War in Ukraine is the fault of US and NATO | John Mearsheimer and Lex Fridman
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Guest bio: John Mearsheimer is an international relations scholar at University of Chicago. He is one of the most influential and controversial thinkers in the world on the topics of war and power.
Mearsheimer is disingenuously feeding off of his controversial pro Putin position. I think he thrives on the fame and attention that it brings him. I personally don’t believe that he actually believes his position on Russia to be true. His smirk of dishonesty during the interview speaks to me.
@@TheHighlanderprime미국이 사주한 전쟁 미국이 끝내야 할것이다. 네오나치를 키운 미국. 러소포비아를 퍼트려 돈바스의 러시아계주민을 1만4천명이나 무차별 학살하게 만들고 나토의 동진 깃발을 휘날리고 작년 4월5월의 터키의 중재로 종전에 합의된것을 압력을 가해 전쟁을 지속하게 만든 미국. 노르트스트림 가스관을 폭파테러하여 러시아와 유럽의 관계를 끊게 만들고 유럽 물가를 폭등시킨 미국. 종전을 뒤집어 우크라국민이 군인으로 끌려가 50만이 사망하는 대참사를 만든 미국. 니가 책임져라.
@@TheHighlanderprime전쟁 전의 사연이 길어요. 미국이 우크라이나를 대리 전쟁으로 쓰기 위해서 접근한 게 2003년부터에요. 크림 반도 해군 기지 뺏어서 힘을 못쓰게 하려고... 친러 대통령 2014년 마이단 쿠테타로 쫓아내는데 뒤에서 지원하고. 우크라이나 대통령 고문을 해왔던 제프리 삭스 교수 말입니다. 자기도 아는 게 있지만 나중에 공개될 거라고. 그리고 미국이 사용하는 우크라이나 민족주의자들은 러시아인을 죽여야 한다고 학생들에게 교육하는 집단이에요. 영국 BBC 기자도 놀라더군요. 2014년에 쿠테타로 정권 뒤집으니 그런 우크라 정권 밑에 살 수 없다고 분리독립운동이 일어났고, 그걸 유혈사태로 진압하려다가 민병대 조직해서 싸우기 시작한 거에요. 푸틴은 마지 못해 개입했다가 메르켈 등과 민스크 협정으로 자치 인정해주고 문화 인정해주고 건드리지 않기로 하고 물러났는데, 메르켈이 최근 말하기를 우크라이나가 군사력 키워 러시아와 전쟁할 시간 벌어주기 위함이라 했죠. 그리고, 바이든이 들어와서 다시 우크라이나 나토 가입 시동 걸고, 우크라이나는 핵무장 시켜 달라고 하니, 과거 쿠바에 소련이 미사일 기지 세우겠다고 하는 것과 마찬가지가 된 거죠. 미국이 그렇게 하면 전쟁난다고 2015년에 미어샤이머 교수가 말한 겁니다. 미국이라도 전쟁한다고.... 예상된 일을 해 온 거에요. 러시아 꺽겠다고....
@@TheHighlanderprimeruclips.net/user/shortshqtip8UI5f0?feature=shared
@@TheHighlanderprimeruclips.net/video/YrsRr6DkiCs/видео.htmlfeature=shared 당신이 알고 싶어하지 않는 우크라이나의 추악한 진실
“Americans are not that good at putting themselves in the shoes of other countries.” Well said. I love the USA but all of us lack this perspective to some degree.
I disagree (partially )
Mr. G. Friedman and the R. Corporation knew exactly , that in the case of Ukraine, Russia cannot back off.
To call this scenario as „Russian invasion „ is similarly absurd as blaming the 911 firefighters for the collapse of WTC 1,2 and 7 (especially of building 7)
The arsonists blame the firefighters for ending the fire they have created in Ukraine.
Before that, the USof Arsonists have asked President Putin for friendship, to fight together against China.
He refused, by pointing out that this is not friendship (friendshit would be more appropriate)
Quote Henry Kissinger:
It’s dangerous to have the USA as an enemy, but it is fatal to be its friend.
The USA are probably the most powerful bull in the world arena - the question is, if the greatest britannical softpower still holds the bulls nose ring?
Does the term special relationship between the UK-US means exactly that the greatest softpower guides/commands the greatest hardpower?
If not, why Wladimir Zelensky (so called before the ban of the Russian language) signed a law that forbids negotiations with Russia under President Putin, after lockdown party BOJO visited Kiev ?
Irish proverb:
If two neighbors are fighting against each other, one of them was visited by an Englishman yesterday.
In autumn 2020 2 British and one warship of the Netherlands entered the Black Sea
The fund to rebuild Ukraine (at Russian expense) is presided by a woman from Britain (direct communication with the King)
Vice-president is another woman from the Netherlands (direct communication to her King)
The ICC * is in the Netherlands, and MH 370 was allegedly full of citizens of the Netherlands. (ICC = International Colonial Court?)
So, they have probably nothing to do with global softpower, and are as neutral as extraterrestrials would be to judge about „human „ affairs
If I would be the court fool , I would condemn the judges the prosecutors , and everyone else* to death by laughing.
The problems created by divide and conquer and the resulting destruction by collective square stupidity, can only being solved by collective intelligence (emotional, mental and spiritual intelligence/spiritual intelligence is to solve paradoxical problems constructive )
Example: knowledge is power/power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely (only a corrupt person)
But true power is the absence of powerlessness of anyone (killing everyone is not the correct solution to this paradox)
They don't regard others as their equal but someone below them.
The US, under the Jey wish control, is not a pale shadow of itself. It is ruled by a mob that has nothing in common with the traditional culture
America used to mind its own business. America didn't appoint itself as "leader." You all did. When shit pops off, someone attacks you, you need help with anything, who is the first person you ask to help? America! America! Please! Please come help us! You all made us the "world police" by begging us to do something. If we are going to do it, there are things that we need to do to ensure all of us to be ok. As if you ever have to worry about Americans invading your country and turning it into American territory. Russia knows it doesn't have to worry about this either. Why do you think their borders as essentially completely undefended right now? Because they know NATO and the US do not want and will never want to invade Russia. We would gain nothing that we couldn't pay for already. Russia is already selling everything it has. Instead of using its resources to grow itself, its selling them all to the rest of the world and the rest of the world is using them to help themselves grow. Putin knows that NATO is not a threat. He puts it on as a show for his citizens and preaches old propaganda about NATO wanting to invade and end Russia blah blah blah....all because of his ego. He's about to die and he wants to be remembered as a great leader. He wants the USSR back because he knows how weak his country became once half of its population stood up against the Russian threat. He's even stated that the fall of the USSR was the greatest tragedy. He's delusional and so are all of you thinking Russia is justified in invading Ukraine. Ukraine would not have been invaded had we and the Russians not talked them out of their nuclear weapons. We SHOULD have troops over there right now. We gave them our word the day they gave up their nuclear weapons. We promised them that their country would be safe and not invaded. Russia said the same thing. Russia invaded. You people really need to wake up.
Maybe Mearsheimer could set an example and put himself in the shoes of Ukraine, or the Baltic states, instead of a poor poor demented tyrant who wants nothing else than opress his people in peace 😒
Once someone lies to you you don’t allow them to lie to you again!
exactly!
Putin (Russia) believed them so many times, their lied again and again … 😢
yes, in the second case if you believe again? you must be stupid or talking to ghosts.
Without Russia creeping in there will be no NATO!
Yeah Lex lives in Fantasyland. He hopes that a trustworthy western leader will break from the overwhelming bureaucratic powers that control them and convince Putin that their country isn't trustworthy but they as an individual are trustworthy. After being lied to repeatedly by the deep state you'd think Lex would get it by now.
Lex: “my palms are sweaty, this is terrifying”
John: “yeah” continues on without skipping a beat😂
lmao
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@valeriobertoncello1809 52:07
John is the stoic among stoics.
😂😂
There was no puppet state in Poland. The General Governorate was a German colony. From the German and the Soviet perspective, as of October 1939, Poland ceased to exist. The capitol of the General Governorate was not Lublin, but Krakow (Cracow). The Poles were viewed by the Germans as stateless people and the only legal citizens of the General Governorate were the Germans.
I think Lex believes the US can still be trusted.
Lex is naive as a 15 year old girl
@@Vicious1ify I disagree, he simply likes to listen to their hosts without rebuttals, and asks them good questions for us to understand the context of the conversations
Lex has an opinion on the matter based on 1% knowledge that John has.
remember, not everybody's a flat earth NWO 5g microchip illuminati firmament guy like you
It’s the best country in the world
5:41 The Soviets did this after America put missiles in Turkey.
It was very strange for Americans to imagine that the Soviet Union had only 1/2 the economy of the United States, 2 aircraft carriers and a defensive foreign policy.
Also The reason Soviet troops entered Afghanistan was because the Afghan government asked for help because it could not face the rebel army funded by America.
@@carkawalakhatulistiwa were is the soviet union now? Ok shut up now
Here we are.
@@paulogauge8783What’s wrong with you sir
@@carkawalakhatulistiwaCut it out with lamenting about the plight of the soviet empire. It was an evil empire which repressed, impoverished and corrupted everywhere they webt to. Glory to the developed world for ridding us of this trainwreck. Also, putin's russia may not be the ussr but it's a similarly evil (wannabe) empire.
i dont understand how so many intelligent people cannot take real history into the situation and see
No es que las personas inteligentes no pueden poner la historia en perspectiva. Mas bien, es la conveniencia de pocos de apoyar la Agenda de turno. Todos conocen El Pacto de Varsovia, su disolución con la caída de la Unión de Republicas Socialistas Soviéticas, URSS, todos pensaban que la OTAN también se iba a disolver. Ucrania es parte de la geopolítica rusa, ceder que entrará a la OTAN era provocar a Rusia. El equivalente a la doctrina Monroe para USA. El pueblo americano no apoya ninguna guerra, quiere que se concentren en mejorar las condiciones económicas del
país y sus habitantes. Los políticos pagan todas Sus Agendas con los impuestos del pueblo, no solo Ucrania, la frontera abierta con 2.5 de refugiados, y toda guerra que se de. Estos son los intereses de los elitistas que gobiernan. El pueblo desconoce los intereses reales de USA en Ucrania ? Los elitistas globalistas porque no son democratas atacan hasta los periodístas independientes por su atrevimiento de hacer entrevistas fuera de sus paradigmas. Por ej. Hillary descalificando a Tucker por entrevistar a Putin y llamándole, tonto útil, ni siquiera mantienen altura en sus declaraciones, sino que le habla a sus masas, que falta de respeto, y que miedo tienen que el pueblo conozca la verdad. Cuando realmente se van a retirar de la escena política ? Critican a Putin porque tiene más de 20 años al frente de Rusia, y ellos se mantienen activamente interfiriendo. Cuando realmente se van a retirar ? No son suficientemente Billonarios ?
Generally, American politicians aren't intelligent. For every Rand Paul & Ted Cruz, there are countless Bidens, Pelosis, AOCs & Kamalas
They pretend to be dump so they can pass their filthy politics decisions
People don't understand when they live in a world entirely created and imaginary due to propaganda. Part of the propaganda is telling people they only receive the truth and no matter how many lies are uncovered they believe each was a mistake not a systemic issue
Trust me, they can. One does not have to be very intelligent to understand the consequences of these actions. The real question is what was and is the real goal or rather game plan for all of this (from a NATO perspective)
The fact that Finland entered NATO makes "the expansion" excuse for a war pointless.
Finland, the key ally of the Nazi Germany in ww2 didn't have much choice when the Russians pushed back in 1942, nor do they have now in 2024 with a population of less than 5 million could never pose a real threat to Russians.
How do? Are you saying they should invade Finland too?
@@vwilhelm5788 it proves that the whole nato expansion argument is bullshit. Putin is throwing everything he has into Ukraine, his borders are unprotected. And what does nato do? Nothing. Because Russia has nuclear weapons and Putin well knows he can blackmail us.
This war is for domestic purposes. Putin uses nato to create a big scary enemy so that the russian citizens all look to him to protect them.
He attacked Ukraine because they were dangerously getting more democratic and prosperous. If Ukraine had democracy it is a direct threat to his iron fist over the Russian people because they will start wanting democracy too.
Because the Russians made an agreement with Ukraine that it would stay neutral after the collapse of the Soviet Union. Ukraine was always closer with Russia than Finland was with Russia
@@mcribisback7105 they made an agreement to defend ukraines sovernty in exchange for their nukes. That agreement left Ukraine open to be invaded again at any time Russia wanted.
There was nothing substantial about nato and Ukraine, only some words in 2008.
Putin is using this exuse because there is a group of idiots in the west that has no clue what is actually happening and why.
How can he trust that what one president promises, the next one will renage on?
Treaties signed
Hence why he said ‘let them clean up their own mess’. He’s done trusting us 😆
@@Randy12346 Germany Poland and UK signed a treaty to be guarantors or the Ukrainian government after the elections they certified. And then stood by while I was overthrown for Zelensky. (probably a US backed coup)
@@ZaphnathPanea the treaties signed was that if Ukraine was attacked they would defend
@@ZaphnathPanea "probably a US backed coup" source: it was reveled to me in a dream sent by the aliens
Everything makes sense if you add, “because peace was never the goal.”
lmao lex you gotta mature past the "hope" and "human nature" angles, its dragging not only your analysis (which is not important relevant to the guests imo) but also the depth of conversations you can have significantly.
No it doesn't. And i'm glad he doesn't listen to you.
@@Ebb0Productionsyou arent rational. Stop writing. Stop coping. Stop the drivel. Stop the emotional arguments that don't make sense for a chess game.
Agreed. Unfortunately Lex is drowning in US propaganda and shoves it in front of his speakers too.
@@Ebb0Productions Noone cares about your opinion.
Wow tuff guy
"Russia had the audacity to put nukes in Cuba" didn't the US already have nukes in Europe before Cuba that were more then Capable then striking Russia? The hypocrisy 😂
Ohhh Shut up you are talking nonsense,France Europe and Britain didn’t get Nukes from USA they Built them themself , in Cuba’s case Russia came to Cuba
Yes, and now they have both russia and china surrounded with literally dozens of missile bases, and still cry victim and pretend that russia and china are the big bads, like they aren't the international bully that has gone around starting dozens of wars and bombing/invading dozens of countries just since WW2 while China hasn't been in a war since 1979, and russia hasn't made war any further than right on their own borders since WW2. the US is the aggressor, and like any smart bully, they play the "Crybully" and claim that they are the ones being victimized, even as they surround other nations with weapons and missiles and threaten them nonstop with war and sanctions while they busy themselves overthrowing sovereign nations' governments while also crying about how russia allegedly tried to do it to them, it's like, bruh - CIA wrote the literal book on doing that, you do it all the time.
@@okidoki2479 The US has spent decades surrounding both russia and china with literally dozens of missile bases, and still cry victim and pretend they are the ones being harassed and manipulated, the lying and hypocrisy is off the charts, this is why no one outside the vassal states in europe and the middle east wants anything to do with the US anymore - they are liars, and their diplomacy can't be trusted, because they are untrustworthy hypocrites in their foreign policy.
Lex Fridman asked many shallow questions.
Fortunately John Mearsheimer is able to give alternative insights.
so true
Henry Kissinger was probably the closest to Mearsheimer you can get - a pure realist. You loved him, right?
@@dfdf-rj8jr
??? Kissinger was a deceptive liar by all accounts. Kissinger is similar to J Edgar Hoover: they are authoritarian liars who think they can manipulate everyone else. That's why many think of Kissinger as a snake.
Mearsheimer is a historian, not a shady politician.
We ignore the fallout of Nord Stream II Sabotage relative to this Ukraine Conflict
CIA did that
yep, is plain as day who did it, but EU states are to chicken to question their master...
@ivancai8070 don't bite the hand that feeds you
I was pretty neutral to the conflict at first. I am a Russian and was serving in the German Military. I knew there was some Propaganda on both sides, but I was conflicted so I decided to just stay ignorant and let it pass.
Then I heard on the Radio that Northstream blew up and the host said
"it's still unknown who did it, it's being investigated if Russia did it"
That's where I made up my mind and started to look into the politics of it. Do they really think we are that stupid?? The amount of misinformation is incredible.. I am amazed how it worked at all considering everyone has internet these days, but I am glad to say that people here are slowly sobering up to the Truth.
Exactly the reason they are scared😂😂.@TheKisj
Victoria, AKA Toria Newland, was a big in the start of this.
@JamesBond-yn8kd
I see that you don't know anything about Victoria Newland's phone conversation, because otherwise you would write that she was calling for a compromise between the demonstrators and Viktor Yanukovych.
Jabba the hut is a demon covered in blood
@@stefan-xaverscherrer7648your funny.... Soros and 5 billion and the overthrow or a country and they burned all those people in that building..,sad lonely troll
@@stefan-xaverscherrer7648seems you need to get educated
@@tombayless9759 She did.
One of the first things I watched was Putin's speech on why he invaded. He DID NOT say, it is unacceptable that NATO's expands, he said something about Nazis in Ukraine and about protecting Russian citizens in the Donbass. So how is it, that this professor now says, well obviously it was becouse of NATO Expansion. Why didn't Putin tell me in his speech that I could see?
I think it's because, if Putin did not invade BEFORE Ukraine joined NATO, then he wouldn't be able to step in without starting WW3. And he had to intervene because the Ukrainian Nazis had been shelling the Donbas region for years and would ultimately have ethnic cleansed it. They referred to the Russian speaking minority as 'untermench ' look it up.
As long as Ukraine wasn't in NATO, the Russian majority has a chance.
I would agree about what Putin said but he has also sat for a number of hours with the press and spoke openly, questioning why NATO were amassing troops along their borders. My partner is Bulgarian and it is known that some 20,000 plus ethnic Bulgarians have been pushed out of the country. The history of Ukraine is not as simple as one has been told. There is a large ethnic Russian population who do not want an independent Ukraine.
Furthermore Russia has been attacked numerous times Napoleon (won but could not maintain power), they lost WWI and of course Operation Barbarossa in WWII. One of the main routes into Russia is the Ukraine. To put it into perspective the number of deaths during WWII was approximately 50million of which approximately 30 million were USSR.
So if you think Putin or Russia shouldn’t regard any move by NATO as a threat then you are sadly mistaken.
@@TheTimdoyle definetly. If I was Russia's leadership, I would feel threatened by NATO expansion as well. I also don't think NATO expansion is such a good idea, because there was no more soviet union to defend against, I see it as an American power vessel. But that's not the reason why Russia attacked Ukraine, because than you only give countries more incentive to join NATO. That logically makes no sense, if I want to stop NATO Expansion I don't attack my neighbours, than I only make more countries join NATO. And as I said, that's not what Putin said in his speech. He talked about denazification and liberation of russians.
@@karlweurfelwatch Putin's speech at Munich security conference in 2008, he said it there and repeated many times since
Because nato expansion is a joke, nato doesn’t militarily expand, it could be right on Russias border and Russia wouldn’t need to be worried about being invaded unless they invaded another country. Which I guess is what they want to be able to do, invade countries they feel like whenever. Which no country should have to put up with.
”Power corrupts the best of people” is a reference everyone in the world should learn off.
What about Marcus Aurelius?
It's also a lesson that keeps being preached endlessly, makes it hard to take it seriously
@@thechadcruzaider7864 I agree and thats the problem
Why did Finland and Sweden decide to join NATO after decades of staying out?
For the same reasons why they supported Hitler during WWII.
Fear. Plain and simple fear. They said Russia is going to invade us..like there would have been a good reason to do so as we have exactly nothing they'd want and huge reserves. Why Sweden did I have no idea. They've always fought to the last Finn anyways. Last I heard they were calling help services in fear of invasion. Anyways this can be shown as a Nato winning even if Ukraine would lose. 🎉
Fear
Cause they were told to.
"In Putin's heart and Zelensyy's heart, I hope"
Hope is the first step down the long road of disappointment.
Optimism leads to disappointment. Pessimism leads to nothing
@agamemnonofmycenae5258 Good one, I like that, lol
@Dazzxp The Emperor protects.
@@agamemnonofmycenae5258 Pessimism leads to depression
This^^@@Dottorelover1
Is it? Russia invaded Poland first, one can see why they joined Nato. Sweden and Finland just ended their neutrality.
Mearsheimer ignores Ukrainian agency and the fact that people don’t like dictators. He has great points about how this could have eventually been prevented, but if Ukraine wants to be in the EU and it wants to run NATO tests, it is ITS will and decisiveness over where it wants to stand geopolitically.
You're stupid for politics.
Do you really not understand why Russia is against expansion to its borders?
Wrong. No country exists as an island for itself, and if said country goes down a path where it endangers a neighbor, the endangered country has a right to take action. Russia does not want a hostile military power on its border. End of story. It's like if Russia had stationed a missile base on Cuba. What do you think would happen? America's gonna "respect Cuban agency"? Get real.
Yeah damn right! If Mexico wants to be in the BRICS and wants to invite Russian military bases, it is ITS will and decisiveness over where it wants to stand geopolitically!
@@MrSvinkoyaschMrSvinkoyasch
But America will not allow this to happen.
@@ЭлеонораИсайкина yup! That's the point!
Do we (the american public) really want to flirt w/ nuclear armageddon over who gets to control a portion of eastern Ukraine? I know my answer..
will he stop in eastern Ukraine?
@@karlisbanans6453 did u even listen to the video? ... I'm sure ur unbased assumptions are so much more apt than John Mearsheimer's informed analysis 🙄
@@TJ-JudgeWell seeing as Mearsheimer makes plenty of illogical and factually untrue statements....
I agree with some of Mearsheimer reasoning. However, when he says that Putin and Russia is thrarened by having NATO at it's doorsteps with Ukraine joining. Excuse me, Sir, this happened long ago when the Baltic nations joined. The invasion of Ukraine also pushed Finland into NATO as a result. So there goes that argument.
You obiously didn't pay attention. Russia was too weak in 2004 to do anything. And Ukraine shares a much longer border with russia and access to its military in crimea and eastern Ukrainians are basically Russians
@@TonyFontaine1988 You obviously haven't been paying attention to the current Russian invasion into Ukraine. If you think they were too weak in 2004, 2023 completely exposed how badly they have fallen since 2004. You have also failed to mentioned that Russia completely missed the calculus of neutral Sweden and Finland joining NATO. Finland has an even longer border with Russia. Not to mentioned that with Sweden and Finland in NATO, Russia can't get out of the Baltic or Norwegian Seas in any conflict with NATO. Not like their navy had much shot even without those 2 countries joining, but now it's just completely nailed down.
@@simonhsu8399 You must he new to geography. Most of Finland is impassable terrain or have you never heard of the arctic before? Finland has a very small population and never was a former soviet republic and doesn't have a Russian population living there. Ukraine is a former Russian territory with the eastern half being of mostly russians with numerous Russian founded cities. It also has access to the black sea fleet which is much more important than the Baltic for oil transportation. How TF do you transport oil and gas in large amounts from the Arctic? Pro tip, you can't. Ukraine also has a much larger population than Finland and the 2nd strongest army in Europe, and Ukraine was being armed since 2014 to fight Russia by NATO. Eastern ukraine also has vastly more resources and is much closer to Moscow and most of Russia's military bases. And Russia never warned about finland and doesn't give a crap, it warned about former soviet republics. I will run circles around you on this. Just stop. Russia now has a larger military manpower than the USA at the moment.
@@simonhsu8399 also nothing about the batlic sea changed. Norway, the UK, and Denmark always could block access as NATO countries long before.
@@TonyFontaine1988If joining NATO is so self-evidently risky and problematic,then the natural next question to ask is why so many nations in Russia’s neighborhood are interested in doing so? Especially since many of them are quite different from each other. “They’re all too dumb to listen to Mearsheimer” isn’t a very convincing answer.
But we Poles want to be NATO what is your respond mr. Mearsheimer ?
If you lived under the Soviets you want to be in NATO.
@milosmarinkovic422 "allow".
you seem to forget that we (the west) are vastly more powerful than russia. so we will assert and bend russia to our will. a prospect an expert in "realpolitics" should be able to grasp.
What’s this you want to be in nato you are in nato
Poles want to be in NATO for the expressed desire to spite Russia. Your history with Russia is well documented and very long, it’s no wonder you feel comfortable in NATO. Most all of Eastern Europe has a massive bone to pick with Russia. Eastern Europeans need to realize that they are no longer dealing with the USSR.
Man doesn't consider Ukrainians, Poles, Gerogians and others to be fully human beings with brains and thoughts on the matters. It's all power game between big countries. Guy is a dumbass
Good ol lex, hoping leaders speaking can avoid war and find peace… thing is they don’t want peace
Yeah super naive
Yeah super naive
The US side doesn’t want peace. The hubris of winning the Cold War and becoming the sole superpower 30 years ago gave the neocons the confidence to go on and replace diplomatic resolution of disputes with military action!
We’re living the results of those horrible decisions! A bankrupt empire that writes checks that its budget can’t cash!!
unfortunately some leaders such as putin understand only force
It's a recurring theme in a number of Lex's videos, and it never fails to inspire some sort of secondhand embarrassment felt by me for Lex
It tends to surpass simply making him appear naive
And moves in to certified clinically heckin retarded bruh word2lifeyo no cap we outchyea
There wasn't anything in particular that changed between 08 and 2014 in terms of NATO membership. Ukraine wasn't even close. It was the change towards the EU that brought the ire of the Russians. They want a colony in Ukraine, not a country with a functional economy.
Exactly also this war is proof Nato is and has never been a threat to Russia. If Nato was this monster boogeyman the guy is making it appear then its strange that Nato have done nothing other than send weapons. The fact there’s zero nato troops on ground is literal proof Nato is not a threat to them never has been
Also people don’t realise that any full scale Nato war with Russia would decimate many Nato countries especially Eastern Europe. Nato 100 per cent wants peace here in Europe they don’t want to fight Russia and I think the non physical intervention is proof
Is it why the US spent $5B to support a coup in 2014 toppling the legitimate Ukrainian president? Something doesn't add up here -- why would US be so generous to a state that reasonably speaking is nowhere close to its geographical sphere of interests? Do you want me to believe in pure philantropical sentiment behind this expense? I don't buy it, sorry.
No can't you see NATO is evil and poor Putin is defending his little nation!!
Yes there was. It was the government coup that was conducted by the US in Ukraine in 2014 that changed things for the worse.
1. Yes, Putin has imperialist tendencies.
2. The most important mistake in Mr. Mearsheimer's rhetoric is the fact that he assumes that Putin attacked Ukraine because it wanted to join NATO.
This is not true - he would have attacked even without it, and then would have found another argument to wash his hands of it and blame it on the West
3. The same applies to "Putin's peace talks." Of course, he started the negotiations to make a good impression, but his final argument would still be the total capitulation of Ukraine.
3. Mr. Mearsheimer does not agree with the assumption that Putin is like Adolf Hitler - even though his actions are very similar - Hitler also occupied Czechoslovakia "because there were German minorities there"
The West did not react then and concluded, as now, that this would be the end, but we already know the rest of history well. Hitler occupied other areas until he finally attacked Poland - when World War II began.
by the way, where is the Russian opposition? aaaaaaa.... wait, he murdered everyone.
4. I live in a country that was once occupied by Russians. The economy of the entire country was destroyed. Intellectual elites were murdered.
In the 1970s, my aunt from the US sent my grandfather living in Poland $3 to help the family. The Russian authorities found out about this and decided that my grandfather was an American agent and sent him to a labor camp. It was sick. My grandmother was left alone with 5 children.
5. Countries join NATO to protect themselves from Russian aggression - not NATO, which occupies new territories to annoy Russia.
We perfectly remember the taste of losing freedom - what the Russian occupation is like.
6. I believe that in today's world people lack common sense.
Those who know this situation only from the media (which is full of disinformation) are speaking out on this matter. The same applies to "experts" who are not related to the case and only "speculate".
Then goodluck joining NATO and becoming like Ukraine.
Never knew Lex audience was NeoCon. Comments are like Daily Wire.
Lot of bots in here
@@zachhoward9099 *pro-Russian bots like you.
Lots of Neocon bots as they know Lex is a big influencer of young thinking minds. It's dangerous expansion into easy catch demographics for Neocons.
Yeah these people on here with all the info that’s out now still repeat the same exact talking points that you see from neocons it’s crazy how alot of these people think it’s up to the US to determine the geopolitical future of the world. A lot of them knowingly gaslight and leave info out too
Tons of nafo bots - Pentagon's money well spent.
We have not had Statesmanship but political leaders with no or very limited vision in charge of the destiny of nations which will continue to make a peaceful world impossible.
Lex's naivety is showing here
Lex always had a soft spot for his motherland and views it with rose-tinted glasses, not unlike most people with roots in Russia. He treats Russia like just another normal country when it's the only remaining active imperialist state in the world. He overstates all the positives Russia has brought to the world and downplays all the negatives.
@@username7735it's not imperialist, come back in 5 years and tell me how many countries Russia has invaded since Ukraine
@@jacobbell8171 Lol. It's literally an empire.
@@username7735the Russian empire ended in 1917.
@@username7735also an English speaker complaining about imperialism, how funny.
Perhaps if the Russians hadn't treated every country in the Warsaw pact like shit they may have not rushed to join NATO after the collapse of the Soviet Union to prevent it happening again. Perhaps this isn't NATO expansion but countries securing their future free from a previous authoritarian master.
Go back to the hospital room, you’re sick
Westerners DO NOT understand what russia is and always was. It's so crazy to see.
I was unable to finish this video, there is too much ignorance to the nature of those individuals.
You've made a good point tho, there has to be some reason people are trying to get away from something, right? He puts it like US just told everybody to betray their dear to heart soviet multinational legacy and join NATO lol.
There is ZERO consideration for any nation in between.
West won in postwar Germany for a reason, and there is a good one why commies had to put a wall in the middle of the city
Exactly. Mearsheimer does not have a faint idea on what it means to live under russian boot. My country was there for many many years. I would gladly die to protect myself and my children from living through it again. Ukrainians are not pawns here, they want whats best for them. He speaks with a mentality of a rapist - "don't resist because it's better to be raped than killed... "
Perhaps if they didn’t threaten Russia by promising to enter NATO, Russia wouldn’t threaten them.😅
Should every country do whatever it wants? Yes. Is that how the world works? No.
Didn't it occur to you that USSR occupied eastern European countries because they fought against the USSR on the side of Germany?
Why couldn’t Ukraine become neutral like Switzerland? I know I don’t have a lot of knowledge about this, but just an idea. If it’s not in Nato and not in the EU, like Switzerland, it would be a separation between Western Europe and Middle East. We could bring a similar Neutrality like we have in Switzerland by Swiss people in a temporary government that would make the country totally transparent, independent and neutral and the most important: bring peace. Would that even be possible? Just wondering.
It was possible, Ukraine was neutral, was a federation, before occupation of Crimea.
Because the US doesn't want it
Why? Because it doesnt suit the powermonger war-makers of America, is why. Finland was neutral, for 80 yrs, and did very well out of it - now it's broken the treaty it made with Russia, for which it will, one day, weep and thrown in its lot with the Empire of Pirates. They also want Finland for their own use. It's all, always, about Russia.
A Swedish guy said, only a day or so ago, that Russia was a land filled with wealth, oil, gas, gold, precious metals, rivers, and it couldnt belong to the Russians, because it was the possession of all humanity. Like, starving black Africans, maybe?? Like Gaza and other Palestinians?? Yeah, sure. They want Russia's wealth for themselves, they want to genocide all Russians, and they will use anything at all, blackmail, propaganda, mind control, appeals to greed, to get those nations to throw in their lot with the Empire. And thats why Ukraine couldnt be neutral.
Why? Crimea in 2014, Donbass, full scale war in 2022. It is just a booster for Putin, the way to remain in power.
@@SyifaToni-k3p Try learning a few facts before making stupid statements and a complete fool of yourself.
I did not know Angela Merkel said that about the Russian Red line and NATO expansion
Golly gee i wonder why
Most European leaders are ventriloquist's dummies of the usa. With the exception of hungary's Viktor Orban
That mean the media is doing its job
I live in 🇬🇪 Georgia, neighboring country of russia and the main reason we very desperately want to join NATO is to ensure our safety. Joining EU and nato is more crucial for us, than for nato itself. unfortunately, some westerners don't understand this, negotiation and peaceful living alongside russia is impossible. (because of putin's aggressive foreign politics)
Russian soldiers are killing civilians in my country
I am really disappointed with Lax and his guest, this man's narrative is not how things really are, he is either stupid or very biased toward, Putin, please educate yourself on this matter.
If Georgia really wanted safety why did it invade Abkhazia and South Ossetia in 2008?
Something doesn't really add up here.
@@deathandrebirth you can invade different countries and occupy their territories, like Russia did with Ukraine and Georgia, Abkhazia and Samachablo is the territory of Georgia, occupied by Rus, you can not invade what is part of your country.
Look who is talking...
The implementation of Resolution 1633 (2008) on the consequences of the war between Georgia and Russia
I. Introduction
1. On 2 October 2008, the Parliamentary Assembly adopted Resolution 1633 (2008) on the consequences of the war between Georgia and Russia. In this Resolution, the Assembly strongly condemned the outbreak of war between two of its member states and considered that, during the war and its immediate aftermath, both countries had violated human rights and international humanitarian law, as well as the Statute of the Council of Europe and specific accession commitments.
2. While recognising that the war did not start on 7 August 2008, the Assembly considered that the shelling of Tskhinvali, without warning, by Georgia marked a new level of escalation and constituted a disproportionate use of armed force, albeit within its own territory, which violated international humanitarian law and Georgia's commitment to resolve the conflict peacefully.
@@evawind
Georgia Wins Another Historic Victory Against Russia at the Strasbourg Court
After a thorough analysis of the evidence of violations committed by Russia against the population of Georgia in the August 2008 war, on January 20, 2022, the Government of Georgia submitted a complex legal position and evidence to the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) regarding the compensation of the affected persons.
The ECHR ordered the Russian Federation to pay up to 130 million euros for the benefit of up to 24,000 Georgian citizens who suffered during the war.
Вы живете в стране, которая напала на Осетию. Вы были агрессором! Это признали международные организации. А Россию вы ненавидите, потому что вам стукнули по голове во время ВАШЕЙ агрессии! Ещё скажи, что это не Грузия начала вторжение в соседнюю страну, обстреляли миротворцев из России, и получили за вашу (!) агрессию.
Lex and Prof. John was talking about the use of nuclear missiles and the implications then Lex spoke of 'a missile accidentally striking Poland by mistake'. This conversation eerily brought back memories of July 2014 when a Boeing 777 operated by Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur was 'shot down accidentally' when it was about 50 kilometres from the Ukraine-Russia border killing all 298 passengers and crews onboard. It is the deadliest aviation disaster in my country Malaysia. The wreckage from the aircraft fell near Hrabove in Donetsk Oblast, Ukraine. The shoot-down occurred during the war in Donbas over territory controlled by Russian separatist forces. An investigation found that it was a surface-to-air Buk missile that came from a Russian military base were seen as a clear indication that Moscow had a role in the tragedy. Russia has always denied involvement.
Thanks Lex for the interview, I enjoyed it so much.
Tell us more. Please elaborate on the enjoyable part of this old man mumbling nonsense. Please enlighten us all..please
@andrej2321 the old man made more sense than NATO or Zelenski.
@@andrej2321it is a bot
@@petercarmody4897based on what?
Lex’s pro putin propaganda naive idiot. Has no idea what is going on in Ukraine
Yes, negotiations are a great way to buy time.
2014 and 2022. Russia would be crazy to negotiate as soon as Zelensky is removed and the new leaders know it is lost
And get around issues.
By this kind of thinking you might as well say "NATO expansion in East is the fault of Russia". Or more precisely it is the fault of Russia's attitude towards these Eastern European countries.
That is not logical because as a eastern European I can tell you most of us respect Russia more than you know. Russia was made an enemy because the US economy thrives off of having one.
@@zlatkonanev I am from Eastern Europe myself and I know by my own experience that majority of eastern Europeans who were in former zone of Russian influence doesn't have good opinion about Russia. I suspect that you come from more southern part of Eastern Europe which had different historical experience than Northern part of Eastern Europe.
@juriskucinskis4100 I am from Bulgaria, and yes, the satellite states had it much easier. Without the USSR, however, we wouldn't even be an independent nation. We will never forget what our northern brothers did for us. Russia ended up being the main territorial beneficiary of the former USSR and was left with an economy and military resembling nothing of the USSR's might. Today's Russia has nothing to do with what the Soviet Union once was. It would be foolish of me to think of Turks the same way I do of the Ottomans simply because of geography for example. Why does the west still consider Russia to be the threat that the Soviet Union once was? What was the purpose of NATO expansion after it was dissolved? What do they need protection from? Those people had nothing to eat! What were they going to shoot with? Which other countries (who's economies don't entirely depend on printing $ for wars) continue to villanize past enemies this way?
@@zlatkonanev If you are from Bulgary I can understand, your country did have completely different experience towards Russia. Personaly I am from Latvia and I can tell you that for Baltic states, Poland and Ukraine it was completely different experience. Even after collapse of Soviet Union Russia continued to implement it's soft power in this region. Basically the main problem is that both during the times of Russian empire and Soviet Union large numbers of Russians emigrated to the non-russian lands which were under their control. That's why Russia considers them part of Русский мир and continues to hold their influence there. That's why people there feel threatened.
@juriskucinskis4100 what is threatening about Russians? I can't get this past my head? We were taken by the Ottomans for 500 years and I was just in Istanbul on vacation. I can't be threatened by a Turk. It makes no sense to me. I think a lot of this has to do with programming specifically coming from the west and EU. All of their economies will collapse if there is no war or at least another virus. The way I see it, almost any time Russia has used military it has been in self defense.
Kind of dumb to think Putin started a war thinking he was going to lose...makes it hard to take anything else seriously.
Right? Like he didn't copy the thunder run tactic the US used in Iraq in 2003....Hostomel airport was just a faint!
Have you noticed comment section being different than usual on certain political videos?
This is not Lex’s platform. This on is users his clips for profit from advertisements.
Certainly
Yeah MAGAs and Russian shills. Mostly Russian shills in the comments
Yep.. it's ridiculous
Russian trolls
It’s historical fact that Kiev was Russian capital for several centuries.
It is a historical fact that Rus' and Russia are not the same thing, everyone who does not understand this is ignorant fools.
Kaliningrad was the crowning city in Prussia and therefore kind of the official Prussian capital for centuries and Prussia united Germany. Should Germany therefore try to retake it?
Savoy was the duchy that became Sardinia-Piedmont and then Italy. Should Italy try to retake Savoy from France?
Istanbul was the capital of the Byzantine Empire which was dominated by the Greeks. Should the Greeks try to reconquer Istanbul?
KievRus was PART of Russia not capital. Every part was important.
KievRus was PART of Russia not capital. Every part was important.
@@user-hb5kb2ws9z the was no Russia at the time of Rus. Those are different phenomenon with centuries between them.
I’m absolutely flabbergasted by how simple minded people are. The same people who pushed masks and vaccines are rooting for Ukraine.
Lex, get married first, then apply trust, you cannot apply it in foreign policy, even in tribes, it’s all always them and us,
John looked at him like ...man, this guy is living in disney world.
It's like a domestic abuser saying look what you made me do. I'm afraid the realist view fails in this respect.
The realist view is that of reality, what happened to Ukraine? Destroyed. Russia was already warning about red line for ukr to join nato. Realist the best really predict what will happen.
It’s more like play stupid games win stupid prizes. Ukraine is not a spouse but an enemy in this scenario.
Mental gymnastic backflips by only 2:54 seconds in. Holy shit this guy could spin a yarn out of horse shit
Not surprised I had to scroll as far as did to get past all the cyber bj posters are giving these two clowns.
Those negotiations did take place. Davyd Arakhamia was one of the Ukrainian negotiators who has commented on the talks.
So have Naftali Bennett (then Israeli Prime Minister) and Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu (then Turkish Foreign Minister). Look it up.
So should Iran also has nuclear weapon? If you think ucrania should have developed it, i think you're saying that Iran too to protect them against israel.
I may not be as learned as this man , but on first blush, Ukraine is a sovereign country and if they want to join NATO, then it’s not a Russian decision…
Did they oppose Finland?
If you admit Russia's right, you have to also admit its openly genocidal rhetoric is also right. Russian Media Monitor has pretty much every notable aspect covered. It's insane how anyone can even attempt to justify what Russia is doing. It's a monstruous regime, they will not even stop at Ukraine if they get their way. Really disappointed with Lex and his inability to ask any good questions.
Exactly. Maydan is a testimony of how Ukrainian didn't want anything to do with Russia. They want democracy and less corruption.
John thinks only the USA is to blame for wanting NATO expansion so badly. I think he is wrong.
So if México partner with Russia tomorrow and decide to put russian bases in the border with USA, The US should do nothing right? After all Mexico is a sovereign country
Answer to this question starts at the 5 minute mark.
@@MathieuLaflammemayden was a coup..nothing democratic about a coup
Simping for Russia is exactly what Putin wants. Congratulations.
What a dumb comment. If you disagree fine but do so with an adult comment rather than stupid remarks.
Simple comment lol congrats
OK Zoomer
There are so many things wrong with Mearsheimer's narrative that it's hard to know where to start.
1) NATO expansion: Sure, Ukraine wanted to become a member of the EU and NATO before the invasion, but it wasn't about to become a member of the EU and NATO in the run-up to the invasion in 2022, EU and NATO expansion was not an issue at all at that time. Why was that? Precisely because of German and French opposition to Ukrainian membership. Ironically, maybe Germany and France shouldn't have resisted in 2008 and after, then maybe there wouldn't have been an invasion at all.
2) Russia's war aims: Of course, the goal in 2022 was not to "conquer" Ukraine with 190,000 troops, why should Russia do that, that would be ridiculous. No, the aim was to overthrow the government and install a pro-Moscow regime, that's why the troops were marching on Kiev. Moscow had "lost control" of Ukraine during the 2014 Euromaidan, and the aim was to regain control of the country and "Belarusify" it, so to speak. The Belarusification of Ukraine was the main goal of the war, the goal has of course changed now that it is no longer achievable. And why did Russia do it in 2022 and not earlier? Because the opportunity was there, the West looked weak, Biden looked weak after the chaotic US withdrawal from Afghanistan, and Europe looked weak after Merkel's departure. Remember that Western leaders were negotiating with Putin over and over again in the run-up to February 2022, by which time the Kremlin had long decided to invade, it was all a ruse.
3) Russia's imperial ambitions: The Kremlin leader himself has said time and again that the greatest "catastrophe" that ever happened was the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991. Why? Because Moscow had lost control of most of its former satellites and Warsaw Pact members. Perhaps Mearsheimer should ask himself why ALL the former Soviet proxies (with the exception of Belarus) couldn't wait to join Western alliances as soon as possible. Because they all knew the Kremlin's imperial ambitions and that the Kremlin would try to bring them under its control as quickly as possible.
Mearsheimer's assertion that Americans are not very good at putting themselves in the other side's shoes is also rather ironic because he fails to mention that Eastern European states and former Soviet proxies also have legitimate security interests of their own. They couldn't wait to join Western alliances because they all feared the Kremlin's influence, especially after the 2008 war in Georgia. By denying their security interests, Mearsheimer is also completely unable to put himself in their shoes. The only position that seems to interest him is that of the Kremlin.
You absolutely nailed it…great analysis, especially that last part about the former Soviet satellites
Here is the actual quote from Putin. "Anyone who doesn't regret the passing of the Soviet Union has no heart. Anyone who wants it restored has no brains."
This is all happening on Russias border. You act like this is even in our hemisphere of the globe. Why can’t you see how the Russians are finally being set upon by an alliance that exists to ruin them. NATO played with Ukraine being a member, knowing full well they could never be accepted. You have no concept of how the Russians see this.
All of those points could be argued . The satellite states joined NATO for the money . Western influences in government= Money ! The reference to darkest days in Russia was the financial collapse. The satellite states is what bankrupted the USSR.
Laughable. NATO doesn't "expand into" Ukraine. Countries voluntarily express interest in the defense alliance, and Ukraine was a long way away from even being considered.
Thank you for the interesting guest, as always.
Russia was not interested any of Ukraine,he asked one thing since 2008 ,Ukraine on Russian border ,should be NEUTRAL ,just at its border …❤❤❤
and because of this expansion the western US led world system is being dismantled
Finland joined NATO, does that mean that Russia has now the right to invade Finland and it would be NATO's fault if that happens (principally)? Also this gentleman refers to NATO and West interchangeably, is it the same thing?
No Turkey is in NATO but is not exactly in the West.
Yes lol we don't control how any country feels about something. So smaller countries should think about how bigger countries see their policies. That is an example of realist ir theory.
When Putin said about these small nations with densely populated areas talking about airstrikes against Russia, should have shut their mouths and feel anxious about their own survival.
I'd love to see what happens to defense contractor stock prices every time NATO expands
That's the game $$$
Someone is tracking 💯
What about what the ukrainian people want?
Who asked what the Ukrainian people want when CIA organised a coup in 2014? Who asked what Cuban people want when the US organised its blockade?
This guy is meant to be a top thinker.
He just said there were promises made regarding NATO eastward expansion.
You should have asked him to list the signed agreements, he wouldn't have been able to.
He says " Pootin couldn't have conquered Ukraine with the troops he invaded with"
He expected Ukraine's leadership to flee.
He was expecting hostimal airfield to be overrun and troop carrier aircraft were on the way from Belorussian airfields with heavily armed troops which would have made Kiev based government impossible.
I'm sure he knows this.
That leaves me thinking he is untrustworthy.
What's his real connection to Russian Federation?
💯 This guy is a joke. Russia tried a thunder run.
And who are you? And where is Ukraine now? Destroyed i bet
@fluff5800 Ukraine is currently invading Russia but okay 🤣
@@jvang2293they are? You mean went in to a village with no opposition and got stuck and then ran for their lives taking massive casualties? Is that what you mean?
He’s right about everything he said and only a complete idiot thinks otherwise.
The truth, the plain truth and nothing but the truth. Excellent show..........
The problem I have with John is he misses the point, Ukrainian (or any other country) does not need Russian permission for anything. If Russia was abetter neighbour then this would not have happened. If a country want to join NATO let them.
I’ve been saying this all along. So nations like Ukraine don’t have agency? They can’t sign their own trade and defense agreements? It’s like the argument on the other side is: “Just give russia what it wants, and pray they don’t ask for more.”
@@conchfritters01 And if your perspective is essentially "might is right" then you can't cry about NATO or any one else asserting their might.
In 1962 US didn't like the idea of Cuba having Soviet missiles in their "backyard". Was the US a bad neighbour that Cubans had to arm themselves?
"There's no evidence he intended to conquer Ukraine". Idiotic statement by John, considering Putin's columns were IN Kiev in the early stages of the war. They tried. It's on video. They failed.
John Mearsheimer has been parroting the Russian line for years without batting an eye.
Ofc they were, it was a police operation.
Kiev is barely entire of Ukraine
@@МихаилЧерников-п2т A police operation is not conducted by criminals. And you also claim a 65 km armored column is a "police operation"? Absurd.
OMG, check your facts. Not in Kiev but in Gostomel where the airport is located. Typical war tactic of blocking airspace and famous special forces video shows it was successful without any resistance. They pull out after the negotiations without a fight. "65km armour column" LOL 😂, they flew in helicopters😂
@@vangarusHAHAHA They tried to set up an air bridge at Hostomel airport but their "special forces" suck and lost the battle. COPE HARDER.
After what Ukraine has been dealing with, I cannot imagine them wanting to be a neutral state
Их ни кто спрашивать не будет.
No post soviet country can stay neutral. They all run to the west. The ones who didnt do it in time got invaded and got their land stolen.
Compare the number of civilians killed in the course of almost 2-year special military operation with that in Gaza. That should answer your question.
At this stage, becoming neutral would just mean becoming russian, with extra steps. They cannot be neutral and sovereign without security guaratees from the west, which is an oxymoron.
@@AndraBullar exactly. Becoming neutral means getting eaten by russia. Always was the case . Thats why countries like belarus and ukraine and georgia are struggling
Professor Mearsheimer, as brilliant as he may be, doesn't believe that the people of Ukraine have the right to self-determination.
Wrong, he is simply saying that actions have consequences. You can’t start a fight and then cry about getting hit.
Huge respect for John Mearsheimer. He's one of the great geopolitical and strategic thinkers of our age.
But how about this possibility? The US and its allies go to war with China over Taiwan and any of his first three scenarios is realised (i.e. anything short of an outright Chinese victory occurs). In this case, isn't there a strong potential that the Chinese Communist Party would lose its "mandate" (such as it is) to rule China and would either be overthrown or collapse not unlike the Soviet Union in the late 1980s, thus removing the Western world's primary strategic competitor? Obviously that doesn't guarantee a happy outcome for the West as we saw with the rise of Putin and his oligarchy/kleptocracy in Russia; but the potential is there for China to become a productive and successful democracy much like current day Germany and Japan, provided it is given adequate economic and governance support after the collapse of the CCP.
Read history china and Taiwan were one before,1949, remember china is not an agressive power,agression has paved the way For USA decline,so it serves apurpose for the usa to fight more wars,in middle east, Ukraine, Syria after more 15 years all Americans will be burdened with more useless debts,she will be father with the loudest voice but with non thing to offer to its ppl and the world,then the masses will raise up
The only path to that, as shown by history, is civilian casualties measured by billions at least. The Berlin Wall, the end of Hiroshima. Americans are so able to forgive murderers who they never met in person. And please note that both the German and Japanese governments during WWII were already criminals by all existing human morals, their people had a reason to overthrow these governments. The modern China led by CCP, mind you, is generally supported by the entirety of the Chinese population, or will support them just in the hope of maintaining peace and unity. This is also a government that wields nuclear weapons with a neighbor that almost had nothing by nukes. Sure, if hell is what you want.
Putin's rise killed the oligarchy in Russia and centralized power, you are mentally ill.
Keep dreaming, Chinese have a very different thinking, they are taught about western colonial crimes, crimes committed by westerners on their people and American 21st century crimes. They view themselves as a great power who deserves to be great again. Why would they exchange everything the ccp did for them (uplifted them from shite) to democracy western degeneracy (in their pov)
16:35 As an Eastern European I would say the exact same about Mr. M. He doesn’t understand the part of the world he is talking about. John is hypercritical and suspicious of the West, yet takes everything Putin says for granted. It’s really weird to watch John defend a man that would have him thrown from a building if he attempted the same dissonant politics in Russia.
Exactly, is like everything before 2022 invasion is not there. He says he studied Putin, but nothing about the russian state, that is constantly aggressive towards Eastern European states and pushes middle east propaganda since early 70s.
Who cares what you think? Eastern Europe isn’t important the only country there that matters is Russia because of its nuclear arsenal. Your expendable
You're completely misunderstanding his point. He's not saying Puttin is good. He's saying Putins actions are rational reactions based on his position and history. Those are very different things. If you have a factual counterpoint showing what he said is untrue then let's hear it.
I don't get these ideas presented by all those ignorant westerners and putin lovers. Who the f*ck is ruzzia or USA to tell Ukraine that they should be neutral/NATO/Russian. If they chose USA after choosing russia in early 2000s then its their choice if they wanted to be closer to the west.
All those claims about taking 'russian lands' are complete bullshit from ruzzians. Who is ruzzia to tell 40mil of Ukrainian citizens how to live and what they are allowed to do. And it's going beyond that with every ridiculous claim they make or demand they present. Demilitarised Ukraine, Poland, Baltics, Finland ect. Who the f*ck is ruzzia to demand anything from 100mil of people from Eastern/central Europe.
Who is USA and their politicians, people like Mearsheimer to tell it's fine to give even 1km to invader. Ridiculous people and logic. If ruzzia want to measure their dick let's do it with half of Europe that want to be themselves after decades or hundreds of years of wars. Sadly people are dying, but it's only on ruzzians.
Be sure to give Putin credit for adding Finland to NATO
Putin continues to help NATO grow. Thumbs up on your colossal backfire, Putin.
@@keith6820lol Finland is not strategically important and was already a U.S. vassal state.
@@chrisperez3614 lol they are 5 minutes away from St. Petersburg with a missile strike and share a large border with Russia. If Putin cared about security, he would have definitely wrecked Finland before joining NATO.
This is some of the dumbest shit I’ve ever heard 😂 Ukraine wants to be in nato simple as that
Lex: "why cant we just like, loovvee our way out of this, dude? Like what about looove man?"
i dunno why but i love watching this particular podcast when im in the bathroom, the conversation is always so slow, its relaxful
Я тоже в ванной смотрел 😂
Plenty of word salad from Lex to help your bowl movement
relaxing*
@@jacobbell8171 right
@@smmsex а откуда ты знал что я русский?
Holy shit Lex this dude is clown shoes why are you amplifying his signal
Yep, seems like only clowns use factual arguments these days
I think this is Lex's method, to really bring out what is inside his interviewees.
The country that has overthrown more governments then probably anyone in history is benign lol the fact that he was the ambassador and now gets to teach at Stanford says all you need to know about our crumbling empire.
Thank you for sharing your truth! We appreciate it!
@tegaatima1860 John may have predicted conflict (duh, war started in 2014) but he said in February 2022 Russia would not annex Ukranian territory, merely deter NATO. John is a dreamer who hopes that appeasing Putin will lead to peace. Unfortunately if you are Russia's neighbour you are either occupied, Russified, or destroyed, unless you are strong enough.
A pure manipulation. Belarus has great relationships with Russia for decades. Majority of former soviet republics maintain independence and business relations with Russia. By pointing out "occupation" you mean pro-NATO american puppet regimes poking and provoking Russia. Ukraine from 1991-2013 was a neutral state, and Russia actually did not give a single fuck about it's internal policies.
Politics, like war, are fickle things and never a straight line. Something that once seemed impossible today seems possible and vice versa.
John is full of sht.
Sounds like a projection to me... sounds like you are describing either the US, or the GB not Russia which neither had collonies, nor slavery, nor reservations. Sometimes I wonder if that's the core mistake Russia has made.
@@evawind I am an EU citizen and to me there is no doubt you are way better of being a neighbour of the US than a neighbour of Russia. So no, this is not projection but the experience of living next to Russia.
The Ukrainians passed a law, making it illegal to talk with Russia. No one is allowed to talk peace
It's not allowed to them to speak with Putin
It's s big difference
@@shesanicon7411then how the fuck do you expect to make peace in next four years of his presidency?!
And I wonder why and who gave this brilliant advice?
Boris,The Clown Johnson no less.
John Mearsheimer. Why has this man never been considered to be a U.S. Secretary of State. A talent that has been overlooked by the last 5 U.S. Presidents.
There is no room for talk. USSR and Russia tried that. Russia was promised that NATO would not move an inch to the east, outside of Germany. And they broken that agreement. So there is no amount of "human nature" that you are talking about that would make Putin believe you the conflict ends. He will have to make that not happen using his military.
And the U.S. ambassador to Russia told the U.S. they were making a mistake expanding NATO. There are plenty of other officials who’ve said the same. They just aren’t covered by the media.
People who made those promises had no right to make them. It left millions of people out in the cold and vulnerable to Russian aggression. "The club membership is closed, all the rest of you are screwed. "
@@notofthisworld5998 So if US can use such naive argument to justify there actions, then you understand why Russians don't believe US anymore. So my comment stands correct.
@@notofthisworld5998 There were more subtle ways to offer some sort of protection to countries that would have asked for. Not just say "JOIN NATO MY FRIEND". But who knows how this would have turned out ...
There is no agreements that NATO would not move an inch to the east. Enough this bs
Lex and his belief in individual leaders 🤣 Only "individual leader" I can think of is Stanislov Petrov 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
He forgets about the controlling interests behind the scenes. Lex comes across as very naive in this clip.
Lex is naive and since he is of Russian decent he has some amnesia.
that 1st grade libertarianism
He can sound so smart, but sometimes Lex is just an 8-year old who thinks the world is as straight forward as a lemonade stand!
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😅@@GobiLux
The war was started in 2014 with the annexation of crimea.
Mearsheimer is wrong about the basic fact that no assurance regarding limits to the expansion of NATO was ever given.
If Ukraine applied to NATO, how is it NATO's fault? Wouldn't it be Ukraine's fault?
I agree with your assessment if Mr John was from Ukraine but he is NOT!!! And another point is the US are the one who will accept you,, I mean they have the upper hand US is the country that approves or disapprove your application. Hence now ask yourself why the us 🇺🇸 government approved it known the consequences???
Excuse me, when exactly was a referendum on joining NATO held in Ukraine?
@@djape1977 don’t catch me on this but they being asking for some time,,, prior to the Georgian 🇬🇪 war in 2009 but I believe it was formally discussed by all the NATO members 2014. I believe mid of 2014 when Germany and France turned it down by saying it will be catastrophic if we accept them as a member,,, they were aware of the consequences that it will led too. If you remember (recall) the US taped the German canceller phone 📱 at the time (Angela Merkeal) cos the USA suspected her of having a secret meeting with Putin (Russian president) via phone. The reason for taping it cos she was the only member who strongly denied the idea of Ukraine joining NATO.
@@sugartem1you completely missed my point.
Who exactly asked
Because the current government was installed by the CIA. Not a conspiracy theory - fact.
Настоящий ужас, это не атомная бомба, а то, насколько не понимают ситуацию даже уважаемые американские профессора которые занимались обсуждаемым вопросом специально. Т.е. мы возвращаемся к реплике Путина в ООН: "ВЫ ХОТЬ ПОНИМАЕТЕ, ЧТО ВЫ НАТВОРИЛИ?!" - Ужас в том, что они не понимают. Они творят чистое зло считая себя "хорошими парнями", которые могут рассуждать о мире и о любви сидя в своих мягких креслах. Час времени потрачено на разговор, а они даже близко не подошли к пониманию ситуации вокруг Украины. Они рассуждают о "благе для украинцев" которые теперь живут и сражаются за нацистское государство, которое им помогли создать хорошие парни из Америки потому, что только потомки недобитых во Второй мировой войне нацистов (которые прятались от возмездия за свои преступления в США и Канаде) смогли заставить украинцев считать себя врагами русских - своих братьев по крови и по вере! Господа, поговорите о благе немцев в нацистском Рейхе! Не можете? А Украина теперь, это плохая копия нацистской Германии. Только так США и Западу удалось создать из Украины "антироссию" и натравить её на русских.
Путин не захватывает украинских территорий, он освобождает Украину от нацизма и от "доброго гегемона" - США, который повинен в каждой капле крови пролитой на этой войне.
That`s the point. Now, it`s obvious that he needed millions of soldiers to conquer Ukraine but at that time, he believed that he would accomplish that task with just 200K soldiers. Moreover, it`s not that easy to get together 2-3 millions soldiers. Hindsight is 20/20.
Especially when you think that everything is going to fall apart and large number of people is going to get on your side
The US are - no question about it - the bad guys in this conflict in particular, but also have been the bad guys in general for a very long time. Just ask the Vietnamese, Afghans, Iraqis, Libyans, Syrians, Palestinians, Yemenis, various Latin American countries, etc - who have all been victims of US wars, destabilizing policies and installing/supporting dictators. It is the most powerful nation but also the most aggressive and imperialistic country in the world. Plus, the only country that used atomic weapons on another (and their civilian population at that) - when there was no need (Japan was on the verge of capitulation, it was mainly done to intimidate the USSR). And before it continues to sanctimoniously and hypocritically lecture the rest of world on human rights and women's rights perhaps it needs to look at the state of human rights in their own country first: the institutional and overt racism towards people of color for instance (e.g. blacks wrongly convicted of crimes they did not commit and police brutality towards them simply on account of their skin color (which in some cases has led to them even being killed) , the indigenous peoples living on reservations, etc), not to mention all the human rights abuses it is guilty of in those conflicts it started/participated in or is complicit in. And now it's Europe turn to be destabilized, not only with regards to the war in Ukraine which the Americans engineered but also them being behind the sabotage of the Nordstream pipelines.
So NATO pushing to the Russian border is an excuse to kill hundreds of thousands of mothers, fathers and children? It's mechalomania from Putin, it has nothing to do with self defense, unless he also conquers the Baltics, Moldova and parts of Poland and Ukraine. Putin knows that be suicide. This war can only be blamed on the Russian government.
Correction: it’s never a EU or NATO expansion !
Is the free will of a country (Ukraine) to chose another way of be free and have a better life, better economics!!
Like Puerto Rico is not a US expansion.
Ukraine doesn’t want to live anymore under the Russian terror!
If you say so then Russia also have free will to determine whether its a thread or not, NATO has always been hostille toward Russia and now they plan on to be right next to Russia? They should know what would come or they already known, its an predictable ending
Sweet summer child
@@hongsonnguyen8204how has nato been hostile to russia since the end of the cold war? i'm not aware of any intervention, meanwhile russia's information and cyber warefare on the west is unprecedented - even interventions in free elections!!
I posed this old idea of "demonstrsting resolve" with the use of a few "tactical" nuclear weapons to a retired Russian army officer. He responded that this was a very foolish course..."what makes you think that Russia's response would be a similar tactical response?
Russian missiles probably don't even work like their tanks.
Bad guy = the one who attacks first
Its really that simple people, we dont need a genius to explain to us for 20 mins the who what and why...
Adding to that thought. This is same rtard that said that the Israel Palestinian conflict would end if there was a 2 state solution; I call BS. The truth is that none of those muslim nations want Israel to exist.
Then US is all around the "bad" guy.
In the eyes of Prof Mearsheimer it does matter what Putin and Russia want but what Ukraine wants should be completely ignored. 😮😮😮
Funny how after all these podcasts Lex still thinks the US(government/military complex) are all good and all knowing and always looking for the best future of every country.
This is an example of the truth that we’re conditioned and habitual beings and that it’s not easy to uproot our views as they are habitual.
"If we are to have a chance at peace, Putin must get 95% of what he wants." Great idea, mr John Mearsheimer! Wow, sutch a masterfull negotiator. No wonder Putin appears like a mastermind, when compared to men like this.
What better idea do you have Genius?
America always gets what they want, historically. If they cannot get it by "asking nicely" they invade, do coups or assassinates. If you were do apply the same standard and not have double standards you would understand. When it comes to Ukraine, America doesn't fund the war out of the goodness of their heart, but because it's their war, their proxy war that they provoked to weaken Russia at the expense of so many Ukrainian lives..
Oppose Putin at every avenue. No more grandstanding. No more “Peace in our time” treaties with outright dictators, which is exactly what Putin is right now.
Lex can you please let me know about your mic setup is there a booster for the voice?
Dude is a computer scientist, some scientific and computerized stuff happening on those mics, so crystal clear, you cant stop wanting to listen to the discourse...
He could be using a gain booster such as a Cloudlifter, or maybe a Preamp of some sort to amplify the signal.
I love this guy!! Very articulate , something that the media wont tell you!
What do u mean by “doorstep”? What do you mean by “conquer Ukraine”?
All the examples you gave of NATO expansion were met with only words from Russia. If this is about Ukraine joining NATO then it seems like Ukraine is the specific red line not nato expansion generally. Of course Ukraine is not a part of nato. There has been no momentum towards Ukraine joining nato. And before 2022 most nato members (including the US) were not in favor of Ukraine joining nato. The nato members that were in favor were countries like Poland and Lithuania who have a history of solidarity with Ukraine against Russian occupation. Speak specifically here. Russia invaded Ukraine and began annexing their territory in 2014. This came after a popular uprising in the country that saw the deposition of a pro-russian president and the election of a more western aligned president. That president lost reelection in 2019 to a candidate that was even more western aligned. Putin tried to cleave away western support for Ukraine diplomatically during the Trump administration but failed and then sent in a surge of troops and annexed more territory in 2022. This is not about nato expansion. This is about a country and a people that Putin refuses to acknowledge are anything other than Russians with funny accents democratically moving away from Russia and towards the west. This threatens the Putin regime because of the close connections between Ukrainians and Russians. In Putin’s eyes if it can happen in Ukraine it can happen in Russia. And if it happens in Russia it will literally be over his dead body. Lex please have guests on who can explain this interpretation: Timothy Snyder, Marci Shore, Anne Applebaum, Fiona Hill. Ukrainian freedom depends on the voices of their defenders.
Talking from Ukraine perspective here, our nation suffered soviet union suppression for entire 20th century, people were starved to death during holodomor. When we finally broke away from russia Ukraine gave up our nuclear arsenal(3d in the world at a time) during 90s in exchange for guarantees of our security from both Russia and the west.
Regarding the argument that “Russia suffered from nazi invasion” and therefore are scared of Nato - Ukraine suffered most or real losses during that war since we were so to speak “first line of defense” while we were still recovering from Stalin trying to starve us to death during 1933 holodomor(guy tried to kill us and replace with Russian population in our land). So if west feels guilty for ww2 you can split guilt between Russia and Ukraine evenly.
Regarding argument that putin did not plan to take all the Ukraine because he had only 200k man its also false because he had huge advantage in the sky and numbers of artillery. Also he was sure that we will be scared and surrender…especially east of Ukraine. He was and still is serious about taking all of our territory.
Regarding the argument that Putin will not attack NATO after he takes Ukraine - well…he took Chechnya, conscripted people from there to attack Georgia and Ukrainian Donbass, then he forcefully conscripted and brainwashed men there to fight Ukraine. Continue the pattern…
If Ukraine falls everyone in the world will be demonstrated that if you don’t have nukes you are …
The only reason things may go back to some kind of balance is if Ukraine wins back its territory and west shows that it can still support world order against so called “empires” … you know that putin likes to think himself as peter 1st (guy was first emperor of russian empire)…
This John Mearsheimer has some absurd arguments about Russia and the whole conflict, for sure
It's just a lie. If this was suppressed, then why was there no partisan war after 1955 or something like this against the USSR?
The heads of USSR were people from Ukraine - Khrushev, Brezhnev. You had the best higher education in the world and one of the largest industries in Europe. Your country was much richer than even Russia now. And if it was suppression, then I want to live in such a suppression.
So do not lie!
@@user-tl7xk1np1o Your arguments are not really relevant to the current state of affairs. So the only liar here is you.
Any intelligent person can easily swart your worthless argument of "Russia starving Ukrainians" by simply checking the birthrate records in the years Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union.
@@user-tl7xk1np1o Khrushchev wasn't from Ukraine. He just spent time there during his youth. Don't lie. It's also pretty well documented that Russia has been an oppressive force throughout modern history. Wasn't just the Holodomor, can also look at the mass deportations in Crimea and the russification that followed with Russians and Belarusians being resettled. Things have hardly gotten better since Ukraine has been recognized as independent...
John Mearsheimer, its always a blessing to hear from you. Do you have any strong suggestions on what the US needs to do at this point? Thank you ,sir! 9/13/2024
Just remember how west blame Russia for invading Georgia in 2008, completly ignoring fact what it was Georgia who start war
spreading fakes huh? any sources or common sense for such interesting alternative historical facts?
@@tomarator send your complaints to the UN, because this is what their resolution on Russian-Georgian conflict reads:
The implementation of Resolution 1633 (2008) on the consequences of the war between Georgia and Russia
I. Introduction
1. On 2 October 2008, the Parliamentary Assembly adopted Resolution 1633 (2008) on the consequences of the war between Georgia and Russia. In this Resolution, the Assembly strongly condemned the outbreak of war between two of its member states and considered that, during the war and its immediate aftermath, both countries had violated human rights and international humanitarian law, as well as the Statute of the Council of Europe and specific accession commitments.
2. While recognising that the war did not start on 7 August 2008, the Assembly considered that the shelling of Tskhinvali, without warning, by Georgia marked a new level of escalation and constituted a disproportionate use of armed force, albeit within its own territory, which violated international humanitarian law and Georgia's commitment to resolve the conflict peacefully.
Of course Lex has on another Putin apologist.
nobody is apologizing to Putin.. But the US Government and Nato 100% caused this war..
@@gumzster Russians are beating no one. They're literally a dying country. Population is plummeting with no children to replace the dying. LoL
His logic is the same as it was the womens fault for being raped because she dressed provacative.
That analogue fails as it excludes tons of facts at the cost of buying Kiev, Kharkov Nazi propaganda. Keep it up.
All is fair in love and war
Can you distinguish between rationalization and justification?
And the killing of own Ukrainian children in Donbas since 2014 was what? The "raped mother's love"? 😂
@@vangarus Only braindead people can make fun of innocent kids killed by lunatics... On the other hand -- it's a perfect illustration of who Russia is fighting in Ukraine and why.
I'm calling bs. He completely outright ignored Putin's open embrace of the writings and philosophy of Russian Fascist, Ivan Iiyn. As well as his well understood fasination with Peter the Great and the overall push towards USSR-ish brand nationalism.
He also makes the ignorant assumption that the initial invasion force of 190K troops wasn't with intention to conquer Ukraine when clearly the opening action of the war, the air assault on Antonov Airport, was designed as a decapitation strike against the Ukrainian goverment while multipe Motor Rifle Brigades stormed the boarders on 3 different major axes around the country?
Russia had a NATO border since 1999 when Poland joined.
Or the moment NATO was founded- with USA....
If you listened to Professor Mearshiemer carefully, you would have noticed that "Russia was too weak" at that time (1999) to take steps. Besides, there is no comparison between the length of the Russian-Polish and Russian-Ukrainian border. On top of that, while NATO expansion is a core problem, there is also the issue of genocide of the Russian-speaking population residing in the Eastern Ukraine. They, if you don't know, have been persecuted for not giving up their culture and language. The first act of genocide happened in 2014, after the illegitimate US-supported coup. The Alley of Angels with more than 100 kids murdered by the ukrainian puppet regime is a girm evidence of it.
@@evawind Being weak didn't stop them from getting involved in Moldova and Chechnya... Also, there is *no* genocide of Russian speakers in Ukraine. Never been a thing. Zelensky is Russian speaking ffs. Lastly, 2014 had nothing to do with the US. It was a protest movement that lead to the ousting of Yanukovych, Putin's puppet leader. He went against the parliamentary and the people and when they protested, he passed draconian anti-protest laws and ordered the police to shoot the protesters. That annoyed the people and he ended up fleeing to Russia. Had nothing to do with the US.