WHO WOULD SHOOT A LEICA M240 IN 2021?!
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- Опубликовано: 1 фев 2021
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In todays video we work out why on earth anyone would shoot a Leica M240 in 2021. A camera this is 8 years old. Which in the tech word is ancient!
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Having just purchased an M 240 (more than £2000). Straight in the deep end, having never used a Rangefinder before. This video has made my day (should I have or should I have not). I better start practicing the enjoyment. Great video.
Nice one. I went from a fuji x100f to upgrading to the m240. I went on 2 trips to NYC, one time with the x100 and one time with the m240. Yes there is a bit of slowdown, which I actually like in most cases, but what for me was the biggest pro for the m240: the images were so much crispier and sharper than the x100f. The larger sensor and leica glass really made a big difference to me. So yes also for me in 2021 this camera does the job and it s a great companion to my M6 just like your combo.
That's not an upgrade mate. Yes the Leica M's feel nice, but the harsh reality is you can get better for 1/5 the cost.
Very nonchalant nice! Just enough swag without being off putting. "Its me" hahaha
I will use the M240 for many more years sometimes with a 50mm cron from 1958
If there's one camera that inspires you to get out and shoot, it has to be a Leica. Pure and simple photography.
And fujifilm for 4 times cheaper
@@iaido01 I’ve shot Fujifilm since 2013, and loved them(T1,2,3, Pro2, Pro3,X100F. But once I got my hands on a Leica M, my priorities and preferences changed.
@@dhaug i am a value for money kinda guy. While i enjoyed leica Q2 (rented it) i think it is terrible value for money. I have the fujifilm x100v and It doesn’t feel like a 4x cheaper camera. A more realistic price would be 2.7k-3.5k max for the leica Q2, but in the end it is also the emotional feeling a person has with things. And if you can afford it and you have that feeling the leica is worth it
I got my M240 black paint (used) at eBay just two weeks ago... This is the loveliest camera I’ve ever owned✌️
There’s something special about them isn’t there!
Great camera 🙌🏼
I am sooo glad to hear someone mention the M240’s AWB!!! lol it’s never right. And my exposure meter severely underexposed if there is anything close to a light source in the top half. It’s worse than any cheap 80s point and shoot’s meter lol but I shoot with my M-P 240 far far more than I do with my X-Pro2 and Nikon Df (though I sure do love that Df w/ Nikon primes!)
Now I feel much better about my 240! Thank you.
Very cool vid presentation compared from your earlier vids. Well done
Cheers Marc! I’m glad you can see the difference!
Actually a good review of the camera.
I am still shooting with my 5 1/2 year old M-P 240 Safari. It still produces outstanding images when I do my part and can make 24'x36" exhibit quality prints. The M-P 240's Achilles heel is this: ISO.
With a maximum ISO of just 6400, you can find yourself painted into a corner in low light shooting situations. Use a tripod or monopod to compensate for the modest ISO performance and you are in good shape. I feel safe using ISO 800 if my intent is to make prints and ISO 1600 is doable for online use.
It is not cut and dried, though. I have had some images shot at ISO 3200 that still made good prints at 16"x24" size and some images that were so noisy at 3200 that they showed significant noise. I suppose that can be attributed to the M-P 240's older sensor architecture.
The M-P 240 is still capable of producing outstanding results in spite of its age, though. You just have to make allowances when shooting in low light.
I'm shooting a M240 too, but professional. I've owned mine for six years now, and I love it. The MP240 is a tick better. I can use my Leica R-lenses too, but need an adaptor and an EVF. Keep on rolling!
That’s awesome! Do you mind me asking what type of professional photography you do?
I’ve never used R-Lenses! They always seem like such great value!
@@Goughie I'm a press photographer. M240 with a Summilux 50/1.4 and a Q with a Summilux 28/1.7. That's my main set up for the daily job. In my back-up bag I carry two zoom lenses with R-mount: a Vario Elmar 80-200/4,0 and the very rare but beautiful Angênieux 45-90/2.8. I bought a complete set of R-equipment for £1.500, kept the Vario Elmar and sold of the rest again for £1.500. The zoom lenses are great for landscape too.
@@paulsehstedt6275 ahh! Makes sense! that sounds like quite the set up!
Compelling review. Helps me make up my mind to buy a M240.
Great video!
Im glad you enjoyed :D
Love shooting my M240. Definitely the best, direct, user experience, but you mentioned jpg output, and there Fuji, or even Sigma-Foveon, wins pretty easily. I’d say the same for raws.
Leica 262 (240 without video) is the best for me. I’ve owned M8 and M10 but I’ve bought the 262 twice. Best ergonomics.
hey Samuel...Im an M8 owner and was actually looking into the M10.....What do you like more about the 262 compared to the M8?
@@reyrey5250 m8 batter performance is strange. Difficult to judge how long it’s going to last. Also crop sensor. Nice body though. Battery and crop is deal breaker for me. 262 and m10 essentially same sensor. Yes m10 iso goes higher but images look like shit. 262 is a fat boy compared to m10. Buy m10 if slim form factor matters. Otherwise 262.
@@SamueltloganVideos thanks for the response! I love the M8 but I’m always worried of the failed shutter horror stories I keep hearing about and Leica not being able to fix them anymore. I’ll definitely look into that 262!
I have one and I traded my nikon d850 and Fuji Xpro2 and XH1 with pro lenses. And I have no regrets!
I was confused to buy 240 and SL. I asked other and googled it so I bought SL (used) and still happy with it :)
The SL is a great camera. Congratulations!
Thank you for an absorbingly clear review. If you've time could you mention a couple of the lenses you use. I'm a Leica user, Q2 and CL and my main interests are documentary, street photography with candid portraits and intimate landscape.
Quite an old video, I now have an M10 lens wise
50mm summilux ASPH
28mm Elmarit
35mm summilux non fle
Still have but now selling a bunch of voigtlanders. Is the upgrade worth it? Money vs result wise not at all but I’ve really been enjoying the look these Leica lenses seem to give
Thanks heaps for the vid! Do you come across any buffer issues for your shooting style? Wondering if I should need to get the MP version of this for the extra RAM.
personally I don't really notice it! I rarely have the camera on continuous mode. I only really notice it when shooting images of my dog aha! I think if you had young quick moving kids it could be an issue at times, although I'm not sure how much better the MP is!
People need to realise that good cameras don't suddenly stop being good cameras when the next new model comes out - in 2020 I sold all my M43 gear and now I use an X-T1 which is around 8 years old too. I absolutely love it, and even if it doesn't have the fancy bells and whistles of my M43 gear, I am really appreciating the image quality improvements and build quality. It cost only around £250 for me to get a good condition X-T1 body and battery grip. And - I have even more lens choices to adapt on an APSC body - lesson to learn, don't overlook older cameras!
Couldn’t agree more! Many people don’t NEED the features newer cameras offer. Some do! And that’s fair enough. But if you don’t there are soooo many older cameras to choose from
@@Goughie btw good video, I subscribed, I am utterly sick and tired of all these photography RUclipsrs screaming with cringy editing and shilling new products - I much prefer these types of videos that are laid back and talking about Photography as a hobby by real people 👌
@@alihall4208 thank you for subscribing! I hope you enjoy what’s coming up too :)
Well, I just bought a Leica M8 and pretty happy about it
Excellent summary. AF FF mirrorless kind of leave me cold, both on the creative process and also the results. And I can't really put my finger on why. I acknowledge the technical brilliance of the Sony system which I have used extensively, and if I was a pro, it would be the weapon of choice. I find the Leica also to be the fastest camera to use. aperture and speed can be set with the camera on or off in an instant, and focus is very fast,. Although I use pre-focus alot and sometimes zone focus, I have no issue with a f1.2 photo rapidly. For me, Leica M is the only camera. Well except for a GR iii ... ;)
In terms of the M240, it remains the best bang for buck in the M digital world. It is a very reliable model, and combined with all the used and new glass available from Voigtlander, Leica, Zeiss, TTartisan, 7artisan, etc. can make a reasonably priced system, which, as mentioned can be sold for the same or more in many years time. Leica, Voigtlander and Zeiss lenses appreciate with time from used, given the condition you keep them in.
best sensor of any M. superior to the sensor in the Sl2 and Sl2 s. it is hard (almost impossible) to focus - but - image wise . . this is the best digital leica . . HANDS DOWN
I've just bought my first Leica. It's the M8 to use as the poor man's Monochrom. I'm currently using it with the Minolta CLE M mount lenses which I already have & haven't used for years. If all goes well & I get back into the RF thing then I'll treat myself to the M9 Monochrom later in the year. Thanks for your thoughts. Cheers... 👍
That’s cool! Not tried an M8 but I imagine being Leica and a rangefinder it’ll be a joy to use! Someone else just mentioned a monochrome and it got me on eBay looking at prices! It’s a slippery slope! 😂
@@Goughie Yes 12 months ago I saw a couple for less than 2k but not any more! Leica's & Porsche's, the sky's the limit.
The M8 has the great Kodak sensor which feels like Kodachrome, plus is really excellent for doing infrared photography.
The M8 has the best out of camera RAW files and colours. I have mine for over three years now and can’t get enough of it. Great tool.
People need to remember if you liked a camera from 2012 and how it took pictures then…you’re going to like it in 2022 or 2023 too. A digital camera doesn’t Change how it’s pictures look even if it’s old
I get it. I've been lusting after a M type 246 for a couple of years now.
Cooor! I don’t blame you! Will you be picking one up?
@@Goughie right after after I win the lottery.
They mean zone focusing when they say that they focus faster with a rangefinder.
You can focus pretty fast with the focusing patch.
With experience, manual focusing with a rangefinder can be faster because there's no wiggle room around perfect focus like there is with a normal slr. Leica loses to afutofocus, of course, but they were never trying to win that race
I am still shooting the M9M right now. Nothing wrong with any M cams unless the sensor is damaged. I would still shoot with my Nikon D1 if my battery is still holding it's charge.
I am still shooting my Nikon F5 based Kodaks from 2000 with new batteries from time to time. Good stuff.
I've never heard CMOS referred to as 'cosmos' before. Not that there's anything wrong with that!
BTW I reckon you could shoot some sports with a rangefinder. Basketball, up court, could be easily done with a RF. Down court? Not sure.
I bought an M9 a few months back to share the lenses for my M4. They make a great pair. I totally believe the M240 is plenty!
Curious! What’s your most used lens?
@@Goughie on my M4, it's the Summicron DR, but it's not compatible with the M9 so I use the Voigtlander 35mm Color-Skopar instead. I didn't realize the DR wasn't compatible when I bought it, but the Voigtlander is just fine!
@@BillyHopscotch I have a 21mm colour skopar and it’s a little pocket rocket! So good and tiny!
@@Goughie the 35mm was my first budget buy, but it's become a favorite! It works great on either camera.
@P C Wong yeah it's a pain. I have used it once like that but it didn't feel worth repeating.
Agree
I made the mistake to sold a M240 for a brand new Sony A7RIII. 6 months and 3 failures later I sold it : to complicated, not reliable, lenses too heavy. Currently I shoot with a M262, an Elmarit 28 Asph + Summilux 50 Asph, and that keeps me happy. The pleasure with a Leica M is not in the data sheet. It's in the inner calm you have when you shoot, and the results you find back home.
Agreed but for me I enjoy the X100V more, and the Leica M6 fills the void of inner calm for me
I made my mistake by selling M10 thinking that im good with the little “downgrade” to M240-P. In the end i didnt like that bigger body and overall everthing was better on M10. So im back and happy :)
Yes! You really do notice the thickness of the M240. On paper it’s only a few MM. but in the hand it’s so obvious! Imagine the white balance is an awful lot better in the M10 too!
Very good, I would love to buy a Leica M240 or 262, at moment I have an X100V (brand new) and I loved, however I am looking for something simple (as you said about M).
Based on what you have.... you might be interested in my next few videos! I think X100V is a good middle ground. Somewhere between serious mirrorless and Leica rangefinder!
The X100V is a better camera than an M240/262. The sensor is newer, it’s much faster, and the low light performance is miles better. Don’t get suckered into buying an old obsolete digital camera because it has a red circle on it. Leica is no more immune to the forced obsolescence of digital technology than any other camera brand.
So many cameras are “better” but there is just something special about the range finder
About SOOC JPG: Try Fuji X-Trans cameras with the great film recipes from Fuji X Weekly blog. Amazing! I was 100% raw shooter with my high end cameras but with Fuji I shoot 100% JPG. :)
Since this video, and you’ll see on the channel, I’ve gone fuji mad 😂 and shoot maybe 50% JPEG only
I like the honest and down to the point statements in your video! I bought a nearly mint M-E 240 last year and love it. I don't lurk after the latest and newest with Leica - for the price you can buy a M 240 now there is not much depreciation in the future for years to come. Actually it might increase after a while similar to M9 because it provides the film look whereas the M10 has more a std digital look. Agree with the JPGs in camera - beats even the ones form Sony MLCs. You can actually do longer than 30 sec exposures with the M 240 by getting into a hidden menu which you only see by pressing the focus button in Bulb mode (ISO dependent).
I agree! I think the M10 will depreciate a little more yet too!
I’ve not heard about this secret menu I’ll give it a Google! It’s not the 30 second exposure that’s the pain so much as the dark frame exposure it does after, hopefully this menu can turn that off
@@Goughie I found out about it via video of Leica Store Miami titled "15 years of digital Leica M" on RUclips which demonstrated it. You can go up to 60 seconds which is the limit.
Smiles in X-Pro 3 😎
I find using digital helps when i shoot film as well.
I have a M9 M8 M4 and iiic i just wish i could use them all the time
What a collection! Curious, which one gets used the most?
@@Goughie the M8 😊
@@alanandkarenbootholdfield6179 oh right! M8 over the M9! How come?
@@Goughie it was the first Leica camera i bought
@@alanandkarenbootholdfield6179 ahh that makes sense! Thank you for watching again
I sold my M-P 240 to afford the M10. I've always regretted it. Don't sell it. It's a beautiful camera and the photos are just as great as the M10 plus it has a much longer battery life, AND horizon level which you don't get in the M10. I love the M10 and will keep it but the M240 is wonderful and a better buy in my opinion.
true dat. the sensor is MUCH better. ( with the exception of asa 1600 and above)
It's me as well
The M240 is literally my favorite camera, I shoot with it everyday 🤙
Why am I doing the photography? That's a good question at the end and that should answer everyone's question about what's the best camera for them.
Such an important question that not many people seem to ask themselves!
If you think the screen on the M 240 is bad, you should try an M9! Thanks for the video.
...and I agree your point about the upgrade cost to the M10. I've had an M10 and M10-P and I've gone back to my M 240. Something about the heft of it that appeals to me, and if you are careful with exposure (and don't need to adjust 5 stops in post!) then the images are just lovely - equally as good as the M10 to my eye (I'm not a pixel peeper). I use mine with the awesome TTArtisan 50mm f/1.4 Asph. lens - that's a great entry to the Leica system for around £2350 all in, but perhaps £400-500 less if you're prepared to have an M 240 that's seen a bit of action.
actually the screen on the M9 is not bad it is the raw processing which lets the shadows drop too fast unless you fix it in post. The M8 has the same screen but the raw processing is much better which gives you more positive feedback while previewing.
@@FunktrainerI don’t really agree, but each to his own. Whether it’s the software or not, I still think the screens are almost useless (and I have owned several M8 and M9 over the year). The M 240 was a huge improvement in that regard. If I could have an M9 with a better screen I’d be in heaven.
I have an M-P 240. Staying with me as long as Leica will offer repair.
The way I see it is you're already choosing a film camera with a sensor in it. The only real upgrade is ISO and battery. As long as it is working no M is obsolete.
WHY NOT??? I also still use my Leica M9-P...Leica Camera can be used for a long long long time
Yes! Exactly! I plan to keep on using mine too
The nois reduction - sloooow wakeup - lack of shutter count. Yes, there is some irritating moments with my MP-240 sometimes🤷🏻♂️
Slow wake up! That’s a good shout! That I forgot to mention! That is very frustrating at times!
Overall though.... do you enjoy shooting it?
@@Goughie it’s still a REALLY good camera, people sleep on this model since it’s in between the cult M9 and the near perfect M10. M10 Perfect, meaning they corrected the issues of the M8 (Full-frame), M9 (24MP), M240 (slim body). But the pictures I got from the 240 are awesome and still my fav digital M in that regard.
Any camera in the last 10 years can produce great if needed
Yes, of course. Why not?
I think the only thing that is really holding me back on the M240 is the choice between it and an M6. Well and maybe the M240s „thickness“ it just looks kind of uncomfortable and clunky and I haven‘t had the chance to hold one yet. How do you feel about its ergonomics?
You do notice that the M240 is pretty chunky. The M6 is much better from a handling point of view! But the M240 is by no means terrible!
There’s something special about the M6. From a silky mechanical feel perspective.
It’s a tough choice! I guess it’s Film vs Digital! Two very nice cameras! You can’t really go wrong!
@@Goughie Thanks for the detailed answer, really love your channel, keep up the good work. The M6 still is the better looking one for sure, but the M10 returned to the more compact form factor of the M6, a pity that you can't find one under 4k. Maybe they drop in price, as they're discontinued now...
If you were to measure the thickness difference between an M6 and a M240 it would seem miniscule. In practice, it is very noticeable. I actually found using the grip made the camera feel more "right" even though the grip made it substantially larger. If you want the camera to really feel right, your only option is the M10. Used they can be found for under 5k -which isn't too bad for a state of the art Leica M camera.
@@JohnRicard I think I need to choose a cheaper hobby, but those Leicas are just so, well, amazing!
The LEICA MP, Type 240 is the most sophisticated of all Ms, ever and is made from the best materijals in the industry, ... period!
I still shoot with my M240 and M-P240.
I shoot all Leica film cameras, mostly an m3. Is the body on the 240 thicker? It looks big.
Thanks!
Hello, I have never used an M3. I can only compare to my Leica M6. Yes the M240 is thicker. On paper the difference may look small it's only a few MM. But in the hand its noticeably bigger!
@@Goughie ok thank you.
I do 👌🏼👌🏼
Yes! Not alone 💪🏻
@@Goughie check out my channel👌🏼
Just had a scroll! I’ll have a binge at some point! Lots of interesting stuff!
Bro, I shoot an M9 - if the M240 is a dinosaur then the M9 is a single cell organism haha. Never letting go of this CCD though!
I’ve heard a rumour that my Rollei35 pre dates the Big Bang
@@Goughie you’re pretty quick off the marks with the replies, mate
@@james.shafiei aha! I’m working nights atm! Things are pretty quiet 😂
The M9 is the classic, the UI of the M10 series is so much worse.
I do keep a Nikon D600 just in case I need Auto Focus
Might be trading my Fuji xt3 w/ 90mmf2 and 16-55f2.8 for this camera. 🤔🤔🤔🤔
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when i use digital I shoot with an M9 which is 2009 and an epson r-d1 which is from 2004..... people swap systems way too soon these days
It’s like switching phones to people.
True.
I’m shooting a Leica M9 Monochrom.
Oooo! I’ve never tried a monochrome! I’d love to try one! That whole “restrictions sparking creativity” to a whole new level.
Goughie if you love B&W film this camera is its replacement. Kind of made me sad when I saw the first images.
The Sony might focus faster than I can manually, but has it focused on what I want it to?
No.
Nothing wrong with that camera.
where can you get one for 2 grand....
Would appear that prices rise quicker than I can keep up!
It’s like 2800 today
I sold it for a profit! and if I'd kept it like you say id be selling it for even more now!
Cosmos sensor?!
Sounds like an astrophotographers dream right 😂
Me.
Same.
In this day of superb non Leica digital cameras maybe at half the cost you couldn't tell the difference in photos...........
2 grand for an m240, 3 to 4 grand for an m10. man this video is showing its age! lol
Do I dare not look at prices now? 😂
Did he say COSMO censor?
Honestly it can see the stars
£2k? I can’t find one anywhere for less than £2,400.
Ahhh! I must be a little out of touch! Was a while since since I was really paying attention to the prices! Good to know mines appreciated a little
Brexit effect...you guys have everything more expensive now.
The XPro3 isn't a rangefinder....it's a 'rangefinder style' camera.
Apologies if I say rangefinder! I meant viewfinder, gets confusing when you keep saying both!
Leica M240 best jpgs ever? Looks like you have not tried Fujifilm yet.
Watch this space!
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Sony makes ugly cameras. Leica does not.... I shoot the Fujifilm X100V and X-Pro3 and love the jpegs and film simulations...
A Leica is not an iPhone.
the only reason to shoot Leica is for the native Leica glass
and the excellent rangefinder.
I'm still rocking an m8 and m9-p. Work great.
A couple lovely cameras!
Same here. Classics.
Still using my M8