If this girl watches Jinjer she'll have either a laugh attack or she'll faint lmao since Tati is a beautiful soprano an yet can scream like a freaking demon
I have only listened to a few songs of theirs, does she actually scream in some? I've only heard growls so far...? (with 'screams', I mean more what the first coach was trying to get at... something like this from Feuerschwanz' "Warriors of the World" cover - ruclips.net/video/-rKOoM7S6mw/видео.html 🤘😁)
@@missrubyphoenix I agree, Tatiana is awesome. Personally, I would add Lena from Infected Rain too. Especially, in her co-operations with other bands/artists. She switch between different voices/styles too.
Worth noting Adrienne is a graduate of Berklee School of Music. Perhaps the most impressive thing about her is she's classically trained, as well as trained in more Broadway type singing, and of course her metal vocals
Adrienne is incredible. She can sing any style she wants and she always sounds amazing. In Seven Spires she switches between many styles with an ease. When I first heard this band around 1-2 years ago, I instantly felt in love with her voice. I think, but I can be wrong, this is not so usual for classically trained vocalists.
@@GrunkleBearnison saw the final show in that tour having never heard of Seven Spires before. Was instantly hooked. Her voice is incredible and stage presence is very fun too.
Same, only I spent 8 years of my childhood getting beat with a moccasin by a piano by various old women if I missed a note instead of going to college 😂
Change is never painful, you know. You could still become a nice person minding their own business without judging strangers on the internet if you'd stop resisting.@@stegokitty
The reason for the different approaches is that they were 2 different types of screams. Andy was doing fry. Adrienne was doing false cord. I always recommend that you begin by learning false cord. It took me literally months to get that quiet fry scream down, and many more to put any power into it! It's all about practice and conditioning.
Exactly, my first attempt at harsh vocals was in 2018 when I could finally get into Dimmu Borgir, I was trying to sing along The Serpentine Offering, I quickly learnt how to produce the sounds since it's like not terribly high but it was really tiring and my breath control was shit. 5 years later, I can be in the crowd of a concert and growl/scream along during the entire thing AND not lose my voice the next day (my first couple concerts that wasn't the case, but I guess I managed to train myself endurance and clearer technique). Oh, and indeed initially I was trying to do the highs with a false chord scream, didn't learn how to fry until recently now that I started pushing myself by actively attending concerts and just singing along in the crowd. It just... happened naturally since I had to be able to project power to be able to hear myself
the way he explained what he was doing was kind of terrible. everyone that ive seen make any sense of it starts with the heavy sigh. not "just combine these two sounds"
@@anester1866 the heavy sigh lends itself more to false cord. It's an easy way to hold the true folds open and allow air to rush through to the tissues above. Using a vocal fry triggers the true folds to stay closed, which is why a lot of people suggest using it as a gateway sound for fry screaming. It's a matter of learning to move air through that closure effectively enough to project it into a scream that posed the greatest challenge to me when I was still learning how to initiate it. So yes, tutorials for fry screaming tend to be less direct than they are for false cord, because fry is more mechanically advanced. Not knocking false cord at all. While it's easier to pick up, it's still very challenging to do well.
The fry scream is pitchless vocal fry but with false chords also engaged. So its that fry you were doing at the start combined with Adrienne's false chord scream. When Adrienne was doing the "witches cackle" she was doing fry screams.
Adrienne is definitely one of the best female metal vocalists out there. Her range is incredible and how clearly she can articulate words when doing growls is top notch.
metal with VIOLINS it's always awesome, I mentioned how much I love violins in non-vionlin-y genres to a violinist friend and he said "well, if they're classically trained" (and some tribalist bs about viola's I didn't care to pay attention to, it's just part of the deal with violinists) I never thought about training when it comes to metal and metalcore but it makes so much sense. You definitely want violinists who know what they're doing, and vocalists who won't fuck their vocal tracks trying to sound cool (+ operatic vocals sound fucking awesome in metal).
Fry and false fold screams seem to be getting confused here. If there is a feeling of damage, you are using your true folds - and yes, the risk of damage is real. Metal scream singers open their true folds completely and use the upper larynx to produce the sounds. Try Tatiana from Jinjer for a great example. Their play-through video of Pisces is a good way in.
it is posibble to use the true folds in a scream safely. i shall remind you that because the true folds are mucous membrane, they can't feel pain due to the lack of nociceptors, so the irritation you feel when performing a bad technique does not come from the true folds themselves but the surrounding tissues.
@@masterleon40 ive heard that the irritation you feel around your true folds is because you’re doing something wrong and it will damage your true folds. I’d be curious to know what you meant by a safe scream with your true folds because I’ve never seen anyone say that could be safe.
@@JoshMIW i'm not talking about vocal fry distortion. It is indeed very hard to perform a scream with true fold distortion without it being unsafe. I was thinking more like pitched screams, like chester bennington did or sam carter does. those pitched screams introduce phonation along with the distortion, belted phonation, but it still is true fold activation.
@@Zamstein yes it is, but shall we make a distinction between phonation and distortion. a vocal fry driven fry scream uses the vocal folds to generate distortion. phonation on the other hand has a totally different waveform because of the physical mechanism that's generating the sound.
So for those who don’t know, the vocal fry scream style and the grunting scream style are two very drastically different ways at making distortion for screams, one typically come far easier to people then the other though it depends on you. The two screams are Fry Screams and False Cord Screams. I myself am only capable of doing the False Cord screams. Good to know the difference and that they are in fact different ways of creating distortion. These videos cover the absolute basics of both and there is far more to be learned about both in terms of techniques for each.
False cord screams seem to be much more accessible. Fry screams took me months of practice to learn how to do. Even now I can't do it on command. I have to warm up and ease into the feel
@@codigitty9195 I think what I do is Fry screams because everything is fully open when I scream, the exception is when I go deep for Death Metal growls although maybe that I fry too. Been doing it for two decades so kinda hard to tell at this point because I'm just so used to it.
fry screams are not vocal fry screams, they primarly use aryepigglotic folds and similar ones to create sound. true folds should never be used. falsefold screams use false folds yes
@@Winter_ShackThank you!, Without this I almost would've misapplied this without having the forethought to realize that it would go against everything I was taught about vocal safety. Trying to keep your true folds closed while pushing more air through them is a recipe for disaster.
The original singer from Flyleaf explains how she went from straining her voice to scream to no straining. You should track that down. Her voice is so good in general.
If Lacey Sturm wasn't the original who was? She was the one that made them famous so sometimes that's all that matters is who people have experienced. Her replacement doesn't cut it for me personally. @@ThanatosRXthana7
Loved it, I’m a big fan of the genres that use this technique! You did really well, I think that with a bit of practice you could get it. Interestingly enough Elizabeth Zaroff (The Charismatic voice) who is also an Opera singer is learning the technique from Will Ramos who is a really crazy singer of this technique!
As a vocalist for a neocrust band (false chord screams), and having studied opera in college, I assure you that producing high quality non-destructive hardcore vocals is actually more difficult than singing opera. The control you need over your voice for a great scream is, counterintuitively, much more delicate. And you have to channel that intense sound while keeping your vocal mechanisms relaxed and operating within a very narrow margin of error. Quite challenging. That said, even for clean-style vocals like opera, most forms of pop, etc., learning how to use false chord and fry techniques will absolutely increase and enrich your vocal prowess and improve your ability and control immeasurably. And for those who are interested in pursuing hardcore vocal styles, learning to sing well beforehand is the vital foundation. If you can't produce good, strong, clean vocal tones with accurate pitch, you're going to annihilate your vocal chords if you attempt the extreme styles. If your voice was a car, it'd be like hitting a drift racing track the day you earned your license. What would happen to your car is what will happen to your voice. No joke.
😁 totally agree I've been learning pitch and good clean singing and then add the extreme vocal style on top and it doesn't hurt my voice at all feels good if you feel your voice bad after (uncomfortable is normal when training your voice in new ways) but not losing rage or speaking voice then your doing something right noob misstep don't copy Taylors screaming on first two albums sounds great but not great for your vocal health as I learned the hard way but now I changed my style voice feels good again doing same songs that I would lose my voice to for a few weeks
@@jaygopinath1694 when you mention "Taylors screaming on first two albums" are you talking about Corey Taylor and if so is that Stone Sour or Slipknot's first albums or a combination of both?
@@robertdouble559 Therion does both. They are a real fusion of metal and opera. They have metal music with operatic vocals with choir or soloists. No need for an opera singer to sound like a metal singer but rather sing operatic vocals on top of metal music.
I think the expert in this field must be Floor Jansen. She used to growl a lot in her Revamp days, but also could and still can switch to opera on a dime. Now she fronts the symphonic metal band Nightwish and started a pop solo career as well. She sang a short opera aria once on Dutch TV "o mio babbino caro".
Nah that would be Melissa Cross, she genuine studied teaching extreme vocals. Floor is obviously knowledgeable but she never specialized in teaching harsh vocals.
@@Celatra Hmm. listen to this. ruclips.net/video/UeTyAZtV5wI/видео.html And Floor agrees with you. She said that she studied classical singing, but not to a great extent. We also know she did not like classical singing (especially opera) because it is too precise in their dogmas. She dislikes dogmatic rules in singing.
Adrienne Cowan is amazing. I discovered her band Seven Spires after they featured my favourite singer Roy Khan on a recent album. I am not a fan of screaming in metal but when it is used sort of like percussion, for emphasis or a certain effect at points like in Kamelot- March of Mephisto rather than the main vocals in a song, it can be very effective. This was interesting to see you work through the process.
I'm a self taught metal vocalist. The hardest part honestly is just realizing that everyone's bodies are different and everyone has different anatomies. No one has the same voice whether its speaking, singing, or screaming. That part took me forever to understand. Because I was learning by listening to my music, and trying to imitate exactly what I heard. Resulting in some very bad sounds, and sounds that were unhealthy for me. After about 2 years of doing vocals unsafely I figured it out. I've been honing my voice ever since and It's been about 6-8 years now since I started. I smoke, I drink soda and do lots of unhealthy things that should affect my voice. But I can assure you, if you do unclean vocals correctly, it will not damage your vocal tract, or your true vocal folds at all. Practice, practice, practice!
While this is late, I think my favorite female vocalist right now is Tatiana Shmayluk from the band Jinjer. I personally recommend their live session of Pisces.
There are lot of great female singers in metal, but Adrienne Cowan is undoubtedly near the top of the list: incredible control, articulation, and stylistic and dramatic range. Seven Spires is essential listening if you like Broadway Metal (not a term but needs to be).
@@KnjazNazrathIt sounds very little like Dani Filth. It does sound almost exactly like the other of the two 'pop' extreme metal bands of that era, but the fact that you think she sounds almost like someone that sounds markedly different shows that you have very little frame of reference and completely lack the knowledge to speak with any authority on the subject
@@radicalstanza3614 I said "too much like", which is a personal qualifier. As far as knowledge and frames of reference go, I know my Fleurety from my B.S.o.D. thanks...
Cristina, thank for making this video, even if Metal isn't your type of music. It was very cool to watch your first attempts at harsh vocals, because I could definitely relate to the amount of times I've tried to do those vocals, and failed again and again. Now I can do those vocals to some extent, but that's because I haven't stopped trying. If anyone watching this video has tried harsh vocals, but you still haven't been successful yet.. DON'T GIVE UP! As long as you're taking good care of your voice, you just gotta keep on truckin'😏. You'll get there eventually.
My first attempt at harsh vocals was in 2018 when I could finally get into Dimmu Borgir, I was trying to sing along The Serpentine Offering, I quickly learnt how to produce the sounds since it's like not terribly high but it was really tiring and my breath control was shit. 5 years later, I can be in the crowd of a concert and growl/scream along during the entire thing AND not lose my voice the next day (my first couple concerts that wasn't the case, but I guess I managed to train myself endurance and clearer technique). Oh, and initially I was trying to do the highs with a false chord scream, didn't learn how to fry until I started pushing myself by actively attending concerts and just singing along in the crowd
@@ГеоргиПеев-й3ы Wow! I haven't been to any metal concerts, but I can see how that would be a great opportunity to practice using harsh vocals, fs. Keep it up, man!💯
So glad found this video. It's very interesting to see what comes naturally to the process as well as what is painful to the singers ears. Hope more people find the content.
A couple things which might be useful: -False cord and Fry scream are not actually good terms anymore, most screams are a combination between what was classicaly thought as false cord and fry scream. -There are a bunch of variables for what makes a scream sound the way it does, but the most important are Air pressure(breath support basically), Constriction of the larynx(compression basically), distortion(which can come from the arytenoids, the false folds, the aryepiglottic folds, the epiglottis, etc) and phonation. Mess around with these variables while adjusting your technique to avoid pain and strain and you'll be great.
Really good start :O The thing I would add for less strain, is moving the face muscles more for pronunciation and harmonics control ^^ In opera the face is a bit more relaxed to get those niiiice open vowels, engage the face more :B And your scream will sound stronger and more precise ! I loved the video
Maybe it was recommended already, but I highly recommend "Operation Throat Camera" with The Charismatic Voice and Will Ramos. It's a fascinating internal view of the mechanics of this guys metal vocals!
Tatiana Shmayluk of Jinjer is literally the best female in the business when it comes to the harsh growl vocals. That girl will make the hairs on the back of your neck stand on end...especially live. I've been fortunate enough to see them perform live twice, and both times I was floored not only by her vicals,but by the band's perfection and sound quality over all. Better than studio
Wow- effing-wee! 😮! That female singer who shared her growling secrets, broke it down into simple steps, and they were so easy to follow and understand. And what about vocal range, and switches, insane, 😮, she can hit some sustained notes! Thank you for this video, and the Simpsons interlude,😂.
I am a choral singer and recently learnd to do fry screams, and its easier than what she was doing. Tryin to do it from fry is not a good thing, it is easier for her who already posses an amazing support do it like a very harsh and noisy whisper. Take that head voice and transform it into a whisper. Great video, and she sings like an angel hahaahah
I'm an Opera singer and I GOT IT with the first dude! What I've done is starting with a head voice, and taking off the chord when I started to add pressure and resonate at the top of the mouth, the second region if I'm not wrong. When you turn off the voice completely, you'll kill the fry. So you have to continue projecting as you're singing, when keeping the resonance high. But take care: the abuse of strenght may really hurt you vocal chords. You'll have to find a balance point at it. I've been trying this for a long time until I found this video, and got it clean today for the first time ever. Thank you for sharing. That fry scream from the guy is harder. The grunt is easier, and I already sing it for a bit longer. The only thing you'll have to correct in yours (i guess) is turning off the vocal chords and use just the vestibular chords. Using the vocal chords to make grunt may be really harmful. Thanks for the video, and good luck trying!
I taught my HS sweetheart how to scream and it took her about 3 months to reach my level. taking her to concerts and shes screaming louder and better than those on stage ppl turning their heads, giving the horns, made me so proud... I hope where ever she is, she still does heavy metal vocals.
First of all: Great Video! When I started metal singing a few years ago I had a lot of trouble to learn it because no one was there to teach me screaming or growling. But one thing might be also quite interesting: Adrienne is (especially in the last part) not only using screaming techniques, but also something called growling wich is indeed a bit different. That's why she sounds more like a demon in this part. I'm a metal singer myself and right now I am studying music which means one of my subjects is classical singing. I loved that look upon your face when you first heard this sound XD 2 weeks ago I've been to the USA for a choir event and we did a version of "The circle of life" with 300 people and a liveorchestra and we needed a lion sound ... Everytime I did it everybody around me turned with the expression of surprise and confusion like you did in the video haha XD 1 week befor I did a cover of "Phantom of the opera (main theme)" with a friend of mine and I used metal techniques at the last part for the phantom to sound like the demon he is straight out of hell. Different location, same result. I just loved it! XD
Love that you guys showcased Adrienne. She’s a really cool down to earth person and her band is fantastic ambience music, especially when company is over. Been a fan of Adrienne and Sevenspires for years. Discovered em by accident, and stayed for the evolution of them. She is a berklee graduate so that in some ways helps. And yes she taught me to scream. Clean wise Ive kinda just figured it out on my own. It’s a never ending journey and with vocalists like Dickie Allen, Phil Bozeman, Howard Jones, Myles Kennedy, and Phil Labonte there’s a lot of inspiration and learning curves to take away from.
With your permission and if you're really interested in harsh vocals, I'm going to recommend the video made by a colleague of yours Elizabeth Zharoff from Charismatic voice channel. It's a laryngoscopy of Lorna Shore vocalist Will Ramos doing harsh vocals. Spoiler alert, the scientists in the end are surprised by the health of Will's entire vocal system and the conclusion is that well executed, harsh vocals DO NOT DAMAGE the vocal cords. Video here: ruclips.net/video/Ua8SuWNPrLE/видео.html
As a clarinetist, I do love opera. However, I am really taking a closer look at all those metal singers; they really nail it. That's pretty cool. Thanks for posting it, Cristina.
If you are interested in developing harsh vocals safely, check out Will Ramos, Elizabeth from The Charismatic Voice Channel (also an opera singer), and Chris Liepe's joint project about safe exercise and development of "screaming." Will had a throat scope on camera prior to this collab and his vocal folds were not damaged. The researchers actually found that his larynx sort of twists to make the sound. Highly recommend. edit: You may have trouble getting the whole phrase in one breath because fry screams typically require less breath pressure and do not hammmm volume. You're coming at it with opera volume, so you'll have a hard time controlling it and will run out of breath to support the entire phrase.
Differences between the two examples you saw is where they let the scream sit in their throat. Lower screams sit lower in the throat. The first guys screams are up higher in the throat and much more dangerous. If it feels like you're trying to clear phlegm out of your throat without coughing, you're pretty close. Another thing that will add to the sound is remembering that screaming is used as an expression of anger, frustration. Bring that into it, flare the nostrils, and let it tighten up the soft pallet. The tongue is also pulled back as far as it can naturally go.
FANTASTIC !!! found this by accident :-) So cool when skilled vocalist react to these harsh vocals. Soon I guess you will be supprised by jinger or lorna shore :-D
I was so happy/confused to find Eugene Teo in this vid. One of my favorite fitness youtubers. Feel like my music and fitness world just collided into a weird limbo.
Tatiana from Jinjer is the best at this. Vortex, Perennial, Teacher Teacher, Who is Gonna Be the One are good things to check out. Their live videos show just how impressive she/they are.
It is always interesting to see people approach a barrier they never crossed and how stressful and scary it initially is. Most will actually step back ...
You need to watch the video of Lorna Shore's Will Ramos with the Camera down his throat, recording his vocal folds live. Incredible capture of his vocal capacity. It's truly amazing. Also, Tatiana of Jinjer, watch their song Pisces❤
Hello; You need check the most beautiful and power voice of the Queen of Metal; Mrs. FLOOR JANSEN; She can sing all generes of music. She is the singer of the most popular band of synphonic-metal; called Nightwish (2012-today). Greetings from Argentina🤘😉
First off andy is a monster of a vocalist. His work with Monuments is top notch to me and their new album was my most listened to album of 2022. Secondly it's cool to see classical singers appreciate screaming and fried vocals
It definitely doesn't hurt, and when you get it out and you perfect it it sounds awesome and actually feels satisfying to do. You know you're doing it right when you can keep your voice out of it completely and add it in slowly and pull it back out without much change in distortion, and can flip between clean singing and screaming easily. It's hard to get down but once you do its easy to learn the other techniques there are and add things onto it. Andy cizek explained it well, but only for people who already know how to do it. If you don't have any idea on how to do it, that doesn't help much. It's easier to understand false chord as your first scream imo, and that's what I started with, and I've just moved into fry's recently (a year or so) and blended scream singing. They all feel similar but with slightly different placement. I feel like false chord is easier to understand right off the bat because most people already have a frame of reference on what the exasperated sigh feels like and can easily manipulate it once it's been explained in that way. An exasperated sigh already has distortion and projection and just needs to be manipulated with duration and mouth shape, where as not many people have a guage of what it feels like to add projection on that fry feeling, so it's easier to learn once you've practiced for a long time and have learned how to project a sound without your voice being where the sound comes from
Yeah metal screams are safe to do as long as you are careful in building the technique up and not skip steps. Its very easy to hurt your voice if you press to hard or compress to quick, but yeah no it is safe if you are careful. Also a great note, classsical training and technique really helps to do the vocals, especially correctly. Adding the volume is the same as belting, you add more air and add more space but you dont add any pressure in your throat, which is where people destroy their voices with screams is they add pressure to the throat. Great video!
Something to note, at least from what I’ve come to learn, that with false cords growls (which is the second technique you tried and most common place to start with harsh vocals) the scratchy feeling actually isn’t a particularly bad thing. Now before I dig myself too deep, that doesn’t mean continue even if it hurts. You’re vocal chords themselves don’t have pain receptors so the feeling is essentially your false folds building a tolerance to the stress being put on them in situations outside of their natural purpose (coughing, gagging, vomiting, etc.).
Hi Cristina! About the 'vocal destroying' feelings you had, please watch a fellow opera singer, Elizabeth aka The Charismatic voice's video with Will Ramos, a deathcore vocalist. They put a camera down his throat :)
I don't know if you found it, but Malinda (of As sung by Google Translate fame) did much the same, but meeting up with a metal singer, and it felt like they went into a decent amount of detail talking about their different singing styles. Obviously, there may well have been more to the videos that you used than you showed in this for sake of time, but it might be an interesting one to look up. It's titled "Metal and opera singer give each other a voice lesson" if it's of interest to you.
thats the best analogy for that. the running, the feet hurt, but overall they heal and are stronger for it. ease into fry screams but once you find your register, dont be shy. your chords arent as fragile as they seem. dont be afraid to push it, but like any kind of singing, stop if theres any pain.
I know Im late to the vid, but I'd love to see her reaction to In Between, by In This Moment. The way that song flows between the harsh vocals and her clean voice was astounding.
Adrienne is my favourite female vocal, but she can sometimes struggle with breath control during clean low notes. Another favourite is Vicky Psarakis, whose cleans I like more and she improved her scream and growls over time greatly.
I don’t know how I ended up here. But truth be told I’m so glad. I enjoyed this way more than I expected 😂 kudos and praise to all singers! From opera to screaming. I’m a fan of both and everything in between. ❤😊
Jinjer is definitely another band you should check out - frontwoman is Tatiana Shmayluk . I think you would particularly like Judgment and Punishment One Take Vocal performance. She has some of the deepest female growls I have heard and has an amazing singing voice as well, switching on the fly consistently. Edit - spelling her last name....
I just scrolled down here to say exact this! Jinjer needs to happen. She also explained her technique in an interview that you can find on here. She's a vocal monster and by far the best female metal vocalist I have ever heard.
If you want to hear someone explain it in proper musical terms with realistic practice tips who will also understand that it is confusing and won’t just do it expecting you to understand, i recommend looking at Chris Liepe’s videos on the subject. he has a series on it and some of the videos even feature Will Ramos from Lorna Shore. They break down the techniques more and tell you what you’re doing and how to practice without hurting yourself. it’s so much easier to understand.
You have got a lovely soprano voice You don’t have to scream in order to join the Metal genre. We need more soprano singers in the Symphonic Metal industry, they are just not many currently. I love Tarja I love Floor Jansen and Nightwish I love Simone Simons I love Dianne van Giersbergen I love Lori Lewis I love Martina Astner Hopefully, one day will see your name in the Metal Genre.
@@punkbjork I like her songs too especially the song Faster. The internet says her band is symphonic metal band however most of her songs aren't sang in soprano that's why I leave her band out on my list above.
@@vJaxz you should check out their earlier albums, some of the best gothic metal i have ever heard. if you like that song, check out the rest of the album "the unforgiving", for me that track doesn't even stand out as among the best. around the middle and end it really takes off. if u want to hear the kind of heavy symphonic metal with soprano vocals like the bands you listed, listen to everything released before that album, which is quite pop rock by comparison. "the heart of everything" (aside from maybe the second track, but again, takes off more after the beginning) is near musical perfection, closely followed by their sophomore "the silent force". (nothing else in their discography is worth listening to, aside from their debut "enter"; don't go any further or you will face immense disappointment. their latest releases are unrecognizable.)
Great video. If you want proof that screaming (done properly) need not damage your voice you should check out Nightwish - Yours is an Empty Hope (eg Wembley version) but I suggest you first watch Nightwish - Ghost Love Score (Wacken 2013) if you are not already familiar with their lead singer - Floor Jansen. The Ghost Love Score song showcases a remarkably versatile, many-coloured voice that would certainly not be worth risking if screaming were too risky to attempt. As a third song, you might consider listening to Floor singing Vilja Lied in a more operatic style on the Beste Zangers show (recorded after the tour where ,Yours is an Empty Hope was routinely performed) as proof that pure delicate vocals can survive a fry up!
I'd also recommend checking out Floor Jansen with her previous band doing death metal growls, classical singing and operatic voice in the same song (unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be higher quality live recording of this performance but this should give pretty good idea what Floor could do already a decade ago): Revamp: Misery's no Crime. @ Mezz Breda 17-01-2014 ruclips.net/video/SNPesLFTnUg/видео.html
If she wasn’t to see the craziest extremes of both vocal styles taught in this video in Fry and False Cord, check out Dickie Allen from Infant Annihilator (Fry) and Will Ramos from Lorna Shore (False Cord). Two amazing vocalists who are extremely talented at their root distortion and all the techniques encompassed in them.
Will's high fries are also insane, I'd probably say his highs are even better than previous Lorna vocalists' so I wouldn't attribute him to a false chord example
@@ГеоргиПеев-й3ы You are right, though his lows are typically done using False, though that is confusing and I probably could pick a better example. Like Chris Boseman of Whitechapel or Ben Duerr of Shadow of Intent.
This is the first time I've heard you guys and I enjoyed it! Very fun! But if you could entertain a little criticism, I found the volume levels between you guys and your "vocal coaches" to be too large - I had to turn the vol up to hear the coaches and turn the vol down when you guys started to speak. Other than that - GREAT and informative!
the song that Addrienne is singing is "All I Ask of You" from Phantom of the Opera. The singing part is Christine and the screaming part is the Phantom
Oh man....fully empaphise with the notion that your muscle memory can make it hard to sing/play baddly even if you wanted too and its actually an art in of itself to deliberatly sound bad on an instrument you've mastered lol
Christina, If your voice teachers watch this they will die! ALL that work for so long, just gone!!!! Good job you two! This is FUN!!!! Thank both of YOU!!!!
As others said there is one singer who is really a champion of combining voice techniques with an unparalleled versatility. Here is an example of her combining deep "death growls" and powerfull operatic head voice even in the same sentence (alas it is a fan phone recording so the sound quality is not great, but still the performance is STUNNING. ruclips.net/video/SNPesLFTnUg/видео.html
First time checking out your channel. Adrienne Cowan was amazing!! Her way of explaining it made more sense to me as well. It seems quite difficult to get your voice to do that and I’m surprised if they have a voice left after an hour. You both trying to do it was so funny. At one point Cristina sounded a bit like a fax machine. Lol. Props for trying it online! 👍 I hope to see more fun videos in the future! 😊
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If this girl watches Jinjer she'll have either a laugh attack or she'll faint lmao since Tati is a beautiful soprano an yet can scream like a freaking demon
I have only listened to a few songs of theirs, does she actually scream in some? I've only heard growls so far...?
(with 'screams', I mean more what the first coach was trying to get at... something like this from Feuerschwanz' "Warriors of the World" cover - ruclips.net/video/-rKOoM7S6mw/видео.html 🤘😁)
@@Wolf-ln1ml Tatiana does a little bit of everything, she's a versatile singer
Tatiana is definitely not a soprano. Her regular singing voice is definitely deeper. But yeah. Tati can do like everything. She is a vocal beast.
@@missrubyphoenix I agree, Tatiana is awesome.
Personally, I would add Lena from Infected Rain too. Especially, in her co-operations with other bands/artists. She switch between different voices/styles too.
WTF did I just listen to lmao it's fuckin incredible
Worth noting Adrienne is a graduate of Berklee School of Music. Perhaps the most impressive thing about her is she's classically trained, as well as trained in more Broadway type singing, and of course her metal vocals
This makes so much sense! She has amazing technique
@@cristinamrusso i saw her with Seven Spires and Eluveitie last month, she's even better live. Absolutely incredible.
Adrienne is incredible. She can sing any style she wants and she always sounds amazing. In Seven Spires she switches between many styles with an ease. When I first heard this band around 1-2 years ago, I instantly felt in love with her voice.
I think, but I can be wrong, this is not so usual for classically trained vocalists.
@@GrunkleBearnison saw the final show in that tour having never heard of Seven Spires before. Was instantly hooked. Her voice is incredible and stage presence is very fun too.
Same, only I spent 8 years of my childhood getting beat with a moccasin by a piano by various old women if I missed a note instead of going to college 😂
Adrienne's ability to have harsh vocals and also articulate the lyrics is remarkable.
There's nothing articulate about it.
Change is never painful, you know. You could still become a nice person minding their own business without judging strangers on the internet if you'd stop resisting.@@stegokitty
The reason for the different approaches is that they were 2 different types of screams. Andy was doing fry. Adrienne was doing false cord. I always recommend that you begin by learning false cord. It took me literally months to get that quiet fry scream down, and many more to put any power into it! It's all about practice and conditioning.
Exactly, my first attempt at harsh vocals was in 2018 when I could finally get into Dimmu Borgir, I was trying to sing along The Serpentine Offering, I quickly learnt how to produce the sounds since it's like not terribly high but it was really tiring and my breath control was shit.
5 years later, I can be in the crowd of a concert and growl/scream along during the entire thing AND not lose my voice the next day (my first couple concerts that wasn't the case, but I guess I managed to train myself endurance and clearer technique). Oh, and indeed initially I was trying to do the highs with a false chord scream, didn't learn how to fry until recently now that I started pushing myself by actively attending concerts and just singing along in the crowd. It just... happened naturally since I had to be able to project power to be able to hear myself
the way he explained what he was doing was kind of terrible. everyone that ive seen make any sense of it starts with the heavy sigh. not "just combine these two sounds"
@@anester1866 the heavy sigh lends itself more to false cord. It's an easy way to hold the true folds open and allow air to rush through to the tissues above. Using a vocal fry triggers the true folds to stay closed, which is why a lot of people suggest using it as a gateway sound for fry screaming. It's a matter of learning to move air through that closure effectively enough to project it into a scream that posed the greatest challenge to me when I was still learning how to initiate it. So yes, tutorials for fry screaming tend to be less direct than they are for false cord, because fry is more mechanically advanced. Not knocking false cord at all. While it's easier to pick up, it's still very challenging to do well.
The fry scream is pitchless vocal fry but with false chords also engaged. So its that fry you were doing at the start combined with Adrienne's false chord scream. When Adrienne was doing the "witches cackle" she was doing fry screams.
@@ГеоргиПеев-й3ыok, but don't do that lol. Imagine being in the crowd and hearing someone else growling instead of the vocalist you paid to see
I just love musicians who are able to appreciate other styles of music besides their own, and are willing to just try them out!
That's what I'm doing sitting on My bed. 😁👍🏻
metal singers who learn the right way to do it do it every day for years and do not hurt their voices
are you gonna finish that sentence or not?
Adrienne is definitely one of the best female metal vocalists out there. Her range is incredible and how clearly she can articulate words when doing growls is top notch.
Classical training in music and metal go so well together. These two worlds should collaborate
Pat benetar paved the way
did you listen to vivaldi
Or Wagner, lol... Maybe Tarja Turunen but idk if she does that screaming thing
You would love power and symphonic metal if you arent familar with the two subgenres.
metal with VIOLINS it's always awesome, I mentioned how much I love violins in non-vionlin-y genres to a violinist friend and he said "well, if they're classically trained" (and some tribalist bs about viola's I didn't care to pay attention to, it's just part of the deal with violinists) I never thought about training when it comes to metal and metalcore but it makes so much sense. You definitely want violinists who know what they're doing, and vocalists who won't fuck their vocal tracks trying to sound cool (+ operatic vocals sound fucking awesome in metal).
Fry and false fold screams seem to be getting confused here. If there is a feeling of damage, you are using your true folds - and yes, the risk of damage is real. Metal scream singers open their true folds completely and use the upper larynx to produce the sounds. Try Tatiana from Jinjer for a great example. Their play-through video of Pisces is a good way in.
it is posibble to use the true folds in a scream safely. i shall remind you that because the true folds are mucous membrane, they can't feel pain due to the lack of nociceptors, so the irritation you feel when performing a bad technique does not come from the true folds themselves but the surrounding tissues.
@@masterleon40 ive heard that the irritation you feel around your true folds is because you’re doing something wrong and it will damage your true folds. I’d be curious to know what you meant by a safe scream with your true folds because I’ve never seen anyone say that could be safe.
@@JoshMIW i'm not talking about vocal fry distortion. It is indeed very hard to perform a scream with true fold distortion without it being unsafe. I was thinking more like pitched screams, like chester bennington did or sam carter does. those pitched screams introduce phonation along with the distortion, belted phonation, but it still is true fold activation.
If there is phonation, then there’s some amalgamation of true vocal fold vibration. Even vocal fry is at the true vocal folds.
@@Zamstein yes it is, but shall we make a distinction between phonation and distortion. a vocal fry driven fry scream uses the vocal folds to generate distortion. phonation on the other hand has a totally different waveform because of the physical mechanism that's generating the sound.
So for those who don’t know, the vocal fry scream style and the grunting scream style are two very drastically different ways at making distortion for screams, one typically come far easier to people then the other though it depends on you. The two screams are Fry Screams and False Cord Screams. I myself am only capable of doing the False Cord screams. Good to know the difference and that they are in fact different ways of creating distortion. These videos cover the absolute basics of both and there is far more to be learned about both in terms of techniques for each.
False cord screams seem to be much more accessible. Fry screams took me months of practice to learn how to do. Even now I can't do it on command. I have to warm up and ease into the feel
@@codigitty9195 I think what I do is Fry screams because everything is fully open when I scream, the exception is when I go deep for Death Metal growls although maybe that I fry too. Been doing it for two decades so kinda hard to tell at this point because I'm just so used to it.
fry screams are not vocal fry screams, they primarly use aryepigglotic folds and similar ones to create sound. true folds should never be used.
falsefold screams use false folds yes
@@codigitty9195 what worked the best with me for fry scream is trying to emulate the feeling that im about to throw up
@@Winter_ShackThank you!, Without this I almost would've misapplied this without having the forethought to realize that it would go against everything I was taught about vocal safety. Trying to keep your true folds closed while pushing more air through them is a recipe for disaster.
The original singer from Flyleaf explains how she went from straining her voice to scream to no straining. You should track that down. Her voice is so good in general.
good taste in music huh
@@kaivylwhat ?
Lacey Sturm
she was not the original singer...
If Lacey Sturm wasn't the original who was? She was the one that made them famous so sometimes that's all that matters is who people have experienced. Her replacement doesn't cut it for me personally.
@@ThanatosRXthana7
I am absolutely enamored by singers that transition between clean and guttural vocals in a single section
Loved it, I’m a big fan of the genres that use this technique! You did really well, I think that with a bit of practice you could get it. Interestingly enough Elizabeth Zaroff (The Charismatic voice) who is also an Opera singer is learning the technique from Will Ramos who is a really crazy singer of this technique!
And then you have the rest of us that learned how to scream safely by watching RUclips videos back in 2006
As a vocalist for a neocrust band (false chord screams), and having studied opera in college, I assure you that producing high quality non-destructive hardcore vocals is actually more difficult than singing opera. The control you need over your voice for a great scream is, counterintuitively, much more delicate. And you have to channel that intense sound while keeping your vocal mechanisms relaxed and operating within a very narrow margin of error. Quite challenging. That said, even for clean-style vocals like opera, most forms of pop, etc., learning how to use false chord and fry techniques will absolutely increase and enrich your vocal prowess and improve your ability and control immeasurably. And for those who are interested in pursuing hardcore vocal styles, learning to sing well beforehand is the vital foundation. If you can't produce good, strong, clean vocal tones with accurate pitch, you're going to annihilate your vocal chords if you attempt the extreme styles. If your voice was a car, it'd be like hitting a drift racing track the day you earned your license. What would happen to your car is what will happen to your voice. No joke.
Very well put
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😁 totally agree I've been learning pitch and good clean singing and then add the extreme vocal style on top and it doesn't hurt my voice at all feels good if you feel your voice bad after (uncomfortable is normal when training your voice in new ways) but not losing rage or speaking voice then your doing something right noob misstep don't copy Taylors screaming on first two albums sounds great but not great for your vocal health as I learned the hard way but now I changed my style voice feels good again doing same songs that I would lose my voice to for a few weeks
@@jaygopinath1694 when you mention "Taylors screaming on first two albums" are you talking about Corey Taylor and if so is that Stone Sour or Slipknot's first albums or a combination of both?
@@robertdouble559 Therion does both. They are a real fusion of metal and opera. They have metal music with operatic vocals with choir or soloists. No need for an opera singer to sound like a metal singer but rather sing operatic vocals on top of metal music.
I think the expert in this field must be Floor Jansen. She used to growl a lot in her Revamp days, but also could and still can switch to opera on a dime. Now she fronts the symphonic metal band Nightwish and started a pop solo career as well. She sang a short opera aria once on Dutch TV "o mio babbino caro".
Nah that would be Melissa Cross, she genuine studied teaching extreme vocals. Floor is obviously knowledgeable but she never specialized in teaching harsh vocals.
Floor does not sing Opera. In fact her classical voice is rather weak.
@@Celatra Hmm. listen to this. ruclips.net/video/UeTyAZtV5wI/видео.html And Floor agrees with you. She said that she studied classical singing, but not to a great extent. We also know she did not like classical singing (especially opera) because it is too precise in their dogmas. She dislikes dogmatic rules in singing.
@@Celatra yes the song schoemaker the end , better then tarja , from the band nightwish
@@fredverkerk838 no. Floor is good but she isnt as good as Tarja when it comes to singing in headvoice.
Magic! I am a 70 yr. tenor and never could growl. Adrienne Cowan made me see the lion in me. Thanks Cristina for helping me over the line!
Adrienne Cowan is amazing. I discovered her band Seven Spires after they featured my favourite singer Roy Khan on a recent album. I am not a fan of screaming in metal but when it is used sort of like percussion, for emphasis or a certain effect at points like in Kamelot- March of Mephisto rather than the main vocals in a song, it can be very effective. This was interesting to see you work through the process.
I'm a self taught metal vocalist. The hardest part honestly is just realizing that everyone's bodies are different and everyone has different anatomies. No one has the same voice whether its speaking, singing, or screaming. That part took me forever to understand. Because I was learning by listening to my music, and trying to imitate exactly what I heard. Resulting in some very bad sounds, and sounds that were unhealthy for me. After about 2 years of doing vocals unsafely I figured it out. I've been honing my voice ever since and It's been about 6-8 years now since I started. I smoke, I drink soda and do lots of unhealthy things that should affect my voice. But I can assure you, if you do unclean vocals correctly, it will not damage your vocal tract, or your true vocal folds at all. Practice, practice, practice!
While this is late, I think my favorite female vocalist right now is Tatiana Shmayluk from the band Jinjer. I personally recommend their live session of Pisces.
There are lot of great female singers in metal, but Adrienne Cowan is undoubtedly near the top of the list: incredible control, articulation, and stylistic and dramatic range. Seven Spires is essential listening if you like Broadway Metal (not a term but needs to be).
Hear screeching sounds too much like Dani Filth to be worth listening to really.
@@KnjazNazrathIt sounds very little like Dani Filth. It does sound almost exactly like the other of the two 'pop' extreme metal bands of that era, but the fact that you think she sounds almost like someone that sounds markedly different shows that you have very little frame of reference and completely lack the knowledge to speak with any authority on the subject
@@radicalstanza3614 I said "too much like", which is a personal qualifier. As far as knowledge and frames of reference go, I know my Fleurety from my B.S.o.D. thanks...
Cristina, thank for making this video, even if Metal isn't your type of music. It was very cool to watch your first attempts at harsh vocals, because I could definitely relate to the amount of times I've tried to do those vocals, and failed again and again. Now I can do those vocals to some extent, but that's because I haven't stopped trying. If anyone watching this video has tried harsh vocals, but you still haven't been successful yet.. DON'T GIVE UP! As long as you're taking good care of your voice, you just gotta keep on truckin'😏. You'll get there eventually.
My first attempt at harsh vocals was in 2018 when I could finally get into Dimmu Borgir, I was trying to sing along The Serpentine Offering, I quickly learnt how to produce the sounds since it's like not terribly high but it was really tiring and my breath control was shit.
5 years later, I can be in the crowd of a concert and growl/scream along during the entire thing AND not lose my voice the next day (my first couple concerts that wasn't the case, but I guess I managed to train myself endurance and clearer technique). Oh, and initially I was trying to do the highs with a false chord scream, didn't learn how to fry until I started pushing myself by actively attending concerts and just singing along in the crowd
@@ГеоргиПеев-й3ы Wow! I haven't been to any metal concerts, but I can see how that would be a great opportunity to practice using harsh vocals, fs. Keep it up, man!💯
Watch Chris Liepes free Videos, he explains it all so good, it helped me a lot
it still amazes me that modern day opera singers are just regular people outside the theater and not wearing 1800s fashion
So glad found this video. It's very interesting to see what comes naturally to the process as well as what is painful to the singers ears. Hope more people find the content.
Thanks for taking the time to comment! Glad you found it interesting :)
A couple things which might be useful:
-False cord and Fry scream are not actually good terms anymore, most screams are a combination between what was classicaly thought as false cord and fry scream.
-There are a bunch of variables for what makes a scream sound the way it does, but the most important are Air pressure(breath support basically), Constriction of the larynx(compression basically), distortion(which can come from the arytenoids, the false folds, the aryepiglottic folds, the epiglottis, etc) and phonation. Mess around with these variables while adjusting your technique to avoid pain and strain and you'll be great.
This is actually fantastic advice
Really good start :O The thing I would add for less strain, is moving the face muscles more for pronunciation and harmonics control ^^ In opera the face is a bit more relaxed to get those niiiice open vowels, engage the face more :B And your scream will sound stronger and more precise !
I loved the video
Thankyou! 🙏🏼
Adrienne Cowan had a classical training and she can do some really crazy things with her voice. You should listen to some Seven Spires songs.
This was so interesting and a great concept for a video!
Thank you for making it.
Thanks, so glad you enjoyed it!
Maybe it was recommended already, but I highly recommend "Operation Throat Camera" with The Charismatic Voice and Will Ramos. It's a fascinating internal view of the mechanics of this guys metal vocals!
Tatiana Shmayluk of Jinjer is literally the best female in the business when it comes to the harsh growl vocals. That girl will make the hairs on the back of your neck stand on end...especially live. I've been fortunate enough to see them perform live twice, and both times I was floored not only by her vicals,but by the band's perfection and sound quality over all. Better than studio
Pat Benetar was also classically trained as an opera singer, and she can absolutely wail.
This is a GREAT beginner tutorial and also funny as hell. I'm excited to continue and grow my vocal journey through videos like these!
Wow- effing-wee! 😮! That female singer who shared her growling secrets, broke it down into simple steps, and they were so easy to follow and understand. And what about vocal range, and switches, insane, 😮, she can hit some sustained notes! Thank you for this video, and the Simpsons interlude,😂.
I am a choral singer and recently learnd to do fry screams, and its easier than what she was doing. Tryin to do it from fry is not a good thing, it is easier for her who already posses an amazing support do it like a very harsh and noisy whisper. Take that head voice and transform it into a whisper. Great video, and she sings like an angel hahaahah
I'm an Opera singer and I GOT IT with the first dude!
What I've done is starting with a head voice, and taking off the chord when I started to add pressure and resonate at the top of the mouth, the second region if I'm not wrong. When you turn off the voice completely, you'll kill the fry. So you have to continue projecting as you're singing, when keeping the resonance high. But take care: the abuse of strenght may really hurt you vocal chords. You'll have to find a balance point at it. I've been trying this for a long time until I found this video, and got it clean today for the first time ever. Thank you for sharing.
That fry scream from the guy is harder. The grunt is easier, and I already sing it for a bit longer. The only thing you'll have to correct in yours (i guess) is turning off the vocal chords and use just the vestibular chords. Using the vocal chords to make grunt may be really harmful.
Thanks for the video, and good luck trying!
Dude! You’re amazing. Thank you for jumping into all this :D Very brave and you really nailed it.
I taught my HS sweetheart how to scream and it took her about 3 months to reach my level. taking her to concerts and shes screaming louder and better than those on stage ppl turning their heads, giving the horns, made me so proud... I hope where ever she is, she still does heavy metal vocals.
First of all: Great Video! When I started metal singing a few years ago I had a lot of trouble to learn it because no one was there to teach me screaming or growling.
But one thing might be also quite interesting: Adrienne is (especially in the last part) not only using screaming techniques, but also something called growling wich is indeed a bit different. That's why she sounds more like a demon in this part.
I'm a metal singer myself and right now I am studying music which means one of my subjects is classical singing. I loved that look upon your face when you first heard this sound XD 2 weeks ago I've been to the USA for a choir event and we did a version of "The circle of life" with 300 people and a liveorchestra and we needed a lion sound ... Everytime I did it everybody around me turned with the expression of surprise and confusion like you did in the video haha XD 1 week befor I did a cover of "Phantom of the opera (main theme)" with a friend of mine and I used metal techniques at the last part for the phantom to sound like the demon he is straight out of hell. Different location, same result. I just loved it! XD
Love that you guys showcased Adrienne. She’s a really cool down to earth person and her band is fantastic ambience music, especially when company is over. Been a fan of Adrienne and Sevenspires for years. Discovered em by accident, and stayed for the evolution of them. She is a berklee graduate so that in some ways helps. And yes she taught me to scream. Clean wise Ive kinda just figured it out on my own. It’s a never ending journey and with vocalists like Dickie Allen, Phil Bozeman, Howard Jones, Myles Kennedy, and Phil Labonte there’s a lot of inspiration and learning curves to take away from.
With your permission and if you're really interested in harsh vocals, I'm going to recommend the video made by a colleague of yours Elizabeth Zharoff from Charismatic voice channel.
It's a laryngoscopy of Lorna Shore vocalist Will Ramos doing harsh vocals. Spoiler alert, the scientists in the end are surprised by the health of Will's entire vocal system and the conclusion is that well executed, harsh vocals DO NOT DAMAGE the vocal cords.
Video here: ruclips.net/video/Ua8SuWNPrLE/видео.html
I was just about to suggest the same video!!!!
As a clarinetist, I do love opera. However, I am really taking a closer look at all those metal singers; they really nail it. That's pretty cool. Thanks for posting it, Cristina.
If you are interested in developing harsh vocals safely, check out Will Ramos, Elizabeth from The Charismatic Voice Channel (also an opera singer), and Chris Liepe's joint project about safe exercise and development of "screaming." Will had a throat scope on camera prior to this collab and his vocal folds were not damaged. The researchers actually found that his larynx sort of twists to make the sound. Highly recommend.
edit: You may have trouble getting the whole phrase in one breath because fry screams typically require less breath pressure and do not hammmm volume. You're coming at it with opera volume, so you'll have a hard time controlling it and will run out of breath to support the entire phrase.
Differences between the two examples you saw is where they let the scream sit in their throat. Lower screams sit lower in the throat. The first guys screams are up higher in the throat and much more dangerous. If it feels like you're trying to clear phlegm out of your throat without coughing, you're pretty close. Another thing that will add to the sound is remembering that screaming is used as an expression of anger, frustration. Bring that into it, flare the nostrils, and let it tighten up the soft pallet. The tongue is also pulled back as far as it can naturally go.
FANTASTIC !!! found this by accident :-) So cool when skilled vocalist react to these harsh vocals. Soon I guess you will be supprised by jinger or lorna shore :-D
Adrian is legend. Everything she does is absolutely perfection.
I hope you show her the band Jinjer! She is PHENOMENAL. And goes back and forth between healthy singing, to screams. Show her the song "Judgement".
I was so happy/confused to find Eugene Teo in this vid. One of my favorite fitness youtubers. Feel like my music and fitness world just collided into a weird limbo.
Tatiana from Jinjer is the best at this. Vortex, Perennial, Teacher Teacher, Who is Gonna Be the One are good things to check out. Their live videos show just how impressive she/they are.
I'm so glad I found you guys, because, I felt like her all the times I watch about screams... Kisses from BRAZIL
It is always interesting to see people approach a barrier they never crossed and how stressful and scary it initially is. Most will actually step back ...
LOL the way 14:00 had you both shook was just beautiful. Youre both so adorable. Love to see it. ❤
You need to watch the video of Lorna Shore's Will Ramos with the Camera down his throat, recording his vocal folds live. Incredible capture of his vocal capacity. It's truly amazing.
Also, Tatiana of Jinjer, watch their song Pisces❤
Adrienne impressed the heck out of me! Tati Shmayluk from Jinger is another vocalist you might want to check out. They're pretty freaking awesome!
I enjoyed this video so much! Cristina is so smart, educated and funny!
I also love this singer thats with Igorrr, she switches from opera to metal scream in one breath. gives me the chills
You guys have to check out her "The Serpentine Offering" cover, the harsh vocals are amazing
Loved the entire video, including the fact that he's holding a Tim Henson Signature TOD10N. Long live Polyphia!
Hello; You need check the most beautiful and power voice of the Queen of Metal; Mrs. FLOOR JANSEN; She can sing all generes of music. She is the singer of the most popular band of synphonic-metal; called Nightwish (2012-today). Greetings from Argentina🤘😉
Floor is a goddess, but I haven't heard her do a typical metal scream...
Also, the _Queen_ of Metal is still Doro 🤘😎
First off andy is a monster of a vocalist. His work with Monuments is top notch to me and their new album was my most listened to album of 2022. Secondly it's cool to see classical singers appreciate screaming and fried vocals
It definitely doesn't hurt, and when you get it out and you perfect it it sounds awesome and actually feels satisfying to do. You know you're doing it right when you can keep your voice out of it completely and add it in slowly and pull it back out without much change in distortion, and can flip between clean singing and screaming easily. It's hard to get down but once you do its easy to learn the other techniques there are and add things onto it. Andy cizek explained it well, but only for people who already know how to do it. If you don't have any idea on how to do it, that doesn't help much. It's easier to understand false chord as your first scream imo, and that's what I started with, and I've just moved into fry's recently (a year or so) and blended scream singing. They all feel similar but with slightly different placement. I feel like false chord is easier to understand right off the bat because most people already have a frame of reference on what the exasperated sigh feels like and can easily manipulate it once it's been explained in that way. An exasperated sigh already has distortion and projection and just needs to be manipulated with duration and mouth shape, where as not many people have a guage of what it feels like to add projection on that fry feeling, so it's easier to learn once you've practiced for a long time and have learned how to project a sound without your voice being where the sound comes from
Yeah metal screams are safe to do as long as you are careful in building the technique up and not skip steps. Its very easy to hurt your voice if you press to hard or compress to quick, but yeah no it is safe if you are careful. Also a great note, classsical training and technique really helps to do the vocals, especially correctly. Adding the volume is the same as belting, you add more air and add more space but you dont add any pressure in your throat, which is where people destroy their voices with screams is they add pressure to the throat. Great video!
Something to note, at least from what I’ve come to learn, that with false cords growls (which is the second technique you tried and most common place to start with harsh vocals) the scratchy feeling actually isn’t a particularly bad thing. Now before I dig myself too deep, that doesn’t mean continue even if it hurts. You’re vocal chords themselves don’t have pain receptors so the feeling is essentially your false folds building a tolerance to the stress being put on them in situations outside of their natural purpose (coughing, gagging, vomiting, etc.).
Mad respect for having Adrienne Cowan on here. Seven Spires is an amazing band
Hi Cristina! About the 'vocal destroying' feelings you had, please watch a fellow opera singer, Elizabeth aka The Charismatic voice's video with Will Ramos, a deathcore vocalist. They put a camera down his throat :)
extreme vocal institute is really good when it comes to understanding screams etc
I don't know if you found it, but Malinda (of As sung by Google Translate fame) did much the same, but meeting up with a metal singer, and it felt like they went into a decent amount of detail talking about their different singing styles. Obviously, there may well have been more to the videos that you used than you showed in this for sake of time, but it might be an interesting one to look up. It's titled "Metal and opera singer give each other a voice lesson" if it's of interest to you.
thats the best analogy for that. the running, the feet hurt, but overall they heal and are stronger for it. ease into fry screams but once you find your register, dont be shy. your chords arent as fragile as they seem. dont be afraid to push it, but like any kind of singing, stop if theres any pain.
I know Im late to the vid, but I'd love to see her reaction to In Between, by In This Moment. The way that song flows between the harsh vocals and her clean voice was astounding.
Amazing Patty and Selma work. Brings me back to my childhood and you slipped into that so easily.
Adrienne is my favourite female vocal, but she can sometimes struggle with breath control during clean low notes. Another favourite is Vicky Psarakis, whose cleans I like more and she improved her scream and growls over time greatly.
I don’t know how I ended up here. But truth be told I’m so glad. I enjoyed this way more than I expected 😂 kudos and praise to all singers! From opera to screaming. I’m a fan of both and everything in between. ❤😊
Jinjer is definitely another band you should check out - frontwoman is Tatiana Shmayluk . I think you would particularly like Judgment and Punishment One Take Vocal performance. She has some of the deepest female growls I have heard and has an amazing singing voice as well, switching on the fly consistently.
Edit - spelling her last name....
I just scrolled down here to say exact this! Jinjer needs to happen. She also explained her technique in an interview that you can find on here. She's a vocal monster and by far the best female metal vocalist I have ever heard.
Always happy to see fellow Aussies on RUclips.
This was awesome and hilarious.
Adrienne Cowan is my favourite female musician. Her stage presence is amazing.
If you want to hear someone explain it in proper musical terms with realistic practice tips who will also understand that it is confusing and won’t just do it expecting you to understand, i recommend looking at Chris Liepe’s videos on the subject. he has a series on it and some of the videos even feature Will Ramos from Lorna Shore. They break down the techniques more and tell you what you’re doing and how to practice without hurting yourself. it’s so much easier to understand.
It's always great when traditional trained clean vocalists try and give harsh vocals a go and appreciate the talent and control required.
You have got a lovely soprano voice
You don’t have to scream in order to join the Metal genre.
We need more soprano singers in the Symphonic Metal industry, they are just not many currently.
I love Tarja
I love Floor Jansen and Nightwish
I love Simone Simons
I love Dianne van Giersbergen
I love Lori Lewis
I love Martina Astner
Hopefully, one day will see your name in the Metal Genre.
sharon den adel from within temptation is my personal fav
@@punkbjork I like her songs too especially the song Faster. The internet says her band is symphonic metal band however most of her songs aren't sang in soprano that's why I leave her band out on my list above.
@@vJaxz you should check out their earlier albums, some of the best gothic metal i have ever heard. if you like that song, check out the rest of the album "the unforgiving", for me that track doesn't even stand out as among the best. around the middle and end it really takes off. if u want to hear the kind of heavy symphonic metal with soprano vocals like the bands you listed, listen to everything released before that album, which is quite pop rock by comparison. "the heart of everything" (aside from maybe the second track, but again, takes off more after the beginning) is near musical perfection, closely followed by their sophomore "the silent force". (nothing else in their discography is worth listening to, aside from their debut "enter"; don't go any further or you will face immense disappointment. their latest releases are unrecognizable.)
@@punkbjork Thanks, I would also check out Martina Astner, she is a forgotten angel..
Tarja is God tier ♥
Adrienne is the BEST, you just react to one of the best growl of female metal voices
La guitarra de Tim Henson no ha pasado desapercibida ❤👌
This shows that vocal fry is an art....as much as opera. There is no higher or lower....just different unique forms of vocal expression
Great video. If you want proof that screaming (done properly) need not damage your voice you should check out Nightwish - Yours is an Empty Hope (eg Wembley version) but I suggest you first watch Nightwish - Ghost Love Score (Wacken 2013) if you are not already familiar with their lead singer - Floor Jansen. The Ghost Love Score song showcases a remarkably versatile, many-coloured voice that would certainly not be worth risking if screaming were too risky to attempt. As a third song, you might consider listening to Floor singing Vilja Lied in a more operatic style on the Beste Zangers show (recorded after the tour where ,Yours is an Empty Hope was routinely performed) as proof that pure delicate vocals can survive a fry up!
If she is going the Floor route: Revamp - Disdain would be a masterclass
I'd also recommend checking out Floor Jansen with her previous band doing death metal growls, classical singing and operatic voice in the same song (unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be higher quality live recording of this performance but this should give pretty good idea what Floor could do already a decade ago):
Revamp: Misery's no Crime. @ Mezz Breda 17-01-2014
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Wasn't expecting Eugene Teo when I clicked on a video for metal singing. Now I need surprise metal in my weightlifting videos
If she wasn’t to see the craziest extremes of both vocal styles taught in this video in Fry and False Cord, check out Dickie Allen from Infant Annihilator (Fry) and Will Ramos from Lorna Shore (False Cord). Two amazing vocalists who are extremely talented at their root distortion and all the techniques encompassed in them.
Will's high fries are also insane, I'd probably say his highs are even better than previous Lorna vocalists' so I wouldn't attribute him to a false chord example
@@ГеоргиПеев-й3ы You are right, though his lows are typically done using False, though that is confusing and I probably could pick a better example. Like Chris Boseman of Whitechapel or Ben Duerr of Shadow of Intent.
Adrienne gave me full body goosebumps screaming in "All I Ask of You."
So you should like Spiritbox. I would recommend the one take vocal performance of Circle With Me. Very good song and extremely good performance.
It was really fun watching this comparison.thank you.
This is the first time I've heard you guys and I enjoyed it! Very fun! But if you could entertain a little criticism, I found the volume levels between you guys and your "vocal coaches" to be too large - I had to turn the vol up to hear the coaches and turn the vol down when you guys started to speak. Other than that - GREAT and informative!
Thanks for the feedback- super helpful :)
@@cristinamrusso Britney Slayes from Unleash the Archers is opera trained and a power metal vocalist
the song that Addrienne is singing is "All I Ask of You" from Phantom of the Opera. The singing part is Christine and the screaming part is the Phantom
Oh man....fully empaphise with the notion that your muscle memory can make it hard to sing/play baddly even if you wanted too and its actually an art in of itself to deliberatly sound bad on an instrument you've mastered lol
Adrienne, dubbed Wilma Ramos. Saw them live recently, and the whole crowd was super impressed by her vocals. solid stuff.
You should listen to some Jinjer. Tatiana can sing and growl on and off.
Christina,
If your voice teachers watch this they will die! ALL that work for so long, just gone!!!! Good job you two! This is FUN!!!! Thank both of YOU!!!!
"That's gonna sound like *unintelligible dinosaur noises*" lol!
As others said there is one singer who is really a champion of combining voice techniques with an unparalleled versatility. Here is an example of her combining deep "death growls" and powerfull operatic head voice even in the same sentence (alas it is a fan phone recording so the sound quality is not great, but still the performance is STUNNING.
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You guys picked a great video. This is one of the videos I watch back every now and again because it's so funny.
First time checking out your channel. Adrienne Cowan was amazing!! Her way of explaining it made more sense to me as well.
It seems quite difficult to get your voice to do that and I’m surprised if they have a voice left after an hour.
You both trying to do it was so funny. At one point Cristina sounded a bit like a fax machine. Lol.
Props for trying it online! 👍
I hope to see more fun videos in the future! 😊
As a lyrical singer, this was so fun to see! Made my day 😊
Andy Cizek is a blessing
OMG, that was GREAT! Very illuminating and educational! 💜
Adrienne's video helped me learn how to scream 😄 the sigh thing was a really good way for me to figure it out.