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In this episode, we discuss the Twitter dumpster fire resulting from Eric's post regarding the first Sikh Marine who graduated with his articles of faith against the traditional uniform requirements of the US Marines. The internet is hotly divided on this topic.
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As a marine, just wanna bring up how hostile the military was against legal religious exemptions for the jab. My problem is they let his guy violate 100 years of uniform regulation, but discharged people hesitant about the experimental jab created from aborted baby stem cells.
It's because he's not white
Agree 100%
That's pretty much the exact thing I was going to say. No one else got religious exemption for any other reason except for this guy. Total bs . Democrat socialist bs
@@VaroVammawhen I got to 30th AG on the way into OSUT one of the first things I was told is that I could wear a cross or other religious symbol on my dog tags if I wanted to, it's explicitly authorized by Army Regulation.
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not that this wasnt an interesting topic, but i feel that not having episode 357 be about the 357 magnum was a missed opportunity.
For sure lol
@@joeyphillips1181 it would of been alot better! I love this channel but it seems ever since eric go his goa director job, and now in the political spotlight, his views/opinions have went down the gutter!
@@user-kt2oi4rn7rhe has posted a lot less since. I rarely watch this channel now and will most likely unsub when I go through my list.
Ep.357a?
@@ECThomas89episode 357Mag ❓
The issue people are taking is that there is exactly ONE man who has been given special privileges. Allow them for everyone or no one - otherwise we are not equal. Simple as.
No real problem with it. But how will he use a gas mask?
@@tacocat6035 His beard would have to be shaved down so if he were to donn his mask it would compress it enough to make some sort of seal. If his hair is short it won't affect the seal that much. The alternative is to redesign the gas mask to have the bottom part of the mask go down to his neck to attain a seal. As someone who has done gas mask training in the heat the thought of extending that rubber down to my neck is dreadful.
How many of the others hold a serious faith that forbids them to adhere to standard dress? Are Jewish Marines forbidden to wear a yamaka? Serious question as I don’t know.
@@evilassaultweaponeer What is standard dress for then? Nothing? Correct.
@@evilassaultweaponeer Yes. That's the issue. One man gets to break the rules instead of just fixing the problem.
I served with a Sikh in the Army he had an ACU turban and beard, he was really cool and a great soldier.
You're totally missing the point. And that's another point, once we go shades of gray, you can go to grayish white or grayish black (complete anarchy).
Anecdote. Totally meaningless comment.
The problem I see here is the contradiction or double standard with how religious exemptions are handled. So this guy can wear his turban but thousands of service men and women were forced to take the jab regardless of their religious beliefs? As Joe would say "come on man!"
ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY RIGHT!
But no one will touch that with a 10' pole, will they?
It's too easy to crap on Christians.
Not taking vaccines isn’t a part of Christianity like how hair is for Sikhism. It’s not a fair comparison
Don't you get a bunch of vaccinations when you enter any armed service branch?
Exactly.
@@amerikhan8507 and also required to get the annual flu vaccine.
What I think is infuriating for most people, myself included, is there’s this big push to accommodate certain demographics but it requires a federal lawsuit to get a religious accommodation for clearly first amendment-protected free exercise of religion. It always seems like these accommodations are always only in one direction for certain people, but they see no issue kicking thousands to the curb for religious objections to the Covid vaccine.
Wearing a special hat doesn't effect the NWOs plans, refusing the jab does. You go against the NWO you must be punished. Wait till they unleash the transvestite drill Sargents.
I don't know, it seems like once the covid bullshit got turned into a political debate there were a whole lot of people trying to jump on the religious bandwagon just to justify acting difficult in public when it came to vaccinations or wearing a face mask. Active strict practice of religion isn't the same as using religion to have a tantrum over a trivial inconvenience. It's like the people who buy a dog they don't properly train or care for then register it as a service animal so they can do whatever they want with total disregard for the rest of society
Right you are!
Spot on!!! B.S.
Absolutely!
Chaplains are trained to support and service to their (primary faith) but are also trained to support the troops non-denominationally!
It’s simple. Everyone should be under the same rules and conditions
I agree. Men AND Wommen. Religious AND non-religious should all be subject to the same dress and grooming regs.
…and PT scores.
@@bmrz38 100%
Men should be allowed long (within reason) hair and women should have to meet the same physical standards as men.
Imagine joining their army and demanding you can wear your special hat. I find it difficult to believe they would be cool with it.
@@FinalLugiaGuardian definitely not what’s wrong with you 😂
The biggest thing to me is the relaxation of standards for the lowest among us physically and mentally. When I was served it was only the best excepted to even go to boot camp to be tested to see if you could do the job.
I remember when maxing out the pt score was the standard. I couldn’t give two shits what the man next to me believes regarding religion. I sure as hell care more about whether or not he could drag my unconscious body to safety or not.
My dad and uncle were both Korean war veterans and MY dad was a retired drill instructor. He was a TOTAL HARDASS. He was a hardass when he died at 84 in 2018. I am Soooooo glad that he hasn't had to see what a circle jerk this entire country has become. This isn't what he stood for or fought for.
Agreed. And that is a different issue and very important.
"When I served it was only the best excepted" lmao this has to be satire
Yeah only the best that can score at least an eleventeen on the ASVAB.
Out of uniform??? If he was given permission, he is IN uniform.
They are the bravest soldiers this planet have ever seen, I read so much history on them and it blew ny mind.
They have historically made good soldiers who die where they are ordered to die. However the same could be said about Germans.
They could just make a separate Sikh unit like the British did many years ago.
Almost on par with the gurkhas
@Louzahsol we beat the gurkhas lol, but ok
@@Ajeet_Singh14 nope
I graduated boot camp with that guy he is pretty chill and earned the right to be called a Marine
Bullshido
I served in the U.S. Army with two Sikhs (with uniform exemptions similar to this Marine) in the late-'90s / early-'00s, one of which was my battalion commander for a while. Neither were Chaplin Corps. When I first met them, I was a bit confused, but I never had a problem with them. You mentioned it in the video, but I can confirm that the Sikh religion has a disciplined-warrior tradition that meshes well with U.S. military service.
About the turban: they will swap to a helmet, if needed; they just keep a light cap over their hair (which is kind of bunched up on top), and the hair reputedly serves in lieu of a helmet pad. Asked about the gas mask thing, they stated if there is an actual NBC danger: "the beard will grow back, but until then, I'm keeping it."
The facial hair restrictions are probably the only hair restrictions that actually make sense in today's day and age due to needing to get a tight seal on a gas mask.
As for head hair? All the regulations on head hair are simply unnecessary military cultural hold over from 1918 and don't have a practical effect on combat effectiveness. Let the hair grow (to a length within reason).
@@FinalLugiaGuardianA guy in a turban not ok to have facial hair, but a guy in special forces that's ok. I get it the guy in the special forces is trying to blend in with the public and all of that, but still both guys can ran into a situation where poison gas is present.
"This day and age"..... not even the war in Ukraine we HAVEN'T seen a lot IF any gas being used on either side. So, I am not sure where you get that conclusion from.
@@Yourmommyisbusythe only thing I would bring up on the gas mask front is that it isn’t necessarily poison gas that would be the primary concern. Remember a typical US military gas mask is CBRN rated so there are multiple different things going on there. But otherwise I do agree with you
A lot of times when you need a gas mask it's sudden with no warning to shave first
@@FinalLugiaGuardian Hair and beard regulation was to reduce disease BEFORE we even had gas masks. If you want to say we have better hygiene products now so it's obsolete, that's a different argument.
The problem is if everyone is there is going to be a breakdown of uniformity. The service is just that, a service, and sometimes your services are not required or needed due to certain aspects. Do i respect the Sikhs? Totally. Do I respect their history as warfighters? Undoubtly. BUT, and here's the big but, they are joining the US military, not the other way around. Example, if a Muslim (and NOTHING against them, just easiest example) went to work at a McDonalds and forced them to remove bacon from the menu because it doesn't go with their religion. They knew going in what this entails, and choices have to be made. I served for 22 years, and I had to conform to the style, not the other way around. Sometimes the service isn't for everyone due to various things. Is it vexing? Sure. Are some of the rules outdated and seemly with no purpose now of days? Totally agree. BUT if you've got leadership preaching from their soap box about uniformity and basic military standards in one hand, then allowing outside of "standards" in the other to certain people, discipline can break down and resentment allowed into the mix because you're holding one group to a certain set of rules, and another it's fine with. I believe that's where a lot of the animosity stems from.
When you start giving exceptions to one group, you have to give exceptions to ALL groups. That's where the trouble will get out of hand. Do I think some of the requirements are silly now of day? Again yes, but when you hold one group of soldiers to one set of rules and another set to another that will lead to resentment.
Very well said. I do agree with Eric and Chad but you made great points.
Now here’s a question. What about the guys who get waivers for shaving because of say psoriasis? They knew before they enlisted that they can’t shave their face often enough to stay clean shaven? Should those exceptions not be allowed? What does @iraqveteran8888 think?
The exceptions already exist for ALL groups. Active-duty Marines are already allowed wear religious headwear (turbans, kippahs, hijabs) as long as it fits underneath a helmet, or it must be removed when wearing a helmet is required. The only difference now is that recruits can wear articles of faith during boot camp too.
Similarly, Christians and Catholics are allowed to wear crosses or even have a giant cross tattoo'd across their chest, as long as it doesn't interfere with wearing protective equipment like a plate carrier. That's been the standard: you can practice your faith, as long as it doesn't degrade your ability to fight or wear protective equipment.
The argument about a Muslim banning pork at McDonalds is an entirely different situation. The Sikh is not trying to have the barracks cover banned across the Marine Corps. Furthermore, the USMC is not the dress blues corps, the uniform looks nice, but it isn't the reason for the Corps' existence. People are complaining about this being the start of a slippery slope, but the standard today is the same as it has always been: warfighting. If it doesn't make us a better warfighting force, it can be changed. If it makes us a worse warfighting force, it must be destroyed. If it makes us a better warfighting force, it should be kept. Whether we have one Sikh Marine or an entire battalion, those are US Marines who would otherwise not be there, and that improves warfighting.
The British in over 150 years of allowing Sikh soldiers to wear their turbans never once had a discipline problem with them or any other soldiers stemming from their turbans or beards. Same with Scottish units and their kilts for over 300 years. Your argument, taken to its logical endpoint would have decorations, tabs, and rank insignia deleted from the uniform. These things reduce uniformity after all don't they? How about the Army's Service Cap? That's different, less uniformity, gotta go.
VERY well said!
Im more disappointed and disgusted by the rape and sexual assaults in the military than any of this other bs.
Apples and Oranges. The turbin was allowed, the crimes were not. I'm more disappointed by a 1st degree felony than a 2nd degree or misdemeanor. Do we stop caring about those?
@@ChatGPT1111gotta felling that the felonies here are the rapes and assault, not the turban.
Sikhs have been serving...a couple gave it all for the Flag...including a young Marine Corporal in 2013.
This comment needs more likes. RIP unknown Sikh soldier.
Does he have a name?
If the military drafts, they have to put our rights. If you want to enlist, you have to put up with military rules.
I served, you still have rights. You still have autonomy. It's no different than a cammo yamika or a cross. Poor excuses for unalienable rights for anyone who has raised their right hand.
@@Foxholefirearms sort of. Your rights are kind of suspended while in uniform. The yamika and cross only come out during church services. They went away as soon as it was over.
@bl8danjil a. In accordance with 10 USC 774, Soldiers may wear items of religious apparel while in uniform, except where
the items would interfere with the performance of military duties or the items are not neat and conservative. Religious
apparel are articles worn by a Soldier as a part of the religious observance of his or her faith.
@@bl8danjil in other words, no. They're allowed at all times
@@Foxholefirearms Nope, in the 9 years of post 9/11 service. I have never seen them wear it outside of religious service.
Crosses can be worn underneath clothing so there is no way to tell and again, they are only worn outside during church services. Yamika are not worn outside of religious service because it interferes with duties. Also, it would be a pretty big "shoot me" sign during deployment to Afghanistan and Iraq to wear that.
With that said, the rules might have changed after I left. It is the woke military now.
The bigger issue i have about the military is that for some reason, smokers are not given as much shit for smoming and shooting the shit but when non smokers takes the same amount of breaks but not in the smoke pit they are getting yelled at.
E3 underground knows what’s up
This guy definitely served lol
That happens in the civilian world as well. It's the Lung Cancer Clause
That’s why you just go hangout with the smokers.
@mcfero1 I did started to carry a pack of smokes just to pretend like I'm smoking or just finished
I work with a Sikh Marine officer and he is hands down one of the best leaders I have had in my 13+ years of service. He is also one of the coolest dudes I know. Yes, he wears a beard and turban in uniform.
Captain Toor?
If he he wears a beard and turban then he is NOT in uniform very simple, I was in USMC the regulations on the uniform is very specific. FYI with beard he automatically FAILS gas chamber
@@ghostshadow9046who asked bro?
Cant see the issue tbh
@@ghostshadow9046 Incorrect. Modern gas masks are made to seal with beards. He is within regulations. Times have changed. Sorry man.
The first Sikh that joined the Royal Canadian Mounted Police caused a similar level of controversy by not wearing the traditional campaign hat back in the 1980's.
Cool, so when do females have to register for the draft?
America right now in a nutshell.
Two sets of standards.
Exactly
It's always been that way.
@@operator001uhhhh - no - this Sikh BS wouldn't have been tolerated even 15 years ago
@@Christoph-sd3zi I was commenting on two sets of standards. Always has been double standards.
I am a Sikh serving as a Active Duty soldier in the Army at Fort Cavazos.If you have questions,go ahead and ask away.
The Guru smiles on you brother.
How nice is it to keep your beard? We’re all jelly.
I'm in the UK I grew up with many Sikh's all amazing people with a strong warrior tradition and the most generous people I have met as a faith . You have my respect brother
Hooah! Thank You for your service.
risky7165 : Do you carry a Kirpan?
Thank You For Your Service
I'm watching this now. I knew right from the start what the controversy was and where I would stand on the issue. I once worked with a guy who served with some Sikh soldiers in the Korean war. He told me that they were the fiercest warriors he had ever seen. Sikhs never cut any hair. It is out of respect for God that they wear the turbin. Their religion was started as a way to quell the Hindu-Muslim fighting in India.
I don't really have an issue with a Sikh in the military. The greatest warriors in history had beards and tattoos. What I have an issue with is that our military is inherently weak. We're perceived as strong because we're an empire but the average American soldier compared to the average historical warriors of the Romans, Greeks, Medieval Europe or Vikings, it's not even a competition of physical and mental fitness.
The fact we allow these degenerates and profligates to *RUN* our military let alone join is absolutely a disgrace.
I was in boot camp with this guy. Different company but I saw him all the time because he was a squad leader.
B.s.
"was a squad leader". Not based on where he was marching in formation....
@@boldie24 I’m telling you, he was a squad leader. I saw him on a near daily basis around the depot and he was always marching as 2nd squad leader. Also in the picture he’s literally marching in the front of the platoon what are you talking about?
Nah dudes telling the truth. Sikh dude was in golf company, I saw that motherfucker everyday too he was in the company behind us. And yes they made him a squad leader and everyone knew it was because he was “special” 🤓
Sikhs a generally really good soldiers and i'm sure they make excellent Marines. Very devout, loyal and brave. If our whole corps was made up of Sikhs we probably wouldn't ever loose a war. @@mizzetz5343
The evolution of another revolution. Semper Fi Marine.
I personally don't care whether somebody is one religion or another or not religious at all but in a combat situation I would rather be matched to my comrads in order to reduce the odds of being accidentally shot
Id be more worried about the Army Colonel who thinks hes a Rottweiler. As long as he's not causing problems for the unit then let him serve
Exactly. He volunteered to possibly kill and die for this nation. I’m here for it. I served with people of all faiths, and I’m happy for him.
He can serve, he just needs to respect the uniform
@@mitchgann1469who said he doesntm
I have found people of the Sikh faith to be amazing people.
But can they swear an oath tog for our constitution? Obama couldn’t.
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Same.
Same
@zoeyshoots what does that even mean lol.
@@andrew5689 it’s self explanatory. A Muslim cannot swear an oath to god
I personally have zero issue with him representing his faith but i'm torn. The other part of me thinks we should keep the uniform standards and no one should get special treatment.
Nobody should be getting special treatment. That's one of the points they teach you in boot camp.
Should you be allowed to wear a cross?
@@theeasternfront6436 Outwardly? If we are going for standards, no.
@@bl8danjil its called a "uniform" for a reason..i e..all the same...next month someone will want to wear a flower pot on their hear...it all starts by giving one person special treatment.
@@nunyabidness7547 Don't over exaggerate.
Now only if American Christians were this dedicated to their religion.
I was in bootcamp with him, he was in golf and i was in echo so i was a couple cycles ahead of him but i saw him a few times i'm pretty sure he was a squad leader.
If I remember right, precedent had already been set. I believe that a Sikh graduated from USAF Security Forces training and also had a beard and a turban? which matched the color of the beret worn by that group. If I'm wrong, it's not the first time and surely won't be the last. Personally, I would have been proud to serve with a Sikh any day.
There was an Army Captain as well, had an ACU camo turban. Just like Samoans get extra allowance for weight, if it keeps good personnel who perform to standard there shouldn’t be an issue.
What’s the damn point of the uniform if some get exemptions lol
One of my concerns is, where do they draw the line? How can people be discharged for refusing to get a shot, yet they make exceptions for things like this?
@@SamuelSchehrer
There are many uniform exemptions.
This should tell you everything about how our government feels about Christianity.. so much for religious exemptions 3 years ago..
The Sikh guy didn't do anything wrong, but I'd be curious to see what the USMC's answer would have been if he had said he had a religious objections to getting the clot shot.
They’ll change anything to get people in, except for the poke.
You only need to read the news to quell your curiosity, they don't permit it.
Don't sweat the small stuff. God bless him for sacrificing for this country where not too many young people are willing to.
As a former USAF CATM Instructor, I see no problem with this. In fact, if he can fight give me 100 more.
Thank you for the news brother.
Again, I see you and have the same thought of thank you to Eric and Chad. Have a happy weekend! No, I'm not following you around, I just tend to say "hello" to those I see more often and agree with, as well...✌
@@GmanGSW your cool brother I know you ain't following me around.
Wish people weren’t afraid to speak their mind without fear of being canceled.
My WO was a sikh , serve with him for 10 years. Very just , fair and always had our back .
I spent 26 1/2 years in the Army,VN thru Desert Shield. As a medic/ Physicans Assistant. I worked with many Chaplain 28:,both Christian and Jewish ( this was Muslim Cleric could be Chaplains.) They would counsel people of all religions or no religion. They could relate to people as “people” not as a follower of their religion. I had respect them for their service. The did not discriminate on any one.
The Sikhs are a religion of warriors, I would rather have a Sikh beside me in his articles of faith than so some the indivduals our society is producing these days.
Oorah.
true that as a north indian, my punjabis and sikh brothers and sisters are fcking warriors. me too as a rajastani.
@@N-xi2zhso they should be warriors in the Indian Army - not in a White man's army
@@Christoph-sd3ziAmerica is a melting pot? Not a white man land
@@Christoph-sd3zi What makes you think they joined some other counties army? They were born and raised in America. That means they are american just like any other race.
when i was getting bullied in middle school, the sikhs were the only ones who defended me. It's a focal part of their religion. I'd stand by them likewise.
He's a marine. Hes a volunteer. Why would anyone have a problem with that?
Anybody who makes it past marine recruit training shows some intestinal fortitude. Thats a hell of a lot more committed than i could be.
So hey...all power to him.
Because there are standards. Should we cater to every individual's belief?
Dangerous to start putting the individual ahead of the organisation as a whole.
@@beyondbackwater4933 - I'll bet that you've never served a day of your life in the military.
I think the best way to make your case is to tell us just how far you would bend before you say OH HELL NO!!! give us an idea because im a traditionist basically. I believe once you open the can it never stops
Exactly!
He won't, he doesn't want to lose views.
The only reason this was brought up, the guys want to appear for what passes as having, "NORMAL MORAL STANDARDS".
THEY SURE AS HELL DON'T WANT TO APPEAR TO HAVE
"TRADITIONAL VALUES",GOD FORBID.
How about drawing the line at "as long as it doesn't hurt combat-readiness"? After all, that's the primary job of the military. People have been complaining about "bending tradition" since the military began racial integration.
It should never stop. You don't want to find yesterday's war with a musket? Your enemies will progress, you must too.
@@hond654 Wow I don't know how to respond to that.
Quote from my father 1st Marine Division Korean War sergeant and squad leader. “You fight for your country, but you REALLY fight for your fellow Marine!”🇱🇷
It might help if you actually could identify the American flag
@@yahRUCKyah Maybe he fights for Liberia. Haha.
What's your point?
@@fyou2327 What’s yours. You wouldn’t understand if I told you.
First Amendment!!!!... Never met a Sikh I didn't like..
Nothing new here. Sikhs have served the British Commonwealth for years and it hasn't been a problem. I wouldn't get too worked up about it.
Seriously number “357” and it isn’t about 357 magnum? 😂
As Somone Who Is A 2A Carrier Of A Ruger GP100 4" 357 In Califas (California), I Was A Bit Offended..
@EastSalinas as someone who doesn't discriminate against any holepunchers, I say, "carry on good sir"...I also say ouch because my .357 bulldog would absolutely punish my hands...this certainly is a missed opportunity for episode 357...
About 7/8 years ago the Military commissioned it's first Sikh Chaplain after he was able to demonstrate that he could get a seal on his gas mask.
If special ops can have a beard then so can everyone else. I believe gas mask tech has probably only gotten better since WW1/WW2 and Sikh soldiers perfectly wore them back then with dastars (turbans) and beards.
The Sikhs are a group who are devoted to their faith and equally devoted to achieving honorable service in what ever they strive to do, and if this man wants to serve then the USMC should be DAMN happy to have him, i for one would be Proud to stand beside him.
Then go to 7/11
I was a PMC in multiple theaters in the GWOT, and before. At one point I was working with Brits, we had 2 Sikhs and a whole bunch of Gurkhas both groups were hardcore warriors. I enjoyed working closely with all these dudes. I get the controversy especially with a storied service such as the USMC, but id much prefer be in theater with warriors then some ruppert wearing a dog mask or transitioning 20 something going thru sex changes.
i dont think fursuits are allowed in uniform, leave us folk out of it @@deepbludude4697
I think the biggest problem is it goes against tradition.
Everything goes against tradition now.
so?
That's just one problem.
@@pres2598well if you’re arguing he should be able to wear the turban, it is because you want to honor HIS tradition. Why is his tradition important, while the tradition of the Marine Corps is not?
If the man can meet the standards and fight and follow orders, that's what matters.
It’s called a UNIFORM.
If they can’t conform like everyone else then they shouldn’t have enlisted. No special treatment for one person’s religion and the other religions aren’t respected.
@@Grumpyoldman666 indeed you are.
Now its called a multiform thanks to this guy. Go cry about it. Sure hope you are not a vet or active duty complaining like a little girl about someone else's multiform.
Where does it stop? What's the criteria?
This is a little off topic but if I remember correctly our battalion chaplain had a CIB. He became a chaplain after Vietnam.
Jeff Streucker (TF Ranger, Somalia 93) is now a Chaplain. Great guy.
I'm a 21 year Army vet and I feel we must always dress as one in uniform.on your own time is different,but like you said..Times are changing. The picture with the officer hopefully was a tribute to the 3 ID Regiment in WW2..They were named Dog Face Soldiers..The Foot Soldier! Also a popular military song..at least I hope. Love your show!
Honest question, is there some way for him to complete NBC training? Not sure how he would get a mask seal.
Googled it, they have full gas masks that work with beards.
As hell, I finished the video and you addressed it. Good point and well said
@@Mike-oi3pgso he needs a special mask too
Having served with Sikh personnel in the British army I've always found them to be honourable, proud, kind, brave and engaging, they also carry boot knives as a religious requirement, i would rank them individually along side the Ghurkha's any day when the SHTF. God Bless both of those mentioned in this post. Amen
I for one am happy to see the culture open up and evolve, the whole motto of the Marine Corps, is adapt improvise and overcome. Currently the Corps. is having trouple retaining people. They gotta adapt. Love it.
When i was in AIT in 2017 i saw a Sikh Soldier leaving the chow hall one day saw it and shruged and kept moving. it was a reglious garment in garrison. I'm pretty sure the things would change in a field environment. any Profiles (such as shaving profiles can have things on there that are enforced.)
He looks different but professional. As long as the quality and professionalism is there it doesn't matter. If this is going to help recruit quality soldiers from a larger pool then it's a good thing.
Wrong
Your wrong.
You are 100% right. Sihks can fight very well probably better than the majority of crybabies whining about his hat.
I'd like to know if his articles of faith were kept throughout Boot Camp or was he just allowed to have it for Graduation, as a Marine I have no problem with it being for graduation and there after
Historically they have always wore their turban in combat and it sure as heck didn't hinder them based on their combat record. In fact they often times serve with distinction.
I understand what your are saying Eric, however once that exceptions door is opened, there is no closing it again. Also where do the exceptions stop now? Just like everything else, the exception will slowly over time keep expanding until its no longer a door but a plane hanger.
That man is willing to die for me , I don’t care what type of hat his religion tells him to wear
Is he?
@@Serahpinhundreds of years of Sikh history says unequivocally yes.
The Sikh guy dresses the same way every day of his life, he wears the turban to keep his long hair secure, as he cannot cut it for religious purposes and they are a warrior people, so it would be a liability in combat if it were loose. We don't have to worry about him doing his job, he will do it because they are strict followers of tradition and take their duties seriously, especially duties related to the military. I'm sure going up a helmet size would fit the turban as there's just hair in it and it will somewhat conform to the shape of the helmet and when in the field, he can wear OD green, multicam, or something like that, they wear many colors depending on the situation, so it doesn't have to be one color. A multicam turban would be pretty awesome looking. That being said, the military standard changes, and has changed over the years. The Marines didn't always wear the same stuff they do today. Back in the day, they wore tights and wigs and would consider what Marines wear today to be bizarre. So, what is a uniform code? Yes, it's dynamic, it changes with the times. The clothing is secure, it is not in the way, it isn't obstructing his vision or hearing, it can be changed to accommodate camouflage needs, gas attacks aren't happening, and the guy willingly wants to serve this country, so I don't see a problem with it.
Just one of a thousand problems with. Todays military..I retired from the service after28 years.
Here in England we obviously have a fairly large Sikh population and the police actually issue Kevlar lined turbans so the problem is basically solved!
No, it wasn't solved, you pandered to a minority.
@@jamesholden6142 yep diversity is division and division is weakness keep diversity where it belongs, in foreign countries and cultures
@@cagneybillingsley2165exactly, none of our adversaries has surrendered their discipline and order. They actually use our ridiculous clown-like practices as their recruiting advertisements and motivational videos.
As a marine, with a shave chit, idgaf. Knowing the history of the sihk at least they are a warrior culture lol but this isn't going to end well for them. I remember at chow my table being forced to pour chocolate milk on our lunch tray and mix it all together with salad and cottage cheese and eat it. But knowing his religion is vegetarian they had to show him favoritism and the marine Corp can't function if there is no equality. RIP America, hello Merica Camacho for prezident
Near 50 years ago, I embarked on a career in the US Army...I retired in '95,! So I am an "Old Fogey" but I really don't have issue with it either way. When I went to MP AIT I was trained alongside of Women, both Army and USMC. There was no harbor for any issue, that WOMAN at your side was fully expected to have your back and you have theirs. PERIOD! Same applies here! Thanks for your ability to field this topic freely and respectfully!
So, you were an MP in the Army that trained with women? I was an 11B infantryman in the Army that trained with men, so from the Infantry, I say, "thank you for your service" (middle finger raises)...
@@unmalo2768 Thanks, I can live with that!
@@unmalo2768Brother, I fell out....dammit man...lol😅
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Sikhs have always been cool people. Worked at a fair and met a young boy with crazy long hair, i tight he was a girl at first but they corrected me without being mad at all. Made sure to give him props on his nice ass hair lol. That's why they wear that turban, long hair
No one in the core should be treated any different than everybody else, should be just like every other servant, among his peers, that includes the outer appearance. Because now that we did it for one, we have to do it for everybody.
Not to mention what the army and the core did with all the people that got a religious exemption not to get the poke!
You are right anyone that has a specific hat their religion requires is 100% able to do so. No special treatment. If Anyone wants to wear a special hat all they have to do is convert to what ever religion they want that requires a special hat. So far as i can tell that would only include female Muslims and Jews, and Male Jews and sihks. The problem isn't the hats the problem is the guy who cant focus because of the hats. Shut up and do your job troop.
There are much bigger issues within the military than this. I'd be curious what the ratio of negative comments are as it pertains to served/didn't serve.
thanx guys
"Inclusion = weakness" - I can't believe it, but Chad actually got something right
I had a Jewish chaplain. She willingly and excitedly would discuss any religion and help anyone from any faith. I don't know if they're all like that, but my two chaplains were not adverse to helping others of any faith.
When I was injured in Afghanistan, the only religious figure at Eisenhower Army Medical Center was a rabbi, who brought in a local pastor, who later baptized me.
Im a first 1st generation Sikh American I guess you would say, parents came over in the 80s. Hard core 2a supporter. Probably the only gun supporter in my family so it was pretty interesting growing up lol. But we are very community oriented people, helping anyone and everyone, it’s actually a sin if we see trouble and don’t help. Our bloodline was made from war, we are taught not to give up and keep pushing, to not let the enemy win. But I consider myself American first, sikh second.
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@@VaroVamma I’m indifferent about what’s going on, I was just saying about the cultural aspect so chill out killer…
Sikh is a religion, not a race!!!!
@@GT2.0985 cool bro
I'm a '70s Marine who has always been in the high & tight and clean shaven tradition, but if this Marine is living out his lifelong faith, then I can go along with it. Some knucklehead who suddenly 'gets faith' just to be a slob, no.
Thank you for serving sir.
I'm a Jarhead Veteran. I don't see the problem with this. At all. I didn't realize this was controversial. As long as he does the job, he's my Brother. And i dig the dress blues turban. Looks sharp.
Sikhs are badass warriors, the Marines are lucky to have him.
Until he swings that rifle at his own troops and screams Allah snackbar! 😂
@@pauliewalnuts5241why would a Sikh praise Allah? Sikhs have been fighting Muslims from the inception of their religion.
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Man, you are right, and you know clearly what is right, I sincerely appreciate that.
It's a tough call. I retired from the military over 20 years ago, but at the end of the day I'm just glad he's a Devil Dog. Oorah.
I didn't even know the USA didn't have sihk marines? In the British Army we have all sorts of faiths and uniform. Black Africans do not need to shave as they can have skin issues etc
Isn't that what made the Marines so effective? Diversity...right?
Isn't it our strength?
Yes actually the federalist system is based off the idea of having different perspectives sitting down to find the best solutions to a problem. That's why we call this country the United States of America, because we have 50 different states and all the different groups of people that comes along with that all hashing out the best solutions for the problems that America faces. Also, America annexed many different peoples and their lands into the modern United States. North America was diverse before the United States and will still be diverse if the United States can't get their act together and understand there is no such thing as a Melting Pot aka assimilationism, which leads to homogeneity or mass sameness. Sameness is not compatible with liberty and individuality and self-determination.
@@purplespeckledappleeater8738 I think we are talking about 2 diff types of diversity.
I'm talking about the modern definition that is corrosive, doesn't value the family, tradition, culture, and seeks to destroy all the things that used to mean a LOT to us all.
No. Every Marine is a Marine first. There are no Black Marines, Asian Marines, Indian Marines.
There are only Marines. The opposite of diversity. Uniformity made the Marines a Corps.
@@joemo1033 I think we are talking about the same topic. That's why people call the Democrats and their Woke activists socialists while after WWII the US Government determined that traditional American values and the values of the Soviet Union were exact opposites. America is diverse because authoritarian governments hate actual diversity of thought, ideas, culture, and even ethnicity. Socialists are warmongers. There is no country on Earth more diverse than the USA because so many people migrate here from all over the world. America is the natural enemy of all dictatorships. When authoritarians press conformity and attack the US Constitution, they are trying to tear down liberty.
Liberty: "the state of being free within society from oppressive restrictions imposed by authority on one's way of life, behavior, or political views."
@@slartybarfastb3648 I think that and the default aggression of the Marine Corps are what makes the Marines so effective on the battlefield. The military is no place for diversity and marines are recruited from prisons and lunatic asylums for bloodlust.
If you are making concessions, then concessions for all, you cannot pick and choose what is 'acceptable' for accommodating 'one' articles of faith. Similiarly, you cannot 'lower standards' to get a 'proper mix' to fit some arbitrary matrix.
Military uniform code shall not be infringed.
Man we need all we can get right now. Is he serious about his service to this country?? If so i want him on our team!
Their religion would not allow him to fight against his own people. If hes so true with his religion and the US happened to get into a war with them, he would not fight his own people.
Who knows, maybe thats the whole plan, maybe hes "infiltrated", maybe hes a spy.
Why so he can go fight Joe bidens enemies. What a waste
If he won't obey the rules, he can not be serious.
I agree with you on that. If this guy is on "our side" and serious about his service to our country, more power to him. I'd say he is, given the crap he had to go through to serve, as it seems! Also, it is factual that Sikhs, generally, are some of the fiercest fighters, to this day...
@@alhorn2664Marines dont obey rules to begin with, so thats not a factor.
The Sikhs as a group of people in general are a very brave and loyal people they have proven in battle with armies of UK, Canada and other countries of the British Commonwealth. Religion shouldn't the judge to determine a person's capabilities to be a police officer, soldier, marine or airmen, or sailor.
Is the turban kevlar?
No problem here. Accommodation is reasonable. Big fan of your channel
Sihks are hardcore warriors. It would be nice to have an entire brigade of them.
He's not just a PFC (I know that sounds weird) he appears to be a squad leader too.
He was a squad leader. I was in boot camp with him. Different company but I saw him on the depot all the time
Now hes forrest gump too
I was in when we were all “Green” and equally worthless. Semper Fi.
It's not a melting pot. It's a boiling cauldron of water and oil and they are not getting along.
Every one treated exactly the same. No special treatment period.
This is one of the most American episode ever on this channel!
Great video and a very interesting topic.
I don't have a problem with this Sikh being in the Marines with his articles of faith.
I am a retired/disabled U.S. Army Sergeant.
Sikh's and Gurka's are both excellent fighters. But the Gurka soldiers can be especially brutal fighters when the situation calls for it.
I had a physician who is a Sikh. Let me tell you Orlando Regional Medical Center and he 8 months in 2018 save my bacon life.😊