I was about write this. Now I just have to point out that manufacturers of home electronics are most active current users of this invention by Black Sabbath
So interesting how breakdowns mean something in the metal scene, but means something very different in the EDM scene. And EDM breakdown is what happens right before the drop, when lots of the main instruments cut out, and its really chill and atmospheric. It's the calm before the storm. In metal, breakdowns seem to be the heavyist part.
@7:51 those ARE chugs when you're hearing the Sabbath Bloody Sabbath breakdown. They just didn't have the high gain, overdrive pedals back then. Have any modern metal band play that same riff note for note and it'll be as heavy as whale balls.
The breakdown in Sabbath Bloody Sabbath 10,000% includes the chugs! The kind of chugs that inspired Metallica and Megadeth, who in turn influenced Slayer.
@@italozanoti7180 by definition, yes. A chug doesn't have to be a palm muted open E string. It's not that complicated. That said, the breakdown of SBS is distinctly different from the main riff in Paranoid and much more chuggy... it even sounds chuggy. That's all a chug needs to be called a chug.
15:53 it’s funny how they’ll say Domination was the first breakdown to be played slower when Primal Concrete Sledge was the 2nd track on that whole album, and that entire song was basically a breakdown.
Arguably Sabbath Bloody Sabbath has the first “metal breakdown “ when that riff kicks in at 3:20 for 1973 that section of the song is hard as a coffin nail
Bulldoze still goes so hard after all these years. Simple tough guy beatdown chugs still make me run through a wall more than all of complex modern metalcore breakdowns.
1. Raining Blood 2. Sepultura- Dead Embryonic Cells That’s how it went for me Finn you’re also 100% right about Domination. Literally nobody talked about it at the time. It took approx 20 years for that revisionism to creep in
I've always thought the (metal) breakdown had most to do with tempo - as in half-time, quarter-time, or otherwise significantly slower than the original tempo. As such, Raining Blood was the first example that came to mind for me too.
Hardcore kids worshipping Pantera in the 90's in California was DEFINITELY a thing. Throwdown were HUGE Pantera fans. Literally every Straight Edge kid I knew was super into Pantera. Especially after Vulgar Display of Power came out. Ironically, every tweaker I knew in the 90s was also a huge Pantera fan.
Pantera in St Louis w Cowboys album was absolutely pounding this area in 89 through well now ... GROOVE METAL to be exact .... so many bad ass breakdowns from Pantera ... Strength beyond Strength.... FknA 🤘🏼
I love thrash, but as more of a child of the 90's, I was bored by shredding and was always waiting for the breakdowns/groove. It's super over done these days, but it really was so new in the 90's
The reason that Domination breakdown has been given so much more significance than it had at the time? Pantera was the main influence on most of the Metal core/NWOAHM/Nu Metal bands. They took the torch.
The first breakdowns that really stood out to me were on “Strap It On” by Helmet. There was no solo, just chunky banging. Dime’s solos always outshined the Pantera breakdowns.
Page took downtuning and chunk and sorta redefined it, at least what it had been up to that point. I think Helmet was WAY more influential than they get credit for...
@@jsan2548 that’s a funny observation…I loved Helmet, and was my first High School band in the 90’s when I found them. Bands like Fugazi and all the hardcore stuff that was still underground.
Totally agree on Dimebag’s solo’s , they were always my favourite thing about Pantera followed by the nasty breakdown on Strength Beyond Strength (which i always felt) dwarfed the Domination breakdown.
I'm with you on Slayer, but Machine Head's Davidian and Sepultura War for Territory were my all time favorite breakdowns! Of course Pantera had some of the best breakdowns ever🤘
The first "breakdown" I ever heard was the end part of New Direction by Gorilla Biscuits. I first heard it in 2003 in Grade 9. Not saying that's the first, but that's the first breakdown I ever heard.
@11:20 I came out of mosh retirement at 39 years old after a 15 year break at a Turnstile show and I got busted in the ribs AND caught the coronavirus. I called my parents who are a doctor and nurse to see if I should go to the ER or urgent care because still my ribs were still very painful a week later. My mom said, " go to urgent care. I hope you've learned your lesson because you're too old to jumping around like that and going crazy at concerts." Got my ribs x-ray'd at urgent care and it was fine. I told the PA and nurse what my mom said, and the PA said, "you're a young man in terrific shape. You tell your mom that we said that you can still go in the 'slam pit' if you want!" Top urgent care visit of all-time (at least in my life, lol)!
Definitely not the first, but that Sepultura Chaos AD record was just breakdown after breakdown and really started the breakdown breakdown, and the breakdown within the breakdown
Dead Embryonic Cells is like the first of their breakdown. Others have started doing breakdowns by the time Chaos AD came around. Having Said that Sepultura did the breakdowns the best. Roots bloody roots is like the heaviest breakdown I've ever heard.
these guys idea of breakdown is chugging the lowest string with using no brain cells I guess, no offense to the bands do that, I can not deny that it sounds good when it's done good.
I agree about the Pantera point, I’d argue Dimebag would admit he was heavily inspired by Slayer for their breakdowns because they listed Metallica and Slayer for their inspiration to go heavy in the 90’s. Pantera is important for modern bands but in regards to the 90’s when they started blowing up people were still losing their minds to Slayer and Dime was one of those people
Even the Punk houses I lived in during the 90s could sing the lyrics to Reign in Blood in it's entirety .. It's interesting albums that were so good they resonated through every scene. Another one from memory was Black Sunday by Cypress Hill and the first 3 Public Enemy albums, and obviously Nirvana and Soundgarden. You should do an ep. on the subject Finn
I don’t know how Metal Injection messed up this bad lol, Children of the Grave off of Master of Reality (1971) is the first breakdown at the 2:20 mark. Sabbath Bloody Sabbath doesn’t even go into half time, which is a really important part of a breakdown
Exactly Hardcore Punk started it Remember Finn, Thrash Metal bands like Slayer were heavily influenced by Punk, That influence is what divided Speed Metal into 2 different genres by1984. Thrash was described as incorporating a Punk sound & Speed maintained it's Traditional Metal influence.
The casual general contempt he expresses for his own audience and metalheads in general is one of the reasons I find him so entertaining. It's actually pretty funny when we're all assumed to be racist, misogynistic, socially awkward neckbeards who don't actually know any good music or history...also a bit sad that that's a real stereotype for a reason, but hey, at least some of the time he's just being sarcastic in his offhanded condescension. For those too obtuse to get the gist of this comment, 😉, I genuinely enjoy his content, even if I don't always agree with all his takes. As someone who loves metal, the metalhead shaming is just the icing on the cake lol
Raining Blood's breakdown is legendary. My old hardcore/punk band totally used that style of breakdown in the late 90's, along with other techniques from metal bands. We even had a song where we opened with a galloping guitar chug, Iron Maiden style. We never bullshit around over whether it was more punk, metal, ska, hardcore, etc...we just played what we thought sounded cool or evoked the emotion we wanted to push through our music. None of it was ground breaking, but it was fun as hell to play at shows.
Cro-mags Age of Quarrel came out September 1986, chalked full of breakdowns....Then shortly there after, Reign in Blood came out a few months later. And personally....the breakdown in Angel of Death is more brutal than that of Reign in Blood.
Yo, for real. When he popped up for that brief moment, I was like, "Oh shit! Goldie?! Wait, he got breakdowns!!?" I was a bit confused, and even more so by the time the documentary ended. Because there is only one brief mention of breakdowns incorporating some dubstep elements, but there was absolutely no mention of anything drum&bass related, at all. And throughout that whole doc, there was nothing that even pertained to Goldie, whatsoever. Weird.
@@jonathanporter5223 they probably just included him in there because he’s a well known DJ and producer? A fun topic to explore in my opinion would be to compare the differences between breakdowns in metal and in electronic music, because the meaning of that particular part is so drastically different between the two. I recently made a DnB remix of a friend’s metal track and i managed to make a breakdown that fits both genres’ aesthetic of the part!
The reason Meshuggah probably wasn’t listed is because yes, while I agree Bleed is one of the most influential metal songs ever, no one really knew about Meshuggah until the late 2010’s and early 2020’s with djent metal bands becoming popular
The late 2010's? Bleed was released in 2008. Meshuggah had already established a strong following by 1994-95 with the release of Destroy Erase Improve. The modern metal "sound" comes straight from Meshuggah. There's footage of them in the clip lol. They absolutely should have been on this list.
The earliest song I know that actually has what I would consider a breakdown comparable to something you’d hear in modern metal is Roots Bloody Roots by Sepultura. I hear people say Slayer had them, but really it’s usually just a half time riff that people are calling a breakdown.
@@italozanoti7180 I just think that song has the actual stoppage and buildup before it drops that we hear in most modern breakdowns which I think is integral to most breakdowns.
@@alexschneider8494 yes, one of the first without the classic thrash Slayer vibe. Dead Embrionic Cells breckdown is very thrashy but chugs and Groove way harder than domination
Not all EDM genres call it Drop, in Trance they actually call it Breakdown as well. There it is basically everything stops and you build up the beat and soundscape back up from there.
SLAYER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so many hardcore bands in the 90s where using chopped up slayer riffs n breakdowns they could do a doc on the evolution of chopped up slayer riffs lol
Slayer may have pioneered the boring one-note chugging breakdown with Raining Blood, but Megadeth's The Conjuring had the first modern example of the slow and nasty riff breakdown
Always Megadeth fans atributing things they didnt invent to megadeth like the "Spider chord". I was listening to the whole Conjuring song expecting anything heavy then the song ended before going nowhere.
@@CodyCockyote7046 lmao alright man. It's not the binary code chugga chugga that people think of now, but the section starting ~3:00 is very clearly a breakdown
In my own interpretation of how breakdown got popularized and influenced the overall metal genre, i think that Kashmir by Led Zeppelin is a prime example of it's integration in a "heavier" context. You have the half time beat, the punched guitar accent.... the base recipe of modern metal breakdowns. I was born in 1983 and the first metal breakdown i remember hearing is Domination by Pantera when i was in 4th grade elementary school. Discovered Slayer afterward and recognized that they where popularizing that type of groove way before anyone else in the "to come" modern metal scenes. But yeah.... Led Zep are the seed that brought breakdowns as we know it in the heavier genre that would appear later on. Meshuggah... been a fan since their column in GuitarWorld called "Tempo Metal", in my view of their influence, Future Breed Machine is the defining moment of Meshuggah influencing the metal scene as a whole. Not taking anything away from Bleed or the whole Obzen album (which the song Obzen is an absolute master piece and my favorite on that record) but it's their natural evolution/progression from the template they laid out with the album Destroy, Erase, Improve.
Idk I never considered that part In raining blood a breakdown. I know I'll get shit but for me a breakdown has a slight pause and is kinda an unexpected left turn from the groove of the song. I know domination gets flack for not being the first but damn. How the solo slows down and there's that pause followed by that crushing open note chug. That's a the breakdown if it ever heard one.
The end of the Type O Negative and Hatebreed show in San Antonio at Sunset Station where Type O opened for Hatebreed and at the end of the show there was. 5 ambulances lined up was how a show like that ends
Sepultura with Dead Embryonic Cells and Desperate Cry both had gnarly breakdowns that caught my attention when that came out . But that is off the top of my head . But I remember cranking that on my stereo and in my friend's totally banging car stereo ! If you sat in the back seats its like you were getting an intense massage lol !
I'm about to watch the video but it better be Sabbath Bloody Sabbath. Also, Escape by Metallica is an underrated gem that definitely contains an early breakdown.
In early 00s a way for me to defirntiate between death metal and deathcore, was the breakdown. BTW isn't Creeping Death 1984 a song with a breakdown, The Kirk Exodus ''Die'' riff?
Finn. You are the fucking man.and in my opinion one of the best sources for hard music knowledge history news and opinions.you don't use or reference only better known bands but you use more obscure bands as reference helping to broaden many people's music choices. I know i have found many a band from watching your vids.so that said KEEP BEING THE FUCKING MAC DADDY OF METAL AND HARDCORE.and I'll stay being a cult level fanatic. Ps.SLAYERS REIGHN IN BLOOD was definitely the start and iconic on so many levels.slayer are true pioneers of hard and fast P.s.s.SOMETIMES YOU GOTTA MEAT GAZE.I MEAN ITS JUST RUDE NOT TO... WERE LOOKING AT YOU MR.3RD LEG" LETO AKA 30 SECONDS TO VAGINAL RECONSTRUCTION LMAO LOVE GOOD BLESS TO ALL MY METAL FAMILY KEEP ROCKING AND HAPPY SPANKSGIVINGS TO YOU ALL
By definition, can a breakdown in a song be faster than what precedes it? I am trying to remember my first breakdown, and wondering if the part in "Inner Self" by Sepultura counts when the tempo increases (around 2:45 of that song)
When we were in high school in the early 90s, we were discovering slayer and early thrash bands. We would walk around the hallways playing slayer on the lockers. Most specifically reign in blood from the decade of aggression. Double live album. I would do that done done done part and then my friend will be two lockers behind me doing the same thing and soon we’d have two or three guys doing the thunder from the rain in blood, then by the end of the hallway, with all the headbanging to the music in our head.
22:32 I can't tell when you're being ironic and/or sarcastic or not anymore, but if you're being serious, here's a big "Hell yeah, brother!" right back at you on this one.
If you played someone that Sabbath song, then played them a song with a modern breakdown, I don't think anyone unfamiliar with the genre would connect the dots.
I don't think it's that metal heads caught on to what the kids were into I think it's that the kids grew up to be the new metal head taste makers, and that's why break downs are now part of metal culture forever
Would anyone also accept the term "slams"? Idk how old the video is but, suffocation was talking about the difference between slams and breakdowns. And one of them said the word breakdown is overused. Thoughts?
First one I remember.. Here's an order; Four horsemen Die by the sword A.I.R Then came the next step with S.O.D was 1985 Reign in blood was 86 along with MOP, Overkill comes on the scene in85 The guys in Anthrax probably developed it the most in the beginning with stormtroopers of Death and then Among the Living was quintessential thrash album which was early 87
I think the end of The Trial by Pink Floyd is a really good example of an early breakdown. Finn, if you've never listened to it, and have time...give it a chance! Happy Thanksgiving.
“Their tabs are in binary” “their tabs look like cheerios”- every metal nerd in 2010 when a band played a breakdown
Emmure: 000 0000 000
0s are the best lol
God I love breakdowns, it's the crack of music, as much as I hate that term I don't know how else to portray it
@@lightningmonky7674I'm the exact opposite, I'm very tired of them
‘Their tabs are binary’ fucks hard
I like this guy’s reaction, he should make his own very opinionated videos about metal sub genres.
That’s most of his RUclips Im pretty sure
@@Yesenia-qo2be No it's not.
@@jackblack486wdym? I mean that’s why I subbed to him
@@Yesenia-qo2be No you didn't bro stop lying.
@@jackblack486 why would I lie💀 but nvm then
First breakdown is in the first metal song Black Sabbath. Their next breakdown was in Children of the Grave
The break down in sabbath bloody sabbath around the 3 20 mark is heavy.
I was about write this. Now I just have to point out that manufacturers of home electronics are most active current users of this invention by Black Sabbath
I think Children of the Grave is the most similar to a modern metal breakdown.. They just don't milk the breakdown like modern metal bands do
I don't care how many times you repeat your content, i will always watch. You are my favorite thing on the Internet
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So interesting how breakdowns mean something in the metal scene, but means something very different in the EDM scene. And EDM breakdown is what happens right before the drop, when lots of the main instruments cut out, and its really chill and atmospheric. It's the calm before the storm. In metal, breakdowns seem to be the heavyist part.
Great comment!
@7:51 those ARE chugs when you're hearing the Sabbath Bloody Sabbath breakdown. They just didn't have the high gain, overdrive pedals back then. Have any modern metal band play that same riff note for note and it'll be as heavy as whale balls.
The breakdown in Sabbath Bloody Sabbath 10,000% includes the chugs! The kind of chugs that inspired Metallica and Megadeth, who in turn influenced Slayer.
I don´t think it chugs, palm mutting is not exactly chug
@@italozanoti7180 a chug is just palm muting the root, or pedal, note. Nothing fancy about it.
@@strychen Paranoid is also chug for you?
@@italozanoti7180 by definition, yes. A chug doesn't have to be a palm muted open E string. It's not that complicated.
That said, the breakdown of SBS is distinctly different from the main riff in Paranoid and much more chuggy... it even sounds chuggy. That's all a chug needs to be called a chug.
Agree 100% that riff is definitely chugging. Tony Iommi was way ahead of time
15:53 it’s funny how they’ll say Domination was the first breakdown to be played slower when Primal Concrete Sledge was the 2nd track on that whole album, and that entire song was basically a breakdown.
Arguably Sabbath Bloody Sabbath has the first “metal breakdown “ when that riff kicks in at 3:20 for 1973 that section of the song is hard as a coffin nail
Bulldoze still goes so hard after all these years. Simple tough guy beatdown chugs still make me run through a wall more than all of complex modern metalcore breakdowns.
Overrated
I'll have to check em out!
The hardcore bands with more attachment to the 90s punk scene didn’t care about being technical and it makes a difference
They were just ripping of 90s death metal tbh
They been playing some reunion shows with a new singer. There live vids on hate 5 six
1. Raining Blood
2. Sepultura- Dead Embryonic Cells
That’s how it went for me
Finn you’re also 100% right about Domination. Literally nobody talked about it at the time. It took approx 20 years for that revisionism to creep in
The breakdown in Dead Embryonic Cells hits so hard
Also keep in mind how many great breakdowns Overlill had on “The Years of Decay”:
Time to Kill
Evil Never Dies
Birth of Tension
Who Tends the Fire
Domination became popular because people saw their live in Russia domination video on youtube.. that is why
The breakdown in Suffer The Children from Napalm Death is the best 90s metal genre breakdown, in my opinion!!
I've always thought the (metal) breakdown had most to do with tempo - as in half-time, quarter-time, or otherwise significantly slower than the original tempo. As such, Raining Blood was the first example that came to mind for me too.
so the drummer can catch his breath!
Yeah I'm with you the tempo changes and typically the guitar would follow on beat with the tempo and the bass would fill in the gaps
To Live Is To Die by Metallica has the first ultimate breakdown
Hardcore kids worshipping Pantera in the 90's in California was DEFINITELY a thing. Throwdown were HUGE Pantera fans. Literally every Straight Edge kid I knew was super into Pantera. Especially after Vulgar Display of Power came out. Ironically, every tweaker I knew in the 90s was also a huge Pantera fan.
In the UK where I'm from all the pantera kids where all edge lords funny how the universe turns out most of them are addicted to herorin now
Pantera in St Louis w Cowboys album was absolutely pounding this area in 89 through well now ... GROOVE METAL to be exact .... so many bad ass breakdowns from Pantera ... Strength beyond Strength.... FknA 🤘🏼
@@metalmaniaclukeuk I'll attest to that, most of the Pantera fans I knew were complete knuckle draggers. :)
I love thrash, but as more of a child of the 90's, I was bored by shredding and was always waiting for the breakdowns/groove. It's super over done these days, but it really was so new in the 90's
Be that guy, Finn. Be the nerd we know you can be.
That cant make anything neq and remakes his videos again and again...be that guy
For how much Finn hates on nerds, he's the nerdiest music RUclipsr I know.
Bro you've been on a tear lately. All these recent vids have been S tier. Keep em up.
‘……I don’t wanna be that guy…’, but is that guy for over 23min (and I like it)
The reason that Domination breakdown has been given so much more significance than it had at the time?
Pantera was the main influence on most of the Metal core/NWOAHM/Nu Metal bands. They took the torch.
This is probably right
The first breakdowns that really stood out to me were on “Strap It On” by Helmet. There was no solo, just chunky banging. Dime’s solos always outshined the Pantera breakdowns.
Page took downtuning and chunk and sorta redefined it, at least what it had been up to that point. I think Helmet was WAY more influential than they get credit for...
Everyone I knew who was into Helmet also played in bands.
@@jsan2548 that’s a funny observation…I loved Helmet, and was my first High School band in the 90’s when I found them. Bands like Fugazi and all the hardcore stuff that was still underground.
Totally agree on Dimebag’s solo’s , they were always my favourite thing about Pantera followed by the nasty breakdown on Strength Beyond Strength (which i always felt) dwarfed the Domination breakdown.
I'm with you on Slayer, but Machine Head's Davidian and Sepultura War for Territory were my all time favorite breakdowns! Of course Pantera had some of the best breakdowns ever🤘
Try Sepultura Dead Embryonic cells
The first "breakdown" I ever heard was the end part of New Direction by Gorilla Biscuits. I first heard it in 2003 in Grade 9. Not saying that's the first, but that's the first breakdown I ever heard.
My favorite part of any thrash metal song...."WAR DANCE!"
Anthrax- Indians was a definite metal breakdown
That's the first that came to my mind too.
A.I.R
17:00 Arguing about bs that doesnt matter is the foundation of this channel
@11:20 I came out of mosh retirement at 39 years old after a 15 year break at a Turnstile show and I got busted in the ribs AND caught the coronavirus. I called my parents who are a doctor and nurse to see if I should go to the ER or urgent care because still my ribs were still very painful a week later. My mom said, " go to urgent care. I hope you've learned your lesson because you're too old to jumping around like that and going crazy at concerts."
Got my ribs x-ray'd at urgent care and it was fine. I told the PA and nurse what my mom said, and the PA said, "you're a young man in terrific shape. You tell your mom that we said that you can still go in the 'slam pit' if you want!" Top urgent care visit of all-time (at least in my life, lol)!
Sepultura's album Chaos A.D. definitely had some heavy breakdowns
Arise was even better.
I agree!!!
We need that POST BRAKEDOWN CLARITY hoodie
Is it breakdown or brakedown? Which one would you buy?
Definitely not the first, but that Sepultura Chaos AD record was just breakdown after breakdown and really started the breakdown breakdown, and the breakdown within the breakdown
Even some of Sepultura's earlier material kept popping into mind for me. Sorta surprised that they haven't been coming up more here.
Dead Embryonic Cells is like the first of their breakdown. Others have started doing breakdowns by the time Chaos AD came around. Having Said that Sepultura did the breakdowns the best. Roots bloody roots is like the heaviest breakdown I've ever heard.
Huge slayer fan, but creeping death had an immense breakdown, so did 4 horsemen.
these guys idea of breakdown is chugging the lowest string with using no brain cells I guess, no offense to the bands do that, I can not deny that it sounds good when it's done good.
I agree.
Yeah,,the four horse men was the first one,,,
I agree about the Pantera point, I’d argue Dimebag would admit he was heavily inspired by Slayer for their breakdowns because they listed Metallica and Slayer for their inspiration to go heavy in the 90’s. Pantera is important for modern bands but in regards to the 90’s when they started blowing up people were still losing their minds to Slayer and Dime was one of those people
yes, also a major influence for Sepultura breakdows that for me is way groovier and creative than Domination
I think Pantera was what pushed breakdowns forward and really made it a "thing"
Even the Punk houses I lived in during the 90s could sing the lyrics to Reign in Blood in it's entirety .. It's interesting albums that were so good they resonated through every scene. Another one from memory was Black Sunday by Cypress Hill and the first 3 Public Enemy albums, and obviously Nirvana and Soundgarden. You should do an ep. on the subject Finn
Black Sabbath period. In particular the breakdown riff in sabbath bloody sabbath is the most “traditional” sounding breakdown
Idk, children of the grave is pretty damn close.
@@Mu4dD1b15 If you’re gonna go early I’d say Electric Funeral from Paranoid though I do agree the children started to mosh bro
@@jhala27lord of this world
I remember a time when after the second chorus there was a bridge not a breakdown.
I don’t know how Metal Injection messed up this bad lol, Children of the Grave off of Master of Reality (1971) is the first breakdown at the 2:20 mark. Sabbath Bloody Sabbath doesn’t even go into half time, which is a really important part of a breakdown
Dude the “post nut” slip followed by the broadcast maintenance beep had me DYING
1970 Creedence Clearwater Revival - Lookin' Out My Backdoor. That was a punk rock breakdown before punk rock existed.
me: Sorry I'm late, I had a breakdown.
boss: Is your car ok now though?
me: What car?
boss:
me:
Exactly Hardcore Punk started it Remember Finn, Thrash Metal bands like Slayer were heavily influenced by Punk, That influence is what divided Speed Metal into 2 different genres by1984. Thrash was described as incorporating a Punk sound & Speed maintained it's Traditional Metal influence.
Holy shit what Finn must think of his audience to have to explain who Malcolm X was
The casual general contempt he expresses for his own audience and metalheads in general is one of the reasons I find him so entertaining. It's actually pretty funny when we're all assumed to be racist, misogynistic, socially awkward neckbeards who don't actually know any good music or history...also a bit sad that that's a real stereotype for a reason, but hey, at least some of the time he's just being sarcastic in his offhanded condescension. For those too obtuse to get the gist of this comment, 😉, I genuinely enjoy his content, even if I don't always agree with all his takes. As someone who loves metal, the metalhead shaming is just the icing on the cake lol
@@amphibeingmcshpongletron5026i act like this and do this.
that whole section was cringe
Raining Blood's breakdown is legendary. My old hardcore/punk band totally used that style of breakdown in the late 90's, along with other techniques from metal bands. We even had a song where we opened with a galloping guitar chug, Iron Maiden style. We never bullshit around over whether it was more punk, metal, ska, hardcore, etc...we just played what we thought sounded cool or evoked the emotion we wanted to push through our music. None of it was ground breaking, but it was fun as hell to play at shows.
Earth Crisis crawled so Hatebreed could walk so Emmure could run.
I'm just here for the "post breakdown clarity"
Cro-mags Age of Quarrel came out September 1986, chalked full of breakdowns....Then shortly there after, Reign in Blood came out a few months later. And personally....the breakdown in Angel of Death is more brutal than that of Reign in Blood.
My top 2 bands.
ADTR and TDWP deserve to be mentioned as far as breakdowns go
My favorite is that middle part in Dead Embryonic Cells by Sepultura with Max going "un, dos, tres, CUAAAAAA!!"🤘🏼💀
How about a video on finch's album, what it is to burn?
damn, i second this
5:34 you know the simulation is broken when Goldie appears in a video about breakdowns!! ❤
Yo, for real. When he popped up for that brief moment, I was like, "Oh shit! Goldie?! Wait, he got breakdowns!!?"
I was a bit confused, and even more so by the time the documentary ended. Because there is only one brief mention of breakdowns incorporating some dubstep elements, but there was absolutely no mention of anything drum&bass related, at all. And throughout that whole doc, there was nothing that even pertained to Goldie, whatsoever.
Weird.
@@jonathanporter5223 they probably just included him in there because he’s a well known DJ and producer?
A fun topic to explore in my opinion would be to compare the differences between breakdowns in metal and in electronic music, because the meaning of that particular part is so drastically different between the two.
I recently made a DnB remix of a friend’s metal track and i managed to make a breakdown that fits both genres’ aesthetic of the part!
The reason Meshuggah probably wasn’t listed is because yes, while I agree Bleed is one of the most influential metal songs ever, no one really knew about Meshuggah until the late 2010’s and early 2020’s with djent metal bands becoming popular
The late 2010's? Bleed was released in 2008. Meshuggah had already established a strong following by 1994-95 with the release of Destroy Erase Improve. The modern metal "sound" comes straight from Meshuggah. There's footage of them in the clip lol. They absolutely should have been on this list.
Breakdowns hit my radar with "Blistered" by Strife. It was at that moment I decided they were my favorite thing in rock. This is still true
Angermeans is a top 5 hardcore album for me
I like to pretend that the vanilla fudge song set me free is the first metal song with breakdowns
*the song is You Keep Me Hanging On and it rules.
There's a disbuting lack of Sepultura in this video.
Best Music Video ✅
Very understandable ✅
Very epic music ✅
No bad words ✅
No inappropriate images ✅
No autotune ✅
No Swedish Songwriters ✅
No Trap Drums ✅
Just Rock N’Roll ✅
0% violence
0% twerking
0% guns
100% metal🤘🏼💀
"probably everybody knows this" - Things Finn says just before teaching me something I definitely did not know. 😂
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Domination by Pantera made the breakdown Wayyy more idolized after the monsters of rock tour
"Argueing about bullshit that doesn't matter and talking about metal, literaly the same thing!"
-Finn Mckenty
7:51 Those ARE chugs, a palm muted breakdown riff in 1973, they simply didn't have the guitar distortion we have today.
King was just playing the controversy card. Genius marketer
The earliest song I know that actually has what I would consider a breakdown comparable to something you’d hear in modern metal is Roots Bloody Roots by Sepultura. I hear people say Slayer had them, but really it’s usually just a half time riff that people are calling a breakdown.
yes I agree, Sepultura put much more groove than Pantera in the game
@@italozanoti7180 I just think that song has the actual stoppage and buildup before it drops that we hear in most modern breakdowns which I think is integral to most breakdowns.
@@alexschneider8494 yes, one of the first without the classic thrash Slayer vibe. Dead Embrionic Cells breckdown is very thrashy but chugs and Groove way harder than domination
Not all EDM genres call it Drop, in Trance they actually call it Breakdown as well. There it is basically everything stops and you build up the beat and soundscape back up from there.
In riddim, deathstep and tearout too. But that's because those EDM genres are heavily influenced by metal.
What about the break in Dazed and Confused? That buildup was incredible
SLAYER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so many hardcore bands in the 90s where using chopped up slayer riffs n breakdowns they could do a doc on the evolution of chopped up slayer riffs lol
Slayer may have pioneered the boring one-note chugging breakdown with Raining Blood, but Megadeth's The Conjuring had the first modern example of the slow and nasty riff breakdown
Always Megadeth fans atributing things they didnt invent to megadeth like the "Spider chord". I was listening to the whole Conjuring song expecting anything heavy then the song ended before going nowhere.
@@CodyCockyote7046 lmao alright man. It's not the binary code chugga chugga that people think of now, but the section starting ~3:00 is very clearly a breakdown
In my own interpretation of how breakdown got popularized and influenced the overall metal genre, i think that Kashmir by Led Zeppelin is a prime example of it's integration in a "heavier" context. You have the half time beat, the punched guitar accent.... the base recipe of modern metal breakdowns. I was born in 1983 and the first metal breakdown i remember hearing is Domination by Pantera when i was in 4th grade elementary school. Discovered Slayer afterward and recognized that they where popularizing that type of groove way before anyone else in the "to come" modern metal scenes.
But yeah.... Led Zep are the seed that brought breakdowns as we know it in the heavier genre that would appear later on.
Meshuggah... been a fan since their column in GuitarWorld called "Tempo Metal", in my view of their influence, Future Breed Machine is the defining moment of Meshuggah influencing the metal scene as a whole. Not taking anything away from Bleed or the whole Obzen album (which the song Obzen is an absolute master piece and my favorite on that record) but it's their natural evolution/progression from the template they laid out with the album Destroy, Erase, Improve.
Dino Caesars said the breakdown on One gave him the epiphany for the sound that he's famous for in Fear Factory.
I find it odd how little mention bluegrass gets in the evolution of breakdowns
Idk I never considered that part In raining blood a breakdown. I know I'll get shit but for me a breakdown has a slight pause and is kinda an unexpected left turn from the groove of the song. I know domination gets flack for not being the first but damn. How the solo slows down and there's that pause followed by that crushing open note chug. That's a the breakdown if it ever heard one.
I didn’t know I needed to hear that Finn also meat gazes… nice.
The end of the Type O Negative and Hatebreed show in San Antonio at Sunset Station where Type O opened for Hatebreed and at the end of the show there was. 5 ambulances lined up was how a show like that ends
Happy Thanksgiving!
This may sound a little out there, but The Beatles "She's So Heavy" has some massive breakdowns.
Dude, I love kilts. Super comfy and no ball sweat.
Sepultura with Dead Embryonic Cells and Desperate Cry both had gnarly breakdowns that caught my attention when that came out . But that is off the top of my head . But I remember cranking that on my stereo and in my friend's totally banging car stereo ! If you sat in the back seats its like you were getting an intense massage lol !
How did Raining blood and One not come into my head first ? LOL !!
I forgot about "slam dancing", hahaha, you're killing me. HELL YEAH BROTHER!
I'm about to watch the video but it better be Sabbath Bloody Sabbath. Also, Escape by Metallica is an underrated gem that definitely contains an early breakdown.
In early 00s a way for me to defirntiate between death metal and deathcore, was the breakdown. BTW isn't Creeping Death 1984 a song with a breakdown, The Kirk Exodus ''Die'' riff?
The Negotiator by Parkway Drive was the first time I can remember a breakdown catching my attention and then wanting to hear more of it.
The voice clips at the end of your videos are hilarious.
Anthrax's second (criminally underrated) album "Spreading the Disease" have a number of breakdowns. 1985.
Finn name dropping Emmure always kills me 🤣💀
Finn. You are the fucking man.and in my opinion one of the best sources for hard music knowledge history news and opinions.you don't use or reference only better known bands but you use more obscure bands as reference helping to broaden many people's music choices. I know i have found many a band from watching your vids.so that said KEEP BEING THE FUCKING MAC DADDY OF METAL AND HARDCORE.and I'll stay being a cult level fanatic.
Ps.SLAYERS REIGHN IN BLOOD was definitely the start and iconic on so many levels.slayer are true pioneers of hard and fast
P.s.s.SOMETIMES YOU GOTTA MEAT GAZE.I MEAN ITS JUST RUDE NOT TO...
WERE LOOKING AT YOU MR.3RD LEG" LETO AKA 30 SECONDS TO VAGINAL RECONSTRUCTION LMAO
LOVE GOOD BLESS TO ALL MY METAL FAMILY KEEP ROCKING AND HAPPY SPANKSGIVINGS TO YOU ALL
By definition, can a breakdown in a song be faster than what precedes it? I am trying to remember my first breakdown, and wondering if the part in "Inner Self" by Sepultura counts when the tempo increases (around 2:45 of that song)
I don't think so. I just listened to it twice and none of it sounds anything like a breakdown.
@@Mu4dD1b15 Gotcha thanks for the clarification 👍
When we were in high school in the early 90s, we were discovering slayer and early thrash bands. We would walk around the hallways playing slayer on the lockers. Most specifically reign in blood from the decade of aggression. Double live album. I would do that done done done part and then my friend will be two lockers behind me doing the same thing and soon we’d have two or three guys doing the thunder from the rain in blood, then by the end of the hallway, with all the headbanging to the music in our head.
Morbid Angel "Chapel Of Ghouls" has one of the sickest breakdowns EVER!! 🤘
Yes!
Hendrix mimiking machine gun fire might be an early early influence too.
Greatest breakdown of all time, tho... Eighteen Visions "Tower of Snakes". Fight me in the pit
22:32 I can't tell when you're being ironic and/or sarcastic or not anymore, but if you're being serious, here's a big "Hell yeah, brother!" right back at you on this one.
If you played someone that Sabbath song, then played them a song with a modern breakdown, I don't think anyone unfamiliar with the genre would connect the dots.
Autopsy had some crazy breakdowns in their early stuff too
I might be wrong but does Eddie Van Helene’s guitar contribution in Michael Jacksons Beat It count as a breakdown around the 2:22 mark
I swear I've heard this guy's voice read a Thomas Sowell audiobook. 😂
Blew my mind hearing Dark Angel do the thing "One" popularized. From the Darkness Descends album. I love Lars but it screams pillaged to me
I don't think it's that metal heads caught on to what the kids were into I think it's that the kids grew up to be the new metal head taste makers, and that's why break downs are now part of metal culture forever
Bad Brains - Shitfit is pretty breakdown-y, especially on Black Dots, which probably reflects what they sounded like live in 1979 before they sped up
Metallica's "One" is one of the earliest breakdowns I know of and blew my mind as a kid
Is it a breakdown if the BPM multiplies? Lol.
First breakdown was CCR Lookin Out My Backdoor 2 minutes in.
That’s just going half time
Would anyone also accept the term "slams"? Idk how old the video is but, suffocation was talking about the difference between slams and breakdowns. And one of them said the word breakdown is overused.
Thoughts?
First one I remember..
Here's an order;
Four horsemen
Die by the sword
A.I.R
Then came the next step with
S.O.D was 1985
Reign in blood was 86 along with MOP, Overkill comes on the scene in85
The guys in Anthrax probably developed it the most in the beginning with stormtroopers of Death and then Among the Living was quintessential thrash album which was early 87
Reign in Blood was 1986!!!
Creed invented breakdowns.
You know it.
My sister always said Creed singer had a "slug" voice. She said she always imagined Scott Stapp or even Eddie Vedder a giant slug singing.
I think the end of The Trial by Pink Floyd is a really good example of an early breakdown. Finn, if you've never listened to it, and have time...give it a chance! Happy Thanksgiving.