I really like the fakemon designs but there are a lot of bugs and wrong English translation for a lot of the dialogues Hopefully the bugs will be fixed because I really like this game!
Lead developer of vanguard here, thank you for showcasing the game! It was updated a couple weeks ago and features a few things that weren't mentioned here: 30 starters (gen 1-9) Gen 9 pokemon 150+ regional variants
I want a rom hack with RTS elements. Build a town, manage citizens, building's, income, etc while adventuring around the region. Think Medieval Dynasty meets Pokemon lol
Got some more ideas for a Pokemon fan game. Pokemon Jenny and Joy: This game covers the origins of the first officer Jenny and nurse Joy. Two sisters go on a Pokemon journey, one wants to be a healer while the other want to catch rouge Pokemon Trainers. Both are in pursuit of a mysterious garden containing very rare Pokemon berries, and it was also rumored that those how eat the rarest berries in the center of the garden will have immortality (meaning you will give birth to children that will share your image, name, and passion).
good day ruffled! i am mari and im a part of The manegement team of pokemon myth! and i want to thank you for your recommendation on this video! were working hard to complete the ravamp of the game so much more is to come!
Hey Rowlit, love the videos, but the screen movement makes me a little sick sometimes. I'd love to finish watching the videos, but I think this is the second or third one I've had to stop because of it. Much love, thank you for the content
I really like the future one and the French one at the end. I watched you play your own on the deserted island a while back on your channel it was a pretty cool experience
I guess I'll answer my own question then. It's nowhere near complete, only 3 badges in up to Vermillion City. For a game that's been in the works since 2012 I thought it'd be further along. It's got good graphics & decent fakemon though. The story is like the first red & blue game with some twists.
Only one ive played so far fan amde wise was Pokemon Uranium and it was fantastic. I was hopeful for pokemon phoenix rising but I think that one might have been bailed on.
i dont play a ton of roms, but me personally idk, i dont really like having mega evolutions, z moves, super hard difficulty, pokemon fusions, fakemon, i just want a really good story, with up to around gen 1-6 pokemon as i grew up with those, the ones that really interest me are the cool premise ones like pokemon crown being in like an ancient time, some of the post apocolypic ones, and the ones that are just really narritive driven but aside from that not too many features, also the ones with really beautiful D.S./GBA graphics are cool to see, what should i play?
Give Pokémon Unbound a try. It's like most a romhack of FireRed, but completely unrecognizable. Totally new region with a decent story. You can even customize your character to some degree. Somehow the graphics are a mix between gen 4 and gen 5, despite it being based on gen 3. Difficulty settings are highly customizable, so it's as hard as you want. Almost all pokemon up until gen 7 are available, and they are spread out quite well. As for the stuff you probably don't really like, there are Mega Evolutions. But they're not THAT important and you don't get them early. There's also sidequests, but those are optional and automatically tracked. Easily the best romhack I've played.
i get what you are saying my guy, but please be more respectful sounding, the reason that there are not that many completed projects is because the people making these fangames are 1. not getting paid a dime and 2. not feeling appreciated so they burn out on their passion projects due to the overall stress. it's important that devs feel appreciated at all times, not just when they finish the project.
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Great video, but oh boy is the ever moving screen making me sick. Maybe make the looping animation a bit slower could remove the problem, or just make it static.
I got some fan game ideas someone could try. Pokemon Breakout: Where you play a jailbird in prison who is involved in a jailbreak plan. It mostly involves special jail pokeballs made in secret. Pokemon Sticky Glob Run: This game is where you have no Pokemon to battle for you. Your only weapon is the Sticky Globs (from Legends of Arceus). Pokemon Fatherhood: You play as someone who has a wife that is pregnant. And you go on a journey to help provide and improve the conditions of your growing family. Pokemon Beinka and Lateas: You play as Beanka and Lateas as they go visit Ash Ketchum. Pokemon Wednesday vs Pugsley: This is the Addams Family in the Pokemon World. You choose between Wednesday or Pugsley as they gear up for the Addams Family Pokemon tournament. Pokemon Gilligan's Island: You play as either Gilligan or Marry Ann as the castaways us Pokemon battles to make due to their dire situation. Pokemon Fairy Tales: A reenactments of the classic fairy tails but as Pokemon Trainers.
loved this gym of mine... at least for the 10 minuets it let me enjoy it for before soft locking me after talking to the mayor of the town you will be the gym leader at. is there a way to fix the glitch? (I tried with 2 different types but the same thing happened). maybe I downloaded an incomplete version. any help would be awesome I miss my dragon and fairy teams.
imo Rocket Red is pretty solid, as the name suggests it's fire red but you're a team rocket grunt. Its got a pretty fun alternate story. Besides that, id also recommend advanced difficulty catch em all hacks like Inclement Emerald. Tho these kinds of hacks tend to buff/rework a lot of pokemon and tend not to touch any story elements, so it might not be your cup of tea.
@@theonlyshinyumbreon i really liked Crown a lot, though a new story/region but with existing Pokemon/no mega’s is maybe too much to ask for. I’ll check out Rocket Red though cheers
@@TG-qo6rx a few hours after my first comment I decided I'd start playing through pokemon floral tempus, and so far it seems to fit what you're looking for. So far every pokemon has been vanilla, and npcs in some of the early towns say stuff that basically boils down to "yeah this region has every pokemon." It _does_ have megas, but it seems to just be the vanilla ones.
Something a bit... different I'd recommend. I say different, because it's not a fan game, it's a mod to a fan game. Which is the content mod for Pokemon Empyrean, Edge of Eternity. While Empyrean was completed like a year ago? maybe more? now, and Edge of Eternity has definitely existed for 4+ years, Edge of Eternity 2.0 was only released a few months ago. EoE 2.0 is complete, and was redesigned for Empyrean's final update. So... a word of warning here. Edge of Eternity is NOT an easy experience, nor is it a traditional experience in most regards. Pokemon Empyrean contains a pretty expansive postgame, with 3 quests in particular that really stood out. The fight against Grimm, which is a gigantic puzzle fight where his team is quite literally custom made and unfair, the developer battle, which is just... straight BS, in the fun way, or not so fun way, ;) - and lastly, what is known as The Rainbow Quest. The Rainbow Quest is essentially a hidden quest. And it's super cryptic and obscure. This quest rewards you with what might be the strongest "pokemon" ever created. (quite literally. It can get in the tens of thousands in stats.) This quest requires you to do stuff like solve ciphers, morse code, fight insanely overpowered trainer battles, etc. Competely different from normal pokemon experiences. Edge of Eternity is essentially a nearly full game sized content expansion mod that is entirely based around the gameplay experience of the rainbow quest. It has insane puzzles. It has unfair bosses. It has extreme challenges. And it doesn't give you jack in terms of hints or instructions for most of it. Edge of Eternity is probably the most genuine fun I've ever had playing a Pokemon game, period. It's unfair and insane in the best and worst of ways. You'll go from enjoying a nice, easy section of neat wild pokemon and easy not-level-capped trainers.... to being stuck solving some god awful insane puzzle for 4 hours to fighting a level capped borderline cheating trainer boss fight that has a full team of legendaries with custom movesets that are absolutely busted. You'll go from looking for npcs for a hide and seek quest, to traversing a god awful water maze that's just pure suffering, to grinding for already maxed out legendaries with a like 1/10 shiny rate to playing sudoku. As someone that has played just about every form of pokemon experience one can think of, and who used to be extremely competitive professionally, I can solidly say that I haven't enjoyed a pokemon experience to the extent I've been enjoying my EoE playthrough (even if it makes me want to uninstall it at times...) at any point in my life. Pokemon Empyrean itself is a great game. 10/10. One of, if not actually my all-time favorite, fan games. But Edge of Eternity just skyrockets it up there. Because what Empyrean was missing was that unfair [redacted] that you experience when doing Insurgence hard mode's first gym. That sense of "wtf am I supposed to do here?". It only has that in like 3 fights. EoE has that in spades. I still don't even know where to start with some of the fights I've found. Like this one that just removes 90% of your entire team's health and has a marshadow with a priority move. And btw, on hard mode, you can't use items during any major trainer battle. So no, I can't just waste a turn on a full restore, even though I have 1500 of them. It's an amazing experience. It WILL make you better at Pokemon. And it WILL make you better at math and logic puzzles. And it WILL make you rage at it. And it WILL make you laugh and cry and smile and have genuine fun. 12/10, can't recommend enough. Just don't [redacted] spoil stuff for people. ;) It's part of the fun not being able to find answers to literally anything anywhere~ Even if some of it really should have answers because screw calculus.
@lunitunesofficial I'm trying to play your game on Android with a controller problem is the d pad and analog stick doesn't register can you help with the mapping settings on Joi Play please
@@ioxic_yt from experience, insurgence is alright, imo its not worth the hype, its fun but uranium is better, my personal favorite fan gam is easily pokemon infinite fusions, but red rocket is a great one
@@colossalnate156 Yeah insurgence is good, but not that good, Uranium on the other hand is my personal favorite among all fan pokemon games, its just overall very good game. But when it comes to story I think Xenoverse stands on top for me atleast, it is done so good. Never tried those you mentioned, but I might check them out.
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Lead developer of Pokemon Myth here! Thank you for featuring our game in your showcase, we really appreciate the support and love!
I really like the fakemon designs but there are a lot of bugs and wrong English translation for a lot of the dialogues
Hopefully the bugs will be fixed because I really like this game!
@@AditBasu Our team is hard at working polishing the game for the upcoming final release!
@@lunagraceofficiallet's go!
Looking forward for the completion of the game 😊
Wanna cooperate with me for the first pokemon scratch fangame ?
Lead developer of vanguard here, thank you for showcasing the game! It was updated a couple weeks ago and features a few things that weren't mentioned here:
30 starters (gen 1-9)
Gen 9 pokemon
150+ regional variants
WOOOOOO!! KINGAMBIT, CLODSIRE, AND REVAVROOM RIGHT?
Sorry, but I just gotta ask those are my favorites out of the new group.
can i have the link to ur discord or game?
@@broke9131 just google it
Is it playable on Android?
Is vanguard complete?
I never get motion sickness, but I feel pretty close with the way the video is constantly shaking
I wish someone would make a full on Pokemon Contest/coordinator battles type of game, I've always liked that idea.
The camera shake was not it
I want a rom hack with RTS elements. Build a town, manage citizens, building's, income, etc while adventuring around the region. Think Medieval Dynasty meets Pokemon lol
Got some more ideas for a Pokemon fan game.
Pokemon Jenny and Joy: This game covers the origins of the first officer Jenny and nurse Joy. Two sisters go on a Pokemon journey, one wants to be a healer while the other want to catch rouge Pokemon Trainers. Both are in pursuit of a mysterious garden containing very rare Pokemon berries, and it was also rumored that those how eat the rarest berries in the center of the garden will have immortality (meaning you will give birth to children that will share your image, name, and passion).
good day ruffled! i am mari and im a part of The manegement team of pokemon myth! and i want to thank you for your recommendation on this video! were working hard to complete the ravamp of the game so much more is to come!
honestly wish you didnt have the window moving around as you show off screenshots/gameplay, it starts to hurt my eyes after a while
People who come here after looking at thumbnail 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Hey Rowlit, love the videos, but the screen movement makes me a little sick sometimes. I'd love to finish watching the videos, but I think this is the second or third one I've had to stop because of it.
Much love, thank you for the content
I really like the future one and the French one at the end. I watched you play your own on the deserted island a while back on your channel it was a pretty cool experience
Wait holy shot we actually got in a Top fan games list! ❤😊
Thanks for the Floral Tempus praise!
a Deserted island and your only companion is a Spheal named Wilson.... i see what you did there. ;)
I'm so glad Daybreak got in here, it's easily my favorite fangame.
yeah, i dont see daybreak talked about much in these types of videos, definitely one of my favorite fangames
Thank you so much for the showcase! Keep up the good work! 🌲
How complete is the game? It looks really well done.
I guess I'll answer my own question then. It's nowhere near complete, only 3 badges in up to Vermillion City. For a game that's been in the works since 2012 I thought it'd be further along. It's got good graphics & decent fakemon though. The story is like the first red & blue game with some twists.
@@koiboybud-dbee4556 ok thanks got it
I just need fan games with all new pokemon, starters, legendarys. Thats what i would play
Awesome games as always!
Glad you like them! and thanks for watching :))
this was really helpful bro
love the vids keep up the good work👍
Pokémon insurgence the goat
Only one ive played so far fan amde wise was Pokemon Uranium and it was fantastic. I was hopeful for pokemon phoenix rising but I think that one might have been bailed on.
Finally a video with interesting sounding games thank you
i dont play a ton of roms, but me personally idk, i dont really like having mega evolutions, z moves, super hard difficulty, pokemon fusions, fakemon, i just want a really good story, with up to around gen 1-6 pokemon as i grew up with those, the ones that really interest me are the cool premise ones like pokemon crown being in like an ancient time, some of the post apocolypic ones, and the ones that are just really narritive driven but aside from that not too many features, also the ones with really beautiful D.S./GBA graphics are cool to see, what should i play?
also, the pokemon following you is always a huge plus! im a big fan of immersive RPGS
Literally asking the same here, I’m in the same boat as you
Give Pokémon Unbound a try. It's like most a romhack of FireRed, but completely unrecognizable. Totally new region with a decent story. You can even customize your character to some degree. Somehow the graphics are a mix between gen 4 and gen 5, despite it being based on gen 3.
Difficulty settings are highly customizable, so it's as hard as you want.
Almost all pokemon up until gen 7 are available, and they are spread out quite well.
As for the stuff you probably don't really like, there are Mega Evolutions. But they're not THAT important and you don't get them early. There's also sidequests, but those are optional and automatically tracked.
Easily the best romhack I've played.
Can’t wait for my Pokémon fangame to be in one “Top 10 Pokémon fan games to play in 2025!” Lol
Can you do some best of all time instead and some dex reviews, I really miss completed projects :-/ Still loved the vid!!
i get what you are saying my guy, but please be more respectful sounding, the reason that there are not that many completed projects is because the people making these fangames are 1. not getting paid a dime and 2. not feeling appreciated so they burn out on their passion projects due to the overall stress. it's important that devs feel appreciated at all times, not just when they finish the project.
Great video, but oh boy is the ever moving screen making me sick. Maybe make the looping animation a bit slower could remove the problem, or just make it static.
Hey dev on all these games! Thanks for highlighting my games!
First time I've heard of Pokemon Day Break! That sounds fantastic
i'd love to play a ROM hack that starts with pokemon version red then same trainer goes to pokemon version silver and then emerald.
The way the screen keeps moving around makes me want to say “buy a tripod”
Pokemon Godra is my favorite right now because of the diverse choices and jobs
Pokemon Vanguard doesn't have a timestamp and it says Pokemon Azure at the bottom of the video when you talk about it
I got some fan game ideas someone could try.
Pokemon Breakout: Where you play a jailbird in prison who is involved in a jailbreak plan. It mostly involves special jail pokeballs made in secret.
Pokemon Sticky Glob Run: This game is where you have no Pokemon to battle for you. Your only weapon is the Sticky Globs (from Legends of Arceus).
Pokemon Fatherhood: You play as someone who has a wife that is pregnant. And you go on a journey to help provide and improve the conditions of your growing family.
Pokemon Beinka and Lateas: You play as Beanka and Lateas as they go visit Ash Ketchum.
Pokemon Wednesday vs Pugsley: This is the Addams Family in the Pokemon World. You choose between Wednesday or Pugsley as they gear up for the Addams Family Pokemon tournament.
Pokemon Gilligan's Island: You play as either Gilligan or Marry Ann as the castaways us Pokemon battles to make due to their dire situation.
Pokemon Fairy Tales: A reenactments of the classic fairy tails but as Pokemon Trainers.
Take a shot everytime he says "This might be the game for you"
I tried floral tempus and it was too hard. It's ridiculous how everyone uses leftovers
Dang. Gonna have to keep a flash drive for all these
Is pokemon fan game considered as Rpg maker game? Or it's a mix that can either be GBA or Rpg maker?
How did bro not even mention the GOATs Pokemon Realidea System and Pokemon Opalo
loved this gym of mine... at least for the 10 minuets it let me enjoy it for before soft locking me after talking to the mayor of the town you will be the gym leader at. is there a way to fix the glitch? (I tried with 2 different types but the same thing happened). maybe I downloaded an incomplete version. any help would be awesome I miss my dragon and fairy teams.
the weird motion effect on the vid is giving me motion sickness
The way you pronounce the french title in like an Italian accent 😭
Pokemon azure is broken. The tiles are missing so I have black spaces all over the screen where stuff isn't showing
Why is the video constantly shaking? It's hard on my eyes.
pokewilds is lit. challenging but so much fun.
Like it literally has randomly generated wolds and pokemon farming yet no one talks about it
@@litten1767 it’s incredibly underrated
Any actual good romhacks that don’t have mega evo’s/fakemon/fusions?
imo Rocket Red is pretty solid, as the name suggests it's fire red but you're a team rocket grunt. Its got a pretty fun alternate story.
Besides that, id also recommend advanced difficulty catch em all hacks like Inclement Emerald. Tho these kinds of hacks tend to buff/rework a lot of pokemon and tend not to touch any story elements, so it might not be your cup of tea.
@@theonlyshinyumbreon i really liked Crown a lot, though a new story/region but with existing Pokemon/no mega’s is maybe too much to ask for. I’ll check out Rocket Red though cheers
@@TG-qo6rx a few hours after my first comment I decided I'd start playing through pokemon floral tempus, and so far it seems to fit what you're looking for. So far every pokemon has been vanilla, and npcs in some of the early towns say stuff that basically boils down to "yeah this region has every pokemon." It _does_ have megas, but it seems to just be the vanilla ones.
@@theonlyshinyumbreon thank you for this mate. I checked it out and it actually looks really promising. Downloading it as we speak🤞
@@theonlyshinyumbreon update: found a shiny caterpie on the first route😭 are the shiny rates reduced?
No Pokemon Emerald Rogue or Pokemon Infinite Fusion, or even Pokemon 3D, wuuuuuuuuuuuut
Which one has the most animated sprites and abilities in battle
All these fan games look good.
i'd like the thumbnail illustration but can't find anything under the name given in the description
Maybe the newest patch of Daybreak is bugged? I can save in the game, but when I close and load the game, it does not record my data
This is a good list, but what does the thumbnail have to do with anything?
Been waiting for this one!
Something a bit... different I'd recommend. I say different, because it's not a fan game, it's a mod to a fan game.
Which is the content mod for Pokemon Empyrean, Edge of Eternity.
While Empyrean was completed like a year ago? maybe more? now, and Edge of Eternity has definitely existed for 4+ years, Edge of Eternity 2.0 was only released a few months ago.
EoE 2.0 is complete, and was redesigned for Empyrean's final update.
So... a word of warning here.
Edge of Eternity is NOT an easy experience, nor is it a traditional experience in most regards.
Pokemon Empyrean contains a pretty expansive postgame, with 3 quests in particular that really stood out. The fight against Grimm, which is a gigantic puzzle fight where his team is quite literally custom made and unfair, the developer battle, which is just... straight BS, in the fun way, or not so fun way, ;) - and lastly, what is known as The Rainbow Quest.
The Rainbow Quest is essentially a hidden quest. And it's super cryptic and obscure. This quest rewards you with what might be the strongest "pokemon" ever created. (quite literally. It can get in the tens of thousands in stats.) This quest requires you to do stuff like solve ciphers, morse code, fight insanely overpowered trainer battles, etc. Competely different from normal pokemon experiences.
Edge of Eternity is essentially a nearly full game sized content expansion mod that is entirely based around the gameplay experience of the rainbow quest.
It has insane puzzles. It has unfair bosses. It has extreme challenges. And it doesn't give you jack in terms of hints or instructions for most of it.
Edge of Eternity is probably the most genuine fun I've ever had playing a Pokemon game, period.
It's unfair and insane in the best and worst of ways.
You'll go from enjoying a nice, easy section of neat wild pokemon and easy not-level-capped trainers....
to being stuck solving some god awful insane puzzle for 4 hours
to fighting a level capped borderline cheating trainer boss fight that has a full team of legendaries with custom movesets that are absolutely busted.
You'll go from looking for npcs for a hide and seek quest, to traversing a god awful water maze that's just pure suffering, to grinding for already maxed out legendaries with a like 1/10 shiny rate to playing sudoku.
As someone that has played just about every form of pokemon experience one can think of, and who used to be extremely competitive professionally, I can solidly say that I haven't enjoyed a pokemon experience to the extent I've been enjoying my EoE playthrough (even if it makes me want to uninstall it at times...) at any point in my life.
Pokemon Empyrean itself is a great game. 10/10. One of, if not actually my all-time favorite, fan games.
But Edge of Eternity just skyrockets it up there.
Because what Empyrean was missing was that unfair [redacted] that you experience when doing Insurgence hard mode's first gym.
That sense of "wtf am I supposed to do here?".
It only has that in like 3 fights.
EoE has that in spades.
I still don't even know where to start with some of the fights I've found. Like this one that just removes 90% of your entire team's health and has a marshadow with a priority move.
And btw, on hard mode, you can't use items during any major trainer battle. So no, I can't just waste a turn on a full restore, even though I have 1500 of them.
It's an amazing experience.
It WILL make you better at Pokemon.
And it WILL make you better at math and logic puzzles.
And it WILL make you rage at it.
And it WILL make you laugh and cry and smile and have genuine fun.
12/10, can't recommend enough.
Just don't [redacted] spoil stuff for people. ;)
It's part of the fun not being able to find answers to literally anything anywhere~
Even if some of it really should have answers because screw calculus.
With all due respect to your amazing work… That's the most hilarious pronunciation of Forêt Éternelle I've ever heard.
Yeah. Didn't expect anything, but still got surprised ahah
pretty sure lets go isnt a fangame but ok i will try it out thx for the recomendation:)
But how to download Pokemon this gym of mine anyways in android??
Which of these games are completed except floral tempus?
Where do you get these?
Are these only for computer or for android gba?
im actually surprise that pokemon unbound wasn't in the list
Where can I find these games to play ? Can anyone please hook me up with a safe source 🙏
Cool list but what's with the shakes?
forey eternelle take place in a new form of kanto
Love the review
Thanks so much mah dude
@lunitunesofficial I'm trying to play your game on Android with a controller problem is the d pad and analog stick doesn't register can you help with the mapping settings on Joi Play please
pokemon floral tempus is nice but no speed up please help
Are these also for gba emulator on mobile?
Any pokemon fan games that dont use natures evs and ivs or anyone of those
Where can you get these games? I would love to play
Do you need a emulator for these?
Can I play fangames on my ipad because I don’t own a PC
Pokemon gba with gen 1-9 starters n all pokemon?
Pokemon inbound
@@19uzumaki86 it updated that?
Where do i download these games safely though.
What Emulator is best to play these games on?
They doesn’t need emulator
9:31 Don't pronounce the "t" of "forêt" , neither the last "e" of " éternelle"
so it's more like : " forê éternell"
Are the Games playable for gba??
does anyone have the link to download azure? i cant find it anywhere
help pls
Thanks ruffled
What is this Pixar Wakanda How to train your dragon ass beat ?! Starts at 6:00
Why is Pokemon Crown not in there tho?
ugh no links to download i have to manually search smh
Where can I play these?
level caps aren't a good thing
Pokémon fusion not on this sadge.
Where can I download gym of mine
Can we get these on gba carriage
Padme: None of these games have a story, right?
Anakin:
Padme: None of these games have a story, right?!
Where is pokemon opalo
where is the completed one here
gba rom hacks ? will these work on emulator?
Usually, yes.
Very cool 😎
Links for downloads please these look good as
i want some 3d games :(
why is everything shaking?
can these games be played on a gba emulator on mobile?
Is vanguard complete?
nah, it won't be for a while
Do I need an emulator for any of these?
No
Honestly, there are no better fan games than Insurgence, Uranium and Xenoverse, no other fan games can offer such good stories and gameplay.
Reborn, Rejunevation, Unbound, Red Rocket, Infinity
@@SillyKiwiFtaghn Not even close to the ones I mentioned...
@@ioxic_yt Reborn and Rejunevation offers way more challenge and diversity in battles. You fool.
@@ioxic_yt from experience, insurgence is alright, imo its not worth the hype, its fun but uranium is better, my personal favorite fan gam is easily pokemon infinite fusions, but red rocket is a great one
@@colossalnate156 Yeah insurgence is good, but not that good, Uranium on the other hand is my personal favorite among all fan pokemon games, its just overall very good game. But when it comes to story I think Xenoverse stands on top for me atleast, it is done so good. Never tried those you mentioned, but I might check them out.
Descriptions were great and helpful but this was a terrible watch that triggered my vertigo horribly with the unneeded bouncing...