Like you I went straight from a manual (and a diesel in my case) to an EV (Niro). One of the first things I noticed was that I no longer had a bit of a headache and was not tired at the end of a long journey. For me that's one of the best thinga about driving an EV.
Spot on. That's how I feel. I did know I'd driven 400 miles in 3 days after this trip, but instead of feeling like I needed to crawl into a box and sleep for the rest of the week as I would've done with an ICE car, I was still pretty productive once I got home.
I think the 80% recommendation is old advice now - not sure many of the dealers understand the ins and outs of EVs and just say it to cover themselves a bit. Modern EV batteries are thermally cooled now so I think it's less of an issue in your car, than say a Nissan LEAF, for example...When I had a LEAF I made a decision to just use the car as a normal car. I charged it to 100% more often than not, using a variety of sources (and speeds) over the 3 years I had it. At the end I was curious about the battery health. I had done 48k miles, and the battery capacity was measured as 96% at that point when I gave it back. The LEAF is probably one of the worst for degradation and that figure left me quite encouraged for future cars with better battery management. Great content, enjoying the insights :)
That’s so interesting to hear! I’m sure you’re right. I’m charging up to 100% whenever the electricity price drops down to a really low level - I’m not worrying too much about how often that is. Thanks for your kind words. So pleased you’re enjoying the content 😌
Excellent video as always Andy! I no longer own my Ariya now, swapped it for a Skoda Enyaq. But all the things you commented on like the sat nav voice and the overestimating the amount of battery charge you would use were issues I’d had too. Overall though I love owning an EV, I’m on Intelligent Octopus Go and pay 7p per KWh overnight, which is awesome. And like you I very rarely have to rapid charge. Anyway keep up the good work mate 👍🏻
Thanks Tony. The Enyaq looks like a great car. I have Dutch friends who own one and they travel from their home to the UK and back and love it. I was looking at Intelligent Octopus Go but I'm unsure. I don't think my mileage is high enough. The standing charge is 14p higher per day over the Tracker tariff I'm on. Having an ASHP makes a big difference too, especially in the colder months when the heating is on. I can't see anything beating Tracker unless my EV mileage increases quite a bit. Having said all that, it's great to have all these smart tariffs available to suit everyone's differing use cases. I'd be interested to know the reasons why you swapped your Ariya out for the Skoda if you're willing to share?
Yes I can share why I changed. I had several annoying issues with my Ariya, which was almost the same as yours. 63 kWh advance in Aurora Green with the technology pack and a cream interior, not very practical I know lol. The issues were the blind spot monitoring on the N/S never worked from day one, went to Nissan on several occasions to try and remedy but to no avail, they contacted Nissan several times but no joy, even tried their own demonstrator that had the exact same issue. Also the remote climate control setting would set off the car alarm in cold weather, this is also something they just couldn’t resolve. Heated steering wheel had a mind of its own, had Dunlop Sport Maxx tyres fitted which were abysmal, with little grip and I felt they were dangerous in the wet. Wireless charging pad would stop charging my phone unless it was in a very specific position, so as soon as you brake or go round a corner it would stop charging. The door mirrors sometimes would not unfold when unlocking the car, interior lights, front and rear would remain lit no matter what I tried to do with the switches. There was also a couple of others that I don’t remember. I am a Motability user so I complained to them and they agreed I could reject it and choose another. Shame really as I lived it to start with then all the problems just soured the whole experience
Electroverse gets my Kia Soul range wrong as well. It says my "real range" is 230. This is flat wrong. I can easily get 260 - 270 even on pretty much 100% motorway runs. It might seem trivial but that could easily lead to their system telling me i need to charge more than i need, or at all when i dont. I find the GOM is very good and i can go by that. Re charging to 80% or whatever, i say "pah!". Theres a BMS and a buffer, thats what they are for, managing stuff. Can I also say how refreshing it is to see an EV trip that doesn't involve charging. People watching most EV videos must have the impresssion drivers are stopping to charge every ten minutes because thats whats in most vids. ps just subbed. ETA drove round that horrible A3/M25 junction at about 18 mins in a couple weeks ago.
Thanks for your feedback and kind comments. You're right - I've picked up the vibe from serveral ICE drivers I know that they think I must spend most of my life charging. I made a video recently where I took a friend out for their first drive in an EV and he couldn't believe I drove all the way to my holiday cottage the previous year without charging. You could see the cogs turning - he'd clearly heard inaccurate stories about that kind of thing. Despite my car being the "small" battery version of the vehicle, the range is spot on for what I need. I was lucky with the traffic on the A3/M25 section - got through without too much of a hold up!
How do you figure trains are more ecologically friendly? You're likely using less peak rate (dirty) electricity going by EV per passenger and you don't need a taxi/bus either end. Up here trains are diesel (electrification stops around Edinburgh), they're therefore never more eco than a wind and rain powered EV, other than they're travelling regardless, but you could justify flying on the basis they're travelling regardless.
All fair points. I'd walk either end so no bus/taxi required. The train, like the plane, is going anyway so arguably me sitting on there and not driving my car is the eco option, however my car is powered. But it's all niggly little details. I'm happy with my trip up in the EV. The power I used was from fully renewable sources and I got that guaranteed seat the train never gives me on that route. I'd definitely drive again in the future. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts. :)
@@TheRamblyChannel thanks to Beeching my railway station within walking distance closed in 1965. Nearest station now is over 20 miles by road and charges for parking. Means I don't use the train much, having a car is a necessity, so with embedded costs of having a car anyway using the train makes no sense.
@@grahamleiper1538 Same for me, 15 miles to the nearest station for a train to Inverness that then takes 4 hours! It only costs about £40 for the return journey but the car is 1.5 hours quicker each way and at my average 75% charging from solar PV only costs £8 and that's if I include 2p/mile for tyres and servicing. Similar for the eco side of things, nothing can compete with 75% solar and even the GB grid average of 130g/kWhr, let alone the north of Scotland grid average of under 10g/kWhr
Ioniq 6 estimates quite well remaining battery percentage. Regarding cost of the train. The car also cost in depretiation, service, insurance etc. Costs that increase with use. Also you don’t have to drive. You can work or relax. Use the time whatever that is worth.
It’s a fair point. The insurance and servicing costs are there anyway. Depreciation is a factor, but not a massive one in this case. It’s more relaxing on the train but that assumes you can get a seat and they run on time both of which aren’t guaranteed on this route. Standing for 2 and a half hours in a packed carriage is not relaxing at all. The combination of huge cost savings, guaranteed seat and knowing my car is there when I expect it to be more than tip it over the edge for me. It’s sad because public transport should always be the better option.
Train transportation in Southern California is a idealistic fantasy. The best I can hope for is a park and ride on one end and walk on the other. Now with evs, the transportation costs is less than half of driving a gasser. I'm in the habit of shopping and going to the gym on my return trip which would be a headaches with train travel, or a separate trip from home. To make train travel practical they need to take a loss on fairs and have a generational commitment. It needs to be stable for decades to have mass adoption
Our VW ID.3 has a slider to set the percentage charge in 10% intervals but also a separate battery care mode setting which will not let the charge go above 80% even if the slider is set higher. I also understand that it is good for cell balancing to slow charge (AC) to 100% once every few months and then go on a long trip bringing the battery as low as possible before doing an AC charge back to 100% and drive it until it gets low again. Then reset to 80%. Our use habits easily accomodates this. Tomorrow we're on a 160 mile round trip so no need to charge whilst out and about and we don't need to charge above 80% overnight either.
Thanks for the helpful info. It makes a great deal of sense. I'm probably sort of doing that now and then - I've certainly run it low not that long ago (to about 6%) and then I'm pretty sure that was followed by a pretty decent charge after as the day rate was low. It's annoying that the Ariya doesn't have the ability to set a limit in software - it seems such an obvious thing to include.
I had a Skoda Karoq 1.5 TSi with DSG gearbox and that was the last straw for me, I found it to be more tiring than a manual because of constant gear changing around town, and it was utterly awful on the single track roads in this area, it just didn't know what gear to be in. Ditched it for a Kona EV and no way I'd ever go back. Regarding charging to 80% vs 100%. Dr Euan McTurk has always said that there nothing intrinsically wrong with charging to 100% on a regular basis, maybe once or even twice a week if the car is quite heavily used, as it allows the cells to be properly balanced. The problem the manufacturers have is differentiating between that scenario and the quite common EV newbie habit of charging after every use, if they say you can charge to 100% no problem then there will be group of owners who will do that every night even if they've only done 20 miles and are sitting at 90%+.
Glad to hear that the Kona is such a success. Great car! That's a good point about different owners and makes a good deal of sense. I was surprised that no battery management tips were given anywhere by Nissan pre- or post-purchase. I take an interest so will learn and try to do what's best but as you quite rightly point on, most consumers simply won't care about that. I suppose with a long battery warranty the onus is on Nissan to look at any issues that may cause, but in the second hand market once the battery is out of warranty that could be cause for concern. I've heard a SOC certificate for second hand EVs being talked about and I think that's a good idea. An interesting topic! Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts. Andy
@@JasonKing-m6m The CVT will also be constantly changing gear just like the DSG, although quite ironically it will change in pre-programmed steps to feel just like the DSG because people don't like the sensation of CVTs and constant revs.
On your point about range, I agree there's plenty. At the end of June I drove to Scotland, stopping at Gretna Green after 280 miles. My 87kWh battery was still reporting 15% remaining. Interested to see how that changes in winter but we'd be stopping before then anyway just for toilet breaks. Like you my default thought for long work journeys is to use trains. I get your logic on price too, but I was wondering what the travel time by train would have been like, especially as you were delayed by roadworks? I usually consider the travel time in my decision, plus if I need to get any work done while travelling. I've seen others talk about depreciation and maintenance but come on we're not going to get that nitty gritty talking about costs. But the value in travel time and work could justify the additional costs for some.
Thanks for your feedback on the experience with the larger battery version. Your point about work and train travel is a good one. The journey time is between 2 and 2 and half hours by train (depending on which service) so is longer than the car unless I get stuck in a particularly nasty traffic jam. On the train I don't get any work done coming back as I usually have to stand. Going, I can get the odd thing done but the nature of my work and how I organise things makes it tricky to achieve anything productive. I usually end up reading a book or listening to a podcast.
That's true. It's so wrong, it makes it a pretty pointless feature. It's such a shame as they got everything else more or less spot on with this. I hope one day they remember that they can do OTA updates and actually get around to releasing one and fixing this.
Agree my 87 kW evolve also underestimates the range to such an extent that it recommends completely needless charging stops. So I don’t use the inbuilt satnav on long trips instead use apple carplay much better and completely agree about the graphics being much better. The inbuilt Sat Nav only advantage is it shows in the heads up. I never use the voice sound with the heads up you don’t need it.
I am still struggling with the 80% charging on my Ariya. There is nothing to help you to charge to that limit. I watch the phone app but if charging at night it goes to 100%. Perhaps, they may do an update. Thx ,until next time.
It’s annoying. Luckily for me I charge during the day and not at night so I set an alarm so I can take the car off when it gets to about 80%. I know it goes up by about 12% per hour so can have a pretty good stab at working out when to set the alarm for. The lack of an 80% limit is preventing me switching to an overnight EV tariff. Thanks for watching! 👍🏻😀
@@TheRamblyChannelon Intelligent Octopus Go you can tell the app how much energy you want to add and can adjust it every time you plug in. I have it integrated to my Zappi but on Tesla you can set maximum state of charge regardless so really don't have the issue.
Don't forget with the train you're paying for it infrastructure and maintenance. For true price comparison perhaps you should be including the annualised cost of mileage over the lifetime of your car and calculating it from there!
They mean don't charge to 100% indicated, forget about the hidden buffers, 80% was correct. My 23 Chevy bolt EV has adjustable charge limit, I set mine for a little below 80%
I can't remember the last time I had to fill a petrol tank. Much easier to spend 5 seconds plugging in and then go and do something else, like drinking tea or being kind to strangers.
@@TheRamblyChannel you dodged the subject. I dont need to have a tea and wait for my tank to be filled , its done in about 1 min and I am away on my journey
@@patthewoodboy 1 minute 😂 Does that include the time to drive there, fuel and pay? I very much doubt anyone could refuel one of your old fashioned petrol cars as fast as I start/stop charging my EV. You really don't have a clue do you?
@@TheRamblyChannel fair comment , but will your electric car be in your ownership in 20 years ? My Focus is 2004 and running fine . Remind me how much a new battery is for you EV ? You dodged the question about 80% again. The drive to fill up is included in my journey , I dont fill up for the sake of it (note the space before the comma :-))
They have a warranty of a minimum of 100k miles and 8 years, but plenty of tests of high mileage cars on YT which show minimal degradation, maybe 5%, on batteries with 150k+ miles on them. The early Nissan Leaf was an exception due to lack of thermal management but that's not the case on cars made in the last 5 years or so, there's no reason to think the batteries won't comfortably last at least 15-20 years. Even if you did have to change a battery you wouldn't buy a new one for a car with 100k miles on it, same as you wouldn't put a brand new engine in a petrol car of that age. At this moment I can buy a used battery for a Kona EV for £1700 and fitting takes 2 hours maximum; you can pay that much to replace the timing belt on some petrol cars.
The battery in an EV will very likely outlast the car. The vehicle will rust and fall apart before the battery needs replacing. Indeed, there's plenty of evidence to suggest that batteries will go on to have second life elsewhere outside of the car. There are early EVs from over a decade ago that still have perfectly serviceable batteries and the technology has come on leaps and bounds since then. The manufacturers wouldn't give 8 year warranties if they didn't think their battery packs were any good. There's a great deal of misinformation around this issue but seriously isn't something that people should worry about. There's a good deal more that can go wrong in a combustion engine that can cost you huge amounts of cash to sort out.
Only if you drive at the optimal speed where wind resistance, rolling resistance, mechanical drag and motor/inverter efficiency are all at the sweet spot. Tesla have produced range vs speed graphs and the most efficient speed is around 35mph, I'm assuming you wouldn't drive at that speed on the motorway? At 70mph the range will be about 30% - 40% lower. In real world driving EVs get much better efficiency around town than on motorways because of minimal drag at low speeds and regen when braking. Maybe your experience of EVs has been different?
@patthewoodboy You don't have a clue how to spell "don't" and you shouldn't have a space before the commas. I'll give you a generous 2 out of 10 for effort but 0 out of 10 for accuracy. In future, you might want to ask your mummy for some help with the grammar and long words, and also spend at least 5 minutes checking what you're saying is actually correct before posting it.
@@patthewoodboy Who said anything about petrol cars? The video was about superior, up to date, modern EV technology. I have no interest in your cancer causing throwbacks.
17:00 you are one of those people who did not happen to see the fucking road signs in the past 3 miles saying exactly which lane to take to get where you want to go and end up jumping the queue a the very end. I have had to take the exact same motorway to Heathrow multiple times and the amount of people who knowingly jump the queue is infuriating.
Like you I went straight from a manual (and a diesel in my case) to an EV (Niro). One of the first things I noticed was that I no longer had a bit of a headache and was not tired at the end of a long journey. For me that's one of the best thinga about driving an EV.
Spot on. That's how I feel. I did know I'd driven 400 miles in 3 days after this trip, but instead of feeling like I needed to crawl into a box and sleep for the rest of the week as I would've done with an ICE car, I was still pretty productive once I got home.
I think the 80% recommendation is old advice now - not sure many of the dealers understand the ins and outs of EVs and just say it to cover themselves a bit. Modern EV batteries are thermally cooled now so I think it's less of an issue in your car, than say a Nissan LEAF, for example...When I had a LEAF I made a decision to just use the car as a normal car. I charged it to 100% more often than not, using a variety of sources (and speeds) over the 3 years I had it. At the end I was curious about the battery health. I had done 48k miles, and the battery capacity was measured as 96% at that point when I gave it back. The LEAF is probably one of the worst for degradation and that figure left me quite encouraged for future cars with better battery management.
Great content, enjoying the insights :)
That’s so interesting to hear! I’m sure you’re right. I’m charging up to 100% whenever the electricity price drops down to a really low level - I’m not worrying too much about how often that is. Thanks for your kind words. So pleased you’re enjoying the content 😌
Excellent video as always Andy! I no longer own my Ariya now, swapped it for a Skoda Enyaq. But all the things you commented on like the sat nav voice and the overestimating the amount of battery charge you would use were issues I’d had too. Overall though I love owning an EV, I’m on Intelligent Octopus Go and pay 7p per KWh overnight, which is awesome. And like you I very rarely have to rapid charge. Anyway keep up the good work mate 👍🏻
Thanks Tony. The Enyaq looks like a great car. I have Dutch friends who own one and they travel from their home to the UK and back and love it. I was looking at Intelligent Octopus Go but I'm unsure. I don't think my mileage is high enough. The standing charge is 14p higher per day over the Tracker tariff I'm on. Having an ASHP makes a big difference too, especially in the colder months when the heating is on. I can't see anything beating Tracker unless my EV mileage increases quite a bit. Having said all that, it's great to have all these smart tariffs available to suit everyone's differing use cases. I'd be interested to know the reasons why you swapped your Ariya out for the Skoda if you're willing to share?
Yes I can share why I changed. I had several annoying issues with my Ariya, which was almost the same as yours. 63 kWh advance in Aurora Green with the technology pack and a cream interior, not very practical I know lol. The issues were the blind spot monitoring on the N/S never worked from day one, went to Nissan on several occasions to try and remedy but to no avail, they contacted Nissan several times but no joy, even tried their own demonstrator that had the exact same issue. Also the remote climate control setting would set off the car alarm in cold weather, this is also something they just couldn’t resolve. Heated steering wheel had a mind of its own, had Dunlop Sport Maxx tyres fitted which were abysmal, with little grip and I felt they were dangerous in the wet. Wireless charging pad would stop charging my phone unless it was in a very specific position, so as soon as you brake or go round a corner it would stop charging. The door mirrors sometimes would not unfold when unlocking the car, interior lights, front and rear would remain lit no matter what I tried to do with the switches. There was also a couple of others that I don’t remember. I am a Motability user so I complained to them and they agreed I could reject it and choose another. Shame really as I lived it to start with then all the problems just soured the whole experience
Electroverse gets my Kia Soul range wrong as well. It says my "real range" is 230. This is flat wrong. I can easily get 260 - 270 even on pretty much 100% motorway runs.
It might seem trivial but that could easily lead to their system telling me i need to charge more than i need, or at all when i dont. I find the GOM is very good and i can go by that.
Re charging to 80% or whatever, i say "pah!". Theres a BMS and a buffer, thats what they are for, managing stuff.
Can I also say how refreshing it is to see an EV trip that doesn't involve charging. People watching most EV videos must have the impresssion drivers are stopping to charge every ten minutes because thats whats in most vids.
ps just subbed.
ETA drove round that horrible A3/M25 junction at about 18 mins in a couple weeks ago.
Thanks for your feedback and kind comments. You're right - I've picked up the vibe from serveral ICE drivers I know that they think I must spend most of my life charging. I made a video recently where I took a friend out for their first drive in an EV and he couldn't believe I drove all the way to my holiday cottage the previous year without charging. You could see the cogs turning - he'd clearly heard inaccurate stories about that kind of thing. Despite my car being the "small" battery version of the vehicle, the range is spot on for what I need. I was lucky with the traffic on the A3/M25 section - got through without too much of a hold up!
How do you figure trains are more ecologically friendly? You're likely using less peak rate (dirty) electricity going by EV per passenger and you don't need a taxi/bus either end.
Up here trains are diesel (electrification stops around Edinburgh), they're therefore never more eco than a wind and rain powered EV, other than they're travelling regardless, but you could justify flying on the basis they're travelling regardless.
All fair points. I'd walk either end so no bus/taxi required. The train, like the plane, is going anyway so arguably me sitting on there and not driving my car is the eco option, however my car is powered. But it's all niggly little details. I'm happy with my trip up in the EV. The power I used was from fully renewable sources and I got that guaranteed seat the train never gives me on that route. I'd definitely drive again in the future. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts. :)
@@TheRamblyChannel thanks to Beeching my railway station within walking distance closed in 1965. Nearest station now is over 20 miles by road and charges for parking. Means I don't use the train much, having a car is a necessity, so with embedded costs of having a car anyway using the train makes no sense.
@@grahamleiper1538 Same for me, 15 miles to the nearest station for a train to Inverness that then takes 4 hours! It only costs about £40 for the return journey but the car is 1.5 hours quicker each way and at my average 75% charging from solar PV only costs £8 and that's if I include 2p/mile for tyres and servicing. Similar for the eco side of things, nothing can compete with 75% solar and even the GB grid average of 130g/kWhr, let alone the north of Scotland grid average of under 10g/kWhr
Ioniq 6 estimates quite well remaining battery percentage.
Regarding cost of the train. The car also cost in depretiation, service, insurance etc. Costs that increase with use. Also you don’t have to drive. You can work or relax. Use the time whatever that is worth.
It’s a fair point. The insurance and servicing costs are there anyway. Depreciation is a factor, but not a massive one in this case. It’s more relaxing on the train but that assumes you can get a seat and they run on time both of which aren’t guaranteed on this route. Standing for 2 and a half hours in a packed carriage is not relaxing at all. The combination of huge cost savings, guaranteed seat and knowing my car is there when I expect it to be more than tip it over the edge for me. It’s sad because public transport should always be the better option.
Train transportation in Southern California is a idealistic fantasy. The best I can hope for is a park and ride on one end and walk on the other. Now with evs, the transportation costs is less than half of driving a gasser. I'm in the habit of shopping and going to the gym on my return trip which would be a headaches with train travel, or a separate trip from home. To make train travel practical they need to take a loss on fairs and have a generational commitment. It needs to be stable for decades to have mass adoption
Totally agree. It's the same here. But not everywhere. I believe that the train system in Germany is very cheap but reliable so it can be done!
Our VW ID.3 has a slider to set the percentage charge in 10% intervals but also a separate battery care mode setting which will not let the charge go above 80% even if the slider is set higher.
I also understand that it is good for cell balancing to slow charge (AC) to 100% once every few months and then go on a long trip bringing the battery as low as possible before doing an AC charge back to 100% and drive it until it gets low again. Then reset to 80%.
Our use habits easily accomodates this.
Tomorrow we're on a 160 mile round trip so no need to charge whilst out and about and we don't need to charge above 80% overnight either.
Thanks for the helpful info. It makes a great deal of sense. I'm probably sort of doing that now and then - I've certainly run it low not that long ago (to about 6%) and then I'm pretty sure that was followed by a pretty decent charge after as the day rate was low. It's annoying that the Ariya doesn't have the ability to set a limit in software - it seems such an obvious thing to include.
I had a Skoda Karoq 1.5 TSi with DSG gearbox and that was the last straw for me, I found it to be more tiring than a manual because of constant gear changing around town, and it was utterly awful on the single track roads in this area, it just didn't know what gear to be in. Ditched it for a Kona EV and no way I'd ever go back.
Regarding charging to 80% vs 100%. Dr Euan McTurk has always said that there nothing intrinsically wrong with charging to 100% on a regular basis, maybe once or even twice a week if the car is quite heavily used, as it allows the cells to be properly balanced. The problem the manufacturers have is differentiating between that scenario and the quite common EV newbie habit of charging after every use, if they say you can charge to 100% no problem then there will be group of owners who will do that every night even if they've only done 20 miles and are sitting at 90%+.
Glad to hear that the Kona is such a success. Great car! That's a good point about different owners and makes a good deal of sense. I was surprised that no battery management tips were given anywhere by Nissan pre- or post-purchase. I take an interest so will learn and try to do what's best but as you quite rightly point on, most consumers simply won't care about that. I suppose with a long battery warranty the onus is on Nissan to look at any issues that may cause, but in the second hand market once the battery is out of warranty that could be cause for concern. I've heard a SOC certificate for second hand EVs being talked about and I think that's a good idea. An interesting topic! Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts. Andy
Just get a CVT ICE and no "constant gear changing around town"......
@@JasonKing-m6mWhat an odd thing to say. That’s like suggesting to Henry Ford that he buys a horse and cart… 🤔
@@JasonKing-m6m The CVT will also be constantly changing gear just like the DSG, although quite ironically it will change in pre-programmed steps to feel just like the DSG because people don't like the sensation of CVTs and constant revs.
On your point about range, I agree there's plenty. At the end of June I drove to Scotland, stopping at Gretna Green after 280 miles. My 87kWh battery was still reporting 15% remaining. Interested to see how that changes in winter but we'd be stopping before then anyway just for toilet breaks.
Like you my default thought for long work journeys is to use trains. I get your logic on price too, but I was wondering what the travel time by train would have been like, especially as you were delayed by roadworks? I usually consider the travel time in my decision, plus if I need to get any work done while travelling. I've seen others talk about depreciation and maintenance but come on we're not going to get that nitty gritty talking about costs. But the value in travel time and work could justify the additional costs for some.
Thanks for your feedback on the experience with the larger battery version.
Your point about work and train travel is a good one. The journey time is between 2 and 2 and half hours by train (depending on which service) so is longer than the car unless I get stuck in a particularly nasty traffic jam. On the train I don't get any work done coming back as I usually have to stand. Going, I can get the odd thing done but the nature of my work and how I organise things makes it tricky to achieve anything productive. I usually end up reading a book or listening to a podcast.
Route estimators should take into account incline / decline, current traffic, outside temperature for heat & ac, but not over react
That's true. It's so wrong, it makes it a pretty pointless feature. It's such a shame as they got everything else more or less spot on with this. I hope one day they remember that they can do OTA updates and actually get around to releasing one and fixing this.
My Ariya does the exact same thing with battery percentage on the sat nav 😮
It’s shockingly inaccurate. If they ever start doing OTA software updates this surely has to be one of the things they need to fix.
Yeah, that would be good 👍
Agree my 87 kW evolve also underestimates the range to such an extent that it recommends completely needless charging stops. So I don’t use the inbuilt satnav on long trips instead use apple carplay much better and completely agree about the graphics being much better. The inbuilt Sat Nav only advantage is it shows in the heads up. I never use the voice sound with the heads up you don’t need it.
I am still struggling with the 80% charging on my Ariya.
There is nothing to help you to charge to that limit.
I watch the phone app but if charging at night it goes to 100%.
Perhaps, they may do an update.
Thx ,until next time.
It’s annoying. Luckily for me I charge during the day and not at night so I set an alarm so I can take the car off when it gets to about 80%. I know it goes up by about 12% per hour so can have a pretty good stab at working out when to set the alarm for. The lack of an 80% limit is preventing me switching to an overnight EV tariff. Thanks for watching! 👍🏻😀
@@TheRamblyChannelon Intelligent Octopus Go you can tell the app how much energy you want to add and can adjust it every time you plug in.
I have it integrated to my Zappi but on Tesla you can set maximum state of charge regardless so really don't have the issue.
Don't forget with the train you're paying for it infrastructure and maintenance. For true price comparison perhaps you should be including the annualised cost of mileage over the lifetime of your car and calculating it from there!
They mean don't charge to 100% indicated, forget about the hidden buffers, 80% was correct. My 23 Chevy bolt EV has adjustable charge limit, I set mine for a little below 80%
so if the max range is 200 miles , it becomes 160 miles , I cant remember when I had to fill my petrol tank to 80% max capacity
I can't remember the last time I had to fill a petrol tank. Much easier to spend 5 seconds plugging in and then go and do something else, like drinking tea or being kind to strangers.
@@TheRamblyChannel you dodged the subject. I dont need to have a tea and wait for my tank to be filled , its done in about 1 min and I am away on my journey
@@patthewoodboy 1 minute 😂 Does that include the time to drive there, fuel and pay? I very much doubt anyone could refuel one of your old fashioned petrol cars as fast as I start/stop charging my EV. You really don't have a clue do you?
@@TheRamblyChannel fair comment , but will your electric car be in your ownership in 20 years ? My Focus is 2004 and running fine . Remind me how much a new battery is for you EV ? You dodged the question about 80% again. The drive to fill up is included in my journey , I dont fill up for the sake of it (note the space before the comma :-))
The only thing putting me off an electric car is the battery. May sound stupid what the life of a battery is and how much to replace?;
They have a warranty of a minimum of 100k miles and 8 years, but plenty of tests of high mileage cars on YT which show minimal degradation, maybe 5%, on batteries with 150k+ miles on them. The early Nissan Leaf was an exception due to lack of thermal management but that's not the case on cars made in the last 5 years or so, there's no reason to think the batteries won't comfortably last at least 15-20 years.
Even if you did have to change a battery you wouldn't buy a new one for a car with 100k miles on it, same as you wouldn't put a brand new engine in a petrol car of that age. At this moment I can buy a used battery for a Kona EV for £1700 and fitting takes 2 hours maximum; you can pay that much to replace the timing belt on some petrol cars.
The battery in an EV will very likely outlast the car. The vehicle will rust and fall apart before the battery needs replacing. Indeed, there's plenty of evidence to suggest that batteries will go on to have second life elsewhere outside of the car. There are early EVs from over a decade ago that still have perfectly serviceable batteries and the technology has come on leaps and bounds since then. The manufacturers wouldn't give 8 year warranties if they didn't think their battery packs were any good. There's a great deal of misinformation around this issue but seriously isn't something that people should worry about. There's a good deal more that can go wrong in a combustion engine that can cost you huge amounts of cash to sort out.
Driving on a motorway is the best type of road to get max range , constant speed , little breaking and acceleration. You dont have a clue
Only if you drive at the optimal speed where wind resistance, rolling resistance, mechanical drag and motor/inverter efficiency are all at the sweet spot. Tesla have produced range vs speed graphs and the most efficient speed is around 35mph, I'm assuming you wouldn't drive at that speed on the motorway? At 70mph the range will be about 30% - 40% lower. In real world driving EVs get much better efficiency around town than on motorways because of minimal drag at low speeds and regen when braking. Maybe your experience of EVs has been different?
@patthewoodboy You don't have a clue how to spell "don't" and you shouldn't have a space before the commas. I'll give you a generous 2 out of 10 for effort but 0 out of 10 for accuracy. In future, you might want to ask your mummy for some help with the grammar and long words, and also spend at least 5 minutes checking what you're saying is actually correct before posting it.
the motorway gives you the best chance to drive at optimum speed , its where I get max MPG out of my petrol car , you really dont have a clue do you
@@patthewoodboy Who said anything about petrol cars? The video was about superior, up to date, modern EV technology. I have no interest in your cancer causing throwbacks.
@@TheRamblyChannel and I have no interest in your child slave labour mining operations to make your utopian piece of junk
17:00 you are one of those people who did not happen to see the fucking road signs in the past 3 miles saying exactly which lane to take to get where you want to go and end up jumping the queue a the very end. I have had to take the exact same motorway to Heathrow multiple times and the amount of people who knowingly jump the queue is infuriating.
I didn't knowingly jump the queue. Have you ever considered attending some anger management classes?
@@TheRamblyChannel Every asshole has an excuse.
The opposite of an environmentalist... driving instead of taking the train. 👏👏👏 Still choking on the range anxiety...
I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about but I'll take it that you're having a go at me for some reason. 🤷♂️