Well that's the entire point. Denigrate a popular male character, show him as broken and incompetent, then have a new female character steel his glory and show how it's supposed to be done. This is Disney's MO since Endgame.
Ugh, the “Batwoman” TV show was like this. The Arkham games & Nolan films spent a great amount of time & specific detail to explain how Bruce became Batman. You know, actual storytelling. I miss them days.
The whole idea that the Skrulls, a millennia old space faring civilization, would need to rely on humans that have never been out of our solar system to find another planet is absurd all together.
@@louisduarte8763 Captain Marvel obviously got them killed lol what other argument can there be? They didn't find a planet they never came back? She comes back. Alone. Scrulls are very mad. Big mad.
That's exactly what I was thinking. Thanos made it not just very habitable but it was basically a Titan AE in completed form! Considering he planned to retire there and seemed pretty comfortable living there before the remaining Avengers showed up, plus the Skrulls have this super-advanced space colony-station they've been chilling on for decades and the Asgardians had LESS to build a new home with, I can't imagine it being very difficult for them to colonize and rebuild their civilization on it.
The president actually declared war on "all off-world born species," as in ALL space aliens. We know there are other aliens living on Earth. I can't tell if the writers are trying to say they're all unwelcome now, of if they forgot New Asgard was a thing.
You are making the assumption that they watched the rest of the MCU. I'm guessing they didn't as they seemed to have made an absolute abomination, no pun intended, of Rhodey's character.
I've never seen them but I have it on good authority by comic book people that they used to be able to draw pretty lady skrulls even though you know it's still a reptile but it has boobas now. They didn't even give Samuel L Jackson that.
I really don't understand how the people that spent $200 million dollars on six episodes for a show that was universally disliked haven't been fired. Disney is reportedly in deep financial straits and yet they allow this and keep producing more of these girl boss style movies and shows. I'm really looking forward to the Marvels getting released....said no one ever.
it was probably in production before the huge financial problems in Disney, the execs probably thought that once things like Indy 5 and other "huge hype" movies, the viewers would come back to Disney plus. that's my take on it, might be wrong, as they might just be absolute morons
my favorite part about them not finding a planet is they were a space faring race asking a non-space faring race to find them a planet. also that going by this show the skrulls are galactic villains which means in captain marvel she saved the villains from the people trying to save everyone else from the skrulls
Exactly! From what little I've read, the Kree/Skrull war has been going on for a thousand years or so, this war has been going on for so long that both sides are the bad guys so I knew that they were going to screw this up even before they came up with this crap show, I was just hoping that they wouldn't. So much for hoping huh.
The comic version was the conclusion to (legitimately) six years worth of build up by writer Brian Michael Bendis, and the fact the Skrulls were trying to conquer the world was due to a religious prophecy, in which, after Skrollos was eaten by Galactus, the Skrulls were destined to conquer Earth and make it the new Skrollos, and the lead Skrull was a religious fanatic princess, obsessed with fulfilling the prophecy. Also, as evidenced by the fact that it took six years of build up, it was much, much bigger with nearly half the world’s superheroes and politicians replaced, for years, by Skrulls, the Skrulls being responsible for the superhero Civil War, giving each of the 50 states their own Avengers, so that at least one Skrull could infiltrate each team and crippling all the world’s Stark tech, (which had been incorporated into the headquarters, vehicles, equipment, you name it, of all of the 50 state teams), thus misleading the world into turning against Iron Man on the mistaken belief he was the lead Skrull, while deifying Norman Osborn, who convinced the world he was a changed man when his team, the Thunderbolts were able to remain operational due to their Oscorp tech and took down the Skrull princess
Exactly. Storylines like that accomplishes multiple goals in expanding the world building, showing/establishing who are the new threats and challenges that heroes must overcome, and setting up what's to come with real anticipation and investment. But, no, Marvel hates and disregards their own popular comic storylines and wanted to do "something new," but ended failing hard once again, and continue to drive away even their normie fans. They (and Disney, as a whole) really should take Einstein's definition of insanity to heart.
@@virtualrealityfitness283I mean he can be but the skrulls work was immense, and amazing. His work on the New Mutant Movement was amazing, dark hour, and his run of Spider-Man were fantastic
SI is why I don’t have any hope for Armor Wars, which quite frankly Rhodey shouldn’t headline, as he has no personal stake in it. Tony had reasons to do what he did in the original story, and Rhodey has, “hey, my friend’s generosity has provided me with this really sweet armor, so I guess I should try and do something about the unauthorized use and distribution of his tech.” Plus, after they literally wrote Rhodey and Fury as “bros” in SI, will AW be any different? Hell, thanks to SI, Gaia could find and destroy any of the Stark tech out in the world no problem!
Secret invasion should’ve been it’s own 3 year phase. Would’ve been even better if it happened in phase 1-3, but I know it couldn’t. Just feels so weird that the Rhodes reveal doesn’t even feel shocking and invalidates some past canon depending on when he became one. Secret invasion should be a bigger deal, and it sucks it isn’t.
It would have been brilliant if the Rhodey they rescued at the end was played by Terrence Howard. "Rhodey? But you look... different. How did we not notice?"
As others have pointed out they could have been dropping hints here and there. Remember when the multiple movies stood on their own and also built a bigger story?
Naw. She's talentless. Seriously, simping for Emilia? Wow. She was terrible in GoT and has been awful in everything I've seen her in. She's wooden and flat and just a bad actress.
@@davidkelly499 By Hollywood standards, she's getting and looking too old to play rom coms. Her age is allegedly 36, but everyone lies in Hollywood about their age.
But WHY do they seem to keep trying to make her into an 'Action Star'? She must be barely over 5 feet tall, and never manages to seem at all intimidating... I think she's been miscast in everything since Game of Thrones, from this to Terminator and Star Wars. Just because she rode a dragon doesn't automatically make her a good fit for serious 'Action Movies'!
I would argue it's out of character for Sonya to not shoot Rhodey herself. She was extremely trigger happy in the previous episode, she knows his death will immediately prove her story is true and, apparently, there are no legal penalties to killing a skrull.
@@zombiehunter501 I only watched Far From Home (a ride despite its *many* flaws), Werewolf By Night (wasn't as bad as I thought I'd be) and of course Guardians 3 (thank God, they finished their storyline on a high note). Anything else felt like being tortured by Drukhari.
For me I gave NWH and Guardians 3 a chance. NWH was nostalgia bait but I wouldn't have watched it if Andrew & Tobey weren't in it and I'm glad I gave Guardians 3 a chance because we got a decent closure for them.
@@indiajohnson true. Now the only thing they can do to save the franchise is either cancel or restart after Secret Wars, Crisis of Infinite Earths-style.
Didn't Fury mention that depending on the superheroes wasn't what this situation needed? What the "F" was that little speech for if you end with a super powered battle with the main villian by a character OTHER than Fury?!
What he meant was they didn't need any legacy superheroes who expected good pay checks for their work and that what they needed was someone hungry for work like Emilia where are my writers Clarke. Sam L signed up for a 30 (THIRTY!) movie deal I hope his contract ends before he does because they sure are trying to take him out.
I've noticed the same pattern across almost all entertainment...if the main hero is a man and especially a legacy character. Its the writers duty to focus as little as possible on giving the character any sorta of agency or purpose, and you then take all of the important things and what matters and shift them to other characters. The badass, always one step ahead and confident agent role was given to Coleman's character. The resolve to deal with Gravik was given to Clarke's character and even Fury's past accomplishments were given to The Skrulls..even Talo's accomplishments was diminished in the writing, POST DEATH. For every one complaining about Black Widow and how her death was handled, please, Talos was done wrong. What a awfully written and executed show.
How did he get the DNA from Thanos' team if they were dusted? Surely, there was no DNA remaining from them. How did he get the DNA from folks who were not there? Ghost and Abomination both showed up on the screen when the sample was scanned. I still can't quite figure out how non-genetic powers (i.e. Carol's powers come from an infinity stone) can be transferred via DNA) If the radiation was so dangerous to humans, how could those kidnapped live under the leaking power plant? I'd Gravik has Extremis, how did he not heal from the blast from G'iah?
Yeah... I had the same thought about Carol Danvers' powers as I don't seem to recall any time within this show that any of the characters were exposed to the Tesseract. I'd also like to know how Drax's tattoos are transferred via DNA. [derisively rolls eyes].
They managed to launder over $200 million on 6 episodes. They’ll do it again. There’s no way on earth this thing cost anywhere near that budget. That’s $35 million an episode. I’m a producer. The most expensive episode of this series didn’t exceed $5 million in cost.
Who's going to stop them? Sam Bankmanfried is getting all his charges dropped. I never wanted to believe in muh late stage capitalism but it seems like there's some looting going on.
@@marissashantez6051because the tax code is soo convoluted and with an army of accountants and attorneys, you can get away with anything. Which is why you'll get an audit notice but not a massive conglomerate (unless it's soo bad, it can't be covered up)
So your telling me this new female character which is basically named after a goddess of earth, saves everyone and beats up the big bad male character, while cucking the actual male lead out of his own show? Where have I heard this before?
Don't forget that she's the strongest ever ever ever with every characters powers. This is the definition of a fan fiction self insert OP character that doesn't fit in the universe. When/If Kang shows up she can basically look at him and he's going to die.
Don't forget she can still shapeshift as well which was Mystique's only power. Remember when super heroes had like 1 power? Magneto could do only 1 thing and he was a badass. Mystique could only transform into others and that's all she needed. Cyclops just laser beams he didn't need any other powers. Now we get a lady that's 1 bad day from splitting the Earth in Twain and and all marvel fans love it. They're probably masturbating furiously. Is this to take the heat off Brie? Does Emilia know this? Did they think there's no way anyone would find her unlikable? I don't even like that entire part of the world anymore.
It's fucking stupid too to only have powers that are associated with MCU characters from the movies that have been made. It makes the universe feel so tiny. It's just Reference-Porn and it's lame as fuck.
I’m guessing when she received all the powers she instantly knew how to use them. Training and experience gots nothing on Activist Plot Armor!!! Can Galactus just eat the MCU please?
@@ajclements4627 you mean “She”, who will come to consume Earth for the sins of the Patriarchy and White Supremacy. Until the Diversity Avengers give a speech. And yes, the CGI will be awful….
@@ajclements4627 In Fantastic Four he was just a cloud all we got was the badly CGId Silver Surfer that Jessica Alba clearly wanted to ride his surf board.
I just watched a repeat of the Star Trek TNG “Relics” episode that follows beloved engineer Scotty being brought out of a transporter pattern and thus alive for decades. He feels out of place, old, depressed, etc. But he forges bonds with the crew, particularly Capt. Picard & Jordie. He’s given a challenge to help save the Enterprise & crew thanks to his still helpful knowledge & his desire to feel useful again. He’s given a shuttle to go exploring which he chooses over going to the equivalent of an “old folks’ home”. The writing is so great and respectful without feeling too corny. It was respectful to an elder ("old man”) unlike every Disney product today. Even if Disney COULD produce something like this now, they just won’t.
or they just shoot his arm, if he's a skrull the intense pain would make him morph back to his original form. it would be nonlethal method to use in an emergency situation such as averting a nuclear strike against Russia that should have NEVER been approved in the first place!!!
The motivation of a genuine 'bad guy' is to come up with the most unjustified atrocity imaginable. Looks like the writers decided to take on that task.
They did the same thing with the Loki finale, pushed him to the side and let another character take the lime light. That was the last marvel show I watched
@alexpollock6932 they literally made a female version of him and made her stronger and smarter than him and the made her the center of the show while calling it The Loki Show 😂
@@abongilezolanipeterson5588 As we speak of Loki, season 2 starts airing October 6th and yes, female Loki is part of it also and the main villain (at least the trailer suggests it) might be Kang.
AI writing would be a vast improvement. Current Hollywood writing is uninspiring, wildly inconsistent with the character's established personalities and totally ignores canon. AI writing would simply be uninspiring.
I miss the take command Fury from Avengers. He only started to become himself the last couple of episodes. Too little action, and adding a couple of Avengers might have helped for this series to be better. But they kept this Fury's story and Amelia Clark's story. Maria Hill never should have died. Perhaps injured, then recovered would certainly be better. Writing needs to be better.
Considering that this is leading to the Marvels movie, I guess they just get lucky that Geia never uses her Capt. Marvel powers during the time the movie takes place.
This could have been a gritty spy drama/shape shifting alien invasion of the body snatchers affair. It could have been a show that focused on the story and character, Nick Fury as a superhero without any superpowers dealing with something out of his league. We could have seen what makes Fury special, his ability to think outside the box, anticipate the turnarounds and come out of it on top using only his guile and wits. It could have been a show about paranoia and trust. Instead we got garbage as usual. One wonders if Disney/Marvel enjoy pissing money down the toilet.
So, Fury didn't see the Hydra threat growing in S.H.I.E.L.D. all those years, AND THEN, doesn't see the threat of the Skrulls growing in the world?! You would think he would be a little more aware of things around him, but, apparently, it has to blow up in his face before he sees it. I think it's time for Fury to resign..
@@fireblade295 The letter C and she sound way different to you? That's your argument? Okay I guess. Nice try writer on strike with too much free time. You're one of us now. Just another brick in the wall. You will probably not believe me and it's just an anecdote but helping a family friend move the other day my Brother in his early 30s got excited about the persons dvds and vhs tapes. There used to be too many good movies to possibly catch them all. At any moment people can just look a little bit back and find such better content then what you try and spoon feed us with these weird streaming services.
I feel like everyone has suddenly forgotten how to make good storylines and dialogue all of a sudden in the past few years, perhaps it’s because the newer generations are starting to take over? that would explain a lot.
When they're not shown stories or their attention span is broken by TikTok, this is inevitable. Also ideology that breaks important narrative beats. Unsatisfying and depressing results.
A quick look at the credits will confirm it's definitely not the same people writing the stories. Most of the current writers have resumes that have barely more writing credits than the average commenter.
@@rennmaxbeta not to sound old and salty but indeed and it’s only going to get worse as that generation takes over i’m not only talking about the entertainment industry either. the movie idiocracy comes to mind.
The idea of there being no other habitable planets not only doesn't make sense in real life, it even doesn't make sense in the Marvel universe. We've seen plenty of different alien civilizations in Endgame and Guardians of the Galaxy so there would be plenty of places to live in. In real life, there are billions of stars in this galaxy alone where even if there was one Earth-like planet out of a million stars, will still give a refuge alien race a place to settle down and call home.
So the member of a space-faring-race got angry at the member of a non-space-faring-race for not finding him a planet and then he decides to blow up the planet he is on. Why is the writing so pedestrian on this series?
Yeah, the Red Lectroids from Buckaroo Banzai were smarter. They managed to trick the US government into giving them the money to build their own spaceship by posing as a propulsion engine developer.
Shouldn't all the humans being held captive have long ago died from radiation poisoning as the Skrull base was apparently seething with deadly levels of radiation?
The President declaring war on Skrulls is their analogy for people being opposed to mass immigration. They just couldn't abandon the dog without one final kick.
The fact that she seems to have ghost’s powers and that random ice blade that I can’t for the life of me figure out who that belongs to really bugged me. Also I hope you do a video on how grimdark the MCU feels now, with so many movies and tv shows setting up this seemingly inevitable global conflict between normal countries, aliens, blipped/displaced humans, Wakandans and Atlanteans, and so many others it almost feels like earth is going into a third world war and none of the heroes seem to care.
They're finally reaching comics level of "this shit is REALLY STUPID" this is why comics for the most part is better kept VERY grounded and isolated. You mix and then nothing makes sense
Writers on strike: We want more money! Random person shows them Secret Invasion, Falcon and Winter Soldier and She-Hulk. Writers: Right...never mind then we deserve to be fired.
Hold on, the ending was "The president declares war on skrulls, with rouge groups of vigilanties hunting them down accidentailly killing people who they think are also skrulls in the process"? WHY WASN'T THAT THE MAIN PREMISE OF THE SHOW? That sounds like a far better concept for a morally grey spy thriller.
Yeah way better, with Fury and Talos caught in between and in the crossfire, two men who trust and respect each other personally, but their factions and their species on the brink of a senseless war, orchestrated by dark players behind the scenes manipulating the whole thing.
@@TheAcad3mic Skrulls are planning whatever kill vector they have humanity about to unleash a bio weapon that should only target skrulls but Talos let's Fury know that no like we adapt so will the Virus! I like it way better already.
The shapeshifting aliens disguised as “us” story had been been done to death long, long before this MCU project…I can’t even believe that’s THAT what they came up with in 2023. That is was based on a popular but lousy Marvel Comics series (published deep into the comics company’s creative bankruptcy) doesn’t justify it. And the SHIELD-were-HYDRA was a wrong turn that the MCU has never recovered from.
Another stop plot hole is Roadie. If he was a Skrull after Civil War, he would have known about Thanos' Farm planet. The F'ing Skrulls can live there, and not illegally sneak in to our planet or country.
I'd hesitate to say I eat my hat if they put out a second season because you know they will. At this point, money has lost all meaning. And it's all about Message.
Easily explained. Remember, they were a spacefaring species and their clothes are either made out of unstable molecules like the ones Reed Richard has invented or their clothes are made out of nano machines. Probably nano machines. And yes, they have forgotten all the other space tech that they had, including the FTL drive they had. otherwise they could have left earth on their own.
When I was a kid, I'd watch Super Friends and think to myself "they don't need anyone besides Superman. He can do everything everyone else does.". G'iah is now Superman for the MCU.
Right now there is an executive at marvel who is checking fan reactions to the new secret invasion series and debating on whether or not he should sign the forms on his desk to renew them for a second season. He just finished watching this video and is currently signing those papers simply because he wants to see Dave make a face reveal video where he literally eats his own hat!
There's no excuse to be "disappointed" with anything Disney or Marvel anymore. If you've been paying attention, you should always expect the worst and shouldn't be watching at all.
The moment I heard Fury's response when was asked why he doesn't call the avengers, I was sure the show is a joke. Other poorly written shows and movies may fool you into thinking they're worth it, but this doesn't even try. It's pure trash.
Moral lesson: if you’re going to write bitchy dialogue about mediocre men who only got their job because of their skin colour and genitals, do not write mediocre TV stories that show you did not get your job because of merit
There's still le watchers or whoever but Kang was supposed to be up there and he got pawned by Antman who is weaker then Captain Marvel who is just one of dozens of powers the new lady has so maybe? Definitely as powerful as you can get before the whole universe starts to go squirrrely and they inevitably reboot it. I guess it depends can ants defeat Giah? Communist ants as old man pim reminds us no wonder Stark industries didn't like him. Who would you have rule you if the hero loses control The Dude Abides in a robot suit with pizza or communist ants? Yeah Pim technologies are inherently dangerous and shouldn't be used. Stark Industries is just fun all day long.
Secret Invasion clearly doesn't give a fuck about continuity. For example, the Skrulls were able to harvest DNA from established characters who were present at the Battle of Earth. But the two Skrulls (can't remember their names) impersonate Ghost and Abomination. Ghost needed Healing Particles from the Quantum Realm, which was why Scott was there when the Snap happened. Unless she also died in the Snap and was brought back, she's dead. Even if Abomination was spared, he was in Supervillain Jail at the time.
Well that's the entire point. Denigrate a popular male character, show him as broken and incompetent, then have a new female character steel his glory and show how it's supposed to be done. This is Disney's MO since Endgame.
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This is Disney's MO since TLJ.
Worse, since Force Awakens.
*steal
That Shtick along with needless race swaps has run its course as witnessed by the audience leaving and voting with their wallet.
I love how DNA apparently gives her powers that are non DNA based, and she also apparently knows how to use all of these powers with no training.
I love how she also inherits Drax's tattoos via DNA. Like only a true Girl Boss can. ☝😏
@@ScottGiorginioh god I hated that scene
Are those tattoos or racial skin patterns? Movie canon is different from comic canon.
I'm not surprised. They'll do anything to make women look good and men bad.
Ugh, the “Batwoman” TV show was like this. The Arkham games & Nolan films spent a great amount of time & specific detail to explain how Bruce became Batman. You know, actual storytelling. I miss them days.
You’re surprised that a female stole the show and was the actual hero? It’s the woke M-she-U, this is the new norm.
Right. I was not surprised. And I never watched the show. 💀
Considering their love of China, M-Xi- U works too
Yeah. If it wouldn't happen in all previous series shows, surprise, it happened here too.
Maybe the real Dave Cullen was replaced by a Skrull?
Only the LOWEST failures in life would still see these propaganda movies knowing what they are up to. Sorry excuses for people.
Reminds me of how the Romulus blamed Picard for not helping the Romulan Star EMPIRE to evacuate Romulus. Ridiculous motive.
yup, same level of garbage writing.
Also, Data was his BEST friend because he sacrificed himself in Nemesi- (F*cking lazy idiots.)
Blamed him and the federation for their refugee problem and then show up at the end of the season with over 200 ships.
Trash
Best check the writing credits to see if there's any crossover.
@@ScottGiorgini No kidding.
The whole idea that the Skrulls, a millennia old space faring civilization, would need to rely on humans that have never been out of our solar system to find another planet is absurd all together.
Yeah, this whole thing was flawed from the jump.
What happened to their ships from the end of Captain Marvel?
I’m dyslexic and saw this as space FARTING. Gave me a good laugh!
@@louisduarte8763 Captain Marvel obviously got them killed lol what other argument can there be? They didn't find a planet they never came back? She comes back. Alone. Scrulls are very mad. Big mad.
Yeah.....some top tier writing here....
If she has Captain Marvel powers now, wouldn't she be swapping places with the other Marvels in the movie?
The writers didn't think that far ahead, especially considering Maria Hill is still alive during the upcoming movie.
Shhh…they’ll hear you and do that for Marvels, the sequel.
@@Uzarranwait......WHAT????
Remember they shot Carol's scene in End Game before her full movie... So they do not give a shit about being consistant
it is the best Marvel Disney + show except the ending were Ga ia becomes a Goddess
What about that planet where they chopped Thanos’ head off? That looked fairly deserted but very habitable.
They seemed to only want planets that were already developed.
@@bethanyh1637 so the whole race is entitled. Sounds like the woke left
@@bethanyh1637 but their plan was to initiate WW3... which would destroy all infrastructure already developed by humanity.
@@GullgeeThey are terrorists only because they are oppressed!
That's exactly what I was thinking. Thanos made it not just very habitable but it was basically a Titan AE in completed form!
Considering he planned to retire there and seemed pretty comfortable living there before the remaining Avengers showed up, plus the Skrulls have this super-advanced space colony-station they've been chilling on for decades and the Asgardians had LESS to build a new home with, I can't imagine it being very difficult for them to colonize and rebuild their civilization on it.
The president actually declared war on "all off-world born species," as in ALL space aliens. We know there are other aliens living on Earth. I can't tell if the writers are trying to say they're all unwelcome now, of if they forgot New Asgard was a thing.
I’d say Thor and New Asgard should be more than a bit pissed, especially now that he has custody of the Godkiller’s daughter apparently.
It's pro illegal aliens propoganda.
You think they even considered the Asgardians?
You are making the assumption that they watched the rest of the MCU. I'm guessing they didn't as they seemed to have made an absolute abomination, no pun intended, of Rhodey's character.
Based. The message is earth is supposed to be a dumping ground for aliens while they all keep their home worlds their home worlds
Fury kissed a woman that was “in the wrong body”
No messaging there
Good point.
Excellent insight
Not a woman, but a female of another species... This is how we got AIDS :/
Yes. I haven't seen any of the series, but I picked up on this instantly from Dave's commentary.
I've never seen them but I have it on good authority by comic book people that they used to be able to draw pretty lady skrulls even though you know it's still a reptile but it has boobas now. They didn't even give Samuel L Jackson that.
I really don't understand how the people that spent $200 million dollars on six episodes for a show that was universally disliked haven't been fired. Disney is reportedly in deep financial straits and yet they allow this and keep producing more of these girl boss style movies and shows. I'm really looking forward to the Marvels getting released....said no one ever.
it was probably in production before the huge financial problems in Disney, the execs probably thought that once things like Indy 5 and other "huge hype" movies, the viewers would come back to Disney plus. that's my take on it, might be wrong, as they might just be absolute morons
It’s called failing upwards how incompetent people can keep doing this is insane
few things, ESG, Vanguard and Blackrock
Maybe we can ask that question at Kathleen Kennedy's Summer Girl Boss Retreat 2023. ☝😏
Disney can opt into bankruptcy and owe nothing. Like they did 15 years ago
Peacemaker was a better secret invasion series than whatever Disney was doing
Hell yea
Bad writing has pushed this invasion back into the sea.
It's all shit... once milinals got positions of influence it's like the mid evil dark ages of intellectual advancement.
And like another great piece of fiction has declared "THE SEA IS ALWAYS RIGHT!"
@@blaxpoitation8528LMAO
my favorite part about them not finding a planet is they were a space faring race asking a non-space faring race to find them a planet.
also that going by this show the skrulls are galactic villains which means in captain marvel she saved the villains from the people trying to save everyone else from the skrulls
Bingo this is why the MCU fucking with the canon backfired. Since they were gonna screw up like this one day
Exactly! From what little I've read, the Kree/Skrull war has been going on for a thousand years or so, this war has been going on for so long that both sides are the bad guys so I knew that they were going to screw this up even before they came up with this crap show, I was just hoping that they wouldn't. So much for hoping huh.
The comic version was the conclusion to (legitimately) six years worth of build up by writer Brian Michael Bendis, and the fact the Skrulls were trying to conquer the world was due to a religious prophecy, in which, after Skrollos was eaten by Galactus, the Skrulls were destined to conquer Earth and make it the new Skrollos, and the lead Skrull was a religious fanatic princess, obsessed with fulfilling the prophecy.
Also, as evidenced by the fact that it took six years of build up, it was much, much bigger with nearly half the world’s superheroes and politicians replaced, for years, by Skrulls, the Skrulls being responsible for the superhero Civil War, giving each of the 50 states their own Avengers, so that at least one Skrull could infiltrate each team and crippling all the world’s Stark tech, (which had been incorporated into the headquarters, vehicles, equipment, you name it, of all of the 50 state teams), thus misleading the world into turning against Iron Man on the mistaken belief he was the lead Skrull, while deifying Norman Osborn, who convinced the world he was a changed man when his team, the Thunderbolts were able to remain operational due to their Oscorp tech and took down the Skrull princess
Brain Michael bendis is a awful writer!
Exactly. Storylines like that accomplishes multiple goals in expanding the world building, showing/establishing who are the new threats and challenges that heroes must overcome, and setting up what's to come with real anticipation and investment. But, no, Marvel hates and disregards their own popular comic storylines and wanted to do "something new," but ended failing hard once again, and continue to drive away even their normie fans. They (and Disney, as a whole) really should take Einstein's definition of insanity to heart.
These movies, scenes just cant emulate solid built up. Microwave fixes
@@virtualrealityfitness283I mean he can be but the skrulls work was immense, and amazing. His work on the New Mutant Movement was amazing, dark hour, and his run of Spider-Man were fantastic
SI is why I don’t have any hope for Armor Wars, which quite frankly Rhodey shouldn’t headline, as he has no personal stake in it.
Tony had reasons to do what he did in the original story, and Rhodey has, “hey, my friend’s generosity has provided me with this really sweet armor, so I guess I should try and do something about the unauthorized use and distribution of his tech.”
Plus, after they literally wrote Rhodey and Fury as “bros” in SI, will AW be any different? Hell, thanks to SI, Gaia could find and destroy any of the Stark tech out in the world no problem!
Marvel: This show is grounded and realistic!
Also Marvel: Has a bad CGI battle in the finale
Apparently, "grounded and realistic" = "boring and unimaginative."
Secret invasion should’ve been it’s own 3 year phase. Would’ve been even better if it happened in phase 1-3, but I know it couldn’t. Just feels so weird that the Rhodes reveal doesn’t even feel shocking and invalidates some past canon depending on when he became one. Secret invasion should be a bigger deal, and it sucks it isn’t.
Secret Invasion could've worked in phases 1-3 by itself. It would've fit REALLY well with the Shield/Hydra twist.
Along with taking major cues from the comic Secret Invasion, it would've made things a lot more interesting back then.
It would have been brilliant if the Rhodey they rescued at the end was played by Terrence Howard.
"Rhodey? But you look... different. How did we not notice?"
it is the best Marvel Disney + show except the ending were Ga ia becomes a Goddess
As others have pointed out they could have been dropping hints here and there. Remember when the multiple movies stood on their own and also built a bigger story?
I love Emilia Clarke but my god she deserves to be in a better marvel show then this snooze fest.
Naw. She's talentless. Seriously, simping for Emilia? Wow.
She was terrible in GoT and has been awful in everything I've seen her in. She's wooden and flat and just a bad actress.
Terminbaitor Gynisis should have ended her career.
She seems like a nice person but a very limited actress. She should be in rom coms only based on her ability.
@@davidkelly499 By Hollywood standards, she's getting and looking too old to play rom coms. Her age is allegedly 36, but everyone lies in Hollywood about their age.
But WHY do they seem to keep trying to make her into an 'Action Star'? She must be barely over 5 feet tall, and never manages to seem at all intimidating...
I think she's been miscast in everything since Game of Thrones, from this to Terminator and Star Wars. Just because she rode a dragon doesn't automatically make her a good fit for serious 'Action Movies'!
I would argue it's out of character for Sonya to not shoot Rhodey herself. She was extremely trigger happy in the previous episode, she knows his death will immediately prove her story is true and, apparently, there are no legal penalties to killing a skrull.
Yep! I agree with you 100%! Totally out of character for her. I expected her to go “Oh never mind I’ll shoot him myself” … and then she shoots him.
a white woman cant just shoot a black man on tv.
"But why make sense? " - Disney.
Despite its flaws, Endgame wasn't just a title.
It was a *warning.*
A Warning I took. I jumped off the Marvel Train after endgame and will never buy another ticket or take one for free.
@@zombiehunter501 I only watched Far From Home (a ride despite its *many* flaws), Werewolf By Night (wasn't as bad as I thought I'd be) and of course Guardians 3 (thank God, they finished their storyline on a high note).
Anything else felt like being tortured by Drukhari.
For me I gave NWH and Guardians 3 a chance. NWH was nostalgia bait but I wouldn't have watched it if Andrew & Tobey weren't in it and I'm glad I gave Guardians 3 a chance because we got a decent closure for them.
@@indiajohnson true. Now the only thing they can do to save the franchise is either cancel or restart after Secret Wars, Crisis of Infinite Earths-style.
Didn't Fury mention that depending on the superheroes wasn't what this situation needed? What the "F" was that little speech for if you end with a super powered battle with the main villian by a character OTHER than Fury?!
Simple. They think that as long as there is a superhero battle at the end, that all sins will be hidden.
What he meant was they didn't need any legacy superheroes who expected good pay checks for their work and that what they needed was someone hungry for work like Emilia where are my writers Clarke. Sam L signed up for a 30 (THIRTY!) movie deal I hope his contract ends before he does because they sure are trying to take him out.
I've noticed the same pattern across almost all entertainment...if the main hero is a man and especially a legacy character. Its the writers duty to focus as little as possible on giving the character any sorta of agency or purpose, and you then take all of the important things and what matters and shift them to other characters. The badass, always one step ahead and confident agent role was given to Coleman's character. The resolve to deal with Gravik was given to Clarke's character and even Fury's past accomplishments were given to The Skrulls..even Talo's accomplishments was diminished in the writing, POST DEATH. For every one complaining about Black Widow and how her death was handled, please, Talos was done wrong. What a awfully written and executed show.
How did he get the DNA from Thanos' team if they were dusted? Surely, there was no DNA remaining from them.
How did he get the DNA from folks who were not there? Ghost and Abomination both showed up on the screen when the sample was scanned.
I still can't quite figure out how non-genetic powers (i.e. Carol's powers come from an infinity stone) can be transferred via DNA)
If the radiation was so dangerous to humans, how could those kidnapped live under the leaking power plant?
I'd Gravik has Extremis, how did he not heal from the blast from G'iah?
Yeah... I had the same thought about Carol Danvers' powers as I don't seem to recall any time within this show that any of the characters were exposed to the Tesseract. I'd also like to know how Drax's tattoos are transferred via DNA. [derisively rolls eyes].
To quote Todd Howard: "It just Works."
Mcu thanks we’re dumb!
A wizard did it.
lots of great points!
I really expected Fury to stop the aliens by twerking at them, right before declaring he is trans.
They managed to launder over $200 million on 6 episodes. They’ll do it again.
There’s no way on earth this thing cost anywhere near that budget. That’s $35 million an episode. I’m a producer. The most expensive episode of this series didn’t exceed $5 million in cost.
Who's going to stop them? Sam Bankmanfried is getting all his charges dropped. I never wanted to believe in muh late stage capitalism but it seems like there's some looting going on.
Why do you think the IRS isnt checking into this?
@@marissashantez6051because the tax code is soo convoluted and with an army of accountants and attorneys, you can get away with anything. Which is why you'll get an audit notice but not a massive conglomerate (unless it's soo bad, it can't be covered up)
@@MWH12085 Tell that to Roger Stone whom they wanted to put in jail for life for simply owing the IRS money.
So your telling me this new female character which is basically named after a goddess of earth, saves everyone and beats up the big bad male character, while cucking the actual male lead out of his own show?
Where have I heard this before?
Don't forget that she's the strongest ever ever ever with every characters powers. This is the definition of a fan fiction self insert OP character that doesn't fit in the universe. When/If Kang shows up she can basically look at him and he's going to die.
Giving the mother of dragons the powers of every single avenger, guardian and thanos associate is the stupidest thing ever
And without a counter balance or cost of having those abilities. Even Superman has Kryptonite and Wonder Woman can be mind controlled.
She is all the Jed- erm, supers.
Don't forget she can still shapeshift as well which was Mystique's only power. Remember when super heroes had like 1 power? Magneto could do only 1 thing and he was a badass. Mystique could only transform into others and that's all she needed. Cyclops just laser beams he didn't need any other powers. Now we get a lady that's 1 bad day from splitting the Earth in Twain and and all marvel fans love it. They're probably masturbating furiously. Is this to take the heat off Brie? Does Emilia know this? Did they think there's no way anyone would find her unlikable? I don't even like that entire part of the world anymore.
Yes, but... GIRLBOSS! Don't you understand? GIRLBOSS!
It's fucking stupid too to only have powers that are associated with MCU characters from the movies that have been made. It makes the universe feel so tiny. It's just Reference-Porn and it's lame as fuck.
Secret invasion of bad writers at Disney
It seems to be a recurring theme; the main character becoming a guest star in their own series.
Only if the main actor is a man.
They been doing it to Miles Morales in the comics all the time, they love fucking around like this
No. The main MALE character becoming a guest star. Ken isnt the main star of Barbie movie is he?
I’m guessing when she received all the powers she instantly knew how to use them. Training and experience gots nothing on Activist Plot Armor!!! Can Galactus just eat the MCU please?
Galactus will be a crappy CG character (when he shows up) unfortunately.
@@ajclements4627 you mean “She”, who will come to consume Earth for the sins of the Patriarchy and White Supremacy. Until the Diversity Avengers give a speech. And yes, the CGI will be awful….
@@ajclements4627 In Fantastic Four he was just a cloud all we got was the badly CGId Silver Surfer that Jessica Alba clearly wanted to ride his surf board.
I just watched a repeat of the Star Trek TNG “Relics” episode that follows beloved engineer Scotty being brought out of a transporter pattern and thus alive for decades. He feels out of place, old, depressed, etc. But he forges bonds with the crew, particularly Capt. Picard & Jordie. He’s given a challenge to help save the Enterprise & crew thanks to his still helpful knowledge & his desire to feel useful again. He’s given a shuttle to go exploring which he chooses over going to the equivalent of an “old folks’ home”. The writing is so great and respectful without feeling too corny. It was respectful to an elder ("old man”) unlike every Disney product today. Even if Disney COULD produce something like this now, they just won’t.
I mean, they could have just tested Rhodes blood to prove he was a Skrull...
@@Matt_Barkley The show established that removing a part of the body reverted it back into its Skrull form... including blood.
Are they Skrulls or knock off Tyranids? Or knock off Genestealers?
or they just shoot his arm, if he's a skrull the intense pain would make him morph back to his original form. it would be nonlethal method to use in an emergency situation such as averting a nuclear strike against Russia that should have NEVER been approved in the first place!!!
@@AntiKira20The Great Devourer approves this
@@Ihavethetouch I honestly don't know if the "Great Devourer" would approve of knock offs. The Emperor Protects!
The motivation of a genuine 'bad guy' is to come up with the most unjustified atrocity imaginable. Looks like the writers decided to take on that task.
Eh if the writers had that power irl we all know they'd press the nuke button
MCU has reached the fat Elvis stage of it’s run
They did the same thing with the Loki finale, pushed him to the side and let another character take the lime light. That was the last marvel show I watched
@alexpollock6932 they literally made a female version of him and made her stronger and smarter than him and the made her the center of the show while calling it The Loki Show 😂
@@abongilezolanipeterson5588 As we speak of Loki, season 2 starts airing October 6th and yes, female Loki is part of it also and the main villain (at least the trailer suggests it) might be Kang.
I was very brave. I went through 2 full episodes and almost 15 min. of third one. That's all I could manage 😂
That's why we have Disparu, so we can watch the series and still be entertained.
Will it ever end? Does literally every escapism on Earth have to be like this? Smh
Are we sure Secret Invasion isn't written by AI ?
No we are not.
AI writing would be a vast improvement. Current Hollywood writing is uninspiring, wildly inconsistent with the character's established personalities and totally ignores canon. AI writing would simply be uninspiring.
@adzmo5422 good point 😀👍
Absolute Idiots (AI)? I'm pretty sure it was.
If by AI you mean Activist Imbeciles, then that's a good bet.
I miss the take command Fury from Avengers. He only started to become himself the last couple of episodes. Too little action, and adding a couple of Avengers might have helped for this series to be better. But they kept this Fury's story and Amelia Clark's story. Maria Hill never should have died. Perhaps injured, then recovered would certainly be better. Writing needs to be better.
You're barking up the wrong tree my good man
Writing needs to be better?!
Hilarious
Considering that this is leading to the Marvels movie, I guess they just get lucky that Geia never uses her Capt. Marvel powers during the time the movie takes place.
Carol Danvers failed the Skrulls.
And why the hell don't aliens ever just terraform Mars? It's literally right there.
This could have been a gritty spy drama/shape shifting alien invasion of the body snatchers affair. It could have been a show that focused on the story and character, Nick Fury as a superhero without any superpowers dealing with something out of his league. We could have seen what makes Fury special, his ability to think outside the box, anticipate the turnarounds and come out of it on top using only his guile and wits. It could have been a show about paranoia and trust. Instead we got garbage as usual. One wonders if Disney/Marvel enjoy pissing money down the toilet.
Why did the writers of this show think it was a good idea to make Rhodes a Skrull?!
I'm so thankful I'd completely missed it. Thanks for enduring it for us. Slán slán
Dont let anyone push you around Dave. You're a good man and I love your work. Thanks for all the information you share.
When I saw the title of this video I thought KK had finally been replaced. Now I'm sad.
So, Fury didn't see the Hydra threat growing in S.H.I.E.L.D. all those years, AND THEN, doesn't see the threat of the Skrulls growing in the world?! You would think he would be a little more aware of things around him, but, apparently, it has to blow up in his face before he sees it. I think it's time for Fury to resign..
The moment G'iah was introduced you had to suspect her of being the "hero" of the show. This is the M-She-U after all...🤦♂
I called her being the one to look the main bad guy as soon as she became a super skrull.
Suspect? It was obvious. They could shock us by it not happening.
Doesn't even fit. I never pronounced my she as c...good try, little fandom menace.
@@fireblade295 The letter C and she sound way different to you? That's your argument? Okay I guess. Nice try writer on strike with too much free time. You're one of us now. Just another brick in the wall. You will probably not believe me and it's just an anecdote but helping a family friend move the other day my Brother in his early 30s got excited about the persons dvds and vhs tapes. There used to be too many good movies to possibly catch them all. At any moment people can just look a little bit back and find such better content then what you try and spoon feed us with these weird streaming services.
I liked how the superpower machine was able to identify all the different DNA by name like they already knew what it was.
If You want to see a real struggle against shapeshifters then there is always the Dominion War in DS9
So someone like Peter Quill can live in other planets but there’s no planet suitable for Skrulls besides Earth??
I feel like everyone has suddenly forgotten how to make good storylines and dialogue all of a sudden in the past few years, perhaps it’s because the newer generations are starting to take over? that would explain a lot.
When they're not shown stories or their attention span is broken by TikTok, this is inevitable. Also ideology that breaks important narrative beats. Unsatisfying and depressing results.
It's the Tumblr generation, I'd recognize this crap anywhere.
A quick look at the credits will confirm it's definitely not the same people writing the stories. Most of the current writers have resumes that have barely more writing credits than the average commenter.
Inexperienced, unskilled Tiktok gen writers
@@rennmaxbeta not to sound old and salty but indeed and it’s only going to get worse as that generation takes over i’m not only talking about the entertainment industry either. the movie idiocracy comes to mind.
Thanks once again Dave for taking one for the team
“SHE Flies now !!”
BRAVO THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTRIBUTION AND TAKING ONE FOR THE TEAM
It's hard to believe the male main character was sidelined by an unknown female character in a Marvel show.
No it’s not. Lol.
I heard Secret Invasion was shot originally to be a Movie. Hence the short episode.
You can now understand why studio execs want to replace writers with AI.
I think they already have. You see she-hulk?
There is no way any of that show could have been made with something that is called “Intelligence”, Artificial or otherwise.
agree, but I don't think AI can do any better.
I hope that when I request a personal movie instantly written by AI (hopefully that will be an option), I can opt for the Anti-woke (AW) rating...
The idea of there being no other habitable planets not only doesn't make sense in real life, it even doesn't make sense in the Marvel universe. We've seen plenty of different alien civilizations in Endgame and Guardians of the Galaxy so there would be plenty of places to live in. In real life, there are billions of stars in this galaxy alone where even if there was one Earth-like planet out of a million stars, will still give a refuge alien race a place to settle down and call home.
So the member of a space-faring-race got angry at the member of a non-space-faring-race for not finding him a planet and then he decides to blow up the planet he is on. Why is the writing so pedestrian on this series?
Yeah, the Red Lectroids from Buckaroo Banzai were smarter. They managed to trick the US government into giving them the money to build their own spaceship by posing as a propulsion engine developer.
And Dave forgot to mention that the Kree & Skrulls conflict is (or is about to be) resolved offscreen with Fury getting a peace summit. No joke
thanks for the analysis! Always interesting!
Shouldn't all the humans being held captive have long ago died from radiation poisoning as the Skrull base was apparently seething with deadly levels of radiation?
There you go with all that LOGIC. 🥴
I thought all the kidnapped humans would be braindead from all the memory sucking.
The President declaring war on Skrulls is their analogy for people being opposed to mass immigration.
They just couldn't abandon the dog without one final kick.
Thank you for your sacrifice.
I’m glad you are watching and reviewing this. Now I don’t need to waste time hoping “maybe this one will be good…”
(World plunged into chaos)
Fury: (stands proud) my work here is done. Beam me up Scotty.
LOL! So glad I didn't waste my time watching this. Thank you for the review.
Fury had a many chances to shoot rhodes but no they had to make more episodes
How are all the captured humams not dead from radiation poisoning?
The fact that she seems to have ghost’s powers and that random ice blade that I can’t for the life of me figure out who that belongs to really bugged me. Also I hope you do a video on how grimdark the MCU feels now, with so many movies and tv shows setting up this seemingly inevitable global conflict between normal countries, aliens, blipped/displaced humans, Wakandans and Atlanteans, and so many others it almost feels like earth is going into a third world war and none of the heroes seem to care.
They're finally reaching comics level of "this shit is REALLY STUPID" this is why comics for the most part is better kept VERY grounded and isolated. You mix and then nothing makes sense
Meanwhile, writers are still on strike demanding more money...
Could you imagine what Tarantino could do with a series where Samuel L. Jackson was the lead role? My god the records he'd break.
Don't forget the fact the US declared war on New Asgard
The way the writers forgot there were multiple non-human populations living on the planet
Writers on strike: We want more money!
Random person shows them Secret Invasion, Falcon and Winter Soldier and She-Hulk.
Writers: Right...never mind then we deserve to be fired.
Daily reminder:
Remember not to pay people that disdain you and the things you love.
Hold on, the ending was "The president declares war on skrulls, with rouge groups of vigilanties hunting them down accidentailly killing people who they think are also skrulls in the process"?
WHY WASN'T THAT THE MAIN PREMISE OF THE SHOW? That sounds like a far better concept for a morally grey spy thriller.
Yeah way better, with Fury and Talos caught in between and in the crossfire, two men who trust and respect each other personally, but their factions and their species on the brink of a senseless war, orchestrated by dark players behind the scenes manipulating the whole thing.
@@TheAcad3mic Skrulls are planning whatever kill vector they have humanity about to unleash a bio weapon that should only target skrulls but Talos let's Fury know that no like we adapt so will the Virus! I like it way better already.
The shapeshifting aliens disguised as “us” story had been been done to death long, long before this MCU project…I can’t even believe that’s THAT what they came up with in 2023. That is was based on a popular but lousy Marvel Comics series (published deep into the comics company’s creative bankruptcy) doesn’t justify it.
And the SHIELD-were-HYDRA was a wrong turn that the MCU has never recovered from.
Are these shows just a front for laundering money?
2:43 Also, wait a fucking second, Ant-Man's powers to shrink aren't in his DNA!!!!
Drax’s tattoos aren’t part of his DNA either.
I'm pretty sure it was Danvers' job to find them a home.
Captain Marvel literally ended with the Skrulls on a ship and Captain Marvel flying them into space to find a home iirc
Oh, I'm sure they'll address her failure in "The Marvels" . . .
Surely they must . . .
@@DuneStone6816She would have but the patriarchy stopped her
Another stop plot hole is Roadie. If he was a Skrull after Civil War, he would have known about Thanos' Farm planet. The F'ing Skrulls can live there, and not illegally sneak in to our planet or country.
I'd hesitate to say I eat my hat if they put out a second season because you know they will. At this point, money has lost all meaning. And it's all about Message.
A plate of crow might be more appetizing.
It was down hill after they called the Thanos snap “The Blip”
This is now the MCU gotta be kidding me!
What I don't understand is how they are able to just morph clothing on them when they change. Never made sense to me. The clothes shouldn't change.
Easily explained. Remember, they were a spacefaring species and their clothes are either made out of unstable molecules like the ones Reed Richard has invented or their clothes are made out of nano machines. Probably nano machines.
And yes, they have forgotten all the other space tech that they had, including the FTL drive they had. otherwise they could have left earth on their own.
Time to bring in a multiverse replacement Nick Fury. Can't wait to see Hasselhoff back in action....
he was actually a good Nick Fury..
Good points.
Thanks for guaranteeing a second season. The way Disney likes to waste money, you should probably seek out a delicious hat.
When I was a kid, I'd watch Super Friends and think to myself "they don't need anyone besides Superman. He can do everything everyone else does.".
G'iah is now Superman for the MCU.
Right now there is an executive at marvel who is checking fan reactions to the new secret invasion series and debating on whether or not he should sign the forms on his desk to renew them for a second season. He just finished watching this video and is currently signing those papers simply because he wants to see Dave make a face reveal video where he literally eats his own hat!
There's no excuse to be "disappointed" with anything Disney or Marvel anymore. If you've been paying attention, you should always expect the worst and shouldn't be watching at all.
Well Velma got a season 2, so I guess Secret Invasion will 2.
Now Dave has to eat his hat. RIP.
How in the hell did Ghost’s DNA give G’iah powers, when her abilities weren’t related to DNA at all
The old QM show, The Invaders ( 1967-1968) did a vastly superior job of depicting a stealthy Secret Invasion by aliens who could imitate human beings.
The moment I heard Fury's response when was asked why he doesn't call the avengers, I was sure the show is a joke. Other poorly written shows and movies may fool you into thinking they're worth it, but this doesn't even try. It's pure trash.
The probable cause: MODERN FEMINISM!
Moral lesson: if you’re going to write bitchy dialogue about mediocre men who only got their job because of their skin colour and genitals, do not write mediocre TV stories that show you did not get your job because of merit
Of the entire 6 episodes, I only have 1 question, Is Giah the most powerful being in the MCU now?
There's still le watchers or whoever but Kang was supposed to be up there and he got pawned by Antman who is weaker then Captain Marvel who is just one of dozens of powers the new lady has so maybe? Definitely as powerful as you can get before the whole universe starts to go squirrrely and they inevitably reboot it. I guess it depends can ants defeat Giah? Communist ants as old man pim reminds us no wonder Stark industries didn't like him. Who would you have rule you if the hero loses control The Dude Abides in a robot suit with pizza or communist ants? Yeah Pim technologies are inherently dangerous and shouldn't be used. Stark Industries is just fun all day long.
Didn’t the same thing happen with Bo Katan and the Mandolorian, Mando was sidelined, on his own show, for Bo. I’m wrong or is this the same thing?
It cost over 200mill to make? can't see where that money went at all😅
Secret Invasion clearly doesn't give a fuck about continuity. For example, the Skrulls were able to harvest DNA from established characters who were present at the Battle of Earth. But the two Skrulls (can't remember their names) impersonate Ghost and Abomination.
Ghost needed Healing Particles from the Quantum Realm, which was why Scott was there when the Snap happened. Unless she also died in the Snap and was brought back, she's dead.
Even if Abomination was spared, he was in Supervillain Jail at the time.