Well you are right Muk, Scourge is straight forward and you have alot of options but to have maximum utility slots available, I go Staff with Dagger/Torch for CC because Soul Marks gives you more than enough life force spamming Staff 2+3 off CD for Regen and conditions, allowing you to free up Signet of Undeath in organised or experienced groups. Staff 4 also acts as a blast finisher for your Well of Blood which is a light field for even more condi cleanse or a water field blast that your team put down for healing. I DO agree that Desiccate is kinda mandatory for Fury uptime unless you pair with a qdps that hands it out for free. As Noxi said: Abrasive Grit - what you take in the first trait column - that cleanses 1 condi every time you hit someone with barrier: summoning a sand shade (F1), Sand Cascade (F3), and Sandstorm Shroud (F5 with the 3rd trait in 2nd column) all apply barrier and Sandstorm Shroud applies barrier 3 times before it explodes for a 4th barrier application. Combined with Nefarious Favour (F2) which converts condis to boons on 3 people per shade, you have a ton of built in Condi cleanse before you get to utility skills. Freeing up utility slots is great for Scourge because of the powerful skills it has, not as great as FB or Chrono but still plentiful to tailor your bar for the encounter. Spectral grasp for when you need to CC Samrog among other break bars, Well of Corruption for pulsing boon corrupt, Well of Power for maximum condi cleanse (remember each application of barrier cleanses condis - for this reason i sometimes swap Blood Well for Sand Flare), Corrupt Boon for supreme boon removal great for fractals, poison cloud for Projectile block, Spectral walk for being in 2 places at once (think any mechanic that you need to run circles out [Cerus]), Bone Fiend's activate is an immobilize great in many places (like CCing Samrog or Gorsival spirits) and the supreme CC Flesh Golem for when you need to CC Samrog because your party doesn't know what CC is or Ghastly Breach for more Boon corrupt. Scourge benefits from encounter knowledge. You have some flex in relic too: Mercy for hard PUG carries, Monk for max effective healing out put or like you said Febe for swiftness but that needs you to use Well of Blood for non-revive reasons which doesnt work in PUG settings (but is apart of the rotation on Boneskinner :P). I do enjoy it as low-effort healer that's pretty comfy. Overall a GREAT PUG healer and if you become confident with it you should be confident to throw a group up in LFG and carry those nerds to victory whether they want to or not.
Nah, there's green circle mechanics from bosses too. Give that stupid skill something else completely. A skill on yourself should never be that confusing and visually obstructive.
@@theMadFurball true, but compared to the orange circle where everyone's instinct is to go away, green circles teach you to go into the AOE, or at least gather to a group of players. But yeah, if they have the resources for a new animation, that would be best
@@lloydalvarez2819Usually, yeah. But there's also exceptions like mai trin cm or samarog where green would be horrible too. I'm at the point where I'd rather have no animation at all than what it is lmao
Heal Alac Scourge is the build that made me love healing. I do use dagger / war horn -- pistol / torch. So like you said, dagger is great for keeping your lifeforce up but dagger 2 is also great for keeping you alive when everything is going to shit. Like in Matthias when you suddenly take a ton of damage hitting 2 will stabilize you while you rez friends or get out of the rain or running mans path. Dagger 3 is not only an awesome boonstrip but it's a really long immobilize that comes in super handy for Gorseval and keeping Riggum in place in samarog. So why War Horn? Well WH 4 is both a soft CC and a huge life force bump at 15% whereas Torch 4 is only 5% and nothing else. imho already worth it. Then you have WH5, it sucks that the Swiftness is only personal but the duration is so long it's permanent and while it sucks for your party, a mobile healer is better than a sluggy healer when it comes to getting to downed friends or away from danger. Also it gives a decent amount of healing to your group. It isn't a lot but it is enough to keep people topped off and it gives a little bit of life force when it hits. Torch 5 gives a little might but frankly you don't need it. I can keep my peeps at 25 easily without it. With all that together if you need to drop Signet of Undeath for Well of Power (Which really shines in Slothasar to cure the shakes and or break out of fear) it won't matter because you're getting tons of lifeforce from your weapons. I keep pistol / torch for ranged needs and for when we need the extra CC from pistol 3 and torch 5 but frankly I don't use them very often, mainly just keeping people alive during Matthias and Samarog sacrifice phase. I've gotten some shit for it but I felt vindicated when I saw Teapot rocking the Dagger / WH combo when they were trying to do the new CM last week.
You also have a portal, right? Can be good for mechanics. In general you forgot to mention what utilities it has compared to like guardian, Mesmer or druid
Zarghol did 23k DPS on boneskinner as celestial heal scourge with Viper DPS scourge weapons, and of course managed to keep his team alive and had f4 for pulls when needed. Scourge OP
Thx Muk for showing us the way ❤ Really enjoying the series!! A few remarks if I may 😊 First of all i agree with your traits. I have only one other - I prefer unyielding blast instead of soul marks. I just find staff redundant but if staff is used its a fair take (but you still said you did not need to switch to staff at all which I understand) While groups can reach 25 vuln stacks quite easily its never bad to have a bit of overcapping on that condi In my opinion 2 things should be noted further and they are connected to each other so stick with me. There is a LOT of freedom with relics. Healing effectiveness is not that impactful with scourge, so its perfectly viable to run a lot of other relics. My main preference is lyhr. More about that later…. Other good options are antitoxin (for massive condi cleanse), mercy (for faster and better revives), citadel (for even stronger flesh golem CCs), febe (for perma swiftness on your group), midnight king (if you need another scource of fury and might - more to that later), dwayna (for stronger regen & sustain), speed (if you need to run mechanics and scourge portal alone is not enough), herald (if you run more minstreal and need more boon duration) or of course monk (for 10% heal. Eff. To others) We can see that that opens up a LOT of options and should be switched according to the situation. Because i like to run Lyhr (just a few words to that relic…i love it on scourge while fearing it on other healers - to get transferred 50% of all strike dmg to you from 5 targets can get you killed very easily. Therefore you must not only be tanky but also have massive sustain. Hsc has BOTH, but it depends on the weapon! Scourge has massive barrier and constantly cleanses conditions. If your subgroup receives even less strike dmg they are literally unkillable which makes scourge and even more massive beginner group carrier) i like to run dagger + warhorn & torch. Dagger is always in my main hand This playstyle require more than just pure life force generation… It needs the sustain from 3+2 dagger which heals you massively. That together with full giver (2380 toughness) makes you survive lyhr relic on boneskinner which is one of the worst single peaks of strike dmg possible! The range of the 2 & 3 are 600 btw so there is no excuse to not press it off cooldown. Warhorn because the 5 gives you perma swiftness plus a bit of constant additional healing to your group. While the healing on scourge is not weak you only have 3 scources…healing well (which should be held back as an emergency heal/rez tool), f5 aftercast (life from death trait) and f4 (but often should also be used sparingly to have transfusion ready when needed). The 4 is also a nice cc while the torch 5 is another cc and helps massively with might uptime (4 is useless). For me serpent siphon is a skill which is used off cooldown because of regen uptime. Just press it not right away together with f3 and f5 to not overcap the barrier. If aegis is needed that is something different altogether of course! Desiccate is the flex slot in my opinion. Desiccate should only be taken if your group has not enough might and fury providers (most dps give both boons nearly all the time anyway). Its just necessary to know other builds/classes a bit better to know that. Especially with qdps herald you are pretty much free to ignore that. So other skills should be used as needed: Scourge portal for obvious reasons CPC for projectile block (adina or sabhir) Corrupt boon for getting those pesky boons off from the bosses (vale guardian or twin largos) Flesh worm (whisper of jormag or dhuum (especially CM)) Spectral grasp for more cc Spectral walk for a bit of mobility and personal port Trail of anguish in the worst, worst case of having to provide stab And if you need to have f.e. Sand swell and the group is lacking fury? Take relic of the midnight king as stated above. You have that freedom 😊 All in all scourge is a wonderful healer that is a lot of fun. It can especially hardcarry nearly every group!! Just hope they would either rework trail of anguish or well of power into good stab providers And i do not agree with Muk here…he should have decent stab access. All healers should. And one stack of aegis to be able to handle all fights. He does not need like 10 skills but either one of them like 3 stacks for 10 seconds (with 100% boon uptime) is more than enough on like a 30sec cooldown. And that is not that crippling for other builds. Hfb will always be better with stab but to have a skill providing stability and just be bad at it is not very good for a build ^^
I tried this build out in wvw tonight. had a lot of fun. i was able to keep a party member up when he got jumped by a few other players to their surprise. I'll be experimenting with this more over the next few weeks. thanks
What I don't like about the yellow circle from sandstorm shroud is that is scales with character model size, but only in the visual. So my norn has a big circle, where the outer part doesn't hit... and your asura hits outside of it's circle...
For future reference, horn now does grant team swiftness and trail of anguish now pulses stability once instantly as mentionned in a more recent mukluk video
There is one fight where the trail stab is enough: KO CM. if you run across the front of Li, the people that have to go out will have to go through the trail and they will receive stab. Alternatively you can activate it before moving to Li after the dash and people are likely to follow behind you. (Also as a bonus, it is one of the few remaining 10 target skills) Outside of KO it's very hard to give stab with it. It does have another use as a personal stunbreak on 25s cooldown. Can be useful for example when learning to tank wyverns in w6.
so how is it vs dagger in terms of life force without signet of undead? I usually have more than enough to spam my shade skills off cooldown should I ever need to with just dagger, does that also work with the sword? e: nvm it's addressed @ 4:20 thx 👍
The sword generates a little over a quarter of the life force that dagger can potentially generate with its auto-attacks (although you wouldn't be auto-attacking continuously), but it's not really an issue because you'll have plenty of life force coming in. It's not something to be concerned about.
@@benevolentfather I don't use Signet of Undeath either, you don't need it for the life force even when using a sword. Signet of Undeath is mainly useful for pugging because it can save the terminally out of position.
@@MuklukRUclipsdo you have an ETA on that? I have no idea how many support build you have left and how long it takes to make a vid, so sorry if this sounds insensitive
Quick question. I can see the good barrier, but I don't know where good healing comes from. The only thing I see is easy regen uptime, a personal heal, and I suppose F4 if you don't save it for a rez. I just don't understand where the statement 'good healing' comes from. I feel naked without a burst heal to save people who take a big hit.
Would this be good as a main healer in fractals? Or is this more of a support dps? I haven't yet unlocked scourge fully, but I'm really interested in trying out fractals soon and in time also healing in them :)
yes you can do power qharb. take the same build as power reaper and change to harb 1-1-1(dps) or 1-2-2 for quick. utility: heal and elite elixir with two most damaging wells and signet of spite (passive). or at least that is how i ran it and it works great.
@@alexhin4083what about gear? would viper armor(trapper runes) with ritualist accessories work? what weapons do you use, and what's the rotation like? If you have a link to a power quick harb build I would appreciate it
Loving the videos so far, I really like the amount of time you put into it. Having said that, just a quick suggestion: try not to put text that down in the video, international people like me like to watch with subtitles on sometimes and it covers that part unfortunately. Thanks for the video again!
I don't bring signet of undeath, if you have the trait that gives life force for fears use f4 frequently and have a WH for extra fear you really shouldn't run out of life force ever. The trail is decent for swiftness, although the stab is only useful in a few situations. Having the long range rez is pretty nice, but its cast time is rough and if someone dies too far for me to drop well heal or pull, thats probably my fault. Example : matthias mechanics, when i see someone looking for the well, i throw heal skill and shades in their path to remove damaging condis snd keep them alive. Sand trail is the skill that i swap out if i need grasp, cpc, or something else for niche scenerios, i prefer to have a herald as boondps on fights that require lots of stab
One of the problems with signet of undeath is that it takes a large chunk out of your own HP. There's a good chance that if the squad is falling apart and you use it then you will also go down.
You can soak some of that damage if you put barrier on yourself first. It can be hard to remember to do that in the heat of the moment but a full heal build shade f3 will soak a little under half of that damage with barrier.
Hard to believe you got Noxxi to edit this considering she made her own guide for HS 😂 So, some additional notes. Qherald is your best friend on this build. It coveres everything you cant. Party swiftness, fury, might, stability, and cc. If you have a herald you can drop Desiccate completely and take something else like Spectral Grasp or CPC. Also, correct me if im wrong, but doesn't one of the wells give group stab? Or is that just self stab? The flesh golem despawning thing is a transformation bug. When you get frozen you go into a special transformation state and it despawns the golem. It screws with other things too like virt blades or any shades you have down. Its a real pita.
It's a 1s cast time with 25 or 30s cool down and it only gives one stack of stab on the first pulse, gives might on the others, it's not a good choice. If it gave stab on every pulse, might be useful for some things.
@@MuklukRUclipsthis might be a weird question, but what fingers do you use? I assume you hold shift with your pinky and press the numbers with your ring finger?(and maybe middle is on W for movement?)
During the charge, Flesh Golem deals 150 defiance damage per hit. Depending on enemy's hitbox and positioning, it may land two to five hits on a single activation. Because the Flesh Golem strikes at least twice on the shortest hitbox size, it will at the very least deal 300 defiance damage. It can occasionally hit five times in a single cast, dealing 750 defiance damage to a target as large as Samarog. It's always a better CC than Chilled to the Bone for necromancer for PvE, the tooltip is bugged and I can get into details if anyone's interested.
Heal necro has some of the most flexibility with their weapons. You might be able to get away with axe, but the question is: What does it bring that you need? AoE boon removal? There aren't many situations for that in PvE. The most important thing is making sure you are generating enough death shroud energy to fuel your ability spam. I know I generate enough with dagger or sword mainhand, I haven't checked with axe.
@@MuklukRUclips thank you muk On another topic , I main ranger (salad race) and I kind of get board with the race after 10 years , much more lean towards charr or asura, do I have to collect the pets all over again?
Call me crazy but with signet of undeath and eternal life, aren’t you overdoing it on life force. You stated earlier that with the lesser well of blood trait, Transfusion, and Well of blood you can get someone up fast. Is signet of undeath truly necessary? I fully agree with you on how annoying Trail of Anguish is to use. At the same time it affects 10 targets, provides does Burning, and is a Stun Break. Having a Stun Break to use in the event that you loose your member providing stability keeps you in the game long enough to revive them.
Don't forget about SWORD 1 auto gives you self healing & SWORD 3 where it can give YOU a fat self heal if you're in trouble and everything is on cooldown. It's potentially larger of a heal than Dagger MH 3+2.
For anyone who doesnt get the joke of the thumbnail (because I myself didnt get it at first because I have almost never watched Family Guy or whereever this scene is from): Its a dude throwing "pocket sand" at someone else to steal their luggage. Scourge throws sand at people too.
Naw, healbinger's not a thing because it's bugged in a build-destroying way. When you leave shroud, your main healing ability (Transfusion) switches off and all remaining ticks immediately cease. It could be --great-- an alrightish healer if it just didn't have that one crippling bug, but it's been reported and known about for years and they still haven't fixed it, so I wouldn't get your hopes up any time soon.
ok the circle graphic.. we need to have a discussion about "encounter design language". love it or hate it.. FF14 is fantastic at encounter design language... when you see a massive arrow over someone's head you *know* stack on them or they die. now, to their credit Anet has gotten better but.. guys.. enemy floor makers need to *always* be red, red pain red death red red red.. if it's not red you're "ok"
I might be in the minority here, but the trail works fine for stability application IMO. Assuming your squad is stacked on top of each other (which is the case like 99% of the time you need stability), you only need to cast the trail where you're all standing, shimmy a bit, and they will get stab. They don't even need to move. Yes, it's a bit jank, but it does solve the swiftness and stability issues you're having. If the party didn't get stab, it's because either the scourge was standing in the wrong place or the party was. If the group is semi decent, you can event drop the signet and run dagger MH instead if you need to. Also Heal Harbinger whennnnnn
Or you are just tanking and you have to face the boss away from the party, or you get penalty stacks for taking steps. Heal scourge stab application is below average, it would just need an AOE application just like other healers (and keep in mind, healers like chrono have 2 instant charges of stab + even more sources of stab/aegis + continuum split) and it would actually be playable in decent groups. In reality, in decent groups if you are using an heal scourge, you are better off with a qdps herald/chrono. Scourge's serpent is fine IMO, but it's still a bit inferior to other healer's aegis as it's not an instant cast.
If you take Speed of Shadows in the 1st tier of soul reaping (instead of soul mark) you can basically get relic of febe on your shroud skill, which can allow you to put relic of centaur for stability on your heal. it's at least useable for battles where you don't need Aegis, and can use Serpent Siphon for the regen? Edit: the need to be useful outweighed the testing... those are indeed only for Self, as @Alphenis points out. apologies.
They need to change Sandstorm Shroud and Specter Mind Shock to not look like a boss AoE man. Like, make it a friendly looking AoE like a Symbol and people will not run out of it.
I hate heal/support, but I just might try this one. Loving the swords, and I use torch in pvp already, so now I just need to learn how to do scourge shade stuff.
I'll still salty they nerfed the rez ability capability of the scourge. It was practically the only healer that was played despite not providing key boon (alac or quick). What we have today is totally functional, yeah, but it's a lot less classy than the "very late healer" of old.
I think it's better nowdays than before since you still have the carry potential but your still a valuable healer to experienced groups, every Temple of Febe Legendary CM video that i'v seen has at least 1 Healscourge. Before it got Alac i remember many experienced people almost looked down upon Healscourge since the only thing it did was barrier and rez people quickly. The boons it gave was very shitty so if many people didn't need to be revived you didn't give much to the group(unless you were doing a Plaguedoctor Scourge or something). But to each his/her own i guess.
100% on dodging beneficial circles. Especially in WvW where the same circle will have different effects for allies and enemies, and you can't tell which zerg laid it down. Super hate that.
I think in those situations the floaty ring around the circle should be the color of the team/server that put it there and make it, say, 5 pixels thicker for visibility. Then the circle itself should be red if it's hostile to you and green if its beneficial.
I always wondered why when something flesh golems that asura would yell "ARISE MY BRAINLESS!" Also looked like it pays to have an editor that knows more about scourge than you do (or at least that's how it was edited...).
I'v played Condi Alac Scourge a lot in Fracs, Raids and Strikes and that yellow circle on your shades has screwed me over sooo many times, Anet Plz fix. Still my Elite Spec in the game tho
I found better (in almost all scenarios) going full celestial / (or a couple of pieces Plaguedoctor). Signet of Undead is NEVER required on this healer build, you have LF for all u need always. Better should run the "poo poo" trail.. so try to manage better ur LF (NO NEED to spam all). Swiftness, Stun break, Stab on demand (with a couple of feet movement all the ppl get covered lol). Warhorn in 2nd weapon set is better to carry more CC and LF regen. Dont Spam NEVER all the shades skills, Just Spam F5-F3, look for a good spot for F1... F2 just when need Condi Cleanse.... and F4 JUST when u need rezz downed ppl or when ur group lack CC. And finally: Scpeter > Pistol > Dagger > Sword. (Others weapons options dont exist) Greetings Muk!
So you just have less life force generation and less boonstrip than dagger, less heal and less cc than a wh, you play staff for no reason (you don't even swap on it on the whole video) and you don't even play stab on the showed gameplay. This is what I call peak gaming 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Sword has nearly the same life force generation as dagger (I could spam all shroud skills on cooldown), both have a boon rip skill (sword 3 corrupts 2 boons, dagger 3 corrupts 3 boons), same heal, more than enough cc but you can run warhorn in either weapon set if you want it, and as far as the "play stab" comment I'm not even sure what you are referring to there.
"the barrier can be applied to 9 people" FU that last guy :D
He was probably not stacking in the first place, well deserved.
Well you are right Muk, Scourge is straight forward and you have alot of options but to have maximum utility slots available, I go Staff with Dagger/Torch for CC because Soul Marks gives you more than enough life force spamming Staff 2+3 off CD for Regen and conditions, allowing you to free up Signet of Undeath in organised or experienced groups. Staff 4 also acts as a blast finisher for your Well of Blood which is a light field for even more condi cleanse or a water field blast that your team put down for healing. I DO agree that Desiccate is kinda mandatory for Fury uptime unless you pair with a qdps that hands it out for free.
As Noxi said: Abrasive Grit - what you take in the first trait column - that cleanses 1 condi every time you hit someone with barrier: summoning a sand shade (F1), Sand Cascade (F3), and Sandstorm Shroud (F5 with the 3rd trait in 2nd column) all apply barrier and Sandstorm Shroud applies barrier 3 times before it explodes for a 4th barrier application. Combined with Nefarious Favour (F2) which converts condis to boons on 3 people per shade, you have a ton of built in Condi cleanse before you get to utility skills.
Freeing up utility slots is great for Scourge because of the powerful skills it has, not as great as FB or Chrono but still plentiful to tailor your bar for the encounter. Spectral grasp for when you need to CC Samrog among other break bars, Well of Corruption for pulsing boon corrupt, Well of Power for maximum condi cleanse (remember each application of barrier cleanses condis - for this reason i sometimes swap Blood Well for Sand Flare), Corrupt Boon for supreme boon removal great for fractals, poison cloud for Projectile block, Spectral walk for being in 2 places at once (think any mechanic that you need to run circles out [Cerus]), Bone Fiend's activate is an immobilize great in many places (like CCing Samrog or Gorsival spirits) and the supreme CC Flesh Golem for when you need to CC Samrog because your party doesn't know what CC is or Ghastly Breach for more Boon corrupt. Scourge benefits from encounter knowledge.
You have some flex in relic too: Mercy for hard PUG carries, Monk for max effective healing out put or like you said Febe for swiftness but that needs you to use Well of Blood for non-revive reasons which doesnt work in PUG settings (but is apart of the rotation on Boneskinner :P).
I do enjoy it as low-effort healer that's pretty comfy. Overall a GREAT PUG healer and if you become confident with it you should be confident to throw a group up in LFG and carry those nerds to victory whether they want to or not.
Noxi stepping in with the editor tips and tricks 😂
Thumbnails have been God Tier lately.
If they change the F5 animation to green, I bet it would be the best update to classes with those skills
Nah, there's green circle mechanics from bosses too. Give that stupid skill something else completely. A skill on yourself should never be that confusing and visually obstructive.
@@theMadFurball true, but compared to the orange circle where everyone's instinct is to go away, green circles teach you to go into the AOE, or at least gather to a group of players.
But yeah, if they have the resources for a new animation, that would be best
When ur team doges the alac in fractals 🤣
@@lloydalvarez2819Usually, yeah. But there's also exceptions like mai trin cm or samarog where green would be horrible too.
I'm at the point where I'd rather have no animation at all than what it is lmao
Make it 50% or 75% transparent. The animation is not really important to show to the player.
Heal Alac Scourge is the build that made me love healing. I do use dagger / war horn -- pistol / torch.
So like you said, dagger is great for keeping your lifeforce up but dagger 2 is also great for keeping you alive when everything is going to shit. Like in Matthias when you suddenly take a ton of damage hitting 2 will stabilize you while you rez friends or get out of the rain or running mans path.
Dagger 3 is not only an awesome boonstrip but it's a really long immobilize that comes in super handy for Gorseval and keeping Riggum in place in samarog.
So why War Horn? Well WH 4 is both a soft CC and a huge life force bump at 15% whereas Torch 4 is only 5% and nothing else. imho already worth it. Then you have WH5, it sucks that the Swiftness is only personal but the duration is so long it's permanent and while it sucks for your party, a mobile healer is better than a sluggy healer when it comes to getting to downed friends or away from danger. Also it gives a decent amount of healing to your group. It isn't a lot but it is enough to keep people topped off and it gives a little bit of life force when it hits. Torch 5 gives a little might but frankly you don't need it. I can keep my peeps at 25 easily without it. With all that together if you need to drop Signet of Undeath for Well of Power (Which really shines in Slothasar to cure the shakes and or break out of fear) it won't matter because you're getting tons of lifeforce from your weapons.
I keep pistol / torch for ranged needs and for when we need the extra CC from pistol 3 and torch 5 but frankly I don't use them very often, mainly just keeping people alive during Matthias and Samarog sacrifice phase.
I've gotten some shit for it but I felt vindicated when I saw Teapot rocking the Dagger / WH combo when they were trying to do the new CM last week.
You also have a portal, right? Can be good for mechanics.
In general you forgot to mention what utilities it has compared to like guardian, Mesmer or druid
Portal on aheal scourge is really good and fun for kiting messengers at dhuum, and for cerus.
Yeah, Muk was a little bit too locked with his Utilities. Its all good though, thats what the comments are for.
Man, you're such a great character... I am happy we have you as a content creator, please take care and keep up the good work.
Zarghol did 23k DPS on boneskinner as celestial heal scourge with Viper DPS scourge weapons, and of course managed to keep his team alive and had f4 for pulls when needed.
Scourge OP
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@@_zargholl What traits did you use for that? Blood magic + Spite?
Thx Muk for showing us the way ❤
Really enjoying the series!!
A few remarks if I may 😊
First of all i agree with your traits. I have only one other - I prefer unyielding blast instead of soul marks. I just find staff redundant but if staff is used its a fair take (but you still said you did not need to switch to staff at all which I understand)
While groups can reach 25 vuln stacks quite easily its never bad to have a bit of overcapping on that condi
In my opinion 2 things should be noted further and they are connected to each other so stick with me.
There is a LOT of freedom with relics. Healing effectiveness is not that impactful with scourge, so its perfectly viable to run a lot of other relics.
My main preference is lyhr. More about that later….
Other good options are antitoxin (for massive condi cleanse), mercy (for faster and better revives), citadel (for even stronger flesh golem CCs), febe (for perma swiftness on your group), midnight king (if you need another scource of fury and might - more to that later), dwayna (for stronger regen & sustain), speed (if you need to run mechanics and scourge portal alone is not enough), herald (if you run more minstreal and need more boon duration) or of course monk (for 10% heal. Eff. To others)
We can see that that opens up a LOT of options and should be switched according to the situation.
Because i like to run Lyhr (just a few words to that relic…i love it on scourge while fearing it on other healers - to get transferred 50% of all strike dmg to you from 5 targets can get you killed very easily. Therefore you must not only be tanky but also have massive sustain. Hsc has BOTH, but it depends on the weapon! Scourge has massive barrier and constantly cleanses conditions. If your subgroup receives even less strike dmg they are literally unkillable which makes scourge and even more massive beginner group carrier) i like to run dagger + warhorn & torch. Dagger is always in my main hand
This playstyle require more than just pure life force generation…
It needs the sustain from 3+2 dagger which heals you massively. That together with full giver (2380 toughness) makes you survive lyhr relic on boneskinner which is one of the worst single peaks of strike dmg possible! The range of the 2 & 3 are 600 btw so there is no excuse to not press it off cooldown.
Warhorn because the 5 gives you perma swiftness plus a bit of constant additional healing to your group. While the healing on scourge is not weak you only have 3 scources…healing well (which should be held back as an emergency heal/rez tool), f5 aftercast (life from death trait) and f4 (but often should also be used sparingly to have transfusion ready when needed). The 4 is also a nice cc while the torch 5 is another cc and helps massively with might uptime (4 is useless).
For me serpent siphon is a skill which is used off cooldown because of regen uptime. Just press it not right away together with f3 and f5 to not overcap the barrier. If aegis is needed that is something different altogether of course!
Desiccate is the flex slot in my opinion. Desiccate should only be taken if your group has not enough might and fury providers (most dps give both boons nearly all the time anyway). Its just necessary to know other builds/classes a bit better to know that. Especially with qdps herald you are pretty much free to ignore that. So other skills should be used as needed:
Scourge portal for obvious reasons
CPC for projectile block (adina or sabhir)
Corrupt boon for getting those pesky boons off from the bosses (vale guardian or twin largos)
Flesh worm (whisper of jormag or dhuum (especially CM))
Spectral grasp for more cc
Spectral walk for a bit of mobility and personal port
Trail of anguish in the worst, worst case of having to provide stab
And if you need to have f.e. Sand swell and the group is lacking fury? Take relic of the midnight king as stated above. You have that freedom 😊
All in all scourge is a wonderful healer that is a lot of fun. It can especially hardcarry nearly every group!!
Just hope they would either rework trail of anguish or well of power into good stab providers
And i do not agree with Muk here…he should have decent stab access. All healers should. And one stack of aegis to be able to handle all fights.
He does not need like 10 skills but either one of them like 3 stacks for 10 seconds (with 100% boon uptime) is more than enough on like a 30sec cooldown. And that is not that crippling for other builds. Hfb will always be better with stab but to have a skill providing stability and just be bad at it is not very good for a build ^^
Bro did in fact share a few remarks
You have opened my eye to new depths of Scourge gameplay.
I tried this build out in wvw tonight. had a lot of fun. i was able to keep a party member up when he got jumped by a few other players to their surprise. I'll be experimenting with this more over the next few weeks. thanks
What I don't like about the yellow circle from sandstorm shroud is that is scales with character model size, but only in the visual. So my norn has a big circle, where the outer part doesn't hit... and your asura hits outside of it's circle...
Trail of Anguish is great, it's stability + swiftness + a lesson on how to stack properly.
Can't forget it's like the only skill in the game which still has 10 man target
Other healers' stability is far superior, trail of anguish is below average as far as stability application. Far from being great.
its also a stunbreak. pretty cool
@@NoCakes Not only 10 man target but afaik infinite ally targets
It's also great for a panicked retreat in WvW when everyone and their mom is trying to pull you and your buds into the zerg death zone
I keep dodging my own F5 yellow circle every time, it's almost pavlovian
Skinner.
For future reference, horn now does grant team swiftness and trail of anguish now pulses stability once instantly as mentionned in a more recent mukluk video
There is one fight where the trail stab is enough: KO CM. if you run across the front of Li, the people that have to go out will have to go through the trail and they will receive stab. Alternatively you can activate it before moving to Li after the dash and people are likely to follow behind you. (Also as a bonus, it is one of the few remaining 10 target skills) Outside of KO it's very hard to give stab with it.
It does have another use as a personal stunbreak on 25s cooldown. Can be useful for example when learning to tank wyverns in w6.
so how is it vs dagger in terms of life force without signet of undead? I usually have more than enough to spam my shade skills off cooldown should I ever need to with just dagger, does that also work with the sword?
e: nvm it's addressed @ 4:20 thx 👍
He literally mentioned the difference of dagger and sword in the video. Did you actually watched it?
The sword generates a little over a quarter of the life force that dagger can potentially generate with its auto-attacks (although you wouldn't be auto-attacking continuously), but it's not really an issue because you'll have plenty of life force coming in. It's not something to be concerned about.
@@CuriousMoth yeah i forgot to mention that I usually don't use undead signet but from what I see it's still fine
Thx!
@@benevolentfather I don't use Signet of Undeath either, you don't need it for the life force even when using a sword. Signet of Undeath is mainly useful for pugging because it can save the terminally out of position.
An here I thought I was the only fool being spooked by my own Scourge F5 sometimes.
As a Necro main, I still often get spooked by my F5.
LOVE❤ these series of videos. After my responsibilities, I’m definitely binge watching the series
Are you gonna make a comparrison/conclusion video of the support builds? Maybe you personal tier list?
Yep I will!
@@MuklukRUclips awesome 🙏🏻
@@MuklukRUclipsdo you have an ETA on that? I have no idea how many support build you have left and how long it takes to make a vid, so sorry if this sounds insensitive
@@imdamanization No ETA at the moment, got 2 or 3 more class videos to finish then that would be after.
Quick question. I can see the good barrier, but I don't know where good healing comes from. The only thing I see is easy regen uptime, a personal heal, and I suppose F4 if you don't save it for a rez. I just don't understand where the statement 'good healing' comes from. I feel naked without a burst heal to save people who take a big hit.
I laughed too hard at the thumbnail 🤣
Would this be good as a main healer in fractals? Or is this more of a support dps? I haven't yet unlocked scourge fully, but I'm really interested in trying out fractals soon and in time also healing in them :)
Heal Scourge absolutely works in fractals paired with a quickness-dps.
@MuklukRUclips glad to hear that, thank you!
Perfect timing btw, just wanted to build a scourge so I can cover dps(reaper) and qdps(can you do power harb qdps build btw?) and aheal for fractals
yes you can do power qharb. take the same build as power reaper and change to harb 1-1-1(dps) or 1-2-2 for quick. utility: heal and elite elixir with two most damaging wells and signet of spite (passive). or at least that is how i ran it and it works great.
@@alexhin4083what about gear? would viper armor(trapper runes) with ritualist accessories work? what weapons do you use, and what's the rotation like? If you have a link to a power quick harb build I would appreciate it
Loving the videos so far, I really like the amount of time you put into it. Having said that, just a quick suggestion: try not to put text that down in the video, international people like me like to watch with subtitles on sometimes and it covers that part unfortunately. Thanks for the video again!
havent had a chance to test out sword yet. But I do like staff for the regen. I dont know off the top of my had of any fights where it doesnt work.
I don't bring signet of undeath, if you have the trait that gives life force for fears use f4 frequently and have a WH for extra fear you really shouldn't run out of life force ever.
The trail is decent for swiftness, although the stab is only useful in a few situations.
Having the long range rez is pretty nice, but its cast time is rough and if someone dies too far for me to drop well heal or pull, thats probably my fault. Example : matthias mechanics, when i see someone looking for the well, i throw heal skill and shades in their path to remove damaging condis snd keep them alive.
Sand trail is the skill that i swap out if i need grasp, cpc, or something else for niche scenerios, i prefer to have a herald as boondps on fights that require lots of stab
One of the problems with signet of undeath is that it takes a large chunk out of your own HP. There's a good chance that if the squad is falling apart and you use it then you will also go down.
You can soak some of that damage if you put barrier on yourself first. It can be hard to remember to do that in the heat of the moment but a full heal build shade f3 will soak a little under half of that damage with barrier.
Hard to believe you got Noxxi to edit this considering she made her own guide for HS 😂
So, some additional notes. Qherald is your best friend on this build. It coveres everything you cant. Party swiftness, fury, might, stability, and cc. If you have a herald you can drop Desiccate completely and take something else like Spectral Grasp or CPC. Also, correct me if im wrong, but doesn't one of the wells give group stab? Or is that just self stab?
The flesh golem despawning thing is a transformation bug. When you get frozen you go into a special transformation state and it despawns the golem. It screws with other things too like virt blades or any shades you have down. Its a real pita.
It's a 1s cast time with 25 or 30s cool down and it only gives one stack of stab on the first pulse, gives might on the others, it's not a good choice.
If it gave stab on every pulse, might be useful for some things.
Sword 3 is also a double leap finisher.
Which can be useful for auras and healing.
Your sword auto attack is a decent self heal though. Helps a ton with self sustain so you can play glass cannon and survive quite well.
A simple fix would turn the aoes green since many of us are in a sense, trained to stack in green.
i need to try this
Isn't there a well that pulses stability?
Or did they change it in an update?
Well of Power, the stability and stunbreak actually neither pulse nor affect allies so that ability is totally worthless.
It just gives 1 short application to self only on cast (not pulse).
What are your keybinds for scourge shroud skills? Is it shift+number keys?
Yeah, I usually use shift +1 through shift+ 4 for those. the Last one is a button on the side of my mouse.
@@MuklukRUclipsthis might be a weird question, but what fingers do you use? I assume you hold shift with your pinky and press the numbers with your ring finger?(and maybe middle is on W for movement?)
Well 'achually' well of power is AoE stability *fixes imaginary glasses*, mister you-tuber.
Jokes aside, thanks for the good work.
During the charge, Flesh Golem deals 150 defiance damage per hit. Depending on enemy's hitbox and positioning, it may land two to five hits on a single activation. Because the Flesh Golem strikes at least twice on the shortest hitbox size, it will at the very least deal 300 defiance damage. It can occasionally hit five times in a single cast, dealing 750 defiance damage to a target as large as Samarog.
It's always a better CC than Chilled to the Bone for necromancer for PvE, the tooltip is bugged and I can get into details if anyone's interested.
Muk is it possible to play axe as healer or it will be bad
Heal necro has some of the most flexibility with their weapons. You might be able to get away with axe, but the question is: What does it bring that you need? AoE boon removal? There aren't many situations for that in PvE. The most important thing is making sure you are generating enough death shroud energy to fuel your ability spam. I know I generate enough with dagger or sword mainhand, I haven't checked with axe.
@@MuklukRUclips thank you muk
On another topic , I main ranger (salad race) and I kind of get board with the race after 10 years , much more lean towards charr or asura, do I have to collect the pets all over again?
@@nirsamra9016 If you make a new ranger, yes you would have to recollect the pets. They are based on character, not account.
@@MuklukRUclips so annoying just wanna use my hammer on asura or charr =(
Can you use axe as main hand ?
Does the sword heal allies aswel? Or the dagger even for that matter, or just you?
none of the weapons heal anyone else, they are only personal healing
no, it's only self heal because it's a form of lifesteal. Only staff 2 does heal your party but it's weak and janky.
Call me crazy but with signet of undeath and eternal life, aren’t you overdoing it on life force.
You stated earlier that with the lesser well of blood trait, Transfusion, and Well of blood you can get someone up fast.
Is signet of undeath truly necessary?
I fully agree with you on how annoying Trail of Anguish is to use. At the same time it affects 10 targets, provides does Burning, and is a Stun Break.
Having a Stun Break to use in the event that you loose your member providing stability keeps you in the game long enough to revive them.
I just realised, I didn't see a DPS number on this build, do you remember roughly what it was?
it healer build you dont need to do dps , u need to carry teammate to not down.
Is this a q heal or a a heal?
Don't forget about SWORD 1 auto gives you self healing & SWORD 3 where it can give YOU a fat self heal if you're in trouble and everything is on cooldown. It's potentially larger of a heal than Dagger MH 3+2.
I think you also have no vigor, right?
i was there for the creation of that beautiful thumbnail
dw muk I get all the hidden references
using warhorn/torch is just so much easier than dealing with that stupid golem lol
Yes those little things Anet cant fix for years. Same as ele pets despawn on using mount.
Noxxie did cut this part out...and added it to every video since xD
And I love it
GLAD ONE OF US DOES
@@MuklukRUclips :D
you forgot the godly condi cleanse Hscrg has :)
What mouse cursor r u using ?
It's included in game. Go to settings and look for "cursor contrast" dropdown.
@@MuklukRUclipsomg really ahahaha i've skipped that for way too long TY VM :D
How's he not get bored of this game? Sheer dedication
For anyone who doesnt get the joke of the thumbnail (because I myself didnt get it at first because I have almost never watched Family Guy or whereever this scene is from): Its a dude throwing "pocket sand" at someone else to steal their luggage. Scourge throws sand at people too.
Next one the harbringer! I know its not good at all. But it got some love through elixirs with last past granting protecion. 😊
Naw, healbinger's not a thing because it's bugged in a build-destroying way. When you leave shroud, your main healing ability (Transfusion) switches off and all remaining ticks immediately cease. It could be --great-- an alrightish healer if it just didn't have that one crippling bug, but it's been reported and known about for years and they still haven't fixed it, so I wouldn't get your hopes up any time soon.
I cant wait for ur heal weaver build
Tried the heal scourge, the first 3 times I was dodging my yellow circle when pressing F5.. then I thought 'wait a minute..'
ok the circle graphic.. we need to have a discussion about "encounter design language". love it or hate it.. FF14 is fantastic at encounter design language... when you see a massive arrow over someone's head you *know* stack on them or they die.
now, to their credit Anet has gotten better but.. guys.. enemy floor makers need to *always* be red, red pain red death red red red.. if it's not red you're "ok"
Its Vigor now. I'll miss the alac
I might be in the minority here, but the trail works fine for stability application IMO. Assuming your squad is stacked on top of each other (which is the case like 99% of the time you need stability), you only need to cast the trail where you're all standing, shimmy a bit, and they will get stab. They don't even need to move. Yes, it's a bit jank, but it does solve the swiftness and stability issues you're having. If the party didn't get stab, it's because either the scourge was standing in the wrong place or the party was. If the group is semi decent, you can event drop the signet and run dagger MH instead if you need to. Also Heal Harbinger whennnnnn
Or you are just tanking and you have to face the boss away from the party, or you get penalty stacks for taking steps. Heal scourge stab application is below average, it would just need an AOE application just like other healers (and keep in mind, healers like chrono have 2 instant charges of stab + even more sources of stab/aegis + continuum split) and it would actually be playable in decent groups. In reality, in decent groups if you are using an heal scourge, you are better off with a qdps herald/chrono. Scourge's serpent is fine IMO, but it's still a bit inferior to other healer's aegis as it's not an instant cast.
sword is a lot of fun because of the movement from sw3 but I prefer pistol as the damage is significantly better with a condi setup
What's a Newspaper old man? :P
If you take Speed of Shadows in the 1st tier of soul reaping (instead of soul mark) you can basically get relic of febe on your shroud skill, which can allow you to put relic of centaur for stability on your heal. it's at least useable for battles where you don't need Aegis, and can use Serpent Siphon for the regen?
Edit: the need to be useful outweighed the testing... those are indeed only for Self, as @Alphenis points out. apologies.
Centaur and Speed of shadows work on the group ?
They need to change Sandstorm Shroud and Specter Mind Shock to not look like a boss AoE man.
Like, make it a friendly looking AoE like a Symbol and people will not run out of it.
You mean the yellow AoE? It's client sided, others can't see it, I believe.
Wow it's even more useless than I thought.
I hate heal/support, but I just might try this one. Loving the swords, and I use torch in pvp already, so now I just need to learn how to do scourge shade stuff.
you get so much life force from sword, you can just spam click all 4 at same time on cooldown, gain a ton of barrier and get rid of conditions
Is that using just the first skills for sword, or the flip skills too? Any priority on the F skills, or just off cooldown?@@c.ladimore1237
Sandstorm shroud aoe graphic with fractals flux bomb is a nightmare
I'm in the niche minority running Ghastly Breach in elite slot 🗿
I'll still salty they nerfed the rez ability capability of the scourge. It was practically the only healer that was played despite not providing key boon (alac or quick).
What we have today is totally functional, yeah, but it's a lot less classy than the "very late healer" of old.
I think it's better nowdays than before since you still have the carry potential but your still a valuable healer to experienced groups, every Temple of Febe Legendary CM video that i'v seen has at least 1 Healscourge.
Before it got Alac i remember many experienced people almost looked down upon Healscourge since the only thing it did was barrier and rez people quickly.
The boons it gave was very shitty so if many people didn't need to be revived you didn't give much to the group(unless you were doing a Plaguedoctor Scourge or something).
But to each his/her own i guess.
We actually used Sword on our Heal Scourge for our Temple of Febe Legendary CM kill ruclips.net/video/vUwDc_b_Vng/видео.htmlsi=oOcFDVUuA3mqNj1P&t=100
Is gw2 even worth getting back into?
100% on dodging beneficial circles. Especially in WvW where the same circle will have different effects for allies and enemies, and you can't tell which zerg laid it down. Super hate that.
I think in those situations the floaty ring around the circle should be the color of the team/server that put it there and make it, say, 5 pixels thicker for visibility. Then the circle itself should be red if it's hostile to you and green if its beneficial.
I always wondered why when something flesh golems that asura would yell "ARISE MY BRAINLESS!"
Also looked like it pays to have an editor that knows more about scourge than you do (or at least that's how it was edited...).
I'v played Condi Alac Scourge a lot in Fracs, Raids and Strikes and that yellow circle on your shades has screwed me over sooo many times, Anet Plz fix.
Still my Elite Spec in the game tho
Great for pve but nerfed in wvw. It would be great if you could cover a top wvw support class post patch. Nice content as always.
Still better stability than heal untamed
I found better (in almost all scenarios) going full celestial / (or a couple of pieces Plaguedoctor).
Signet of Undead is NEVER required on this healer build, you have LF for all u need always. Better should run the "poo poo" trail.. so try to manage better ur LF (NO NEED to spam all).
Swiftness, Stun break, Stab on demand (with a couple of feet movement all the ppl get covered lol).
Warhorn in 2nd weapon set is better to carry more CC and LF regen.
Dont Spam NEVER all the shades skills, Just Spam F5-F3, look for a good spot for F1... F2 just when need Condi Cleanse.... and F4 JUST when u need rezz downed ppl or when ur group lack CC.
And finally: Scpeter > Pistol > Dagger > Sword. (Others weapons options dont exist)
Greetings Muk!
Use talent for swiftness on F5 if you need it.
Shh.. I like etch-a-sketching on healscourge
helloo!!
please change back that setting the makes game look black. its not good.
*Sniffle*
WE WANT DPS SWORDS REAPER
So you just have less life force generation and less boonstrip than dagger, less heal and less cc than a wh, you play staff for no reason (you don't even swap on it on the whole video) and you don't even play stab on the showed gameplay. This is what I call peak gaming 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Sword has nearly the same life force generation as dagger (I could spam all shroud skills on cooldown), both have a boon rip skill (sword 3 corrupts 2 boons, dagger 3 corrupts 3 boons), same heal, more than enough cc but you can run warhorn in either weapon set if you want it, and as far as the "play stab" comment I'm not even sure what you are referring to there.
ok the poopoo trail is bad. But what about the, you know, the well? breaks stuns for you and allies and gives stability :
The well is like pre-patched well of precognition, it only gives personal stability.
I call it the:
Mayonaise Walk With Me
@@mimimalloc same with the stunbreak, that is also only on you
It doesn't give stun break or stability to allies.
If they patched it so it did give it to the group, scourge would be fantastic
Those mechanics on the well are self only, not group and not pulsed.
WvW support scourge dead?
No clue, I've been testing PvE stuff.