The writing on the box reads: Starting at top line: "Fraction Number____" "Mass of gunpower "falcon" 2.2" "Shot charge mass 35" "capsule-Igniter 'Centroboy" "Average maximum pressure 65 MPa (633)" "Vendor Code"
WOW! I remember when I was teenager in Russia in early 90s I had one of those spent cases from somewhere and we used it as a slide (bottleneck) to play blues-slide style tunes on guitar, finger fits inside and it is long enough to go over whole width of guitar stock.
lol, being a guitar player myself, I immediatly thought of using it as a slide when I saw those spent shotgun shells at the end of this video. 👍 Cheers from Brazil!
When I was younger, In Ukraine. I remember every year before hunting season when the adults would start the reloading process. Everything reloaded by hand. Those were exciting times because you know the next morning you will be up early :) We used these exact same shells over and over every year.
@@CHMichael It wasn't about frugalness or recycling. Live ammunition could be purchased in the USSR. All of the components were provided by the state, but you had to do it yourself. I imagine reloading was still a major activity during the early days of the Russian Federation as well. Fun (or not so fun) fact: Smoothbore shotguns were the only firearms that the average, peasant, proletariat or member of the intelligentsia could legally obtain. You had a choice of single barrel, double barrel (sxs and o/u), bolt or semi-auto shotguns. Unsurprisingly, like most of Europe, o/u was the most popular among Soviet hunters. Namely the IZh-27 and TOZ-34, though others existed.
@@dwi2921 "Under no pretext shall arms and ammunition be surrendered. Any attempt to disarm the workers should be disrupted, by force if necessary" -Karl Marx. Whoops! NKVD thought otherwise, apparently.
@@satagaming9144 Yeah but here is the thing about Marx. He's irrelevant. His works were pretty much all pure nonsense, he was a lawyer, a part of Imperal Germany's intelligentsia. Regular working class people (not to say that intellectual labor is not important) could never have risen to that level. He was literally out of touch with the majority of the working class. It shows in his works. Labor Theory of Value being a prime example. So much so that almost no political party in history follows the concepts of Classical Marxism. They still to this day go about rehashing and revising. Marx's works are ultimately an unworkable dead end. It's not surprising that support for arming the working class (both before and maintaining the policy after revolution) evaporated. It's inconvenient for party leadership. I say this as a leftist gun owner. Never trust someone claiming to be a Marxist.
@@dwi2921 I'd say that classical Marxism served a purpose, as a distinct entity it was something of a dead end in and of itself, though his writings did serve to popularize certain aspects of Leftist thought (Utopian Socialists before him just weren't getting it done, I'm sorry), and ultimately forming something of the founding basis, even if just as a starting point, for Leninism, definitely a historical impact there. That's the other thing. Sure, classical Marxism is a purely impracticable ideal, but the historical impact is definitely there. Marxism isn't irrelevant. It changed history, and its uselessness actually helped it do so. In trying to create a "Marxist" society, you wound up creating something much worse for all involved, but there's no arguing the USSR wasn't historically significant. The issue with classical Marxism is that it is only useful as a means to an end. To Marx, in his delusion, this end was a classless egalitarian society, to everyone else, it was to power and repressive dictatorship. Lenin saw that a revolution needed a leader, Stalin saw that power was pretty fun. However, popularizing the idea of a more egalitarian society, growing the socialist tree, definitely had an impact, even if the philosophy is, on its face, kinda dumb. I mean, to me, no matter how useless something is, if it changes history, if people believe it, it's important. Ironically, a philosophy of purely academic interest is a very Bourgeois thing to come up with. I actually included that Marx quote to allude to the point you wound up making, and point out the irony that the USSR, PRC, and other countries which claim a Marxist lineage don't really follow any classical Marxist thought, because it's unfollowable. It quickly became about authoritarianism and control, not a legitimate attempt to construct a new type of society.
The beauty of these cartridges is that they can be equipped over and over again. All you need is primers, gunpowder, shot, buckshot or a bullet to choose from. Wads can be made out of paper, and at the end everything can be filled with paraffin from a candle.
You can also stick a magnet to a lot of modern Federal and Winchester 12 ga. “brass”. It even rusts in the rain these days, they just don’t make brass like they used to.
Most modern shotshells have a brass plated steel base. It's cheaper to use than brass. I'd say it's better for modern firearms that have extractors like pumps and semis especially with the higher power loads we have these days. Also it doesn't get brittle and fracture with age like brass does so shelf life is improved
@@Everythingallthetime666 you had such great potential with the comment.... next time go a little harder like you mean it and finish strong with something like WOLVERINES.... I know dude the best thing about all of this.... the numbers are a straight lie dosnt matter what it's about.... because every thing they say is also a lie.... your not alone there are millions of us and they are terrified. all we're doing is making fun of them... they can't even say my body my choice anymore...
Just caught the end of the live stream and im still chuckling at Berm-It the Frog at the trigger. I'll watch the full thing when its posted! Thanks guys
Oh wow! An Iowa-class reference! *points at my Username* Ex Missouri sailor here. I got to witness the guns firing from above decks only once in the 2 1/2 years I lived on the ship, and it was just for a gunnery training exercise. The observation area was 5 decks (stories) up, and exactly in the middle of the ship. NOTHING in this world can prepare you for that concussion and muzzle flash! The concussion threatened to knock the Mickey Mouse Ears (over-ear hearing protection) right off my head, and the muzzle flash felt like instant sunburn. Double hearing protection was required at the viewing, foam in-ear plugs plus the over-ear muffs. 660 POUNDS of powder per shell! Let that sink in heh. I'll love that Old Girl until the day I die, an incredible ship made by true Craftsmen showing their art.
Cool story! I grew up near the Missouri Lead belt. I have heard there is a giant silver Seal of the State of Missouri on that ship. The silver came from the lead mines in the lead belt. That is if you can believe Paul Harvey and I think you can. ruclips.net/video/6HhdkkdsvTM/видео.html Lead is one of those things not made in the US anymore. .
I remember reading somewhere that the Nelson-class battleships had to restrict their firing arcs because the pressure from the muzzeblasts would break windows on the bridge and give bridge crew vision red-outs from the pressure against their eyes. And those 16" guns weren't nearly as hot as the 16"/50 we were using on the Iowa class!
@@macoppy6571 Not infinite, and not many unless you can find a source for Berdan primers. Even under best conditions, eventually the primer pockets will get loose after ??? number of firings. But that # will still be WAY more than a brass case! Long before then the copper wash will have worn off and rust will become the major issue...
0:29 Approximate translation Cartridges for hunting Fraction number #0000 ( = Buckshot #T) Weight of gunpowder "Sokol" (=name of the bird falcon) = 2,2 grams Lead weight = 35 grams Type of primer "Tsentero-boi" (strike on center) Average maximum pressure 65 KPa
I'm not a rocket scientist but I have a feeling there would be more than atmospheric pressure in a shotgun shell firing. 100kpa/14.7psi is average air pressure at sea level at ambient temperature.
In 1982 we had a once-in-a-lifetime flood here in the Ozarks that totally submerged downtown, and the next week a buddy and I found CASES of ammo of all sorts discarded at our county dump. Talk about mixed results shooting it! Some worked fine, some were completely dead, some made a 'put' noise and the rounds bounced into the grass twenty feet in front of the muzzle, and some of them popped but the charge never cleared the muzzle, leaving us to ramrod them clear. Your test of that old Russki ammo reminded me very much of that long-past, frustrating, and bitter-sweet experience.
Liked the Kermit the frog impersonation. Hopefully he has other voice impressions in his catalog and he can give officer Gregg a run for his comedy money.
Berdan primers just suck. I have some actual brass shells from the 70's which of course takes Berdan primers and I have only slightly better luck with new primers...
Yeah, I took a small drill and made a hole to pry them out. I'll drill out the hulls to fit boxer primers in them and see how they work with new powder, etc. Just a lot more fuss dealing with these and the all brass hulls because they have different, larger ID's and gas seals have a really sloppy fit.
Maybe you could reload them with fresh primers and powder, roughly equivalent to how they would have been loaded back in the day, just to see how they should fire?
Ответстие можно разсверлить под современный капсюль, а так капсюль тонким сверлом выбивают, прибор барклай используют у нас. Латунные гильзы уже как дань истории, но многие охотники до сих пор их используют, так как патрон можно собрать на коленке, вместо пыжей используют кору берез и опилки
Man hearing Mike say vintage really makes me feel old 🤣 I was born in 81 and I'm 40 and vintage isn't a word I wanna hear yet for something from 92 lol.
I lived in the Czech Republic for ten years and my cleaning lady was Russian, great woman, I still send her cash today, she deserved it, but her teeth were all steel. Unnerving, but that's Eastern Europe for ya👍🇺🇸❤️🇨🇿
Jeff and Mike - Interesting video - the old Russian steel cased surplus ammo from the 70s and even earlier were packed in those oversized sardine cans - that stuff shoots very well. No doubt the lack of that sealing and packaging had something to do with the misfires and hangfires. I didn't notice any seal around the primers like on 7.62x54R and 7.62x39 ammo. But thanks to you, anyone having those old Russian shotshells can know what to expect. Probably best to keep those as collectible shells, ya think?? A great fall season to you, Steve
I have some of these that I bought back in the 90s. They shot fine for me about 25 years ago when in bought them. Never tried in and auto loader. They worked fine in a single shot. Maybe in another 30 years I will try a few and see if they go off then. Thanks for the cool video!
a friend of mine bought a whole brick of the steel case .22 made in Russia and had a 90% dud rate in the first two boxes. I asked him if he would sell them to me to put in my collection and he said "if your gun can set them off you can have them" I loaded them up in my 9 shot H&R 922 from around 1920 and every one went off then I picked up the duds and fired about 70 out of 90.....free .22s
That does make me wonder: Given plastic shotgun shells have been known to warp in magazines, would these solve that problem if they were newly manufactured with modern primers and powder?
You might be able to have a machine shop or a good gunsmith rebore the hulls to accept modern 209 style primers. With a steel hull, those should be infinitely reloadable.
@@bullzebub the cork plug brought up visions of Elmer Fudd or something, lol. 3d Printed maybe, and wax could work. Neither would be optimal, since they will be time consuming to reload. The original cap would be so much more efficient to use.
@@NoTimeForThatNow They make standard plastic caps for hydraulic bores for delivery of new parts. It wouldn't be difficult to just buy the correct size "off the shelf" as it were. All you'd have to do is glue them in with a water-tight glue.
I have been recently hunting with some American made boxer primed paper shotgun shells from the 40s. They all still kick like a mule are loud and seem to be getting the job done well. That is about 75 rounds worth so far. I do have one box in another gauge that all seem bad. I tried 3 out of the box of 25 and none went off. I don't know if it's just bad primers or if the powder would also be bad but i really think it's all in how you store it. I have became a firm believer in good ammo cans with silica packs in them. Good video as always and welcome new guy!
According to Lars @ YT channel Survival Russia (I think you follow him), these steel casings are the common thing that the "Old Timers" reload over there, so I hope you saved the empties to do some comparison videos in the future. The farmer class people over there ain't got no fancy crimpin' tools to use, so a steel can with a plug in the end to hold it all together is what they went with. The different results with Russian slugs in roll crimped plastic casings VS traditionally reloaded Russian steel casings would be really interesting, to me, anyway. I think that single or double barreled shotties were usually used, again, according to Lars. Maybe some of your Russian fans can hook you up with the wads, spacers and end seals that you would require. I'm not sure what type of primers he used when he reloaded in his video. Another good one guys, great work!
@@mckenziekeith7434 I only know what I learned from Survival Russia channel, but to me it makes sense, because shotgun powders are slower burning and lower pressure than pistol powders and the powder really makes up a smaller amount of the volume of the shotgun cartridge. Most of the case is filled with wads and shot cups and the actual shot or slug. Just the bottom bit has powder in it. Many centerfire cartridges are fire formed to the chamber dimensions and only the neck needs resizing each time they are reloaded to hold the bullet in place. Shot shells don't have a press fit of the projectile holding it all together, instead a crimp is used, on a plastic shell or, in the case of steel, that plastic cup stuck in the end. I think it should work, but I've never done it myself.
I wrote a similar comment and just seen you're comment man it really does open you're eye's. I'm born in 81 and hearing stuff from the 90's considered vintage makes me feel old.
Just one note on hangfire, I was loading some.38 rimfire over last Christmas. Took some hundred year old ammo and pulled the bullets and powder. Tried a couple brass as just primers for curiosity. One shell I waited 30 seconds and extracted it like normal then the shell in my hand sparked inside as I looked at it. I wouldn't have believed it unless I saw it. I am glad a heck I pulled the bullet and primer 1st.
Почему ты так решил, все пробивает, надо только капсюля смотреть хорошо, да и их перезаряжать каждый год, или под жавелло переделывать, да и заводские есть.
Центробой не лучший капсюль, да ещё и на сокол. Я подкладывал пару зёрен дымаря для лучшего воспламенения сокола. Е ещё центробой быстро портится и очень капризен при посадке в гнездо, а здесь 7 лет и без лака на капсюле. Словом 1992 год, развал и бардак.
@@ВладимирМихайлович-ш2г Так переделанные. Я не хочу этого делать.Пусть будет оригинал. Тем более разработал зяряд на дымаре, люди не верили что такое возможно.
Тимофей Малиев всё-таки лучше переделать на жавелло, евро капсюль, надёжней, тем более не сложно, дымный порох это уже прошлое и не удобно да и для ствола вредно.
I've had.full brass 12 ga shells from Vietnam and Korean wars and they shoot perfect . In fact you use to be able to buy new shotgun full length brass for the reloader person. I personally love full brass loads. Especially if it's military buckshot !
Due to pandemic, lack of resources and crises in some parts of the world has made lots of people jobless and the financial status of some family aren't okay & this leading to increase in crime rate in our society.
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That's like the results I get from some surplus 7.62x54r Russian ammo. The thing about my ammo though is I can just half cycle the bolt and then they all have fired. I've never had a misfire or hang fire from them. I have been watching Battleship New Jersey videos for a long time. Ryan is a good host, he's very knowledgeable.
Thats funny. Im living in one of former Soviet Republics, and never seen a steel shell in 12g. All cases for smoothbore firearms, sold here, are made of brass. Im right now looking onto one of them, lying on my table. Made in 1991, with same logo(btw, i believe this markings means not a berdan primer, but instead this is a logo of a plant, which made this shell), but its 100% brass. Moreover, i believe this shell made for export only, because soviet standard "GOST 7921-86" allows producing only shell with 65 and 70 mm length. And all 76 mm shells here are plastic only. Also box markings are saying: Shot number 0000 (5mm) Mass of "Sokol" (most used in former USSR smokeless gunpowder) gunpowder -2.2grams Shot mass 35grams Primer "Centroboy"(berdan type primer for shotguns brass shells ) Average maximum pressure 65MPA cartridge.
It's crazy when I put it into perspective that 2005 was 30 years after the Vietnam war. And now ammo from 1992 is almost 30 years from when I was in. Like you said where does the time go? That ammo is pretty unique like a lot of things we get from Russia I guess. Thank you for another unique video.
They came on the market around 1982. They were cheap and shot good out of a single and sideXside. They came in "T" and "TTT" and like a #4 shot. I think I still got three or four box's of the #4's around here. They had a steel case 410 that was nice in #4 and 6 pellet 000buck. Still got some of them as well.
Neither of those shotguns gives a very firm primer hit compared to a Russian Baikal or TOZ shotgun. Sure, the strike is enough for an American primer but those old Russian primers were a different thing. Once you hit a primer lightly it tends to break up the primer pellet and then the odds of setting the primer off get even worse.
The writing on the box reads:
Starting at top line:
"Fraction Number____"
"Mass of gunpower "falcon" 2.2"
"Shot charge mass 35"
"capsule-Igniter 'Centroboy"
"Average maximum pressure 65 MPa (633)"
"Vendor Code"
thanks
Centroboy means Center hit - Center fire
Small addendum: both weights (2.2 gunpowder and 35 shot) are in grams, and max.pressure is 663 (not 633) in kgf/cm^2.
@@konstantinavilov1192 Thanks!!
Last string - "ТУ СЦ 15-39" - technical conditions (specification / production standard) number SC15, 1939 edition.
WOW! I remember when I was teenager in Russia in early 90s I had one of those spent cases from somewhere and we used it as a slide (bottleneck) to play blues-slide style tunes on guitar, finger fits inside and it is long enough to go over whole width of guitar stock.
lol, being a guitar player myself, I immediatly thought of using it as a slide when I saw those spent shotgun shells at the end of this video. 👍
Cheers from Brazil!
i had a couple that my grandfather fired that i used for the same purpose, guess some things just work!
That's actually a good idea. Brass works well for that, due to having low friction. They do look cool, too.
I use glass but I bet the metal casing would make some interesting sounds, especially on acoustic guitar.
Здорова земляк.
When I was younger, In Ukraine. I remember every year before hunting season when the adults would start the reloading process. Everything reloaded by hand. Those were exciting times because you know the next morning you will be up early :) We used these exact same shells over and over every year.
That actually makes sense - go recycling
@@CHMichael
It wasn't about frugalness or recycling. Live ammunition could be purchased in the USSR. All of the components were provided by the state, but you had to do it yourself. I imagine reloading was still a major activity during the early days of the Russian Federation as well.
Fun (or not so fun) fact: Smoothbore shotguns were the only firearms that the average, peasant, proletariat or member of the intelligentsia could legally obtain. You had a choice of single barrel, double barrel (sxs and o/u), bolt or semi-auto shotguns. Unsurprisingly, like most of Europe, o/u was the most popular among Soviet hunters. Namely the IZh-27 and TOZ-34, though others existed.
@@dwi2921 "Under no pretext shall arms and ammunition be surrendered. Any attempt to disarm the workers should be disrupted, by force if necessary"
-Karl Marx. Whoops! NKVD thought otherwise, apparently.
@@satagaming9144
Yeah but here is the thing about Marx. He's irrelevant. His works were pretty much all pure nonsense, he was a lawyer, a part of Imperal Germany's intelligentsia. Regular working class people (not to say that intellectual labor is not important) could never have risen to that level. He was literally out of touch with the majority of the working class. It shows in his works. Labor Theory of Value being a prime example.
So much so that almost no political party in history follows the concepts of Classical Marxism. They still to this day go about rehashing and revising. Marx's works are ultimately an unworkable dead end. It's not surprising that support for arming the working class (both before and maintaining the policy after revolution) evaporated. It's inconvenient for party leadership.
I say this as a leftist gun owner. Never trust someone claiming to be a Marxist.
@@dwi2921 I'd say that classical Marxism served a purpose, as a distinct entity it was something of a dead end in and of itself, though his writings did serve to popularize certain aspects of Leftist thought (Utopian Socialists before him just weren't getting it done, I'm sorry), and ultimately forming something of the founding basis, even if just as a starting point, for Leninism, definitely a historical impact there. That's the other thing. Sure, classical Marxism is a purely impracticable ideal, but the historical impact is definitely there.
Marxism isn't irrelevant. It changed history, and its uselessness actually helped it do so. In trying to create a "Marxist" society, you wound up creating something much worse for all involved, but there's no arguing the USSR wasn't historically significant.
The issue with classical Marxism is that it is only useful as a means to an end. To Marx, in his delusion, this end was a classless egalitarian society, to everyone else, it was to power and repressive dictatorship. Lenin saw that a revolution needed a leader, Stalin saw that power was pretty fun. However, popularizing the idea of a more egalitarian society, growing the socialist tree, definitely had an impact, even if the philosophy is, on its face, kinda dumb. I mean, to me, no matter how useless something is, if it changes history, if people believe it, it's important.
Ironically, a philosophy of purely academic interest is a very Bourgeois thing to come up with.
I actually included that Marx quote to allude to the point you wound up making, and point out the irony that the USSR, PRC, and other countries which claim a Marxist lineage don't really follow any classical Marxist thought, because it's unfollowable. It quickly became about authoritarianism and control, not a legitimate attempt to construct a new type of society.
The beauty of these cartridges is that they can be equipped over and over again. All you need is primers, gunpowder, shot, buckshot or a bullet to choose from. Wads can be made out of paper, and at the end everything can be filled with paraffin from a candle.
You can also stick a magnet to a lot of modern Federal and Winchester 12 ga. “brass”. It even rusts in the rain these days, they just don’t make brass like they used to.
They were rusting in the mid 90s. Duck hunting in louisiana exposes rust prone equipment.
That comment was my dessert for the night... hell I bet that brass is better than the steel cases we have now 😆
Most modern shotshells have a brass plated steel base. It's cheaper to use than brass. I'd say it's better for modern firearms that have extractors like pumps and semis especially with the higher power loads we have these days.
Also it doesn't get brittle and fracture with age like brass does so shelf life is improved
@@Everythingallthetime666 you had such great potential with the comment.... next time go a little harder like you mean it and finish strong with something like WOLVERINES.... I know dude the best thing about all of this.... the numbers are a straight lie dosnt matter what it's about.... because every thing they say is also a lie.... your not alone there are millions of us and they are terrified. all we're doing is making fun of them... they can't even say my body my choice anymore...
@@brettscott3759 lmao
The Kermit was a nice touch. Hope Danny is doing well, let him know he is in our prayers.
🥺 what's up with Danny?
Cancer. The only way to take out old Eagle Eye.
@@peterjohnson9438 So sorry to hear that.
Just caught the end of the live stream and im still chuckling at Berm-It the Frog at the trigger.
I'll watch the full thing when its posted!
Thanks guys
Live stream???
@@scrappydoo7887 Yeah, it was a live stream.
@@tony66au lol thanks captain obvious 😂 was it on this channel on RUclips or some other platform? I didn't get notified and can't find it
Oh wow! An Iowa-class reference! *points at my Username* Ex Missouri sailor here.
I got to witness the guns firing from above decks only once in the 2 1/2 years I lived on the ship, and it was just for a gunnery training exercise. The observation area was 5 decks (stories) up, and exactly in the middle of the ship.
NOTHING in this world can prepare you for that concussion and muzzle flash! The concussion threatened to knock the Mickey Mouse Ears (over-ear hearing protection) right off my head, and the muzzle flash felt like instant sunburn. Double hearing protection was required at the viewing, foam in-ear plugs plus the over-ear muffs.
660 POUNDS of powder per shell! Let that sink in heh.
I'll love that Old Girl until the day I die, an incredible ship made by true Craftsmen showing their art.
Shit, that sounds pretty mind-boggling.
That's really cool, you are literally a piece of history 👍
Cool story!
I grew up near the Missouri Lead belt.
I have heard there is a giant silver Seal of the State of Missouri on that ship.
The silver came from the lead mines in the lead belt.
That is if you can believe Paul Harvey and I think you can.
ruclips.net/video/6HhdkkdsvTM/видео.html
Lead is one of those things not made in the US anymore.
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I remember reading somewhere that the Nelson-class battleships had to restrict their firing arcs because the pressure from the muzzeblasts would break windows on the bridge and give bridge crew vision red-outs from the pressure against their eyes. And those 16" guns weren't nearly as hot as the 16"/50 we were using on the Iowa class!
The Battleship New Jersey Museum channel is amazing. Kudos to the curator for going the extra mile.
“Made in Russia” was a good indication of post 1991 manufacture.
Haven’t gotten to the Kermit yet. Can’t wait
Yep, and anything made in the soviet days would have had the price printed on it at the factory
Either before 1917 or after 1991...
@@markotark wrecker
I still have a box of Russian Golden Bear .410 ammo. It's a brass plated steel cased ammo.
It's not that old.
@@markotark before 1922. Soviet union didn't exist in 1917.
You’re going to reload these, right?
The Ammo Channel did a tutorial on reloading Berdan primers.
Dat Kermit, doh
I really wonder how these do in a 12ga From Hell
Steel cases that don't get crimped, these could be reloaded _infinite_ number of times?
@@macoppy6571 Not infinite, and not many unless you can find a source for Berdan primers. Even under best conditions, eventually the primer pockets will get loose after ??? number of firings. But that # will still be WAY more than a brass case! Long before then the copper wash will have worn off and rust will become the major issue...
What happened to AC? Hasn't posted in years.
@@taofledermaus I do Not Know Jeff . I replied just to make you Happy . Thank you for the test , nice to see the results .
No such thing as failure, every day is a good day at the range with Jeff & Co!
Man’s Kermit impression is on point
I'm honored 😂
@@mikesmetalworks8712 What is green and smells like pork?
You mean Canadian accent?
@@jayoballes3547 that too
@@alexandertoshich765 it's like bacon lol
Thanks for making me me feel old Jeff. I remember 1992. So I guess maybe I'm vintage.
It's the year I graduated, seriously feels like last week.
I remember someone I knew crying in 1992.
He'd just got 9 As and 1 B in his GCSE exams, and wasn't at all happy about not getting straight As.
(It wasn't me. I didn't get 9 As and Bs combined.)
At least you aren't antique yet
@@taofledermaus Just a classic, so far.
Thank you Thor. I'd have never got to see this otherwise.
You're welcome. But Jeff did all the work.
Another excellent video Jeff, really appreciate the time and effort you take to make quality entertaining content. Keep em coming!
thanks Dan
0:29
Approximate translation
Cartridges for hunting
Fraction number #0000 ( = Buckshot #T)
Weight of gunpowder "Sokol" (=name of the bird falcon) = 2,2 grams
Lead weight = 35 grams
Type of primer "Tsentero-boi" (strike on center)
Average maximum pressure 65 KPa
I'm not a rocket scientist but I have a feeling there would be more than atmospheric pressure in a shotgun shell firing. 100kpa/14.7psi is average air pressure at sea level at ambient temperature.
@@KirkHermary Yes it's 65MPa or 663 kg/cm2 (9,400 PSI)
@@Phoenix88. nice, thanks for the clarification. I'm guessing the OP meant mpa but kpa was just a typo 🤔
thank you!
In 1982 we had a once-in-a-lifetime flood here in the Ozarks that totally submerged downtown, and the next week a buddy and I found CASES of ammo of all sorts discarded at our county dump. Talk about mixed results shooting it! Some worked fine, some were completely dead, some made a 'put' noise and the rounds bounced into the grass twenty feet in front of the muzzle, and some of them popped but the charge never cleared the muzzle, leaving us to ramrod them clear. Your test of that old Russki ammo reminded me very much of that long-past, frustrating, and bitter-sweet experience.
Liked the Kermit the frog impersonation. Hopefully he has other voice impressions in his catalog and he can give officer Gregg a run for his comedy money.
Miss piggy cheated so it's bacon for breakfast
He was doing his Jordan Peterson impersonation.
Give me a bit to warm up to the camera and you might see a few more 🤣
@@bashkillszombies I'm going to have to work on that
@@davidbuchanan1461 wait till you see the products I make that will be coming available!
you HAVE TO HEAR WHAT A FIRED ONE SOUNDS LIKE WHEN PUMPED FROM A PUMP ITS AMAZING. THE RING AS IT FLYS THROUGH THE AIR OMG
My 458winmag has a nice ring too.. sounds like artillery shells.
I'm guessing the steel cases sound similar?
So we meet again. Hey Jeff, do you want a dozen large business printer powder cartridges to shoot? Might be cool to see the colors explode.
Just don't breathe it in
Put some canvas up on the sides like demo and call it art.
@@samaelsandalphon5600 great point.
Toner spills are considered a hazmat spill and require cleanup, particularly in California.
@@life_with_bernie well that sucks. Anyone want to buy some unopened ink toner for large HP office printers?
Love the sound of a empty shell hitting the ground. 👍👍🇺🇸
Love how the shells look ... great content!
Berdan primers just suck. I have some actual brass shells from the 70's which of course takes Berdan primers and I have only slightly better luck with new primers...
Yeah, I took a small drill and made a hole to pry them out. I'll drill out the hulls to fit boxer primers in them and see how they work with new powder, etc. Just a lot more fuss dealing with these and the all brass hulls because they have different, larger ID's and gas seals have a really sloppy fit.
Copper washed steel casings should be fun in warm weather
why not?
or are you afraid you're going to burn your hand
@@User-dc6sm the copper wash might leave bits in the breach
@@JasonW. The shotgun will be fine, its a shotgun
Thanks for the screenshot of BB class'. 1992 was a good year for me! 🍻
Maybe you could reload them with fresh primers and powder, roughly equivalent to how they would have been loaded back in the day, just to see how they should fire?
Berdan primer shells can't be reloaded...well not normally anyway.
@@SuperUncleRyan Steel case means anything is game. Can get rid of the the old primers and insert new ones with some modifications.
Berdan primed cases are reloaded quite often. Just a couple of additional steps.
Ответстие можно разсверлить под современный капсюль, а так капсюль тонким сверлом выбивают, прибор барклай используют у нас. Латунные гильзы уже как дань истории, но многие охотники до сих пор их используют, так как патрон можно собрать на коленке, вместо пыжей используют кору берез и опилки
Thanks for dropping them. I needed to hear that.
In the future, the episodes with Mike in them, should open with "Ma Na Ma Na" playing on the soundtrack.
Man hearing Mike say vintage really makes me feel old 🤣 I was born in 81 and I'm 40 and vintage isn't a word I wanna hear yet for something from 92 lol.
It's all down hill from there! ;-D
I can’t wait to see the reloads Jeff makes using these shells.
I lived in the Czech Republic for ten years and my cleaning lady was Russian, great woman, I still send her cash today, she deserved it, but her teeth were all steel. Unnerving, but that's Eastern Europe for ya👍🇺🇸❤️🇨🇿
Jeff and Mike - Interesting video - the old Russian steel cased surplus ammo from the 70s and even earlier were packed in those oversized sardine cans - that stuff shoots very well. No doubt the lack of that sealing and packaging had something to do with the misfires and hangfires. I didn't notice any seal around the primers like on 7.62x54R and 7.62x39 ammo. But thanks to you, anyone having those old Russian shotshells can know what to expect. Probably best to keep those as collectible shells, ya think?? A great fall season to you, Steve
A couple viewers who bought these back when they were fresh did mention they weren't that reliable even then.
Thank you for your help Mike! Great job!👍🏽😀❤️🇺🇸
Thanks thor for sharing with them so they can share with us. I’ve never seen such shells. I’ve never seen T shot in lead. It sure patterned terribly.
You're welcome. Wasn't much else I could do with them besides play the "bet you've never seen these before"
@@ullr_group that’s my favorite game
I have some of these that I bought back in the 90s. They shot fine for me about 25 years ago when in bought them. Never tried in and auto loader. They worked fine in a single shot. Maybe in another 30 years I will try a few and see if they go off then. Thanks for the cool video!
thank you
a friend of mine bought a whole brick of the steel case .22 made in Russia and had a 90% dud rate in the first two boxes. I asked him if he would sell them to me to put in my collection and he said "if your gun can set them off you can have them" I loaded them up in my 9 shot H&R 922 from around 1920 and every one went off then I picked up the duds and fired about 70 out of 90.....free .22s
Nice to mention the USS New Jersey channel. Ryan and Libby do a great job.
That does make me wonder: Given plastic shotgun shells have been known to warp in magazines, would these solve that problem if they were newly manufactured with modern primers and powder?
You can still sorta get them and try it for yourself if you want, they don't make steel but I've seen full length brass shells for sale
Thanks very much~~~~~~Jeff & Mike....Russian fizzle shotgun shells...Who knew....!!
lol thanks Steve
Mike's cool, bring him back, I think him and Greg together would be a laugh.
Doing the OG's finger wiggle with the Kermit impression would be something 🤣😅
It would be the most sensational, inspirational, ...
You might be able to have a machine shop or a good gunsmith rebore the hulls to accept modern 209 style primers. With a steel hull, those should be infinitely reloadable.
no they'd eventually expand and fit too tight in the chanber and need to be resized.
As long as you can procure or manufacture the plastic caps for the ends.
@@NoTimeForThatNow 3d printer. or use either wax or a cork plug
@@bullzebub the cork plug brought up visions of Elmer Fudd or something, lol. 3d Printed maybe, and wax could work. Neither would be optimal, since they will be time consuming to reload. The original cap would be so much more efficient to use.
@@NoTimeForThatNow They make standard plastic caps for hydraulic bores for delivery of new parts. It wouldn't be difficult to just buy the correct size "off the shelf" as it were. All you'd have to do is glue them in with a water-tight glue.
I have been recently hunting with some American made boxer primed paper shotgun shells from the 40s. They all still kick like a mule are loud and seem to be getting the job done well. That is about 75 rounds worth so far. I do have one box in another gauge that all seem bad. I tried 3 out of the box of 25 and none went off. I don't know if it's just bad primers or if the powder would also be bad but i really think it's all in how you store it. I have became a firm believer in good ammo cans with silica packs in them. Good video as always and welcome new guy!
According to Lars @ YT channel Survival Russia (I think you follow him), these steel casings are the common thing that the "Old Timers" reload over there, so I hope you saved the empties to do some comparison videos in the future. The farmer class people over there ain't got no fancy crimpin' tools to use, so a steel can with a plug in the end to hold it all together is what they went with. The different results with Russian slugs in roll crimped plastic casings VS traditionally reloaded Russian steel casings would be really interesting, to me, anyway. I think that single or double barreled shotties were usually used, again, according to Lars. Maybe some of your Russian fans can hook you up with the wads, spacers and end seals that you would require. I'm not sure what type of primers he used when he reloaded in his video. Another good one guys, great work!
For some reason I thought you couldn't reload steel case ammo. Because it can't be resized. Maybe that doesn't apply to shotgun shells though?
@@mckenziekeith7434 I only know what I learned from Survival Russia channel, but to me it makes sense, because shotgun powders are slower burning and lower pressure than pistol powders and the powder really makes up a smaller amount of the volume of the shotgun cartridge. Most of the case is filled with wads and shot cups and the actual shot or slug. Just the bottom bit has powder in it. Many centerfire cartridges are fire formed to the chamber dimensions and only the neck needs resizing each time they are reloaded to hold the bullet in place. Shot shells don't have a press fit of the projectile holding it all together, instead a crimp is used, on a plastic shell or, in the case of steel, that plastic cup stuck in the end. I think it should work, but I've never done it myself.
@@mrhalfstep that all sounds pretty convincing to me (I don't have much hands on experience in this area either).
Welcome to the channel, Mike! Thanks for helping out. Hope to see you again.
Haven't seen Brianna recently. Is she still around?
This was very interesting and it would be cool to see more import ammo too.
I was born in 87' so to hear him say vintage shell on something made in 92 is eye opening
I wrote a similar comment and just seen you're comment man it really does open you're eye's. I'm born in 81 and hearing stuff from the 90's considered vintage makes me feel old.
I can't wait to see what you reload these with
Thanks for the help Mike. Come back soon!
Those empty shells would have made an excellent wind chimes !!
Just one note on hangfire, I was loading some.38 rimfire over last Christmas. Took some hundred year old ammo and pulled the bullets and powder. Tried a couple brass as just primers for curiosity. One shell I waited 30 seconds and extracted it like normal then the shell in my hand sparked inside as I looked at it. I wouldn't have believed it unless I saw it. I am glad a heck I pulled the bullet and primer 1st.
I’d love to see what’s inside those failed shells. Powder, wad, etc the walls looked really thicc!
Welcome Mike!
5:48 nice Kermit Mike👍
Thank you Thor
You're welcome but Jeff did all the hard work
Just wish Mike would have added a Hi-Ho to his Kermit voice.
Here to go easy on Matt, thanks for pulling the trigger bro
Mike was great! I'd much rather see you work with him than Greg. I also hope Danny is doing better and comes back someday! #dannyfan
Thanks John!
I agree. Bring back Mike and Danny full time! 🤟😎🤟
Kermit offing Miss Piggy in a fountain of blood was simply the best!
This looks like more than 50 years old. Russian cartridges are some of the best in the world up today!!!
"Use in modern firearms in good condition"
Words to live, and see through both eyes, by.
👋👋👋 Эти патроны очень старые и не рассчитаны на такой лёгкий удар бойка для пробивания капсюля.
Почему ты так решил, все пробивает, надо только капсюля смотреть хорошо, да и их перезаряжать каждый год, или под жавелло переделывать, да и заводские есть.
Центробой не лучший капсюль, да ещё и на сокол. Я подкладывал пару зёрен дымаря для лучшего воспламенения сокола. Е ещё центробой быстро портится и очень капризен при посадке в гнездо, а здесь 7 лет и без лака на капсюле. Словом 1992 год, развал и бардак.
Тимофей Малиев у меня металлические под жавелло заводские.
@@ВладимирМихайлович-ш2г Так переделанные. Я не хочу этого делать.Пусть будет оригинал. Тем более разработал зяряд на дымаре, люди не верили что такое возможно.
Тимофей Малиев всё-таки лучше переделать на жавелло, евро капсюль, надёжней, тем более не сложно, дымный порох это уже прошлое и не удобно да и для ствола вредно.
I've had.full brass 12 ga shells from Vietnam and Korean wars and they shoot perfect .
In fact you use to be able to buy new shotgun full length brass for the reloader person.
I personally love full brass loads. Especially if it's military buckshot !
The military went to full length brass due to the jungle environment causing the traditional paper-hulled shells to swell.
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That's like the results I get from some surplus 7.62x54r Russian ammo. The thing about my ammo though is I can just half cycle the bolt and then they all have fired. I've never had a misfire or hang fire from them.
I have been watching Battleship New Jersey videos for a long time. Ryan is a good host, he's very knowledgeable.
Love my mosin.
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Nice chart with the correct sizing of BB shot and air gun "bb's".
Thats funny. Im living in one of former Soviet Republics, and never seen a steel shell in 12g. All cases for smoothbore firearms, sold here, are made of brass. Im right now looking onto one of them, lying on my table. Made in 1991, with same logo(btw, i believe this markings means not a berdan primer, but instead this is a logo of a plant, which made this shell), but its 100% brass.
Moreover, i believe this shell made for export only, because soviet standard "GOST 7921-86" allows producing only shell with 65 and 70 mm length. And all 76 mm shells here are plastic only.
Also box markings are saying:
Shot number 0000 (5mm)
Mass of "Sokol" (most used in former USSR smokeless gunpowder) gunpowder -2.2grams
Shot mass 35grams
Primer "Centroboy"(berdan type primer for shotguns brass shells )
Average maximum pressure 65MPA
cartridge.
Nyet Primer hit harder must
Good job Mike
Thanks, Mike.
It's crazy when I put it into perspective that 2005 was 30 years after the Vietnam war. And now ammo from 1992 is almost 30 years from when I was in. Like you said where does the time go? That ammo is pretty unique like a lot of things we get from Russia I guess. Thank you for another unique video.
Mike and Danny should be the permanent shooters. That was a great video 👍
I was 20 years old when they where made ! ☺♥☺
Best ballistic channel never fails to entertain and inform. Great video guys!
thanks John!
The T is used by goose hunters mostly. I use BBB steel for goose but T is pretty much buckshot
Nice addition to the crew
I'm hurt! That was Ms. Piggie! I loved her! Oh by the way, excellent video!
That first shot was a great visual of barrel harmonics too. Keep up the good work
thanks!
Im really surprized any of them went off those shells are super cool
He must come back...Kermit was spot on
Well thanks Eric!
They came on the market around 1982. They were cheap and shot good out of a single and sideXside. They came in "T" and "TTT" and like a #4 shot. I think I still got three or four box's of the #4's around here. They had a steel case 410 that was nice in #4 and 6 pellet 000buck. Still got some of them as well.
I think Mike did a great job and fit right in.
Kermit voice is awesome. You have the best, most funnest, shooters.
thanks!
Good to have you back
The ringing of the casings hitting the ground reminds me of the x54R surplus I used to shoot out of my Mosin. Good memories.
I just watched a video from battleship New Jersey’s channel before this. Good stuff as usual.
7:05 That clink is so satisfying.
Hey there fellows‼️
Awesome Kermit the frog impression‼️
😆😂🤣😁😄😆😃😅
Hell of a flinch you got there. Shotgun damn near got tossed off the table. Gently, son.
That's an awesome kermit impression ✅
The 577/450 kynoch ammo I have always fires but has a hell of a hang fire. Surprisingly they are still pretty accurate.
Cartridges in metal casings were used in the USSR for shooting from double-barreled shotguns and each hunter equipped them himself.
6:18 Kermit finally kills Ms. Piggy, 'so much blood!' "Oh my gosh would you look at that!"
Fascinating. I wouldn't get these anywhere near my Browning A5! Steel case is only for my Makarov and Sks!
Neither of those shotguns gives a very firm primer hit compared to a Russian Baikal or TOZ shotgun. Sure, the strike is enough for an American primer but those old Russian primers were a different thing. Once you hit a primer lightly it tends to break up the primer pellet and then the odds of setting the primer off get even worse.
Thank you. Since the beginning of this video I wanted to hear those gigantic steel casings hit some concrete... And you delivered as normal..
Sounded better than Desecration Ranch's cruddy plastic ones, didn't they?
Kermit making space for Denise! 🤣
I’ve known Mike a long time, he’s a great guy. He’s pretty handy with a welder too!
Aww lol love you to brother!
The Kermit voice killed me hahahaha