@@kentlewis987 The worst part is they had 3 bass players in a row, Peter then Jason Scheff and then Jeff Coffee .. All 3 excellent bass players and tenor singers .. So lightning struck 3 times and they let all 3 get away .. I won’t spend money to see them live ever again sadly …
@@lamarravery4094 Jimi Jamison had such an awesome voice. I knew when he passed away. Sad & shocking. Never got to see him live. John Wetton was another one I missed out on. I have seen Cetera at least 2 dozen times = perfection.
Peter's voice IS Chicago! Yes the amazing talent, horns, Terry Kath and his brilliant guitar!!! But there is not doubt when I think of Chicago, I "hear" THAT voice! It is perfection!
I think it has to be acknowledged that Robert Lamm's voice is also Chicago. To say that Saturday In The Park or Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is isn't Chicago...that's a tough case to make.
Peter Cetera's voice was distinctive and unique.It's his voice that resonated to many people around the world.Like him or not,he made Chicago be known more via his voice.
I have been a big fan starting when they were CTA and rocked to their music, mellowed out to it, and made love while listening to it. I watched and listened as the members, styles, and music changed, but as a huge fan I took the ride with them and of course to each their own, but here we are in 2024 and the music does embrace the test of time. Chicago is the various types of great great music. Their sales back that, so let’s enjoy the guys that make up the band while we still have them
What actually impresses me about him (and I'm no fanboy) ......was his endurance all those years. With the effort he put into each song how he kept his voice for even a year let alone a few decades was pretty amazing.
Growing up as a teenager in the 90s I was a huge Peter Cetera fanatic I know him then as a balladeer.I just discovered recently by watching some of his music video from Chicago that his a rock star/bass player from 1960s-80s.How cool is that ! I even like him more and more.
After Seraphine left, Chicago became absent from the top 40 charts. I don't know if that was coincidence or not, but he did make a lot of great decisions for the band and was responsible for a lot of their success.
Absolutely agree .. I enjoyed seeing them the 3 times I saw them .. The 1st in ‘84 with Peter which was the best of course .. And really enjoyed the 50th anniversary show I saw in Atlanta .. But every time I couldn’t help but imagine seeing them with Terry .. Really wish I could’ve .. At least there’s videos …
Hi Chris, Nice Clip! While reading the comments here, I couldn't help but think of how I've always felt about the, "Windy City Seven". I equate them to an amazing natural phenomenon that occurs once and only once in a lifetime. Anyone lucky enough to witness this phenomenon is forever changed for the better. (continued below)
60s70sChicagoRock It was a satire joke. I saw a couple comments on other videos where they compared him with Owen Wilson. I knew it was Jeff Coffey. Sad he left too. He was great indeed.
Joel Anderson Todingkulla - I figured, 'cuz I've heard the Owen Wilson look-alike comment before. 😉 But for the benefit of those that weren't familiar with Jeff and his short tenure... thought I'd clarify. Jeff was a great fit... glad I got to see him, twice. Going to see them with Neil and Brett this summer. It's like a revolving door now. 😐 Thanks for commenting!
@@60s70sChicagoRock I liked Jeff. Perhaps the reason was that he did not replace Peter; he replaced Jason. But he is a very nice and talented guy and a hot blonde with great hair.
Anyone can look up the Chicago hits, about 90% of them were with Peter singing lead vocals. He was definitely a huge factor in their success. It gets me when I hear people say Peter ruined Chicago. Maybe creatively, but commercially, no.
@@pip12111 It is a well known fact that there is no love lost with the remaining original Chicsgo members & Peter. In fact, Pankow is the worst of all. Pankow never got over the fact that MTV came out and made Peter the lead singer in the videos when Chicago was supposed to be "faceless". And Pankow still resents Foster coming in and teaming up with Peter to write songs while the other guys were strung out on drugs. But those songs gave Chicago timeless hits that their sorry asses are still playing.
With Jason Schiff is when it stopped sounding like Chicago..but man it was great to have them in the background of our lives for those years before that. Thank God
That is when things got bad. Remember, these guys were friends, heck, they were family warts and all. And now tragedy struck. Several people have commented that Terry was the "peacekeeper" that he didn't like disharmony and now he was gone. Hurt feelings that are not talked out have a way of festering and cause us humans to be less than kind. I think if you look deep beneath the enmity, you will still find, if not love for each other, at the very least respect -- whether it is mentioned or not.
I'm enjoying all this info on 'Chicago', it's great for me to hear your beliefs, passions an contradictions about Chicago, whether we agree or not. Some of you have first hand info about the band, it's interesting. We obviously have one thing in common, We loved the band. 🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶
we want Peter Cetera Here in Asia specially here in Philippines, we love his music like glory of love sound track of karati kid, youre the inspiration, hard to say Im sorry, we hope peter cetera will have a tour here all over asia, specially in Philippines, Peter Cetera has a wonderful and very inspiring voice, he inspired so many people
NOT TRUE! Chicago was no longer the Chicago when Terry Kath died. When Peter Cetera took the lead, the band became a boy band 'BADUY' - thanks but not thanks courtesy of David Foster.
There is only ONE Peter Cetera. Chicago’s music definitely changed when Terry passed and Peter took lead vocals. A lot of great music was written in different eras. The fact that Chicago is still touring with EWF, tells you everything you need to know about one of the best bands that ever was.
If you listen to all their albums, the band kept evolving. It was changing even with Terry around, Peter became the focal point from 1973 and on, from then on he was singing all their hits with the exception of Lamm's forgettable Harry Truman and Kath singing Wishing You Were Here.
These guys were truly a synergistic band; each one was/is greatly talented and musically gifted in their own right, but they needed each other to create the MAGIC and they were ALL the STARS of the band. It's human nature to have favorites and of course everyone by now knows that mine is Terry, (continued below)
I watched interviews where Peter Cetera said he was looking forward to recording Chicago XVIII. Not true that Peter left to pursue a solo career. Peter left because the band drove him away. When Peter quit, he didn't even have a manager or an agent or a record company. He didn't leave while the ship was sinking - he left when the band was at its peak. There was a lot going on behind the scenes. The band just covers it up by saying Peter left to pursue a solo career.
Mainly, Peter was tired of the rigorous touring... the band basically gave him no choice, so he left... forced out, maybe. But Peter DID want to pursue solo projects. It's just fact. He already had a solo album, and his second one came soon after leaving Chicago, with "Glory of Love." Having David Foster around as a co-writer on several hits didn't exactly hurt him, either.
It's really nice-and surprising-to hear Walt praising Cetera's singing seven years after he left the band. You won't hear the boys talk this way in modern documentaries. Burying ex-band members whose last name isn't Kath is their only interest these days.
It’s even more confusing because Kath stayed alive there would be no question that he would’ve been the first one out of the band. Chicago’s a band that entirely in the gray.
They make it seem like Peter started the ballads first, but James Pankow's Just You N Me came out 3 yrs earlier, lol. It's like the whole band blames Peter for starting the ballads when it was Pankow who started them with the sappiest one of them all, Color My World.
It could never be the same without Terry Kath and Peter Cetera. Those two were irreplaceable. But, it's not any better or any worse, it's just different. Peter Cetera's voice is so unique, I don't think anybody can duplicate it.
They are not the same without those three members you missed Danny Seraphine, but calling them Nothing??? ouch so i guess the other four original members do not matter and have no talent. Wow
nobody can replace Peter Cetera .. just like no one can replace Steve Perry from Journey .. that band might continue but it will never be the same thereafter ... great band though - even to this day ...
You are forgetting 1 much more important detail. Terry!!! how many guys did the band go thew before they found a replacement for terry ? 3 or 4 guys maybe more?
101southsideboy Chicago never TRIED to replace Terry, as he could never be replaced! They've had several lead guitarists, and many members have contributed to covering Terry's original lead vocals over the years.
60s70sChicagoRock otázka je či by v skupine vydržal ak by zostal na žive, pretože mu nevyhovovala orientácia skupiny od progresívneho rocku resp. rock jazzu k rock popu a baladám a jemnému štýlu, ktorý priniesol skupine celosvetovú popularitu a zaradil ju k napredávanejším americkým skupinám 122 mil. predaných platní a v HOT 100 amerických umelcov obsadila 13.m. ako najvyššie umiestnená skupina.
Tower of Power I guess we will never know if Terry would have stayed with the band. In my opinion, he probably would NOT have wanted to continue performing Peter's/David Foster's pop ballads.
but and I mean BUT the original seven are each in their own unique way responsible for the final product -- the music that millions love and remain faithful to DECADES after hearing their first offerings. I love them all; always have, always will. Some of my favorite songs are ones in which Terry, Bobby and Peter share the leads. I strongly disagree that any one member was the voice of or was the leader of or had any more talent than any other member. Cheers! Carina
The fact is Peter has had a very successful solo career. It would have been more successful except the record label he was under contract to at the time he left Chicago refused to promote his songs on the radio and on other media. Despite that Peter had a number 1 hit off of the first album he put out after he left Chicago which was "Glory of Love". He was also nominated for an academy award for "Glory of Love" that same year and won the Golden Globe for best song in a movie for that song. The album "Glory of Love" came off of was Solitude/Solitaire which was Peter's first album he put out after leaving Chicago and it sold more than 1,000,000 copies.Peter's album far outsold the first album Chicago put out after Peter left which was called "Chicago 18". Chicago 17 was the last hit album Chicago had and Peter sang lead in or wrote 4 of the hits on that album. Peter also had number one hits singing duets with many artist like Cher, Chaka Khan, Amy Grant, Crystal Bernard, etc.The fact is Peter prospered much better after leaving "Chicago" compared to how "Chicago" prospered after he left. Peter wanted to have a solo career and still be in the band like Phil Collins did with his band Genesis, but his band members refused to agree to that so Peter left. Chicago tours all the time because they are trying to scrap out a living. Peter doesn't have to tour continuously because he is reportedly worth more than $15,000,000. He has written many songs so he is getting income from his songs, but he also tours when he wants to. In addition to having a loyal following here in the US Peter is very popular in Latin America and Asia and he tours a lot there. He became very popular in Asia and Latin America because after his record label refused to promote his albums here in the US he started touring there. I believe the original members of the band "Chicago" was the most talented group of musicians ever to be in one band. I too wish Chicago and Peter would come together one more time, but I can understand why Peter doesn't want anything to do with them. Show less
+anaga123ful Cetera actually had two number 1s on that album, the one you mentioned and a duet with Amy Grant. Personally, I didn't care for either of them, but he had a couple of tunes on it that I liked, particularly "Big Mistake", which was supposed to have been used in an episode of "Miami Vice". He subsequently charted a few more times. People can criticize Cetera all they want, but the guy had a lot of business smarts, he's worth more than the other surviving original members of Chicago combined.
What's worse in comparison because this is not really Chicago August and when to refer to but it was horrible when Journey want to try to replace Steve Perry with Steve augeri spelling is probably wrong if I'm using every quarter since I'm legally blind but hopefully recorded the name correctly yes Steve-O Jerry but they try to trick people and it didn't work he really wasn't Steve Perry with Chef he obviously is not Peter Cetera but it's also Peter's fault either has an ego Peter try too hard to make it his band and only his band he sometimes left out players of the Bands you should not have left out but that happens unfortunately in these kind of situations.
Chicago as a band is like a human body: if you lose an arm (Terry Kath) you can replace it with something like a artificial limb, and if you lose another part (Peter Cetera) you can replace it with yet another artificial thing, but.....then you'll become a zombie, no longer the body you had at birth.....
I heard these guys live right after II. They just put their amps on staged and rocked the house. Heard them again after V. Fancy set, fancy sound and it took forever to get the mics all turned on. Sometimes fancier ain't better.
I'm sorry but, Cetera is the voice of Chicago. Every other replacement they've had practically mimics Cetera's vocals note for note, or at least the attempt to...kind of the same with Foreigner and Lou...Gramm is the voice of Foreigner, same with his replacements
No reason to say sorry… It’s a fact… Jason was put in impossible position of replacing a legend … He was/is a talented singer in his own right… But..He’s no PC…
i agree with ya he is the voice of chicago,i have a dvd concert of them with earth,wind and fire but i only like the earth,wind and fire,chicago just did not sound like them to me.
Terry Kath was the heart and soul of Chicago and Peter Cetera was so much better than the vocals they have had since his departure they should not be allowed to use the name
... In addition to wanting a solo career and abhorring such a grueling tour schedule, he was also newly married with his first child and didn't want to miss out being a dad and family man. Had he been given the same latitude that other band members enjoyed, he may have stuck it out a little longer. A year or two back, Robert Lamm invited Peter back to Chicago to sing for a few limited engagements. Initially, Peter entertained the idea but by the end of their luncheon, said no because he really didn't want to work that hard anymore. I'd like to see him reconsider. Perhaps Chicago would bring back Champlin and Seraphine for a reunion concert. That would be a blowout!
+steeveomatic Danny is more forgiving and would be up for a reunion... don't think Bill would. But Champlin and Seraphine have been doing many shows together recently... Bill joining in on Danny's band, California Transit Authority. I've seen them, they are great!
+Robert G. Yes, and funny you should say that. When I met them after a show in 2013, I asked Bill if he'd also autograph my copy of Danny's book 'Street Player', and he jokingly said, "Are you sure? Remember... I was the bad guy!" Nice that they have put the past behind them.
That is a great story, Bill always seems like nice guy. I got my copy signed by Danny Seraphine himself. Actually they put the past behind them far enough that Bill sung a song on Danny's album in 2013. Type in a song called Full Circle by the California Transit Authority i must have that tune on like 3 different mix cd's.
Peter was the go-between for Danny and Bill burying the hatchet. Each one encountered the dark side of the "Chicago Corporation": Peter being bullied into giving up his solo career dreams and go back on tour (despite having just come off a tour); Danny being replaced by electronic drums and falling behind, then being blamed for Jack Goudie's death (was he/wasn't he? We will never know since Jack did have health problems. However, being the brother of a band member's wife....blood is thicker than any vow made over a kitchen table); and Bill, who was tired of trying to inject life and new songs into the set, only to have them shot down numerous times---then add in that he was told "Yeah, go play with The Sons, but make sure Lou knows your parts so he can fill in when you're not here. BTW, your job is safe." Until he was sent a FAX letting him know he was officially terminated, and Lou was permanent. After Bill was treated just as horribly as Danny had been--maybe more so, since Danny at least got to meet face to face with the men who fired him; Bill wasn't afforded that decency and respect (Bill was with CHI for 28 1/2 years!). But Bill is one of the sweetest guys you will ever meet (and has a wickedly funny sense of humour, too!) and he and Danny forgave and forgot (I don't know the full story, but I am sure I can find out), then went out with Peter to do some shows. Those three men showed the original members what it truly means to be adults.
I love the way Peter is largely ignored on this video and it's all about the other guys......I always liked CHICAGO, but, honestly, it was never the same after Peter left. Peter had enough talent to stand on his own. CHICAGO hasn't done much on their own since he left. I know I'll get flack for that, but it's true. Peter is one of the best singers on the planet Earth.
I think the production is first rate, unfortunately the technology wasn’t as good when Kath was alive so it doesn’t sound as good as it would if it was done now but Leonid and friends are great.
Jason Scheff will NEVER equal the voice &/or multi-talents (composer, lyricist, musician, producer, etc.) of Peter Cetera, who will always & 4-ever be, the face, sound & voice of CHICAGO. Peter wanted more family time w/ his wife & baby & less time on the road touring. Love seeing Peter perform on the David Foster shows on PBS-TV!!!!
Paul Naranjo Wrong about 'longest main voice.' Cetera: 1967-1985. Scheff: 1985-present. Do the math. And Chicago has always shared lead vocals. Lamm's and Kath's vocals during the early years were just as good, if not better. However, you are right about TK being the heart and soul of CTA.
60s70sChicagoRock skupina mala troch spevákov rovnakých kvalit s rozdielnou farbou hlasu...do Big Thing prijali Lamma ako hlavného speváka popri Kathovi, ktorých doplnil Cetera, pretože mal vyšší rozsah a rozdielnu farbu hlasu.už v CTA
@ceterababe Pt. 3 My loyalty IS to the original members. It would have been awesome if Peter had never left! I was fortunate to have seen them in concert before Terry’s accident. But after ’85, I chose to follow CHICAGO rather than Peter. To me, it was a family affair, and I felt Peter (with a little coaxing/grooming from Mr. Foster) alienated that family. I’m convinced that's a reason why the other band members don’t openly give him credit for his talent. Sorry if I was harsh...Chris
Without Terry Kath at the beginning, the band might have never gone as far as they did during his presence and after his death. He added the blues & soul style to the band, plus incredible guitar work. I like Terry's voice the best and the songs that he sang. After that, Chicago sounded (still sounds) like a lounge band; not a jazz/rock band. I think the other band members knew Terry was troubled and depressed, and it may have even been a suicide; not an accident. Only Terry would know that, but we'll never find out. Nevertheless, I also feel that it gave more freedom and control to Robert Lamm and Peter Cetera, as Terry Kath was the musical leader of the band prior to his death. Plus, Lamm is outspoken and Cetera is self-absorbed. And, I think the other key members somewhat despised that Terry got the spotlight more often. Call it jealousy or envy if you will… I have been a musician, vocalist and producer for over 50 years, and I know what kind of animosity and conflicts band members can have, even if they act as friends. I am also a photojournalist for international magazines and books writing about such topics after doing extensive research. What I penned above is my opinion based upon facts and reading many articles about Terry Kath and Chicago. Again, in my opinion, Chicago in the late 1960’s and 1970’s up until Terry’s untimely death was the best period for them. I never bought any Chicago albums after that time period, and I wouldn’t go see them now if it were a free concert in the park. Furthermore, when Chicago still plays songs that Terry sang with Lamm singing, it’s almost unbearable for me to listen to. They shouldn’t even attempt them. Plus, whoever is playing lead guitar can’t match Terry’s amazing and innovative guitar work. Rick Bowman / R & B Studios
Rick Bowman -- Wow dude, thanks for the insight. It carries weight to hear it from someone who actually has experience being in this type of music environment. I totally agree with their early years, kath put the rock n jazz into Chicago's rock n roll. He had that soul in his vocals n Terry to back him up. Sweet!! 🎶🎶🎶🎶
I wouldn't even use the word opinion man you are factually bang on. Chicago from 1969-1977 was the best creatively and musically. What band releases their first three albums as Double albums??? NO band other than Chicago. All quality material the CTA album is the heaviest with the most guitar. Chicago II is more diverse with some Classical a little Prog some Psych. Chicago III even more experimental and most of it fantastic you had some Spoken Word, Avant Garde, Funk, and Country Rock even. Holy Shit Chicago in the first 5 to 6 years were ambitious creative they had Brass ones for sure. They were not afraid to take chances their music was gutsy it was raw. For anyone who think's their 80's material was better they are just plain wrong. I like what you wrote Rick i wish i was your age so i could have seen them in concert back then.
One more point: If you look at the writing credits on those albums, you'll notice that the biggest output came from Robert Lamm and James Pankow (trombone), and then Terry, and THEN Peter...CALL ON ME (which Peter sang lead on, was written by Lee Loughnane (trumpet)...The notion of Peter Cetera being the "leader" of Chicago, is a false one...Of course, once David Foster took over, it became a different story, but the "real" Chicago was a BAND where everyone had input...
I don't need to re-read a thing. I was referring to the INITIAL fight backstage, when Danny whaled on Jimmy J. THAT'S what started it all. The fallout that led to Jack's punching Danny (yes, Jack threw the first punch), then Jack's subsequent firing and heart attack was a blow to Walt's family and became a major part of Danny's demise with the band.
this is my opinion....graduated high school in 1985, i grew up on the 80's chicago, which was wimpy ( imho ) more focus on the ballads of the 80's which is nothing like what they were originally, kinda like what happened to styx in the 80's with Mr. Roboto , but just the past week I have watched some old Chicago video's and seen how much they rocked and it changed my opinion of them.. so the thing with Chicago sucking, is probably the fact they were introduced to them in the 80's , so those who were lucky enough to grow up with them in the 70's saw a different band them the mtv generation ( like me ) Got
@nick christopoulos Very true. You were smart to check out Chicago's early stuff, which a lot of 80's teens don't do. imo... the Terry Kath years were the best!
Actually he wanted to do a solo album. They said no, you sign this new contract or your out. So he left and since then Chicago has yet to repeat that sucess they had. You see you can put a symphony behind Peter, close your eyes and you hear Chicago. You can't say that about the band...it karaoke with instruments...sorry Jason
David Hoiles A symphony?? You mean the original horns, Danny on drums, in addition to having Robert Lamm and, rip... Terry Kath's vocals and guitar. Only *then* would it sound like Chicago.
The real Chicago sound is jazz rock, with the horns front and centre -- and a great rhythm section led by Kath. Ironically, Cetera was a pretty good jazz bassist, as well. Couldn't give a damn if after Cetera they didn't have multi-platinum albums. I listen to real music, not awards
+David Hoiles BOOM!!! Jason Scheff is trash. I cannot go see them live again after hearing Jason flatly falsetto his way thru Pete's perfect full voice. KARAOKE INDEED!!
Lot of delusions about Cetera out there. As someone who saw them live many times in the 70s, and who has studied voice,, I can tell you that as good as Cetera was in the studio he could be off live. Ironically, thus is because a lot of stuff was actually just a bit beyond his true range. Lowdown is his range; Searching is not
Ah interesting you have a good ear or should i say great. Now im not a musician but i guess the vocal for Lowdown is a little lower than Iv'e Been Searching So Long. Now what would you say is Peter's highest vocal with Chicago 25 Or 6 To 4
Jason's voice was great in a recording studio layed down on an album, but live he was not that great. Cetera sounded the same live or studio. I think they sounded their best when Cetera and Champlin were together. Harmonies were fantastic then.
Walt Parazaider can say what he wants about being upset when Peter left, but he has no real right to complain about a guy wanting to do his own thing. I thing Walt has come to terms with that much of it, but the truth is that Peter was not a part of the original six members who all knew each other from school and was never treated as such. In fact, he was treated like 'hired help' for much of his career. He said as much during an interview a few years before he left. He was a tremendous talent they picked up when Peters band, The Exceptions, was about to break up. Robert Lamm was playing bass on pedals while singing and playing keyboards. If that wasn't enough of a challenge, the group had no tenor voice to complete the harmony they wanted to achieve. Peter was a Godsend for the group, but had a little too much talent to not attempt to breakout on his own. He basically carried the band from Chicago X onward until he left in '85.
+steeveomatic I always considered Kath to be the band's soul, Lamm its heart, and Cetera its cash register. He made those guys a slew of cash, and he should have walked after Kath accidently killed himself. He missed out on solo success he could have had from 1978 to 1985.
+Robert G. I totally agree with you that Peter should have left long before he did. There is no doubt that he could have been a superstar. As it turned out he still had a very successful career. By the time he left the group by his own admission he was burned out with touring non-stop and he realized he wanted to time off to be there to help raise his daughter.
+steeveomatic Yes, re. PC being the "outsider" in the band since he was last to join. In terms of the band's dynamics, he had more in common with George & Ringo, even though Cetera's idol was McCartney.
I think you're missing the most important point. Cetera and the rest always had somewhat different musical vision. He could write in the Chicago sound -- cf Lowdown -- but as far back as In Terms of Two, What Else can I Say, Where do we go from here, et al., you could see something quite different than jazz-rock. Also, even at that, it took Peter several albums to finally start writing hits. The core talent was originally Bobby (who wrote the lion's share and put them on the map), Pankow horn arrangements, and, live, Kath
I just watched a video "Why Peter Cetera left Chicago" ...then it said "Comments are turned off" grrrrrrr.... WHY show the video if you CAN'T COMMENT?????!?!?!
@steve rollins I know exactly who you're talking about... "The Real Music Observer" aka David Spuria. He turned off comments a while back because he tends to be a bit too opinionated and music fans were giving him all kinds of sh*t, lol!! I have two other channels, one which gets way more activity than this one, and sometimes you get tired of monitoring the trolls. But this one has always had great comments. Thanks for watching!
The Real Music Observer just wants to express his opinions, and I'd like to fire back at him since I don't agree with his assessments about Peter leaving Chicago.
@ceterababe Pt. 1 I didn't mean 'wake-up call' in an unfriendly manner, and I’m sorry if it came off that way. But when someone says that Chicago hasn't done anything, it's like 'wait a minute!' True, maybe they don't keep cranking out #1 hits, but ANY band who continues to perform long after their peak years survives on the tunes that made them famous in the first place. (cont.)
@carina2244 Hey Carina...just got back from a short 'vacay', and I really enjoyed reading your comments! Everything you said is SO TRUE! I get irritated when I see other PC or TK lovers dissing the rest of the group as a 'cover' band without those guys in the group. It is truly amazing how cohesive this band has been over the years. That IS an amazing phenomenon...once in a lifetime, as you say. Love the comments between you and 'whisky' btw...how funny :D
I have no problem with hits and don't really consider success a sell out. But as a musician I can say I have no desire to play any Cetera Foster style "hits". Robert Lamn, Pankow, Terry Kath....make me pick up my instrument and play for hours...what does that say.
@bze2nlz1 My god I couldn't possibly add anything to this discussion...I'm not a Chicago expert like you guys. All I know is that their early sound has a unique ability to rekindle great memories from my youth, and Kath had one of the most soulful voices of any singer of the rock era. I confess I didn't pay much attention to them after the early 70's. Please forgive my ignorance! - Whisky
This is a interesting point of view. From my recollection, it was the music and all of the original members that brought Chicago to the surface. At lease from 1969 to mid 1970s. And they were good and worth it because during that time, bands with a horn section were commonplace. For me it was the great music and the sound production of those early Columbia records. The drum sound to me is legend. Terry, Robert and Peter all singing lead, blazing horns, lead guitar and one of the most accurate drummers I've ever heard. Danny is not forgotten. And they were right what they said about touring. I would see them every year in the early years.
Originally it was Terry's vocals and Robert and Jame's compositions that made them successful, but when Peter took the lead in vocals and writing, he became the focal point and without him they'd be lost, and they had minimal success without him. Chicago 19 was a huge success because of Diane Warren's songs.
I attended the ‘72 concert at the SF Civic Auditorium, when they played in support of McGovern. (Legalize Pot). They were the band I first heard in ‘69, too. It was better with songs going back and forth, vocally. I used to match Peter, word for word, in my car. Their 80’s sound was a sellout to original fans. I don’t care how music morphs over the decades. Loved the horns. Later, Huey Lewis reminded me a little of CTA. It’s an old rock sound, back when I bought gas in LA for 12 cents a gallon. Hello?
They're not telling the truth about Peter....they forced him out! Tell the truth! Peter was one of the best frontmen...ever. I am a lot younger, but had a big crush on him 😂
@Jessi Brunson Peter was not forced out. There was a growing conflict of egos (Peter being in the MTV-era spotlight) and the band's musical direction in the 80's. David Foster had groomed Peter for a solo career and bottom line... it was Peter's decision to leave Chicago. As I've stated on this page before, he was tired of the endless touring and wanted a solo career. He's even stated so in various interviews.
@@60s70sChicagoRock I heard Peter say that they wouldn't allow him to do a Solo album....said they gave him a choice, their way, or the highway...in so many words.
@carina2244 (continued)...a huge part of CHICAGO and I'm not saying others weren't. But my point is that this video CLEARLY snubs Peter and credit is not being given to one of the most recognizable members of the group who contributed a lot between his singing ablities, which helped bring on the hits and his songwriting abilities.
@ceterababe (continued) What it boils down to is that BOTH PC and Chicago have enough talent to stand on their own. It's unfair to say Chicago hasn't done much on their own...simply not true. Chicago fans could easily say the same thing about PC. Chicago will always have its following, same as Peter...they will both continue to tour, draw crowds, and be successful in their own right.
I took an excerpt from a tv show that featured the 1992 film, "Chicago: And the Band Played On." This segment talked about Peter's years with the band. You'll have to ask Warner Bros. why they mixed that picture in there....
@ceterababe Pt. 2 Robert Lamm continues to be a brilliant songwriter and producer outside the group. Jason and Keith are also involved in their own solo projects. Yet the #1 priority for all of them right now is CHICAGO and keeping that music alive for however long their fans will have them! As for Jason, I agree that his voice hasn’t been consistent. I’ve even stated my concerns about that on other posts. Time will tell how that will play out. (cont.)
Every time I hear replacement vocalists attempting Peter’s songs, the more I appreciate his voice.
@@kentlewis987 The worst part is they had 3 bass players in a row, Peter then Jason Scheff and then Jeff Coffee .. All 3 excellent bass players and tenor singers .. So lightning struck 3 times and they let all 3 get away .. I won’t spend money to see them live ever again sadly …
@@mantlemailI love Jason Scheff!
Chicago hasn't been the same since Peter left, he was a huge part of Chicago's success. I mean, what a voice, no one comes near that voice.
When did Peter leave the band?
@@KeyofDavid5778 You must not be a fan, but he left in 1985.
@@lamarravery4094 I saw them live in 1978..... Had the move around the country and lost track thanks for the info.
@@KeyofDavid5778 That's ok, I should talk, I liked the band Survivor and wasn't aware til recently that the lead singer Jimi Jamison died in 2014.
@@lamarravery4094 Jimi Jamison had such an awesome voice. I knew when he passed away. Sad & shocking. Never got to see him live. John Wetton was another one I missed out on. I have seen Cetera at least 2 dozen times = perfection.
Peter's voice IS Chicago! Yes the amazing talent, horns, Terry Kath and his brilliant guitar!!! But there is not doubt when I think of Chicago, I "hear" THAT voice! It is perfection!
I think it has to be acknowledged that Robert Lamm's voice is also Chicago. To say that Saturday In The Park or Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is isn't Chicago...that's a tough case to make.
@@mikestevenson576 Cannot forget the wonderful soulful voice of Terry Kath either!
Wishin he was here!
Pete, doing "Stronger Every Day" at Caribou is one of the best vocal performances ever.
Peter Cetera's voice was distinctive and unique.It's his voice that resonated to many people around the world.Like him or not,he made Chicago be known more via his voice.
So true!
PETER CETERA IS THE VOICE OF CHICAGO & ALWAYS WILL BE!!!
Pete is older now and doesn’t have the range, but when he and Terry sang against one another back in the 70’s there was nothing better
Yeah man....
The range might not be the same but it's pretty damn close and sounds awesome. Sadly, he recently retired.
In their prime they were simply great. Even up until Terry died they were still great together!
Actually Peter & Bill Champlin were the Best Sound together- an UNBEATABLE Combo!
Cetera retired a few years ago out of concern of losing his voice.
I have been a big fan starting when they were CTA and rocked to their music, mellowed out to it, and made love while listening to it. I watched and listened as the members, styles, and music changed, but as a huge fan I took the ride with them and of course to each their own, but here we are in 2024 and the music does embrace the test of time. Chicago is the various types of great great music. Their sales back that, so let’s enjoy the guys that make up the band while we still have them
There’s no question Cetera is among the best rock vocalists of all time.
What actually impresses me about him (and I'm no fanboy) ......was his endurance all those years. With the effort he put into each song how he kept his voice for even a year let alone a few decades was pretty amazing.
BEAUTIFUL
OMG you just made me spit coffee out my nose with that inane statement
Paul Rogers listen to Sing A Mean Tune Kid
Agreed and to me Peter was Chicago...Love him..
Growing up as a teenager in the 90s I was a huge Peter Cetera fanatic I know him then as a balladeer.I just discovered recently by watching some of his music video from Chicago that his a rock star/bass player from 1960s-80s.How cool is that ! I even like him more and more.
Anna Fernan There are many great 70's & 80's Chicago vids here on YT! PC's on tour right now... maybe at a city near you. :)
Peter was amazing.. He had a voice for love songs.. Chicago never recovered when he left...
Peter could belt out some rockers as well. Problem was, they lost the knack of writing catchy rock songs. Ballads came easier for them to do.
Chicago is still performing 🎭 The only thing that I remember from Ceterra's solo career was his duet with Amy Grant. Did I miss something?
After Terry died and Peter quit, and they fired original drummer Chicago was history. Became tribute band.
After Seraphine left, Chicago became absent from the top 40 charts. I don't know if that was coincidence or not, but he did make a lot of great decisions for the band and was responsible for a lot of their success.
Absolutely agree .. I enjoyed seeing them the 3 times I saw them .. The 1st in ‘84 with Peter which was the best of course .. And really enjoyed the 50th anniversary show I saw in Atlanta .. But every time I couldn’t help but imagine seeing them with Terry .. Really wish I could’ve .. At least there’s videos …
Love Peter, his voice is so good to hear. Great band
Whenever I hear a Chicago song it takes me back to summers of the early to mid 70s for some reason. Great memories.
TK was the driving force of CHICAGO. The edges got blunt after TK died.
True!!!!
Peter is the GOAT !!!
Hi Chris, Nice Clip! While reading the comments here, I couldn't help but think of how I've always felt about the, "Windy City Seven". I equate them to an amazing natural phenomenon that occurs once and only once in a lifetime. Anyone lucky enough to witness this phenomenon is forever changed for the better. (continued below)
He was correct in ranking Cetera's voice in the top 5!
To me, Peter Cetera IS Chicago. I guess because it seems most of his songs made the airwaves. But I know Terry and Robert also sang as well as Bill
Peter always was my favorite part of the band
Nobody can replace Peter Cetera!
Janeide Andrade Damn right, then eventually, Owen Wilson replaced Pete and Jason in 2016. He left just last month.
@Joel - haha. Jeff Coffey is a much better bassist than "Owen Wilson." Better looking, too.
60s70sChicagoRock It was a satire joke. I saw a couple comments on other videos where they compared him with Owen Wilson. I knew it was Jeff Coffey. Sad he left too. He was great indeed.
Joel Anderson Todingkulla - I figured, 'cuz I've heard the Owen Wilson look-alike comment before. 😉 But for the benefit of those that weren't familiar with Jeff and his short tenure... thought I'd clarify. Jeff was a great fit... glad I got to see him, twice. Going to see them with Neil and Brett this summer. It's like a revolving door now. 😐 Thanks for commenting!
@@60s70sChicagoRock I liked Jeff. Perhaps the reason was that he did not replace Peter; he replaced Jason. But he is a very nice and talented guy and a hot blonde with great hair.
cetera is perfect voice of chicago
Agreed!!!!
CHICAGO SHOULD THANKS PETER CETERA FOR THE HITS THAT THE BAND HAD WITH HIS VOICE,I DONT BELIEVE OTHER SINGER COULD MAKE A HIT WITH THE SAME SONGS.
What makes you think they didnt?
Because they don't talk to Peter
Anyone can look up the Chicago hits, about 90% of them were with Peter singing lead vocals. He was definitely a huge factor in their success. It gets me when I hear people say Peter ruined Chicago. Maybe creatively, but commercially, no.
@@pip12111 It is a well known fact that there is no love lost with the remaining original Chicsgo members & Peter. In fact, Pankow is the worst of all. Pankow never got over the fact that MTV came out and made Peter the lead singer in the videos when Chicago was supposed to be "faceless". And Pankow still resents Foster coming in and teaming up with Peter to write songs while the other guys were strung out on drugs. But those songs gave Chicago timeless hits that their sorry asses are still playing.
Agreed. DS was and still is one of the best rock drummers. I had learned a lot of drumming skills from him now and then.
With Jason Schiff is when it stopped sounding like Chicago..but man it was great to have them in the background of our lives for those years before that.
Thank God
That is when things got bad. Remember, these guys were friends, heck, they were family warts and all. And now tragedy struck. Several people have commented that Terry was the "peacekeeper" that he didn't like disharmony and now he was gone. Hurt feelings that are not talked out have a way of festering and cause us humans to be less than kind. I think if you look deep beneath the enmity, you will still find, if not love for each other, at the very least respect -- whether it is mentioned or not.
I'm enjoying all this info on 'Chicago', it's great for me to hear your beliefs, passions an contradictions about Chicago, whether we agree or not. Some of you have first hand info about the band, it's interesting. We obviously have one thing in common, We loved the band. 🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶
we want Peter Cetera Here in Asia specially here in Philippines, we love his music like glory of love sound track of karati kid, youre the inspiration, hard to say Im sorry, we hope peter cetera will have a tour here all over asia, specially in Philippines, Peter Cetera has a wonderful and very inspiring voice, he inspired so many people
+clare benett Has Cetera ever participated in/recorded for any Japanese anime?
NOT TRUE! Chicago was no longer the Chicago when Terry Kath died. When Peter Cetera took the lead, the band became a boy band 'BADUY' - thanks but not thanks courtesy of David Foster.
1967-1985 Cetera years
Still awesome in 2020
There is only ONE Peter Cetera. Chicago’s music definitely changed when Terry passed and Peter took lead vocals. A lot of great music was written in different eras.
The fact that Chicago is still touring with EWF, tells you everything you need to know about one of the best bands that ever was.
If you listen to all their albums, the band kept evolving. It was changing even with Terry around, Peter became the focal point from 1973 and on, from then on he was singing all their hits with the exception of Lamm's forgettable Harry Truman and Kath singing Wishing You Were Here.
These guys were truly a synergistic band; each one was/is greatly talented and musically gifted in their own right, but they needed each other to create the MAGIC and they were ALL the STARS of the band. It's human nature to have favorites and of course everyone by now knows that mine is Terry, (continued below)
Cetera was put on earth to sing pop tunes....few are better
Just saw Cetera at Iowa state fair....he was awesome...!
Cliff Note ...Do you know where he is touring now? I live in South Carolina.
check his site
Cliff Note ...Thanks Cliff!
What songs did he sing?
Thanks
All his hits of course.....check out setlist.fm.com
I watched interviews where Peter Cetera said he was looking forward to recording Chicago XVIII. Not true that Peter left to pursue a solo career. Peter left because the band drove him away. When Peter quit, he didn't even have a manager or an agent or a record company. He didn't leave while the ship was sinking - he left when the band was at its peak. There was a lot going on behind the scenes. The band just covers it up by saying Peter left to pursue a solo career.
Mainly, Peter was tired of the rigorous touring... the band basically gave him no choice, so he left... forced out, maybe. But Peter DID want to pursue solo projects. It's just fact. He already had a solo album, and his second one came soon after leaving Chicago, with "Glory of Love." Having David Foster around as a co-writer on several hits didn't exactly hurt him, either.
No record label? Not true! He was signed to WB before the band was! (Peter Cetera was released in 1981, Chicago 16 in 1982)
Christopher U.S. Smith is in
Peter Cetera was a great asset for Chicago. Sad that he had to go!
True!!!
It's really nice-and surprising-to hear Walt praising Cetera's singing seven years after he left the band. You won't hear the boys talk this way in modern documentaries. Burying ex-band members whose last name isn't Kath is their only interest these days.
How true... and very sad.
Jealous and bitter old men
It’s even more confusing because Kath stayed alive there would be no question that he would’ve been the first one out of the band. Chicago’s a band that entirely in the gray.
They make it seem like Peter started the ballads first, but James Pankow's Just You N Me came out 3 yrs earlier, lol. It's like the whole band blames Peter for starting the ballads when it was Pankow who started them with the sappiest one of them all, Color My World.
Chicago wasn't the same after two major changes: Terry Kath's death in 1978 and when Peter Cetera left the band in 1985.
It could never be the same without Terry Kath and Peter Cetera. Those two were irreplaceable. But, it's not any better or any worse, it's just different. Peter Cetera's voice is so unique, I don't think anybody can duplicate it.
Three Major Changes Drummer Danny Seraphine's firing in 1990
The greatest band in the land!
Cetera was too sappy for me in the 80's, but 70's Chicago songs were more my cup of tea, Saturday in the park is a good example
Color My World was pretty sappy. And Peter didn't sing that one.
@@lamarravery4094 'Color My World' was part of the suite, "Ballad for a Girl in Buchannon." I'm sure not every part suited every fan.
Replacing Peter Cetera is like the Beatles replacing Paul McCartney. Sorry but our hearts are bonded to Cetera, mine since I was a little girl.
Chicago is nothing without Terry or Peter.
They are not the same without those three members you missed Danny Seraphine, but calling them Nothing??? ouch so i guess the other four original members do not matter and have no talent. Wow
RIP Tarry Kath⛪
They are good if Lamm is doing the lead
@@MillerGenuineDraft1980 They're not as good. No one could ever replace the original 7.
Best all around band ever.,Scotty
nobody can replace Peter Cetera .. just like no one can replace Steve Perry from Journey .. that band might continue but it will never be the same thereafter ... great band though - even to this day ...
You are forgetting 1 much more important detail. Terry!!! how many guys did the band go thew before they found a replacement for terry ? 3 or 4 guys maybe more?
101southsideboy
silly -- Terry was one of the founding members .. lol ...
101southsideboy
Chicago never TRIED to replace Terry, as he could never be replaced! They've had several lead guitarists, and many members have contributed to covering Terry's original lead vocals over the years.
60s70sChicagoRock otázka je či by v skupine vydržal ak by zostal na žive, pretože mu nevyhovovala orientácia skupiny od progresívneho rocku resp. rock jazzu k rock popu a baladám a jemnému štýlu, ktorý priniesol skupine celosvetovú popularitu a zaradil ju k napredávanejším americkým skupinám 122 mil. predaných platní a v HOT 100 amerických umelcov obsadila 13.m. ako najvyššie umiestnená skupina.
Tower of Power
I guess we will never know if Terry would have stayed with the band. In my opinion, he probably would NOT have wanted to continue performing Peter's/David Foster's pop ballads.
Here, here!...Especially on that LAST point!...Thanks.
but and I mean BUT the original seven are each in their own unique way responsible for the final product -- the music that millions love and remain faithful to DECADES after hearing their first offerings. I love them all; always have, always will. Some of my favorite songs are ones in which Terry, Bobby and Peter share the leads. I strongly disagree that any one member was the voice of or was the leader of or had any more talent than any other member. Cheers! Carina
The fact is Peter has had a very successful solo career. It would have been more successful except the record label he was under contract to at the time he left Chicago refused to promote his songs on the radio and on other media. Despite that Peter had a number 1 hit off of the first album he put out after he left Chicago which was "Glory of Love". He was also nominated for an academy award for "Glory of Love" that same year and won the Golden Globe for best song in a movie for that song. The album "Glory of Love" came off of was Solitude/Solitaire which was Peter's first album he put out after leaving Chicago and it sold more than 1,000,000 copies.Peter's album far outsold the first album Chicago put out after Peter left which was called "Chicago 18". Chicago 17 was the last hit album Chicago had and Peter sang lead in or wrote 4 of the hits on that album. Peter also had number one hits singing duets with many artist like Cher, Chaka Khan, Amy Grant, Crystal Bernard, etc.The fact is Peter prospered much better after leaving "Chicago" compared to how "Chicago" prospered after he left. Peter wanted to have a solo career and still be in the band like Phil Collins did with his band Genesis, but his band members refused to agree to that so Peter left. Chicago tours all the time because they are trying to scrap out a living. Peter doesn't have to tour continuously because he is reportedly worth more than $15,000,000. He has written many songs so he is getting income from his songs, but he also tours when he wants to. In addition to having a loyal following here in the US Peter is very popular in Latin America and Asia and he tours a lot there. He became very popular in Asia and Latin America because after his record label refused to promote his albums here in the US he started touring there. I believe the original members of the band "Chicago" was the most talented group of musicians ever to be in one band. I too wish Chicago and Peter would come together one more time, but I can understand why Peter doesn't want anything to do with them.
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+anaga123ful Cetera actually had two number 1s on that album, the one you mentioned and a duet with Amy Grant. Personally, I didn't care for either of them, but he had a couple of tunes on it that I liked, particularly "Big Mistake", which was supposed to have been used in an episode of "Miami Vice". He subsequently charted a few more times. People can criticize Cetera all they want, but the guy had a lot of business smarts, he's worth more than the other surviving original members of Chicago combined.
+anaga123ful boom - drop the mike anaga - perfectly stated
yes, you are right, every time he sings my NERVES start screeming to STOP!!!!!
Terry Kath- irreplaceable. Peter a Cetera- irreplaceable. Bobby Lamm- irreplaceable
The original 7 was the tightest, best band ever. Truly, every member contributed to their sound, that will never happen again.
Off topic, but I have a strong feeling 2015 is the year Chicago gets into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
Well Barry Bonds isn't in the HOF either and he should be too
Josie Pussycats The R n R Hall of Fame is more about Obscure acts. Then they have to through in some of the popular acts from time to time.
+Josie Pussycats You were close!
Josie Pussycats and you right and wrong, Chicago inducted to rock and roll hall of fame in 2017
@Fahd Haykal - They were inducted *last* year, 2016.
Joe Montegna was in a band at the same time as a band called The Missing Links. That band had Walter, Terry, and Danny in it.
@blucy10 Here's a video where Joe talks about his relationship with Chicago: ruclips.net/video/1z-IkWKEx8A/видео.html
If you don't get Peter cetera back you'll never be Chicago
Thanks!
When I first heard Chicago it was with Peter. I like it since I never heard math singer.
What's a 'math singer'??
Yes I’m curious what’s a math singer? Lol
Kath sing?
wouldn't say that Jason Scheff is a bad singer, but it's tough for him to replace Peter Cetera. btw Who would?
Scheff is terrible!
What's worse in comparison because this is not really Chicago August and when to refer to but it was horrible when Journey want to try to replace Steve Perry with Steve augeri spelling is probably wrong if I'm using every quarter since I'm legally blind but hopefully recorded the name correctly yes Steve-O Jerry but they try to trick people and it didn't work he really wasn't Steve Perry with Chef he obviously is not Peter Cetera but it's also Peter's fault either has an ego Peter try too hard to make it his band and only his band he sometimes left out players of the Bands you should not have left out but that happens unfortunately in these kind of situations.
As good a singer Peter is, listen to the early stuff he is a stellar bass player
He doesn't get a lot of credit for his excellent bass playing. He was pretty awesome, but that voice, it's one of a kind.
Very nice song i play in band many time !...
Chicago as a band is like a human body: if you lose an arm (Terry Kath) you can replace it with something like a artificial limb, and if you lose another part (Peter Cetera) you can replace it with yet another artificial thing, but.....then you'll become a zombie, no longer the body you had at birth.....
+NikkkitoNippongo LOL. That's a perfect analogy.
+NikkkitoNippongo For me no Peter no Chicago PERIOD!!! and no Journey without Steve Perry, No Styx with out Dennis.
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I love Peter Cartara he's awsam
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I heard these guys live right after II. They just put their amps on staged and rocked the house. Heard them again after V. Fancy set, fancy sound and it took forever to get the mics all turned on. Sometimes fancier ain't better.
I'm sorry but, Cetera is the voice of Chicago. Every other replacement they've had practically mimics Cetera's vocals note for note, or at least the attempt to...kind of the same with Foreigner and Lou...Gramm is the voice of Foreigner, same with his replacements
No reason to say sorry… It’s a fact… Jason was put in impossible position of replacing a legend … He was/is a talented singer in his own right… But..He’s no PC…
i agree with ya he is the voice of chicago,i have a dvd concert of them with earth,wind and fire but i only like the earth,wind and fire,chicago just did not sound like them to me.
Peter Cetera, amazing but Jason Scheff left us some great songs also.
Love them.
Terry Kath was the heart and soul of Chicago and Peter Cetera was so much better than the vocals they have had since his departure they should not be allowed to use the name
... In addition to wanting a solo career and abhorring such a grueling tour schedule, he was also newly married with his first child and didn't want to miss out being a dad and family man. Had he been given the same latitude that other band members enjoyed, he may have stuck it out a little longer. A year or two back, Robert Lamm invited Peter back to Chicago to sing for a few limited engagements. Initially, Peter entertained the idea but by the end of their luncheon, said no because he really didn't want to work that hard anymore. I'd like to see him reconsider. Perhaps Chicago would bring back Champlin and Seraphine for a reunion concert. That would be a blowout!
+steeveomatic Danny is more forgiving and would be up for a reunion... don't think Bill would. But Champlin and Seraphine have been doing many shows together recently... Bill joining in on Danny's band, California Transit Authority. I've seen them, they are great!
+60s70sChicagoRock Ironically, Champlain was instrumental in ousting Seraphine from the band.
+Robert G. Yes, and funny you should say that. When I met them after a show in 2013, I asked Bill if he'd also autograph my copy of Danny's book 'Street Player', and he jokingly said, "Are you sure? Remember... I was the bad guy!" Nice that they have put the past behind them.
That is a great story, Bill always seems like nice guy. I got my copy signed by Danny Seraphine himself. Actually they put the past behind them far enough that Bill sung a song on Danny's album in 2013. Type in a song called Full Circle by the California Transit Authority i must have that tune on like 3 different mix cd's.
Peter was the go-between for Danny and Bill burying the hatchet. Each one encountered the dark side of the "Chicago Corporation": Peter being bullied into giving up his solo career dreams and go back on tour (despite having just come off a tour); Danny being replaced by electronic drums and falling behind, then being blamed for Jack Goudie's death (was he/wasn't he? We will never know since Jack did have health problems. However, being the brother of a band member's wife....blood is thicker than any vow made over a kitchen table); and Bill, who was tired of trying to inject life and new songs into the set, only to have them shot down numerous times---then add in that he was told "Yeah, go play with The Sons, but make sure Lou knows your parts so he can fill in when you're not here. BTW, your job is safe." Until he was sent a FAX letting him know he was officially terminated, and Lou was permanent.
After Bill was treated just as horribly as Danny had been--maybe more so, since Danny at least got to meet face to face with the men who fired him; Bill wasn't afforded that decency and respect (Bill was with CHI for 28 1/2 years!). But Bill is one of the sweetest guys you will ever meet (and has a wickedly funny sense of humour, too!) and he and Danny forgave and forgot (I don't know the full story, but I am sure I can find out), then went out with Peter to do some shows. Those three men showed the original members what it truly means to be adults.
The Pankow Mullet is a terrifying thing. Wow! :-D
I love the way Peter is largely ignored on this video and it's all about the other guys......I always liked CHICAGO, but, honestly, it was never the same after Peter left. Peter had enough talent to stand on his own. CHICAGO hasn't done much on their own since he left. I know I'll get flack for that, but it's true. Peter is one of the best singers on the planet Earth.
Hey Everybody!! You have to check out these boys from RUSSIA play CHICAGO!! Their name is Leonid & Friends/BAAAD DUDES!!
beginnerkeys They are pretty awesome... been watching their videos for a while now.
They are absolutely fantastic at re-creating vintage Chicago!
awesome
I think the production is first rate, unfortunately the technology wasn’t as good when Kath was alive so it doesn’t sound as good as it would if it was done now but Leonid and friends are great.
You hear a lot about Kath and Cetera and for good reason but to me Jimmy Pankow is the real unsung hero of this band. He wrote so many amazing songs.
Real prick though. Can’t stand him.
They were all very talented with their own instruments and they all wrote songs. They were our Beatles.
Jason Scheff will NEVER equal the voice &/or multi-talents (composer, lyricist, musician, producer, etc.) of Peter Cetera, who will always & 4-ever be, the face, sound & voice of CHICAGO. Peter wanted more family time w/ his wife & baby & less time on the road touring. Love seeing Peter perform on the David Foster shows on PBS-TV!!!!
Peter Cetera, was the longest main voice of Chicago.. But the REAL heart and soul of CTA will forever be Terry Kath...
Paul Naranjo
Wrong about 'longest main voice.' Cetera: 1967-1985. Scheff: 1985-present. Do the math. And Chicago has always shared lead vocals. Lamm's and Kath's vocals during the early years were just as good, if not better. However, you are right about TK being the heart and soul of CTA.
I was referring to the ORIGINALS man...
Paul Naranjo
and SO WAS I.
60s70sChicagoRock skupina mala troch spevákov rovnakých kvalit s rozdielnou farbou hlasu...do Big Thing prijali Lamma ako hlavného speváka popri Kathovi, ktorých doplnil Cetera, pretože mal vyšší rozsah a rozdielnu farbu hlasu.už v CTA
I was not expecting Joe Montegna/Agent Rossi to be telling me about Chicago 😂
@notDonaldFagen - This video explains Joe Montegna's connection to Chicago: ruclips.net/video/1z-IkWKEx8A/видео.html 🙂
@ceterababe Pt. 3 My loyalty IS to the original members. It would have been awesome if Peter had never left! I was fortunate to have seen them in concert before Terry’s accident. But after ’85, I chose to follow CHICAGO rather than Peter. To me, it was a family affair, and I felt Peter (with a little coaxing/grooming from Mr. Foster) alienated that family. I’m convinced that's a reason why the other band members don’t openly give him credit for his talent. Sorry if I was harsh...Chris
Chicago was the best
Without Terry Kath at the beginning, the band might have
never gone as far as they did during his presence and after his death. He added
the blues & soul style to the band, plus incredible guitar work.
I like Terry's voice the best and the songs that he sang.
After that, Chicago sounded (still sounds) like a lounge band; not a jazz/rock band. I think the other band members knew Terry was troubled and depressed, and it may have even been a suicide; not an accident.
Only Terry would know that, but we'll never find out.
Nevertheless, I also feel that it gave more freedom and control to Robert Lamm and
Peter Cetera, as Terry Kath was the musical leader of the band prior to his death. Plus, Lamm is outspoken and Cetera is self-absorbed.
And, I think the other key members somewhat despised that
Terry got the spotlight more often. Call it jealousy or envy if you will… I
have been a musician, vocalist and producer for over 50 years, and I know what
kind of animosity and conflicts band members can have, even if they act as
friends.
I am also a photojournalist for international magazines and
books writing about such topics after doing extensive research. What I penned
above is my opinion based upon facts and reading many articles about Terry Kath
and Chicago.
Again, in my opinion, Chicago
in the late 1960’s and 1970’s up until Terry’s untimely death was the best
period for them. I never bought any Chicago
albums after that time period, and I wouldn’t go see them now if it were a free
concert in the park.
Furthermore, when Chicago still plays songs that Terry sang with Lamm singing, it’s almost unbearable for me to listen to. They shouldn’t even attempt them. Plus, whoever is playing lead guitar can’t match Terry’s amazing and innovative guitar work.
Rick Bowman / R & B Studios
Rick Bowman -- Wow dude, thanks for the insight. It carries weight to hear it from someone who actually has experience being in this type of music environment. I totally agree with their early years, kath put the rock n jazz into Chicago's rock n roll. He had that soul in his vocals n Terry to back him up. Sweet!! 🎶🎶🎶🎶
Rick Bowman -- I meant Peter to back him up. 🎶🎶🎶🎶
I wouldn't even use the word opinion man you are factually bang on. Chicago from 1969-1977 was the best creatively and musically. What band releases their first three albums as Double albums??? NO band other than Chicago. All quality material the CTA album is the heaviest with the most guitar. Chicago II is more diverse with some Classical a little Prog some Psych. Chicago III even more experimental and most of it fantastic you had some Spoken Word, Avant Garde, Funk, and Country Rock even. Holy Shit Chicago in the first 5 to 6 years were ambitious creative they had Brass ones for sure. They were not afraid to take chances their music was gutsy it was raw. For anyone who think's their 80's material was better they are just plain wrong. I like what you wrote Rick i wish i was your age so i could have seen them in concert back then.
One more point: If you look at the writing credits on those albums, you'll notice that the biggest output came from Robert Lamm and James Pankow (trombone), and then Terry, and THEN Peter...CALL ON ME (which Peter sang lead on, was written by Lee Loughnane (trumpet)...The notion of Peter Cetera being the "leader" of Chicago, is a false one...Of course, once David Foster took over, it became a different story, but the "real" Chicago was a BAND where everyone had input...
The Cetera Era
I don't need to re-read a thing. I was referring to the INITIAL fight backstage, when Danny whaled on Jimmy J. THAT'S what started it all. The fallout that led to Jack's punching Danny (yes, Jack threw the first punch), then Jack's subsequent firing and heart attack was a blow to Walt's family and became a major part of Danny's demise with the band.
does anybody know the name of the song playing in the background at 4:45 through 5:30 ?
sallyanndahl Sounds like 'West Virginia Fantasies'... track #4 of the 'Ballet for a Girl in Buchannon' suite... off the Chicago II lp.
@@60s70sChicagoRock thanks so much! I had the song on an album many moons ago and loved it, couldn't recall the name.
@@sallyanndahl No problem, thanks for watching!
this is my opinion....graduated high school in 1985, i grew up on the 80's chicago, which was wimpy ( imho ) more focus on the ballads of the 80's which is nothing like what they were originally, kinda like what happened to styx in the 80's with Mr. Roboto , but just the past week I have watched some old Chicago video's and seen how much they rocked and it changed my opinion of them.. so the thing with Chicago sucking, is probably the fact they were introduced to them in the 80's , so those who were lucky enough to grow up with them in the 70's saw a different band them the mtv generation ( like me ) Got
@nick christopoulos Very true. You were smart to check out Chicago's early stuff, which a lot of 80's teens don't do. imo... the Terry Kath years were the best!
Actually he wanted to do a solo album. They said no, you sign this new contract or your out. So he left and since then Chicago has yet to repeat that sucess they had. You see you can put a symphony behind Peter, close your eyes and you hear Chicago. You can't say that about the band...it karaoke with instruments...sorry Jason
David Hoiles A symphony?? You mean the original horns, Danny on drums, in addition to having Robert Lamm and, rip... Terry Kath's vocals and guitar. Only *then* would it sound like Chicago.
The real Chicago sound is jazz rock, with the horns front and centre -- and a great rhythm section led by Kath. Ironically, Cetera was a pretty good jazz bassist, as well. Couldn't give a damn if after Cetera they didn't have multi-platinum albums. I listen to real music, not awards
+David Hoiles BOOM!!! Jason Scheff is trash. I cannot go see them live again after hearing Jason flatly falsetto his way thru Pete's perfect full voice. KARAOKE INDEED!!
Lot of delusions about Cetera out there. As someone who saw them live many times in the 70s, and who has studied voice,, I can tell you that as good as Cetera was in the studio he could be off live. Ironically, thus is because a lot of stuff was actually just a bit beyond his true range. Lowdown is his range; Searching is not
Ah interesting you have a good ear or should i say great. Now im not a musician but i guess the vocal for Lowdown is a little lower than Iv'e Been Searching So Long. Now what would you say is Peter's highest vocal with Chicago 25 Or 6 To 4
Peter Cetera was the best.
At what? Ruining good bands?
Yeah, I guess he was really good at that...lol.
At cheesy crap. Cetera refused to sing "Old Days" because it was "corny" then wrote "If You Leave Me Now." Blech.
@@paulrogers6037 Great name mon!!!!
If You Leave Me Now just so happens to be one of my most favorite songs in the entire world.
I love Chicago. The death of
Terry Kath was\is still so tragic.
True!!!!
Peter cetera
Jason's voice was great in a recording studio layed down on an album, but live he was not that great. Cetera sounded the same live or studio. I think they sounded their best when Cetera and Champlin were together. Harmonies were fantastic then.
Walt Parazaider can say what he wants about being upset when Peter left, but he has no real right to complain about a guy wanting to do his own thing. I thing Walt has come to terms with that much of it, but the truth is that Peter was not a part of the original six members who all knew each other from school and was never treated as such. In fact, he was treated like 'hired help' for much of his career. He said as much during an interview a few years before he left. He was a tremendous talent they picked up when Peters band, The Exceptions, was about to break up. Robert Lamm was playing bass on pedals while singing and playing keyboards. If that wasn't enough of a challenge, the group had no tenor voice to complete the harmony they wanted to achieve. Peter was a Godsend for the group, but had a little too much talent to not attempt to breakout on his own. He basically carried the band from Chicago X onward until he left in '85.
+steeveomatic I always considered Kath to be the band's soul, Lamm its heart, and Cetera its cash register. He made those guys a slew of cash, and he should have walked after Kath accidently killed himself. He missed out on solo success he could have had from 1978 to 1985.
+Robert G.
I totally agree with you that Peter should have left long before he did. There is no doubt that he could have been a superstar. As it turned out he still had a very successful career. By the time he left the group by his own admission he was burned out with touring non-stop and he realized he wanted to time off to be there to help raise his daughter.
+steeveomatic
All I can say is "Amen".
+steeveomatic Yes, re. PC being the "outsider" in the band since he was last to join. In terms of the band's dynamics, he had more in common with George & Ringo, even though Cetera's idol was McCartney.
I think you're missing the most important point. Cetera and the rest always had somewhat different musical vision. He could write in the Chicago sound -- cf Lowdown -- but as far back as In Terms of Two, What Else can I Say, Where do we go from here, et al., you could see something quite different than jazz-rock. Also, even at that, it took Peter several albums to finally start writing hits. The core talent was originally Bobby (who wrote the lion's share and put them on the map), Pankow horn arrangements, and, live, Kath
Amazing
I just watched a video "Why Peter Cetera left Chicago"
...then it said "Comments are turned off" grrrrrrr.... WHY show the video if you CAN'T COMMENT?????!?!?!
@steve rollins I know exactly who you're talking about... "The Real Music Observer" aka David Spuria. He turned off comments a while back because he tends to be a bit too opinionated and music fans were giving him all kinds of sh*t, lol!! I have two other channels, one which gets way more activity than this one, and sometimes you get tired of monitoring the trolls. But this one has always had great comments. Thanks for watching!
@@60s70sChicagoRock thank YOU!!!
OMG, 60"s and 70's?
=Da BEST!!!
Yeah I don't understand why he did that. Half the interest in a channel is reading the comments.
The Real Music Observer just wants to express his opinions, and I'd like to fire back at him since I don't agree with his assessments about Peter leaving Chicago.
@@60s70sChicagoRock, I only watch The Real Music Observer for my amusement.
@ceterababe Pt. 1 I didn't mean 'wake-up call' in an unfriendly manner, and I’m sorry if it came off that way. But when someone says that Chicago hasn't done anything, it's like 'wait a minute!' True, maybe they don't keep cranking out #1 hits, but ANY band who continues to perform long after their peak years survives on the tunes that made them famous in the first place. (cont.)
@carina2244 Hey Carina...just got back from a short 'vacay', and I really enjoyed reading your comments! Everything you said is SO TRUE! I get irritated when I see other PC or TK lovers dissing the rest of the group as a 'cover' band without those guys in the group. It is truly amazing how cohesive this band has been over the years. That IS an amazing phenomenon...once in a lifetime, as you say. Love the comments between you and 'whisky' btw...how funny :D
I have no problem with hits and don't really consider success a sell out. But as a musician I can say I have no desire to play any Cetera Foster style "hits". Robert Lamn, Pankow, Terry Kath....make me pick up my instrument and play for hours...what does that say.
Amo su musica 😍💙🙏
También AMO las canciones de CHICAGO.
@bze2nlz1 My god I couldn't possibly add anything to this discussion...I'm not a Chicago expert like you guys. All I know is that their early sound has a unique ability to rekindle great memories from my youth, and Kath had one of the most soulful voices of any singer of the rock era. I confess I didn't pay much attention to them after the early 70's. Please forgive my ignorance! - Whisky
To be honest, Cetera was the one who brought this band to the surface
Exactly!
This is a interesting point of view. From my recollection, it was the music and all of the original members that brought Chicago to the surface. At lease from 1969 to mid 1970s. And they were good and worth it because during that time, bands with a horn section were commonplace. For me it was the great music and the sound production of those early Columbia records. The drum sound to me is legend. Terry, Robert and Peter all singing lead, blazing horns, lead guitar and one of the most accurate drummers I've ever heard. Danny is not forgotten. And they were right what they said about touring. I would see them every year in the early years.
Originally it was Terry's vocals and Robert and Jame's compositions that made them successful, but when Peter took the lead in vocals and writing, he became the focal point and without him they'd be lost, and they had minimal success without him. Chicago 19 was a huge success because of Diane Warren's songs.
jason couldn't hold peter jock strap !!!! damn what this band could have done if terry were still hear ???? that dude was the best period ...
Lonnie Bean -- That's funny, dude.
Who wants to hold anyone's Jock Strap?!
I attended the ‘72 concert at the SF Civic Auditorium, when they played in support of McGovern. (Legalize Pot). They were the band I first heard in ‘69, too. It was better with songs going back and forth, vocally. I used to match Peter, word for word, in my car. Their 80’s sound was a sellout to original fans. I don’t care how music morphs over the decades. Loved the horns. Later, Huey Lewis reminded me a little of CTA. It’s an old rock sound, back when I bought gas in LA for 12 cents a gallon. Hello?
They're not telling the truth about Peter....they forced him out! Tell the truth! Peter was one of the best frontmen...ever. I am a lot younger, but had a big crush on him 😂
@Jessi Brunson Peter was not forced out. There was a growing conflict of egos (Peter being in the MTV-era spotlight) and the band's musical direction in the 80's. David Foster had groomed Peter for a solo career and bottom line... it was Peter's decision to leave Chicago. As I've stated on this page before, he was tired of the endless touring and wanted a solo career. He's even stated so in various interviews.
@@60s70sChicagoRock I heard Peter say that they wouldn't allow him to do a Solo album....said they gave him a choice, their way, or the highway...in so many words.
@@jessiem276 Yes, ultimately it did come down to that.
@@jessiem276 Correct.
Jessie McGuinty that’s terrible, because Chicago effectively died that day.
@carina2244 (continued)...a huge part of CHICAGO and I'm not saying others weren't. But my point is that this video CLEARLY snubs Peter and credit is not being given to one of the most recognizable members of the group who contributed a lot between his singing ablities, which helped bring on the hits and his songwriting abilities.
@ceterababe (continued) What it boils down to is that BOTH PC and Chicago have enough talent to stand on their own. It's unfair to say Chicago hasn't done much on their own...simply not true. Chicago fans could easily say the same thing about PC. Chicago will always have its following, same as Peter...they will both continue to tour, draw crowds, and be successful in their own right.
@bze2nlz1 is all over the place. Why didn't they use Jason??
Why is there a clip of Jason at 3:20 if this is about the "Peter Cetera years"?
I took an excerpt from a tv show that featured the 1992 film, "Chicago: And the Band Played On." This segment talked about Peter's years with the band. You'll have to ask Warner Bros. why they mixed that picture in there....
When Peter left Chicago I left Chicago Period!
@ceterababe Pt. 2 Robert Lamm continues to be a brilliant songwriter and producer outside the group. Jason and Keith are also involved in their own solo projects. Yet the #1 priority for all of them right now is CHICAGO and keeping that music alive for however long their fans will have them! As for Jason, I agree that his voice hasn’t been consistent. I’ve even stated my concerns about that on other posts. Time will tell how that will play out. (cont.)
Man! Chicago hasn't been that great since Cetera left the group!!!