Dan is the guy at the office that is somehow competent at everything, and is exasperated because he saw the solution ahead of time but still had to watch everyone try the wrong solution first.
I wonder how many times the contractor has just recomended some commercial, homekit ready garage door opener. Because you gotta give apple some credit there, they can pull you into the cloud, but they sure forced those 'smart' home makers out of it.
to be honest he's probably the coolest and most patient contractor I've ever seen. and as someone that did electrical and home security systems I have met a lot of GCs
I really like Dan's humor. First he jokes about Linus' kids' lives being at risk due to a ceiling mounted projector, and now he's worried that if Linus dies, no one pays the bill and there'll be blood on the floor.
@@grn1 best bet is hydrogen peroxide because it's good at destroying cell membranes... I'd probably go with CLR to remove any stains that survived the hydrogen peroxide.
Tip for young players - extend all the contacts from the door openers to a location with safer access - this allows the testing and reconfig to be done while NOT on a ladder... it also allows the controller to be upgraded or replaced without having to move a car out of the garage and find a ladder...
Most of us don't have 20 foot high garages. I can use a step stool to get to my garage door opener, which I made "smart" with a $20 MyQ. Next one I install (I've done two) will have wifi and a battery backup.
@@Ufphen The low voltage installers probably use so much Cat6 that it makes more sense cost-wise to use it even with odd runs like this than stocking 2 conductor wire too.
My family has always opened garage door ourselves. I feel like people who buy garage door openers should be buying automatic door openers for their house too. . . . . . . PS. This is entire comment is really just a gaslight to make Linus install door openers on every door in his house. Pass it on.
We got a lot of Anthony's shows, and I hope we get some of Dan's show. If Linus Tech Tips team keeps growing, eventually Linus will get less screen time.
FYI, that sensor works best at the top of the door, where the door will move away from the door jam even when the garage door is open 1 inch. Also uses less wire and it away from anyone messing with it.
@@vrmadlab but then they can't sell your data to their customers. Smart devices are meant to collect behavioral data in aggregate to sell to corporate sales teams for marketing data.
@@CRneu Nope, tin snips are basically scissors on steroids for cutting sheet metal (previously/historically, rolled tin). End nippers/cross cut pliers are for flush cutting the end off small diameter nails, wires, rivets, and bolts.
As someone with photosensitivity, can I just thank the editors for the flashing lights warning and the "safe to return" sound. I've noticed it in recent videos and it makes watching so much easier. ❤ to the editing/post-prod team
1. Dropping magnets damages them and reduces their strength. 2. Use TWO sensors per door, so that you can have failsafe verification that the door is either fully open or fully closed. 3. You don’t have to put the sensors at the very bottom to ensure it’s closed, it moves with the door…. As long as it’s aligned when it’s closed, it’s aligned when it’s closed.
"For a light bulb I don't care" I can see linus regretting that when someone hacks his lights and makes his house go full rave mide in the middle of the night 🤣
2:45 The 10s light flash and beeping before closing is a UL “safety” requirement for “operation without line of sight” (i.e. via the internet) that manufacturers must implement in order to receive a UL listing for their openers.
It's so annoying. But even besides that I can't even use IFTTT to setup an automation for when I connect to my home wifi to open the garage it can only close it. Plus the voice commands when in a shared home don't work at all like there's 5 people in my house we all have cars we all use the garage door. Yet only my dad could use the voice commands everyone else we just get told "there's no devices in your home"
Correct, it's there to warm people that the door is about to close on their head especially when homeowners installing the things without proper safety sensor placement get involved.
Just add an ir sensor gate or door bottom bumper. That has been the way to close overhead garage doors safely commercially for decades. If the sensor trips then reverse to open. That adds costs so homes don't have them normally.
@@Ricko1Games That only works if UL makes an exception for that. From this specific perspective, I can't blame Chamberlain for that annoying safety feature.
As an electrical engineer who spends literally most of his life playing with sensors for production lines this video made me lol many times .... Also personally I use esp8266 devices flashed with tasmota for my home automation...or ZigBee devices flashed with tasmota.
I’ve flashed devices with tasmota, except mine was new enough to require hardware flashing since they started encrypting the stock firmware on some devices. Annoying but still fun.
I'd say he's more of a disappointed dad... as in he watches his kids do something stupid, shakes his head and just walks away in disbelief they are his.
@@HurdleHelps I'm not even old... ok, a little old, but a feel way older... but every time Dan lets out an exasperated sigh, I'm like, "Me too Dan... Me too." but I just can't stop watching.
Yeah. "Put it as close to the bottom as you can so it'll detect when it opens". No, the door moves as a whole, putting it a few inches up makes absolutely no difference 😄
Lol. Hey it's funny. It doesn't really matter where they place the sensors as long as they are aligned when the garage door is closed... but isn't this also a comedy video?
4:20 is the reason Dan is our favorite. It's just beautiful!! Hopefully he doesn't get fed up and leave as it's great for the lulz but can grind you down in the longer term...
Just wanted to say how nice it is that ltt added that really helpful seizure warning at 2:40 ish. Not many youtubers do it like that, and I really liked how it was done
You can absolutely set up Google Assistant with HA without the cloud and without needing to reauthorize. I've set it up using the instructions on HA Google Assistant page and it's been working perfectly for a few months now without any extra work. 🤷🏽
I just want to say that this series of videos where Linus is fixing up his home has been some of my favorite content lately and in regards to the channel over all. It is really cool how this series is highlighting a bunch of different people at LMG and the dynamic is super funny and fun to watch. it takes me back to the old Channel Super Fun days.
4:40 In this arrangement it wouldn't make any difference how far up or down the door the sensor was placed. A 6 inch displacement of the door is the same 6 inches if it's measured at the top of the bottom of the door.
I had the same thought at this point, also when he was trying to figure out the terminal to wire to, he could take some wire and jump the terminal instead of trying to activate the switch....
Correction: For the Google Assistant manual setup in Home Assistant, you do not need to re-authenticate every so often. It's one-and-done. It is true though that it's a pretty lengthy process, and will require Home Assistant (or at least the specific API endpoint provided by Home Assistant) to be publicly accessible through the internet.
For HomeKit Meros makes a pretty nice opener which essentially does the same thing as this one, but isn't ZWave (which makes this setup better I think). It also has a magnet sensor and has worked flawlessly.
The wires picking up radio is because the joint was a cold joint. This is a common issue, especially with unleaded solder. The trick is get the soldering iron real hot, flux up the joint before you make it.
so have I with tons of things like people will ask you for your opinion and then go with their own anyways. My grandma asked me what phone to get and I suggested her a relatively affordable one but nope, she chose the cheapest possible option and constantly complains about it.
4:41 No matter how high you put the sensor, as it is attached to the door it will moove with it and detect the slightest opening (hall effect sensor for people wondering). Putting the sensor higher could also reduce the likelyhood of a metallic object interfering when the door is open.
Love Watching these tech guys make simple projects waaaaay harder than they have to be (perfect example -the theater seating). It's amazing how a simple garage door controller became a soap opera of exaggerated steps.
For the old door opening and closing on its own, you should have installed a resistor between the two wires, say 20 kOhms, which to the EM waves making the voltages on the lines float between logic levels, is essentially a short.
That's stupid. If wires picking up interference is an issue, then just use shielded wires. How hard would it have been to just use a small stretch of CAT 7?
@@user-xu2pi6vx7o there's two ways around these issues. You can shield the wires, or make your system tolerant of interference. Shielding is never going to be 100% effective in a system. Twisting the pairs will also help, by turning the noise into common mode noise (loop area between the wires is a lot smaller, thus they see a lot closer to the same potential). But adding the resistor will kill the noise completely. Why is it stupid? Almost every IC you deal with has internal pull-up or pull-down resistors. It's the default solution to this problem, because a lot of the time you cannot shield the system (IE on a PCB).
@@benmodel5745 Hence the suggestion for CAT 7, which has twisted pairs, which are then twisted again around a central core, with shielding around each pair, secondary shielding around the entire cable and a steel wire on top of the secondary shielding, to act as a dedicated ground. I refuse to believe that remote was so sensitive, that even this amount of shielding wouldn't have fixed the issue. And it's stupid, because that should have been the first thing they tried, upon identifying interference as the problem. Especially since CAT 7 isn't some obscure piece of technology, known only to the most elite of tech gurus.
@@user-xu2pi6vx7o again, why make it resistant to interference when you can remove the problem completely. Would it have worked? Probably. But you're treating symptoms vs treating the root cause, which usually shows a lack of understanding of what the underlaying phenomena is. It's not like resistors are some elite technology either. There are cases where you need shielding, or guards (which is different), but in a low frequency, short run like this, there's no need, really.
I love Dan now that he has been on several videos we need more Dan. I love his dry sense of humor if that's what you want to call it. "I'm employed by this guy" And at least in this video it seems like he was the smart one in the group.
Hi! I'm doing my own garage door automation (mechanics is provided by widely used in Europe company Hörmann) based on own-made scripts for Raspberry PI - and actually I needed THREE contactrons: - one activated when garage door is fully closed - one activated when garage door is fully open - one, in a special position that garage door open to (like 1 meter above floor) when it meets an obstacle while closing the door With these three, I can always know what is the state of the door. If none of those three contactrons are active, it means that someone manually stopped the door inbetween - so next signal to the door mechanism will clarify the situation.
This is by far my favorite series LTT does. Probably followed by extreme tech upgrade. It's just fun to see how people utilize taking their actual life. This is like extreme tech upgrade but it's extreme whole house upgrade.
I hope this reaches the editing team but thank you so much for the audio warning when seizure triggers come on and when it's done. I wish more content creators would do this!
So With Zwave, secured devices like that opener, or door locks, they pair in a low power state, which means it normally has to be paired within range of the zwave controller(5-10 feet) after that they will communicate through the rest of the network with no issues.
I've used Z-Wave for more than a decade for all outlets, switches, garage door, AC etc. (about 100 devices) and compared to all the China made IoT junk running individual apps and being prone to cyber security issues, Z-Wave is a blessing.
@@sm-zt4ut I'm using HomeSeer V4 and yes, it's an outdated UI, but it's also very flexible allowing me to write scripts and do some advanced routines. I've used HomeSeer since I started using Z-Wave.
Horse hoof trimmers is actually what farriers use to trim the extra nails coming out of a newly shoed horse. At least that is what RUclips showed me! That is what I would call that snip thing too Linus. Excellent description!
I work for Chamberlain/LiftMaster. So, to be fair, the reason the Chamberlain/LiftMaster/Craftsman MyQ openers flash it's lights and beep while closing is for safety, it's saying "HEY IM CLOSING, GET OUT OF THE F***IN WAY" it's related to the UL325 standards set for the garage door opener industry back in 1993 to make them more secure and "safer". Also the wall control panels are serial encrypted so you can only use that brand of products for reasons like....people trying to tinker and use those operators for purposes the manufacturer wasn't intended for and so products not intended to be used with those operators can't be used. Had a guy use a jackshaft (side mounted opener) to operate a dumbbell waiter in his house and another using a garage door opener to operate a scissor lift for a motorcycle haha The older operators pre security + 2.0 (the yellow learn myq enabled units made 2011-present) are still dry contact so you can do the wonky and DIY stuff you all like to do. Just puttin' all that out there haha
I had to stop the video after the blinking/beeping comment to look for comments like this. Like, I get that you want the door to close immediately, but you probably don't want the lawsuit when somebody's working on it or standing under it when it shuts and hurts them, and that's what it's for. Hard to believe that Linus couldn't figure that one out on his own.
Why even bother selling motors then? Someone might attach a knife to it! "Someone might DIY something stupid" isn't a valid excuse for DRM and proprietary, less useful, crap. That sounds kind of like "Someone might use our not needlessly overengineered product and make it more useful for their purposes without paying us our cut".
@@grex2595 he did realize that but he’s intelligent enough not to close the garage door on top of someone else, and therefore doesn’t need that safety protection.
@@OKayD3N yes, because he didn't literally close the garage door on the last WAN show without checking the door while somebody was there who could have been hurt by it. Because the only time anybody closes a garage door through the cloud is when they're physically present to visually clear the door. The fact that you haven't considered those situations is exactly the reason they have to put the safety feature on.
I guess it was either this or having to rely on the monopoly that is the smart garage industry. You made it clear how much you don’t like having to rely on the cloud for interacting with your home.
Well... Having Google Assistant control his garage door just made it 'cloud'. Really... It should be excluded from voice control. None of the smart locks are controllable by voice for a reason. Dont know why they decided to make it voice controllable... If you go to the outside of his house and use a megaphone you can probably open his garage door. Lol
I've been using a sonoff SV & magnetic contacts for the past 2 years to smartify my dumb garage door. Never had a problem and always confused me that you've had such a rough time trying to do something similar.
ESP32 module + relay with kickback diode on momentary push button lead. It's a simple pull down resistor test. If you are close to your home, your phone will auto switch over to the local network. 30 minutes work. Create a webpage icon to the server. Second lead can use sonic distance detection for garage door open/closed. If you need outside home, then port forward through the DMZ to your ESP32 using a DNS hosting service. Your hall sensor also works well. You can also use something like Netgears home automation ports to work with google/alexa.
Standard window contacts work well on the trolley and opener track. That way, you don't need to wire all the way down to the floor. Magnet goes on the trolley, and the contacts go on the opener track. You can do one at the fully open position and fully closed position, and then you know if the door is in neither. You can also add a contact part-way from fully closed to add a stop for a vent position.
Dan : He pays our bills, sometimes.... Linus : Is that the only reason you don't want me to die? Dan : You would get blood on the floor zzz Dan has seen things I'm telling ya
Working as an Security technician it's fun to see something simple as a magnetsensor making you scratch your head. Simplest way is to mount the side with cable, connecting a multimeter (fluke) metering the resistance/ohm and just hold the "magnet" side close enough to get a 0,4ohm or something through the wires. opening the door should give a open circuit(infinite ohm)
I got the Meross garage door opener and it works very well. If it doesn't support your garage opener you just email them and they send you a garage door remote to pair and then you connect that to it. So it's pretty genius
Yeah, I know about the interference problem. Your are supposed to shield the wires by putting a metallic shield around it or twisting the wires together and connecting the two wires with a capacitor to reduce interference. Also I recommend 2.5 twists per inch for the wire. My teach who went to Cornell for electrical engineering did a study on that.
I have finished half of the Video and find myself really liking Dan, i think he will be a great Addition to your team, hope everything will work out and he is here to stay.
I love that the amount of man hours that have gone into doing this is so much more than it would take to manually open and close your garage door for the rest of your life.
I have my house running on Home Assistant and Google Home without HA Cloud and it does not have to be reauthorized every two weeks. You just have to get your OAuth2 configured correctly. Plus, I even have local fulfillment working so that the command goes directly from the Google Assistant device to Home Assistant over the LAN, with the Google Cloud pathway only used for backup.
Chamberlain is having a seizure right about now. I've been wanting to do this myself too, and it's crazy how smart home tech hasn't advanced far in-regards to houses equipped with garages.
It really has, these videos have to purely be for content. There's so many ways to retrofit old or new motors to work with a smart home. Yes Liftmaster pretty much has a monopoly but there's plenty of choices from them
4:42 I don't get why it had to be installed that low, it's a magnet detector, as long as the magnet is not in front of the detector, it will know the garage is open. He could have installed it higher imo
I haven't had to reauthroize the test app I've made for manually connecting google assistant in a while so I'd recommend going that option first. Though paying $5 to support the hass devs and having it auto configure it for you is probably worth it
Same here, Have had mine logged in for 2 years, never had to log in again. I do pay to support the devs, but don't use the subscription for anything except the google cloud voice service. my assistant is still setup trough the test app. I ve heard the Nabu casa way did go down a couple of times when there where AWS outages last year. My own domain stayed up so i did't experience any issues.
As much i love to see Linut tinkering around house, in same time it reminds me of past work as security technitian. Too much wireless tech in house is recipe for almost every day problems. I'm just happy with my "dumb" house.
My daily job is installing security systems and I’ve installed hundreds of these rail mount overhead door (OHD) contacts. So much stress watching the contact being installed.
lololol same. Imagine going into a customers house and sanding off a screw with sparks flying everywhere while trying to install a railmount sensor. I'll be honest though there have been times i've been tempted to do that.
The chamberlain has the flashing lights when you use the remote open/close as a safety feature in case someone is in the garage and your door sensors are broke. It’s a liability for them to not have it.
@@lcarsos again, it’s a liability solver to alert people in the garage it’s being closed remotely. It makes the lawyers happy so they can’t be sued. Don’t like it. Don’t buy it.
There is a company called meross they sell smart garage door opener for almost every brand. I had an old 94 craftsman, and it worked flawlessly for years . Recently, i installed myQ smart garage door opener but hated how long it took to open/close, so i, instead of the old mart grage door opener sensor with an additional circuit you need to connect to the new garage door opener. It worked flawlessly. Also, they have a wired door sensor with magnets, which is way more accurate than my q.
Dan is the guy at the office that is somehow competent at everything, and is exasperated because he saw the solution ahead of time but still had to watch everyone try the wrong solution first.
The wrong solution pays for his salary, so he needs to deal with the testing kkkkk
In this case the right solution is the wrong one till its time is due.
I'm sure he is way down the list but I really want to see Dan's extreme upgrade.
Yeah that's me. I feel his pain.
I love Dan, lol
I love it. The 2 reasons dan doesn’t want Linus to die “he pays our bills, and you’ll get blood all over the floor”
Gotta love worker's comp.
Well you can't fault his logic.
I always joke that it's a lot of paperwork if someone gets hurt
@@greywizard2557 He is from the Logistics team.
Little does Dan know, they can survive without Linus. He’s made sure that LMG will survive without him.
Linus to the contractor: “I know there is a better way to do it, but the viewers need me to do it this way”
I wonder how many times the contractor has just recomended some commercial, homekit ready garage door opener. Because you gotta give apple some credit there, they can pull you into the cloud, but they sure forced those 'smart' home makers out of it.
I want to buy James a Ridge Wallet because of how he said that last line 😂
to be honest he's probably the coolest and most patient contractor I've ever seen. and as someone that did electrical and home security systems I have met a lot of GCs
Linus to the contractor: "EGG FUCKIN SHELL"
@Don't Read My Profile Photo k, I wont
I really like Dan's humor. First he jokes about Linus' kids' lives being at risk due to a ceiling mounted projector, and now he's worried that if Linus dies, no one pays the bill and there'll be blood on the floor.
You ever had to clean blood off the floors.
@@grn1 your window to clean it up is the first 5 minutes or so, once it starts coagulating you're out of luck
@@lexistential Good to know. I wonder how effective the 7-up trick is (citrus plus fizz gives it some cleaning properties).
@@grn1 best bet is hydrogen peroxide because it's good at destroying cell membranes... I'd probably go with CLR to remove any stains that survived the hydrogen peroxide.
Tip for young players - extend all the contacts from the door openers to a location with safer access - this allows the testing and reconfig to be done while NOT on a ladder... it also allows the controller to be upgraded or replaced without having to move a car out of the garage and find a ladder...
also dont use Cat 6
Most of us don't have 20 foot high garages. I can use a step stool to get to my garage door opener, which I made "smart" with a $20 MyQ. Next one I install (I've done two) will have wifi and a battery backup.
@@Ufphen why not cat6? Or you're just saying go with cheaper cat5?
Exactly. The long cablerun should not be to the contact sensor but to the garage opener itself… So funny to see Laurel and Hardy at work 🤣
@@Ufphen The low voltage installers probably use so much Cat6 that it makes more sense cost-wise to use it even with odd runs like this than stocking 2 conductor wire too.
I like how a garage door is continuously stopping linus when he's done crazy things like a 16k monitor
Same reason why the Doctor's screwdriver doesn't work on wood doors, I suppose....
That's wat makes the difference between some random video project, and something that actually has to work reliably
nice my guy, you just gave him some content ideas :)
My family has always opened garage door ourselves. I feel like people who buy garage door openers should be buying automatic door openers for their house too.
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PS. This is entire comment is really just a gaslight to make Linus install door openers on every door in his house. Pass it on.
Because they don't actually find people who know what they're doing, they just pay Jake to Google and guess
Now that "Dan's here!" according to Linus, I expect an episode of the DAN Show soon.
We got a lot of Anthony's shows, and I hope we get some of Dan's show. If Linus Tech Tips team keeps growing, eventually Linus will get less screen time.
I love Dan.
"He pays our bills!"
"Is that the only reason you don't want me to die?"
"Uh, you'll also get blood all over the floor!"
He's a whole mood
Dan is a mad man 😂
*linus grinding down a screw
"I'm employed by this man"
Linus dangerously on a ladder
"he pays our bills"
Every time I hear him comment on things I hear that Simpson quote "I'm in danger :)"
The look on Dan's face as Linus stands on the ladder explaining his plan is the look of a man reevaluating the life choices that made Linus his boss.
FYI, that sensor works best at the top of the door, where the door will move away from the door jam even when the garage door is open 1 inch. Also uses less wire and it away from anyone messing with it.
Welcome back to another episode of “DIY Projects with Yvonne’s long lost son and his father”.
I can't wait to receive my "GIFT"
*Yvonnes boyfriend and his husband
@@smashslamer31 There are many interpretations out there. Mine and yours are two of them.
@@smashslamer31 Yvonne's two childrens 😂
And uncle Dan
"I'm _employed_ by this man."
If I had a nickel for every time that's probably been said at LMG headquarters....
I'd rather not have the cloud be able to open and close the garage door. But I would enjoy seeing the status of 'open' or 'closed'.
Mr. Geerling, with no replies?!
Yeah, offline smart home solutions should be more present on the market.
@@vrmadlab but then they can't sell your data to their customers. Smart devices are meant to collect behavioral data in aggregate to sell to corporate sales teams for marketing data.
@@avroarchitect1793 Yeah, but i rather would pay 2x as much in the setup than giving my personal data away
Jeff and Linus could make an excellent collab on home control...
Can we get a tour of Jake's home automation setup. He clearly knows Home Assistant very well.
This please! I need to see the config for the door controller and sensors, mine is giving me a headache.
I bet he doesn't actually have a home automation setup... yet.
I'd love how-to's on this stuff. I have no clue what all this programming stuff for HA is.
I literally exhaled when I saw Dan appear in the shot. Thank god there's an adult to save the day. 🤣
To anyone wondering what the name of the "horse hoof trimmer" Linus wanted, they are called an end nipper or a fret wire end nipper.
I think tin snips would also have been applicable.
I call it Kneifzange
@@darkchaosclanat So muss das
@@CRneu Nope, tin snips are basically scissors on steroids for cutting sheet metal (previously/historically, rolled tin). End nippers/cross cut pliers are for flush cutting the end off small diameter nails, wires, rivets, and bolts.
@@CRneu as a general term yeah, but tin snips are more like scissors on steroids
Dan is quickly becoming one of my favourites, hes a funny chap.
He also a striper provider. 10/10
The main thing that LTT has taught me over the years is, it is not necessarily or desirable for everything to be "smart"
As someone with photosensitivity,
can I just thank the editors for the flashing lights warning and the "safe to return" sound. I've noticed it in recent videos and it makes watching so much easier.
❤ to the editing/post-prod team
I don't have any photosensitive conditions but it's a really thoughtful edit, kudos to editors et al
*Linus’s house is slowly becoming the ultimate gaming pc*
I just find it funny that his house is no longer watercooled, but rather, water warmed.
Next up: water cooling my house
Dan always showing he's the smartest person there which is both saying a lot and not much at the same time
underrated comment!
yet whos the millionaire in the room? life is not fair
1. Dropping magnets damages them and reduces their strength.
2. Use TWO sensors per door, so that you can have failsafe verification that the door is either fully open or fully closed.
3. You don’t have to put the sensors at the very bottom to ensure it’s closed, it moves with the door…. As long as it’s aligned when it’s closed, it’s aligned when it’s closed.
3.-> I thought so too and it drives me crazy that they didn't notice 😅xd
Dan is quickly becoming a community favorite.
"What could go wrong" is the exact phrase you NEVER want to hear Linus say yet he says it FAR too often.
Spoiler: Everything goes wrong
It's more of a 'table of contents for vid' saying rather than a 'no issues whatsoever!'
"For a light bulb I don't care" I can see linus regretting that when someone hacks his lights and makes his house go full rave mide in the middle of the night 🤣
love this
If I remember correctly, there was news about someone pranking their friend in this way to warn the system is unsafe
2:45 The 10s light flash and beeping before closing is a UL “safety” requirement for “operation without line of sight” (i.e. via the internet) that manufacturers must implement in order to receive a UL listing for their openers.
Nobody likes it.
It's so annoying. But even besides that I can't even use IFTTT to setup an automation for when I connect to my home wifi to open the garage it can only close it. Plus the voice commands when in a shared home don't work at all like there's 5 people in my house we all have cars we all use the garage door. Yet only my dad could use the voice commands everyone else we just get told "there's no devices in your home"
Correct, it's there to warm people that the door is about to close on their head especially when homeowners installing the things without proper safety sensor placement get involved.
Just add an ir sensor gate or door bottom bumper. That has been the way to close overhead garage doors safely commercially for decades. If the sensor trips then reverse to open. That adds costs so homes don't have them normally.
@@Ricko1Games That only works if UL makes an exception for that. From this specific perspective, I can't blame Chamberlain for that annoying safety feature.
As an electrical engineer who spends literally most of his life playing with sensors for production lines this video made me lol many times .... Also personally I use esp8266 devices flashed with tasmota for my home automation...or ZigBee devices flashed with tasmota.
I’ve flashed devices with tasmota, except mine was new enough to require hardware flashing since they started encrypting the stock firmware on some devices. Annoying but still fun.
Why not ESPHome?
How many te have the sensors been faulty
I've flashed a few Sonoff devices with tasmota and they've been great. Easy to integrate with Home Assistant.
Use An Overhead door opener MYIQ
Soooooo, does Jake have a room yet?
Father and Son goals! 😂
"Dan's here" Dan is the dad of LTT now.
I'd say he's more of a disappointed dad... as in he watches his kids do something stupid, shakes his head and just walks away in disbelief they are his.
@@HurdleHelps I'm not even old... ok, a little old, but a feel way older... but every time Dan lets out an exasperated sigh, I'm like, "Me too Dan... Me too." but I just can't stop watching.
The way that sensor is designed, it could have been mounted anywhere along the rail.
Had been thinking the same thing.
Yeah. "Put it as close to the bottom as you can so it'll detect when it opens". No, the door moves as a whole, putting it a few inches up makes absolutely no difference 😄
I actually am loving the series…especially Dan saying dark stuff and linus spending so much time
With his son jake
I am so happy that Dan has so quickly become a part of so much content. He's so naturally funny holy shit! We all Stan the Dan
"Put the sensor right at the bottom so it will detect even if the door is open a little bit"
Think about that for a minute, Jake 😉
Lol. Hey it's funny.
It doesn't really matter where they place the sensors as long as they are aligned when the garage door is closed... but isn't this also a comedy video?
Exactly what I was thinking lol
Exactly… 😂
It is time for Jake to tell himself "That doesn't matter!"
I really think he said that to give Linus a hard time...
The second Jake said it, i was like "did he really just say that?".
I love how Jake doesn't care about the wiring for this, but did care for all of the media related setup. 😂
He really let Linus figure out how to "smartify" his garage door
The job was done from his end with the pre-testing, then it was just Linus to install it.
I’m having flashbacks to the LAST time he did this.
Can’t wait to see a video in two years about how it all went wrong. Lol.
i don´t think taht we will have to wait 2 hole years. i give it something like 6 moneths... mayby?
Dan is my new favorite. The passion and excitement in his voice really get me engaged and stoked to see what's in the newest LTT video.
Don't kill Dan he's the best
4:20 is the reason Dan is our favorite. It's just beautiful!!
Hopefully he doesn't get fed up and leave as it's great for the lulz but can grind you down in the longer term...
I bought a myQ for $27 and installed in 3 min.
Thank-you.
You are welcome! 👍
I now love Dan - "I'm employed by this man" - Dan the Man
Just wanted to say how nice it is that ltt added that really helpful seizure warning at 2:40 ish. Not many youtubers do it like that, and I really liked how it was done
Im loving the Dan appearances. He's a great foil to Linus and Jake. Moar pls
You can absolutely set up Google Assistant with HA without the cloud and without needing to reauthorize. I've set it up using the instructions on HA Google Assistant page and it's been working perfectly for a few months now without any extra work. 🤷🏽
I just want to say that this series of videos where Linus is fixing up his home has been some of my favorite content lately and in regards to the channel over all. It is really cool how this series is highlighting a bunch of different people at LMG and the dynamic is super funny and fun to watch. it takes me back to the old Channel Super Fun days.
4:40 In this arrangement it wouldn't make any difference how far up or down the door the sensor was placed. A 6 inch displacement of the door is the same 6 inches if it's measured at the top of the bottom of the door.
yup, and having it this far down would make it easy to cut the wire once it is open for a few inches
I had the same thought at this point, also when he was trying to figure out the terminal to wire to, he could take some wire and jump the terminal instead of trying to activate the switch....
Yep. 🤦♂️
@@karlobrutalo425 Cutting the wire wouldn't do anything because it would remain open all the time if cut. The magnet closes the circuit.
Dammit said the same exact thing without reading the comments. If it was a contact sensor sure.
4:40 Actually, placing the magnet anywhere yields the same result even if you wanted to know if the garage was open "even a little bit".
Would’ve saved a bit of cable running
@@vypGMD you right, but my argument doesn't concern cable length.
Lower sensor does help if something (like a skateboard) is in between the door the garage won't close on it
@@a3-radio Any sensor location will tell you that.
Correction: For the Google Assistant manual setup in Home Assistant, you do not need to re-authenticate every so often. It's one-and-done. It is true though that it's a pretty lengthy process, and will require Home Assistant (or at least the specific API endpoint provided by Home Assistant) to be publicly accessible through the internet.
thanks for the correction. for me this is a huge deal if i can or not host sth locally
You only have to re-auth it if you don't read the instructions fully and neglect to press publish button on the Google dev portal.
@@DrCoolHands Doesn't the publish step require a review by Google?
@@etekweb Nope, mine has been working for years without Google reviewing it.
This man is right! Please correct Jakes faulty statement. The manual process is long and complicated, but once you got it, you can forget it.
For HomeKit Meros makes a pretty nice opener which essentially does the same thing as this one, but isn't ZWave (which makes this setup better I think). It also has a magnet sensor and has worked flawlessly.
I just installed two of them yesterday for my garage doors. Went far smother than Linus’ install.
The wires picking up radio is because the joint was a cold joint. This is a common issue, especially with unleaded solder. The trick is get the soldering iron real hot, flux up the joint before you make it.
"While he's figuring out how to test it, I'm just going to yolo install it." Seems like a solid plan...lol
"HE pays our bills!" hahah best response.
"I told you to buy different ones"
I've said this more times than I can remember, honestly.
so have I with tons of things like people will ask you for your opinion and then go with their own anyways. My grandma asked me what phone to get and I suggested her a relatively affordable one but nope, she chose the cheapest possible option and constantly complains about it.
4:41 No matter how high you put the sensor, as it is attached to the door it will moove with it and detect the slightest opening (hall effect sensor for people wondering).
Putting the sensor higher could also reduce the likelyhood of a metallic object interfering when the door is open.
a reed switch would work too
@@cocotug0 indeed and could be more precise 🤔👌🏽
@@cocotug0 the door sensor they used is a reed switch
Yeah I would of placed it as high as it could go reduced wire run and things to break it off.
@@jordonscott6018 thanks 👌🏽
Love Watching these tech guys make simple projects waaaaay harder than they have to be (perfect example -the theater seating). It's amazing how a simple garage door controller became a soap opera of exaggerated steps.
My name is GreenBoy, and I approve this vlog
I love how even the editors are giving Linus a kick. Adding in " and Old" to the commentary
For the old door opening and closing on its own, you should have installed a resistor between the two wires, say 20 kOhms, which to the EM waves making the voltages on the lines float between logic levels, is essentially a short.
Yea just rub it in my face that I don't speak latin like you!
That's stupid.
If wires picking up interference is an issue, then just use shielded wires.
How hard would it have been to just use a small stretch of CAT 7?
@@user-xu2pi6vx7o there's two ways around these issues. You can shield the wires, or make your system tolerant of interference. Shielding is never going to be 100% effective in a system. Twisting the pairs will also help, by turning the noise into common mode noise (loop area between the wires is a lot smaller, thus they see a lot closer to the same potential). But adding the resistor will kill the noise completely.
Why is it stupid? Almost every IC you deal with has internal pull-up or pull-down resistors. It's the default solution to this problem, because a lot of the time you cannot shield the system (IE on a PCB).
@@benmodel5745 Hence the suggestion for CAT 7, which has twisted pairs, which are then twisted again around a central core, with shielding around each pair, secondary shielding around the entire cable and a steel wire on top of the secondary shielding, to act as a dedicated ground.
I refuse to believe that remote was so sensitive, that even this amount of shielding wouldn't have fixed the issue.
And it's stupid, because that should have been the first thing they tried, upon identifying interference as the problem. Especially since CAT 7 isn't some obscure piece of technology, known only to the most elite of tech gurus.
@@user-xu2pi6vx7o again, why make it resistant to interference when you can remove the problem completely. Would it have worked? Probably. But you're treating symptoms vs treating the root cause, which usually shows a lack of understanding of what the underlaying phenomena is. It's not like resistors are some elite technology either. There are cases where you need shielding, or guards (which is different), but in a low frequency, short run like this, there's no need, really.
I love Dan now that he has been on several videos we need more Dan. I love his dry sense of humor if that's what you want to call it. "I'm employed by this guy" And at least in this video it seems like he was the smart one in the group.
Hi! I'm doing my own garage door automation (mechanics is provided by widely used in Europe company Hörmann) based on own-made scripts for Raspberry PI - and actually I needed THREE contactrons:
- one activated when garage door is fully closed
- one activated when garage door is fully open
- one, in a special position that garage door open to (like 1 meter above floor) when it meets an obstacle while closing the door
With these three, I can always know what is the state of the door. If none of those three contactrons are active, it means that someone manually stopped the door inbetween - so next signal to the door mechanism will clarify the situation.
This is by far my favorite series LTT does. Probably followed by extreme tech upgrade. It's just fun to see how people utilize taking their actual life. This is like extreme tech upgrade but it's extreme whole house upgrade.
I hope this reaches the editing team but thank you so much for the audio warning when seizure triggers come on and when it's done. I wish more content creators would do this!
Dan's the man, more dan, and im gonna need a home improvement video every week for the rest of my life. these have been the best.
So With Zwave, secured devices like that opener, or door locks, they pair in a low power state, which means it normally has to be paired within range of the zwave controller(5-10 feet) after that they will communicate through the rest of the network with no issues.
I've used Z-Wave for more than a decade for all outlets, switches, garage door, AC etc. (about 100 devices) and compared to all the China made IoT junk running individual apps and being prone to cyber security issues, Z-Wave is a blessing.
@@ThinkingBetter what hub/software have you used?
I’ve heard homeseer has the best zwave implementation but their UI is very outdated.
@@sm-zt4ut I'm using HomeSeer V4 and yes, it's an outdated UI, but it's also very flexible allowing me to write scripts and do some advanced routines. I've used HomeSeer since I started using Z-Wave.
Horse hoof trimmers is actually what farriers use to trim the extra nails coming out of a newly shoed horse. At least that is what RUclips showed me! That is what I would call that snip thing too Linus. Excellent description!
I work for Chamberlain/LiftMaster. So, to be fair, the reason the Chamberlain/LiftMaster/Craftsman MyQ openers flash it's lights and beep while closing is for safety, it's saying "HEY IM CLOSING, GET OUT OF THE F***IN WAY" it's related to the UL325 standards set for the garage door opener industry back in 1993 to make them more secure and "safer". Also the wall control panels are serial encrypted so you can only use that brand of products for reasons like....people trying to tinker and use those operators for purposes the manufacturer wasn't intended for and so products not intended to be used with those operators can't be used. Had a guy use a jackshaft (side mounted opener) to operate a dumbbell waiter in his house and another using a garage door opener to operate a scissor lift for a motorcycle haha The older operators pre security + 2.0 (the yellow learn myq enabled units made 2011-present) are still dry contact so you can do the wonky and DIY stuff you all like to do. Just puttin' all that out there haha
I had to stop the video after the blinking/beeping comment to look for comments like this. Like, I get that you want the door to close immediately, but you probably don't want the lawsuit when somebody's working on it or standing under it when it shuts and hurts them, and that's what it's for. Hard to believe that Linus couldn't figure that one out on his own.
Why even bother selling motors then? Someone might attach a knife to it! "Someone might DIY something stupid" isn't a valid excuse for DRM and proprietary, less useful, crap. That sounds kind of like "Someone might use our not needlessly overengineered product and make it more useful for their purposes without paying us our cut".
@@grex2595 he did realize that but he’s intelligent enough not to close the garage door on top of someone else, and therefore doesn’t need that safety protection.
There are safety beams to protect.
@@OKayD3N yes, because he didn't literally close the garage door on the last WAN show without checking the door while somebody was there who could have been hurt by it. Because the only time anybody closes a garage door through the cloud is when they're physically present to visually clear the door. The fact that you haven't considered those situations is exactly the reason they have to put the safety feature on.
I guess it was either this or having to rely on the monopoly that is the smart garage industry. You made it clear how much you don’t like having to rely on the cloud for interacting with your home.
I completely agree. I don’t want any cloud based “security” in my house
@@dyyylllaannn I’m not saying Linus is wrong, I’m just saying he’s made his stance clear.
Well... Having Google Assistant control his garage door just made it 'cloud'. Really... It should be excluded from voice control. None of the smart locks are controllable by voice for a reason. Dont know why they decided to make it voice controllable... If you go to the outside of his house and use a megaphone you can probably open his garage door. Lol
or just having a normal garage
@@xFrozenxSnowx I’m pretty sure even Jake pointed that out.
I can't wait to hear about how this setup breaks on the LAN show 6 to 8 months from now!
Spoiler: It'll be because of a Home Assistant update and they'll have to redo everything from scratch.
I've been using a sonoff SV & magnetic contacts for the past 2 years to smartify my dumb garage door. Never had a problem and always confused me that you've had such a rough time trying to do something similar.
do you trust "text me ..."
ESP32 module + relay with kickback diode on momentary push button lead. It's a simple pull down resistor test. If you are close to your home, your phone will auto switch over to the local network. 30 minutes work. Create a webpage icon to the server. Second lead can use sonic distance detection for garage door open/closed. If you need outside home, then port forward through the DMZ to your ESP32 using a DNS hosting service. Your hall sensor also works well. You can also use something like Netgears home automation ports to work with google/alexa.
Standard window contacts work well on the trolley and opener track. That way, you don't need to wire all the way down to the floor. Magnet goes on the trolley, and the contacts go on the opener track. You can do one at the fully open position and fully closed position, and then you know if the door is in neither. You can also add a contact part-way from fully closed to add a stop for a vent position.
Dan : He pays our bills, sometimes....
Linus : Is that the only reason you don't want me to die?
Dan : You would get blood on the floor zzz
Dan has seen things I'm telling ya
Well blood is acidic so it would be nice of Linus to not bleed onto the concreate so it does not form pot marks.
He is great.
Man, Jake was such a good addition to LTT/LMG
It never realized how smart he was until the home series.
That coding thing he made, awesome
Watching Linus makes me feel smart and dumb at the same time
Working as an Security technician it's fun to see something simple as a magnetsensor making you scratch your head. Simplest way is to mount the side with cable, connecting a multimeter (fluke) metering the resistance/ohm and just hold the "magnet" side close enough to get a 0,4ohm or something through the wires. opening the door should give a open circuit(infinite ohm)
I got the Meross garage door opener and it works very well. If it doesn't support your garage opener you just email them and they send you a garage door remote to pair and then you connect that to it. So it's pretty genius
4:42 “Put is very close to the bottom so it’s detect even if the garage is just a little bit open“ it’s not like the whole garage thing moves xD
Low-key love Dan and his reactions🤣
Yeah, I know about the interference problem. Your are supposed to shield the wires by putting a metallic shield around it or twisting the wires together and connecting the two wires with a capacitor to reduce interference. Also I recommend 2.5 twists per inch for the wire. My teach who went to Cornell for electrical engineering did a study on that.
I have finished half of the Video and find myself really liking Dan, i think he will be a great Addition to your team, hope everything will work out and he is here to stay.
I love whenever Linus equips his screwdriver, he always does a little swirl 12:42
At least Linus is nice enough to provide his contractor entertainment for the day.
I love that the amount of man hours that have gone into doing this is so much more than it would take to manually open and close your garage door for the rest of your life.
Or just have a remote in your car with an encrypted signal.
I have my house running on Home Assistant and Google Home without HA Cloud and it does not have to be reauthorized every two weeks. You just have to get your OAuth2 configured correctly.
Plus, I even have local fulfillment working so that the command goes directly from the Google Assistant device to Home Assistant over the LAN, with the Google Cloud pathway only used for backup.
Mind sharing the local fulfillment bit?
That's also what I do!
How did you do the local fulfillment?
5:59 Dan "I'm employed by this man."
Dan is an absolute must have! He says everything your inner me would say with the best delivery and humor. Please...more Dan!!!
I love how Linus, who was just complaining about dying on the ladder, still finds the need to flip his LTT screwdriver...
Chamberlain is having a seizure right about now. I've been wanting to do this myself too, and it's crazy how smart home tech hasn't advanced far in-regards to houses equipped with garages.
It really has, these videos have to purely be for content. There's so many ways to retrofit old or new motors to work with a smart home. Yes Liftmaster pretty much has a monopoly but there's plenty of choices from them
Smarthome garage switch & sensors are easy easier than this video.
4:42 I don't get why it had to be installed that low, it's a magnet detector, as long as the magnet is not in front of the detector, it will know the garage is open. He could have installed it higher imo
yeah, that one was an unexpected brainfart
I haven't had to reauthroize the test app I've made for manually connecting google assistant in a while so I'd recommend going that option first. Though paying $5 to support the hass devs and having it auto configure it for you is probably worth it
Same, never had to re-authenticate my test app either.
Same here, Have had mine logged in for 2 years, never had to log in again. I do pay to support the devs, but don't use the subscription for anything except the google cloud voice service. my assistant is still setup trough the test app. I ve heard the Nabu casa way did go down a couple of times when there where AWS outages last year. My own domain stayed up so i did't experience any issues.
As much i love to see Linut tinkering around house, in same time it reminds me of past work as security technitian. Too much wireless tech in house is recipe for almost every day problems. I'm just happy with my "dumb" house.
My daily job is installing security systems and I’ve installed hundreds of these rail mount overhead door (OHD) contacts. So much stress watching the contact being installed.
It only got worse the the normally open and normally closed contacts part
Same. "Put it at the bottom so it knows it's open even if just a little!" 🙄🤦♂
They are bad at Googling how to do stuff
@@jacksongill8880 not suprised but still disappointed.
I'm an alarm tech and I am having a panic attack watching Linus and his team install those sensors.
lololol same. Imagine going into a customers house and sanding off a screw with sparks flying everywhere while trying to install a railmount sensor. I'll be honest though there have been times i've been tempted to do that.
Same as well. That garage sensor comes with a piece that slides into a slot on the sensor part and will tighten itself to the rail
Makes my brain hurt too.
Would you say you found this process quite... *alarming*
@@chrisc1140 lol
The way Dan said "I'm employed by this man" has me screaming!
This is exactly what my Nexx smart garage adapter does that I've had for like 5 years. So much easier than all these shenanigans
I like Dan. We have someone who finally brings steady common sense during DIY projects.
I like that Dan is the new Taran in that he just sees all of the problems that can go wrong but rolls with it, complaining the whole time. 😂
I'm legit concerned someone is gunna hack this house. EVERYTHING is automated.
he needs to hire a whitehat hacker. would be a nice video too
Content!
The chamberlain has the flashing lights when you use the remote open/close as a safety feature in case someone is in the garage and your door sensors are broke. It’s a liability for them to not have it.
@@lcarsos again, it’s a liability solver to alert people in the garage it’s being closed remotely. It makes the lawyers happy so they can’t be sued. Don’t like it. Don’t buy it.
@@ripgfa It's also required by US law (CPSC 16 CFR § 1211.14)
It really is the most inane complaint, 'my garage door warns people if I remotely close it'.
If I come home late and my garage beeps when I close the door and wakes everyone up, I'd be pissed.
I hope Jake is getting a massive bonus for all the work he's putting in here!
hope he buys a gym membership with that bonus
There is a company called meross they sell smart garage door opener for almost every brand. I had an old 94 craftsman, and it worked flawlessly for years . Recently, i installed myQ smart garage door opener but hated how long it took to open/close, so i, instead of the old mart grage door opener sensor with an additional circuit you need to connect to the new garage door opener. It worked flawlessly. Also, they have a wired door sensor with magnets, which is way more accurate than my q.