on it because the bike had no power and the brakes (not bedded in, of course) barely worked as I pulled up to the first stop. I was comparing it to my K5 GSXR that I still have and just riding the bike around town it was disappointing. Sure, it made neat noise and had lots of cool stuff to look at but it was an extremely focused riding position and a slippery thing to sit on-and I’m not 26 years old anymore.
It took a few days to get time for a proper ride, scrub the tires in and go ride my usual country backroad loop and try to figure the bike out. For sure, when you wound the bike up it was definitely faster in a straight line than what I was used to, but the bike was incredibly stiff and alien-feeling. Playing with the suspension made it better but it was still degrees of “how stiff you want it to be”. After getting back from the ride I could see where the bike was clearly a step forward as a sporting implement but the power was so top end weighted that corner exist scared the hell out of me-and I’m a very fast rider by 95% of the riding public’s metric. These bikes pick up 50hp in 2000rpm as they accelerate thru the midrange, it’s a lot to handle at once…
Then I started getting used to the bike over the summer and started trusting the electronics as I started to experience them intervening. Once that happened, for lack of a better term, I could just Pin It everywhere over any kind of pavement rise (they do tank slap, if you get greedy BTW), dusty corner etc. and the bike just sorts it out and fires out in a way that I would have never experienced if I hadn’t bought it. I learned more in the first two years I owned the bike than the previous 15 in terms of getting faster and I was riding every bike I own as well as my wife’s bikes (9 between us) at a speed not much less than I can hustle the Yamaha down a road.
Here’s the issue though-The way the R1M (and I assume R1) are set up, they basically don’t work under 80-90mph. The gearing is super, super tall and made worse by not having much midrange so you have to keep it wound up to get any pull off of corners. MY friends on their ‘normal’ bikes murder me out of slow corners and then I have to ride hard and scrub off 20mph more on the next corner entry just to stay with them. The chassis doesn’t feel fluid complementary at normal backroad riding speeds, if you want to experience that floating/flying/transformative sensation you get when you are totally focused on nothing but the ride, it is incredibly risky to do it on an R1M on a public road-there are no small mistakes on a bike with a 106mph first gear.
Bottom line is that unless I’m on the way into, in the middle of, or on the way out of a corner……. I’d rather be on something else. It’s stiff, uncomfortable, and, frankly, violent once you derestrict and tune them with a good exhaust. Finding a good throttle map seems like searching for the elusive “rocking horse poop” everyone talks about knowing where to find but the leads end up being no better than what you had.
Owning this R1M has been enlightening and educational and honestly brought my riding skill on by a substantial margin and took me from being a rider that was hostile to the idea of electronics on a motorcycle to someone who won’t buy a new bike without a full IMU setup. I’m faster and safer everywhere because with the Yamaha I learned where the traction limit is (and it’s much higher than you thought it was and you REALLY have to be doing risky shit on a public road to get the electronics to kick in), what it feels like, and how to be comfortable.
I experienced a house fire in 2022 and the bikes were the only thing that made it out, everything was a total loss but the studs in the walls. I’m finally back in and looking around….. I don’t need 3 open class superbikes in my life, the Yamaha has to go.
If you think the 2cr is lacking midrange, I think you had a lemon. The cross plane gives power from 4,000 rpm and keeps giving. You should ride a 5vy if you want to experience the difference in power delivery. The 2015 is night and day better.
“Midrange” is relative…. I don’t know what state of tune yours is, mine starts to make serious power at around 6k and is in its stride around 7500. Gearing on an R1M is also taller than a standard R1 because of the larger rear tire (geometry is also different, but that’s not relevant here). What that means is that in 30-45 mph corners you can either roll the throttle open in first on a bike with a snatch throttle response on the side of the tire as it’s about to go fucking ballistic, or you can try 2nd gear where you are only in the bottom third of the tach and when you wind it open you have time to read Encyclopedia Britannia before the engine pulls it’s finger out and starts to motor in anger. Meanwhile, you buddies on their 15 year old “slow” v-twins have gapped you and you’re pissed that you can’t get better drive off a corner than this ina liter bike..
I get 1800-2200 miles out of a rear, I can’t imagine how few it would be if I chose to fire the thing out of every corner in first gear, lol!
can you do a video on which was the best superbike of each decade it your own opinion of riding all these bikes during the years .that would be very interesting.....
If you were to buy a new R1 today and turn it into a track day bike how do you fix the brakes including the ABS interface? Do you buy a race ECU from GYT?
Honestly, you have to ditch it completely. There is a rat’s nest of hoses and manifold block as well as the brake lines themselves that contain the pressure when you pull the lever and it’s just a lot of surface area to swell from the hydraulic pressure. Going to straight lines to the calipers from the master fixes all of this-there is nothing wrong with the OEM calipers-pads can always be improved.
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Merhaba abi
They need to add wings to it lol, Honda has and Kawasaki, idk why the Japanese take foreverrrr to make changes when the Europeans aka aprilia were already on this back in 2018
I always thought it was strange they had more tech than everyone else but no blipper. even on the M version. i dont think they added it till 2017
2018. No other bike had a auto blipper in 2015
Translogic do a blipper for these that works well, I imported one to the states and installed it. Fully programmable and the upshift is better than stock because it “softly” reintroduces spark on a couple of cylinders after cutting out. You can program lever effort/sensitivity too.
I think the '15 S1000RR Sport had a blipper...
@@LeeTillbury The Ducati 1299s had blipper and shifter. i had one up until last week.
@@belly450My bad 🫣
I had the 06 R1 which was brilliant. Then many years later went and looked at a 2016 R1M, cramped riding position, very expensive insurance to (compared to the normal r1 of the same year). We are defiantly in a strange place when the Panigale has more room than the Japanese bikes. If Rob Mcelnea's engineers are still around could they possibly build me an 06 with the 2015 engine and electronics (ref the lockdown story he told about the bike called pig). Please and thank you. :)
Isn’t it strange that BMW builds the best Japanese sporting bikes in the world? LoL. The year I got my R1M, a friend got a Panigale and after I rode it I wanted that engine in my Yamaha…. Made good power and was a lot nicer to use.
@@nunyabidness9257😂😂
You’re being a little harsh-I don’t think you understand how the Japanese companies work compared to BMW who have a car engineering company attached to them amd Ducati who are a racing department that sells bikes to fund the racing and keep the brand viable.
The Japanese companies (aside from Honda) largely farm out engine development to companies like Ricardo, even large projects related to MotoGP… when you hear that someone developed a seamless transmission for their MotoGP bike, what it really means is they had the dick-swinging budget to pay someone else to figure out how to make one and then package it in their bike.
If the big Japanese brands don’t have sales, they don’t have revenue to fun development. When sportbikes were hot, it wasn’t a problem to stroke a check for a new line of super sports every two years-that just isn’t reality anymore.
Now, if you want to bitch about why they aren’t making real Supernakeds, I can totally get on board with you. Suzuki especially needs to stop trotting out K5 based bikes and give us the full fat VVT engine in a naked bike built with ultimate performance in mind… I don’t want another “decent” street bike, I want something that fries my brain like a Superbike but doesn’t make me hurt for two days after I get off it. They would sell if they just built the right bike..
@@drsrsv8884 and I’m telling you from direct, first hand knowledge that most OEM’s don’t develop their own engines and farm it out to people that are good at it. OEM car companies do it too. They don’t have insane amounts of money-we are in a global recession….. Can you imagine being at Kawasaki with all of the exposure they have to down economies and then going to corporate and asking for tens of millions of dollars to give the ZX10 a world-beating update when the motorcycle side of the business is more a brand exercise than something that matters like building cargo ships and industrial robots?
Seriously man, I live in Detroit and work in the automotive industry and the engineering resources here are used by Japanese, British, and American OEM’s regularly and my friends work for these companies I can’t give you more without causing trouble over non-disclosure agreements, but you just don’t understand how it is-OEM’s can’t just crap out a new design without help. Honda, maybe, BMW, maybe, Ducati definitely but they tend to make only a few engines and share across platforms unlike full range manufacturers
My 2015 YZFR1 holds a permanent place in my stable right next to one of its stablemates the TW200. Very curious for what’s next from Yamaha and frankly all manufacturers with emissions and electric motorcycles. Are we going to see the end of road going super sport and super bikes?
I wouldn’t worry about electric bike taking over for a looong while, but history says that China is about to do to the Japanese what the Japanese did to the British bike industry in the 70’s.
Motorcycling is very stratified right now-you have entry level twins between 300 and 750cc amd nothing between there and ultra high end product in all categories. China does entry level twins quite well now, once they get a foothold,….
I still think that modern superbikes are too heavy. They need to be around 110 kg wet or less and have 160 bhp plus to play with. And preferably fitted with a v twin engine.
That’s just insanity. Do you know what the Ducati superleggera costs?
The irony is bmw never win races😂. I just sold my 2015 for $12k
No one seems to mention that they eat bearing's for fun........... my 18 is on is 2nd engine, crash test goat's has just blow up the other week.
Really? I never knew that. Race or road?
Over 30k miles on mine with road and track use. Zero issues.
Go to a track day these days and you'll find majority of the bikes are s1000rr and r1.
@neevesybikes "Crash test goat" does nothing but ride his bikes at top speeds down the freeways over and over and over. Of course he blows up his bikes. I've had 7 R1's over the years including a '16 standard and '16 R1M. Never had a problem except my starter went out on my '07 at 30k miles.
Na, I think we have a Kawi fanboy here😂
Yea ctg does ride like a dik ngl, still lots of r1's with bearing problems@@franklinwilkerson2061