Hey Alan, Thanks for the support. It's something I still want to do, and plan to do. Right now life is just too busy! I'm in the midst of a major shop overhaul, and a huge pile of work to get through. I will get back to it at some point. - thanks again for the encouragement!
instead of using nails just clamp a 3" or so wide piece of mdf along each edge. you could even glue one of them perm. in place and just clamp the other side. faster, easier.
That is a good idea, and I should probably make one of my joining boards with a permanent straight edge. One of the reasons that I haven't done this is that it seems like a lot of my wood sets do not have straight edges. Often they have partial tapers from the upper bout to the top of the pattern. The nail method works even with these odd shaped plates.
June 08, 2022: I just bought a Guild D-150CE Westerly Collection Dreadnought Acoustic-Electric Guitar Natural ($1,049.00 + tax). this is a nice sounding all solid wood guitar. But, one side of the top is a lighter color than the other side. I would think if I was truly book-matched, then it would be the same color. What do you think? If it is book-matched, then why are two different shades?
Hi, Josh I glad I made it back for your planing the top and back plate joints video. That one was great, and this glue method is great too. Are you still using fish glue? You’ve never had any problems? Lee Valley sells Old Brown Glue hide glue and I’ve been tempted to try that as it’s supposedly more humidity resistant.
In my 18 years of building I have had 1 failure that I think can be connected to fish glue and humidity. The guitar was put into an extremely high humidity environment for nearly 4 weeks. After which the glue at the bridge and around some of the binding let go (fish glue). I have switched to using more hot hide glue and regular yellow glue, although I have no problem believing that fish glue is fine if the instrument is properly cared for. I know of the Old Brown Glue, but never tried it.
Excellent video, clear views and very helpful! Any reason why I can't replace the row of nails on one side with a board attached to the plywood? I am getting ready to try this for the first time with cedar.
What you are suggesting should work, provided the pieces you are gluing are straight along the outside edge. Sometime depending on the size of the plate and how it came from the supplier I may not have straight outside edges to work with. If this is the case I can still run nails down the irregular outside and everything will still work. Hope that makes sense. But give your method a try. You should be able to do a dry run (no glue) and see how it is going to work out before you try the real thing.
@@joshuahouseguitars Awesome, thank you for the helpful reply! The outside edges are dead straight. I am using Western Red Cedar that I have milled, resawn, and drum sanded to create practice pieces. Once I get it right, then I will use actual tonewood. Your method looks better, simpler and more gentle on the wood than the traditional rope/wedge method.
It saddens me that you don't make videos anymore. I have learned so much from you. Even watching the videos multiple times, I learn more. Thanks
Hey Alan, Thanks for the support. It's something I still want to do, and plan to do. Right now life is just too busy! I'm in the midst of a major shop overhaul, and a huge pile of work to get through. I will get back to it at some point. - thanks again for the encouragement!
Excellent demonstration of this joining method which was described by Irving Sloane in his book, Classic Guitar Construction (1976).
I just loved it mr, that's really easy and economic technic for people who beginner making guitar, thanks for your sharing
I use this method. Learned it from the book "Classic Guitar Construction" by Irving Sloan, 1966. I read the book in 1972. ;-)
Great, I've got the plywood and it doesn't have to be confusing.....Thanks!
Glad to help
Perfect Idea 👍❤️
Thanks for this idea, I like it better
instead of using nails just clamp a 3" or so wide piece of mdf along each edge. you could even glue one of them perm. in place and just clamp the other side. faster, easier.
That is a good idea, and I should probably make one of my joining boards with a permanent straight edge. One of the reasons that I haven't done this is that it seems like a lot of my wood sets do not have straight edges. Often they have partial tapers from the upper bout to the top of the pattern. The nail method works even with these odd shaped plates.
This is brilliant! You just made it Much easier to make a top for a hurdy gurdy build. :)
Glad you found it helpful.
June 08, 2022: I just bought a Guild D-150CE Westerly Collection Dreadnought Acoustic-Electric Guitar Natural ($1,049.00 + tax). this is a nice sounding all solid wood guitar. But, one side of the top is a lighter color than the other side. I would think if I was truly book-matched, then it would be the same color. What do you think? If it is book-matched, then why are two different shades?
Hi, Josh I glad I made it back for your planing the top and back plate joints video. That one was great, and this glue method is great too. Are you still using fish glue? You’ve never had any problems? Lee Valley sells Old Brown Glue hide glue and I’ve been tempted to try that as it’s supposedly more humidity resistant.
In my 18 years of building I have had 1 failure that I think can be connected to fish glue and humidity. The guitar was put into an extremely high humidity environment for nearly 4 weeks. After which the glue at the bridge and around some of the binding let go (fish glue). I have switched to using more hot hide glue and regular yellow glue, although I have no problem believing that fish glue is fine if the instrument is properly cared for. I know of the Old Brown Glue, but never tried it.
@@joshuahouseguitars That’s really great to know! Now I feel safe to use it. Thanks.
Excellent video, clear views and very helpful! Any reason why I can't replace the row of nails on one side with a board attached to the plywood? I am getting ready to try this for the first time with cedar.
What you are suggesting should work, provided the pieces you are gluing are straight along the outside edge. Sometime depending on the size of the plate and how it came from the supplier I may not have straight outside edges to work with. If this is the case I can still run nails down the irregular outside and everything will still work. Hope that makes sense. But give your method a try. You should be able to do a dry run (no glue) and see how it is going to work out before you try the real thing.
@@joshuahouseguitars Awesome, thank you for the helpful reply! The outside edges are dead straight. I am using Western Red Cedar that I have milled, resawn, and drum sanded to create practice pieces. Once I get it right, then I will use actual tonewood. Your method looks better, simpler and more gentle on the wood than the traditional rope/wedge method.
Would it be easier just to nail a stick of wood on both sides? Guess that might have to be deeper and more difficult to remove the nails.
Caveman stuff