Hey Fench, as a german I have to say, props to you for keep driving on the right lane when its free - really appreciated. We have dedicated words for specific people on the road e.g. the rule for driving on the right lane: "Rechtsfahrgebot"). There are so many people always sleeping in the mid lane (german: "Mittelspurschleicher") - therefore I like the most driving at night, much less stressful imo. As always, thanks for sharing your content with us! Keep it up Fench.
Same rules also apply in other countries too. Like here in the UK, we use opposite lanes, but mid lane hogging is now an offence that will get you fines/license points. Always have to stay in slow lanes unless overtaking. Not many follow this rule though
A portion of your higher consumption is probably the car preheating for charging. Also it might be helpful to check the total difference in elevation between your endpoint and home. If to the shopping is slightly downhill overall versus slightly uphill on the way back. On my 2022 model 3 rwd the difference between ideal weather and cold weather is 20-30% maximum
Preheating could be the culprit it seems, another guy also mentioned it. I'll take a closer look next time to see if I can pinpoint exactly what it was, as that increased consumption seems incredibly high, even if the tires have a lot of wet roll resistance. 🙏
Yes, 20-30% is also my experience and also something someone calculated in a forum what i found long ago, of course depending on how much water is on the road. For me it was about 20% more with continuous wet road, but not much wet on 300km (100%-2%) with 140kmh Model Y with 19" 255 Michelin Crossclimate 2 (which are very efficient tires). Your sporty tires might have much more drag, especially in the rain. Also interesting: on 140kmh and wet road, my Y needed nearly nothing to precondition the Battery because it used the waste heat of the motors. Heat pump is more efficient, so it's always more efficient to drive slower, but the difference in efficiency drops a little bit to driving slow in summer. Also Tips for new Tesla Owner which i learned the hard way: Always navigate to charger and do not try to trick the car to not preheat (than it will preheat at the charger with also heating with the Motors because it's faster instead of just using the much more efficient Heatpump when there is enough time during the drive). Also don't deactivate the AC if you think about fast charging in summer and always precondition (and do not just open the windows with the app, thinking you save energy, It will use the heat energy in the cabin to put it in the Battery and 5-10min precooling nearly costs nothing if the Battery is not far over 30°C)
@@D00MINIK Appreciate the tips! Regarding the preconditioning, is it true that you can only schedule that? You can't just turn it on manually, say 10 minutes before you know you're going to leave?
Just a heads up incase you didn't know. When you click on a supercharger for information through the map, it sometimes displays if a certain charging stall is out of order so that when you arrive, you know not to use charger "1A" for example. Loving the content
1. Preconditioning 2. Tires - Pirelli P Zero are absolutely terrible and extremely loud. They have consumotion class of C and B (72db) for noise. By far the best tires for EV are Hankook ION EVO (summer) and ION I*CEPT (winter). ION EVO for TM3P have B class for consumptions (thats like up to 1kwh / 100km less) and A for noise (68db). Unfrotnsutely they have been sold out for a while, need to wait till spring
You are missing one key point elevation. When you have come to the place it was down hill that's why consumption is way low 85 wh/km. When you were leaving it was up hill and rain that's why it's 240 wh/h. So avg is (240+85)/2= 162 wh/km which is reasonable. Rain does affect but not 50% more like 10-20% regarding speed. Energy app are also helpful with various suggestions in the driving.
I would accept that, however, the total consumption for the entire trip was still 40% higher than the way over there. The beginning of the trip was also in elevation, driving mostly uphill, having a high consumption early on. Could of course have been a perfect storm of headwind, preconditioning, elevation etc. I will have to do a separate text next time we're getting some rain to be sure
@@MisterFench You are comparing One-way consumption to other way. Which doesn't make it accurate. Do the consumption comparison with the same distance and directions with rain and without rain to get accurate how much rain cost range or efficiency.
With my M3 Highland RWD, wind plays an important roll with regards to consumption. At 110 km/h with tailwind I would be averaging around 110 Wh/km. Headwind will result in a consumption of around 145 Wh/km. In the video you can clearly see tailwind on the stretch to Wolfsburg. On the return trip back you can see headwind.
@@MisterFench yes indeed they do. the highest consumption I have ever gotten was 275 Wh/km. But that was with 110 km/h driving on the Afsluitdijk in NL (a stretch of highway in the middle of 2 seas), fully loaded car, roof box and 2 electric bikes on the tow hook. And to top it off, headwind during a heavy wind warning. So basically the worst condition to drive in.
It’s probably best to use the button on the connector to stop the charging and unlock the port as this way you are charging to the very last moment before unplugging.
@@MisterFenchLittle addition to that: Do not click the button to stop and unlock the charger. Instead keep the button pressed and pull the cable out. Otherwise it will lock again most of the times. Also frustrated me in the beginning until I learned that 😊
@@TheDermax Haha, yes I learned that early on. Seems like it only gives you a couple seconds window to pull it out before it automatically locks again 😂
Thanks! I know right? Super odd it's so short. The extra wide design is because it's reserved for family parking. These spots are typically a bit wider which makes it easier for getting kids in/out of a car seat. It's very typical for parking spots here in Germany to have these kind of family spots, as well as 'Women's parking spot' which are always near a well-lit area and usually right when you come into a parking garage for better visibility /safety.
You need to get Enhance S3XY Knob. It has so many useful function which you could program including the ability to automatically engage Autopilot after you change lanes
@@Quixorion The auto engage AP after lange change would be incredibly useful! Seems like it's worth considering even just because of that. I don't think there's much else I need the buttons or knob for. I'm sure there are some practical features though. I'll take a closer look at it 👌
appreciate your videos really much! you answered my real world questions for the model 3 performance, i will definitely support you and will use your promo code when i will by my model 3 performance (also in white) next week!
@Hansspilz my friend, that would be incredible. You'd be the first one and I would appreciate it tremendously! The supercharger km I receive will go straight into supporting these videos 🙏
Regarding the reactivation of the autopilot after a lane change: I have enabled the "one click" feature and installed the commander from the "S3XY Buttons." There's a function that automatically reactivates the autopilot after a lane change, so I hit two birds with one stone. I've also noticed the significantly higher consumption in rain with my 2024 Performance. With my previous 2019 Standard Range, the difference wasn't as large. It would be interesting to know if 2024 non-performance drivers observe the same.
Those 20 inch wheels drain battery much faster than smaller wheels. Extra tyre width in the back raises consumption compared to other model 3 models. My consumption dropped 15% when I switched my model 3 performance to 18 inch wheels.
@@MisterFench I have the previous version of the model 3 performance. Only some 18 inch wheels will fit current and previous model 3 performance brake calibers. You can go square or staggered setup in both models. You have to test fit wheels or look for proof that somebody has installed on their car.
I'm pretty sure they deleted the function of pressing the speed-limit icon. It's now an on/off for the warning of exceeding speed limit. (At least in the EU). Car also can't be driven without fastening the seatbelt.. extremely annoying if you just want to move it a couple meters in the driveway
Interesting. Did you put on your Winter tires? If not, I dont want to know, how much the consumption would be with winter tires. Also would be interesting what rainy weather score the tires have...
I'm still on the summer tires! They're the Pirelli P ZERO 4. Supposedly a special edition made specifically for the new M3P. The increased consumption is crazy though.
I have the 2024 RWD with the LFP battery. I have seen an increase in consumption now the weather is cooling down here in the UK. However, I drove 22 miles in pouring rain on Saturday night when it was around 10c. To my surprise, I averaged 184Wh/mile (114Wh/km). So, I suppose the narrower 18 inch wheels, plus only one modestly powered motor, makes all the difference. But, I won't win many, if any, drag races in my RWD 🙂
114Wh/km 😯😯 Wow! That's pretty incredible. Even on my hypermiling run I only managed 122 😂. The RWD is plenty fast though! No need for more power than that, you're still faster than nearly every car out there!
Maybe the rain account for a bit it, but It's more likely from preconditioning as you did route a supercharger. Just so happened to be raining. Should be able to check what percentage of draw different things had in "drive" tab of the energy app
Would preconditioning take up such a considerable amount of consumption? Interesting! I'll definitely keep an eye on that on my next drive - thanks for the heads up!
Great video but it can’t just be the rain. Maybe a combination of winddirection as well as the car was prehearing the battery for charging at the way back which also costs energy…
Interesting how inefficient the Model 3 Performance becomes in the rain. My RWD Model 3, even without photon covers, seems unaffected even at 130-150 kph.
I think it may just come down to the 275 tire width, and 20 inch wheels - or maybe even the tire itself? Some tires provide better rolling resistance in the wet than others .. a +40% difference seems like a lot though.
Hey Mr. Fench! I'm looking into getting a Tesla, but a brand new one is frankly, kind of out of my budget. So I think I might be settling in for a second hand one. I'm looking for anything between 60 and 80k km. A video on choosing such a Tesla might be useful for many of us!
I appreciate the confidence in me, but I'm afraid that I'm no expert on the used car market, so my opinion would not be so valuable. I know there are a couple of things to be careful. Something with the suspension that gets worn out too quickly (due to EV weight and not strong enough parts on Tesla's side). I would rather recommend you check out some mechanics channels and see what they say :-) The only experience I have, is my BIL that drives a 2020/21, just had his inspection and it went through without issues. I believe he has around 60k km and hasn't had any sort of problems at all. Very happy with the car - still gets updates to the software that adds new features, even to his 👍
Have you gotten a chance to drive the awd long range? If so how does the comfort level compare? I know performance comes with adaptive dampers but that’s doesn’t really help much if the suspension is still stiff. I really want the speed of the performance but the comfort of the long range. Any thoughts?
I haven't had the chance the test them directly compared, I have however driven a couple thousand km in the long range AWD and it is a bit more comfortable. Seats have less sidehold, but are more comfy and the suspension is a little bit more comfortable. Not to the point that it's "very" noticeable, just ever so slightly. Primarily you're going to feel a change in the wheels. 18" vs 20" is going to make a significant difference, more so than the suspension I believe. The difference in performance is only negligible. The LR AWD is a VERY fast car too. I'm sure depending on battery percentages the Performance and LR would be almost identical once you get above 70 kmh. You definitely won't miss out on performance. Having spent several thousand km's time in both; the main difference between the two, comes down to the styling. If you like the more aggressive look, bigger wheels, sports seats - then go for the performance. Don't choose it only because it's the faster car, as the difference really isn't that big. If I had to choose a previous gen Model 3, I would go for the LR because the styling was literally the same as the Performance.
@@MisterFenchwhat about handling? Long Range seems to have not-so-grippy tires. Can you feel the big difference here? Maybe LR with 19” wheels is a sweet spot?
Extra consumption by rain is mostly due to the tires having to displace a lot of water. The same goes for ICE-cars, but adding 0,5-1liters per 100km dosn't show as much. But in absolute terms it is that exact same amount of energy needed. 1 liter of E95 gasoline contains roughly 9,5 kwh of energy. But in EV's this is much greater effect in percentage terms if consumption is increased by 9kwh/100km compared to 1liter per 100km increase. I've driven model 3 for 3 years. I find that highest consumption is at around 0 celcius with lot's of heavy wet snow on the roads. 0 celcius and heavy wet snow is worse for consumption than - 35 celcius and clear roads. (I live in Finland). my total AVG consumption for 3 full years is 16,0kwh/100km over 50 000km. In worst winter wet heavy snow conditions the consumption can be 23kwh/100km and in best summer weather with no winds and +22 you can go with less than 10kwh/100km.
16/100 long-term is really impressive considering the winter consumption! What Model 3 are you driving? Sounds like it's the Long Range based on the summer figures
@@MisterFench Ha, so it is probably what we have to expect from this car... Not great, but not terrible either. Winter concerns me in this regard. I'm also wondering if 19 inch wheels will improve efficiency, as that's the only other option for winter wheels, that tesla approves.
I'm afraid no information about the wind. It wasn't a very windy day though, at least not in the places we were outside. Wind could of course play a role, I agree.
Hmm.. I can't possibly imagine windshield wipers make a measurable difference. Traction control wasn't working either, we were just cruising, so no interference there. Primarily I guess resistance from wheels and as others have mentioned in the comments, preconditioning towards the charger maybe
“SEARCH LABS The 2024 Tesla Model 3 Performance has an EPA-estimated range of up to 363 miles on a single charge with 18-inch wheels. However, the actual range can vary depending on how the car is driven. For example, one reviewer noted that while the car can achieve 300 miles or more in normal driving, the range can be quickly reduced if the car's power is used to the fullest.”
This is strange, we've had here last 3-4 days with rain, doing about 50km a day and in about 190km of commute (around 60 kmh average) i didn't see any consumption increase that should be this high, If i've usually got around 170wh, it was now about 10% higher than regular consumption (about 187wh) but that could also be because the temps dropped even below 10 degrees in the mornings when i needed to drive the kids to school. Could also be the average speed of 60km vs about 100kmh of yours. Note - on my m3p i also have the aero caps off but for speeds under 100-110kmh shouldn't matter that much.
Interesting! Agree, I don't think Aero caps make so much of a difference at lower than 100 kmh speeds. However rain should also affect the rolling resistance even at lower speeds. I guess it depends on how heavy it rains? I definitely thought the increased consumption in my case seemed extreme, but I figured it's due to the wide tires. Would love to hear back if you ever run into some rain at higher speeds and if you experience similarly
The drive in the rain perfectly demonstrates how efficient electric cars are! Combustion engine cars, in a way, always operate at their maximum consumption, meaning they’re constantly ‘driving in the rain/winter,’ so to speak. Great videos, both in terms of content and quality, especially for such a new channel. The car looks absolutely stunning!
Good content. Congrats!🎉 Q from an upcoming owner: There have always been so much talk about the windscreen wipers. How bad they was/are. What's your take on it. Is it really so bad?? Thank you
Thanks mate! I have no issue with the wipers at all - at least not in terms of their effectiveness, they are perfectly fine and extremely quiet! Probably the most quiet wipers I've ever used. Besides a few error wipes in dry weather I have nothing to complain about 🙂 You also quickly get used to the wipers being on a button and not a stalk. So from my end; I can't say anything negative about them
thank you for the video I want to buy my first Tesla and would choose the Dual Motor Long Range if I could get the Seats and Suspension of the Performance Have you evaluated putting on 18” wheels and Hankook ION EVO AS tires on a Model 3 Performance I see stock wheels and tires Model 3 Performance can be sold for $4k
Suspension doesn't make that much of a difference to be honest. The LR AWD is very capable and sticks to the road like glue as well. I have not considered changing the wheels. I would love to try 18" tires, but apparently with the new brake setup, the smallest wheels that fit are 19". I'm waiting for the same forged 20" wheels to come available in 19". They are apparently available as 19" in China, but I guess waiting for CE certification before they can be sold abroad. I need some winter-tires, so these would be the wheels I'd choose for that. Until then I will have to wait and see what comes available, and hope it doesn't start snowing soon.
@@MisterFenchthank you for all that information, I was wondering about the upgraded breaks for wheel size in Northern california and wanted all season tires, the same size, to additional increase longevity (tire rotation) and reduced need for re-alignment (higher sidewall)
Yeah.. That's the downside of anything powered by a battery. An ICE will stay on the road for 50+ years if taken care of. I don't imagine anything electric still being driven after 15 years. It's just another expensive consumable like so many other things. Even if petrol cars can keep driving "indefinitely", they will also have lost nearly all their value after 10-15 years, so 🤷♂ I couldn't possibly imagine it costing less to drive the same distance? What are your energy and petrol prices?
@@MisterFench I live in rural France and fuel prices can vary from the lowest at a Supermarket to independent stations adding 20c/l. To fill the Clio costs about €50. It is a 2004 1.5 turbo diesel and is very efficient with about 900km range, though I have achieved over 1000km on long 5th gear trips. I recently performed a battery capacity test via service mode on the Tesla (Model 3 LR), which is how I found the degradation figure but as we mainly charge at home where we might use 60% of charge in a day, with maybe one or two partial supercharger charges in a year (Pau,Toulouse), overall range isn’t that much of an issue for us. 0-100%, as performed during the battery test, cost us about €18, with the max theoretical range showing as 509km, though generally the actual range is much less. Probably 300-350km as we live near the Pyrenees. So 3 full home charges at €18 = €54 for circa 900km vs 1 tank of diesel for about the same cost as three full charges and about the same range. We also have a Peugeot Rifter 1.5 turbo diesel which for €60 of diesel will travel about 1000km on a long journey. The convenience of a non EV for our longer journeys, cannot be overstated, as we never have to strategise about refuelling. In the Tesla, we always have to plan longer trips, very very carefully, as recharging in villages and towns is a massive pain 99% of the time. Time is a commodity and looking for electrical outlets, though it shouldn’t be a thing, still is and that eats into our leisure time.
@@didierpuzenat7280 partly agree. Electric cars are much more reactive to small changes in resistance. I've certainly never felt any considerable increase in my petrol consumption just because of rain. Maybe most 10-20%
@@MisterFench Probably because with a petrol car cost is averaged on the week, so people are not aware of the impact of the weather, the temperature, and even the speed. And if your petrol car is not as a sport car as a model 3 Performance maybe you drive slower with it when it's raining.
Hey Fench, as a german I have to say, props to you for keep driving on the right lane when its free - really appreciated. We have dedicated words for specific people on the road e.g. the rule for driving on the right lane: "Rechtsfahrgebot"). There are so many people always sleeping in the mid lane (german: "Mittelspurschleicher") - therefore I like the most driving at night, much less stressful imo. As always, thanks for sharing your content with us! Keep it up Fench.
Same rules also apply in other countries too. Like here in the UK, we use opposite lanes, but mid lane hogging is now an offence that will get you fines/license points. Always have to stay in slow lanes unless overtaking. Not many follow this rule though
Confirmed. Bigger tires, head wind, rain, winter, two motors, affects consumption in any car electric or not.
Not 47% though, that's too much, even for an electric car.
Its because of pre conditioning, sometimes it starts far away from supercharger
👍 Cheers, a few guys have said that. I'll test it next time I'm out!
definitely that
A portion of your higher consumption is probably the car preheating for charging.
Also it might be helpful to check the total difference in elevation between your endpoint and home. If to the shopping is slightly downhill overall versus slightly uphill on the way back.
On my 2022 model 3 rwd the difference between ideal weather and cold weather is 20-30% maximum
Preheating could be the culprit it seems, another guy also mentioned it. I'll take a closer look next time to see if I can pinpoint exactly what it was, as that increased consumption seems incredibly high, even if the tires have a lot of wet roll resistance. 🙏
Yes, 20-30% is also my experience and also something someone calculated in a forum what i found long ago, of course depending on how much water is on the road. For me it was about 20% more with continuous wet road, but not much wet on 300km (100%-2%) with 140kmh Model Y with 19" 255 Michelin Crossclimate 2 (which are very efficient tires). Your sporty tires might have much more drag, especially in the rain.
Also interesting: on 140kmh and wet road, my Y needed nearly nothing to precondition the Battery because it used the waste heat of the motors. Heat pump is more efficient, so it's always more efficient to drive slower, but the difference in efficiency drops a little bit to driving slow in summer.
Also Tips for new Tesla Owner which i learned the hard way:
Always navigate to charger and do not try to trick the car to not preheat (than it will preheat at the charger with also heating with the Motors because it's faster instead of just using the much more efficient Heatpump when there is enough time during the drive).
Also don't deactivate the AC if you think about fast charging in summer and always precondition (and do not just open the windows with the app, thinking you save energy, It will use the heat energy in the cabin to put it in the Battery and 5-10min precooling nearly costs nothing if the Battery is not far over 30°C)
@@D00MINIK Appreciate the tips! Regarding the preconditioning, is it true that you can only schedule that? You can't just turn it on manually, say 10 minutes before you know you're going to leave?
timelaspe is a brilliant idea. Keep up the good work!
🙂👍🙏
Just a heads up incase you didn't know. When you click on a supercharger for information through the map, it sometimes displays if a certain charging stall is out of order so that when you arrive, you know not to use charger "1A" for example. Loving the content
Thank you for the tip! I was not aware of that. I have actually been wondering why they didn't have somehting like that, but I guess they do 🙂
@@MisterFench all good
Love the style and voiceover of your videos.
Amazing videos. Thanks for the content!
@petr-skuta cheers mate🙏👍
1. Preconditioning
2. Tires - Pirelli P Zero are absolutely terrible and extremely loud. They have consumotion class of C and B (72db) for noise. By far the best tires for EV are Hankook ION EVO (summer) and ION I*CEPT (winter). ION EVO for TM3P have B class for consumptions (thats like up to 1kwh / 100km less) and A for noise (68db). Unfrotnsutely they have been sold out for a while, need to wait till spring
@Castorelo 72 vs 68 is a huge difference! Will definitely look into those once it's time to get new tires 👍🙏
You are missing one key point elevation. When you have come to the place it was down hill that's why consumption is way low 85 wh/km. When you were leaving it was up hill and rain that's why it's 240 wh/h. So avg is (240+85)/2= 162 wh/km which is reasonable. Rain does affect but not 50% more like 10-20% regarding speed. Energy app are also helpful with various suggestions in the driving.
I would accept that, however, the total consumption for the entire trip was still 40% higher than the way over there. The beginning of the trip was also in elevation, driving mostly uphill, having a high consumption early on. Could of course have been a perfect storm of headwind, preconditioning, elevation etc. I will have to do a separate text next time we're getting some rain to be sure
Is always more precise to measure consumption in a loop, there and back the same route. Then wind and elevation is mostly negligible.
@@MisterFench You are comparing One-way consumption to other way. Which doesn't make it accurate. Do the consumption comparison with the same distance and directions with rain and without rain to get accurate how much rain cost range or efficiency.
With my M3 Highland RWD, wind plays an important roll with regards to consumption. At 110 km/h with tailwind I would be averaging around 110 Wh/km. Headwind will result in a consumption of around 145 Wh/km. In the video you can clearly see tailwind on the stretch to Wolfsburg. On the return trip back you can see headwind.
@@tobyzitz woah, that's a big difference. I guess EVs react much stronger to changes in conditions than ICE
@@MisterFench yes indeed they do. the highest consumption I have ever gotten was 275 Wh/km. But that was with 110 km/h driving on the Afsluitdijk in NL (a stretch of highway in the middle of 2 seas), fully loaded car, roof box and 2 electric bikes on the tow hook. And to top it off, headwind during a heavy wind warning. So basically the worst condition to drive in.
@tobyzitz only thing missing would be some heavy hail 😅
Wipers, Lights and HVAC will consume Power, reduce wiper speed and divert Blower to windshield. And yes rain adds resistance
Wipers and lights, seriously ?
It’s probably best to use the button on the connector to stop the charging and unlock the port as this way you are charging to the very last moment before unplugging.
I'm too new to this it seems 🙂 I thought the button on the connector was only for opening the chargeport 😂 Thanks! Will do in the future ;)
@@MisterFenchLittle addition to that: Do not click the button to stop and unlock the charger. Instead keep the button pressed and pull the cable out. Otherwise it will lock again most of the times. Also frustrated me in the beginning until I learned that 😊
@@TheDermax Haha, yes I learned that early on. Seems like it only gives you a couple seconds window to pull it out before it automatically locks again 😂
Thay is an insane consumption difference. I've never experienced anything like it in the two EVs we have.
@@NorwayChallenge perhaps it's all down to the wide tires 🤔 what wheels do you have on yours?
Great video!! But that parking space stumped me. 🤔🤔. it’s extra wide to have room for the doors to open wide but not sure why it’s so short
Thanks! I know right? Super odd it's so short. The extra wide design is because it's reserved for family parking. These spots are typically a bit wider which makes it easier for getting kids in/out of a car seat. It's very typical for parking spots here in Germany to have these kind of family spots, as well as 'Women's parking spot' which are always near a well-lit area and usually right when you come into a parking garage for better visibility /safety.
You need to get Enhance S3XY Knob. It has so many useful function which you could program including the ability to automatically engage Autopilot after you change lanes
You could also simply get Commandor if you do not need the Knob but I highly recommend getting the S3XY Knob &/ the S3XY Button
@@Quixorion The auto engage AP after lange change would be incredibly useful! Seems like it's worth considering even just because of that. I don't think there's much else I need the buttons or knob for. I'm sure there are some practical features though. I'll take a closer look at it 👌
appreciate your videos really much! you answered my real world questions for the model 3 performance, i will definitely support you and will use your promo code when i will by my model 3 performance (also in white) next week!
@Hansspilz my friend, that would be incredible. You'd be the first one and I would appreciate it tremendously! The supercharger km I receive will go straight into supporting these videos 🙏
Regarding the reactivation of the autopilot after a lane change: I have enabled the "one click" feature and installed the commander from the "S3XY Buttons." There's a function that automatically reactivates the autopilot after a lane change, so I hit two birds with one stone.
I've also noticed the significantly higher consumption in rain with my 2024 Performance. With my previous 2019 Standard Range, the difference wasn't as large. It would be interesting to know if 2024 non-performance drivers observe the same.
Those 20 inch wheels drain battery much faster than smaller wheels. Extra tyre width in the back raises consumption compared to other model 3 models. My consumption dropped 15% when I switched my model 3 performance to 18 inch wheels.
@@Warrantti that's quite the saving! How did you fit the 18" on? It's my understanding the brakes are too big for 18"?
@@MisterFench I have the previous version of the model 3 performance. Only some 18 inch wheels will fit current and previous model 3 performance brake calibers. You can go square or staggered setup in both models. You have to test fit wheels or look for proof that somebody has installed on their car.
@@Warrantti 👍👍
Also, before engaging cruise control just tap on the speed limit icoan and then turn on CC so it will speed up the vehicle to the limit.
I'm pretty sure they deleted the function of pressing the speed-limit icon. It's now an on/off for the warning of exceeding speed limit. (At least in the EU). Car also can't be driven without fastening the seatbelt.. extremely annoying if you just want to move it a couple meters in the driveway
Interesting. Did you put on your Winter tires? If not, I dont want to know, how much the consumption would be with winter tires.
Also would be interesting what rainy weather score the tires have...
I'm still on the summer tires! They're the Pirelli P ZERO 4. Supposedly a special edition made specifically for the new M3P. The increased consumption is crazy though.
I have the 2024 RWD with the LFP battery. I have seen an increase in consumption now the weather is cooling down here in the UK.
However, I drove 22 miles in pouring rain on Saturday night when it was around 10c. To my surprise, I averaged 184Wh/mile (114Wh/km).
So, I suppose the narrower 18 inch wheels, plus only one modestly powered motor, makes all the difference. But, I won't win many, if any, drag races in my RWD 🙂
114Wh/km 😯😯 Wow! That's pretty incredible. Even on my hypermiling run I only managed 122 😂. The RWD is plenty fast though! No need for more power than that, you're still faster than nearly every car out there!
Maybe the rain account for a bit it, but It's more likely from preconditioning as you did route a supercharger. Just so happened to be raining. Should be able to check what percentage of draw different things had in "drive" tab of the energy app
Would preconditioning take up such a considerable amount of consumption? Interesting! I'll definitely keep an eye on that on my next drive - thanks for the heads up!
Great video but it can’t just be the rain. Maybe a combination of winddirection as well as the car was prehearing the battery for charging at the way back which also costs energy…
Interesting how inefficient the Model 3 Performance becomes in the rain. My RWD Model 3, even without photon covers, seems unaffected even at 130-150 kph.
I think it may just come down to the 275 tire width, and 20 inch wheels - or maybe even the tire itself? Some tires provide better rolling resistance in the wet than others .. a +40% difference seems like a lot though.
@@MisterFench Yeah and I am using the stock Michelin E-primacy tyres which are specially made for EVs
You might have driven uphill on the way back aswell. That’s making a huge impact aswell.
Hey Mr. Fench! I'm looking into getting a Tesla, but a brand new one is frankly, kind of out of my budget. So I think I might be settling in for a second hand one. I'm looking for anything between 60 and 80k km. A video on choosing such a Tesla might be useful for many of us!
I appreciate the confidence in me, but I'm afraid that I'm no expert on the used car market, so my opinion would not be so valuable. I know there are a couple of things to be careful. Something with the suspension that gets worn out too quickly (due to EV weight and not strong enough parts on Tesla's side). I would rather recommend you check out some mechanics channels and see what they say :-) The only experience I have, is my BIL that drives a 2020/21, just had his inspection and it went through without issues. I believe he has around 60k km and hasn't had any sort of problems at all. Very happy with the car - still gets updates to the software that adds new features, even to his 👍
@@MisterFench Your input is much appreciated, Mr. Fench
Have you gotten a chance to drive the awd long range?
If so how does the comfort level compare?
I know performance comes with adaptive dampers but that’s doesn’t really help much if the suspension is still stiff.
I really want the speed of the performance but the comfort of the long range. Any thoughts?
I haven't had the chance the test them directly compared, I have however driven a couple thousand km in the long range AWD and it is a bit more comfortable.
Seats have less sidehold, but are more comfy and the suspension is a little bit more comfortable. Not to the point that it's "very" noticeable, just ever so slightly. Primarily you're going to feel a change in the wheels. 18" vs 20" is going to make a significant difference, more so than the suspension I believe.
The difference in performance is only negligible.
The LR AWD is a VERY fast car too. I'm sure depending on battery percentages the Performance and LR would be almost identical once you get above 70 kmh. You definitely won't miss out on performance.
Having spent several thousand km's time in both; the main difference between the two, comes down to the styling. If you like the more aggressive look, bigger wheels, sports seats - then go for the performance. Don't choose it only because it's the faster car, as the difference really isn't that big. If I had to choose a previous gen Model 3, I would go for the LR because the styling was literally the same as the Performance.
@@MisterFenchwhat about handling? Long Range seems to have not-so-grippy tires. Can you feel the big difference here? Maybe LR with 19” wheels is a sweet spot?
@marcinkoseski1256 I've only driven the LR with 19" so I can't speak of the 18" setup. The 19" are very grippy and the car handles really well 👌
Head Wind ,Rain ,bigger wheels is all a key factor in all vehicles not just EV’s ,Get the Long Range AWD with 18” Aero covers and thank me later.
Nice video 🎉
Love Teslas, been thinking to buy the refreshed model Y when it comes out but it's not practical when you live in a country where you can drive fast.
@_amatose agreed. I also chose the Model 3 because of better aero efficiency. The Model Y is a lot more practical though!
Extra consumption by rain is mostly due to the tires having to displace a lot of water. The same goes for ICE-cars, but adding 0,5-1liters per 100km dosn't show as much. But in absolute terms it is that exact same amount of energy needed. 1 liter of E95 gasoline contains roughly 9,5 kwh of energy. But in EV's this is much greater effect in percentage terms if consumption is increased by 9kwh/100km compared to 1liter per 100km increase. I've driven model 3 for 3 years. I find that highest consumption is at around 0 celcius with lot's of heavy wet snow on the roads. 0 celcius and heavy wet snow is worse for consumption than - 35 celcius and clear roads. (I live in Finland). my total AVG consumption for 3 full years is 16,0kwh/100km over 50 000km. In worst winter wet heavy snow conditions the consumption can be 23kwh/100km and in best summer weather with no winds and +22 you can go with less than 10kwh/100km.
16/100 long-term is really impressive considering the winter consumption! What Model 3 are you driving? Sounds like it's the Long Range based on the summer figures
@@MisterFench What is Your consumption Fench? Mine in 2024 M3P is at around 18,6 from past 3500km.
@@tymatama that's pretty much spot on with my own consumption! I think it was at 186wh/km last time I checked over 4k km
@tymatama I just checked, and it's exactly 188 after my last acceleration video, which goes online later today 😉
@@MisterFench Ha, so it is probably what we have to expect from this car... Not great, but not terrible either. Winter concerns me in this regard. I'm also wondering if 19 inch wheels will improve efficiency, as that's the only other option for winter wheels, that tesla approves.
do you have any info about the direction of the wind?
I'm afraid no information about the wind. It wasn't a very windy day though, at least not in the places we were outside. Wind could of course play a role, I agree.
@@MisterFench l ride electric 2-wheels..
when the wind is blowing too hard in my face,
l almost ride backwards
@domnuspike4913 haha yeah I know it from riding a bike too. Headwind can be a killer!
I dont get why consumption is more. Windshield wipers, more traction control, wheel resistance against a wet road maybe?
Hmm.. I can't possibly imagine windshield wipers make a measurable difference. Traction control wasn't working either, we were just cruising, so no interference there. Primarily I guess resistance from wheels and as others have mentioned in the comments, preconditioning towards the charger maybe
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The 2024 Tesla Model 3 Performance has an EPA-estimated range of up to 363 miles on a single charge with 18-inch wheels.
However, the actual range can vary depending on how the car is driven. For example, one reviewer noted that while the car can achieve 300 miles or more in normal driving, the range can be quickly reduced if the car's power is used to the fullest.”
This is strange, we've had here last 3-4 days with rain, doing about 50km a day and in about 190km of commute (around 60 kmh average) i didn't see any consumption increase that should be this high, If i've usually got around 170wh, it was now about 10% higher than regular consumption (about 187wh) but that could also be because the temps dropped even below 10 degrees in the mornings when i needed to drive the kids to school.
Could also be the average speed of 60km vs about 100kmh of yours.
Note - on my m3p i also have the aero caps off but for speeds under 100-110kmh shouldn't matter that much.
Interesting! Agree, I don't think Aero caps make so much of a difference at lower than 100 kmh speeds. However rain should also affect the rolling resistance even at lower speeds. I guess it depends on how heavy it rains? I definitely thought the increased consumption in my case seemed extreme, but I figured it's due to the wide tires. Would love to hear back if you ever run into some rain at higher speeds and if you experience similarly
@@MisterFench yep, for sure! Keep up the good work!
The drive in the rain perfectly demonstrates how efficient electric cars are! Combustion engine cars, in a way, always operate at their maximum consumption, meaning they’re constantly ‘driving in the rain/winter,’ so to speak.
Great videos, both in terms of content and quality, especially for such a new channel. The car looks absolutely stunning!
@tesla-rossa that's also a good way to put it! Thanks a lot for your kind words 👍
Air resistance higher,because air weight higher with rain and roll resistnce.
Good content. Congrats!🎉
Q from an upcoming owner: There have always been so much talk about the windscreen wipers. How bad they was/are.
What's your take on it. Is it really so bad?? Thank you
Thanks mate! I have no issue with the wipers at all - at least not in terms of their effectiveness, they are perfectly fine and extremely quiet! Probably the most quiet wipers I've ever used. Besides a few error wipes in dry weather I have nothing to complain about 🙂 You also quickly get used to the wipers being on a button and not a stalk. So from my end; I can't say anything negative about them
@@MisterFench Great to hear. Much appreciated. Keep up your good work 😊
Lovely video! Question though; UK accent living in Germany??
thank you for the video
I want to buy my first Tesla and would choose the Dual Motor Long Range if I could get the Seats and Suspension of the Performance
Have you evaluated putting on 18” wheels and Hankook ION EVO AS tires on a Model 3 Performance
I see stock wheels and tires Model 3 Performance can be sold for $4k
Suspension doesn't make that much of a difference to be honest. The LR AWD is very capable and sticks to the road like glue as well. I have not considered changing the wheels. I would love to try 18" tires, but apparently with the new brake setup, the smallest wheels that fit are 19".
I'm waiting for the same forged 20" wheels to come available in 19". They are apparently available as 19" in China, but I guess waiting for CE certification before they can be sold abroad. I need some winter-tires, so these would be the wheels I'd choose for that. Until then I will have to wait and see what comes available, and hope it doesn't start snowing soon.
@@MisterFenchthank you for all that information, I was wondering about the upgraded breaks for wheel size
in Northern california and wanted all season tires, the same size, to additional increase longevity (tire rotation) and reduced need for re-alignment (higher sidewall)
Not always. There’s more to it.
Maybe you were declining on your way to shop and inclining on your way back
My 2021 Model 3 LR has lost 11% battery capacity.
My 2004 Clio still has a 50l tank and costs less to drive the same distance than the Tesla.
Yeah.. That's the downside of anything powered by a battery. An ICE will stay on the road for 50+ years if taken care of. I don't imagine anything electric still being driven after 15 years. It's just another expensive consumable like so many other things. Even if petrol cars can keep driving "indefinitely", they will also have lost nearly all their value after 10-15 years, so 🤷♂
I couldn't possibly imagine it costing less to drive the same distance? What are your energy and petrol prices?
@@MisterFench I live in rural France and fuel prices can vary from the lowest at a Supermarket to independent stations adding 20c/l. To fill the Clio costs about €50. It is a 2004 1.5 turbo diesel and is very efficient with about 900km range, though I have achieved over 1000km on long 5th gear trips.
I recently performed a battery capacity test via service mode on the Tesla (Model 3 LR), which is how I found the degradation figure but as we mainly charge at home where we might use 60% of charge in a day, with maybe one or two partial supercharger charges in a year (Pau,Toulouse), overall range isn’t that much of an issue for us. 0-100%, as performed during the battery test, cost us about €18, with the max theoretical range showing as 509km, though generally the actual range is much less. Probably 300-350km as we live near the Pyrenees.
So 3 full home charges at €18 = €54 for circa 900km vs 1 tank of diesel for about the same cost as three full charges and about the same range.
We also have a Peugeot Rifter 1.5 turbo diesel which for €60 of diesel will travel about 1000km on a long journey.
The convenience of a non EV for our longer journeys, cannot be overstated, as we never have to strategise about refuelling. In the Tesla, we always have to plan longer trips, very very carefully, as recharging in villages and towns is a massive pain 99% of the time. Time is a commodity and looking for electrical outlets, though it shouldn’t be a thing, still is and that eats into our leisure time.
Using the wipers surprisingly consumes a lot a battery
It as nothing to do with Teslas, it is just physics, for all cars including ICE cars.
@@didierpuzenat7280 partly agree. Electric cars are much more reactive to small changes in resistance. I've certainly never felt any considerable increase in my petrol consumption just because of rain. Maybe most 10-20%
@@MisterFench Probably because with a petrol car cost is averaged on the week, so people are not aware of the impact of the weather, the temperature, and even the speed. And if your petrol car is not as a sport car as a model 3 Performance maybe you drive slower with it when it's raining.
Not to mention I guess your petrol car does not have so large tires, but then the correct sentence is "sport cars consumption is higher when raining".
@@didierpuzenat7280 valid point! Perhaps somewith with an ICE car on 20 inch 275 wide wheels can chip in 🙂
Nonsense