Lance Storm Is Such A Brilliant Wrestling Mind!

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  • Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024

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  • @ChrisVanVliet
    @ChrisVanVliet  7 месяцев назад +37

    If I could be serious for a minute... thanks for checking out this interview with Lance Storm! Go to boncharge.com/CVV and use coupon code CVV to save 15%
    Also get 15% off MudWtr with the code CVV15 at mudwtr.com/cvv

    • @animal1nstinct394
      @animal1nstinct394 7 месяцев назад

      please interview jaxson ryker u were open to interviewing velveteen dream so hope u will

    • @geoffs23
      @geoffs23 7 месяцев назад +1

      Now if I can be serious for a moment: yes the Swiss Chalet in Airdrie became a kids pool thing, and the east Calgary one closed and got folded up into the Harvey's; but we still have the Swiss Chalet then, now, together, forever!

    • @TimLoyalToWifeHaterFreeZoneA
      @TimLoyalToWifeHaterFreeZoneA 7 месяцев назад +2

      Love It ChrisVanVliet Bro.

    • @Nicolewhite743
      @Nicolewhite743 7 месяцев назад +1

      no video in top corner where u pointed

    • @Gary_Youtube1
      @Gary_Youtube1 7 месяцев назад

      Buddy, nice touch on the sick new metal entrance music....just awesome

  • @heffman102
    @heffman102 7 месяцев назад +60

    If I could be serious for a minute, Lance is one of the most underrated wrestlers of all time

    • @ChrisVanVliet
      @ChrisVanVliet  7 месяцев назад +12

      💯

    • @DjCp3o420
      @DjCp3o420 7 месяцев назад +5

      Good interview ​@@ChrisVanVliet

  • @DateMike22
    @DateMike22 7 месяцев назад +81

    "If I could be serious for a minute?" 😂😂😂
    Lance Storm is one of the best technical wrestlers and one of the more underrated personalities in wrestling history.

    • @adamlane6453
      @adamlane6453 7 месяцев назад +2

      The word "underrated" is overused to an absurd degree in popular discourse. Your statement is a rare example of the appropriate use of this word. Lance shoulda been the champ, a booker, an owner. Any promotion not tapping his talent is a failure.... so all of them.

    • @steveshelton3153
      @steveshelton3153 6 месяцев назад

      @@adamlane6453my wife left me

    • @pistolpete8231
      @pistolpete8231 6 месяцев назад

      Him and jericho were always very mid tier and mediocre wrestlers. Lets face it. Ya'll sound like he wrestled like Benoit

  • @TyMarshall007
    @TyMarshall007 7 месяцев назад +166

    if i could be serious for a minute, Lance Storm should've been WCW World champion

    • @ESWShockwave
      @ESWShockwave 7 месяцев назад +5

      Lmao, mid card guys don’t get the world title bro lol

    • @willbrennan4025
      @willbrennan4025 7 месяцев назад +3

      Cheap pop 😂

    • @mongoose890
      @mongoose890 7 месяцев назад +7

      @@ESWShockwaveyeah so they should’ve put him in the upper end of the card, in case you didn’t know wrestling isn’t real and they choose who gets the belt

    • @frankmiranda707
      @frankmiranda707 7 месяцев назад +2

      Bischoff and Russo would never allow it

    • @TyMarshall007
      @TyMarshall007 7 месяцев назад +2

      @@ESWShockwave that's Rich because WWE has Mid carders as World Champion

  • @bryanbowers9750
    @bryanbowers9750 7 месяцев назад +32

    Lance was my trainer. He’s a great guy that cared about his students. He made sure we were the safest in the biz. He gave honest feedback and I really appreciated my time in Calgary.
    He said he didn’t have butter or sugar for his entire run as a professional. Blew my mind.

    • @augustushaynes1311
      @augustushaynes1311 3 месяца назад +1

      Dude not that I’m any sort of physical specimen or workout fiend, but even if I were, I wouldn’t be able to even fathom cutting out butter and sugar entirely. Damn.

    • @Jaxsinholt
      @Jaxsinholt Месяц назад

      He didn't train u. Stop lying dick

  • @dlewis1701
    @dlewis1701 7 месяцев назад +23

    Could listen to Lance Storm talk wrestling for hours. Do another one in a few months too!

  • @mattdawg83686
    @mattdawg83686 7 месяцев назад +7

    The problem with fully choreographed matches is that when a mistake is made in a spot, instead of switching things up and doing something different, they reset and try it all over again.

  • @baconbone5895
    @baconbone5895 7 месяцев назад +17

    "Lance... He tunes up the band" . Brilliant 😂

  • @citizenstrife
    @citizenstrife 7 месяцев назад +21

    Storm is such a brilliant guy. I watched him a lot on Figure Four Daily stuff, and he comes across as a mix of Cornette and Bret Hart. He has an old school mentality and analytical/technical mindset, but is still cordial and professional in his criticisms when he has them. It's a very refreshing perspective on things, without being sucked into any large extreme. Lots of wrestlers would do well to listen to his advice.

  • @Qwinn03
    @Qwinn03 7 месяцев назад +15

    Lance Storm is one of the greatest of all time to do it. What a massively under appreciated talent!

  • @KHLthe2nd
    @KHLthe2nd 7 месяцев назад +28

    That "kissing your wife" analogy was brilliant!

    • @rippchen4
      @rippchen4 5 месяцев назад

      Oh my god. I read your comment exactly when He said it😂

  • @dyev7096
    @dyev7096 6 месяцев назад +4

    "If I can be serious for a minute... without getting interrupted!" It's amazing how much heat Lance had with that simple line back in the day!

    • @txmetalhead82xk
      @txmetalhead82xk 4 месяца назад +1

      The joke was he was Always Serious. The joke worked greatly.

  • @TheStuport
    @TheStuport 7 месяцев назад +21

    I'm quite sure that MANY Wrestling Fans have from time to time done the "If I can Be Serious For A Minute" during their daily grinds LOLOL! I know I do it a lot just to annoy or aggravate or even get that priceless reaction from someone who isn't expecting it! I have been a huge Lance Fan for years and you are correct Chris...this guy has A 6th Sense about The Grappling World! Glad you were able to catch up with Mr. Storm and have a face to face pow Wow! Cheers From Ohio To the CVV Community!

  • @captainclyde5082
    @captainclyde5082 7 месяцев назад +8

    As a Canadian, this guys accent and demeanor reminds me of literally every good ol' boy I've ever spoke to in my life 😂

  • @MikeeTompkins
    @MikeeTompkins 7 месяцев назад +8

    I remember years ago I sent letters off to promotors and wrestling schools when I was thinking about becoming a wrestler.. Lance was the only one who got back to me, sending me a letter giving me much more advice that I asked for. He didn't have to do that but I was grateful and for that I think he's a great guy who has alot of valuable knowledge of the industry..

  • @graefx
    @graefx 7 месяцев назад +3

    Lance is a gift. With Scott gone, Im glad people like Lance are still backstage shepherding new talent. Protecting the business and the talent.

  • @CobraSaboteur
    @CobraSaboteur 7 месяцев назад +3

    I was first exposed to Lance as a kid watching ECW and immediately got behind his ring work and I always loved the Impact Players since him and Credible had such an interesting tag dynamic with being almost polar opposite wrestlers in the ring. I know Okada has one hell of a drop kick but to me, Lance’s was and still is the best lol.

  • @brianhopson2072
    @brianhopson2072 7 месяцев назад +7

    Lance Storm will always be the Henry Rollins of wrestling to me.

    • @miguelladinodevera614
      @miguelladinodevera614 5 месяцев назад +2

      If Mirko "Crocop" Filipovic became Canadian, he'd be Lance lol imagine those 3 people in the same room: Lance the pro wrestler, Mirko the MMA fighter, and Henry the punk OG.

  • @VeryRellDressed
    @VeryRellDressed 7 месяцев назад +4

    Lance is the ultimate wrestlers wrestler...when your peers say that wrestling you is like "having the night off" that is very high praise .loved when he had all the belts in wcw and renamed them,very underrated run

  • @Secretary.of.Education
    @Secretary.of.Education 6 месяцев назад +2

    It's so weird seeing Lance being so normal. It used to annoy me to no end when he would get on the mic and say "If I could be serious for a minute" thinking in my head, dude, you're always serious. That's how you know he was great at what he did 👌

  • @TheFishingNomad
    @TheFishingNomad 7 месяцев назад +5

    The business would be in such a better place if more people in charge would have the mind of this guy.

  • @marvelghost
    @marvelghost 6 месяцев назад +5

    Lance Storm is great! I loved when he had 3 championships with Canadian stickers.

  • @mentiramentira
    @mentiramentira 7 месяцев назад +9

    my favorite wrestler from the 90s, love Lance. I used to be a daily visitor to his website, the guy was WAY ahead of the online game back then.

    • @royspeedyharper
      @royspeedyharper 7 месяцев назад +2

      His book reviews and stuff were great

  • @AniHajderaj
    @AniHajderaj 7 месяцев назад +7

    Lance is a huge asset to the whole business. I am glad he's alive and well

  • @Hexx_Iztenze
    @Hexx_Iztenze 7 месяцев назад +7

    I still feel Lance has the best Superkick.
    He is definitely one of the greats in terms of technical wrestling ability.

  • @HokageLaced
    @HokageLaced 6 месяцев назад +2

    Lance Storm is one of the best technical wrestlers ever he should of one a World Champion whether it was ECW, WCW, WWE, NJPW or TNA with great character work and amazing physic for his size with great promo work after establishing himself

  • @sithari518
    @sithari518 7 месяцев назад +3

    Lance Storm was the only reason I watched WCW in the time he was there

  • @bryanbowers9750
    @bryanbowers9750 7 месяцев назад +4

    He used to have us punch towels to practice our working punch. The key was to make it look as real as possible without the towel moving.

  • @Lovlee33161
    @Lovlee33161 6 месяцев назад +2

    We all love the big personalities in wrestling. But you GOTTA RESPECT the true technicians and students of the craft. Lance is top 10 all time.

  • @blackholesupersloth3276
    @blackholesupersloth3276 7 месяцев назад +3

    Lance is just a really solid human.

  • @meshofgreen
    @meshofgreen 7 месяцев назад +3

    Storm is so enjoyable to listen to. I miss his "Killing the Business" pod.

  • @YaMuthasOnion
    @YaMuthasOnion 7 месяцев назад +6

    Just as I'm going to type in here about Kelvin>Fahrenheit>Celsius and Lance goes, 'What about Kelvin?'. Love this man!😂

  • @kitgautier1658
    @kitgautier1658 6 месяцев назад +1

    Always great to see an interview with Lance Storm!

  • @Superrandomness7255
    @Superrandomness7255 7 месяцев назад +6

    I will always appreciate more lance storm content

  • @lgr2284
    @lgr2284 7 месяцев назад +5

    I'm not 10 minutes in to the interview and it's already one of the best ever. Haha!! "It's a sweet chin music" 🤣🤣😆😆

  • @GlenPowerStation
    @GlenPowerStation 5 месяцев назад +1

    Lance was always one of my favorites. Lucky to meet him a few times while he was in WCW.

  • @MonoGrinded
    @MonoGrinded 7 месяцев назад +5

    The last interview with Lance was awesome can't wait to hear this one

  • @Andrew-Antioch-Kim
    @Andrew-Antioch-Kim 7 месяцев назад +18

    Lance Storm is just like "The Ice Man" as well as "The Man Of A Thousand Holds" Dean Malenko.
    They're both "in-ring technicians" and their "wrestling prowess" speaks for itself!

    • @geoffs23
      @geoffs23 7 месяцев назад +5

      as MJF said, "if Dean Malenko and Lance Storm had a baby"

    • @itim777
      @itim777 7 месяцев назад +4

      And both could also do comedy well when required

    • @kousikrakshit1295
      @kousikrakshit1295 7 месяцев назад +4

      Both underrated

    • @Niklarus2010
      @Niklarus2010 7 месяцев назад +1

      They were two of my favorite wrestlers in the latter days of WCW. I’m really sad they didn’t get the success they should have had in WWE.

    • @kousikrakshit1295
      @kousikrakshit1295 7 месяцев назад

      @@Niklarus2010 Lance still started the invasion angle. Even won the ic title and tag titles. Malenko didn't do any of that

  • @damionsaintclaire2365
    @damionsaintclaire2365 7 месяцев назад +2

    I absolutely love this interview. Lance definitely was always someone i loved watching in the ring. He has an amazing take on the business and as a fan its just so insightful to learn a few of the nuances that us fans may not actually understand.

  • @healer246
    @healer246 7 месяцев назад +3

    Joey Styles called it the Calgary Crab

  • @spoogtastic
    @spoogtastic 7 месяцев назад +4

    I can watch lance talk about wrestling endlessly.

  • @MartyDickRider
    @MartyDickRider 7 месяцев назад +3

    I always called the half-crab the Canadian Crab...I feel like this is some kind of Mandela effect lol

  • @dxzxax8772
    @dxzxax8772 7 месяцев назад +2

    Fascinating interview! Amazing insight from a great mind in the business. Always liked him in the ring. How great was the finisher name the Straight Shooter?! That coulda been his alias it's so good. Gives homage to the Sharpshooter, he is a straight shooter, and the move is straight compared to the folded legs of the Sharpshooter. Miss opportunity from WWE there.

  • @MartinMcguire318
    @MartinMcguire318 7 месяцев назад +2

    Lance is a genius. Very smart man who deserved a World Heavyweight Championship in WCW.
    Plus on WWE games I used to use the Single Crab and Super Kick in my moveset.

  • @jeffv4969
    @jeffv4969 7 месяцев назад +5

    Treat Lance seriously like a Bret Hart and he couldve been a multiple time world champion easily.

  • @augustushaynes1311
    @augustushaynes1311 3 месяца назад +1

    I really can’t stand the people that call Lance boring. They obviously haven’t listened to him for more than 10 seconds. His level of industry knowledge and insight is incredible!

  • @DjCp3o420
    @DjCp3o420 7 месяцев назад +4

    Lance vs Jericho would be cool

  • @sirepaulos
    @sirepaulos 6 месяцев назад +2

    thank you for being educated & UnAmerican ;) always a fave growing up, great to see he's still involved beyond his school

  • @themaverick898
    @themaverick898 7 месяцев назад +2

    The comments about star ratings and comparing to kissing your wife/SO was so spot on 😂

  • @Boygonebad
    @Boygonebad 7 месяцев назад +3

    He was always my favorite in ECW. Then did great in WCW but unfortunately the company was on the way down during that time. And WWF fumbled big time on him once the invasion angle ended.
    If I was an TNA wrestler I would listen to every word he says.

  • @guitarrox
    @guitarrox 7 месяцев назад +2

    Right On Lance Storm he lives about 5 mins from me 1 of my all time favorites in wrestling !!! Go CVV !!!

  • @walkinphoenix45
    @walkinphoenix45 7 месяцев назад +1

    I never knew I wanted a Lance Storm interview. Until now! 👍🏻

  • @boots8562
    @boots8562 7 месяцев назад +8

    I'm excited to watch this, but I hope Lance Storm can be serious 😂

    • @ChrisVanVliet
      @ChrisVanVliet  7 месяцев назад +7

      At least for a minute... 😂

  • @Punk_is_idol
    @Punk_is_idol 7 месяцев назад +2

    Do Scott Damore , I mean he got terminated but it would be great to see what it was like working for TNA

  • @chriscotterill2267
    @chriscotterill2267 2 месяца назад +1

    Anyone with love for wrestling needs to watch his matches in ECW with Jerry Lynn. Brilliant technical wrestling with high spots.

  • @RawJah
    @RawJah 7 месяцев назад +1

    I could listen to Lance for hours. Thank you both for doing this interview.

  • @vijaykarunakaran1566
    @vijaykarunakaran1566 7 месяцев назад +2

    I love the Swiss chalet reference. Lance Storm has a brilliant mind and funny when given a chance. 🇨🇦 🍁 🇨🇦

  • @colinmathie2710
    @colinmathie2710 7 месяцев назад +2

    Lance is always great to listen to.

  • @jamesd.6979
    @jamesd.6979 6 месяцев назад +2

    Lance's wrestling character always felt so sterile and unnuanced to me.. He was always incredible to watch in his actual matches, but he had such a generic, unconvincing presence in his promo's. Listening to him in these shoot interviews is always mindblowing to me because he's such a naturally endearing conversationalist. His intelligence is truly off the charts (and so is his wrestling IQ, goes without saying). It's always such a treat to listen to him talk about the business whenever a new interview gets uploaded.

  • @jedsai
    @jedsai 7 месяцев назад +4

    He should've been drafted to Smackdown last 2003, atleast he would have a decent push since SD focuses on the action/wrestling.

  • @tjc_music_inc1919
    @tjc_music_inc1919 7 месяцев назад +5

    My fav of all time what a guy❤

  • @exceladon7647
    @exceladon7647 15 дней назад

    Lance Storm was born to be the "straight-man". Even when he's not trying to be serious, he's still more serious than anyone else in the room and it's quite endearing. Even him being in ECW as this textbook wrestler with a great physique and a bit of a "I'm better than you." personality seemed so contrasting, yet so fitting.

  • @SvatosFan
    @SvatosFan 6 месяцев назад +1

    SmackDown June 6th, 2002. Lance Storm vs Billy Kidman they refer to the half crab as the straight shooter

  • @Boygonebad
    @Boygonebad 7 месяцев назад +2

    Love his response at 32:44 as I was saying that as CVV was explaining Russo’s lame reasoning for short matches (the real reason was Russo doesn’t know or like pro wrestling). Storm is great.

    • @juliandicks6822
      @juliandicks6822 6 месяцев назад

      The company Lance works for can't even get 100,000 viewers lol

    • @Boygonebad
      @Boygonebad 6 месяцев назад

      @@juliandicks6822 for their limited network and availability that’s just fine. Metrics aren’t the same as they were in the 90s. WWE is getting ratings that WCW was getting on their deathbed, AEW is getting ratings that would get a wrestling show cancelled back in the day. ROH doesn’t even have great subscriptions to their channel.
      But the TNA in ring action and angles have been better than they have in years.

  • @TruthWarriorB88
    @TruthWarriorB88 6 месяцев назад

    "If I could be serious for a minute..." Go ahead, Storm. LMAO.

  • @biig_silva
    @biig_silva 6 месяцев назад

    I wouldve still watch Jericho vs Lance move for move without the signatures moves from today. These two can pull it off and still have a great match 🙌🏾

  • @whitejeansreal
    @whitejeansreal 3 месяца назад

    This could be the biggest rivalry in pw currently. CVV with all gimmick moves vs anti gimmick lance storm

  • @markperkins2656
    @markperkins2656 7 месяцев назад +1

    Seen this come on my podcast feed. Been waiting for it to drop on RUclips. Please release opposite way round in future 😂❤

  • @becomingparanormal
    @becomingparanormal 7 месяцев назад +1

    I hated what they did to lance storm in WWE in the early 2000s. But then again, they already had Chris Benoit, who was also extremely technical and not particularly quick on the mic, but who was dangerous looking with all those missing teeth, that thick neck and a face like a catchers mit. Anyway, glad to see him still involved and at a high level. He knows his shit, that much is clear. I recently started paying more attention to TNA now that ist TNA and Dolph is over there. Looking forward to looking for Lances influence in the matches.

  • @MTSpade
    @MTSpade 7 месяцев назад

    Thank god they have him, theyre gonna need him more than ever now

  • @miracle_ftw
    @miracle_ftw 7 месяцев назад

    This interview turned out to be one of the funniest ever with that being said it is still very good. Great job guys

  • @CadChamberlain
    @CadChamberlain 6 месяцев назад

    Im completely with Lance on pins. Would like to see them make it actually look like theyre working to keep them down, as opposed to 'lets do this pose.'
    Also I wish we saw more wrestlers "trying" to kick out of pins and not just waiting for a random moment to spring out. The wiggling around in rollups dont look great either, but a good pin would allow them to actually work to get out enough for it to look believable while not getting out.

  • @oddswithyourkind
    @oddswithyourkind 6 месяцев назад

    17:20 the Jumping Bomb Angels have entered the chat.

  • @EyesoreJr
    @EyesoreJr 6 месяцев назад

    Wow! She’s really a very cool person. I have so much more respect for her and what she does. I really hope she excels in everything she wants to do. I hope she gets as nice push. She was fantastic in the rumble.

  • @bobleponge8750
    @bobleponge8750 7 месяцев назад +3

    Lance Storm looks like he could be Jim Cornette’s son

  • @uc95nu51
    @uc95nu51 7 месяцев назад +1

    Word life. This is basic Stormanomics.

  • @justinjones3793
    @justinjones3793 7 месяцев назад +1

    If I could be serious for a minute lance storm is awesome and he should have been ecw world heavyweight champion and wcw world champion

  • @TheSinsOfAvarice97
    @TheSinsOfAvarice97 7 месяцев назад +1

    The spear edge used could have called it the cutting edge i think thats all i can come up with for gimmick names for that one 😂

  • @knection1986
    @knection1986 7 месяцев назад +1

    Lance is a legend

  • @caseykronan
    @caseykronan 7 месяцев назад +1

    if genichiro tenryu tells 5 natives to listen to you, you are the shit, how cool to hear

  • @ttjesus4959
    @ttjesus4959 7 месяцев назад +1

    The only real advantage of Fahrenheit is that it capable of being more specific without the use of decimals.
    Also, in case you've never noticed, Fahrenheit is absolutely PERFECT for the weather. When it's over 100, that's where it's dangerously hot. When it's below 0, that's where it's dangerously cold. And humans tend to populate places that don't get to those extremes often, if at all. Most flora and fauna are the same way.

  • @TH0MASBR00KS
    @TH0MASBR00KS 4 месяца назад

    Another excellent interview

  • @AltJake
    @AltJake 7 месяцев назад

    32:37 - It only makes sense if you let it
    Have 1-3 lower card matches end during the commercial break
    Show the replays & big it up that you always have to be tuned in for the excitement

  • @joaopires1761
    @joaopires1761 7 месяцев назад

    I did not expect this to start with an explanation on what Kelvin degrees are. I'm all of it now.

  • @ncnuggets
    @ncnuggets 7 месяцев назад +2

    Did Lance ever have a match with Blackman? There's a mirror match for ya.

  • @navy4181
    @navy4181 7 месяцев назад

    45:41 Vince: “Whadaya think Pal?” 😂

  • @Tasiturne
    @Tasiturne 7 месяцев назад +1

    Prime lance storm vs cesaro nowdays would be the most technical match ever

  • @MrMegaManFan
    @MrMegaManFan 7 месяцев назад +1

    No lies in the title of the video or the video itself.

  • @dazzaboy04
    @dazzaboy04 7 месяцев назад

    The pin can be a great visual if you make it so. A pin has got to look like "I'm trying to win! I don't want to lose this match!" it's got to have that facial expression and sheer effort along with the body language of the pin. A lot of people ask "why do they try to pin only like a minute or so into the match?" they're trying to win! They don't want to lose! Especially a heel they just want the quick pin and the get the hell outta there! That's the story.

  • @homewil1582
    @homewil1582 7 месяцев назад

    Damn, Lance Storm today looks and sounds exactly what you’d expect when reading his tweets.

  • @Philipmmmm
    @Philipmmmm 7 месяцев назад

    Chris there are 5 Swiss Chalets in Calgary currently. Airdrie used to have one a few years ago but has since shut down . I also love Swiss Chalet !!

  • @KinnereyB
    @KinnereyB 3 месяца назад +1

    Chris VV should have taken Steiner math class, factored in Kurt Angle, then he would understand why Celsius and Fahrenheit have to cross over at some point. Rise over run to find the slope VV. Rise over run

  • @Ironcabbit
    @Ironcabbit 2 месяца назад

    Always wanted to see him in heel tag team with Chris Benoit called Fortis Et Libre.

  • @LazarSoljaga
    @LazarSoljaga 6 месяцев назад

    I beieve it was a match against Triple H that the Half-Crab was called the Straight Shooter.
    I saw it on RUclips a while back.

  • @MonoGrinded
    @MonoGrinded 7 месяцев назад

    The segment about pin attempts needs to be a clip!!

  • @thenewnostalgia
    @thenewnostalgia 7 месяцев назад +2

    Lance should have been a top guy then and would have been a top guy now.

    • @DonaldMeyers-v8c
      @DonaldMeyers-v8c 7 месяцев назад

      Pretty much. He's a buff Bryan Danielson

  • @CadChamberlain
    @CadChamberlain 6 месяцев назад

    "I dont like gimmick names"
    "call it the half-crab"

  • @davidblank420
    @davidblank420 7 месяцев назад +1

    Lance is the goat

  • @smoothpoon86
    @smoothpoon86 7 месяцев назад +1

    “The Edgelicious”

  • @kev13nyc
    @kev13nyc 7 месяцев назад

    LS & BH are on another level of PROFESSIONAL WRESTLING….