I've got a 5'3'' and surfed with FCS perfomance quad medium size and it went really well. Then I bought the the RM quad and it didn't feel nearly as fast. Even paddling felt odd. Maybe those fins are too big/heavy for me (65kg).
igor hey mate. Good to hear the feedback from someone on a smaller board. Actually found the seaside quad a bit inconsistent on drive myself. Guess they maybe big down for you being on a smaller board. Might be hindering you getting the rail in and driving off it like your smaller fins allow you to do. Actually have had a couple of people saying they're getting good results with more of a performance quad set. Another guy on here was saying the stretch F4 and he was a reasonable weight I think. Guess that performance thin tail shape doesn't necessarily need huge rear fins.
Hey Sam. Thanks for your support and good question.. Both great boards both fairly similar wave range. I would probably ride either in waist to just a bit overhead locally but sweetspot is probably about the same too chest to head 2-3 maybe 4 ft being ideal. Would maybe feel a little more confident on the seaside if it was a little bigger ironically but not much in it at all.. From what I remember the seaside would paddle better per litre too. In Terms of riding style the seaside is definitely more of a fish feel with a lot more performance than a full retro (Like surprisingly good performance) The chumlee is more like a high performance baked potato if you have ever ridden any of the potato family. If not I would probably say more like a fatter shorter wider hybrid ride rather than fishy. Both excellent boards personally I would go give the seaside the nod just slightly but the chumlee was pretty long in the volume I ride so that would factor in if you ride less volume. Hope that helps both boards very fast and fun to ride and handle a fairly wide wave range.if you had a longboard one of those two and a hybrid like a psycho killer you would have everything form knee high to well overhead covered.
thanx for the review; I'm doubting about the 5.7 seaside (33.6 l) and the 5.8 (35.4 l). My favourite small wave board is the potatonator 5.8 33.9 L (for better waves i take my dominator helium 5.11 33.9 l) So the 5.7 seaside has only 1.1% less volume then the potatonator but the seaside has defintely more surface area. Do you think the more surface are of the seaside will compensate enoug (even more) the 1.1% less volume so its floats as good (even better) then the potatonator? I'm afraid the 5.8 will feel to corcky. Can you give me you opinion on this?
I've never ridden a seaside, but I love my potatonator (don't know why they stopped making this model) and I've ridden boards similar to the seaside. No I don't think the added surface area will give you more float for paddling however it may feel higher up and more quarky once you are up and riding at speed because you will have more planing surface. I prefer the shape of the potatonator because the nose is much more pulled in which lets me sink it easily and/or push it down the face of the wave to take off. Lastly, a wider board like the seaside will be much more stable, which is good if you are a beginner, but is bad if you really want to step up your maneuvers since it will be far easier to bog a rail. I feel like I would have to ride a board like a seaside more flat and be over the top of it, kind of like riding a skim board. I have come to realize that I am not a fan of too much volume in the nose of my short boards. Obviously it all comes down to preference.
I’m just new on this board 5’8”. 3 surfs on it ;1st wave on small but sucky wave with Kong’s fins in it, it felt dead. 2nd wave 3ft beach break with machado keel fins , very quick but uncontrollable, 3rd wave I used the machado quads on small beach break but I couldn’t get any drive off the bottom turn. Each surf I paddled out after on my long board and had fun. I’ll keep trying
Alfonso Saballett so my puddle jumper is a slim dims so it's actually 6'2" and 43 litres. I have had a 5'11" Lib Tech PJ though from what I can remember I would say the seaside is a slightly better paddler and both good boards to turn. Again the PJ is probably slightly more a fat version of a performance hybrid where the seaside is a performance version of a fish so depends on the experience your looking for. Probably 2 of the best boards an average surfer can get for average waves in the waist to head high wave range in my opinion though 👍
Esteban Eordogh Hey mate. You know that's exactly what I was thinking last night.... I really need to get the Psycho out more I have barely ridden it. I would say the Psycho is probably a bit less fishy and not as extremely wide point forward. Probably gonna ride a bit more like a step down performance hybrid than a fish. Both similar ethos and wave range though. The Psycho is a fast versatile wee board. It's not as wide as the Seaside so I would say if you want a fish that's fast and can handle a bit of size go the seaside if you want more of a regular performance feel with a lot of the stability and paddle power but not as much as the seaside go the Psycho. Hope that helps a bit. Think you would be stoked on either .. both stand out boards cheers
Thanks, I own a Psycho Nitro and I love it, wish I would have gotten it an extra couple of litters bigger though for groveling purposes. And I did not like it as a quad... but as a thruster works awesome for me. I was looking into a fish, but seems like these 2 are somewhat similar boards, the only thing is that I might not like riding a quad and this is a dedicated quad. I own a EVO in Helium and love the technology! Maybe I tried the wrong fins when I tried the quad and freaked out about the quad feeling.... the tail kept slipping and I got hit by a couple of times by the lip pretty hard. This seaside looks so sexy though ;-)
Esteban Eordogh yeah if you have a hi fi I believe there already pre adjusted volume to match the poly volumes apparently so if you drop a litre on your preferred Polly volume to make up for epoxy you just dropped a litre. I ride mine 6'4" so pretty huge. I really like quads myself. Just try your favourite fronts with performer medium rear quads that's what 75 % of the fcs come with. Hayden sapes 4.2 in futures 👍
Hi Atrhur. I haven't myself but on the reviews I have seen where people have sounds like it works fin. Would give you a bit more of a performance feel at the sacrifice of a little speed. Something like the stretch large would probably be a good middle ground. With the refined tail I suspect it would go fine. Some boards are so wide and thick in the tail they need the really big fins to control the tail seaside should be fine. Cheers.
@@lawson45uk thank u very much! Im making a copy of a sea side in EPS 5'6'' with a local shaper and the fins options here where i live arent that good hahaha! These rob machado fins are super expensive in here and really hard to find, so im thinking of getting something more "normal" but ill see if i cand find something that has that wider base for more speed. Ill show u when its done! Cheers mate!
@@27sherlock yeah cool mate. Feel free to send me a message on Instagram go_surf_nz I can give you some options for fins and possibly help you out with some pictures or measurements too. Cheers
I am 62 years old and was an advanced surfer when I was younger 100 years ago. I have just had my hip replaced and my goal is to start long boarding on my new 8'8" firewire gem by October. My goal is to get back to my version of a short board which is approximately 45ltrs of volume. I have looked at the reviews of the greedy beaver and was thinking maybe a 6'4" in that but I just love the look of the seaside. I don't know if I am dreaming by imagining myself on a 6' or 6'1" seaside. I had a 7' addvance but once I felt comfortable there was just too much foam especially in the tail. I weigh 88kgs but am aiming to get down to 86kgs. My best surfing years in Australia were on an MR Twin Fin and I think in those days the shortest board I rode was 6'4". Be straight up, you won't hurt my feelings. Seaside or safer bet...greedy beaver?
Chris Findlay hey buddy thanks for getting in touch. Ohhhh super hard to say without seeibf how you surf. I bought a spare seaside from a guy early 60s that couldn't get on with it but I'm talking to another guy that missed out on my retro fish but he's 60's and on a 5'11" omni which I could never ride in a month of Sunday's 🤣 so back to you I definitely think you could consider the seaside it's certainly not that far behind the beaver for paddle and stability. I have the 5'11" and its plenty I was going to get the 6'0" and glad I didn't so yeah for sure you could consider the 6'0" you could almost consider the 5'11" if your In the market for a beaver to be honest the beaver has a very narrow tail so the wave doesn't get under is as much to pick it up as you might think. If there is anything your not gonna struggle to be ok with on the seaside it would be the short length. On the beaver you could even go 6'6" if you really wanted. You could get an lost RNF retro or even look at the MR Cali Twin too if you like that 2+1 MR style. All definitely worth considering though sounds Iike you know your stuff so just be honest with yourself but don't write yourself off either. Can you demo boards there ? Let me know what you think. I know what you mean about the advance there pretty clunky looking. I always fancied a 6'6" for that tiny stuff but I think there are a lot of better boards around now maybe? The seaside I rekon paddles better than the chmlee and to be fair lost boards of that same volume I rekon if that helps so definitely put it in the running
@@lawson45uk I checked out the review on the lost puddle fish which seems to compare in performance to the seaside. The 6'4" is 46ltrs which would work well for me and the extra length may help. Having said that the width of the seaside offers stability plus can offer equal float ability if that's a word to litre volume. I am not a pocket surfer so much now...eg. vertical hits of the lip in the pocket, I am more the carving type driving out to the shoulder and cut back to the source. Or maybe that is just in my mind...hahaha. I just want to be able to go out and have some fun in 3-4' beach breaks where a longboard sometimes doesn't quite fit as well. Good paddling, catching waves and manoeuvrability are super important to me.
Chris Findlay yeah I would give the seaside the nod over the pudddle fish. Pudddle fish took a bit of getting over the lip and needed more of a wave ironically. The standard puddle jumper in the longer slim dims I actually ended up preffering. .. I would go seaside or RNF retro. The RNF retro is actually the one that's gonna handle being over volume for your size best out of the bunch. Very user friendly. 👍
Chris Findlay yeah it's not quite as zippy as the seaside but mine is 2.5 litres and 3 inches bigger. lots of get up and go. Definitely handles being oversized with a bit more confidence than the seaside. That's my main reason for giving it the nod for you. Mine is the stock 6'2" 43.5 litres and carries it well. There both great boards though so go with your gut or the one you really want you will be stoked either way 👍
Yeah no reason why not mate. There isn't any right and wrong just what works best for your ability fitness and the waves you are riding. The model has good volume paddles well and pretty stable. I have mates on 5'6" through 6'0" with about a 20kg weight spread and each have find a size that works for them. Size it well compared to what your used to and you don't be disappointed 👍
@@livedeliciously yeah absolutely. Geat board the OG PJ. Have had a couple of those. Think you will enjoy the seaside very quick and versatile board nice shape to drop a few litres on if your progression is going in that direction hope it works well for you. Let me know how you like it. Be keen to hear cheers.
Hi :-) I was 88 but just dropped a few KGs.. Recommendations are super subjective .. Any comparison you can give me from what you ride or have ridden? I would recommend around your Grovel volume maybe a litre less it paddles great.. i usually grovel around 42 - 44 litres this is 41 and feels and paddles like a litre up but gips and turns like a litre down so it's a pretty impressive board. If your in a slow wave and used to bigger volume boards or dont get out much something like the 5'11" could be great if your in a good wave and rip a 90kg guy might ride 2 sizes down so hard to say. Im similar weight to you and love mine in the slow local wave. It's wide at this size so another thing that I like but if your used to 19.5" wide you might not like it if your used to longboards it it will just feel nice nad stable .. Hope that helps.. The Volume calculator on firewire, JS and lost websites can be kinda useful if your not sure but they will all say slightly different.. Cheers.
P.S. My mate is 90 and 6' too and he want the 5'10" so your definitely in the ball park but again super subjective you might want 20% less volume for a good surfer in a good wave..
Thanks for the review man. You mentioned the seaside paddles better than the puddle fish. How would you say the overall ride differs when considering drive, speed, stability, maneuverability, etc.? I am trying to decide between the two and will have a spot in my quiver the same as you mentioned (mini simmons is my groveler and quiver killer is my good wave board).
Hi Doug. I think it probably depends on what size your riding a lot too. I loved the way through puddle fish rode but after having it a bit longer seems to sturggle getting it into a wave and over the lip even compared to the puddle jumper so that's what made me sell that one guys riding the really short and lower volume may have a different experience but not sure. Seaside is great. Good paddler fast light lively. Can get a little slippery at times but again depends on what volume you ride. I have a lost Hydra on order and that's getting some really good feedback so could be a good option for you. The RNF retro is also a solid little board. Hope that's not just more confusing. Puddle fish I was finding it needed a wave with more grunt than what it was designed for and not going so well when it was small which is strange as on paper and compared to the puddle jumper it should have been better in smaller waves as it's the most grovelly again. Might have just been my experience and others fin it completely different seaside is definitely an opinion your unlikely to be disappointed in. If you prefer PU to epoxy Hydra and RNF retro could be worth a look. Cheers
@@lawson45uk Thanks for the reply man. I'm 6'0" and 165 lb. on a 5'10 quiver killer (32 L), so was thinking the 5'8 puddle fish or 5'7 seaside (maybe 5'6?). What size would you recommend? Would you recommend the split keels or machado quads for someone in my size? I would be using this board in weaker and low quality waves with some size (not true groveler). The quiver killer is my go to for steeper and good quality waves. With that being said, I am going to guess you will say the seaside... ?
hey Doug. Yeah just looked at the volume and agree with your size calls. You could definitely consider the 5'6" at 32.7 litres depending on how you feel it's a cracking paddler and if your QK is Poly the helium is really light and epoxy feels more boyant and it paddles well anyways so the 32.7 litres could be good or you could go for the 5'7" and enjoy a bit more paddle power. Hard to advise accurately for your size but mine I went on the what I thought was that low side for s grovel board and it's got plenty of volume but most would say that about even my skinniest boards 🤣🤣 hard to say. Machados could be nice at the size your riding. I love split keels and there very fast but could feel a little tracky for you. Could even just go done some decent sized quads or try something you can borrow first but the machados will probably feel nice for you. Could even just go semi large quad set depending on the fin system you go for. Yeah the puddle fish could still be an option. Just in my size there was a clear winner. Might not be the same for you though so don't let me put you off.
@@lawson45uk volume for volume would you say the seaside has significantly better paddle power than the quiver killer (as in if they have the same volume)? I wish my qk paddled quite a bit better but like it for steep drops. Sorry for all of the questions man, I'm a frugal engineer so analysis paralysis is my middle name...
Doug Beard Ha ha lol yup engineer myself so think 16 times buy once then think some more 🤣 hard to say. Its always a trade off have you ridden board with a decent bit more volume too. Some people go 1 litre too much and they moan about loosing sensitivity and performance while others are happy to accept a small sacrifice in those to catch more waves and have more fun speed and flow. If your quiver killer is ok and you go the 5'7" and your adding two litres abs going to helium I think it will have plenty of paddle power for you and still go well that's if you know and are pretty set on your volume. Some people riding 32 litres when they really want 40 some just need a little extra but not too much. From what your saying I think maybe the 5'7" could be the go. Suspect both would paddle better than your quiver killer. I'm personally never on the knifes edge so they all paddle ok. Would say "my" seaside paddles like a litre more than it is but when your getting down to 5'7" kinda length I really couldn't tell you accurately. I think the seaside should be a better paddler volume for volume accoss the board from my experience but as you go really short the shorter length can mean good float but don't necessarily paddle great as they don't have the length to trim. But yeah seaside would be a pretty confident to say it's a better paddler than its volume suggests. If you go the 5'7" you definitely have enough volume compared to the QK. The 5'6" probably be good too so weigh it up and trust your instincts mate. Maybe you can even find some people taking about how they paddle compared to other boards from people in your volume range in the FireWire forum if that's still a thing.
CW Rodriguez lol yeah mate I get that a lot aye :) lol I was 89 but closer on 80 now. Waves locally are really slow and dominated by longboards and sups and I'm over 40 and have had surgery on my back a few years a go so need a little help. Funny thing is some people think your mad even trying to ride a short board here and people who rode shoetboards some think your on way too much volume as do some shapers. Which is fair enough but yeah the local guys all ride big boards as it's super hard to get anything low volume going at all. I'm not a particularly good surfer at all either
@@lawson45uk damn, i feel ya. got some age setting in as well and gotta compete with the long boarders and groms out here in san diego. first time seeing your review. was solid. appreciate the time. i'm considering picking up the seaside in woolite this weekend
CW Rodriguez ha ha yeah here the groms are on 9'4" longboards so even on a 9'4" longboard your already on the back foot 🤣 nice you will be stoked on the seaside mate. What size are you going for. I would usually go that or more volume but it's more than enough for me even compared to what I'm used too. The wool tech sounds good. It was invented by a guy here in NZ. The same guy invented flexbar. He's making a rocket wide a size down from the one I reviewed at the minute. Thanks for watching and getting in touch buddy always nice to make contact with people from the surfing community 🤙
Francisco Ibarra Been and gone the chumlee I'm affriad so no reviews. Had a clear out about a year back and kept the 6'2" puddle jumper slim dims as the winner for that wave size. Cracking board the chumlee Though. Would definitely recommend one. Cheers.
Michael James Slattery 😂 lmao up the nob of rob is a good weekend ryme ... Mate I don't get paid to do reviews and virtually every board you ride is a spin on an old design. Ask anyone from the 60s-80s. All I can say is that rob is a great shaper and this board is pretty special. If you can demo one please do and if you still think the board and rob sucks that's all good your entitled to your opinion.
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I've got a 5'3'' and surfed with FCS perfomance quad medium size and it went really well. Then I bought the the RM quad and it didn't feel nearly as fast. Even paddling felt odd. Maybe those fins are too big/heavy for me (65kg).
igor hey mate. Good to hear the feedback from someone on a smaller board. Actually found the seaside quad a bit inconsistent on drive myself. Guess they maybe big down for you being on a smaller board. Might be hindering you getting the rail in and driving off it like your smaller fins allow you to do. Actually have had a couple of people saying they're getting good results with more of a performance quad set. Another guy on here was saying the stretch F4 and he was a reasonable weight I think. Guess that performance thin tail shape doesn't necessarily need huge rear fins.
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Nice review, how would you compare the ride style and wave range between the seaside and the chumlee?
Hey Sam. Thanks for your support and good question.. Both great boards both fairly similar wave range. I would probably ride either in waist to just a bit overhead locally but sweetspot is probably about the same too chest to head 2-3 maybe 4 ft being ideal. Would maybe feel a little more confident on the seaside if it was a little bigger ironically but not much in it at all.. From what I remember the seaside would paddle better per litre too. In Terms of riding style the seaside is definitely more of a fish feel with a lot more performance than a full retro (Like surprisingly good performance) The chumlee is more like a high performance baked potato if you have ever ridden any of the potato family. If not I would probably say more like a fatter shorter wider hybrid ride rather than fishy. Both excellent boards personally I would go give the seaside the nod just slightly but the chumlee was pretty long in the volume I ride so that would factor in if you ride less volume. Hope that helps both boards very fast and fun to ride and handle a fairly wide wave range.if you had a longboard one of those two and a hybrid like a psycho killer you would have everything form knee high to well overhead covered.
thanx for the review;
I'm doubting about the 5.7 seaside (33.6 l) and the 5.8 (35.4 l).
My favourite small wave board is the potatonator 5.8 33.9 L (for better waves i take my dominator helium 5.11 33.9 l)
So the 5.7 seaside has only 1.1% less volume then the potatonator but the seaside has defintely more surface area.
Do you think the more surface are of the seaside will compensate enoug (even more) the 1.1% less volume so its floats as good (even better) then the potatonator?
I'm afraid the 5.8 will feel to corcky.
Can you give me you opinion on this?
I've never ridden a seaside, but I love my potatonator (don't know why they stopped making this model) and I've ridden boards similar to the seaside. No I don't think the added surface area will give you more float for paddling however it may feel higher up and more quarky once you are up and riding at speed because you will have more planing surface. I prefer the shape of the potatonator because the nose is much more pulled in which lets me sink it easily and/or push it down the face of the wave to take off. Lastly, a wider board like the seaside will be much more stable, which is good if you are a beginner, but is bad if you really want to step up your maneuvers since it will be far easier to bog a rail. I feel like I would have to ride a board like a seaside more flat and be over the top of it, kind of like riding a skim board. I have come to realize that I am not a fan of too much volume in the nose of my short boards. Obviously it all comes down to preference.
I’m just new on this board 5’8”. 3 surfs on it ;1st wave on small but sucky wave with Kong’s fins in it, it felt dead. 2nd wave 3ft beach break with machado keel fins , very quick but uncontrollable, 3rd wave I used the machado quads on small beach break but I couldn’t get any drive off the bottom turn. Each surf I paddled out after on my long board and had fun. I’ll keep trying
I'm thinking this could be my next board to take with me to Indo....
justin lloyd I’m picking one up, want to bring it to Barbados with me
@@eamonshields2754 hope the board rides well my friend, have a sick time in Barbados 🤘
You mention the Puddle Jumper, how does it compare to the Puddle Jumper in terms of paddling and turning it? Thanks
Alfonso Saballett so my puddle jumper is a slim dims so it's actually 6'2" and 43 litres. I have had a 5'11" Lib Tech PJ though from what I can remember I would say the seaside is a slightly better paddler and both good boards to turn. Again the PJ is probably slightly more a fat version of a performance hybrid where the seaside is a performance version of a fish so depends on the experience your looking for. Probably 2 of the best boards an average surfer can get for average waves in the waist to head high wave range in my opinion though 👍
@@lawson45uk did you compare here PJ HP to seaside or the regular PJ?
How does it compare to the Psycho Nitro? Reason I ask, is I have a Psycho Nitro and this board looks amazing.
Esteban Eordogh Hey mate. You know that's exactly what I was thinking last night.... I really need to get the Psycho out more I have barely ridden it. I would say the Psycho is probably a bit less fishy and not as extremely wide point forward. Probably gonna ride a bit more like a step down performance hybrid than a fish. Both similar ethos and wave range though. The Psycho is a fast versatile wee board. It's not as wide as the Seaside so I would say if you want a fish that's fast and can handle a bit of size go the seaside if you want more of a regular performance feel with a lot of the stability and paddle power but not as much as the seaside go the Psycho. Hope that helps a bit. Think you would be stoked on either .. both stand out boards cheers
Thanks, I own a Psycho Nitro and I love it, wish I would have gotten it an extra couple of litters bigger though for groveling purposes. And I did not like it as a quad... but as a thruster works awesome for me.
I was looking into a fish, but seems like these 2 are somewhat similar boards, the only thing is that I might not like riding a quad and this is a dedicated quad. I own a EVO in Helium and love the technology!
Maybe I tried the wrong fins when I tried the quad and freaked out about the quad feeling.... the tail kept slipping and I got hit by a couple of times by the lip pretty hard.
This seaside looks so sexy though ;-)
Esteban Eordogh yeah if you have a hi fi I believe there already pre adjusted volume to match the poly volumes apparently so if you drop a litre on your preferred Polly volume to make up for epoxy you just dropped a litre. I ride mine 6'4" so pretty huge. I really like quads myself. Just try your favourite fronts with performer medium rear quads that's what 75 % of the fcs come with. Hayden sapes 4.2 in futures 👍
Have u tried it with like "normal" fins, something not keel style? Great review!!
Hi Atrhur. I haven't myself but on the reviews I have seen where people have sounds like it works fin. Would give you a bit more of a performance feel at the sacrifice of a little speed. Something like the stretch large would probably be a good middle ground. With the refined tail I suspect it would go fine. Some boards are so wide and thick in the tail they need the really big fins to control the tail seaside should be fine. Cheers.
@@lawson45uk thank u very much! Im making a copy of a sea side in EPS 5'6'' with a local shaper and the fins options here where i live arent that good hahaha! These rob machado fins are super expensive in here and really hard to find, so im thinking of getting something more "normal" but ill see if i cand find something that has that wider base for more speed. Ill show u when its done! Cheers mate!
@@27sherlock yeah cool mate. Feel free to send me a message on Instagram go_surf_nz I can give you some options for fins and possibly help you out with some pictures or measurements too. Cheers
What is your best groveller?
Ryan The Rock hard to beat the bean bag for the really small stuff especially if you have flatter faced waves like we do. 👍
I am 62 years old and was an advanced surfer when I was younger 100 years ago. I have just had my hip replaced and my goal is to start long boarding on my new 8'8" firewire gem by October. My goal is to get back to my version of a short board which is approximately 45ltrs of volume. I have looked at the reviews of the greedy beaver and was thinking maybe a 6'4" in that but I just love the look of the seaside. I don't know if I am dreaming by imagining myself on a 6' or 6'1" seaside. I had a 7' addvance but once I felt comfortable there was just too much foam especially in the tail. I weigh 88kgs but am aiming to get down to 86kgs. My best surfing years in Australia were on an MR Twin Fin and I think in those days the shortest board I rode was 6'4". Be straight up, you won't hurt my feelings. Seaside or safer bet...greedy beaver?
Chris Findlay hey buddy thanks for getting in touch. Ohhhh super hard to say without seeibf how you surf. I bought a spare seaside from a guy early 60s that couldn't get on with it but I'm talking to another guy that missed out on my retro fish but he's 60's and on a 5'11" omni which I could never ride in a month of Sunday's 🤣 so back to you I definitely think you could consider the seaside it's certainly not that far behind the beaver for paddle and stability. I have the 5'11" and its plenty I was going to get the 6'0" and glad I didn't so yeah for sure you could consider the 6'0" you could almost consider the 5'11" if your In the market for a beaver to be honest the beaver has a very narrow tail so the wave doesn't get under is as much to pick it up as you might think. If there is anything your not gonna struggle to be ok with on the seaside it would be the short length. On the beaver you could even go 6'6" if you really wanted. You could get an lost RNF retro or even look at the MR Cali Twin too if you like that 2+1 MR style. All definitely worth considering though sounds Iike you know your stuff so just be honest with yourself but don't write yourself off either. Can you demo boards there ? Let me know what you think. I know what you mean about the advance there pretty clunky looking. I always fancied a 6'6" for that tiny stuff but I think there are a lot of better boards around now maybe? The seaside I rekon paddles better than the chmlee and to be fair lost boards of that same volume I rekon if that helps so definitely put it in the running
@@lawson45uk I checked out the review on the lost puddle fish which seems to compare in performance to the seaside. The 6'4" is 46ltrs which would work well for me and the extra length may help. Having said that the width of the seaside offers stability plus can offer equal float ability if that's a word to litre volume. I am not a pocket surfer so much now...eg. vertical hits of the lip in the pocket, I am more the carving type driving out to the shoulder and cut back to the source. Or maybe that is just in my mind...hahaha. I just want to be able to go out and have some fun in 3-4' beach breaks where a longboard sometimes doesn't quite fit as well. Good paddling, catching waves and manoeuvrability are super important to me.
Chris Findlay yeah I would give the seaside the nod over the pudddle fish. Pudddle fish took a bit of getting over the lip and needed more of a wave ironically. The standard puddle jumper in the longer slim dims I actually ended up preffering. .. I would go seaside or RNF retro. The RNF retro is actually the one that's gonna handle being over volume for your size best out of the bunch. Very user friendly. 👍
@@lawson45uk Is the RNF Retro still very manoeuvrable? The tail on the Seaside looks thinner and pulled in more?
Chris Findlay yeah it's not quite as zippy as the seaside but mine is 2.5 litres and 3 inches bigger. lots of get up and go. Definitely handles being oversized with a bit more confidence than the seaside. That's my main reason for giving it the nod for you. Mine is the stock 6'2" 43.5 litres and carries it well. There both great boards though so go with your gut or the one you really want you will be stoked either way 👍
I'm 86 kg and the 5' 11" seems like a massive board. I'm looking at either the 5'8 or 5'9.
Yeah no reason why not mate. There isn't any right and wrong just what works best for your ability fitness and the waves you are riding. The model has good volume paddles well and pretty stable. I have mates on 5'6" through 6'0" with about a 20kg weight spread and each have find a size that works for them. Size it well compared to what your used to and you don't be disappointed 👍
@@lawson45uk Thanks! I'm currently on a 44 liter Puddle Jumper, and I feel like I can go down in volume a bit.
@@livedeliciously yeah absolutely. Geat board the OG PJ. Have had a couple of those. Think you will enjoy the seaside very quick and versatile board nice shape to drop a few litres on if your progression is going in that direction hope it works well for you. Let me know how you like it. Be keen to hear cheers.
Hi what weight are you I think you said you where riding this in 5'11. I am 6' 90kg what size would you recommend
Hi :-) I was 88 but just dropped a few KGs.. Recommendations are super subjective .. Any comparison you can give me from what you ride or have ridden? I would recommend around your Grovel volume maybe a litre less it paddles great.. i usually grovel around 42 - 44 litres this is 41 and feels and paddles like a litre up but gips and turns like a litre down so it's a pretty impressive board. If your in a slow wave and used to bigger volume boards or dont get out much something like the 5'11" could be great if your in a good wave and rip a 90kg guy might ride 2 sizes down so hard to say. Im similar weight to you and love mine in the slow local wave. It's wide at this size so another thing that I like but if your used to 19.5" wide you might not like it if your used to longboards it it will just feel nice nad stable .. Hope that helps.. The Volume calculator on firewire, JS and lost websites can be kinda useful if your not sure but they will all say slightly different.. Cheers.
P.S. My mate is 90 and 6' too and he want the 5'10" so your definitely in the ball park but again super subjective you might want 20% less volume for a good surfer in a good wave..
Thanks for your help I will go for the 5'10 cheers
@@robwallace360 Any time mate hope you love it as much as I do :-)
@@lawson45uk 😎thanks brother hope the waves treat you well. Keep the reviews coming.
Thanks for the review man. You mentioned the seaside paddles better than the puddle fish. How would you say the overall ride differs when considering drive, speed, stability, maneuverability, etc.? I am trying to decide between the two and will have a spot in my quiver the same as you mentioned (mini simmons is my groveler and quiver killer is my good wave board).
Hi Doug. I think it probably depends on what size your riding a lot too. I loved the way through puddle fish rode but after having it a bit longer seems to sturggle getting it into a wave and over the lip even compared to the puddle jumper so that's what made me sell that one guys riding the really short and lower volume may have a different experience but not sure. Seaside is great. Good paddler fast light lively. Can get a little slippery at times but again depends on what volume you ride. I have a lost Hydra on order and that's getting some really good feedback so could be a good option for you. The RNF retro is also a solid little board. Hope that's not just more confusing. Puddle fish I was finding it needed a wave with more grunt than what it was designed for and not going so well when it was small which is strange as on paper and compared to the puddle jumper it should have been better in smaller waves as it's the most grovelly again. Might have just been my experience and others fin it completely different seaside is definitely an opinion your unlikely to be disappointed in. If you prefer PU to epoxy Hydra and RNF retro could be worth a look. Cheers
@@lawson45uk Thanks for the reply man. I'm 6'0" and 165 lb. on a 5'10 quiver killer (32 L), so was thinking the 5'8 puddle fish or 5'7 seaside (maybe 5'6?). What size would you recommend? Would you recommend the split keels or machado quads for someone in my size? I would be using this board in weaker and low quality waves with some size (not true groveler). The quiver killer is my go to for steeper and good quality waves. With that being said, I am going to guess you will say the seaside... ?
hey Doug. Yeah just looked at the volume and agree with your size calls. You could definitely consider the 5'6" at 32.7 litres depending on how you feel it's a cracking paddler and if your QK is Poly the helium is really light and epoxy feels more boyant and it paddles well anyways so the 32.7 litres could be good or you could go for the 5'7" and enjoy a bit more paddle power. Hard to advise accurately for your size but mine I went on the what I thought was that low side for s grovel board and it's got plenty of volume but most would say that about even my skinniest boards 🤣🤣 hard to say. Machados could be nice at the size your riding. I love split keels and there very fast but could feel a little tracky for you. Could even just go done some decent sized quads or try something you can borrow first but the machados will probably feel nice for you. Could even just go semi large quad set depending on the fin system you go for. Yeah the puddle fish could still be an option. Just in my size there was a clear winner. Might not be the same for you though so don't let me put you off.
@@lawson45uk volume for volume would you say the seaside has significantly better paddle power than the quiver killer (as in if they have the same volume)? I wish my qk paddled quite a bit better but like it for steep drops. Sorry for all of the questions man, I'm a frugal engineer so analysis paralysis is my middle name...
Doug Beard Ha ha lol yup engineer myself so think 16 times buy once then think some more 🤣 hard to say. Its always a trade off have you ridden board with a decent bit more volume too. Some people go 1 litre too much and they moan about loosing sensitivity and performance while others are happy to accept a small sacrifice in those to catch more waves and have more fun speed and flow. If your quiver killer is ok and you go the 5'7" and your adding two litres abs going to helium I think it will have plenty of paddle power for you and still go well that's if you know and are pretty set on your volume. Some people riding 32 litres when they really want 40 some just need a little extra but not too much. From what your saying I think maybe the 5'7" could be the go. Suspect both would paddle better than your quiver killer. I'm personally never on the knifes edge so they all paddle ok. Would say "my" seaside paddles like a litre more than it is but when your getting down to 5'7" kinda length I really couldn't tell you accurately. I think the seaside should be a better paddler volume for volume accoss the board from my experience but as you go really short the shorter length can mean good float but don't necessarily paddle great as they don't have the length to trim. But yeah seaside would be a pretty confident to say it's a better paddler than its volume suggests. If you go the 5'7" you definitely have enough volume compared to the QK. The 5'6" probably be good too so weigh it up and trust your instincts mate. Maybe you can even find some people taking about how they paddle compared to other boards from people in your volume range in the FireWire forum if that's still a thing.
Tri plane hull on the bottom. Rob would have picked that up from Al.
Bro, how big are you?? The boards you're riding seem massive. I'm 215 lbs and even 35-36L is bordering on too big for me
CW Rodriguez lol yeah mate I get that a lot aye :) lol I was 89 but closer on 80 now. Waves locally are really slow and dominated by longboards and sups and I'm over 40 and have had surgery on my back a few years a go so need a little help. Funny thing is some people think your mad even trying to ride a short board here and people who rode shoetboards some think your on way too much volume as do some shapers. Which is fair enough but yeah the local guys all ride big boards as it's super hard to get anything low volume going at all. I'm not a particularly good surfer at all either
@@lawson45uk damn, i feel ya. got some age setting in as well and gotta compete with the long boarders and groms out here in san diego. first time seeing your review. was solid. appreciate the time. i'm considering picking up the seaside in woolite this weekend
CW Rodriguez ha ha yeah here the groms are on 9'4" longboards so even on a 9'4" longboard your already on the back foot 🤣 nice you will be stoked on the seaside mate. What size are you going for. I would usually go that or more volume but it's more than enough for me even compared to what I'm used too. The wool tech sounds good. It was invented by a guy here in NZ. The same guy invented flexbar. He's making a rocket wide a size down from the one I reviewed at the minute. Thanks for watching and getting in touch buddy always nice to make contact with people from the surfing community 🤙
@@lawson45uk hells yea brother. good info, thanks for sharing. I'm about 215lbs (98kg) by 6'2"(188cm) and looking at the 5'8" woolite
CW Rodriguez cool hope you like it mate. Pretty sure you will be stoked 🤙👍
You mention that you have a Chumlee? any review coming soon?
Francisco Ibarra Been and gone the chumlee I'm affriad so no reviews. Had a clear out about a year back and kept the 6'2" puddle jumper slim dims as the winner for that wave size. Cracking board the chumlee Though. Would definitely recommend one. Cheers.
nice board, is the paddle included in the price?
brerair 😂 lol nah paddles always extra mate. Do you have a comedy channel so I can subscribe 🤙
Anyone saying that Rob does not matter and this board shape is even older than Rob?
Why is everyone up on the Nob of Rob?
Michael James Slattery 😂 lmao up the nob of rob is a good weekend ryme ... Mate I don't get paid to do reviews and virtually every board you ride is a spin on an old design. Ask anyone from the 60s-80s. All I can say is that rob is a great shaper and this board is pretty special. If you can demo one please do and if you still think the board and rob sucks that's all good your entitled to your opinion.