Sapphire Pulse RX 570 and RX 580
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- Wendell takes a look at Sapphire's new Pulse GPU lineup!
P.s. its hard to find these in stock. Thanks Cryptocurrency miners! :D
RX570
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Still a very useful video for me in 2019 - thank you :)
2020 is not good year :( are you ok?
I love anime the real question is are YOU ok?
The RX 580 is simply better than the 1060 when you look at it overall. But the catch is that it's very hard to find right now at MSRP due to dem damn miners, hence most people are still buying 1060's which is quite sad. This card deserves to be a best seller for gamers...not miners.
It's also better for those still using Apple's tower Mac Pro. OSX has built-in drivers for many AMD cards, so I bought an RX 580 8GB Pulse and popped it into my 2009 Mac Pro-no driver installation needed. With the GTX 1060 I had, I needed to install NVIDIA Web Drivers (which are annoying to deal with), and they were very glitchy. In fact, they were so bad, I had to log out and log back in after waking my machine up from sleep; otherwise, the card would glitch out and make my computer virtually unusable.
This specific model of and brand AMD card was also a no-brainer for me because it's the very same card which Apple is using within their beta eGPU kits. Might as well have the very same card which they're using. I've seen no reason to go back to NVIDIA. The only issue I've had is in Windows: the Windows drivers are awful and caused my games to crash. I had to tweak the AMD Wattman settings a bit in order to avoid this.
WTF does that mean? 'miners'. Nose miners???
Exactly lol unless u are installing a Waterblock or got one of the dual fan version the 1060 Temps get way too hot and the capacitors and chips are bullshit! I took apart 3 msi 1060all the same exact model 6gb oc single fan version and all of them had different chip manufacture one hynix one sk something and the other Samsung wtf is quality control I thought msi was top tier quality but the sapphire Radeon is so much better u legitimately cannot compare the two yes uses more power to mine a little less crypto but longevity over anything else u have me sold capacitors that last 15-20 years versus msi which claims 10 years have yet to see one make it that far but time will tell
@@mr.blackhawk142 he's trash talking crypto miners lol
Now available if you are willing to burglarize your friendly neighborhood miner.
Wendell, some of those OEM PCs have limited PCIe power delivery. Instead of the usual 75W of the PCIe 3.0, they give something like 44 (?) Watts. If you got a GT 1030, 610, 630 or 710 you could try to use that. The bad part is that you don't usually see any of those warnings in the manuals.
I second this. I made a cheap server with a Optiplex 9010 board + a i5 2500 and with the MT and DT versions the PCIe rail is limited to 50W. :(
25Watt (eugh) is also a thing on some boards. Yes it's crazy low.
if it is the issue, then a custom graphics card bios, that shifts power draw to the 8 pin from pcie socket could maybe solve it
amd already did such an update on the overdrawing rx480, so it is possible to do on the polaris cards, so maybe check the graphics card bios route?
cataria pega
The power draw of the RX480s was solved through a firmware / bios update of the card itself (basically, on-board drivers), not on the motherboard bios. And I believe those PCIe are hard-wired to give that much power, you can't do any software hacks to make it give more Watts. I could be wrong though, I met a lot of cases with those OEM builds, but never looked into it to see if it's actually doable.
@mrbiky
nono u understood me wrong.
i meant flashing the cards to only draw 40 watts or whatever the motherboard's max is through the pcie slot and the rest through the pcie power connector.
so the cards then would run within the spec of the motherboard.
and the higher draw from the 8 pin doesn't matter.
that was the solution to get the rx480 within pcie slot spec, they changed it to draw more power from the power connector, which doesn't matter.
i meant if amd could do it with a bios update, we can probs too, or amd could release a "use on your own risk" bios update to make the cards run on those old oem motherboards.
so tackle the issue on the card side not the motherboard side if u get what i mean.
Fun fact: The dots actually lets air flow faster and better into the fans. Like on golf balls! A very subtle but useful efficiency feature no other GPU has had before (to my knowledge).
i remember, there's some sport car having those golf ball dots for aerodynamic purpose
this is why I love level1 hardware videos. real world conclusions drawn from real world scenarios. not LTT "we put 3 $1000 gfx cards in a potato PC!". great stuff Wendell have been following for years and will continue to do so.
Wanted to come back and say thanks for the review! Watched this before buying and my Pulse RX580 has been great for my purposes the past 6 months
Viewer...engagement...does that mean we're finally getting married Wendell?!?
IamZren89 lol
This video speaks right to me. I have a PC I built in 2011:
i5 2500, GTX 560Ti, 16GB ram, etc.. I've always thought I needed a full upgrade, but this made me seriously consider just upgrading the GPU (maybe throw in an SSD for windows). Thanks for the eye opener!
2019 - RX570 Kills GTX1650 in all games for 40EUR less
2019 - I've just picked up a RX580 for £95!
@@1000sofusernames I picked up an RX580 for £56. Because some people can't spot power issues with their system for the new card they bought. :D
I picked up rx 570 for 95 dollars
@@stefanvakos9223 its used, ex mining
This comment will help your audience engagement analytics. You are welcome. :-)
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Just to be sure, another reply.
this also right?
EdWittenen does giving likes to comments also help?
please share the video also.
I have been running an Ivy Bridge optiplex with an r9 285 the past two years and it has been great. Glad to see yall doing this!
your videos have improved so much since you started up after the incident, i havent been watching much but this is great. Also love the server stuff
With the mining craze, good luck getting one that isn't overpriced..
lol ya there great cards just try to find them under $350
Mr. Antoin Amazon pre order if Amazon didn't react.
I'm selling my 480 to buy a 570 itx
I got a Pulse 580 4G from Newegg for like $219 about two weeks ago. Email notifications are your friend.
All the miners have the email notifications on too.
I picked up a 480 for 170 on a Newegg sale a few months or so ago. thinking about selling it and tripling my money.
Could sell your 480 and get a 1070 or mabye a 1080 if you can get enough for it :P
i love my rx 580, it has been one of the best purchases on my build!
@Ayush S just a Ryzen 5 1600 & aorus gigabyte rx 580 4gb, it took me a few months to get it all together, i am very happy with the performance of the ryzen cpu
@@MatthewHensley8304 I have been looking to buy this same card .which said for minion plus gaming .should i buy it? replay please .does it have good temperature .
Wow those gameplay footage actually looked pretty incredible
They should start including driver USB instead of CD. People who don't need it can format it for other use.
Lesson of the Video: DO Not buy brand name PC's since they truly are incompatible with anything.
Build your own Pc from Parts. They're comparatively cheaper and better, since they're upgradable.
2020 and I just got the 580 for my first ever rig 😅
Thanks for the info 😄
I upgraded from a 3GB Radeon HD 7970 to an 8GB Radeon RX 580. It's a great graphics card, definitely recommended.
Too bad you can't buy any, or if you can they're 2-3X the price
hit up ebay or the hardwareswap reddit and sell that thing, youll make enough to turn around and buy a gtx 1070 easy
John Smith Are you stupid or are you stupid? What's the point of your comment?
Great clear review on these cards....
I love the Sapphire Pulse RX 570 OC 4G
it's excellent.. on my FX 8150 which i wanted to bring it back to life.
This is hands down the comfiest tech channel.
the only two AMD cards not mining!!!!
Bruce Keegan bahahahaha
Mining is stupid...
The problem is that it isn't stupid. I wish it was.
@@vdochev it wasn't years ago, but now it is.
..And mine. I do need to sell my Powercolor RX 570 4gb Red Dragon, only used it for 6 months then I ug to the Sapphire RX 580 8gb Pulse
My watercooled 480 wasn't able to get past 1440Mhz on the core, but my 580 with a similar block is stable at 1530Mhz, so I'm pretty happy with the increase in process quality.
RX 580 costs $685 here. Love my country
Ukraine, electronics are overpriced and salaries are ridiculously low, like $0.4/hour low
They W E R E available on Newegg yesterday...but hey...
I checked Newegg yesterday for a 580. The only one available was an MSI for over $700. I passed.
*Passed out...those prices are too GOD damn high.
Malaysian here, bought a Red Devil RX 580 8GB for about USD$230 and sold it just yesterday for about USD$650 here. Used that to buy a GTX 1080 hehe :3
You guys should add AMD and review to the title ... GET MORE VIEWS! YOU GUYS DESERVE IT!
Thanks for the good and honest review! I have not upgraded my system since 2013, (FX 8350/R9-285) I recently upgraded my monitor to a Nixeus 24 inch, 144Hz free sync monitor. I feel that new monitor bought me some time, since screen tearing and stuttering are not as bad. Hopefully the 580 will be available at normal prices by next fa..
I managed to get my shimian 27 inch ips 1440p display overclocked to 80hz. Honestly so glad you guys suggested it! Had it for ages now.
I am happy when I see there is a Level1Techs posting.
I'm waiting on my Sapphire Pulse RX 580 to arrive. Can't wait!
Perfect timing. I was just looking at a 460 to put in the HP 6200 I picked up over the weekend. So much for that idea. You da' Man Wendell.
Even if you can find these in stock the prices are x2 what they should be. Thanks Miners! I was looking to at very least test run 2 RX580's in Crossfire to bench gaming, comparability and scaling.. Looks like "Wait for Vega" is back on.
one of the best reviews. I already have a sapphire RX 570 8GB and it is great. As for budget setup, I am from the Philippines and for some reason Ryzen processors cost the same or more than an Intel processor and it is the same with GPU. This can hurt AMD....
Well if it helps with the analytics... Wendel you helped me a lot to get more interestet in Computer technic, builds and other technology based subjects. As a Chef who just a fewe years a go didnt have any knowleg of PC Hardware i can say: if not for you i wouldnt have build my own PC and wouldt be saving now to buld my next one. Thanks!
6:45 Described me almost to a T. Currently running an Ivy Bridge quad core and a GTX 660. I'm on queue for an RX 580 for the third week going now. Darn cryptocurrency miners :/
We are so blessed to have a man as smart and charismatic as Wendell willing to make videos for us dumb assholes on the internet. I love you, Wendell!
hey there... i just upgraded from Sapphire Nitro R7 370 4gb to the Sapphire Pulse Rx 570 4gb, now that the mining fever has passed and the MSRP are back in town (short of)
I have to say that i needed to overclock my 370 up to 1075mhz (which for anyone who knows its on the verge of the "limit" allowed by factory GPU BIOS that will crash at 1100mhz -which was a response to the extreme overclock HD 7850 allowed up to 1200mhz which ended up devouring the higher tier 7870- but back to the topic) and then, with that OC i was playing triple A tittles at something like 45ish fps at high settings give or take some fps and some higher or lower quality stuffs depending on tittle... and the newest game i tested it was Far Cry Primal about 2 or 3 monts ago.
When i purchased the Rx 570, i realized what Sapphire did with their "pulse" edition... they are "naked" (no RGB no dual BIOS no factory OC) Nitro Cards... they have the same carcass but they removed all the fancy features that make the Nitro+ a little more expensive... Even my R7 370 box was quite more fancy than the Rx 570 one. But the compromises made to cheapen the price does not affect the natural headroom any dual fan GPU has to overclock at least an 8 to 10% the core and a 10 to 15% the memory. All in all, the raw performance at a friendly price it is exactly what anyone should need
Now with the Rx 570 i play 1080p 60fps (or more, about 75 avg and 57 min on all the games i tested) constant at ultra (MSAA Off which btw noone should use except if playing with GTX1080ti on 1080p 60hz monitor) on every single game i tried.
I could try to overclock, but its just me and my need of pushing the hardware to the limit... not a real gaming need by no means.
The rest of my rig:
Fx8350 @4.4 W/212 Evo
Asus Sabertooth 990Fx R2
16gb HyperX Fury 1866 cl10
120gb SATA3 SSD / 1TB 7200rpm HDD
Kelyx 22' 1080p 60hz 5ms response display
This guy is the perfect example on how to be yourself and natural.
5:20
u're wrong, radeon chill is not to limit max frame rate, it is to intelligently work with player input in games.
one example would be your game stays at 60 fps while u stand still and do nothing and goes up to maximum when u walk around or aim.
amd also added frame rate target control, this piece of software can limit your maximum fps, for example u can put maximum frame rate here to 138 of 144 to surely stay within freesync range.
or u can go radeon chill and set 60- 144 fps etc....
both good features, but radeon chill is not the stupid frame rate limit u make it seem in the video.
I've found that boards with old Phoenix / Award bioses won't post with any R9 series and up cards, but if they have AMI, they will.
2021 - I bought a Dell Vostro 430a i7 for $120, and installed an Sapphire 8Gb RX570 in it and it worked straight away. I do plan on upgrading the power supply though.
Hey Wendell the reason why those GPUs will not boot is because the proprietary power supply and the motherboard. They need a extra 12v at some weird location on the motherboard that their power supply adds.
Benchmarks start at 10.56
... oh wait there are none
c'mon guys D:
more like "upgrade an old oem system" than a graphics card review. but I guess its fine since there are tons of other reviews out there with lots of numbers; and the information he gave are targeted for a different audience than the typical gamers. one thing he mentioned that I believe was wrong is that "the 570 incapable of displaying native 1440p", which is definitely not the case, in fact it can push native 4k @ 120Hz through each of the displayports v1.4. I think what he meant instead is pushing 1440p gaming experience which is true. the 480 is more suited for 1440p gaming but hey the 570 can do it as well. I played many games at 1440p with VSR on my MSI RX 470 @1350Mhz and it did great at high/ultra settings while pushing a solid 60-75fps. there are few exceptions that I have to go back to 1080p while keeping 60+ fps at high/ultra like witcher 3, GTA V with MSAA x2, Watch Dog 2. but almost all other games play nicely on 1440p using the 470.
I really was expecting a "proper" review.
And saying it runs "fine" is not acceptable, how fine was it, give us numbers and facts DX
There are so many cards running things "fine" like there are definitions of "fine".
I have seen other reviews from the likes of gamers nexus and linus tech tips, but I wanted to see the level one take on it too.
I am kinda sad that they decided to exclude data and charts.
there arent any cards available anyway (unless you're willing to pay 1070/1080/1080 ti prices)~
Rufus Rules! It's a fantastic utility for USB sticks. Especially for older BIOS updates. Even new ones. My ASRock AB350 Pro4 AM4 board BIOS would not Internet Flash when shipped. It also did not work from USB flash in the BIOS. I had to boot form a USB drive and run the DOS version; a.k.a. Rufus FreeDOS install..
I wish I had seen this video first before picking up the Saffire RX 580. I was able to get it working in a Dell T5810. I'm not into gaming but I do CG modeling and art on this box. I need to figure out how to tweak it.
that build quality would make a great building block for the mexican wall. ;0
Happy to say my rx570 red dragon 4gb posted the first time I powered it on. Just had to download drivers. Im using the dell 790 I5 2400. Thanks
I just checked Newegg Canada and literally every single one is out of stock. "Thanks Cryptocurrency miners" indeed...
Another great video, let the audience engagement commence XD
thank you great video barely getting into pc building/ upgrading turning an old fossil into a gaming machine
Only if I could get it, they are out of stock everywhere maybe I am better off with using my 7850 for a while longer.
Wait till Q3 2017 for Vega, I guess.
Then those damn miners will buy all the vegas, because I'm quite sure those will mine even better. Unless coins' prices drop, of course.
Heruvilius yup I just ordered a 1070 worst case scenario I can return it in 30 days
nah, from what i understand HBM is terrible for mining compared to gdd memory. no idea why, but that's what i've heard. but what will help is both amd and nvidia are planning on releasing cards specifically for mining. no video ports on them. would be interesting to see if you could cross fire the mining version with the normal gamer version. there's an idea Wendel. when ever they release them try that.
If those cards are more expensive than gaming ones, then miners will still buy gaming ones. So util cryptocurrencies fall, all of us poor gamers (those who don't want to spend over 250 USD for a card) are fucked. Up the ass. With a BBC. Which is painful. =(
with rx480 cards in many cases specially if you had older PSU, you have to have PSU which has more amps on rail(s), that solved problems with POST or ingame crashing for many people, in my case i had older Seasonic S12 500 Watt but it had two 12V rails with 17 amps on each instead of single 24v rail with more amps, i replaced it with cheapo office grade corsair VX500 which had single 24v rail and more amps, system now works like a charm. But since this CX PSU used in this video is better then the one i have, problem lies elsewhere.
The 8GB version costs the same as 1050ti now.
Rx 570 8gb cost me 179. The 1050ti was much more for me. But i think cost/performance is much better than 1050ti
Only if you can manage to find them. They are out of stock(and the ones which are in stock costs like $500) for some Bitcoin or something issue, you can Google it if you wanna know more.
Got both the Sapphire Nitro+ Radeon RX 580 8GB and the Gigabyte AORUS Radeon RX 580 XTR 8GB on order. They are supposed to go into 2 new ryzen systems for a couple of customers. Sigh.
I got a HD6970 to work with a Optiplex 980. OEM mobos often swap pin definitions for ATX-24pin so be careful when replacing the old PSU. You need to jump start the PSU for graphics card and use the stock PSU for everything else, or you can figure out their definition and make your own adapter.
i had a 2008 laptop with 6750 amd card,so i just bought a 150dollar 8g rx580
this card is amazing! i've played every game of early 2020 or 2019 and not a single frame drop
I have an MSI 7950 3GB graphics card. Its still a Beast!
Great review... to the point, informative, and helpful.
Well crap, I wanted to get the same card for a Dell Optiplex 3010. But I assume those won't work either?
speaking somewhat to Sapphires card longevity, my HD6790 i bought in 2011 is still going strong in my mums machine. dont have much to compare it to but Sapphire seem, from this sample of 1, to make a quality card
You know, random bit at the beginning about the dig at driver CDs and all. Why not just include them on a really cheap 4gb flash drive? If they feel like they have to include them, they should at least include them on a device that we can plug into (Basically) anything. Good look at the cards btw.
is it for Ethereum mining?
Gouranga I know had to pull out the old mine
Yep
easy money if you have a card, either by mining or selling the card. freined of mine sold his 4 gb 480 for 400 bucks, paid 189 for it few months ago
Oh fuck of
Other folks mentioned the low power delivery from pcie on oem systems, and that seems the most likely. My question is, are any of these systems booting from a BIOS, or is it all EFI?
Still sticking to my 480. If they supported it in Linux on AMDGPU, it might be fun to get a 580 for cross fire.
Helpful video - currently looking to upgrade my 7850 from 2012. Is this a worthy upgrade given current prices or would a 1070ti be worth the extra money? 2560x1080 gaming here, want more than the 45fps I'm currently getting in PUBG on low everything. Cheers.
I am currently building a ryzen 5 2600 pc with 16gb ram and a b450 gaming plus msi atx board, I might actually get the 580 card for my rig. I only have a 1080p 60hrz benq monitor at 28 inches.Cant wait to play awesome games with it.
What was the 75hz 4K monitor you guys were mentioning you bought for about $1k in a recent video?
Looks like Wendell was having a bad day in those first few minutes.
Useful for me in 2021, as the only thing I could get my hands on in 2021 is a Sapphire RX570 4gb. thanks.
All these cards are out of stock here due to crypto currency mining :(
I have the 580 version in two of my machines. No gamer I, but I do drive 4 or 5 monitors, some uhd. They are very good for my purposes i.e. software development.
Prices have dropped to USD$260 for a MSI 8G OC Armour Mk II with much better cooling. I think that was MSRP when released.
For the non-gamers: RX400, RX500, GT1000 series support hardware decoding of h.265 and vp9 video, so you can keep older and less powerful cpu for multimedia/internet pc. Too bad prices are still a bit high.
bought the RX 570 Pulse today :D
which better msi armor or sapphire pulse (both rx570)?
@@kevinNN343 i would say pulse based on the reviews i saw and read. iut's using the rx 470 nitro+ cooler which is really good. :)
Excellent Video. My EVGA GeForce GTX 950 (only 2gb), 8pin input is getting tired, overheating, fans not working as they should and crashing my self built Asrock Z68 Extreme 4 gen 3, The brain is a 4 core Intel I5-2500 3.3Ghz I think Sandy bridge . I have a Corsair 750 watt modular Power supply,Win 7 Pro 64bit system. This is probably a really dumb question but how does the Sapphire 580 compare to the old 950. Thanks. I don't want to spend a fortune on this old PC. I play WOW, Doom, I guess the most important question is. Do you think it would post. Even though you probably don't have a crystal ball.
Never mind, You must not watch old posts. I purchased Sapphire Radeon Pulse Rx580 and it worked great. I did have to reinstall the software because it was missing the a Cl.dll file.
🙂 cool, yes it shud post, the problem is with oem boards, thx for the update ✌️😏
Is that the 55 inch 75hz 4k Korean Monitor? I love my X-star 1440p panel, cant wait to go 30-40inch 4k!
Also,
How do these two work with Linux? :o
Historically you couldn’t really recommend AMD GPUs for Linux. I think he didn’t want to make the video more negative and left it out for here. I guess it’s not great.
Why wouldn't you recommend a AMD gpu for linux? I'm running a 480 and it's pretty damn nice with AMDGPU, you won't get sound over the HDMI cable tho.
Agreed, the fglrx driver was a basket case that AMD have since abandoned in favour of AMDGPU, which is vastly superior since it works with the open source kernel and userspace display infrastructures rather than reimplimenting them half-arsed.
I feel that the way AMD drivers are setup and presented to new users is very confusing. Buuuuut it could just be me.
sneakeyboard what's confusing about it? You boot up and you're done.
Shame about the no posts. I'm currently running an R9 280 on a 1680 x 1050. Looking to upgrade to 1080 or 1440 soon. Waiting to see Vega before I buy a new GPU though.
still running my r7 260x that I got for $80 about 4 years ago. plan on upgrading soon though!
finally switching from my 750ti 2gb to the rx570 8gb, i love to play on 1080p and the latest game i had to play on 720p
wait!! im still using the same gpu with you (750ti) but i can play on 1080p with decent fps.. which CPU you have?
What about noise and heat? What about Linux support? What about power usage on idle/load?
Got a used RX570 and got it working in an OEM Asus M32AD. Replaced the factory GTX760. Had to upgrade to Windows 10 for driver support though, so won't work on W8.1.
exactly my problem right now..
so glad I got my rx580 Asus 8gb before the price hikes ! still expensive as in new zealand tho and there still some available
Cant wait to see the upgrade from my 7870 to rx 580 that is waiting for me to be delivered :)
would be nice to get a hold of one of these but people seem to be buying them up in bulk for cryptocurrency.
Also great for Ethereum mining.
nicely done overview
i still have a "vostro 200" running a q6600 and a r9 270x (it worked luckily/for an emulation system for a kid)
i'll be waiting on VEGA - currently, still using a R9 270x Sapphire 2GB Dual-X ... good enough with
adjusted graphics for almost any 1080p game - it still died on me almost 15 months ago -
baked it once works perfectly since
probably everyone's running adblock so the analytics are pretty messed up :D
ugh, the back plate is gawdy as hell. What are manufacturers thinking? No RGB so they've got to bling it up elsewhere? Matte black would be nicer.
Do the Problems with older OEM systems perhaps have to do with not having PCIe 3.0? Do older versions of PCIe maybe not provide enough power through the slot?
One year later I finally got an rx580 on my 2010 i5-750 system. Got a rx560 instead last year at normal MRSP. Crazy miners, ironically I got this rx580 from a miner... (Who told me this is not used mining... And I found out.... Idiot.)
HP doesn't want you to upgrade your GPU in their computer. They want you to buy another HP.
Just out of curiosity do they have the same screw layout? If i want to upgrade my 570 i want to be able to transfer my backplate to a 580 without a having to order a new one.
Yes I'm running a R7 260X on a 1440P monitor (freesync) and have to run low to medium settings to keep the frame rates up in modern titles. e.g Doom on lowish @1440p = 40FPS, many older titles I can get 75FPS (max refresh) with tweaked medium to high settings.
My other system has a 7850 on a 1080P monitor (tv actually), I don't play games on this much.
I'd have upgraded to a 480/580 but I'm waiting for Vega as I can't just buy a new graphics card on a whim, I'm on a 3 year minimum cycle for graphics and I'm stretching the old cards and living with low IQ settings because of Vega, specifically because of the memory caching system which will allow playability on games that need more than what's on board.
A 580 would be perfect for my current needs, but I suspect that two years down the track that it'll start falling off performance @1440p whereas a Vega (core) won't. So am I punishing myself unnecessarily with delay after delay of Vega, probably but as the RX 580 is considered borderline for 1440P at max settings, I could be cutting my own throat for titles unreleased if I settle for that.
Engagement, engaged... keep it up guys