I Immediately Regret Switching to the Ronin 4D
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Presenter: Brett Sticklemonster
Videographer: Kyler Himes
Editor: Brett Sticklemonster
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Interesting, I’ve had this camera for a while and never experienced “back focusing”. I did have an issue where I accidentally built a profile for the lens but learned that you don’t and shouldn’t use a profile.
Why is this? Did it look worse than the standard color profile?
The 17-28 is profiled in the firmware I believe, so there isn't a need and if you do, the lens doesn't respond properly. BTW I love this camera and use it a lot. I have footage on my channel, granted I'm not some epic video editor / colorists.@@Joechungphotography
I would be more than pissed after spending that money on a cinema grade kit...
Make sure the lens profile you're using is NA and do not calibrate it. Ours works perfect. This also applies to other lenses like our Sony 55 1.8. Flawless autofocus.
This!
Yup! Not that DJI isn't hard to work with but 100%
How do you uncalibrate the lens? Or is that not needed when just set to NA
To solve the lens back focusing problem, just go to the lens calibration menu (when the lens is mounted) and put it on N/A. 👍🏽
The back focus has a simple fix and that is to go to the LENS menu and select NA for lens in use. I also bought the DJI zoom lens and it took me an hour to figure out the issue and I was also disappointed that all the RUclipsrs who received the FREE sponsored DJI products never mentioned it in their videos.
Well, RUclipsrs that highlights flaws do not get stuff to review (unless you're LTT or MKBHD). Some of the best product reviewers I follow have horrible subscriber counts, and even they do have a tendency to put their criticism in a "positive" light, rather than the "burn all 'em bridges" approach Gamers Nexus is trying to take.😅
I have the Ronin S3 and raven eye attaches right underneath the camera perfectly and doesn't mess up the balance. Did you ever try that?
You've discovered the issue I have with tech reviewers on RUclips. None of them talk about the cons or faults of a product anymore. They only advertise the products. You want a new camera? Sorry that Sony camera only does 50p and 10 minute recordings, why does nobody talk about this? You want 60p and longer recording sorry you need the US only version of the same camera but no one is going to tell you that.
@@potatorigs2155 And you're clearly trolling.🤡
This seems to be more of an issue with companies that can gatekeep access to their products, which typically is going to happen more with very expensive products like this that reviewers are less likely to just go out and buy retail.
So I don't think this is true across all of tech, but it probably is more prevalent in cinema/production cameras than smartphones, computer components, laptops, etc.
I love RUclips tech reviewers. I get the dopamine hit of buying the new gear by just watching the reviews. I watch enough to get tired of the product before spending a dime.
By the way if people REALLY kept buying useless gear merely because RUclipsrs told them too the resale market would have loads of cheep barely used gear. It doesn’t.
You must be watching all the wrong channels to get your info lol. Gerald Undone, Dpreview/PetaPixel, and Camera Conspiracies go over stuff like exactly what you listed all the time.
@@CoalitionGaming Congrats on finding some you consider exceptions but they are not the majority.
THIS IS NOT A CINEMA CAMERA....
Did they now fix all these software problems that you mention? Ore still no updates?
You don’t have to keep it at 17mm just have to calibrate what focal length you are in
I've been watching for years, and I don't remember seeing the car reviews. Was that when Hot News and UFDTech were different channels?
I need help trying to figure out if I need to purchase pro res raw in order to use this or the other license keys such as cinema dng and cinema raw because it's so costly. I want to make sure I only get what I need to get. Any information helps. I plan on filming dance videos and weddings.
This cam set up is ahead of its time. Reminds me of the very first $400 iPhone where it was new to jave a crazy data plan with no insurance protection and you had to buy at ATT. You also had to jail break your phone and that voided out the manufacturer warranty. If you brike your phone, the only replacemwnt plan was buying a refurbished iPhone. People eventually adapted and paid. $400 was a crazy peice for a cell phone at the time and people paid for it. Most those issues got resolved pewtty quickly
This is why you always rent before going all in on an Ecosystem, in order to see how well it integrates into your workflow.
Regarding HDMI audio out on the High Bright remote, the firmware release notes for August 2022 say “Added HDMI output audio ability for the remote monitor expansion plate.” You tried it and could not get it to work?
why no youtuber talk about that ? well simple, they get paid, most youtuber will automatiquely remove most bad thing, as some of you said the youtube tech is a dark area, we can't trust youtube for honest review that why we should research on most platform possible, forum, social media... as we can, btw I suspect some youtuber to not testing at all, some just turn it on, do a video and that it
messed up that a +7k camera doesnt work as intended.
btw. the follow feat is kinda creepy xD
3:31 Love that the gimbal has actual spider webs 😂🤣
Have these negative issues been resolved since you posted this video?
camera cost more than my car
Ya because those “RUclipsrs”are being sponsored by DJI.
Yeah, reading instructions before using a complex machinery is way overrated these days...
we put our swit video transmitter in to bottom of the camera where raven eye goes into. it works pretty well and no cable problems.
man,bless you and your son. i hope your family lives a better ,longer life
Nice camera stuff!
Any updates to your firmware issues?
Keep the videos coming!!
Question: is this only an issue on DJI lenses? Or an issue on all zooms? I wonder if DJI designed the LIDAR to only be used with primes originally, and then went OH FUCK when their lens division came out with the 17-28 power zoom.
It doesn't do this with my Sony zoom, it's not a power zoom but it knows the focal length and it adjusts in real time.
@@906MediaProductions interesting. So it's not a sensor issue, it's definitely a lens issue specifically with that DJI lens?
This isn’t a cine camera. I think the key defining factor of a “cine cam” is reliability. Your camera is responsible for the pay of everyone in the room - without a video, their jobs (and the clients money) are for nothing. Not a reliable setup if a firmware update doesn’t get released to fix a mission critical issue
Same goes for RED then, those cameras are also known to be unreliable, besides being an overpriced ecosystem and terrible company.
The issues he´s having is with autofocus, which is not reliable in any system outthere, not even Sony´s... If you manual focus, as in actual cinema sets, the camera is amazing and more versatile than any camera I´ve used. And I´ve used most of them for feature films, commercials and network TV series.
I think you should look into a ninja v and atomos connect module. You can get a lot of similar things such as cheaper ssds, remote monitoring, live streaming, a lot cheaper than that.
I’ve had to learn the hardway about RUclips reviewers. A lot of good reviews on shitty mics and what’s the deal with people swearing by Elgato. I’ve bought a lot of Elgato stuff and the only piece of equipment I haven’t had problems with is the teleprompter. Stream Deck is trash.
appreciate the investment your team is making to upgrade the overall quality of the content. never noticed any shake or instability, life is dizzying
they just wanted an excuse to get the ronin - they had no need to
there are no return policies?
Have you resolved all the issues?
Like your critical stuff! More of it please!
Are we gonna overlook those paid youtubers willing to ignore viewers in order to pocket some extra cash from DJI?
I bought first product Ronin S gimbal and found they did not allow to switch to front camera of the phone so that I can use the phone also as a monitor(sort of) during active track.
They marketed raveneye for rs2 for the function which could be fixed by 2 lines of programming code.
I did not buy any brand new dji product as of today as a protest.
Was there a spider web in your gimble? I would use it if it needs a new home.
Off topic - "Yeah buddy join the club" is the saying coined by Blackmagic URSA shooters (4,6K and 12K) which hasn't been updated in YEARS and is their highest end cinema camera they sell so not only DJI. Pro camera companies are very slow on updates as they have many products they sell and support and they often play "favourites"
Anyone know if these problems have been fixed yet ?
What were you doing in South Africa?
You use the wrong gimbal. A Weebill 2 would have served that setup easily.
You build your character with full charisma, didn't? Man, I love your videos.
Bro that spider web on the ronin rs3 :)) epic
I'm curious, you have a camera operator. As a host, why is there a need to view yourself on a monitor?
All of that to film straight to brett during hot news? 😅
So 4k 60fps with HDR?
That camera produces an image that looks like garbage though… I’m assuming this is raw or something like that but why does the raw look so much worse than that on the 03 air system camera?
pretty sure you can mount the transmitter under the ronin camera mount or just buy raven eye idk.
🎯🎯🎯
the gyro control with the monitor seems completely silly.
how/why would anyone ever use such a "feature" ?
I feel like you could just film with a tripod and zoom combo to make this way easier
This camera was never what you needed
If you want something that just works go for broadcast, JVC do a very nice kit the GY-HC900 at the low end and the Sony pxw z750 4k at the top end
thx à lot I wanted to move from my Canon C70 to the Ronin 4D. finally when I see the seriousness of canon on my camera with more and more brilliant updates, we will wait later
[chicken neck achievement unlocked 🐔]
Software issues are 100% a deal breaker !. Such a shame for such beautiful hardware 😢
If sony and or canon copy that chicken neck its lights out for DJI
Why did you not find the issue in other RUclips videos?!?!?!?!
THEY GOT PAID BRO......... Dji:"Hey youtuber leave out that backfocus thing we're working on it and it will be fixed, also we won't pay you if you don't"....
3:40 the only reason gimbal is an issue for balance is because you are using the wrong lens. Switch to a cinema lens. When they zoom there is no increase in size.
This whole video is wrong, what do they even need raw video for. And even just Sony 16-35 PZ F4 is perfect for gimbals, internal zoom and its parfocal.
You can go a long way with a tripod. Think about the framing and which camera settings you will use, decide which of these will work for the story you want to tell. If you do it well, it will be more cinematic - when do you need a hand-held camera? Maybe for your B-roll and your DJI Ronin with spider web 😊 comes into its own if you want to stabilize the shot. Oh yes, lighting and focal point - right now there is far too much that takes attention in the picture.
There are plenty of existing backpacks on the market for the Venice 😊
Dji RUclipsrs are paid well if something like this was hidden
In Europe would be easy to return it.
Thats why in Europe we have drastic rules for corporates to give warranty and full support.
Just a heads up, just because it's labeled a cinema camera doesn't make it a broadcast camera as well
Get an easyrig and hook the fool cam to it. Not really worth spending so much and then not having the 4th axis.
They may just not have experienced the bug, or were using equipment that the bug did not effect. Has new firmware fixed the issue for you yet??
Thank you for bringing up these problems. I have decided not to purchase this product at this time.
You can't mount the video TX to the handle of the Ronin instead of on top of the camera? That's what I do.
They definitely wipe their arses with bank notes...
Don't know anything about it, but seems like some open-sourcing would make this more worth it.
Raven and DJI RS3 Pro
Way cheaper, and gets everything you want.
Tilta mounts for vehicle work
Internal zoom lenses for gimbal balancing
There is nothing like a good DIS video lol 🙏❤️
Clearly Robin was not made for static
I would return that. That's a lot of money to spend on "coming soon" features and bugs... considering it's already been over a year and none of them have been addressed.
There’s something about the footage coming from this DJI Ronin camera that I strongly dislike. It’s the movement and the general image I keep seeing… bothers me…
Thanks for this video
Is it just me or does it look like he's holding an early version of wall-e? lol 14:00
people don enjoy hand shake camera in youtube, but they really like in tv/streaming series and movies, so dumb situation.
Thanks my dude for this video .
Sony FX3: I refuse to NOT have perfect focus
All the other: Focusing is your job stfu
I wanna know more about this TV show pilot
Only this isnt a cinema camera. At all. Good luck doing your stuff guys.
Hi, It feels like an abandoned platform, every extra part we buy for the Ronin 4D is overpriced and half-working working, the sensor is pretty much the same sensor as the Lumix S line or Sony FX6 or FX9, of course, every company debayer and color science in a different way the raw footage from the sensor. Thank you for Sharing!
So, you filmed handheld with a simple camera, and instead of trying a gimbal you thought to go all in to a new, version 1.0, entirely different system, meant for different uses (like advertising and documentary and shooting outside) and not product unboxing videos?
I have the rs2 gimbal with raveneye and a pocket 4k and even when using a vmount battery, it all balances fine. It makes zero sense that you would buy a Ronin 4d and spend thousands, and then not shoot raw.
Gotta need an excuse to buy the 4D 🤣
@@nicholaschan9521 Yea, let's be honest, I'm jealous. Lol
Honest. Bravo.
DJI is working on this firmware fix.
Actual link for this information or is this just "Trust me, bro" ?
@@scottjohnson3017I have the updated firmware on mine, at least on my Sony lenses the backfocus is gone.
Given how much this system costs, I can't understand why this would be your filming solution. It makes absolutely no sense.
You can use gyro flow for the a7siii
I wonder if it's that whole thing about creators having access to pre release firmware or not final firmware, and if they do discover an issue, because it's not a full review, or they claim they will fix the issue soon, they aren't allowed to comment on this issue? Hard to say.
Some just say prerealease issues might be fixed in final version and others ignore flaws.
You,…you’re,….trying to replace Kyler,……? With a gimble??? OMG where’s Resse???
This is what it was like buying a blackmagic camera
23:33 you're wearing a face on your shirt that's why it was slower lol
i am in a have and love relationship with DJI .. i would never buy anything else than drones from DJI, where there is just no alternative, but having to have different remotes for different DJI drones and so many other shit is just so bothersome
is this an expose on DJI?
Sorry man, you should have just gone with Blackmagic Design!
Yet another RUclips 19:52 short that needs to be made just addressing this. We have this and didn’t know
As I agree with a lot of your concerns as I own this camera myself. The film industry would not be in most cases be streaming audio out of that monitor as its intention is to be a directors monitor / 1 AC monitor for pulling focus. What I do have an issue with is they are the Apple of cameras with all of the addons you need. including no SDI out on the main body of the camera or TC sync. One thing you do need to keep in mind this is a cinema camera first, not a streaming camera.
Three sensor cameras have far better colour reproduction and the b4 lenses are par focus and a vast zoom range in comparison
The JVC has built in streaming booth ways , so you can take a feed from a studio, sound quality is as good you'll as you can get, on most you can plug in a receiver pack, have four channels of audio with low cut and limiters . They are expensive but they will work and will keep on working.
So you watched loads of videos before purchasing, but didnt go on any user forums for real feedback until after your purchase?
Great video! RUclips’s been sending me a ton of content on DJI stuff recently. Nice to see an honest review!
Have you tried mounting your HDMI transmitter on the gimbal itself? If all else fails, just grab an easy rig and put a V-Lock battery on the back of your Sony mirrorless to dampen the shake! ❤
If you do some collaboration videos Ruth other youtubers so they make also tests with this device it will create pressure over DJi to upgrade and fix the issues, I know it might be time consuming but I feel it will save time if they release the fixed firmware before.
Anyways, you are doing great