Dear Ladies from The Take, I love the work you do to help us looking behind a character or a stereotype. Can you please please please take "Jane the Virgin" in consideration for your analysis? There's so much to discuss in there and I would love to hear your opinion about it!
@@sarroumarbeu6810 I think it’s referring to that belief ( or secret hope) that many ppl have just by virtue of being ppl that they’re this super special unicorn that the world just can’t handle. There are actual differences between ppl obviously but I assume it’s not referring to like biology 😂
It was never about loving or hating things though. it was always about feeling superior. Hipsters' and gatekeepers' (same diff) one major flaw is that, for all their supposed intellect and refined "taste", they ignore the very obvious fact that art (movies, music etc.) is completely subjective. Their limp attempts to try and attach tangible measurements of quality (always based on their own ideals I might add) just reeks of a severe inferiority complex.
@@Annihilated481 For my own selfish reasons I am glad when more people like the things I like. If it's a TV show I like and does not get enough viewers, it gets cancelled. But if enough people watch it, they make more seasons. If it's music I like, I want the artists to make a living so I am always encouraging friends to check out their music. And for physical products like food or makeup, it always seems that my favorite things get discontinued, so I want my faves to be at least popular enough that the companies will keep making them!
LED, incandescent filament or halogen? In case of LED, they wouldn’t touch it with a ten foot pole. Incandescent: As many as possible to search out the perfect centennial light bulb clone in all the secret vintage scrap stores. Halogen: One to change it and ten to tell the changer they can’t touch the bulb and talk about the “analog nature” of the light.
Please do a Take on the "Cool Loser" Trope, where a funny, intelligent, gorgeous character is presented as FAR less popular than they'd be in reality. Examples include Peter Parker, Seth Cohen or Millie from "Freaky."
My great aunt always used to tell me growing up that "one day we all realize we're just average and that's the best thing that happens to us" and as I grew up, I realized she was totally right! When you realize you're only very special to the people who love you (and that hopefully those people will love you for who you really are), there's no need to try to be a "label". Living as a label is totally exhausting!
Honestly being a hipster should be more of a phase. The worst part about the character type and real life person is their gatekeeper attitude to popular culture. You can like non "mainstream" things and some mainstream things and it doesn't make you any less of a unique individual. It's actually the hipster insistence to define people in wholesale generic categories that feeds their need to denigrate and other to feel special and important. None of us are that important and that's okay.
like this channel divides people into tropes? I think the inherent mistake is to think if something is popular, it must be dumb, or if something is not well known and with low production values, it will be better. That is a deliberate assumption that most people are wrong/ stupid, there is a snobbery there, although this is also a reaction to earlier eras I think, like the 1980s (?), when it was fashionable to look down on people for being poor/ different etc.
kahkah1986 ah I don’t know about this. Maybe some people are just loners and have to sit aside from others. Maybe sharing everything with other people is too intrusive to them so they make choices that equal being different
Hitting back at the hipsters with existential "none of us matter, you are specs of dust living on a rock in the middle of a huge galaxy among so many other galaxies", speech whilst accidentally also sounding a bit hipster but i'm here for those amazing moments lol
Hipsters and gatekeepers are textbook cases of an inferiority complex. They can't bear the notion that what they love dearly might not be equally loved by other people, and this puts some doubt in their mind about their choices. The solution is to make up bullshit rules as a defence mechanism (with them always being on top of course). It's the same folk who don't have the emotional capacity to show love for a thing without simultaneous trashing something else. The "back in my day" group really fall into this category. Like what you like. Dislike what you like. There's no rules.
@@RandRWargaming Joe is a hipster in the way he feels like everyone else is pretentious, meanwhile he is the most judgey, pretentious, skinny jean wearing prick in the show.
I think that the current pandemic is going to create a new generation of “hipsters”. Sitting at home all day with no purpose in life makes you awfully ready to search for one
Especially teens and younger adults will probably end up in this bubble because we’re the ones with the least solidified identities because we’re younger
I swear the last few months I've found so much comfort in existential philosophers and novelists such as Sautre, Beckett and Kafka more than ever before, Gen Z really is going to be a whole lot more cynical than we were already
More specifically, or unspecifically "I'm not like everyone else, I only ironically love Marvel movies and I have a collection of vintage sunglasses and sexual guide books from the 1970s"
I was friends with a hipster who loved everything everyone disliked, and hated everything everyone liked. He also was allowed to have all the opinions, but god forbid I have one over some dumb irrelevant musician.
This is probably the most coherent analysis of the hipster I’ve ever seen, and for an archetype that can be relatively nebulous that’s not such an easy feat. Keep up the good work, ladies :-)
Daria genuinely didn't want to fit in. that was her nightmare. Hipsters basically want to be popular by virtue of their "uniqueness". No. Daria isn't a hipster. She's literally exactly the way I was in high school. My best friend at the time was just like Jane though.
I´ve meet hipster /hipsterish people in real life , some are really nice but a huge bunch were pretentious,obnoxious and had the cooler/wiser/woker than you mindset. I guess the key is embracing the hipster style as an individual thing as long as they don't judge people for being "basic" under their criteria
Always when I run into the pretentious hipster folks I’m like “you know what’s really non-conformist and edgy: liking what you like. Embracing everything basic, cheesy and tropey” Just like what you like 👏
The Lazy Idiot Trope - a guy who is so lazy, immature and very stupid in life but somehow is very lovable and socially intelligent like Nick Miller and Jake Peralta
Featuring: his hot wife who's portrayed as kinda naggy but also smarter and more responsible than him, making them "the perfect match" after all. Somebody really needs to make a movie that starts out as a classic manchild x hot mom replacement kinda story and then ends up completely deconstructing that trope. Starring Adam Sandler and literally any Hollywood actress bc they all have to be the same kind of conventionally attractive to be successful in that rotten town
yes! I'm 39. that's what they were called in the early aughts...then it morphed into hipster. difference is, being an indie kid was cool and unique and respected, but hipster has a negative connotation and they are a joke. Haven't heard either in a while though. thanks for the trip down memory lane😊
Hipsterism is pretty simple to understand: young adults, very often obnoxious extroverts, trying to "find themselves" in public view; seeking the attention they feel they're entitled to for being such an "authentic" searcher of the soul. Of course a lot of that self-centered indulgence cloaked as sincere introspection dissipated in 2015 when political problems and societal injustices became increasingly impossible to ignore.
Very good point! This is around the time my own hipsterdom finally died and I started becoming more politically aware while my (now former) BFF was wearing $60 sweatshirts that had feminist phrases emblazoned on the front while simultaneously talking about how sexism isn't a problem anymore, and rhapsodizing about how unique she was for getting tattoos...of illustrations she was lifting off of Pinterest.
I rebelled in art college by being totally normal; no tattoos, graduating in 4 years with a B.F.A., making friends with superficial assholes. Nailed it!
Thats what happened to the hippies im pretty sure (they "sold out" and bought into all that in the 80s). Or at least they became squares. Yuppies were young businessmen/women who started off that way, hence why they're so young and successful.
Most of my daughters friends, w/their tattoos & blue hair tell me they don't want to get married or have children b/c the world is so fukt up. They've been saying that for years. Now, most are in their 30s and have held to it. No marriage/kids. Most hv started their own businesses. T-shirts, stickers, podcasts, graphic art, restaurants, wine bars etc. My daughter does funky 👓 frames They hire more brown ppl, & "hipsters" than the establishment places around town. I think Karens ruined the appeal of yuppiedom for all future generations. 😂
When I was growing up none of the "hipsters" I knew were middle class. They were usually from "working poor" families. I saw a lot of similarities between the hipsters and the punks. Both were mostly made up of otherwise misfits. They picked a style that they could diy or find in thrift stores. Also, liking dumb stuff isn't always for the irony. Sometimes things are just so bad they're good. Like old campy horror films.
Since I live in the hipster capital, Berlin, I can inform you: Yes, hipster can in fact be mainstream. But to be fair: in the beginning it can seem annoying but actually, it is really awesome because it forms an atmosphere where everyone can follow their interests and sense of style, no matter how specific or uncommon.
I wouldn’t consider Jess from Gilmore Girls to be hipster. Hipsters tend to have an identifiable way of dressing and grooming, for one thing. He was more the “bad boy,” with a punk rock attitude. There are lots of characters and types of people who are different, like weird stuff and are loners but aren’t hipster because, besides not looking the part, they like what they like despite the fact that it’s not popular, not because of it. They just don’t care what people think, whereas the hipster, whether they know it or not, cares way too much.
I feel Like singing sea shanties together on tiktok is probably just a product of being couped up in the house alone for 8 months. Not about being a hipster.
Also Tik Tok has kinda changed what something “popular” means. The algorithm groups you with like-minded people and feeds you the same trends and the group repeats the joke to each other until it completely saturates the content everyone in that group consumes. So you can be totally convinced that sea shanties are now the most important trend in current popular culture, when it’s still obscure to other groups. Can you still be a “hipster” for liking something obscure when you also wholly believe it’s mainstream and popular?
@@Ebathora My front page of tik tok still shows the overall popular trends because I pretty much never use it, and sea shanties were on the banner for one of the big hashtags. So they are actually a trend right now.
Hipster culture has just become more known by the mainstream, mostly because of the internet. Just like nerd culture. In the past you might have a handful of kids at your high school who liked the same things you liked, or the oddball kids were into different things but still hung out. In college and at work you might meet another couple people like you. Now it's easy to find other people that share niche interests. Instead of being that one weirdo in your social circle that's into vinyl or baking or vintage clothes or all of those things you can go on Pinterest (for example) and see that other people share your interests. Edit: removed "I think" because this isn't my original idea, although I agree with it
I just realized why my former roommate always got on my nerves. She's a total hipster but she doesn't have the classic look so I never considered it. I won't even suggest to her that she's a hipster because of course she would deny it.
This reminds me of a time when I was hanging out with this guy during my master's. He was hipster, hipster, hipster in everything he did, in everything he spoke, in everything he wore. I thought I had gotten close enough to him after a few weeks to joke around, so one time I just let it out: "Stop being such a damn hipster." He literally stopped dead in his tracks, looked me right in my eyes, and in an insulted whine exclaimed: "I'm not a hipster." I said he was, and he just looked at me blankly and said he wasn't. He then made some stoopid excuse about leaving for his next classes. And we never talked again. I was flabbergasted that he was so insulted by my joke. Now he's running for political office in his painfully hipster neighborhood in painfully hipster Brooklyn. LOL...
I think the hipster reemerged during the Recession because there were a ton of working-class young adults that were well educated but since their parents didn't go to college/university and the lack of mentorship they became subjugated to work the same monotonous that their parents tried to lift them out of. Going to college/university promised a better life but, during the Recession, it promises fell exponentially and even affected the young adult of the middle class during The Recession You can see this in the recessions youth attire Especially the woman. The woman wore cute dresses and items layered with occasionally thrifted. The layered clothes had two purposes to be able to dress up one main garment, Like a cute dress that a woman can only afford one of, or to layer your spring clothes to wear with winter clothes to create more outfits for the person. You guys have been only looking at mostly middle-class people throughout your style and trends videos, Maybe because you only new middle-class lifestyles? however, most alternative fashions or trends are more socially diverse than you display in your videos. Which, I love. On that note, the 20-60s hipsters might have not stolen black culture. Many of the youth worked in the kitchen and other hard labor jobs with black people. And open-minded youth hung out together on occasion shared music and ideas. Of cause when a fashion or trend gets capitalized, it gets marginalized and goes through gentrification.
Layering didn't become trendy as a way to make more clothing options. Clothing pieces started to be made so cheaply and thinly that you'd have to wear multiple pieces unless you wanted your bra or nipples to be visible to the world, which forced consumers to buy two tops instead of one, which often resulted in spending more money to effectively get one top (like you'd buy 2 tops at $10 each...$20) than if you'd just bought one top to begin with (like a $15-top made of thicker fabric). Rather than admit this openly, companies like Old Navy started advertising layering as the intention. They didn't lower their prices to compensate for how pieces were see-through. They instead tried to manipulate consumers into thinking that that was the intention all along. When layering itself actually started as a trend, earlier in the 2000's, it was with two thicker pieces to begin with, and was often a sign of having enough money to wear two nicer shirts together, like a camisole top and a button-up, or a button-up with a v-neck sweater. That trend was starting to fade in the mid-2000's. When the quality of Old Navy started to tank in about 2006/2007, they were called out for how cheap their stuff was that you could see through it and consumers complained that you HAD to layer multiples together. So Old Navy started outright advertising them as "layering t's" to make it seem like that was the intention all along when it really was a way of gaslighting consumers. I've been on the fashion industry since 1999, and spent a stint in the tech industry as well in the mid-2000's (I lived in Silicon Valley...bad, BAD place to be for what was to come) until being laid off at the very, very, very beginning of the recession, in the last days when being laid off came with the belief that finding a new job wouldn't be so hard. Studying fashion history and the textile industry as a fashion insider is still part of what I do. Long story short, the late 2000's layering trend was a revival of an earlier layering trend when Old Navy was called out for producing stuff so cheaply that you were forced to wear multiple pieces as a way for them to cover for cost cuts in manufacturing without lowering prices to reflect those cuts. They turned a bug into a feature.
I had to reread the first part of your reply due to how confusingly it's written. In the 2000's, college was almost a requirement. It didn't matter what a degree was in, just that you had to have one. It reached a point where you often couldn't even apply for a job if you didn't have a degree. Your resume would be tossed out immediately. Young adults had job issues due to the extreme push toward office and tech jobs, which saturated the job market. Manual work and trades were looked down upon as low-brow and low-class. There was even a TV where a man tried to bring back respect to the trades and other manual work. Prior to 2003, no one questioned the value in "dirty jobs." But by 2003, those jobs were so looked down upon that Dirty Jobs with Mike Rowe had an audience of people who had a mindset of "ew, gross, let's watch for the gross-out factor," though he was trying to show those jobs as respectable. Any job that wasn't in an office, especially in the tech industry, was seen as a job for poor people. But not everyone had a desire to go into the tech industry, and not everyone had the aptitude for it. Yet manual and trade jobs were looked down on as "dirty" and bad. When the recession hit, those tech jobs were brutally cut and sent overseas. The guy from Moscow my company brought in for me to train, and then sent back so he could train others with my remote help, ended up being my own replacements. (I'm still pissed about that.) Since tech jobs could be outsourced, the manual and trade jobs that have been insulted as low-class were the jobs with security since you can't send the repair of your car to Russia, or the plumbing repair to China. So those young adults whose parents pushed them away from manual and trade jobs toward office and tech jobs suddenly found themselves in a position of being too late to the tech game and not trained for manual or trade jobs, and worse, they had it instilled into them that those manual and trade jobs were beneath them. Ironically, those young adults who ended up struggling the most were often the same kids who teased the living fuck out of the nerdy kids (I was one of those nerdy kids), and part of their struggle is that they didn't start moving toward the tech industry, en masse, until the nerds they teased already had their feet in the door at tech companies. And their downfall was their mindset that other jobs were beneath them and something to be ashamed of. They'd rather work the entry-level burger-flipping jobs (which shouldn't be disrespected) than to take up a manual or trade career, which was seen not only as low, but as being defeated. Those who fared the best were usually the nerds who went into tech early (and ironically often didn't go to college since there weren't many college classes yet to teach IT) and those who already had an expectation of having to go to a manual or trade job (and ironically again, often because they weren't going to be able to go to college for various reasons). It was a case of "everything you know is wrong," and those who thought they knew better were screwed, while those who were treated poorly ended up being okay.
@@Author.Noelle.AlexandriaThe above two commenters while having interesting takes, seems more like quite subjective observations and perhaps even local micro-trends and experiences expanded and spread out to represent global and general trends. I don’t think that is quite the case though. Hipsterdom was already in full swing in 2008 globally. I don’t really think the recession had as much of an impact on (ideals of) style and living as people sometimes pretend. It was as always a desperate search for identity and a place to belong, that is far more important to humans than money, when the basic needs has been covered. Same as with other waves, like the original hipsters with folk and poetry, Hippies, mods, disco, punk, Yuppies, nerds, grunge/indie etc. This time there just was a gigantic question of “what now?!”. The last thirty years really have been a case of the habit of roughly ten year movement fads, increasingly not really happening anymore. Despite all we tell ourselves about the internet and smartphones, actual popcultural and culture idioms in general have moved very little. It’s just been a constant cycle of retro revivals and micro movements that never really went anywhere or wanted to. The last thirty years oddly seems a shorter time than the change you can sense from say just 75 to 85. Look at Friends and Seinfeld as the reluctant cultural milestones and measuring sticks they have become. You could take the wardrobe from any of the episodes from about 93 and forward, and walk it down the street without anyone noticing anything odd or off. Sure, there *is* a few differences, but and subtle changes/slides. But they amount to just that. Incremental, small changes. The same can not be said for any twenty five year span in the twentieth century. Forties attire would have seemed very off in the mid sixties. Sixties clothes very old fashioned in the eighties. Etc. Notice how the 80s seems to always have been the same perceived distance away from the present as they where just a few years after they ended. In the nineties the eighties seems to have been perceived as ancient and quaint already by 93-94. All this point to some greater global mega trend. Perhaps a mega anti trend. The above is a probably a result of earth having the problem of a world population that has roughly doubled in the last fifty years, not so much in the western country’s that most of us here live in, but still. All these new people many of them not bound by tradition and not living in small villages, that are really the natural habitat of humans. That leads to a deep profound rootlessness and restlessness.
Absolutely agree. Trying to paint the young people of the 40s as some sort of “poser hipsters” for hanging with black folks is wrong. Those people were some of the most forward thinking and brave people ever!
I totally agree!!! I'm a millennial and was born poor, I could only buy thrift store and Walmart clothes. I had to make whatever I had work, so I bought over shirts that went with everything, like flannel and black denim. Everything was neutral dark tones, except the t-shirt, which was the main focal point in my style because it was a cheap way to show individuality, usually a favorite band. My jeans would rip naturally from wear and lack of ability to replace them, not because they were $200....I was accused of being a hipster for the way I dressed and my "non-mainstream" interests, like art films, local small-batch drinks and food, and having strong opinions about my favorite coffee (after being a barista)? LOL....I used to take it as an insult. Now it's just a neutral statement that amuses me. :)
No, hipsters lost that battle when they started being pushy about their lifestyle. I don't care if someone is vegan, but when vegan hipsters start bashing me at diners for eating meat, now it's a problem.
@@neoasura yeah, but that's a vegan thing, not a hipster thing. There are unhip vegans who demonstrate that same prescriptive righteousness (and yes, of course, lovely vegans who are not like this at all).
@@neoasura That's nothing to do with being hipster, that's to do with morality, regardless of whether you value that morality or not. It's like calling BLM hipsters or feminists hipsters or any other activist group. There may be hipsters among them but that isn't the reason for their existence.
I was introduced to "hipsters" at university where a friend (from a very wealthy family) would wear £200+ torn jeans while I was wearing £10 jeans that were naturally torn
Could you guys do a take on Jess Mariano!? I feel like there’s a lot of cool things to take from his character, like the fact that he’s the complete opposite of Rory, he had no one to rely on or to take care of for him (besides Luke), didn’t have money or a place to call home, neglected by both his parents yet in the end he’s the one that ended up being successful not Rory who had all of those things and more.
I didn't realize I was a hipster until someone told me and by then they were mainstream so it equalled out, but I always just liked what I liked, but I like a lot of whatever is supposed to be mainstream because you can connect with more people.
Hipsters are hip enough to know what hipsters are and hate them, even though they are them. Hence the hipster era is over unless wear you live is behind the trend. Hipsters are usually closet hipsters now, and are aware of exposing themselves.
Admitting to being a hipster will mean that you 1) reveal that you genuinely care about something, in this case hipster values, and 2) actually take ownership of something, instead of just complaining. So I'd say it would be very un-hipster-like to admit to being a hipster.
One thing I’ve noticed is a lot of NYC based shows glorify hipsters. Especially HBO shows like High Maintenance, Girls or Search Party (which is now referred to as an HBO Max Original). If it’s current, based in Brooklyn, it’s hipster. They shield themselves with the notion that they’re satirizing hipsters but the opposite ends up happening where these characters are almost glorified in their depictions.
Because that's who writes these shows. You ever notice how grossly over represented artists are in films and on TV. If it's about a couple one is always a painter, dancer, writer, etc.
@@Aaron-kj8dv yeah exactly, the way novels always seemed to contain a character who was a writer, if it wasn't the main character themselves. Of course now we call that Mary Sue or Gary Stu but I swear I thought there were tortured writers all around me and it took me way too long to realize novelists write about novelists, filmmakers make films about artists and directors, and none of that shi is in any way accurate or unbiased
It is wonderful that people feel like they can be nonconformists with hipsters being mainstream. I hope however that people don’t feel obligated to be “different and edgy”.
I am a hipster... Basically. I feel like it's a bi-product of growing up in the 90s when being different was one of the most highly valued things. This was exacerbated by all my siblings being 6-12 years older than me. Even when I was in middle school I started wearing suits and ties. And was deeply offended that everyone started wearing ties after Avril Lavigne became popular in high school. Then I stopped. But I don't shit on other people's interests.
@@eldron29-a54 nah she def is. Hipster isn’t a bad thing…it’s just the unvoiced pretentious ones which are the worst. If you watched Portlandia and could relate to parts (yes satire) you are on the hipster spectrum for sure.🥴😂😅😅 Also nailed it OP we were taught to be different and it is 90s stuff.
I love that these videos always talk about the bad parts of these tropes AND the good parts. At the end of the day, a true hipster isn't interested in being called one, and just wants to live an authentic life that's their own without conforming to a society that they dislike and don't want to be a part of. I think that's admirable at least. Even I roll my eyes at hipsters both in media and in real life, but I'm willing to listen to what they have to say and accept their lifestyles as long as there's some substance to it, and I've met some "hipsters" who definitely have made me reconsider my stance on certain things--at least while conversing with them.
While they try to be positive, sometimes they do so so hard that they paint dangerous things as good. Claiming the simp trope can teach us about patience and loyalty and that we should appreciate the simps is not good. That one's been bothering me. There's nothing positive about a trope that says that if you hold out long enough, eventually your crush will break down and fall for you (basically ignore their disinterest until they break down) and a lot of danger in telling women to give in to their simps because simps are really good guys. In reality, that's known as an obsession, and it can be deadly.
Even in video games you hear about the dislike for hipsters! In GRAND THEFT AUTO 5, Michael calls Trever a hipster and Trever denies it, saying, "I Hate Hipsters", and Michael responds, "Classic Hipster denial". It hits a chord!
Who else is old enough to remember times when genuinely loving things like classic literature and non-mainstream music, movies, fashion, etc., were considered geeky qualities (and when being labeled a geek was derogatory)? I was a '90s kid and I grew up adoring writers like Poe, Dickens, and Victor Hugo and often dressed in what would now be called "bohemian" clothes. As a child, these traits made me "weird". Later, as a teenager, when I told people my literary interests and talked about how I was broadening my movie-watching to include classics from the 1920s-'40s, people just assumed I was "chasing the trends of hipsterism". It's so strange that the tastes we were once marginalized and mocked for have since become fashionable enough for people to co-opt to seem cool.
I was a kid in the 80's and the teasing was so brutal that I was suicidal when I was 10. I was a teen in the 90's when loving these things was still uncool and still made me a target of bullying. It was literal torment and I was in therapy, back when it was still seen as a bad thing, to help me cope with how badly I was being teased and tormented. It didn't get to be societally okay to like classics until I was already an adult, and then it pissed me the fuck off how many people who bullied me for my love of classics and reading and other nerdy things in general started acting like they were cool for being into those very things that they told me to kill myself for liking. They can go take a flying fucking leap into a pool with cement shoes. As I see it, people who teased others for something have permanently lost the right to think of themselves as cool for later being into those things. They can go fry in hell for their hypocrisy and gaslighting. It honestly feels like gaslighting. No no, we people who were into those things were really cool all along. Basically the suffering we went through is being erased and we're told now that we actually were just cool ahead of our time, lucky us.... Worse is those who act like they really liked those things all along as well. I will say that there was one person, just one, who tracked me down as an adult to apologize for how he treated me when we were teens. Only one. Ever. He got into the same things and realized he was wrong. We didn't become friends, but it still means a lot to me that he identified what he did as wrong enough to go out of his way to apologize. But everyone else? Nope.
@@Author.Noelle.Alexandria "The teasing was so brutal that I was suicidal when I was 10." Holy shit, that's horrible! I'm so sorry you went through that and hope you're doing better now. I never got teased--at least, not to my face. At most, I'd get raised eyebrows from the other kids, or when I'd try to start up a conversation, they'd ditch as soon as they could. I had two elements that, looking back on them, probably protected me from more serious bullying: I was the perpetual new girl in school, since we moved around a lot because of my dad's job, and I've been visually impaired since birth. Even the most ruthless bullies would know making fun of the disabled kid is on a whole other level. So for the most part, I was often left to play or read by myself, which was just fine with me. The hypocrisy of people claiming to like these once-mocked things is indeed irritating and insulting. It's why I can't stand people labeling anyone who likes them as a hipster. No, I'm not a hipster, I just have always had my own tastes; don't try to pretend otherwise now that what I always liked is "cool".
Agreed. I feel like the hipster was about those (us) weird kids learning to accept our tastes and not care so much about how outside the mainstream they/we were. Even the gatekeeper attitude of now that it's mainstream I can't like it may be a reaction to that feeling of being ostracized. This person may have been picked on or bullied for X and now the bully is on the bandwagon and suddenly X is cool and accepted.
You are crazy, the 90s was THE time to be dark and deep, to despise everything mainstream and consider it shallow and to roll your eyes at conformist people 😅 . Those were the Golden days of indie. I was a kid in the 90s and couldnt wait to be a part of that, but by the 2000 and something ir was slowly starting to die. Now mainstream Is cool, rock Is dead, and people think Beyoncé Is feminism
There used to be 2 kinds of hipsters: nice people with great, unusual taste, and snobby people who think their originality and good taste defined their personality. Once the word became mainstream and associated to a style, a weird 3d type appeared. Remember around 2008-9: it’s become a trend. people want to LOOK like hipsters, companies sell fake moustaches + rebrand, and everyone in city centres wears a beanie, a beard and a (Fjallraven) backpack. People will blindly follow anything labelled ´indie’, and, aware of the originality that goes with hipsterdom, will make early adoption, high culture (as a posture), and performative wokeness concepts they swear by, almost competitively. They’re vocal about that, it’s a part of their identity. Worried poseurs have always existed, but interestingly that label is both attractive as it grants a desirable social status, and repulsive, as it now implies negative stereotypes associated with wealth. (Or whiteness)
This is what the video completely missed. Couldn’t have said it better. They are three types. The I met the first type 10 years ago at a clothing swap in East Nashville at this girls house. Everybody brought what they didn’t want and food and we all swapped clothes and hung out and listened to good music. Great time! Fun different and unique! Then I started noticing more of these people circa 2010-2011… ultra pretentious and annoying, had social issues to a degree, and OBSESSED with craft beer and vintage culture…all those damn polka dot dresser and stuff like that…. The the third type all became social justice warriors and I’m currently arguing with them on Tumblr right now about something. Lol!
Something to consider: If the original hipsters were shaped by the trauma of WWII, could it be argued that the “new” hipster emerged out of the horror and resulting pessimism of 9/11?
The funniest thing is that the hipster judges cool kids because he thinks they just want to proove something, when the hipster himself constantley TRIES to proove something by having that attitude
Say what you want, but I was definitely a hipster in high school even though I was dirt poor. I wore my mom's clothes, shopped at Goodwill, and wore thick rimmed glasses paid for by the government. Superiority doesn't always stem from class structure. Sometimes, it's derived from our own perceived "virtues." I thought I was better than everyone simply because I didn't like things other people did. But one day, I realized that I didn't like anything because I was too focused on being better than everyone.
@@kimifw58 why is there nothing wrong w it? Bc for some reason it makes me uncomfortable and sad and i want to see the good side of society instead of ppl just trying to fit into niches
I love see several videos about these Tropes and one thing I think is that: when you rationalize these types of characters, you realize that you can't complitely identify with them because they don't exist. They are generalizing characters. They take a single aspect and generalize the whole personality.
I feel a little attacked sometimes when people criticize hipsters, but I can't remember ever disliking something just because it became popular. I don't like it when something becomes popular and the market gets flooded with cheap knock offs, like fake vintage clothing or genre movies that seem like they were written using a checklist of required tropes, people buying new clothes that are meant to look like something you find at a thrift shop. I know a lot of people who sincerely like a lot of the things that are usually associated with being a hipster. Seems it comes down to being able to explain why you like something and not just dropping it once other people start to like it.
I feel one aspect of being a hipsters was reacting to being seen as "weird" because they didn't like or follow mainstream fashion/music/movies/etc (usually as a teen) - so being a hipster was a way to reclaim weirdness while learning to to accept yourself and realize that your interests or tastes are valid. As with everything, it ends up being co-oped and some people don't evolve past the gatekeeping hipster.
My older sister was a hipster, still is one, to the best of my knowledge. Got so tired of her telling me my taste in music or movies or clothes was bad. Like, just let people live.
But does "the hipster" actually exist? I have never met anyone who really fits this trope. Sure, there are music nerds, pseudo alternative people, rich guys who want that working class swagger, but in the end people are more complex than "the hipster"... 🤷♀️
When it was big, I dont remember seeing anything quite like the trope. Like, I read up on it and it seemed like nobody writing about it knew either. So to me it came off as a way to make fun of people who were different and didnt have mainstream interests. Sometimes I think the negative aspects are actually just a normal reaction to being mocked.
@@Anna-bm3oe Exactly, its changed into something else now, which will get it's own name in a few years when it settles. But Hipsters in my area were all over in about 2008-2015. You still have a few, but the ones I meet today are in their mid 30s not letting it go.
It was always a way for media to caricaturize fresh, bright eyed millenials breaking into adulthood and finding themselves understandibly dissapointed after discovering capitalism renders them unable to properly live a sincere/authentic life (rather authenticity has to be communicated through commodities). It died partly because as it happens in capitalism to every zeitgeist, it absorbed its contradictions into itself and watered down sincere dissatisfaction into an aestethic signifying nothing, so it could be consumed by rich people without feeling any guilt. You could say that the hipster was created by its own backlash, which is ironic. Notice how there was a real urgency to paint hipsters as rich and privileged even as the worst financial crisis in the decade was in its apex decimating the millenials' American dream. They were telling on themselves.
@@neoasura SPOT on! There’s a special group in their thirties that won’t let up! They were ultra popular in 2013-2019…however I met some early ones when I lived in East Nashville circa 2010. They had a strong community of them and now they’ve graduated into being social justice warriors. Also ultra annoying and pretentious as well.
Being a hipster is only socially effective from like 16-22. Openly owning different opinions can be refreshing to people for a while. Then people start to notice how soulless it can be and how a hipster is more devoted to being separate than to being a part of anything. It’s also a really black and white take on the world, which is a bit immature. Everything is either trash or godlike. Hopefully most hipsters mature into more nuanced adults who respect both individuality and traditions.
The shipster. It's the beach frat guy whose cool with everyone and really easy going. The male counterpart dresses in vans, short khakis, beach shirt, and a tiny hat.
Sometimes I like to discover something different, I get happy when other people enjoy it too. I think there was a hipster episode of Lizzie McGuire. Daria is me, the Aspie. "People judge you by your expression" needs to be changed
Me too, I've never really understood the appeal of being "above" liking the same things as everyone else, and lording having unique tastes over others. I hope that they eventually have a hipster episode in the "Lizzie" revival! 😍
@@sakunaruful But dumped it when everyone treated it like a trend. I think that episode should be watched alongside the KOTH episode "Earthy Girls Are Easy". Just because people are treating a certain cause or interest as a trend doesn't mean you shouldn't keep engaging
I consider myself a hipster. I have been like that since I was a child. Always against the mainstream. I'd my little friends played with barbies, I decided to read books. If my friends liked Britney I liked Nelly Furtado (that folklore disc). Something bad or dificult has to happend in your childhood to make you be like this. It is not easy and it is not so satisfying. It is a defense mechanism
That would make you a contrarian. A hipster claims to be the opposite of mainstream, but end up actually being the mainstream with their tastes and music.All hipsters will claim to like certain underground indie bands, but all hipsters like those same bands.
tbh was surprised when the line wasn't "the common denominator in all these examples is not a fixed gear bike or a can of pbr, but whiteness" bc that shoulda been the line
It's so frustrating when someone calls you a hipster and you say you're not a hipster and they say, "Only a hipster would deny being a hipster." I could never be a hipster because I hate a ton of stuff, but I also love a bunch of popular stuff and I'm very goofy and hate sarcasm.
My friends in middle school tried so hard to be hipster that they became basic. They judged me for not knowing anything about their tastes and always looked down on others.
"oh you like pop music... yeah yeah it's fine... I mean, I never listen to anything made in this century but you know we can't judge people's taste..."
*”I’m not like other people. I always listen to 4th century classical reggae sonatas from ancient Bulgaria, I possess 2700 IQ, and I can’t stand mainstream fashion trends even though I shop at Forever 21. You’re just an uncultured swine! You can’t possibly understand my elegant tastes.”* - Hipsters
I’m pretty sure I was a hipster and used to “ironically” lean into it but tbh I love music, studied film and philosophy and in general found myself having interest which others didn’t always get. But at the same time, I feel like so does everyone else and it’s the constraints of society that stop us from all being our most authentic self.
Or sometimes the constraints of the "I want to be unique"-movement" can prevent people from being themselves if they get laughed at or put down for liking something "mainstream" and consequentially feel forced to like only "special" things.
Daria also teaches the lesson that you have to care about shit eventually. The genius of the show is that it captures the counterculture crowd with Daria and Jane’s attitudes about the world but shows where they are flawed and encourages the viewer to go out and make a better world
The hipster has turned into "Hello Kitty says ACAB" aesthetic. I want to make it very clear that this aesthetic co-ops ideas from the alternative community.
I mean sure yeah. Hence the re-advent of mom jeans, formerly '90s preppy style now being reimagined as edgy, and what used to be called normcore. What used to be a kind of low effort default being reappropriated to signal a new kind of carefully self-aware difference
you should do a take on jackie burkhart from that 70s show. ppl dismiss her as a shallow rich girl but when you actually dig deeper into her character, she’s a lot more than that. she got cheated on multiple times by kelso and would go back to him and forgive him. she got cheated on by hyde and went back to him and forgave him. overall, i think she was just a rlly interesting character to me but i would love to see you guys do a take on her
I have a millenial sister and to be fair, the description is SUPER accurate! Entitled, thin skin, blaming of others, want to work as an artist but doesn’t put in the real effort... sounded as if you guys wrote this based on her!
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Hi! Can you guys make a list of materials you use to do your research for the videos?
The 4 most Gothic words ever uttered are "Uh! We're Not GOTH!" ~R. Smith.
Dear Ladies from The Take, I love the work you do to help us looking behind a character or a stereotype. Can you please please please take "Jane the Virgin" in consideration for your analysis? There's so much to discuss in there and I would love to hear your opinion about it!
Can we agree to use the term contemporary instead of modern?
“Everybody is identical in their secret unspoken belief that way deep down they are different from everyone else.” -David Foster Wallace
I concur this statement! "Remember, you're special, just like everyone else."
@@trinaq Right
I love the phrase "I'm not like other girls" too. It tells me so much about that person without them having to tell me anything else.
xDDD
How is it a secret??? You're your own person 😳
@@sarroumarbeu6810 I think it’s referring to that belief ( or secret hope) that many ppl have just by virtue of being ppl that they’re this super special unicorn that the world just can’t handle. There are actual differences between ppl obviously but I assume it’s not referring to like biology 😂
Promote what you love, instead of bashing what you hate.
Also it's ok to like both obscure and popular things genuinely. Just because people have different taste than you, doesn't mean they have no taste.
But then other people might love it too
It was never about loving or hating things though. it was always about feeling superior.
Hipsters' and gatekeepers' (same diff) one major flaw is that, for all their supposed intellect and refined "taste", they ignore the very obvious fact that art (movies, music etc.) is completely subjective.
Their limp attempts to try and attach tangible measurements of quality (always based on their own ideals I might add) just reeks of a severe inferiority complex.
@@Syklonus See thats what a hipster would say
@@Annihilated481 For my own selfish reasons I am glad when more people like the things I like. If it's a TV show I like and does not get enough viewers, it gets cancelled. But if enough people watch it, they make more seasons. If it's music I like, I want the artists to make a living so I am always encouraging friends to check out their music. And for physical products like food or makeup, it always seems that my favorite things get discontinued, so I want my faves to be at least popular enough that the companies will keep making them!
How many hipsters does it take to change a lightbulb? It’s a really obscure number, you’ve probably never heard of it.
Ugh, hipsters don't use light bulbs, natural handcrafted bee's wax candles please...
LED, incandescent filament or halogen?
In case of LED, they wouldn’t touch it with a ten foot pole.
Incandescent: As many as possible to search out the perfect centennial light bulb clone in all the secret vintage scrap stores.
Halogen: One to change it and ten to tell the changer they can’t touch the bulb and talk about the “analog nature” of the light.
A googol?
I couldn't even understand
None, because real hipsters use kerosene lamps as an ironic statement, dude.
Please do a Take on the "Cool Loser" Trope, where a funny, intelligent, gorgeous character is presented as FAR less popular than they'd be in reality. Examples include Peter Parker, Seth Cohen or Millie from "Freaky."
Thought the same thing with Look Away.
Also Stiles from Teen wolf, Barry Allen, Rory Gilmore and Billy Batson and Freddy Freeman from Shazam.
I dunno, I feel like just cause someone is beautiful doesn't always mean they'll be popular or a social person though.
Buffy? She dropped from popular to school 'cool' loser who hangs out with outsiders and a librarian
a cool loser is someone like happy Gilmore
My great aunt always used to tell me growing up that "one day we all realize we're just average and that's the best thing that happens to us" and as I grew up, I realized she was totally right! When you realize you're only very special to the people who love you (and that hopefully those people will love you for who you really are), there's no need to try to be a "label". Living as a label is totally exhausting!
damn that's so very accurate and quite beautiful actually
Wow, what a wise woman your grand aunt was! 🤩😊🌹
@@leanaaymorejacob1211 Thank you! She taught me so very much!
I like that. She was right.
@@jhoang861 It really is true and there's nothing wrong with accepting yourself, and celebrating being an average person! I hope you have a great day!
Honestly being a hipster should be more of a phase. The worst part about the character type and real life person is their gatekeeper attitude to popular culture. You can like non "mainstream" things and some mainstream things and it doesn't make you any less of a unique individual. It's actually the hipster insistence to define people in wholesale generic categories that feeds their need to denigrate and other to feel special and important. None of us are that important and that's okay.
like this channel divides people into tropes? I think the inherent mistake is to think if something is popular, it must be dumb, or if something is not well known and with low production values, it will be better. That is a deliberate assumption that most people are wrong/ stupid, there is a snobbery there, although this is also a reaction to earlier eras I think, like the 1980s (?), when it was fashionable to look down on people for being poor/ different etc.
Interesting take
kahkah1986 ah I don’t know about this. Maybe some people are just loners and have to sit aside from others. Maybe sharing everything with other people is too intrusive to them so they make choices that equal being different
Hitting back at the hipsters with existential "none of us matter, you are specs of dust living on a rock in the middle of a huge galaxy among so many other galaxies", speech whilst accidentally also sounding a bit hipster but i'm here for those amazing moments lol
Hipsters and gatekeepers are textbook cases of an inferiority complex.
They can't bear the notion that what they love dearly might not be equally loved by other people, and this puts some doubt in their mind about their choices. The solution is to make up bullshit rules as a defence mechanism (with them always being on top of course).
It's the same folk who don't have the emotional capacity to show love for a thing without simultaneous trashing something else. The "back in my day" group really fall into this category.
Like what you like. Dislike what you like. There's no rules.
Surprised you didn’t tackle “You” with all the Hipsters it has.
literally joe himself
I hate that show so much
I would argue that Joe is not a hipster and is instead surrounded by them
@@RandRWargaming can't blame the man. he's in new york
@@RandRWargaming Joe is a hipster in the way he feels like everyone else is pretentious, meanwhile he is the most judgey, pretentious, skinny jean wearing prick in the show.
"Let's go to a café and look like we don't wanna be there."
Hey, you know me right?
By the way, this quote is from Johnny the Homicidal Maniac.
@@kimifw58 wow haven’t heard that referenced in forever!
Lol
HAHAHAHAHAHHA
I think that the current pandemic is going to create a new generation of “hipsters”. Sitting at home all day with no purpose in life makes you awfully ready to search for one
80-90kids
Especially teens and younger adults will probably end up in this bubble because we’re the ones with the least solidified identities because we’re younger
I swear the last few months I've found so much comfort in existential philosophers and novelists such as Sautre, Beckett and Kafka more than ever before, Gen Z really is going to be a whole lot more cynical than we were already
My baby brother (18) fixed my parents old record player. It's definitely happening
I’ve already seen kids around me picking up almost dead hobbies, it’s definitely gonna happen
The hipster is the "not like other girls" trope
More specifically, or unspecifically "I'm not like everyone else, I only ironically love Marvel movies and I have a collection of vintage sunglasses and sexual guide books from the 1970s"
Yes, but non-gendered. So at least it could be progressive in one way.
Good Answer
@@jessicavictoriacarrillo7254 Thanks
The Manic Pixie Dream Girl, if she was the side character.
I was friends with a hipster who loved everything everyone disliked, and hated everything everyone liked. He also was allowed to have all the opinions, but god forbid I have one over some dumb irrelevant musician.
I had a friend who hated hipsters SO MUCH that he labeled himself the Anti-Hipster. He only liked popular, mainstream, new things. LOL!
people are just trying to be not like other people
Toxic hipsticity
See that’s my main problem with so called hipsters. Like what you like but don’t put down other people for their interests.
That sounds EXHAUSTING.
This is probably the most coherent analysis of the hipster I’ve ever seen, and for an archetype that can be relatively nebulous that’s not such an easy feat. Keep up the good work, ladies :-)
Daria Strikes Me More As A Misfit, Not A Hipster. She Doesn't Try To Be Cool Or Act Privileged.
Yup. Daria is a nerd, if anything Jane is a hipster.
@@zucchinigreen haha remember the episode where she has a vintage phase
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Daria and Quinn are also cutthroat capitalists where it counts.
Daria genuinely didn't want to fit in. that was her nightmare. Hipsters basically want to be popular by virtue of their "uniqueness". No. Daria isn't a hipster. She's literally exactly the way I was in high school. My best friend at the time was just like Jane though.
I´ve meet hipster /hipsterish people in real life , some are really nice but a huge bunch were pretentious,obnoxious and had the cooler/wiser/woker than you mindset. I guess the key is embracing the hipster style as an individual thing as long as they don't judge people for being "basic" under their criteria
Always when I run into the pretentious hipster folks I’m like “you know what’s really non-conformist and edgy: liking what you like. Embracing everything basic, cheesy and tropey”
Just like what you like 👏
Hipsters are annoying!!!
I live in a city full of hipsters. At this point being "basic" is the unique thing to be lol
We all have met a hipster once
Yes they are all beta men and women made of soy and lame attitudes
“I was a hipster before it was mainstream” 🥸
Ew
So 2007 2008?
Me 90’s and above i liked things others didn’t by virtue of being an immigrant kid. I automatically was other despite being white Italian
And if you wanna see them in real life - just walk through Berlin. It’s basically the natural habitat of hipsters 😂
I was about to comment that this is literally the entire of Berlin.🤣
Yeah. Lived there for 15 years, until very recently. Hipster paradise.
I think going to OU might do...
Same with Oregon
Come to Copenhagen and experience the hipster with a side dish of racism🤦🏻♀️
The Lazy Idiot Trope - a guy who is so lazy, immature and very stupid in life but somehow is very lovable and socially intelligent like Nick Miller and Jake Peralta
I think that would be pretty much the man-child trope video.
Jake is actually good at his job though.
Featuring: his hot wife who's portrayed as kinda naggy but also smarter and more responsible than him, making them "the perfect match" after all.
Somebody really needs to make a movie that starts out as a classic manchild x hot mom replacement kinda story and then ends up completely deconstructing that trope. Starring Adam Sandler and literally any Hollywood actress bc they all have to be the same kind of conventionally attractive to be successful in that rotten town
@@georgeprchal3924 Yeah at least Jake is reliable many times but Nick...Ahhhhhh Jess is wayyyyyy out of his league
@@nont18411 Lol
when i was young we called hipsters 'indie kids'
yeah, I m 41, I come from that ''scene'', the second emo wave, the ''real'' midwest emo. Before it became mainstream.
That's the thing...it's always been a thing, just called differently.
yes! I'm 39. that's what they were called in the early aughts...then it morphed into hipster. difference is, being an indie kid was cool and unique and respected, but hipster has a negative connotation and they are a joke. Haven't heard either in a while though. thanks for the trip down memory lane😊
Hipsterism is pretty simple to understand: young adults, very often obnoxious extroverts, trying to "find themselves" in public view; seeking the attention they feel they're entitled to for being such an "authentic" searcher of the soul.
Of course a lot of that self-centered indulgence cloaked as sincere introspection dissipated in 2015 when political problems and societal injustices became increasingly impossible to ignore.
This is it exactly
@@Roggerrabb1t Thanks.
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@@waterotter3625 The Greendale Human Being from Community.
Very good point! This is around the time my own hipsterdom finally died and I started becoming more politically aware while my (now former) BFF was wearing $60 sweatshirts that had feminist phrases emblazoned on the front while simultaneously talking about how sexism isn't a problem anymore, and rhapsodizing about how unique she was for getting tattoos...of illustrations she was lifting off of Pinterest.
I rebelled in art college by being totally normal; no tattoos, graduating in 4 years with a B.F.A., making friends with superficial assholes. Nailed it!
My city is filled to the brim with women with tattoos
The hipster evolves into the yuppie once they settle down and start a family (whether human or pet families).
Thats what happened to the hippies im pretty sure (they "sold out" and bought into all that in the 80s). Or at least they became squares. Yuppies were young businessmen/women who started off that way, hence why they're so young and successful.
Or softbois/softgirls if they don’t settle down
Ew the Yuppie, they need to cover that. And the Smug Married trope, of how they are Karens around their peer group
Most of my daughters friends, w/their tattoos & blue hair tell me they don't want to get married or have children b/c the world is so fukt up. They've been saying that for years. Now, most are in their 30s and have held to it. No marriage/kids. Most hv started their own businesses. T-shirts, stickers, podcasts, graphic art, restaurants, wine bars etc. My daughter does funky 👓 frames They hire more brown ppl, & "hipsters" than the establishment places around town. I think Karens ruined the appeal of yuppiedom for all future generations. 😂
Whats a Yuppie?
When I was growing up none of the "hipsters" I knew were middle class. They were usually from "working poor" families. I saw a lot of similarities between the hipsters and the punks. Both were mostly made up of otherwise misfits. They picked a style that they could diy or find in thrift stores. Also, liking dumb stuff isn't always for the irony. Sometimes things are just so bad they're good. Like old campy horror films.
Right hipsters punks and hardcore kids all got along and came from similar backgrounds
Since I live in the hipster capital, Berlin, I can inform you: Yes, hipster can in fact be mainstream.
But to be fair: in the beginning it can seem annoying but actually, it is really awesome because it forms an atmosphere where everyone can follow their interests and sense of style, no matter how specific or uncommon.
Love Berlin. It feels like anything goes and people are open and accepting there.
@@joaninha3484 Even if you are a conservative?
That's what I love about hipster culture, you can just explore and find thing you like, constantly. And just lets you be you.
This video called baking uncool and I feel attacked.
Me too.
Please don't bakers are highly respectable people. However not in that gross bohemian style of respect rather that centuries old honest respect.
Feeling attacked is a sign you might be a hipter. Real bakers don't want a bunch of pretend ass hole coolios coming into and ruining your shit
I wouldn’t consider Jess from Gilmore Girls to be hipster. Hipsters tend to have an identifiable way of dressing and grooming, for one thing. He was more the “bad boy,” with a punk rock attitude. There are lots of characters and types of people who are different, like weird stuff and are loners but aren’t hipster because, besides not looking the part, they like what they like despite the fact that it’s not popular, not because of it. They just don’t care what people think, whereas the hipster, whether they know it or not, cares way too much.
Plus Jess worked hard, hipsters don't
He genuinely was a rebel, and liked what he liked, and didn't care what anyone thought. Agreed. Also, he was far from spoilt, or rich.
I feel Like singing sea shanties together on tiktok is probably just a product of being couped up in the house alone for 8 months. Not about being a hipster.
Yeah how is joining a new trend hipster? That’s dumb it’s not pretentious to not have the same things be popular forever
@@merrybright5732 mhm and even old trends and fashions become popular again.
Also Tik Tok has kinda changed what something “popular” means. The algorithm groups you with like-minded people and feeds you the same trends and the group repeats the joke to each other until it completely saturates the content everyone in that group consumes. So you can be totally convinced that sea shanties are now the most important trend in current popular culture, when it’s still obscure to other groups. Can you still be a “hipster” for liking something obscure when you also wholly believe it’s mainstream and popular?
that bit made me laugh. am friends with someone who has done this
@@Ebathora My front page of tik tok still shows the overall popular trends because I pretty much never use it, and sea shanties were on the banner for one of the big hashtags. So they are actually a trend right now.
so the hipster is "the one who says they're weird and unothordox" but at the same time, their interest are mainstream??
Yes. Big fish, small pond.
That's why when they migrate to bigger cities, they're indistinguishable.
They like different and obscure things, like Starbucks.
Hipster culture has just become more known by the mainstream, mostly because of the internet. Just like nerd culture. In the past you might have a handful of kids at your high school who liked the same things you liked, or the oddball kids were into different things but still hung out. In college and at work you might meet another couple people like you. Now it's easy to find other people that share niche interests. Instead of being that one weirdo in your social circle that's into vinyl or baking or vintage clothes or all of those things you can go on Pinterest (for example) and see that other people share your interests.
Edit: removed "I think" because this isn't my original idea, although I agree with it
they are "different" in the same way.
Basically. Hipster culture has gone so full circle that it's become mainstream.
30 seconds in: "fuck, am i a hipster?"
lol me too
I had the same thought lol
samee
Literally me.
Somebody thought that before me. Thus I'm not a hipster. Or am I? I like sailor songs!
I just realized why my former roommate always got on my nerves. She's a total hipster but she doesn't have the classic look so I never considered it. I won't even suggest to her that she's a hipster because of course she would deny it.
This reminds me of a time when I was hanging out with this guy during my master's. He was hipster, hipster, hipster in everything he did, in everything he spoke, in everything he wore. I thought I had gotten close enough to him after a few weeks to joke around, so one time I just let it out: "Stop being such a damn hipster." He literally stopped dead in his tracks, looked me right in my eyes, and in an insulted whine exclaimed: "I'm not a hipster." I said he was, and he just looked at me blankly and said he wasn't. He then made some stoopid excuse about leaving for his next classes. And we never talked again. I was flabbergasted that he was so insulted by my joke. Now he's running for political office in his painfully hipster neighborhood in painfully hipster Brooklyn. LOL...
Excellent point. They discovered social justice unfortunately. I know plenty of this types.
I think the hipster reemerged during the Recession because there were a ton of working-class young adults that were well educated but since their parents didn't go to college/university and the lack of mentorship they became subjugated to work the same monotonous that their parents tried to lift them out of. Going to college/university promised a better life but, during the Recession, it promises fell exponentially and even affected the young adult of the middle class during The Recession
You can see this in the recessions youth attire Especially the woman. The woman wore cute dresses and items layered with occasionally thrifted. The layered clothes had two purposes to be able to dress up one main garment, Like a cute dress that a woman can only afford one of, or to layer your spring clothes to wear with winter clothes to create more outfits for the person. You guys have been only looking at mostly middle-class people throughout your style and trends videos, Maybe because you only new middle-class lifestyles? however, most alternative fashions or trends are more socially diverse than you display in your videos. Which, I love. On that note, the 20-60s hipsters might have not stolen black culture. Many of the youth worked in the kitchen and other hard labor jobs with black people. And open-minded youth hung out together on occasion shared music and ideas. Of cause when a fashion or trend gets capitalized, it gets marginalized and goes through gentrification.
Layering didn't become trendy as a way to make more clothing options. Clothing pieces started to be made so cheaply and thinly that you'd have to wear multiple pieces unless you wanted your bra or nipples to be visible to the world, which forced consumers to buy two tops instead of one, which often resulted in spending more money to effectively get one top (like you'd buy 2 tops at $10 each...$20) than if you'd just bought one top to begin with (like a $15-top made of thicker fabric). Rather than admit this openly, companies like Old Navy started advertising layering as the intention. They didn't lower their prices to compensate for how pieces were see-through. They instead tried to manipulate consumers into thinking that that was the intention all along.
When layering itself actually started as a trend, earlier in the 2000's, it was with two thicker pieces to begin with, and was often a sign of having enough money to wear two nicer shirts together, like a camisole top and a button-up, or a button-up with a v-neck sweater. That trend was starting to fade in the mid-2000's. When the quality of Old Navy started to tank in about 2006/2007, they were called out for how cheap their stuff was that you could see through it and consumers complained that you HAD to layer multiples together. So Old Navy started outright advertising them as "layering t's" to make it seem like that was the intention all along when it really was a way of gaslighting consumers.
I've been on the fashion industry since 1999, and spent a stint in the tech industry as well in the mid-2000's (I lived in Silicon Valley...bad, BAD place to be for what was to come) until being laid off at the very, very, very beginning of the recession, in the last days when being laid off came with the belief that finding a new job wouldn't be so hard. Studying fashion history and the textile industry as a fashion insider is still part of what I do.
Long story short, the late 2000's layering trend was a revival of an earlier layering trend when Old Navy was called out for producing stuff so cheaply that you were forced to wear multiple pieces as a way for them to cover for cost cuts in manufacturing without lowering prices to reflect those cuts. They turned a bug into a feature.
I had to reread the first part of your reply due to how confusingly it's written. In the 2000's, college was almost a requirement. It didn't matter what a degree was in, just that you had to have one. It reached a point where you often couldn't even apply for a job if you didn't have a degree. Your resume would be tossed out immediately.
Young adults had job issues due to the extreme push toward office and tech jobs, which saturated the job market. Manual work and trades were looked down upon as low-brow and low-class. There was even a TV where a man tried to bring back respect to the trades and other manual work. Prior to 2003, no one questioned the value in "dirty jobs." But by 2003, those jobs were so looked down upon that Dirty Jobs with Mike Rowe had an audience of people who had a mindset of "ew, gross, let's watch for the gross-out factor," though he was trying to show those jobs as respectable. Any job that wasn't in an office, especially in the tech industry, was seen as a job for poor people. But not everyone had a desire to go into the tech industry, and not everyone had the aptitude for it. Yet manual and trade jobs were looked down on as "dirty" and bad.
When the recession hit, those tech jobs were brutally cut and sent overseas. The guy from Moscow my company brought in for me to train, and then sent back so he could train others with my remote help, ended up being my own replacements. (I'm still pissed about that.) Since tech jobs could be outsourced, the manual and trade jobs that have been insulted as low-class were the jobs with security since you can't send the repair of your car to Russia, or the plumbing repair to China. So those young adults whose parents pushed them away from manual and trade jobs toward office and tech jobs suddenly found themselves in a position of being too late to the tech game and not trained for manual or trade jobs, and worse, they had it instilled into them that those manual and trade jobs were beneath them.
Ironically, those young adults who ended up struggling the most were often the same kids who teased the living fuck out of the nerdy kids (I was one of those nerdy kids), and part of their struggle is that they didn't start moving toward the tech industry, en masse, until the nerds they teased already had their feet in the door at tech companies. And their downfall was their mindset that other jobs were beneath them and something to be ashamed of. They'd rather work the entry-level burger-flipping jobs (which shouldn't be disrespected) than to take up a manual or trade career, which was seen not only as low, but as being defeated.
Those who fared the best were usually the nerds who went into tech early (and ironically often didn't go to college since there weren't many college classes yet to teach IT) and those who already had an expectation of having to go to a manual or trade job (and ironically again, often because they weren't going to be able to go to college for various reasons). It was a case of "everything you know is wrong," and those who thought they knew better were screwed, while those who were treated poorly ended up being okay.
@@Author.Noelle.AlexandriaThe above two commenters while having interesting takes, seems more like quite subjective observations and perhaps even local micro-trends and experiences expanded and spread out to represent global and general trends.
I don’t think that is quite the case though.
Hipsterdom was already in full swing in 2008 globally.
I don’t really think the recession had as much of an impact on (ideals of) style and living as people sometimes pretend.
It was as always a desperate search for identity and a place to belong, that is far more important to humans than money, when the basic needs has been covered.
Same as with other waves, like the original hipsters with folk and poetry, Hippies, mods, disco, punk, Yuppies, nerds, grunge/indie etc.
This time there just was a gigantic question of “what now?!”.
The last thirty years really have been a case of the habit of roughly ten year movement fads, increasingly not really happening anymore.
Despite all we tell ourselves about the internet and smartphones, actual popcultural and culture idioms in general have moved very little.
It’s just been a constant cycle of retro revivals and micro movements that never really went anywhere or wanted to.
The last thirty years oddly seems a shorter time than the change you can sense from say just 75 to 85.
Look at Friends and Seinfeld as the reluctant cultural milestones and measuring sticks they have become.
You could take the wardrobe from any of the episodes from about 93 and forward, and walk it down the street without anyone noticing anything odd or off.
Sure, there *is* a few differences, but and subtle changes/slides. But they amount to just that. Incremental, small changes.
The same can not be said for any twenty five year span in the twentieth century.
Forties attire would have seemed very off in the mid sixties. Sixties clothes very old fashioned in the eighties. Etc.
Notice how the 80s seems to always have been the same perceived distance away from the present as they where just a few years after they ended.
In the nineties the eighties seems to have been perceived as ancient and quaint already by 93-94.
All this point to some greater global mega trend. Perhaps a mega anti trend.
The above is a probably a result of earth having the problem of a world population that has roughly doubled in the last fifty years, not so much in the western country’s that most of us here live in, but still.
All these new people many of them not bound by tradition and not living in small villages, that are really the natural habitat of humans.
That leads to a deep profound rootlessness and restlessness.
Absolutely agree. Trying to paint the young people of the 40s as some sort of “poser hipsters” for hanging with black folks is wrong. Those people were some of the most forward thinking and brave people ever!
I totally agree!!! I'm a millennial and was born poor, I could only buy thrift store and Walmart clothes. I had to make whatever I had work, so I bought over shirts that went with everything, like flannel and black denim. Everything was neutral dark tones, except the t-shirt, which was the main focal point in my style because it was a cheap way to show individuality, usually a favorite band. My jeans would rip naturally from wear and lack of ability to replace them, not because they were $200....I was accused of being a hipster for the way I dressed and my "non-mainstream" interests, like art films, local small-batch drinks and food, and having strong opinions about my favorite coffee (after being a barista)? LOL....I used to take it as an insult. Now it's just a neutral statement that amuses me. :)
As a Café owner it hurt that I was called out because I have both exposed light bulbs and reclaimed wood in my shop 😅😂
But reclaimed wood actually looks really nice.
It's an aesthetic
@@DeandreSteven sure it does, if you're a hipster.
Aren't we all just trying to have fun and not suck?
No, hipsters lost that battle when they started being pushy about their lifestyle. I don't care if someone is vegan, but when vegan hipsters start bashing me at diners for eating meat, now it's a problem.
@@neoasura yeah, but that's a vegan thing, not a hipster thing. There are unhip vegans who demonstrate that same prescriptive righteousness (and yes, of course, lovely vegans who are not like this at all).
no.they have"testing"4 that
@@neoasura That's nothing to do with being hipster, that's to do with morality, regardless of whether you value that morality or not. It's like calling BLM hipsters or feminists hipsters or any other activist group. There may be hipsters among them but that isn't the reason for their existence.
@@woudgy All moralists and reformers are to some degree prescriptively righteous. Often because they are, in fact, right.
I was introduced to "hipsters" at university where a friend (from a very wealthy family) would wear £200+ torn jeans while I was wearing £10 jeans that were naturally torn
i don't know why they do that!
Ugh these are the type of people that are so insufferable.
Oh how kewl of you!
So you were legit and the 200 jean guy the poser lol
Spoken like a hipster 😅
This comment section is proof of how people judge anything thats different
Ikr, I'm torned between things now and seeing acceptance of differences but blaming at the same time makes me really confused.
Hipsters do the same thing, though. It's actually really rare to find someone who is legitimately open minded.
Side note: Jess and Lane from gilmore girls deserved better and Dean way less
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Meanwhile, with everyone getting sick, going mad, and being stuck at home, I firmly believe it's time for another revival of gothic art
I'm only commenting here ironically.
Could you guys do a take on Jess Mariano!? I feel like there’s a lot of cool things to take from his character, like the fact that he’s the complete opposite of Rory, he had no one to rely on or to take care of for him (besides Luke), didn’t have money or a place to call home, neglected by both his parents yet in the end he’s the one that ended up being successful not Rory who had all of those things and more.
"I'll hand it to hipsters, it takes a lot of guts to all wear the same hat"
I didn't realize I was a hipster until someone told me and by then they were mainstream so it equalled out, but I always just liked what I liked, but I like a lot of whatever is supposed to be mainstream because you can connect with more people.
If I admit to being a hipster, does that make me no longer a hipster? Thoughts? 🤔
Admitting you're a hipster is such an unorthodox gesture that it will propell you tu über-hipsterdom instantly.
I've reluctantly embraced my hipster status, on account of how stupid the rest of these morons are...
Hipsters are hip enough to know what hipsters are and hate them, even though they are them. Hence the hipster era is over unless wear you live is behind the trend. Hipsters are usually closet hipsters now, and are aware of exposing themselves.
acknowledgement doesn't equal change.
Admitting to being a hipster will mean that you 1) reveal that you genuinely care about something, in this case hipster values, and 2) actually take ownership of something, instead of just complaining. So I'd say it would be very un-hipster-like to admit to being a hipster.
One thing I’ve noticed is a lot of NYC based shows glorify hipsters. Especially HBO shows like High Maintenance, Girls or Search Party (which is now referred to as an HBO Max Original). If it’s current, based in Brooklyn, it’s hipster. They shield themselves with the notion that they’re satirizing hipsters but the opposite ends up happening where these characters are almost glorified in their depictions.
Because that's who writes these shows. You ever notice how grossly over represented artists are in films and on TV. If it's about a couple one is always a painter, dancer, writer, etc.
@@Aaron-kj8dv yeah exactly, the way novels always seemed to contain a character who was a writer, if it wasn't the main character themselves. Of course now we call that Mary Sue or Gary Stu but I swear I thought there were tortured writers all around me and it took me way too long to realize novelists write about novelists, filmmakers make films about artists and directors, and none of that shi is in any way accurate or unbiased
This explains why Portlandia succeeds where those shows fail. It satirizes and pokes fun at them by not glorifying them yet not hating them.
High Fidelity with Zoe Kravitz was a prime example of pretentiousness. No wonder it got canceled.
@@minuit6305 They made a tv show?
It seems like nowadays, what used to be "hipster" = basic millennial
Lol
Good point
Your videos really help me to understand a lot of things around me that I notice but can never really identify of explain. Thank you.
"Zoey" is the most hipster name there is.
Especially if it's written Zooey, it's not a mainstream Zoey anymore 'coz it's got double Os
No Patience
I can top that. I have some hipster friends who named their kid Indigo. Guess what his nickname is. Indie. They call their kid Indie.
As is Zöe.
@@Cowplunk Here in Copenhagen, someone - of course in the most hipster part of our city - named their son Globus during the hipster age. Poor kid!
Oh My, got here with one minute upload.
Congratulations on making the Early Squad! 🎊♥️👏🏾
You guys just don't miss 😭😭😭. These videos always have me reflecting on my own behaviour. My goodness, the depth of the analysis.
It is wonderful that people feel like they can be nonconformists with hipsters being mainstream. I hope however that people don’t feel obligated to be “different and edgy”.
People feel obligated to be different and edgy at the same time as the same and conforming.
It's crazy how ironic and non-ironic that is
I am quite simple *I see Adam Driver, I click*
I am a hipster... Basically. I feel like it's a bi-product of growing up in the 90s when being different was one of the most highly valued things. This was exacerbated by all my siblings being 6-12 years older than me. Even when I was in middle school I started wearing suits and ties. And was deeply offended that everyone started wearing ties after Avril Lavigne became popular in high school. Then I stopped. But I don't shit on other people's interests.
Avril still rocks. Even if she married the lead guy from Nickelback.
Hum, I don't think you are a hípster.
@@eldron29-a54 nah she def is. Hipster isn’t a bad thing…it’s just the unvoiced pretentious ones which are the worst. If you watched Portlandia and could relate to parts (yes satire) you are on the hipster spectrum for sure.🥴😂😅😅
Also nailed it OP we were taught to be different and it is 90s stuff.
In the beginning “am I a hipster” in the middle “no eww” at the end omg I’m a hipster especially the raised by film part 😭
I love that these videos always talk about the bad parts of these tropes AND the good parts. At the end of the day, a true hipster isn't interested in being called one, and just wants to live an authentic life that's their own without conforming to a society that they dislike and don't want to be a part of. I think that's admirable at least. Even I roll my eyes at hipsters both in media and in real life, but I'm willing to listen to what they have to say and accept their lifestyles as long as there's some substance to it, and I've met some "hipsters" who definitely have made me reconsider my stance on certain things--at least while conversing with them.
While they try to be positive, sometimes they do so so hard that they paint dangerous things as good. Claiming the simp trope can teach us about patience and loyalty and that we should appreciate the simps is not good. That one's been bothering me. There's nothing positive about a trope that says that if you hold out long enough, eventually your crush will break down and fall for you (basically ignore their disinterest until they break down) and a lot of danger in telling women to give in to their simps because simps are really good guys. In reality, that's known as an obsession, and it can be deadly.
I live in seattle so I know a lot about this subject🤣
Even in video games you hear about the dislike for hipsters! In GRAND THEFT AUTO 5, Michael calls Trever a hipster and Trever denies it, saying, "I Hate Hipsters", and Michael responds, "Classic Hipster denial". It hits a chord!
Trevor - I hate hipsters
Michael - You're even worse you're the PROTO HIPSTER
@@aryavart296 Then Michael continues with: "You're the Hipster other Hipsters aspire to be like!" Makes me laugh every time!
Who else is old enough to remember times when genuinely loving things like classic literature and non-mainstream music, movies, fashion, etc., were considered geeky qualities (and when being labeled a geek was derogatory)? I was a '90s kid and I grew up adoring writers like Poe, Dickens, and Victor Hugo and often dressed in what would now be called "bohemian" clothes. As a child, these traits made me "weird". Later, as a teenager, when I told people my literary interests and talked about how I was broadening my movie-watching to include classics from the 1920s-'40s, people just assumed I was "chasing the trends of hipsterism". It's so strange that the tastes we were once marginalized and mocked for have since become fashionable enough for people to co-opt to seem cool.
yikes
I was a kid in the 80's and the teasing was so brutal that I was suicidal when I was 10. I was a teen in the 90's when loving these things was still uncool and still made me a target of bullying. It was literal torment and I was in therapy, back when it was still seen as a bad thing, to help me cope with how badly I was being teased and tormented.
It didn't get to be societally okay to like classics until I was already an adult, and then it pissed me the fuck off how many people who bullied me for my love of classics and reading and other nerdy things in general started acting like they were cool for being into those very things that they told me to kill myself for liking. They can go take a flying fucking leap into a pool with cement shoes. As I see it, people who teased others for something have permanently lost the right to think of themselves as cool for later being into those things. They can go fry in hell for their hypocrisy and gaslighting.
It honestly feels like gaslighting. No no, we people who were into those things were really cool all along. Basically the suffering we went through is being erased and we're told now that we actually were just cool ahead of our time, lucky us.... Worse is those who act like they really liked those things all along as well.
I will say that there was one person, just one, who tracked me down as an adult to apologize for how he treated me when we were teens. Only one. Ever. He got into the same things and realized he was wrong. We didn't become friends, but it still means a lot to me that he identified what he did as wrong enough to go out of his way to apologize. But everyone else? Nope.
@@Author.Noelle.Alexandria "The teasing was so brutal that I was suicidal when I was 10."
Holy shit, that's horrible! I'm so sorry you went through that and hope you're doing better now.
I never got teased--at least, not to my face. At most, I'd get raised eyebrows from the other kids, or when I'd try to start up a conversation, they'd ditch as soon as they could. I had two elements that, looking back on them, probably protected me from more serious bullying: I was the perpetual new girl in school, since we moved around a lot because of my dad's job, and I've been visually impaired since birth. Even the most ruthless bullies would know making fun of the disabled kid is on a whole other level. So for the most part, I was often left to play or read by myself, which was just fine with me.
The hypocrisy of people claiming to like these once-mocked things is indeed irritating and insulting. It's why I can't stand people labeling anyone who likes them as a hipster. No, I'm not a hipster, I just have always had my own tastes; don't try to pretend otherwise now that what I always liked is "cool".
Agreed. I feel like the hipster was about those (us) weird kids learning to accept our tastes and not care so much about how outside the mainstream they/we were. Even the gatekeeper attitude of now that it's mainstream I can't like it may be a reaction to that feeling of being ostracized. This person may have been picked on or bullied for X and now the bully is on the bandwagon and suddenly X is cool and accepted.
You are crazy, the 90s was THE time to be dark and deep, to despise everything mainstream and consider it shallow and to roll your eyes at conformist people 😅 . Those were the Golden days of indie. I was a kid in the 90s and couldnt wait to be a part of that, but by the 2000 and something ir was slowly starting to die. Now mainstream Is cool, rock Is dead, and people think Beyoncé Is feminism
There used to be 2 kinds of hipsters: nice people with great, unusual taste, and snobby people who think their originality and good taste defined their personality.
Once the word became mainstream and associated to a style, a weird 3d type appeared.
Remember around 2008-9: it’s become a trend. people want to LOOK like hipsters, companies sell fake moustaches + rebrand, and everyone in city centres wears a beanie, a beard and a (Fjallraven) backpack. People will blindly follow anything labelled ´indie’, and, aware of the originality that goes with hipsterdom, will make early adoption, high culture (as a posture), and performative wokeness concepts they swear by, almost competitively. They’re vocal about that, it’s a part of their identity.
Worried poseurs have always existed, but interestingly that label is both attractive as it grants a desirable social status, and repulsive, as it now implies negative stereotypes associated with wealth. (Or whiteness)
I think you basically nailed it.
This is what the video completely missed. Couldn’t have said it better. They are three types.
The I met the first type 10 years ago at a clothing swap in East Nashville at this girls house. Everybody brought what they didn’t want and food and we all swapped clothes and hung out and listened to good music. Great time! Fun different and unique!
Then I started noticing more of these people circa 2010-2011… ultra pretentious and annoying, had social issues to a degree, and OBSESSED with craft beer and vintage culture…all those damn polka dot dresser and stuff like that….
The the third type all became social justice warriors and I’m currently arguing with them on Tumblr right now about something. Lol!
Honestly Indie/Kidcore kids are the 21st century version of hipsters
The Take is what you grow up to do when you were the nerd who said: "oh goodie!" when the class was assigned a book report.
Something to consider: If the original hipsters were shaped by the trauma of WWII, could it be argued that the “new” hipster emerged out of the horror and resulting pessimism of 9/11?
Search Party characters are grueling. Absolute worst.
Portia’s a bit full of herself but the closest to a “good person” action-wise imo
Season 4 was awful but the first 3 were awesome.
You should cover every trope, just like TV Tropes itself.
I agree, I'm admittedly a TV Tropes fanatic, and this channel is like the site in video format! 😍
Seems like that what they’ve been doing so you’re spot on.
does the term hipster/hippie come from african american vernacular english ?
The funniest thing is that the hipster judges cool kids because he thinks they just want to proove something, when the hipster himself constantley TRIES to proove something by having that attitude
I kind of used to be hipster but now I channel all that energy into being a hardcore weeb
Say what you want, but I was definitely a hipster in high school even though I was dirt poor. I wore my mom's clothes, shopped at Goodwill, and wore thick rimmed glasses paid for by the government. Superiority doesn't always stem from class structure. Sometimes, it's derived from our own perceived "virtues." I thought I was better than everyone simply because I didn't like things other people did. But one day, I realized that I didn't like anything because I was too focused on being better than everyone.
Thank you for giving us a very honest insight.
Everything is a trope. Gah
And there's nothing wrong with that.
@@kimifw58 why is there nothing wrong w it? Bc for some reason it makes me uncomfortable and sad and i want to see the good side of society instead of ppl just trying to fit into niches
@@georgie3593 tropes are tools. You use them well or you use them wrong. They're impossible to write without
@@heinoustentacles5719 yes u make a good point. Ig it just sits w me weird that almost everyone fits into some trope at some point in their life lol
I love see several videos about these Tropes and one thing I think is that: when you rationalize these types of characters, you realize that you can't complitely identify with them because they don't exist.
They are generalizing characters. They take a single aspect and generalize the whole personality.
Yes, because they are fictional characters and archetypes and not real people.
I feel a little attacked sometimes when people criticize hipsters, but I can't remember ever disliking something just because it became popular. I don't like it when something becomes popular and the market gets flooded with cheap knock offs, like fake vintage clothing or genre movies that seem like they were written using a checklist of required tropes, people buying new clothes that are meant to look like something you find at a thrift shop. I know a lot of people who sincerely like a lot of the things that are usually associated with being a hipster. Seems it comes down to being able to explain why you like something and not just dropping it once other people start to like it.
The word "hipster" has really just become a vague amalgamation to suit lots of people. It seems like it's really just to shit on millennials
@@lolapastelle honestly, I get the criticism, but I think a lot of common usage is just people trashing someone or something they don't understand.
@@lolapastelle I have a number of "hipster" attributes I developed from having been poor.
That's something a hipster would say I guess.
@@anthonyleahy1053 I guess so
I feel one aspect of being a hipsters was reacting to being seen as "weird" because they didn't like or follow mainstream fashion/music/movies/etc (usually as a teen) - so being a hipster was a way to reclaim weirdness while learning to to accept yourself and realize that your interests or tastes are valid. As with everything, it ends up being co-oped and some people don't evolve past the gatekeeping hipster.
This is one of the best ones I’ve seen yet.
My older sister was a hipster, still is one, to the best of my knowledge. Got so tired of her telling me my taste in music or movies or clothes was bad. Like, just let people live.
But does "the hipster" actually exist? I have never met anyone who really fits this trope. Sure, there are music nerds, pseudo alternative people, rich guys who want that working class swagger, but in the end people are more complex than "the hipster"... 🤷♀️
When it was big, I dont remember seeing anything quite like the trope.
Like, I read up on it and it seemed like nobody writing about it knew either.
So to me it came off as a way to make fun of people who were different and didnt have mainstream interests. Sometimes I think the negative aspects are actually just a normal reaction to being mocked.
They exist lol, not so much nowadays. But I've met many in 2013-2015
@@Anna-bm3oe Exactly, its changed into something else now, which will get it's own name in a few years when it settles. But Hipsters in my area were all over in about 2008-2015. You still have a few, but the ones I meet today are in their mid 30s not letting it go.
It was always a way for media to caricaturize fresh, bright eyed millenials breaking into adulthood and finding themselves understandibly dissapointed after discovering capitalism renders them unable to properly live a sincere/authentic life (rather authenticity has to be communicated through commodities). It died partly because as it happens in capitalism to every zeitgeist, it absorbed its contradictions into itself and watered down sincere dissatisfaction into an aestethic signifying nothing, so it could be consumed by rich people without feeling any guilt. You could say that the hipster was created by its own backlash, which is ironic.
Notice how there was a real urgency to paint hipsters as rich and privileged even as the worst financial crisis in the decade was in its apex decimating the millenials' American dream. They were telling on themselves.
@@neoasura SPOT on! There’s a special group in their thirties that won’t let up! They were ultra popular in 2013-2019…however I met some early ones when I lived in East Nashville circa 2010. They had a strong community of them and now they’ve graduated into being social justice warriors. Also ultra annoying and pretentious as well.
Being a hipster is only socially effective from like 16-22. Openly owning different opinions can be refreshing to people for a while. Then people start to notice how soulless it can be and how a hipster is more devoted to being separate than to being a part of anything. It’s also a really black and white take on the world, which is a bit immature. Everything is either trash or godlike.
Hopefully most hipsters mature into more nuanced adults who respect both individuality and traditions.
Well its mostly so an audience/artist is not flooded with marketing that puts it out of reach, that's why hitting it big is disapproved of.
Search Party is so freaking amazing! Thank you for talking about it because no one else is for some reason, brilliant show!
I'm glad this era has come to an end. It was narcissistic posturing and hyper-capitalist.
You didn’t get it hipsters are not rich a lot of this characters are poor and considered hipsters like Jess from Gilmore Girls
@@renatenha a lot of hipsters are rich, actually
@@badbabybear1 Most hipsters I knew came from upper middle class families but would pretend to be poor.
Yup they are rich and Gentrifiers
"Stuff White People Like" by Christian Lander captured a lot about hipsters.
Hipsters like everything and hate everything. Anyone who has a video called "stuff white people like" is a fucking idiot.
Facts!!!
The shipster. It's the beach frat guy whose cool with everyone and really easy going. The male counterpart dresses in vans, short khakis, beach shirt, and a tiny hat.
Guess "I may destroy you" is too trendy for awards show then, even thou its the best show of 2020, a true hipster classic.
I also don’t want to be seen as a hipster but I recognize I do very hipster-like things
Sometimes I like to discover something different, I get happy when other people enjoy it too.
I think there was a hipster episode of Lizzie McGuire.
Daria is me, the Aspie. "People judge you by your expression" needs to be changed
Me too, I've never really understood the appeal of being "above" liking the same things as everyone else, and lording having unique tastes over others. I hope that they eventually have a hipster episode in the "Lizzie" revival! 😍
Yeah, Gordo became interested in music from the 50’s.
@@trinaq The revival isn’t happening anymore. Hilary confirmed that it’s canceled.
@@sakunaruful But dumped it when everyone treated it like a trend. I think that episode should be watched alongside the KOTH episode "Earthy Girls Are Easy". Just because people are treating a certain cause or interest as a trend doesn't mean you shouldn't keep engaging
I consider myself a hipster. I have been like that since I was a child. Always against the mainstream. I'd my little friends played with barbies, I decided to read books. If my friends liked Britney I liked Nelly Furtado (that folklore disc). Something bad or dificult has to happend in your childhood to make you be like this. It is not easy and it is not so satisfying. It is a defense mechanism
That would make you a contrarian. A hipster claims to be the opposite of mainstream, but end up actually being the mainstream with their tastes and music.All hipsters will claim to like certain underground indie bands, but all hipsters like those same bands.
It's true, they have a superiority complex. They are mainstream now.
tbh was surprised when the line wasn't "the common denominator in all these examples is not a fixed gear bike or a can of pbr, but whiteness"
bc that shoulda been the line
You don't live in London, do you?
Someone had to say it
It's so frustrating when someone calls you a hipster and you say you're not a hipster and they say, "Only a hipster would deny being a hipster."
I could never be a hipster because I hate a ton of stuff, but I also love a bunch of popular stuff and I'm very goofy and hate sarcasm.
@wolf masque Agreed!
When I first learned about what a hipster was in high school I was very excited to become one LOL
My friends in middle school tried so hard to be hipster that they became basic. They judged me for not knowing anything about their tastes and always looked down on others.
"oh you like pop music... yeah yeah it's fine... I mean, I never listen to anything made in this century but you know we can't judge people's taste..."
*”I’m not like other people. I always listen to 4th century classical reggae sonatas from ancient Bulgaria, I possess 2700 IQ, and I can’t stand mainstream fashion trends even though I shop at Forever 21. You’re just an uncultured swine! You can’t possibly understand my elegant tastes.”*
- Hipsters
I’m pretty sure I was a hipster and used to “ironically” lean into it but tbh I love music, studied film and philosophy and in general found myself having interest which others didn’t always get. But at the same time, I feel like so does everyone else and it’s the constraints of society that stop us from all being our most authentic self.
Or sometimes the constraints of the "I want to be unique"-movement" can prevent people from being themselves if they get laughed at or put down for liking something "mainstream" and consequentially feel forced to like only "special" things.
Daria also teaches the lesson that you have to care about shit eventually. The genius of the show is that it captures the counterculture crowd with Daria and Jane’s attitudes about the world but shows where they are flawed and encourages the viewer to go out and make a better world
I’ve never considered Jess from New Girl as a hipster but definitely Summer from 500 Days of Summer!
Thank God this recognised that Rob's love for music in High Fidelity was genuine, nothing like a hipster really.
The hipster has turned into "Hello Kitty says ACAB" aesthetic. I want to make it very clear that this aesthetic co-ops ideas from the alternative community.
The hipster will never die because it is a staple part of ever generation's youth culture. Hipsterdom goes as far back as the forties.
so basically hipsters are just the “not like other girls” people.
Except some of them are male.
When "counter culture" becomes mainstream is the old mainstream counterculture
I mean sure yeah. Hence the re-advent of mom jeans, formerly '90s preppy style now being reimagined as edgy, and what used to be called normcore. What used to be a kind of low effort default being reappropriated to signal a new kind of carefully self-aware difference
@@cherish78748 facts.
you should do a take on jackie burkhart from that 70s show. ppl dismiss her as a shallow rich girl but when you actually dig deeper into her character, she’s a lot more than that. she got cheated on multiple times by kelso and would go back to him and forgive him. she got cheated on by hyde and went back to him and forgave him. overall, i think she was just a rlly interesting character to me but i would love to see you guys do a take on her
I have a millenial sister and to be fair, the description is SUPER accurate!
Entitled, thin skin, blaming of others, want to work as an artist but doesn’t put in the real effort...
sounded as if you guys wrote this based on her!
"I'm not like the other tropes" trope.