Kali Audio IN-8 vs Yamaha HS8 || Sound & Frequency Response Comparison
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- Опубликовано: 6 авг 2024
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-Sound recorded using pair of SE Electronics SE8 mics and Zoom H6 recorder
-Frequency measurements done in semi treated room using UMIK-1 microphone
-Levels matched using SPL meter
-All tone controls set to neutral 
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I feel like the IN8 sounds more like the source track and I feel like that was the goal of this video
You can definitely hear better detail in the mid range on the Kali's. Vocals are more up front and clear. The Yamaha's are a bit blurry in the mids compared.
The room which was used for testing was most likely badly acoustically treated. The frequency response indicates heavy room modes on bass frequencies and the upper region seems to have reflections as well as the measurements do not follow the anechoic ones...
3-way speakers will always be more detailed that's just physics
Thanks for the review. Any chance of reviewing Kali Audio IN8 vs Tannoy Gold 8?
The HS8 sounds quite lively, but over time, I'm thinking the Kali will be less fatiguing
damn, this one's a tough call! I like them both!
Most Awaited
I tested In-8 and they have good mid bass balance balance but they lack in highs that makes them more flat sounding (less deep less depth). Even listening them so that the tweater was not firing in agle but rather straight does not tuned it to be good enough. It was great to hear every tweak of eq there and they are true in reproduction bass to mid but higher highs lacks also dynamicaly. Yamaha is well known for acidy sand paper sound that is very easily harsh because of the tweater and are "hard" in higher spectrum transients. Kali In-8 is the oposite of it. I wish it were somewhere in the middle.
You can increase the highs by 2 dB with dip switches on the back. It’s set up to be customizable. In most environments that fixes the problem.
dsp / eq could solve this
Honestly the highs seem to be more exaggerated in the hs8. Also with the in8 the highs are not exaggerated plus its a step up due to the facts that it reveals the mids, not just the high and low frequencies
1. With the in-8's the soundstage almost sounds unidirectional, with hs8's i can hear the crossover/timing differences between woofer/mid & tweeter . especially clear when listening to voices
2. The HS8's sound rather harsh in the high mids. Tiresome to the ears...
well when you compare a tweeter that is almost dead flat to a tweeter that has a huge dip at 8-10khz over video of course the flat tweeter is going to sound alot louder and may even be harsh depending on the play back system you used.
Dead even on this one!! props to Kali Audio...fantastic !
my kali lp-6's are one of my favorites to listen long term. lots of wonderful controlled bass, not fatiguing in any way cuz the top end is controlled very well. and lots of headroom.
IN8 vs LP6/LP8 please
Close one but Kali's got my vote here. They got that extra 3d soundfield which I guess is due to them being 3-way and Yamahas sound just a bit dull compared to the IN-8s
Bien, bien.. Kali is the revelation of the year ! Yamaha are not ridiculous. But the tree way speakers is the top for have a free mid-range. It's the tech (coax) used by Jim Thiel ! Focus is perfect.
Any chance to see Dynaudio bm5 mkIII?
I can hear the roominess the IN8s offered when I heard them at my next music-shop. They have a brilliant 3-dimensional soundstage. Didn’t hear that when the HS8s were on.
Roominess?
@@jpgiraldomusic they are just more holographic. but the highs are poor on them so. meh.
listening to HS80M... Still liking the HS-8..
This might be a bit misleading since you haven't taken the speakers height into consideration and made up for this either with mic placement or speaker stand height. On the HS8's the shotgun microphone is pointed directly at the tweeter but on the IN8's they're pointed at the blue light between the tweeter and the woofer.
Exactly That was my first thought 👍
Thats because the tweeter is in the middle of the monitor do your research its a 3 way monitor not a 2 way duh
@@THERIAN-j3i Seems like you misunderstood both my comment and the design of the monitor. The IN8 is a 3 way monitor with a coaxial design. The tweeter is placed in the center of the midrange element. However, the microphone is directed at the blue light in between the midrange driver and the bass driver, this could heavily skew the measurements since the higher frequencies are way more directional than the lower ones. Meanwhile, on the HS8 the microphone is pointed straight at the middle of the tweeter. So yes, I did do my research, did you? Please refrain from snarky comments, especially when you aren’t even properly informed.
Exactly
Hey. The sound changes when the chart comes on?? Sounds like they are getting mixed and they have different latencies right.. Anyhow, like them both. Lean a little towards the HS8 though
When the chart comes on that is source sound, not a recording of either speakers
Awaiting for kali's in 5
A fairer comparison might be the more professional line of Yamaha, which is the MSP7 (no longer made) and subwoofer (which translate to other systems beautifully), against the Kali IN-8... The Kali's being a 3-way system seem absolutely amazing, I've been looking at upgrading to them from my Yamaha MSP7's going through 2 x Yamaha 8" Subwoofers which run flat frequency (via Sonarworks) down to 31hz (-5 at 25hz, -12 at 20hz) in my treated room and does mastering duties good enough for my little studio... I wonder however, how nice the Kali IN-8 would be like with 2 of their subwoofers, that would essentially be a 4-way stereo system???... I'm tempted to upgrade to this, but wonder if it's a big enough jump in quality, or should go for Adam S3V's and 2 x Sub 10's, or Neuman KH310 and 2 x KH750 subs, but them at double the price of Kali and Yamaha, it wouldn't sound twice or three times as good, diminishing returns and all?
Are you feeding left and right their own sub? Is bass really observably directional enough in your mastering space that you require two subs?
@@sub-jec-tiv I ended up upgrading to the IN-8 V2's and the Kali subwoofer and it's sensational in my mixing space... With the 2 subs, it's not so much that their directional, but rather 2 subs helps even out room modes, but no, I cannot hear the subs... My mastering setup does however have 2 subs and floorstanding reference grade speakers. It's not so much that you can sense the bass from left and right, but more "feel" the base and are able to see more "into" the bass region more accurately and on top of this, sub frequencies are very good for giving the full presentation of air and space in a mix, not having that can cause mixes to sound "dry" or "empty" or "bloated" with bass because if you can't hear it (and better yet, not be able to "feel" it) then you cannot mix it, I get tracks all the time to master and hear this void of bottom end balance on my 2 subs... I will eventually go up to 6 subs in the room for the "full" presentation of bass frequency layers in this region.
Well this is quite interesting, as Kali IN8 in the comparison here with HS8 do sound (at least on my headphones) very similar to the 2way Kali LP8 in other test against HS8, which given the fact Kali IN8 are 3way speakers, I would expect to sound weaker in the mids/highs, but there seems not much of a difference between IN8/LP, considering tests of both types of Kali monitors vs HS8 published on this channel surprisingly. Sound wise, I realized or heard compression/limiting better on the Kali, while stereo image and spatial separation seem much better in HS8 (mind you - in this comparison). Those are most important factors for me, which I got out of the comparison aside freq response which in all of the mentioned monitors naturally differs also in terms of how they are perceived. It is also quite revealing observation of differing people's opinions - where some call HS8 harsh in the top, others call that "sparkle and sheen", calling on Kali's missing top end, and bit of mud around 500Hz, which is for others somehow satisfying in terms of lowend balance and less fatique because of less highs (yet harsher than HS8 here). Its so relative to assume real application results and how the mix translates across usual suspects, using both types of speakers, given the fact room/positioning plays a huge role, as well as DA conversion. I had a chance to listen HS8 next to JBL308 in treated environment and HS sounded very unpleasant, boxy and very dry, while in this comparison they sound very organic and exciting - which I would define as "coloured", (which they are called for being not) and must admit I loved how they reproduce here. The parts of the music where vocal or instrument is soloed do not reveal much of a sonic difference, but when the mix is busy, things start to sound quite differently - HS8 sounded "bigger", (louder subjectively) where Kali's flat response with somehow very decent mids, but less of the very top. 7-12KHz bandwidth seems kind of the common ground where both Yamaha /Kali share similarities. The Kali sound bit more sterile from mids and higher, in general listening quite revealing, yet I would say in terms of "definition" HS8 enables the listener to pick very detailed image quickly and precisely. The same goes to less smeary lower mids in Yamahas, compared to the Kali's in this test. From the general public opinion as a blind listener coming to this video, I would be expecting HS8 being harsh, and very sterile, but here they sound "warm", and bit more hifi, while I would expect from the public opinions, that Kali gets to be bit more hifi with beefy low end, yet I do not perceive them to be like that at all in this test, but they seem to me rather on the flatter and sterile side, with slightly harsh upper mids, unlike HS8 here, which seem phenomenal. These kinds of tests are highly sought way for those unable to listen and compare various monitors next each other, yet one should keep in mind there is huge amount of factors having influence on the final outcome of what is perceived as "good" or "bad" subjectively in this kind of testing environment for the listeners, as well as objectively. Thanks for the great content !!
Most underatted comment. I agree. I was prefering the kalis initially because it sounded “punchier” to me. But aftwe listening to different songs i realized the hs8s sounded wider. Like you can hear thebwhole stereo spectrum as opposed to the kalis where it sounds like each speaker is pushing a mono track.
Hs8s theres a reason they have been a staple in major recording studios forever. If it aint broke dont break it.
Can i ask you is it normal for a monitor speakers to have little bit different volume on the same settings on the knob thank you 7n advance cheers
Yeah a little bit… I ordered the in8 v2 and they had this problem but quite severely. One speaker was I had to turn down like 30% to much the other much quieter speaker
Between fluid audio f5 and presonus eris e4.5 which is better for mixing ?? :) we love all your contents :)
Eris 100%. Fluid are not monitor
i love my little Eris 4.5 ;o)
presonus eris 3.5
@@Thedonyura I had tried the eris 3.5 ... they are very cool too. The difference with 4.5 ... bass to 70Hz vs 80Hz. and eris 3.5 are more bright (more trebles). And for all speakers, Presonus is a wayyyy beter than Makie.
@@ChrisBessy It is not only brighter, more detailed in highs and mids. if your concern is the bass, the best thing to do is the headphone since this little bully does not need detailed acoustic treatment, just give the wall enough space. If you invest in a sub you should treat the room and the 4.5 are flat but leave to be desired in high and medium
to jest to na co czekałem, dziękuję
HS8 miałem i byłem z nich zadowolony bardziej niż z Kali
@@polger1739 do pracy w studiu i tak wybrałbym HS8, pomijając aspekt ceny
The most apparent difference for me is a two way vs a three way speaker, the three way provides more detail by design, so if you need a surgical tool, I would most def go for the Kali.
I feel there’s a weird mid tang thing going on with the kali speakers.
I think some may be missing the point. The test is to see which speakers sound closest the original recording. It seems pretty obvious that hs8s have more hyped highs vs the original recording. The highs are clear but not intended based on the original source. Kalis are accurate and will have a better chance of translating. I say this as someone who has both. I also the iloud mtms and they don't lie!!!!!!
which do you prefer ?
Pleaae redo this with better mic placement for Kali's. They are lower than should be, not picking the highs.
I think at high volumes the 3 way might be less stressed and more able to keep doing it's job without cone breakup in demanding tracks but I could be wrong
Presonus Eris 4.5 Vs JBL Nano k4 ? Which Is Better
I dont know the Nano k4 but I can say that Eris 4.5 are very good. I tested lots of speakers in my life and I always love my Eris 4.5 ......
I've got the IN8's and this made me think perhaps those get moved to my jam room studio and I get a pair of HS8's for the house studio.
Ok I just revisited this video and same conclusion. I think it's time to order HS8s for my home and move the Kali's.
I run the a pair of in-8's in my home studio, they are anything but dull. Also, this is an odd choice for a comparison because the hs8's are two way, right? So the Kali's will naturally provide a much more balanced tone being a 3-way speaker - ideal for mixing really, that's why I bought mine. I score music to picture and the Kali's were by far the best bang for the buck option when I bought mine over a year ago and remain so today. I think they litterally just announced the gen 2 version of the speaker as well, same price, less self noise if that kind of thing bothers you.
You can totally compare them because a lot of people shop by price not by comparing exact design. This is a very useful comparison, because many people have the question: “heard the HS are very flat, are the 3-way IN Kali’s better in sound reproduction?”
That’s a common question.
After 1 year what's ur Review How many mixes u have done and How well they translate?
hs 8s stand up to these kalis better than any other comparison heard to date.
Yeah i was surprised how well the Yamahas stack up. Yamahas do pretty well against even lower-end Genelecs which cost quite a bit more, so i guess i shouldn’t be that surprised.
Studiospares SN10 MKII review
Kali IN-5 pls :)
The massive drop in the high end on the Kalis makes em sound dull, they lose significant clarity and detail there, which is bad, bss and mid section are quite nice tho...but in that case ive to go with the HS8 no question about that.
Neither has he best bass response. Best to go with the Yamaha’s for their highs and get a dedicated sub eh?
It's suggested that in person IN-8 have a clearer midrange though
Yam...more mids, love it
The hs8 are smaller so the mic point more the tweeter, that's why they are brighter in your test...
Nope
@@DSAUDIOreview did you change the mics position between the 2 tests?
@@DSAUDIOreview yep, room size also made a big dips in the response curve, we are just allways listening how your room sounds even.
I have hs8+ha8s i like it
Why the big dip at 9K with the IN8?
It is the coaxial speaker issue, 8-10 kHz cancellation
From Kali's website: 'Because of the IN-8’s coincident architecture, you may notice a dip between 8-10 kHz when measuring with a single stationary microphone. The dip is an on-axis diffraction artifact of the midrange baffle interface. It is evident in on-axis measurements, but not in total sound power. Perception of timbre should be neutral in most rooms. It is not recommended to apply room-correction EQs to the IN-8s based on single point static measurements.'
What i hear from all of your videos . Yamahas hs8 just sound perfect.bass mid highs. Every instrument sound very close to sound source guitars on rock music, drums on hip hop. I will buy them very soon and i have small room but fck it i like to hear 808s better
nearly no difference, i noticed the high end on the HS8 is a bit brighter, but thats all
Listening on kali monitors. IN8 has fuller sound, HS8 sound weak in the midrange in comparison and has more hyped highs. IN8 sounds neutral
Holymoly HS8
Can't really hear the hi hats from the Kali Audio In-8
damn the kali's are actually good as fuck i was ab to get hs8s
the hs8 are really good but u can definitely hear the mid dip
Very close between these two.
Yamaha HS8 COOL monitors!!!
HS8's. They sound like they have better balance and more clarity in the mid's and top end. The Kali's sound too like they have too much emphasis on the low end.
That’s the difference between a front facing port and a rear facing port. The Yamaha has more low end than the kalis.
@@jonathanvenegas7543 Nope, the difference comes from not aiming the microphones at the tweeters of the Kalis. The difference in height between the Yamahas and the Kalis are not adjusted for in this comparison.
@@ulfrohdin you’re right. Can’t believe I missed that 🤭
@@jonathanvenegas7543 no biggie, it just goes to show the importance of listening to monitors irl before buying.
I definitely prefer the Yamaha HS8
Perception better with kali
kali
HS8 = no hiss sound and better build quality ;o)
I had my HS8’s modded by ZenPro. MASSIVE difference between stock/modded.
What's ZenPro tho?
@@MrKalimag they do modifications to hs8s. They basically remove the limiter circuit from the board, change opamps and I guess do some extra bracing+damping inside.
Contact info?
how it reacts or responds after mod?
MR824 vs HS8
HS8
Yamaha HS8👍
Yamaha rules
Yamaha HS8
Neither do the midrange of the source trqck any justice.
3 way monitors verse 2 way monitors. Hard to compare
for nearfield a quality 2 way any day vs cheap 3 way, there is a reason there is no cheap 3way studio monitors, Kalis lows and highs not that good even being 3way.
Yamaha is best
Thats it. Im selling my sh8
Kali Audio IN-8 definitivamente
kali sounds softer and more close to original tracks. HS8 are tooo bright
Kali is a bit clearer and flatter. HS8 tweeter is a bit too harsh.
no the Kali tweeter is way to weak with that massive drop, which makes the hs8 sound much brighter and more detailed and clean in comparison,
but the kali sounds really dull, like if if someone has drowned them or wrapped them in foil or so.
@@wolfwilkopter2231 get better speakers and stop looking at charts
@@JoshyLats yeah ofc all you say...is that what you have to say to someone that has a different opinion and hearing?
you are not the deciding factor here and if you cant hear the massive drop on the Kali's upper end and how dull that sounds compared to source or HS8, then you sir must be having more difficulties hearing things than i'm supposed to have.
I mean just the first Song "Man on Fire" makes it crystal clear, where the Kali's lack big time.
Oh and jfyi: im listening over a Creative Soundblaster AE-7 in direct mode 32bit 384KHz sitting under a pair of Beyerdynamic DT 770Pro 250Ohm, that should give me a good enuff hearing solution to hear that difference, but thx your highness for your benevolent advice. ;)
You want th for true flat sound for mastering ..if you want your sound enhanced mix better ..but hi's,mids and lows should be even and flat for mixing
Typo
I'm sorry but this video is misleading. I just compared both side to side in my treated room and in no way are hs8 better. From this video the yamahas are more pleasant but live the kali are better in everything, low, mid and high. Listening to hs8 immediately after in8 2nd is even unpleasant because of the high frequencies too harsh dnd also some confusion in bass frequencies. In8 have more punchy, smooth and controlled bass, the highs are just fine, no need to boost with the built-in eq and mid are always clear and crispy. If you are undecided buy without hesitation the in8, they play in another league than the hs8.
What about the soundstage and imaging
@@tradehut2782 place them in the right position and they deliver great soundstage and stereo image
what about your room size? neverthless the amount of treatment the size is the size. Btw, a sign of a color listening is a pleasant experience, flat response listening tends to be harsh, specially if the mix was made like that, would believe better if the room was analized.
@@omarverone the room is 4,5 x 4 mt
Hs8 are better for making music kali good for listening
Man on fire Yamaha brighter, higths are more accurate
Bellissimo Kali resonance in the bass.
Deep, shorter kick on Yamaha
The room is obviously very bad, it lacks low frequency damping. Room modes are clearly visible in the measurements...
I'm surprised but I think that HS8 sounds better
unfortunately they do sound better, cleaner, brighter & more detailed, due to that massive drop on Kali's high end.
@@wolfwilkopter2231 I'll go for flat response if I want to mix. I've mixed with HS8 and don't like it. I feel that they are to bright. Just have to get use to it.
ln8 win
Hs8
Yamaha still better :)
To my ears, the Yamaha sounds better, especially on the high end.
people often complain that it is harsh for long hours.
@@KoRNeRd they are harsh right from the start, just compared side to side and kaly are better in everything without any doubt. I listened to yamaha for months and now after I installed the kali I can no longer listen to them. The sound that comes from kali is so warm and lovely... ♥️
@@alessandrorespighi8970 I'm planning to upgrade to Kali's in 8 from HS8 as well. Are you using V2 2nd Wave which the self-noise was reduced? Can you let me know how loud hiss noise is if you get really close to the tweeter? I hear hiss noise a little bit from HS8, but I'm okay with it. How is it with In 8? Thanks!
@@minja38 No noise can be heard on mine. To hear something I have to put the ear really close, like 2 cm, to the woofer.
@@alessandrorespighi8970 That sounds good. Thank you!
Fake video. They can not have almost the same frequency response as kali is 3 way!!!
I had a yamaha hs7, overrated speakers
the only good pair of speakers from yamaha is hs8. Also in the real world, forget about lettin space from the wall, just check your freq curve and correct with treatment,