"Ma'am I backstabbed someone who thought he finally found one he could trust and left him to die, but now he is undead and a ringwraith also because of my blundering mistake and now I don't want to kill him because either I feel bad and cannot face him without shame or because I know he'll absolutely kick my ass and destroy my brain. Can I come home now?"
@@siegebreaker4120even if they do break them, recruit them, let them die, resurrect, and you have yourself an eternal follower that won’t betray you only downside is that they will be weaker to fire
That's cause they're honest, you know they'll betray you if they get a better deal, and they know you'll kill them if you feel like they might betray you, it's mutual
I'm pretty sure in the cutscene where Talion finally becomes a Nazgul the Witch King even comes to him to say it's done, while welcoming him to their ranks. Maybe I'm projecting, but I always kinda saw it as the Witch King deep down having some respect for Talion for how he was able to keep fighting to stay himself for so long.
@@TheCrimsonRevengerIts funny, at the time I just assumed Isildur’s ring was that much “weaker” compared the new ring. Thinking about it now, there’s no way she would’ve become well assimilated with the ring’s power that fast to be able to beat Talion who could’ve possibly became the new Sauron.
She created a situation that only didn't explode out of control because the man she betrayed and left for dead after falling for the temptation of a ring and the Brightlord(every bit as bad as falling to the darklord) knowingly chose to doom himself to inevitable corruption of his soul so he could act as the only thing to keep saurons forces in mordor not to mention in the act she basically dishonored her predecessors and others who sacrificed themselves to do what Galion is trying to
Why wouldn’t she be? This was the same hubris that destroyed the elves in the first age. To seek for such power was always such folly, to brazenly challenge the Dark Lord be it Morgoth or Sauron was never going to end well.
@@rustkarl Oh yeah! It's great writing on that particular regard, I love it. Galadriel just has this "You're lucky I'm letting you come home *at all.*" energy to her that is well earned.
Find it funny how Galadriel is a side minor character in shadow of war and this game isn’t trying to be a faithful depiction of tolkiens work yet they got her character much more accurate than rings of power Galadriel
That just goes to show how much Monolith actually cared about Tolkien's works. They did an original story correctly before Rings of Power was even conceived.
@UnknownAlien475 hard to say monolith cared about the lore when they messed up who the nazgul were, and tried to shove an orc civil war in just before the hobbit
Now look at the end of the main Story. Talion, who fighted the endless armies of orks of the Dark Lord for... years (?), have been betrayed and killed by the only 2 beings on Earth that he could trust. Backstabbed just for an opportunity to have power. "Light elves are perfect". Then Talion ALONE resisted the dark urge of Isildur's ring for decades with HIS WILL ONLY, just to fight the dark and protect the light, and he fighted for decades. True hero. He didn't betray anyone, he didn't change his goals. The elf whose power is light, is always ready to use and betray. Galadriel, who is "the goddess of light", is always ready to kill the only one who resists the armies of the dark and actually defends the people. Because last time the betrayal wasn't complete. That is disgusting.
Good thing this isn't exactly lore-accurate. Now, Galadriel's uncle Feanor, ironically, HE knows how to perform a betrayal (*cough*, kinslaying at Alqualonde).
As someone who read the Silmarillion, we KNOW why Dwarves hate Elves, and the Dwarves actually started it. Some Dwarven-smiths from Belegost were commissioned to make a great necklace into which the Silmaril Beren and Luthien successfully recovered from Morgoth would be set. But once they laid eyes on said Silmaril, the Dwarves immediately succumbed to greed and tried to take it, killing the Elf-king Elu Thingol in the process. Two of them escaped the ensuing retaliation, then lied to the rest of the Dwarves about what really happened, which started a war that led to the destruction of that particular Elf kingdom. So the blood feud between Elves and Dwarves was all caused by the curse of the Silmarils.
I always found her last few lines to Talion to be very ironic. Right before he TRULY became a Nazgûl, she had the gall to tell him: “You are not alone.” Yeah, he had so much company with one half of the people that betrayed him.
To add onto that he used the ring he too from the nazgul for canonical 50 years. He held back the army’s of the dark lord alone for 50 year and she had the Gaul to say he wasn’t-alone. It’s the mere fact he withstood the influence of that ring for so long combined with the fact he held back the forces of darkness all on his own
It was at this moment where her immortality becomes a curse. She’ll have to live for eternity with the consequences of her actions. The guilt of her betrayal will haunt her. It’s especially more painful for her after seeing his past.
All the means for her goals but being stuck with Cerembribor is much worse as he is no longer the same elf he was and the guilt is more of a burden Eltarion had to carry.
On the plus side, the silver lining is that Talion eventually was freed of the Ringwraiths' control and got to reunite with his family in paradise. Definitely really fucked up what Eltariel and Celebrimbor did to him though.
Galadriel must've known that Talion was the only one strong enough to resist both the Nazgul ring AND Celebrimbor's new ring. That not only could he have held the gates to protect Middle Earth far longer but could've potentially stopped Sauron for good. Yet it was the stupidity of her own servant and her blind desire to finish the fight quickly that lead to the defense against Mordor to eventually crumble and their greatest champion falling to darkness. Galadriel may look kind but when she gets mad, she is ANYTHING but.
@@white0thunderwhite0thunder71 I dont even know why Galadriel sent Eltariel in the first place. But i cant even stand her after she betrayed Talion. But tbf it wasnt just her, it was also Celebrimbor that betrayed Talion, and thats even worse since Talion and Celebrimbor were partners in all of this. If Celebrimbor didnt betray Talion and Eltariel was a bit wiser then Sauron wouldve been defeated.
Celebrimbor I saw coming, over the course of the story. Eltariel surprised me, because she spent the story distrustful of Celebrimbor, only to side with him in the end. For something that Talion did, not Celebrimbor. Talion is the one who released Isildur from his slavery. Celebrimbor wanted to enslave everyone.
Celebrimbor was showing his disgust with talión through out the game due to their various disagreements, but her, I hated it and it pissed me off, all game she’s dragging the rings and the duo, just to side with celebrimbor at the end
My only argument, is that the elves have been fighting the Dark Lords for thousands of years and Sauron has inflicted massive suffering that plenty of elves lived through. That shared suffering and the opportunity to have vengeance and destroy the one who inflicted it is a poweful motivator and the cost would be the life of one human that the rest of mankind has already written off as dead. It must of seemed like a small price to pay. It's a crappy rationale, but it exists.
@@musicninja98 I guess I can see that. It just doesn't come off that way in the game. It's a very poorly written or thought out swerve from "I don't trust you or your ring." to "Oh you did a thing. I'm totally on board now."
So Eltariel's thought process in this was ''This guy has been fighting almost the entirety of Mordor for years and WINNING... I should betray him and take his life support ring''
At first i thought this was pretty much a gut punch with how they wrote Eltariel the way they did. But when you think about it, this scene tells you why she just changed her mind after seeing Talion taking Isildur from Sauron's hold. She was tired and really wanted her mission to just end once and for all, being sent time and again to Mordor to fight the Nazguls until she dies like other assassins sent before her. Her taking the Ring wasn't bad writing, she genuinely saw hope and an end to her endless mission, and after she saw how Celebrimbor couldn't fulfil that promise she just broke and begged Galadriel to let her go home because then she realized that the mission was hopeless All of that struck her even worse when she saw the life of Talion and realized she sacrificed what might be the most noble soul she ever saw, and not only she sacrificed him for nothing, but she has also condemned him to be Nazgul all because she fell for the false promise of an end to her mission
@@Mendoza-yi6qk well his plan would have worked had he not thrown Talion under the bus, because HE would have won the fight out of his sheer determination to defeat Sauron. I think the reason Celebrimbor failed without Talion is because he overestimated himself, while Talion would make no compromises when breaking the dark lord. Or maybe it was the bond the 2 of them share that allowed Talion to make the most out of the Ring's power. The bond Eltariel did not have
Funny enough that’s how Talion started at the beginning of act two in the first game he wanted to die and be with his family cause he noticed his fight with Sauron’s forces were never ending and that moment happened again two times is shadow of war. Only Calebrimbor didn’t want to relinquish his body cause he lied about giving up his body throughout half the game
"So you drove a man capable of fighting sauron back to his side and failed to kill either? Get back in there and cl3an up ur mess" is what i feel like shes implying
Let's not forget she took the ring from Talion and pretty much forced him to take up another ring leading him to become a Nazgal. Sooooooooo, yeh her fault.
Not only that. She did so after he killed iseildor who was a nazgul. He legit did her job a bit but out of respect for the man he killed and she got bent about it. Lel
pretty much betrayed the MC and it ended up in the MC becoming a nazgul, when she was sent to middle-earth to kill nazguls. she failed to realize that by betraying the MC, she was just giving more power to not someone who would kill sauron, but replace him and change nothing. Dark lord, bright lord, it's all the same. The MC realized this as well and that's why they betrayed him and left him to die.
Man, I wish Talion was able to kill her and Celebrimbor for their betrayal. That would have brought a lot more closure for Talion in the end. Instead they just killed him off with a volcanic rock falling on him while he was riding a Drake. Smh. They did Talion soooo wrong.
@@Rtplb if you can remove the ring from their finger then you can release them and yes you can kill them technically it's only the witchking that can't be killed
I feel like gladriel was watching etheriel and talion and the bright lord in mordor. Impressed at talion at bow well hes keeping up his will and spirit, kaybe even thinking that he could hold back against sauron, only to see her iwn servent kill him and take his ring fareanor style as talion turn nazgul. Shes just screaming "bitch i told you to kill the nazgul not make an powered up version!!"
I honestly have no contention with elves.....but eltariel and galadriel here make me wish that Pelinal Whitestrake existed here if only to see the carnage that he would ensure if he found about Talion....Oh it would be glorious.
Hey, *you're* the one who gave Eltariel the task of killing the Nazgul- *a task that is literally unfulfillable except for in the case of the Witch-King so long as Sauron lives*- Galadriel. What happened to Talion is as much *your* fault as Eltariel's and Celebrimbor's.
i dont think she was meant to KILL the nazgul, per say. She was just sent to keep them at bay, and to prevent them from completing their missions and assignments. more of a "damage control" assignment, and being a thorn in their side
She knows she can only hold them off, that's why you got 5 other assassins sent before Eltariel and all of them died in Mordor. Even Eltariel knows it's an endless mission
In this game, if there is someone who I cant forgive its eltariel and celebrimbor for deceiving Talion, a pure heart soul, who for the well being of others, continued to fight till his last breathe.
Did you see the way Galadriel's eyes glow blue really intensely? What if this was a vision from Celebrimbor to try to get her to finish his work. It would explain why Galadriel sounded so OOC and aggressive about making sure Talion was rid of for good and to get the new ring back.
He wouldn't be able to do shit to her considering he's just a wraith to one of the most ancient and powerful elves in Middle Earth. She just wanted Eltariel to do her job and get out
I mean fuck dude. The ring wraiths were more trust worthy than those fucking elves dude. Witch king walked up and put tender hand on his shoulder and just said “come on brother, lets mog middle earth”
Notice how not only she doesn't show any regret for taking the ring and letting Talion to die, but also when Galadriel tells her she has to fight him, she says she can not... but not because of regret or not wanting to fight an old friend, she's just tired of being in Mordor and wants to return to Lothlorien. She doesn't give an F about Talion
Fandom yet has to realize that she doesn't give an F about Talion on any stage of the game. She is just doing her job, and Talion was a pretty useful tool for a limited time, because at this moment she only cares about finishing her mission, some random human doesn't matter. She will always be the B anyway.
What’s crazy was that she was there for the Nazgûl’s not even for the Dark Lord. Talion got cheated out of living/Dying cause Calebrimbor enticed her with power for his greed to overtake the dark lord which again wasn’t even her mission!
She didn’t even win, she just survived Talion. Which is even worse because it’s one of those fights you win gameplay wise, yet the story/ cutscene right after tells you, your character lost very easily.
Judging by the way galadriel spoke in this cutscene, she was very thoroughly unimpressed with the events that led up to this conversation, seeing how well written talion's story is, I highly doubt the very particular word choice by galadriel Is accidental, It is on purpose and it's the writers trying to convey borderline rage without voices being raised too much
Okay side note. Obviously this isn’t canon but that line “I took the ring and left him to die” doesn’t sound like a hero or anything of the sort. I haven’t never heard Aragorn or Sam or anyone say that about a character that was still good. Frodo wanted to kill gollum for his part with Bilbo but in the end he wanted to save him from himself instead. But this bitch is like “yeah he wasn’t evil or anything but I took the only thing that could keep him alive and just left him to die because reasons”. I would trust Lurtz or the Witch King with my life before her.
This was done SOOOO much better than in the new Rings of Power series. The ethereal being viewpoint from the hobbits in the Lord Of The Rings movies was diminished between the talks of elves here. It clearly highlights how even elves have emotions. They are clearly not just the "good" side. Just another selfinterested race among others that just live a lot longer.
@@gghs9162 Yeah started question the game a little with second ring but was like ok maybe I can exucse that if it's less powerfull and get's destroyed. Nope Then also having Shelob as like a apperance of a hot lady, really? Then the "first wtf" came up with helm hammerhand being Nazgul. Then when I lost my cool was Isildur being a Nazgul. Then the other DLC's just make's it worse XD
the Bright Lord seems even worse than Sauron. Imagine if he'd won, Mordor would fall to him, armies of orcs sweeping over Middle Earth and lay it to ruin...just as Shelob had foreseen.
you can tell Galadriel it mad and disgust what Eltariel did, and she make her put him down cause it her all her fault, she betray a good warrior who they could used to fight the evil lord and now he with the dark lord cause of her dumbass decide, and she make her pay for it
Galadriel seemed like that kind but stern grandmother in LotR, and Letharael pissed her off. If that doesn't tell you how bad you @#$%ed up I donno what to tell you
Galadriel betrayed Talion. He is essentially the true son of Gondor, he returned from the other world to take revenge for the murder of his brother and wife, for Gondor. He met her and trusted her so that by the end she would put a knife in his back. Therefore, Eltariel looks at her with contempt; because of her, Talion, despite not even trying to do so, fell into the hands of the Nazgul. Although in my playthrough, Talion killed all the Nazgul and went to his wife
@@alexursus4719 What I remember is he lost his wife and son at the wall, then met someone who was like a brother in the 1st game whom he helped to free slaves.
Yes, lost wife and son. The other dude was not his brother, but used to be a fellow ranger guarding the black gate, but left his guard duty behind prior to the game. (Not sure what the correct term is) But he didn’t die, at least we don’t know. Last time seeing him was when Talion advised them to get out of Mordor, before facing the hammer
probably not the greatest idea in general but if Galadriel commanded Eltariel to deliver the ring to her than she could probably come close to something similar she described to Frodo If she took the One, Although in this case the New Ring wouldn’t be as liable to corrupt her as much seeing as it doesn’t derive from Saurons Influence And already wearing One Of the three elven rings of Power she could’ve been unstoppable, but seeing as Celebrimbor was already corrupted and his ring blinded him even more to power its arguable that she would end up just as bad; but perhaps not? I’d love to hear other ppls thoughts on this subject.
@@Jedimeister17 Yeah the comment is about if she wielded her ring Nenya alongside the One ring, how powerful/unstoppable she could potentially be wielding two of the greatest rings of power
Eltarial was so hated after this moment, I wouldnt pass it that she is also the main reason we didnt get a third game. In whcih Eltariel has to hunt Celebrimbor who is teying to become the NEW Dark Lord.
It be funny, if that wasn’t even Galadriel but Celebrimbor pretending to be Galadriel. Tell Eltariel to take my Ring kill the only thing that still against me. Talion that is holding back the darkness by himself for many years. So I can return to almost full power once again also I can search for the one ring to rule them all.
while i enjoyed the different ways to fight uruks, i know for a fact that MY talon would kick the shit out of eltariel no matter how strong i make her why? cause one, i play on nemesis difficulty(i know its not the hardest mode) and two, with how i built my talon, he would end her, easy im actually disappointed that we couldnt fight talon based on the skills we picked and gear we used
The bonus skins in the game still kinda suck the celebrimbor one is good and having ones for the dlc's isnt bad but how hard would it have been to bring back dark ranger and black hand skins and preferably do what so many people wanted and add saurons armor as a skin
Always hated the ending to this damn game. They did Talion so dirty for fucking NOTHING. Well that and the nonsensical bullshit they pulled with Shelob. That was a thing for some reason.
They could’ve used some other seer character, hell give Talion some out of nowhere visions of the future. Instead they turned an intimidating ass spider into a woman of the night who just so happened to be Sauron’s ex.
I think there was an implication that both Talion wouldn’t have taken it and Eltariel thought he wouldn’t take it. Plus there is a chance the ring was very slowly corrupting Eltariel, so she might not have been able to give it up by then
@@richardwilliams3080 those are good points however I'm pretty sure elves are very hard to corrupt over a short time frame and I believe she's only had the ring for a few years
I don't like how Galadriel has zero thoughts on Elteriel creating another Nazgul, The ring fullt betrayed Isildur. That would have made Sauron be one Nazgul down permanently or how she wants Eltariel to wear the ring just doesn't feel right for her.
I bought both games together a couple years ago. I enjoyed Shadow of Mordor a lot. And then I learned what Eltariel did before I could get into Shadow of War. And, honestly, I just can't. Honestly disgusting writng on the dev's part. For me, just knowing about the DLC taints Shadow of War enough that I won't give it a chance.
Ok I know everyoje is talking about how Talion would've destoryed lithareal but can we just talk for a koment about what could've been such a cool sequel? I mean, we all know Zog right? Hes a necromancer, Talions tecnacly a necromancer....we could've teemed up with zog to build an even bigger army and take our evenge on Celibrembor. All the while we try to maintane this uneasy alliance (but better than Talion and Celebrenmbor's) and while Talion is still trying to resist Isildur's ring's influence. I mean, come on, you gotta admit it would be cool.
I got this game years ago. Stopped playing around 80% completion. I lacked interest defending all the cities after becoming a nazgulto 100% the game. I liked it on the whole because I liked the game play and I can distance myself from canon lore on these things for the most part. That allowed the very non-canon lore of this game to sit where it does. Thinking about it now, the character of Talion fits the same space that Starkiller does in Star Wars. Both are there to offer the negative side of "What if?" to the known hero characters (Aragorn here, and Luke in Star Wars). In the case of Starkiller, it was the intent of the game to show what Vader would have done if Luke joined the dark side, presumably at the end of Empire, as I understand it. If I am wrong in that, then I'm sure I will find out in replies. I don't know if there has been an interview with devs for this game where it was a similar situation to make a complete apples to apples correlation. Maybe one influenced the other.
At the end of the day, these games exist for the sake of having fun. Starkiller exists because it was a damn good idea to make a game where you could experience the full power of the force and play around with the dark side. You’re right; the same is true here. “What if you could be a man with the powers of a wraith?” You have a lot of freakin fun, that’s what. People who complain about the lore forget what the whole point of the game is.
@@LornFortheForlorn so Sauron demoted the witch king first, and than granted the title to (let’s say) Talion? No, as witch king is in fact not a title, but the only (namewise) remains of Sauron’s servant that used to rule over angmar and almost managed to conquer the whole north west of middle earth
Игры
Still won't forgive her for that
I won't forgive she won.
I'm about to start this dlc :(
I don't think she can forgive herself.
Me too
How could you i see no regret here, she just want to go home
"Ma'am I backstabbed someone who thought he finally found one he could trust and left him to die, but now he is undead and a ringwraith also because of my blundering mistake and now I don't want to kill him because either I feel bad and cannot face him without shame or because I know he'll absolutely kick my ass and destroy my brain. Can I come home now?"
I don't know if I should laugh or cry
yeah she had sum giant plot armor Talon would’ve destroyed her
😂
Honestly, he would wreck her
@@Ray_Cismcanonicaly Talion would've won against Sauron while she lost. He must've let her win
The fact that I trust my orcs more than I trust her should say something.
Cause the orcs won't betray the people that help them (sometimes)
@@siegebreaker4120even if they do break them, recruit them, let them die, resurrect, and you have yourself an eternal follower that won’t betray you only downside is that they will be weaker to fire
Fucking hate elves fr
That's cause they're honest, you know they'll betray you if they get a better deal, and they know you'll kill them if you feel like they might betray you, it's mutual
Talion is better off with the Nazguls. They wouldn't betray him.
Why is that incredibly sad😂
I MEAN, they wanted him all along, why would they betray him in the first place?
Towards the end they all worshipped him cause he chose too be the new power he is now
When turning evil makes sense
I'm pretty sure in the cutscene where Talion finally becomes a Nazgul the Witch King even comes to him to say it's done, while welcoming him to their ranks.
Maybe I'm projecting, but I always kinda saw it as the Witch King deep down having some respect for Talion for how he was able to keep fighting to stay himself for so long.
Talion will always remain my favorite character. It’s sad that we had to fight him
Twice.
The fight was good, but the banishing/killing/whatever it was, was the sad part
I would’ve rather have fought Eltariel
@@ZombieN8YT Same
@@noahgraff-uw8rs But if he won, Eltariel couldn't show us all what an ultimate girlboss she is.
@@TheCrimsonRevengerIts funny, at the time I just assumed Isildur’s ring was that much “weaker” compared the new ring. Thinking about it now, there’s no way she would’ve become well assimilated with the ring’s power that fast to be able to beat Talion who could’ve possibly became the new Sauron.
Real talk, Galadriel is talking like she's *disgusted* with Eltariel.
Like- she's so angry.
She created a situation that only didn't explode out of control because the man she betrayed and left for dead after falling for the temptation of a ring and the Brightlord(every bit as bad as falling to the darklord) knowingly chose to doom himself to inevitable corruption of his soul so he could act as the only thing to keep saurons forces in mordor not to mention in the act she basically dishonored her predecessors and others who sacrificed themselves to do what Galion is trying to
Why wouldn’t she be?
This was the same hubris that destroyed the elves in the first age.
To seek for such power was always such folly, to brazenly challenge the Dark Lord be it Morgoth or Sauron was never going to end well.
she is lol she knows what happen this bish betray a good man and a true soldier
@@rustkarl Oh yeah! It's great writing on that particular regard, I love it.
Galadriel just has this "You're lucky I'm letting you come home *at all.*" energy to her that is well earned.
It's not so deep. Mission is not finished that's all.
Find it funny how Galadriel is a side minor character in shadow of war and this game isn’t trying to be a faithful depiction of tolkiens work yet they got her character much more accurate than rings of power Galadriel
That just goes to show how much Monolith actually cared about Tolkien's works. They did an original story correctly before Rings of Power was even conceived.
Rings of Power Guyladriel, you mean.
@UnknownAlien475 hard to say monolith cared about the lore when they messed up who the nazgul were, and tried to shove an orc civil war in just before the hobbit
@molsy1768 There were a lot of mistakes, yeah. But at least they cared about making it good, and respecting Tolkien. Rings of Power did not.
That's because Rings of Power was made by wankers.
"Bright lord, Dark lord, same thing really!" A god-damn orc realised it yet, here is Eltariel...
Now look at the end of the main Story. Talion, who fighted the endless armies of orks of the Dark Lord for... years (?), have been betrayed and killed by the only 2 beings on Earth that he could trust. Backstabbed just for an opportunity to have power. "Light elves are perfect".
Then Talion ALONE resisted the dark urge of Isildur's ring for decades with HIS WILL ONLY, just to fight the dark and protect the light, and he fighted for decades. True hero. He didn't betray anyone, he didn't change his goals.
The elf whose power is light, is always ready to use and betray. Galadriel, who is "the goddess of light", is always ready to kill the only one who resists the armies of the dark and actually defends the people. Because last time the betrayal wasn't complete. That is disgusting.
Elf nature, I guess.
Bull’s-eye!
Good thing this isn't exactly lore-accurate. Now, Galadriel's uncle Feanor, ironically, HE knows how to perform a betrayal (*cough*, kinslaying at Alqualonde).
"In place of the Dark Lord, you will set up a QUEEN"
Cant spell selfish without elf
And you wonder why Dwarves hate elves.
As someone who really likes elder scrolls lore: No, I really don’t.
@@zeche8477 Talking Lord of the Rings lore of Elves and Dwarves.
@@barrycopithorne as a 40k fan: *i'm one with the dwarves*
@@chaeminkim5914 Love them! :D
As someone who read the Silmarillion, we KNOW why Dwarves hate Elves, and the Dwarves actually started it. Some Dwarven-smiths from Belegost were commissioned to make a great necklace into which the Silmaril Beren and Luthien successfully recovered from Morgoth would be set. But once they laid eyes on said Silmaril, the Dwarves immediately succumbed to greed and tried to take it, killing the Elf-king Elu Thingol in the process. Two of them escaped the ensuing retaliation, then lied to the rest of the Dwarves about what really happened, which started a war that led to the destruction of that particular Elf kingdom. So the blood feud between Elves and Dwarves was all caused by the curse of the Silmarils.
I always found her last few lines to Talion to be very ironic. Right before he TRULY became a Nazgûl, she had the gall to tell him: “You are not alone.” Yeah, he had so much company with one half of the people that betrayed him.
Can never trust the sharp eared milk drinkers
To add onto that he used the ring he too from the nazgul for canonical 50 years. He held back the army’s of the dark lord alone for 50 year and she had the Gaul to say he wasn’t-alone. It’s the mere fact he withstood the influence of that ring for so long combined with the fact he held back the forces of darkness all on his own
@@nathengriffiths-holland7038 True, though I may have spoke too soon. He had, at the very least, the company of all the Branded Orcs.
But Eltariel was right, Talion was never alone. Ratbag was with him all along
It was at this moment where her immortality becomes a curse. She’ll have to live for eternity with the consequences of her actions. The guilt of her betrayal will haunt her. It’s especially more painful for her after seeing his past.
All the means for her goals but being stuck with Cerembribor is much worse as he is no longer the same elf he was and the guilt is more of a burden Eltarion had to carry.
and celebrimbor wasn't destroyed with sauron his soul is still out there and eltariel still has the second ring which are all major details
On the plus side, the silver lining is that Talion eventually was freed of the Ringwraiths' control and got to reunite with his family in paradise. Definitely really fucked up what Eltariel and Celebrimbor did to him though.
Galadriel's punishing Eltariel for abandoning an ally to die because of some empty promises made by a dying ghost
Galadriel must've known that Talion was the only one strong enough to resist both the Nazgul ring AND Celebrimbor's new ring. That not only could he have held the gates to protect Middle Earth far longer but could've potentially stopped Sauron for good. Yet it was the stupidity of her own servant and her blind desire to finish the fight quickly that lead to the defense against Mordor to eventually crumble and their greatest champion falling to darkness. Galadriel may look kind but when she gets mad, she is ANYTHING but.
@@white0thunderwhite0thunder71 I dont even know why Galadriel sent Eltariel in the first place. But i cant even stand her after she betrayed Talion. But tbf it wasnt just her, it was also Celebrimbor that betrayed Talion, and thats even worse since Talion and Celebrimbor were partners in all of this. If Celebrimbor didnt betray Talion and Eltariel was a bit wiser then Sauron wouldve been defeated.
I just finished Shadow of War the other day. I was appalled at the audacity Eltariel and Celebrimbor. ESPECIALLY Celebrimbor.
Celebrimbor I saw coming, over the course of the story. Eltariel surprised me, because she spent the story distrustful of Celebrimbor, only to side with him in the end. For something that Talion did, not Celebrimbor. Talion is the one who released Isildur from his slavery. Celebrimbor wanted to enslave everyone.
Celebrimbor was showing his disgust with talión through out the game due to their various disagreements, but her, I hated it and it pissed me off, all game she’s dragging the rings and the duo, just to side with celebrimbor at the end
My only argument, is that the elves have been fighting the Dark Lords for thousands of years and Sauron has inflicted massive suffering that plenty of elves lived through. That shared suffering and the opportunity to have vengeance and destroy the one who inflicted it is a poweful motivator and the cost would be the life of one human that the rest of mankind has already written off as dead. It must of seemed like a small price to pay. It's a crappy rationale, but it exists.
@@musicninja98 I guess I can see that. It just doesn't come off that way in the game. It's a very poorly written or thought out swerve from "I don't trust you or your ring." to "Oh you did a thing. I'm totally on board now."
So Eltariel's thought process in this was ''This guy has been fighting almost the entirety of Mordor for years and WINNING... I should betray him and take his life support ring''
At first i thought this was pretty much a gut punch with how they wrote Eltariel the way they did. But when you think about it, this scene tells you why she just changed her mind after seeing Talion taking Isildur from Sauron's hold. She was tired and really wanted her mission to just end once and for all, being sent time and again to Mordor to fight the Nazguls until she dies like other assassins sent before her. Her taking the Ring wasn't bad writing, she genuinely saw hope and an end to her endless mission, and after she saw how Celebrimbor couldn't fulfil that promise she just broke and begged Galadriel to let her go home because then she realized that the mission was hopeless
All of that struck her even worse when she saw the life of Talion and realized she sacrificed what might be the most noble soul she ever saw, and not only she sacrificed him for nothing, but she has also condemned him to be Nazgul all because she fell for the false promise of an end to her mission
Celebrimbor just dragged everyone into a hopeless fight and then somehow made everything worse than it already was.
@@Mendoza-yi6qk well his plan would have worked had he not thrown Talion under the bus, because HE would have won the fight out of his sheer determination to defeat Sauron. I think the reason Celebrimbor failed without Talion is because he overestimated himself, while Talion would make no compromises when breaking the dark lord.
Or maybe it was the bond the 2 of them share that allowed Talion to make the most out of the Ring's power. The bond Eltariel did not have
Funny enough that’s how Talion started at the beginning of act two in the first game he wanted to die and be with his family cause he noticed his fight with Sauron’s forces were never ending and that moment happened again two times is shadow of war. Only Calebrimbor didn’t want to relinquish his body cause he lied about giving up his body throughout half the game
You play grown up games, you face grown up consequences
@@livelife4928 and that's what Celebrimbor found out
She was sent to deal with the nazguls and not only did she fail she created another one in talion 😂
And you can tell Galadriel is NOT HAPPY with her.
Ah, yes, more reasons to hate elves
Never trust a elf
@@gabriellawless8309 me an' da boyz hate dem knife ears
@@atomsmasher9279 we dwarfs dug entire cities underground just to get away from them
Pelinal Whitestrake gang
Pelinal mentioned @@An_Inconvenience
"So you drove a man capable of fighting sauron back to his side and failed to kill either? Get back in there and cl3an up ur mess" is what i feel like shes implying
Let's not forget she took the ring from Talion and pretty much forced him to take up another ring leading him to become a Nazgal.
Sooooooooo, yeh her fault.
I agree with u with a passion
Not only that. She did so after he killed iseildor who was a nazgul. He legit did her job a bit but out of respect for the man he killed and she got bent about it. Lel
Elves... avoiding responsibility since the birth of fantasy.
😂😂
NEVER TRUST AN ELF
I have never played the Mordor games but this elf f**ked up big time if she got Galadriel this pissed off...
Yep😄
pretty much betrayed the MC and it ended up in the MC becoming a nazgul, when she was sent to middle-earth to kill nazguls. she failed to realize that by betraying the MC, she was just giving more power to not someone who would kill sauron, but replace him and change nothing. Dark lord, bright lord, it's all the same. The MC realized this as well and that's why they betrayed him and left him to die.
U should play them they are good i dont recommend this dlc tho
Hated having to fight Talion
😔
@@decrazygaming1738Sad yet still the best Boss fight in the series
I actually couldn't. I got to that point and said fuck it. Drank a glass in honor of Talion instead, that evening.
I did it was a better send off than getting hit by a rock that's for sure
Never trust an elf, i think we already learned this from both TES and Warhammer
REMAN!!!!!!
Especially high elves
Pelinal, Ysgramor and Talos did nothing wrong.
I wouldn't let that betrayer return home either.
facts if she betray a good man and a true soldier of the people what do you think she would do to her own?
I feel like this entire mission is galadriel punishing her for something she did at some point
Man, I wish Talion was able to kill her and Celebrimbor for their betrayal.
That would have brought a lot more closure for Talion in the end.
Instead they just killed him off with a volcanic rock falling on him while he was riding a Drake. Smh. They did Talion soooo wrong.
Pretty sure you can't kill a wraith
@@Rtplb he was made mortal after he destruction of the one
@@Rtplb if you can remove the ring from their finger then you can release them and yes you can kill them technically it's only the witchking that can't be killed
@@Rtplb Witch-King.
I mean, he would’ve wanted to die at that point. He was free to be with his family again.
The worst part to me is all throughout the dlc. Not once did she apologize or show any remorse towards Talion for what she has done.
“Women, am I right?” - Sauron
'not lore accurate and tolkien actually wrote and spoke highly of women, am i right?'
@@cou9553 too bad Sauron isnt Tolkien
@@l0sts0ul89 yeah, sauron was a real egalitarian; hated everyone equally
@@cou9553 I think you got the wrong word
@@cou9553 The point of the joke is it’s offensive, enjoy your day♥️
I love that Galadriel fucking told Eltariel off. She fucking deserves it.
I feel like gladriel was watching etheriel and talion and the bright lord in mordor. Impressed at talion at bow well hes keeping up his will and spirit, kaybe even thinking that he could hold back against sauron, only to see her iwn servent kill him and take his ring fareanor style as talion turn nazgul. Shes just screaming "bitch i told you to kill the nazgul not make an powered up version!!"
SHadow of MOrdor and War is amazing. i wouldnt be sad if another game came out. its not canon but fits so well
I honestly have no contention with elves.....but eltariel and galadriel here make me wish that Pelinal Whitestrake existed here if only to see the carnage that he would ensure if he found about Talion....Oh it would be glorious.
Galadriel is just as pissed at Eltariel as the rest of us.
She just doesnt want to fight wrathgiver build Talion obviously
Hey, *you're* the one who gave Eltariel the task of killing the Nazgul- *a task that is literally unfulfillable except for in the case of the Witch-King so long as Sauron lives*- Galadriel. What happened to Talion is as much *your* fault as Eltariel's and Celebrimbor's.
i dont think she was meant to KILL the nazgul, per say. She was just sent to keep them at bay, and to prevent them from completing their missions and assignments. more of a "damage control" assignment, and being a thorn in their side
She knows she can only hold them off, that's why you got 5 other assassins sent before Eltariel and all of them died in Mordor. Even Eltariel knows it's an endless mission
Imagine trusting an Elf. lmao
Pelinal Whitestrake should've kept going. Oh wait, wrong franchise.
In this game, if there is someone who I cant forgive its eltariel and celebrimbor for deceiving Talion, a pure heart soul, who for the well being of others, continued to fight till his last breathe.
Did you see the way Galadriel's eyes glow blue really intensely? What if this was a vision from Celebrimbor to try to get her to finish his work. It would explain why Galadriel sounded so OOC and aggressive about making sure Talion was rid of for good and to get the new ring back.
her eyes are blue in the books.
Her eyes don't glow blue. she just has blue eyes, which she's always had in the books (can't remember if it was so in the films, probably)
@@DBfan106 I know, emphasis on "intensely"
@@augusthasani6588 Except they don't. they're just blue dude.
He wouldn't be able to do shit to her considering he's just a wraith to one of the most ancient and powerful elves in Middle Earth. She just wanted Eltariel to do her job and get out
I mean fuck dude. The ring wraiths were more trust worthy than those fucking elves dude. Witch king walked up and put tender hand on his shoulder and just said “come on brother, lets mog middle earth”
"Sister you stupid. I disown you"
Ngl, i would have way more fun playing slave DLC than her DLC. Not even talking about DLC that tells us about Ranger's and Ratbag's backstories.
I forget that everyone is racist in LotR (not Warrhammer racist but still pretty racist) and how little she cared about Talion.
Said nobody with functioning brain cells
Race card
Thanks for the Warhammer comparison, I almost thought they were THAT racist.
@ChuckPalomo almost, they don't murder each other on sight yet, but they'll get there. You just have to believe.
@@Gabor-92 in this universe this guy is right elf think they are the real shlt
Notice how not only she doesn't show any regret for taking the ring and letting Talion to die, but also when Galadriel tells her she has to fight him, she says she can not... but not because of regret or not wanting to fight an old friend, she's just tired of being in Mordor and wants to return to Lothlorien. She doesn't give an F about Talion
Fandom yet has to realize that she doesn't give an F about Talion on any stage of the game. She is just doing her job, and Talion was a pretty useful tool for a limited time, because at this moment she only cares about finishing her mission, some random human doesn't matter.
She will always be the B anyway.
What’s crazy was that she was there for the Nazgûl’s not even for the Dark Lord. Talion got cheated out of living/Dying cause Calebrimbor enticed her with power for his greed to overtake the dark lord which again wasn’t even her mission!
growing up is realizing that humans are the real badasses, not elves.
It's so dumb having to fight talion. In reality, he would absolutely destroy her, but for the plot, she had to win. So dumb
I have to agree
The writing in general is absolute ass in this game so it’s no surprise.
She didn’t even win, she just survived Talion.
Which is even worse because it’s one of those fights you win gameplay wise, yet the story/ cutscene right after tells you, your character lost very easily.
This game made me despise Galdriel and the other pissant light elves. Talion didnt deserve that.
Judging by the way galadriel spoke in this cutscene, she was very thoroughly unimpressed with the events that led up to this conversation, seeing how well written talion's story is, I highly doubt the very particular word choice by galadriel Is accidental, It is on purpose and it's the writers trying to convey borderline rage without voices being raised too much
backstabbing elf
Laura Freaking Bailey!! She’s everywhere!! What talent!!
I think she is overrated, Im now at a point where i can't stand her. Always the same type of voice with terrible accents. Like really terrible.
0:45 love the detail on the before surgery nose
Okay side note. Obviously this isn’t canon but that line “I took the ring and left him to die” doesn’t sound like a hero or anything of the sort. I haven’t never heard Aragorn or Sam or anyone say that about a character that was still good. Frodo wanted to kill gollum for his part with Bilbo but in the end he wanted to save him from himself instead. But this bitch is like “yeah he wasn’t evil or anything but I took the only thing that could keep him alive and just left him to die because reasons”. I would trust Lurtz or the Witch King with my life before her.
Agreed
"I did the calculation, but boy am I stupid"
_Eltariel and Calabrimbor
Damn elves always fucking shit up
This is saddening. Talion deserved better, I wished we had a third game. Thank you and may Jesus Christ be with you.
No thanks, I'm good.
This was done SOOOO much better than in the new Rings of Power series. The ethereal being viewpoint from the hobbits in the Lord Of The Rings movies was diminished between the talks of elves here. It clearly highlights how even elves have emotions. They are clearly not just the "good" side. Just another selfinterested race among others that just live a lot longer.
If you thought Giladriel was tough on Eltariel. Imagine how much worse Fëanor was
Eltariel is ignominious, may Talion find peace
Still hurts in my head trying to fit and make sense of everything of shadow of war into tolkiens lore.
I don't think that is possible
@@gghs9162 Yeah started question the game a little with second ring but was like ok maybe I can exucse that if it's less powerfull and get's destroyed. Nope
Then also having Shelob as like a apperance of a hot lady, really?
Then the "first wtf" came up with helm hammerhand being Nazgul.
Then when I lost my cool was Isildur being a Nazgul.
Then the other DLC's just make's it worse XD
Oh no the consequences of my actions
Celebrimbor’s betreyal absolutely bodied me.
i rather Join the dark lord than the bright lord
the Bright Lord seems even worse than Sauron. Imagine if he'd won, Mordor would fall to him, armies of orcs sweeping over Middle Earth and lay it to ruin...just as Shelob had foreseen.
you can tell Galadriel it mad and disgust what Eltariel did, and she make her put him down cause it her all her fault, she betray a good warrior who they could used to fight the evil lord and now he with the dark lord cause of her dumbass decide, and she make her pay for it
Galadriel seemed like that kind but stern grandmother in LotR, and Letharael pissed her off. If that doesn't tell you how bad you @#$%ed up I donno what to tell you
We needed an alternate ending, a choice to see through the path of Talion and the Bright Lord ending. I hate when i don't have a choice in games..
Wasn't there a "good" ending if you went through a series of fortress battles after the story ended?
Galadriel betrayed Talion. He is essentially the true son of Gondor, he returned from the other world to take revenge for the murder of his brother and wife, for Gondor. He met her and trusted her so that by the end she would put a knife in his back. Therefore, Eltariel looks at her with contempt; because of her, Talion, despite not even trying to do so, fell into the hands of the Nazgul. Although in my playthrough, Talion killed all the Nazgul and went to his wife
Was it his brother? I thought it was his son. Haven't played in while though, so I could be wrong.
@@the_epileptic_gamer1190 There seemed to be both a brother and a son there? I went through it myself a long time ago)
@@alexursus4719 What I remember is he lost his wife and son at the wall, then met someone who was like a brother in the 1st game whom he helped to free slaves.
Yes, lost wife and son. The other dude was not his brother, but used to be a fellow ranger guarding the black gate, but left his guard duty behind prior to the game. (Not sure what the correct term is)
But he didn’t die, at least we don’t know. Last time seeing him was when Talion advised them to get out of Mordor, before facing the hammer
@@Jedimeister17 that sounds right.
Remember. Around Elves watch yourselves.
Don't care to check all the comments but how ecactly did she think he was dead when she new him to be the nazgul in minas morgul ?
Some much lore breaking, so much fun!
Indeed
probably not the greatest idea in general but if Galadriel commanded Eltariel to deliver the ring to her than she could probably come close to something similar she described to Frodo If she took the One, Although in this case the New Ring wouldn’t be as liable to corrupt her as much seeing as it doesn’t derive from Saurons Influence And already wearing One Of the three elven rings of Power she could’ve been unstoppable, but seeing as Celebrimbor was already corrupted and his ring blinded him even more to power its arguable that she would end up just as bad; but perhaps not? I’d love to hear other ppls thoughts on this subject.
Isn‘t she wearing one of the elven rings already?
@@Jedimeister17 Yeah the comment is about if she wielded her ring Nenya alongside the One ring, how powerful/unstoppable she could potentially be wielding two of the greatest rings of power
Eltarial was so hated after this moment, I wouldnt pass it that she is also the main reason we didnt get a third game. In whcih Eltariel has to hunt Celebrimbor who is teying to become the NEW Dark Lord.
Wait...COMMANDER SHEPARD?!
Femshep is it you?
In typical Elven fashion, us first, the people we screw over second. Good job Galadriel, good job.
she's just an traitor, nothing more.
It be funny, if that wasn’t even Galadriel but Celebrimbor pretending to be Galadriel. Tell Eltariel to take my Ring kill the only thing that still against me. Talion that is holding back the darkness by himself for many years. So I can return to almost full power once again also I can search for the one ring to rule them all.
while i enjoyed the different ways to fight uruks, i know for a fact that MY talon would kick the shit out of eltariel no matter how strong i make her
why?
cause one, i play on nemesis difficulty(i know its not the hardest mode) and two, with how i built my talon, he would end her, easy
im actually disappointed that we couldnt fight talon based on the skills we picked and gear we used
The bonus skins in the game still kinda suck the celebrimbor one is good and having ones for the dlc's isnt bad but how hard would it have been to bring back dark ranger and black hand skins and preferably do what so many people wanted and add saurons armor as a skin
Always hated the ending to this damn game. They did Talion so dirty for fucking NOTHING. Well that and the nonsensical bullshit they pulled with Shelob. That was a thing for some reason.
They could’ve used some other seer character, hell give Talion some out of nowhere visions of the future. Instead they turned an intimidating ass spider into a woman of the night who just so happened to be Sauron’s ex.
When ratbag was a bettet nakama when the real ones -.-
She does know that if she returns Celebrimbor's ring to Talion, he will not turn into Nazgul right?
It hits hard that the most trustworthy person for Talion turned out to be the evil spider demon woman.
Truuuuuue
I hated Eltariel story line of stabbing you in the back. Felt so unearned
I really want them to make another game
She stayed from her task and paid for it.
Damn elves
She screwed him over so much and she don’t even care
The fact that they decided to have her betray him and have the end game like that ruined the entire series for me. Total shit
I feel you...
She literally could have saved his life of she just gave him the pure ring
I think there was an implication that both Talion wouldn’t have taken it and Eltariel thought he wouldn’t take it. Plus there is a chance the ring was very slowly corrupting Eltariel, so she might not have been able to give it up by then
@@richardwilliams3080 those are good points however I'm pretty sure elves are very hard to corrupt over a short time frame and I believe she's only had the ring for a few years
I don't like how Galadriel has zero thoughts on Elteriel creating another Nazgul, The ring fullt betrayed Isildur. That would have made Sauron be one Nazgul down permanently or how she wants Eltariel to wear the ring just doesn't feel right for her.
This is not Galadriel. Have a nice day.
She is the Galadriel of the game😄
Better than amazon galadriel lmao
Was her nose always that big?
I bought both games together a couple years ago. I enjoyed Shadow of Mordor a lot.
And then I learned what Eltariel did before I could get into Shadow of War.
And, honestly, I just can't. Honestly disgusting writng on the dev's part. For me, just knowing about the DLC taints Shadow of War enough that I won't give it a chance.
Oh snap! Laura Bailey?!?
Never trust an elf
Yo I'm out here just waiting for the wonder woman game sitting on my freaking bed waiting for something exciting happening this year
Ok I know everyoje is talking about how Talion would've destoryed lithareal but can we just talk for a koment about what could've been such a cool sequel? I mean, we all know Zog right? Hes a necromancer, Talions tecnacly a necromancer....we could've teemed up with zog to build an even bigger army and take our evenge on Celibrembor. All the while we try to maintane this uneasy alliance (but better than Talion and Celebrenmbor's) and while Talion is still trying to resist Isildur's ring's influence. I mean, come on, you gotta admit it would be cool.
It would be
I got this game years ago. Stopped playing around 80% completion. I lacked interest defending all the cities after becoming a nazgulto 100% the game. I liked it on the whole because I liked the game play and I can distance myself from canon lore on these things for the most part. That allowed the very non-canon lore of this game to sit where it does.
Thinking about it now, the character of Talion fits the same space that Starkiller does in Star Wars. Both are there to offer the negative side of "What if?" to the known hero characters (Aragorn here, and Luke in Star Wars). In the case of Starkiller, it was the intent of the game to show what Vader would have done if Luke joined the dark side, presumably at the end of Empire, as I understand it. If I am wrong in that, then I'm sure I will find out in replies. I don't know if there has been an interview with devs for this game where it was a similar situation to make a complete apples to apples correlation. Maybe one influenced the other.
At the end of the day, these games exist for the sake of having fun. Starkiller exists because it was a damn good idea to make a game where you could experience the full power of the force and play around with the dark side. You’re right; the same is true here. “What if you could be a man with the powers of a wraith?” You have a lot of freakin fun, that’s what. People who complain about the lore forget what the whole point of the game is.
when talion took isildur’s ring, he effectively is also the one who stabbed frodo with the morgul blade. fun fact
Wouldn’t he also be that Nazgul that was tracking the group in the beginning?
Wasn’t Frodo stabbed by the witch king? At least that’s what’s I’m remembering
@@Jedimeister17 the nazgul gets promoted to Witch King because of stabbing frodo, so an argument that Talion is the witch King is definitely there
@@LornFortheForlorn so Sauron demoted the witch king first, and than granted the title to (let’s say) Talion?
No, as witch king is in fact not a title, but the only (namewise) remains of Sauron’s servant that used to rule over angmar and almost managed to conquer the whole north west of middle earth
SKYRIM BELONGS TO THE NORDS!!! wait wrong game lol
Is it just me or did anyone else feel like they kinda made Galadriel a bit of a A-hole
she always was the only elves that were actualy good were Legolas and Glorfindel the rest were just A-holes in the books.
Elves aren't perfect... that's for sure.