@@nnnn_o8o It sucks that we didn’t see Clint in it because the reason why Black Widow and his relationship was strong was because of what they went through in Budapest, but he was only mentioned ://
I really love that when Scarjo is basically being sexually harassed in interviews, she calls them out completely and doesn't back down Mam you are an icon.
It’s just a shame that Marvel doesn’t trust the audience enough to give us an actual solo Black Widow movie, so they give us Black Widow and her more likeable friends, Florence Pugh and David Harbour stole this movie, oh well, roll on Hawkeye.
EXACTLY. i wanted to see a SOLO black widow movie, one that actually revealed the secrets that made natasha interesting. but then they just introduced a bunch of new characters so kevin feige could have a family dynamic in the movie.
I’m not sure. At the end of the day they can only do so much with an already very established character. Without just doing a Ragnarok again which to be fair I wouldn’t be mad at. And if every character was as generally serious as Natasha is, it would have been a boring typical action movie not really offering much in the way of charisma so they did well with what they had
I'm so upset at this. They did Scarlett Johansson so dirty. So they gave Brie Larson and Captin Marvel her own movie. Before Black Widow, a character that has been around since Iron Man 2. Cause the old farts at Disney didn't think a female led superhero movie could sell. Which makes no sense, since Scarlett was already an A list actress. I'm gonna quote Jeremy Jahans in his review. The movie we all wanted to see in 2014
Blame Ike "Pearlbutter", he was more in charge at Marvel than Fiege at the time, and he cited how Catwoman and Elektra were prime examples of why female-led superhero movies "don't work" 🙄
Because black widow is a pretty uninteresting character considering the fact that she doesn't have any powers. There's a reason Hawkeye didn't get a movie although he has a show slated to release sometime this year. They're gonna make movies about the big guns first before making movies and shows abt side characters.
@@unamedunamed7384 any of the interesting female superheroes for Marvel are mostly in the X-Men. But still even without super powers they could have made an a Spy movie for Black Widow. Something along the lines of Captin America 2. Disney had everything to make a hit movie with Black Widow and chose not to.
He spoke perfect English in the beginning of the film then he speaks with a Russian accent in broken English later in the movie. That's a bigger issue.
I really didn't want to believe the first reviews when they said that Natasha became a side character IN HER OWN MOVIE. But after watching it, I'm kinda disappointed. They should've started off when Natasha was first taken IMO cause you can clearly tell just from the cold open that the story wasn't focused on her. She deserved better.
It's a trend Marvel has been doing. Sam & Bucky were side characters in their show against John Walker. Loki was a side character to the female version of himself, Sylvie. Now Natasha is a side character to Yelena. I don't like this new pattern.
@@6thgraderfriends I disagree with Sam and Bucky being side characters against John Walker, Sam being the main character and Bucky being sidelined is acceptable. The Loki one is spot on though.
@@6thgraderfriends I disagree with Sam and Bucky but definitely agree with Loki. I just feel like Marvel is actually done with characters that were on focus for 10yrs like BW and Loki but can't say farewell to them bcs of fans
It didn’t feel like Thor’s, Capps, Tony’s, Hulks, Visions, Wandas, or Black Panthers origin stories. They didn’t really want to make her a movie, that’s the why the story has no meaningful depth.
@@boodesultan12 that’s the only thing from her movie that matched the other movies. There weren’t even cameos, like Steve and Natasha meeting up or anything.
Tbh they did want to make Black Widow movie but its just that because of the Ike Perlmutter situation, it just was too late to make a decent one... I mean Marvel Studios wanted a R rated Black Widow movie before Iron Man and kickstart the MCU with that but that didn't happen & its pretty clear that Feige wanted to make one after Age of Ultron but the Ike Perlmutter situation was resolved at a time when Infinity Saga was coming to an end and Marvel Studios became too much busy producing 3 movies simultaneously (IW, CAPTAIN MARVEL & ENDGAME) ... So the story they had in their hands wasn't top notch bit they just wanted to be done with it & give the black Widow mantle to someone new.. but i do think the movie we got could've done better with a better analysed story
@@purityandaspiration yeah but as high as it grossed in cinemas, captain marvel should never have come out in between the two concluding infinity saga movies. introducing a new character that late, just to set her up so she can give us another mediocre thor tier marvel romp and destroy thanos' ship was the shittiest move towards scarjo. sure, we are setting up new characters in upcoming phase 4 movies, but scarjo earned that goddamn black widow movie. the first movie i remember going to see, was the first avengers movie at my childhood cinema, and the only thoughts i remember are "wow, she looks like me!" and "when is the black widow movie going to happen?"
@@npcimknot958 It's not the character that's sucking everyone in, it's the portrayal of the character that Florence Pugh does that people enjoy - with all of the improv, or the things brought into the movie based off of things she said/did on set. That's what made her character everyone's favourite.
Yeah one movie could’ve been her childhood/trauma from the red room and escaping it, then another movie would be her whole run in with the Winter Soldier and her getting recruited for shield/Budapest
They really could've given her a solo series. From the first big team-up film everyone's been asking what happened in Budapest. They could've done a film about that, and it's also give them a chance to expand on Clint's character cause boy did he need it.
It was just an okay movie for me. a Black Widow 1 movie should have been the beginning 10min Prologue, then Red Room growing up (not as a montage but at least show how they are really trained/treated there). Afterwards, Natasha going on Team or Solo Missions eventually wanting to escape from it. That is when she stumbles on to Shield and/or Bartan. Leading up to the Climax Mission of Budapest. After they escape from the Special Forces, Natasha should have reported to Fury for her first mission and Fury would have given her Tony Stark's File. This would not contradict any established lore in my opinion as in Natasha's mind, the Red Room is gone. Though she still did not care to try and rejoin with Yelena. Whether this has something to do with what happened in the Red Room or a clause in her arrangement with Shield, I don't know. The second half of this movie we got could have been a Black Widow 2 where Nat realizes the Red Room is still active. By separating this part into its own movie as a sequel they can better establish and build up characters rather than just building up Yelena and Alexei (depending on how you look at how they used Alexei). But it was really too late to make my idea for a Black Widow 1 as they needed to have done it before Civil War I believe. And Black Widow 2 could have come after which makes it more properly line up with the releases.
The opening credits were the best part of the movie hands down, that should have been the movie. The red room, the Thriller, the grittyness, the dark origin story we all wanted. And as you said: it should have happened way earlier.
You wrote everything that I’ve been thinking, it also would’ve been cool to include her run in with the Winter Soldier and this could’ve been set before CA:Winter Soldier… *sigh*
‘It feels like the third movie in a story arc that we never got’ damn dude, how do you always put my feelings into words so perfectly!! Great video and insights as always
the opening credits scenes was by far the best part of the movie. the song cover was haunting and worked so well with the theme of exploited girls. Florence Pugh is always a Win.
Where is the Black Widow origin movie...Scarlett Johansson deserves one man, after all her service to Marvel, instead she's a side character to setup Yelena Black Widow... Also making Taskmaster a mute character is the worst decision, ever... Well the cast was great tho..
It’s no secret that this movie was Pugh’s introduction. They literally said as much during production because Yelena is going to be taking the mantle and will be the be the new frontrunner of the MCU and will also continue the rest of the Black Widow trilogy around her. So it’s not supposed to feel like just a Natasha story as it has to work as the first in yelenas trilogy also. But I agree that Natasha should’ve gotten her own trilogy long ago, and not just a role in a different black widows trilogy 10 years later.
*Except that it wasn’t. I think they employed their typical representation of internal character, the light emanating an awakening. I love that Melina explained the science of it, because she never had the heart to see what truly lied before her, while Yelena (and Nat) always did and questioned the fireflies, representing whether there was any sense of family love to begin with.*
Everything else aside, Pugh is a great addition to the MCU, she feels grounded in a way that most of the characters don’t, but she pulls off quippy better than anyone else! “It has a lot of pockets, but I use them all the time!” And “I knew it, it’s so cool right? And you can put so much stuff in there. You wouldn’t even know.” Its the best scene in the movie!!!!
@@alejandrobayetonunez9486 I never said it was particularly deep, but that’s the symbolic significance I took from it, given pieces of dialogue throughout the film that repeatedly communicated this theme.
The thing I really couldn't get over in this was the daughter being a little girl when Natasha (an adult) supposedly killed her, but being 41 year old Olga Kurylenko, who is 5 years older than Scarlett whilst playing Taskmaster
Pretty sure this movie had an agenda. Not any social or political agenda, but just one to set up yelena and the widows outside of the red room. Natasha really did get sidelined for her own movie. They could have done so much for her but decided to spend it on setting up other things, and ultimately giving a poor send off to a character that audiences really enjoyed. Movie wasn’t bad but it was just okay. Slightly better than Thor the Dark World if that makes any sense.
I thought we would see Natasha at her real mother’s grave or something but NOOOOPE. They literally painted and foreshadowed that for almost not reason.
I really liked the Black Widow film. That being said, I left the theatre feeling cheated we didn't get a trilogy. But I suppose it doesn't matter now since after Endgame I only wanted to watch the Black Widow film and then stop watching the MCU.
I mean absolutely no disrespect when I say this but your youtuber voice has evolved a lot in the last 2 years, I can't put my finger on exactly what it is does anyone agree?
could have been a really good short series that ended in an movie, i feel they bearly mention things that could have flesh out in a series, and get a better paced movie
@@recoveringintrovert717 I think it would've done her character sooo much justice, and given the director/writer proper time to tell her actual story (also what the audience wanted to see), including Budapest.
This was the Worst MCU script I’ve seen in a long time and I’m sorry it’s kinda insulting. It’s like they didn’t include quality writers or spend quality time on her because why? She’s retired? She’s female? She’s not popular? This movie was a DROP in quality where it shouldn’t have been. I’ve never been this frustrated in Marvel.
amigo, this is the best review i've seen for BW so far! I feel no one is talking enough about the MCU stuff like a true fan- just the movie plot! You made me realize the potential this movie had
Also those weren't his children, he didn't "sell them out" he just finished the assignment where he was assigned to them. It would make no sense for him to pretend to be their father when he was simply a russian spy. Maybe over the years after as he sat in prison his feelings changed but its not glossed over. ITs the only thing that makes sense. I'm leaving the video now
I love Marvel but this movie is weaker than the rest of the Marvel movies. I really wanted a full Natasha origin story like those flashbacks we got during her Russian Childhood but instead it was soo monotone and too much talking. It was more of a get together family show rather than Natasha.
Not gonna lie, I didn't like that Dreykov's daughter was another mindless slave. At that point, you could switch her out for any other Widow (I would have even preferred that because that would mean that Natasha intentionally killed a child for no reason but, in her past, that was an acceptable price). Imagine this though, she smashes a vial to release Taskmaster and it doesn't work because she's not mind controlled, she's just pissed and indoctrinated the same way Natasha was. One final fight gets her knocked out and arrested by Ross (or, she runs away to plot some more). Making her mind controlled kind of erases some of the darkness from Natasha where her actions... kind of had no consequences. Who's to say Dreykov wouldn't have mind controlled his daughter once she grew up anyway? All Natasha did in the end, was slightly disfigure a girl that would end up wearing a mask for most of her formative years anyway.
OK but some people reviewing the movie are just being blatantly misogynstic. Like the movie isn't the best thing ever but people making it seem like it's the worst movie to ever exist.
Even the CGI in this movie was embarrassing. Especially when you consider when it’s Marvel. I love black widow so much I feel like the movie is worse than any other marvel movie
How could it be “extremely misogynistic” when literally ever transition scene was a stupid ass shot. If you took a shot for everytime they had a girls ass in the center of the screen you would die from alcohol poisoning. All we FANS want is a good damn movie that is actually made with care. Look at how amazing the reviews were for Wonder Woman. Because guess what....it was a great movie. Huge downside to it was all the slow motion and the twist villain wasn’t really a surprise, but overall the movie was great.
I thought Natasha got the willow that her mother apparently was buried at when they finally told her that she actually wanted her and tried to get her back.
I had to google Florence Pugh just to make sure that she's not russian. That's how authentic she was. The way she talks, facial expressions - so on point. Amazing performance. Loved the movie as well. I think it's great. I see why people saying that this is Winter Soldier rip off but I disagree. Black Widow is really about family with action sequences as the side dish, when Winter Soldier was action first, friendship second.
I liked Black Widow. Even though I watch a lot of movie analyses on every movie known to man, I liked it. I appreciate the small things. Though, my inner marvel comics nerd was suffocating in the inside with Taskmaster, Iron Maiden, and Yelena. I wish they just would not have called Antonia Taskmaster in all the interviews and credits. I liked that character as a new character, not as Taskmaster. Anyways, as an average movie watcher, I liked Black Widow.
Indeed. I bet with Chloe Zhao getting that best picture win, she's now gonna be able to direct 20 whole minutes of footage not on a green screen before Marvel takes care of the rest.
Black Widow was the first marvel movie I actually like because of the story. I wish she could've stayed. Marvel really said we don't care about afabs here. 😕
I did like that this film focused more on the victim part of being a black widow, and other stuff that others have articulated better than I can - over all I liked the film but I also think it could’ve been better, and it kinda sucks that we could have had a badass well written and directed Back widow trilogy but didn’t 😕
Timing is what ruined the release of the movie. It should have been released straight after Civl War! It would have a made at least 700 million dollars.
“We didn’t make it because we had to we did it because we wanted to do it” Also scarlet the second the movie came out: you better lawyer up ass hole because I am not coming for 3% or 5% I am coming for 100%
I thought the film was meh and quite frankly disappointed. None of the action scenes were memorable. I didn’t except them to have over the top action kinda like F&F. Red Guardian was wack and was useless. Florence Pugh did a excellent job and can’t wait to see her in more MCU projects! The story wasn’t great either nor the dialogue, the cinematography looked kinda nice but at times very bland. At least it was way better than Captain Marvel.
God I didn’t know the dude had so much backstory. Like he literally just was a guy in the movie that got stuff for her and seemed like they were setting up some kind of romance, this is why it feels like it’s a second movie they were dead setting up some kind of romantic tension god knows why. This movie could have been so good if they just committed to telling the story really thought they were going to reference the comics and how the winter soldier was part of the training in the red room and you know just talk about the ballet that is such an intergalactic part of black widows character origin but like nah, they just made a movie so it would be like they didn’t give her her own movie. It’s amazing how must of the character growth of this character and just the most interesting parts came out of winter soldier and the small spotlight that was given to her. That movie somehow succeeded in making her a complex haunted character just trying to do right and gain some form of forgiveness more than her own 2hr movie could.
They Xmen origined Taskmaster. The only thing they kept of Taskmaster was his moveset/Powers. There's a reason people like characters and it isn't just their powers.
So Taskmaster was basically the bad X-Men Origins' Deadpool, half the movie was kinda pretty much Captain America: The Winter Soldier, and Natasha was a side character in what was Yelena's origin story.
I kinda want to add on to the whole American Pie thing - For people who have never really looked at the lyrics and analyzed them, the song at first seems to be about the day Buddy Holly, Ritchie Valens, and JP "The Big Bopper" Richardson died. However, as you listen further, you realize the song is actually about America losing its innocence. This fits perfectly with Yelena, as when we first see her listening to the song, they are leaving Ohio, which is when she starts to lose her innocence. So, to whoever in the team thought that was a good idea, I'm impressed.
In line with ripping off a recently released action film they also hired the same composer (Lorne Balfe) who had very similar sound beats to the point where I literally felt that Henry Cavill and his DCEU crippling mustache would pop up.
Same, idk what anyone saids Bri Larson wasn't that good. Marvel dropped the ball. I highly doubt that the sequel to Captin Marvel is gonna do well for Marvel. Most people saw it because they believed that it was gonna show something leading up to End Game.
@@jacquelinelugo5518 I think she is pretty good just had an awful script if I'm being honest. Like looking at her movie almost like Thor 2 so I'm hoping she can bounce back up with a better director now that they replaced the old one without someone new. Because its hard to perform well when they give you almost nothing in terms of a direction.
Yess I was left unsatisfied in the cinema I wish they did focus on natasha's time in the red room instead of making it a family reunion ruining the imagery of the avengers being her only family she has
If this film was released before Endgame, Natasha's death would've felt more impactful than it already was.
It wouldnt change anything if you take into account Loki there were never any stakes
@just some guy, SO TRUE. DEAD ASS
@@SPDRM think about it tho, it really is true. We would’ve been even more connected to her.
Bruh u again?
Atleast we can show our kids in chronological order.
Aaaaaahhh who am I kidding we aren't going to have kid's🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😅😅😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
they should have shown the beginning how she escape from red room and how she joins shields and what happened in Budapest LIKE COME ON!!!!
Agreed
They did show what happend in Budapest. She “killed” dreykovs daughter.
@@nnnn_o8o It sucks that we didn’t see Clint in it because the reason why Black Widow and his relationship was strong was because of what they went through in Budapest, but he was only mentioned ://
@@nnnn_o8o I mean all of it..how she met Clint and why did he decide not to kill her ALL OF IT but I think it would take a series to tell all that lol
Couldn't agree more!!
I really love that when Scarjo is basically being sexually harassed in interviews, she calls them out completely and doesn't back down Mam you are an icon.
The movie in a nutshell :
Natasha introduces her replacement.
Facts bro
Basically 😂
Yep
Passes on the torch* but yeah, pretty much
Natasha introduces her meh replacement actually...
It’s just a shame that Marvel doesn’t trust the audience enough to give us an actual solo Black Widow movie, so they give us Black Widow and her more likeable friends, Florence Pugh and David Harbour stole this movie, oh well, roll on Hawkeye.
EXACTLY. i wanted to see a SOLO black widow movie, one that actually revealed the secrets that made natasha interesting. but then they just introduced a bunch of new characters so kevin feige could have a family dynamic in the movie.
Look up ike perlmuter he is the reason this movie was made late.
I’m not sure. At the end of the day they can only do so much with an already very established character. Without just doing a Ragnarok again which to be fair I wouldn’t be mad at. And if every character was as generally serious as Natasha is, it would have been a boring typical action movie not really offering much in the way of charisma so they did well with what they had
I'm so upset at this. They did Scarlett Johansson so dirty. So they gave Brie Larson and Captin Marvel her own movie. Before Black Widow, a character that has been around since Iron Man 2. Cause the old farts at Disney didn't think a female led superhero movie could sell. Which makes no sense, since Scarlett was already an A list actress. I'm gonna quote Jeremy Jahans in his review. The movie we all wanted to see in 2014
I'm with you. I think we female marvel fans should make a bigger stink about this, because it's so offensive and ridiculous
@@recoveringintrovert717 We should, cause like a lot of people have said. She should have gotten her own trilogy but she didn't
Blame Ike "Pearlbutter", he was more in charge at Marvel than Fiege at the time, and he cited how Catwoman and Elektra were prime examples of why female-led superhero movies "don't work" 🙄
Because black widow is a pretty uninteresting character considering the fact that she doesn't have any powers. There's a reason Hawkeye didn't get a movie although he has a show slated to release sometime this year. They're gonna make movies about the big guns first before making movies and shows abt side characters.
@@unamedunamed7384 any of the interesting female superheroes for Marvel are mostly in the X-Men. But still even without super powers they could have made an a Spy movie for Black Widow. Something along the lines of Captin America 2. Disney had everything to make a hit movie with Black Widow and chose not to.
David Harbor's point about the Russian thing has been the smartest criticism I've heard so far.
What point?
@@kenetabansi5016 the one in the video my g, at 9:28
@@pyrrhicwins5101 okay yeah. Thanks
He spoke perfect English in the beginning of the film then he speaks with a Russian accent in broken English later in the movie. That's a bigger issue.
*They could've made it like the Valkyrie movie, but it's Disney, they made Mulan in English*
I really didn't want to believe the first reviews when they said that Natasha became a side character IN HER OWN MOVIE. But after watching it, I'm kinda disappointed. They should've started off when Natasha was first taken IMO cause you can clearly tell just from the cold open that the story wasn't focused on her. She deserved better.
It's a trend Marvel has been doing. Sam & Bucky were side characters in their show against John Walker. Loki was a side character to the female version of himself, Sylvie. Now Natasha is a side character to Yelena. I don't like this new pattern.
@@6thgraderfriends I disagree with Sam and Bucky being side characters against John Walker, Sam being the main character and Bucky being sidelined is acceptable. The Loki one is spot on though.
@@6thgraderfriends I disagree with Sam and Bucky but definitely agree with Loki. I just feel like Marvel is actually done with characters that were on focus for 10yrs like BW and Loki but can't say farewell to them bcs of fans
It didn’t feel like Thor’s, Capps, Tony’s, Hulks, Visions, Wandas, or Black Panthers origin stories.
They didn’t really want to make her a movie, that’s the why the story has no meaningful depth.
True, they just give her two things: flashback and villain.
@@Chromwel-A three actually, the reason why she wears vest
@@boodesultan12 that’s the only thing from her movie that matched the other movies. There weren’t even cameos, like Steve and Natasha meeting up or anything.
Tbh they did want to make Black Widow movie but its just that because of the Ike Perlmutter situation, it just was too late to make a decent one... I mean Marvel Studios wanted a R rated Black Widow movie before Iron Man and kickstart the MCU with that but that didn't happen & its pretty clear that Feige wanted to make one after Age of Ultron but the Ike Perlmutter situation was resolved at a time when Infinity Saga was coming to an end and Marvel Studios became too much busy producing 3 movies simultaneously (IW, CAPTAIN MARVEL & ENDGAME) ... So the story they had in their hands wasn't top notch bit they just wanted to be done with it & give the black Widow mantle to someone new.. but i do think the movie we got could've done better with a better analysed story
@@purityandaspiration yeah but as high as it grossed in cinemas, captain marvel should never have come out in between the two concluding infinity saga movies. introducing a new character that late, just to set her up so she can give us another mediocre thor tier marvel romp and destroy thanos' ship was the shittiest move towards scarjo. sure, we are setting up new characters in upcoming phase 4 movies, but scarjo earned that goddamn black widow movie. the first movie i remember going to see, was the first avengers movie at my childhood cinema, and the only thoughts i remember are "wow, she looks like me!" and "when is the black widow movie going to happen?"
I was soooo irritated by the fact that they skipped the entire red room. It made the build up to the villain so meaningless
Yelena is literally everyone's new favorite, especially with the poser scene
Imagine if she used that move from now on to honor her dead sister. 😆🥺
When she caught herself doing the 'poser' stance and was like 'ugh, disgusting' I was dying lol
@@npcimknot958 It's not the character that's sucking everyone in, it's the portrayal of the character that Florence Pugh does that people enjoy - with all of the improv, or the things brought into the movie based off of things she said/did on set. That's what made her character everyone's favourite.
@@npcimknot958 its not a deep character. She is just funny and florence is a great actress
She plays the little sister roll super well
Gotta love that “lissssten.”
"Chiiiiicken" •_•
I said it before clicking on the video, didn't get the cadence right tho 🙂
Why tho?
it’s more like “liiiiiiisten”
@@gwencocoa *presses button* You right
“Really, Have you seen Chris Hemsworth?” Lol ScarJo brought that sass!
That was a rude ass question from that guy
@@jocsurmanigbas1621 how?
i wouldve been like sorry you must be tired of that compliment
@@elitome1257 being written off as "the sexy one" isn't a compliment my guy
That interviewer trying to justify his question on if Scarlet was wearing "undergarments" will forever boggle my mind
I swear she gets that question every interview for a marvel movie
Black widow feels like a bad sequel to a good movie we never got
Poor man's winter soldier
@@nekosila Poor mans Phase 4 opening movie
well said
Agreed
Its a Phase 2 movie
Definitely could have made this three movies childhood, Budapest, & post Civil War.
i don't think the childhood movie could have work. But Budapest, maybe something between avengers and Captain America WS and then this movie.
Half Childhood half post infinity war
yea it wouldve been good, maybe like 7-9 years ago
Yeah one movie could’ve been her childhood/trauma from the red room and escaping it, then another movie would be her whole run in with the Winter Soldier and her getting recruited for shield/Budapest
They really could've given her a solo series. From the first big team-up film everyone's been asking what happened in Budapest. They could've done a film about that, and it's also give them a chance to expand on Clint's character cause boy did he need it.
thinking now a disney+ series would’ve been so much better and been able to fit more content in there
@@angelat5554 Literally what I'm saying, like a series would've done her soooo much justice!
Yeah and they could have done so much especially with the red room .
she really deserved a trilogy :(
Exactly, what Marvel did to Black widow is dirty...
Yelena is about to go crazy on Hawkeye....hope they turn that into a real thing I'd love to see Yelena as a villain for a bit.
Or maybe an origin story? They should've made a story on how she got out of the red room.
It was just an okay movie for me. a Black Widow 1 movie should have been the beginning 10min Prologue, then Red Room growing up (not as a montage but at least show how they are really trained/treated there). Afterwards, Natasha going on Team or Solo Missions eventually wanting to escape from it. That is when she stumbles on to Shield and/or Bartan. Leading up to the Climax Mission of Budapest. After they escape from the Special Forces, Natasha should have reported to Fury for her first mission and Fury would have given her Tony Stark's File. This would not contradict any established lore in my opinion as in Natasha's mind, the Red Room is gone. Though she still did not care to try and rejoin with Yelena. Whether this has something to do with what happened in the Red Room or a clause in her arrangement with Shield, I don't know.
The second half of this movie we got could have been a Black Widow 2 where Nat realizes the Red Room is still active. By separating this part into its own movie as a sequel they can better establish and build up characters rather than just building up Yelena and Alexei (depending on how you look at how they used Alexei).
But it was really too late to make my idea for a Black Widow 1 as they needed to have done it before Civil War I believe. And Black Widow 2 could have come after which makes it more properly line up with the releases.
The opening credits were the best part of the movie hands down, that should have been the movie. The red room, the Thriller, the grittyness, the dark origin story we all wanted. And as you said: it should have happened way earlier.
This is what I was hoping the movie would be and I was kinda disappointed when it wasn’t.
100% agree! But that would require Marvel treating BW like the avenger that she is, instead of a set piece mcguffin
Agreed
You wrote everything that I’ve been thinking, it also would’ve been cool to include her run in with the Winter Soldier and this could’ve been set before CA:Winter Soldier… *sigh*
‘It feels like the third movie in a story arc that we never got’ damn dude, how do you always put my feelings into words so perfectly!! Great video and insights as always
the opening credits scenes was by far the best part of the movie. the song cover was haunting and worked so well with the theme of exploited girls. Florence Pugh is always a Win.
and now a poem:
what on earth makes this life worth livin?
the beautiful sound of that lme “liiissten”
Where is the Black Widow origin movie...Scarlett Johansson deserves one man, after all her service to Marvel, instead she's a side character to setup Yelena Black Widow... Also making Taskmaster a mute character is the worst decision, ever... Well the cast was great tho..
It’s no secret that this movie was Pugh’s introduction. They literally said as much during production because Yelena is going to be taking the mantle and will be the be the new frontrunner of the MCU and will also continue the rest of the Black Widow trilogy around her. So it’s not supposed to feel like just a Natasha story as it has to work as the first in yelenas trilogy also. But I agree that Natasha should’ve gotten her own trilogy long ago, and not just a role in a different black widows trilogy 10 years later.
Exactly she should have gotten it awhile ago
BRO the fireflies literally were so random
i thought i was gonna be the cherry blossom tree of the tree her biological mother was buried next to or something
You would not believe your eyes
@@marvel096 that’s what I thought 5 seconds after that scene
@@zachryder3150 If a ten million fireflies
*Except that it wasn’t. I think they employed their typical representation of internal character, the light emanating an awakening. I love that Melina explained the science of it, because she never had the heart to see what truly lied before her, while Yelena (and Nat) always did and questioned the fireflies, representing whether there was any sense of family love to begin with.*
Everything else aside, Pugh is a great addition to the MCU, she feels grounded in a way that most of the characters don’t, but she pulls off quippy better than anyone else!
“It has a lot of pockets, but I use them all the time!” And “I knew it, it’s so cool right? And you can put so much stuff in there. You wouldn’t even know.” Its the best scene in the movie!!!!
The fireflies represent the heart that she maintained despite her suffering, stemming from that one genuinely happy moment from her childhood.
Oh how deep 😂
It’s a RUclips comment not a essay
@@alejandrobayetonunez9486 I never said it was particularly deep, but that’s the symbolic significance I took from it, given pieces of dialogue throughout the film that repeatedly communicated this theme.
@@kart1kay701 It’s literally one sentence
@@josephguiste9465 Yeah i get it has a symbolic significance but it's not deep at all
Movie should’ve been made after Winter Soldier.
Yep, it would have been good to have a film with Black Widow and Hawkeye going off and doing spy shit
The thing I really couldn't get over in this was the daughter being a little girl when Natasha (an adult) supposedly killed her, but being 41 year old Olga Kurylenko, who is 5 years older than Scarlett whilst playing Taskmaster
Also Florence Puch wasn't even alive in 1995.
Also for years Natasha mentioned previously working for the KGB but it was 1995...
The characters aren't their actors age.
@@jasenjacobs1365 yes obviously but she clearly looks older than scarlett also as opposed to being like 10 years younger
@@gingetomassi8153 I personally put that down to being used as a terminator for years after being blown up. It's gotta be rough on the Ole bod.
”Helped the widow snap out of her midsummer trance”
I understood that reference
04:55 So we're all going to forget that it was*Deadpool* who first made fun of *"super hero landing"*
Pretty sure this movie had an agenda. Not any social or political agenda, but just one to set up yelena and the widows outside of the red room. Natasha really did get sidelined for her own movie. They could have done so much for her but decided to spend it on setting up other things, and ultimately giving a poor send off to a character that audiences really enjoyed. Movie wasn’t bad but it was just okay. Slightly better than Thor the Dark World if that makes any sense.
Just wanted to see what happened on the Budapest mission.... Only to get more dialogue about what happened :< .
I thought we would see Natasha at her real mother’s grave or something but NOOOOPE. They literally painted and foreshadowed that for almost not reason.
I really liked the Black Widow film. That being said, I left the theatre feeling cheated we didn't get a trilogy. But I suppose it doesn't matter now since after Endgame I only wanted to watch the Black Widow film and then stop watching the MCU.
Red Sparrow had more Soviet soldier training then Black Widow
But it's 7 minutes longer, therefor it's likely gonna be unwatchable to the usual moviegoer.
ngl i was pretty much expecting smth like red sparrow- i thought the film was gonna be a proper origin story for nat
I mean absolutely no disrespect when I say this but your youtuber voice has evolved a lot in the last 2 years, I can't put my finger on exactly what it is does anyone agree?
He's doing drugs that's why💀💀
@@bloodsugar4092 no, lmao
If you want an example check out his black panther video
Better mic maybe?
@@justhaku9240 he is an alcoholic 💀👋
@@bloodsugar4092 source?
could have been a really good short series that ended in an movie, i feel they bearly mention things that could have flesh out in a series, and get a better paced movie
A marvel show could have been so awful
@@recoveringintrovert717 I think it would've done her character sooo much justice, and given the director/writer proper time to tell her actual story (also what the audience wanted to see), including Budapest.
Scarjo definitely got short changed in the MCU. Hope Pugh is treated better
WE ALL LOVED YELENA
This was the Worst MCU script I’ve seen in a long time and I’m sorry it’s kinda insulting. It’s like they didn’t include quality writers or spend quality time on her because why? She’s retired? She’s female? She’s not popular? This movie was a DROP in quality where it shouldn’t have been. I’ve never been this frustrated in Marvel.
“oK MiSogYnisT”
@@npcimknot958 I think it was written by one person, which I found pretty strange cause Marvel always mentions how collaborative everything is.
amigo, this is the best review i've seen for BW so far! I feel no one is talking enough about the MCU stuff like a true fan- just the movie plot! You made me realize the potential this movie had
Also those weren't his children, he didn't "sell them out" he just finished the assignment where he was assigned to them. It would make no sense for him to pretend to be their father when he was simply a russian spy. Maybe over the years after as he sat in prison his feelings changed but its not glossed over. ITs the only thing that makes sense. I'm leaving the video now
true, but he had feelings for them, as he did tatoo both of their names on his body
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I agree 100%. I wish they took a different direction and focused on Black Widow and Hawkeye's friendship.
Mad respect to Scarlett for leaving the MCU she deserves hella better!
I think Nat's goodbye from the start was the idea of wiping out her ledger calling back to the first avengers film and she did that in this film
Hey bro thank u bro making this content. It brings me joy
I love Marvel but this movie is weaker than the rest of the Marvel movies. I really wanted a full Natasha origin story like those flashbacks we got during her Russian Childhood but instead it was soo monotone and too much talking. It was more of a get together family show rather than Natasha.
At least she didn't get the hulk treatment lol
Not gonna lie, I didn't like that Dreykov's daughter was another mindless slave. At that point, you could switch her out for any other Widow (I would have even preferred that because that would mean that Natasha intentionally killed a child for no reason but, in her past, that was an acceptable price).
Imagine this though, she smashes a vial to release Taskmaster and it doesn't work because she's not mind controlled, she's just pissed and indoctrinated the same way Natasha was. One final fight gets her knocked out and arrested by Ross (or, she runs away to plot some more).
Making her mind controlled kind of erases some of the darkness from Natasha where her actions... kind of had no consequences. Who's to say Dreykov wouldn't have mind controlled his daughter once she grew up anyway? All Natasha did in the end, was slightly disfigure a girl that would end up wearing a mask for most of her formative years anyway.
Yeah that's my thoughts exactly how many times bring someone back evil after you pretty much see them die.
This IS Pugh's entrance!
"More Clinton than Clint." 😂😂
"You're dissing the church." 😂😂
When did she say this?
I have no recollection of this lol
I didn’t know a lot of Pugh’s stuff was improvised, interesting
I thoroughly enjoyed the film.
I thought it was ok.
It's probably my favourite mcu film Florence pugh steals the show
Finally!! Been refreshing your page all day.
I loved the fact that Ray Winstone played Dreykov, but I grew up with his Bet365 ads so I can’t unsee it
OK but some people reviewing the movie are just being blatantly misogynstic. Like the movie isn't the best thing ever but people making it seem like it's the worst movie to ever exist.
Even the CGI in this movie was embarrassing. Especially when you consider when it’s Marvel. I love black widow so much I feel like the movie is worse than any other marvel movie
It's as bad as the hulk
Cope harder :D
How could it be “extremely misogynistic” when literally ever transition scene was a stupid ass shot. If you took a shot for everytime they had a girls ass in the center of the screen you would die from alcohol poisoning. All we FANS want is a good damn movie that is actually made with care. Look at how amazing the reviews were for Wonder Woman. Because guess what....it was a great movie. Huge downside to it was all the slow motion and the twist villain wasn’t really a surprise, but overall the movie was great.
@Kid Caca Have you read the comics?
I thought Natasha got the willow that her mother apparently was buried at when they finally told her that she actually wanted her and tried to get her back.
Seriously.. I was like yup they’re doing that. Look! Slow pan down and she arrives to another aircraft and fireflies to end wtf??
In which movie?
I had to google Florence Pugh just to make sure that she's not russian. That's how authentic she was. The way she talks, facial expressions - so on point. Amazing performance.
Loved the movie as well. I think it's great. I see why people saying that this is Winter Soldier rip off but I disagree. Black Widow is really about family with action sequences as the side dish, when Winter Soldier was action first, friendship second.
Last time I was this early Black Widow was still alive
I liked Black Widow. Even though I watch a lot of movie analyses on every movie known to man, I liked it. I appreciate the small things. Though, my inner marvel comics nerd was suffocating in the inside with Taskmaster, Iron Maiden, and Yelena. I wish they just would not have called Antonia Taskmaster in all the interviews and credits. I liked that character as a new character, not as Taskmaster. Anyways, as an average movie watcher, I liked Black Widow.
Indeed. I bet with Chloe Zhao getting that best picture win, she's now gonna be able to direct 20 whole minutes of footage not on a green screen before Marvel takes care of the rest.
Black Widow was the first marvel movie I actually like because of the story. I wish she could've stayed. Marvel really said we don't care about afabs here. 😕
I did like that this film focused more on the victim part of being a black widow, and other stuff that others have articulated better than I can - over all I liked the film but I also think it could’ve been better, and it kinda sucks that we could have had a badass well written and directed Back widow trilogy but didn’t 😕
Black Widow was awesome. I really enjoyed it.
I really enjoyed it, I watched it today and I feel like it was a good sendoff to Natasha, I’ll miss Scarlett though 🥲
0:50 You take that back 😭😂
7:11 Nice Iron Maiden (band) reference!
“We can always cut it out” 💀 Gotta love Feige man
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Timing is what ruined the release of the movie. It should have been released straight after Civl War! It would have a made at least 700 million dollars.
How does a channel that has such awesome content not have way way more subscribers.🤔😤🤯
“We didn’t make it because we had to we did it because we wanted to do it”
Also scarlet the second the movie came out: you better lawyer up ass hole because I am not coming for 3% or 5% I am coming for 100%
Loved the movie! Hated that she only got one after she died.
I can’t believe he asked her about her underwear
Absolutely disguising
I thought the film was meh and quite frankly disappointed. None of the action scenes were memorable. I didn’t except them to have over the top action kinda like F&F. Red Guardian was wack and was useless. Florence Pugh did a excellent job and can’t wait to see her in more MCU projects! The story wasn’t great either nor the dialogue, the cinematography looked kinda nice but at times very bland. At least it was way better than Captain Marvel.
The questions about her undergarments make me feel sick. 😭
Should've done a Black Widow series
God I didn’t know the dude had so much backstory. Like he literally just was a guy in the movie that got stuff for her and seemed like they were setting up some kind of romance, this is why it feels like it’s a second movie they were dead setting up some kind of romantic tension god knows why. This movie could have been so good if they just committed to telling the story really thought they were going to reference the comics and how the winter soldier was part of the training in the red room and you know just talk about the ballet that is such an intergalactic part of black widows character origin but like nah, they just made a movie so it would be like they didn’t give her her own movie.
It’s amazing how must of the character growth of this character and just the most interesting parts came out of winter soldier and the small spotlight that was given to her. That movie somehow succeeded in making her a complex haunted character just trying to do right and gain some form of forgiveness more than her own 2hr movie could.
why is RDJ on the casting list when he isnt in the movie?
Because Google put it there for some reason
They Xmen origined Taskmaster. The only thing they kept of Taskmaster was his moveset/Powers. There's a reason people like characters and it isn't just their powers.
So Taskmaster was basically the bad X-Men Origins' Deadpool, half the movie was kinda pretty much Captain America: The Winter Soldier, and Natasha was a side character in what was Yelena's origin story.
*I'm sorry but I thought this movie was awesome despite the weird timeline that it came out*
Honestly same! My family and I loved it.
Me too!!
5:09 sums it for me 😅 an ok movie because of the actors wished it was better.
0:51 I feel called out for ☠️ 🤣 it’s so boring where I live
I do love the Pugh filmography just meshed in there.
I'm glad you didn't shill for this movie. They also dumbed all the men down to make the women look good
Movie on Budapest arc would be great
The breakdown of Black Widow as a trilogy OMG 🤯 I would pay to see those movies
I kinda want to add on to the whole American Pie thing -
For people who have never really looked at the lyrics and analyzed them, the song at first seems to be about the day Buddy Holly, Ritchie Valens, and JP "The Big Bopper" Richardson died. However, as you listen further, you realize the song is actually about America losing its innocence. This fits perfectly with Yelena, as when we first see her listening to the song, they are leaving Ohio, which is when she starts to lose her innocence.
So, to whoever in the team thought that was a good idea, I'm impressed.
In line with ripping off a recently released action film they also hired the same composer (Lorne Balfe) who had very similar sound beats to the point where I literally felt that Henry Cavill and his DCEU crippling mustache would pop up.
I really wanted mason to be taskmaster
Yeah that would have been a little bit better then what they did with taskmaster.
It was a tie-in to the big events like in the Comics. It's my theory that Disney+ shows are going to be the tie-ins.
they always do her so dirty, seriously it's heartbreaking
Lmfao! I love your well grounded rants
I'm glad my friend let me use her free ticket to see this movie, but it didn't suck.
I think Florence Pugh definitely stole the show tho...
0:10 thanks Ike Perlmutter. Even when they kicked him out, he still effected everything.
"I need a raise"
This movie makes me wish Florence Pugh would've been cast as Captain Marvel.
Same, idk what anyone saids Bri Larson wasn't that good. Marvel dropped the ball. I highly doubt that the sequel to Captin Marvel is gonna do well for Marvel. Most people saw it because they believed that it was gonna show something leading up to End Game.
@@jacquelinelugo5518 I think she is pretty good just had an awful script if I'm being honest. Like looking at her movie almost like Thor 2 so I'm hoping she can bounce back up with a better director now that they replaced the old one without someone new. Because its hard to perform well when they give you almost nothing in terms of a direction.
Petition to replace every female marvel character with florence pugh
Yess I was left unsatisfied in the cinema I wish they did focus on natasha's time in the red room instead of making it a family reunion ruining the imagery of the avengers being her only family she has
1:52....she wasnt on the run for the death of T'Chaka but for turning against T'Challa at the end.
This just makes me grateful that I never kept up with the MCU movies.