Lazy Man's Bow Drill Fire (No Notch)
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- Опубликовано: 1 мар 2018
- Don't feel like carving a notch in your hearth? If you get a few key things right, you might be able to get away with skipping it.
You'll need a platform of tinder that can catch the falling dust and hold it up near the hot spindle. You'll also want to put a pointed tip on your spindle and position close to the edge so that a bit of it is hanging over the side.
Tilt the hearth slightly toward the tinder platform to make it easy for the dust to collect there. Finally, you may need to alter the angle of your drill to keep it in the sweet spot where it cuts its own notch.
Get all that right, and you might just end up with an ember. In reality, it's a lot less complicated just to cave a v-notch, but this could be helpful if you were working without a proper cutting tool.
Unfortunately, when the hearth tilted, the curls ended up obscuring the view a bit. If you want to see this demonstrated from a better angle, here is a link to and older video showing a similar method.
No Notch Bow Drill (Silver Fir)
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The set in the older video was made with very dry Silver Fir, so I was able to get away with keeping the drill away from the edge, but I recommend trying to get the spindle overhanging at least a little for optimal results.
The set was Red Alder and the knife is a Terävä Jääkäripuukko 140
Special thanks to BCUSA member @rsnurkle for helping me fine tune this method with thoughtful questions.
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Those were some awesome feather sticks. Also liked your shortcut hearth board style
Thanks again Lonnie! 🙂
Turining two feathersticks into a tinder bundle was a nice trick too.
@@TheLightningGate exactly my thoughts too, was always wondering if this would work. But yeah if you make upwards of ten curls per feather and each stick with 50 feathers I guess it makes sense. I think this is a great idea because now you can even make a bow drill fire in wet conditions and not worry about finding some dry tinder somewhere, if you can baton down some dead standing birch you pretty much can get a fire going with this method it seems. I like it very much, will definetly give that a try sometime.
@@nwprimate6416 NW and Far North engaging and converging via electronic media. Sweet. You are both treasures to the art of bushcraft.
Totally amazing my friend. I finally figured out why we never see your face. You’re the fire master from an alien world of fire makers. God bless you anyway.John
😀 Thanks John!
That's a great theory, I personally think that he has heard the tales of Prometheus and is slightly concerned about what happened to him!
I've read all the comments and there's nothing I can add to this master piece !
Thanks Gary!
Another great video. I've always struggled at friction fires, so tended to go to the ferro rod. Your videos shows me there is hope. I'll give it a go this weekend in the beautiful Adirondacks of NY.
Thanks Hue! 🙂 Just for clarification, a conventional v-notch is often more reliable than this method, so you may want to use that until you get the hang of it. Just let me know if there are any questions I can help you with.
Nice! I like the idea of using a nest as the ember catch and the dual feather sticks is fantastic. Thank you for the great ideas!
Thanks Hiker Bro!
Feather stick perfection on display here!
Thanks Gus!
45 seconds into re-watching this and a light bulb went off. That point on the bottom of your spindle is not something I noticed before. No wonder my flat-bottom spindles go roaming across the hearth and then flying through the air. LOL! Thank you, again, Brian!
Just keep in mind that the pointier you make the tip, the more of the hearth you will use up during the burn-in. I exaggerated the point on this spindle to keep it in place because I didn't have a notch. A little point on your spindle should help a lot though.
Lazy man, yeah right - Only if you have the skills of a magician! Awesome Brian!👍
I meant you are the magician!!!
Thanks Thomas. 🙂
another great one. And every time I watch one of your videos I am amazed at those super awesome looking feather sticks. They look like artwork.
Thanks buddy!
So calming and enjoyable
your feather sticks are insane! Great skill! The way you do them so fast on the knife is very talented.
Just lots of practice. 👍
BEST videos on the internet! Thank you.
Precise work at the edge of the fire board, well demonstrated my friend, wish you a great weekend, Taro
Thanks Taro! You have a great weekend too buddy. I hope you're getting out and having fun in the woods. 🙂
I haven't watched your channel long but since the start every video is great. A true master of video and fire. Thank you.
Thanks Mike!
Always learn something new from watching your films. Fantastic stuff. The best channel on RUclips or anywhere. Thankyou for sharing your knowledge and techniques 👍.
Rick and Billy 👍
Thanks guys! :)
You have great videos ....very well done and unique in presentation. Also, the finest feather sticks I have seen.
Thanks again Wayne!
Impressive. Love the feather sticks. If there is such a thing called feather stick art, your it!
Thanks Gary! 🙂
A joy to watch, thanks.
Thanks David!
You are the real Master of primitive fire making!
An enthusiastic student. 😆
What an excellent video my friend!! Well done!
Thanks BB&B!
Love the backround music. The Gael is one of the best songs I ever.
Love that soundtrack
Love the quality of these vids.
Thanks Bush Echo!
Well executed sir....
everything as it such be, no rush .
Thanks Craig!
Well done,nicely executed
Thanks Steve ☺️
damn gump you're a damn genius!!! congratulation!!!
I'm going to have to try this now. Thanks!
Have fun out there! 🙂
Once again another excellent video showing alternatives, I really appreciate seeing those. And then of course the most important aspect of the fire, bacon - LOL
Thanks Michigan Hiker! Bacon really seals the deal. 🙂
Awsome video, great job!
:)
Absolutely amazing, especially for a guy living in the Pacific Northwet!
Thanks Gonagain! 🙂
Awesome as always... exceptional jedi lie technique.. THose feather sticks are thing of beauty as well! 5/5
🙂 Thanks BCB!
Nicely done.... Love your videos. Now that's connected to the NW!
Thanks again man.
Great job tHe first real world fire completion I’ve seen I’m still learning in controls conditions
Thanks John. It is great to hear that you're getting started! 👍
Never seen this before...have only seen no notch hearth where the ember forms around the rim on top. Must have to be fairly precise so as not to blow the side of the hearth out. Amazing as always thanks!
Thanks Christopher. I've only been able to get a few of those embers up top like that. This tinder platform works a lot better for me. I hope you get out there and give it a shot when you have time.
Always awesome brother!
Thanks Tim!
Amazing as always my brother,hope you are well.
Bill
Thanks Bill. I'm doing well and hope the same is true for you.
How is this channel not more popular??
Way more people watching now than last year. 🙂
I find it so peaceful watching these videos especially in these troubled times, Thanks.
Very good. Thank you very much
Thanks Thomas! 🙂
We always have fun look. All that is about studying! However, you can not imitate skills like you. I am also looking forward to future postings.😉👍
I still fail all the time too. It happens less often with practice, but don't get discouraged if you can't make all of these things work the first few times.
Great Song
Thanks Francis.
I wish i would have known this method when i made all set with stone tools. It would made big difference. It took almost a hour to saw the notch. Good idea ! I use it next time.
Thanks buddy! That's awesome that you made a set with stone tools. I haven't been successful with that yet, but will keep trying. It's actually one of the reasons I've been exploring alternative hearths. Do you have a video from the stone tool set? I would love to see it.
Yes i do. Its Estonian but i think you understand what we do. First set didnt work. Second was a success. But there is much more. Transporting water with mosh and boiling it in log. ruclips.net/video/rY77XEqZ1K4/видео.html
Thanks for the link Alvar. I'll be checking it out soon and can't wait to see what I can learn from you.
Man those are some suh-WEEEEEEET curls on those feather sticks!
Thanks Jeff!
I still have some learning to do, saw this video today and gave it a try but it was a no go for me. Got my little ones to film me doing your side-hole hearth method and that was a success. Your videos are very cool and they push me to test myself!
Awesome! It's always great to hear that people are trying this stuff instead of just watching. Did you get any video of either of the two attempts?
I got video of the side-hole hearth attempt. As soon as I get the chance I'll edit it and put it up!
Edit: Got the video uploaded!
I was successful with the Lazy Man method today, I'll be posting the video shortly!
Obviously you have mad skills making fires. But I love the no talking style of making videos. Pictures show far more than words and with your impressive camera skills it becomes magic.
I appreciate appreciate you taking the time to say so lakrabid!
YEAH...
, keep on the Fire Burning. You're Awesome, I love you're incredible fine Video with the Western Guitar Acoustic Version of the last Mohican. SAUGEIL as we are used to comment here❤🤩☀️
Greetings from Bavaria 🦊
Yeah nice demo! 👍😀👊
Thanks Bart!
Awesome!
Thanks Michael!
I just found you and am really stoked.. I live in Brush Prairie Wa on Larch Mtn. And am going up high saturday with a friend and am practicing these methods along with a ferrous rod and we have never tried. I feel it’s very important to learn these ways. We’re very outdoorsy and i feel ashamed i’ve never done this, i don’t even know how to identity the right wood! I expect it to be rough but will nonetheless be filming our attempt. Thanks for the good direction!
How did it go?
@@nwprimate6416 Terrible!! Haha we were in a rain storm on the side of the mountain and everything failed. Could not even get a fire started with a torch! It was definitely a learning experience and ! have even more respect for your skills now. I did not fail to take from the lesson.
@@MOTOBRANDON I've had days like that too. I'm glad to hear you took it in stride as a learning experience. Keep practicing buddy! :)
You make it look so easy. : ]
Thanks Qarlo!
I've very much enjoyed your Instagram, very happy I've found your RUclips channel.
Thanks Brendon!
I reckon "lazy" is expedient - quick - saves time and burned calories in cold weather . I'll stick with lazy every time . Great video NW Primate . Say hello to Lupo & ATB .
Thanks MT! I couldn't agree more. Using the term "Lazy" was kind of tongue in cheek. Lupo is sitting here getting a little extra attention at your request. 🙂
+NW Primate - At my age . Lazy sounds good but might not work for someone who doesn't have your skill level and intuitive "feel" for what is happening with spindle and hearth .
Am still impressed with your magic wand feather sticks and thanks for saying howdy to your awesome dog .
Waiting for that Terävä Jääkäripuukko 140 to restock.😊 And when you held up that ball of feathers, my first thought was “wow, those look perfect.”
🙂
you r a bow drill MASTER:-)
Thanks sawdust 69! 🙂
Those were the best feather sticks I've ever seen wow
Thanks mortsdan! 🙂
Never underestimate the power of multiple fatwood feathersticks. Don't expect just one to be enough, especially in wet weather conditions. Prepare EVERYTHING before going for the ember. Well done, again.
those are not fatwood feathersticks tho...
@@nils-ph3zs okay, that checks out. I had to watch this again to see that you're right. WTH do I know anyway? My feather sticks look like sticks laying next to a pile of shavings...because I'm lousy at making them. 🤯
Well done mate! Good video :)
Thanks BCB! I haven't seen you over on BCUSA in a while. I can't remember if I mentioned this to you before, but there was a thread started a while back where your name kept popping up. 🙂 bushcraftusa.com/forum/threads/board-and-cotton.212493
I don't get on youtube or the forums much anymore. Busy with work lately and what not. I gave this a look and wanted to thank you for bringing me up like that. Thank you. I'm behind on watching videos so I might try to watch some today.
Of course real life comes first. I hope you get more time to play in the future though.
Thank you again friend. I hope so, too.
Seriously good knife skills there! But lazy? You put a shit ton of work into that fire! Best feathers I've seen, brother!
Thanks Zoltan. The title was a little tongue in cheek. 😆
Watched this again just to remind myself how great your skills were / are. Have not seen you making anything in a long while, Hoping all is well with you my friend.
Great to hear from you buddy! I've been working on new skills but there will be more videos here eventually.
Having trouble getting the ember to take in the grass bundles, so far all fails. Made curlier curls but that wasn't it. But this viewing I noticed you compressed the bundle & left it awhile before transferring to the tinder bundle, will try that next. Am having more fun than you can imagine, thanks NW Primate.
Also read your "Building" an Ember thread in BCUSA and have to say the information was very concise. Sure hope more bow/hand drillers head your way!
Way to stick with it TC. I like to let my ember sit and get strong for quite a while before moving anything, and I think this is especially important with this method. It was neat seeing you post in the FFT thread over at BCUSA too. It would be great to see some photos or video of your experiments, both for troubleshooting and my own interest.
Thanks NW Primate, have really taken to the challenge of FF after watching your video's. Was finally able to take a LMBD ember to flame, albeit in an unusual fashion.
Awesome
Very cool! 👍🏼🍺
Thanks buddy!
Very impressive though, nice job
Awesome as always. Just curious about how often you practice your friction fire skills?
Thanks BB! I try to sneak in an hour or two of practice most days. It doesn't always fit in the schedule, but I do my best to make time for it.
I agree with cinnamon donkys comment. Your feather sticks look like a Dale Chihuly sculpture. So beautiful
Nice
Just when I thought there is no other way of bow drilling, you show this unique method, awesome NW Primate! Definitely appears less work, although I wonder how easy it is to seat the drill in just the right place on the hearth board. Will be interesting to try tomorrow with poplar, cheers!
Thanks TC! You can check out my reply to Catherine Perrett (Charlie) below for some details that might be helpful. Let me know how it goes!
whenever I see a successful bowdrill fire I audibly yell "YES!"
Nice Brian! I'd like to see a video on how you sharpen your knife. It's always screamin sharp. I like fire too. Haha
Thanks MrSrtman18!
As if this video wasn't cool enough, you had to go and add some perfectly cooked bacon at the end.
You do a great job filming your vids, I know how hard it is in our climate. So cool that Lonnie follows
you too... have watched FNBS for a long time, and have much respect for "The Professor" Keep it Burning...
Thanks buddy! 🙂 I've been watching Lonnie for a long time too, and couldn't help but smile when he first left a comment on one of my videos. Since then, I've chatted with him in the comments and elsewhere, and he seems like a great guy.
I really admire your imagination to turn an every day occurrence into an artistic venture,,,
As a nation wide truck driver in the trump economy, I dont have time for any of it....
Sorry to hear that buddy.
Just curious, did you make those impressive curls with that mora? If so, please make a video on your technique if you haven't already. Skill level... God of fire! Perfection.
Thanks MP15! I may end up shooting a video focused specifically on this at some point. In the mean time, I can direct you to a post I made on Bushcraft USA a couple of years ago that will give you the basics.
Forgot to include the post! 😀 bushcraftusa.com/forum/threads/making-curls-and-feather-sticks-the-easy-way.172519/
NW Primate
Checked out the link, great information. Thank you. I have been using the hook on my tracker to get those curls, didn't know it was possible to do them with a scandi.
I will be most definitely be trying this method, the more skills the better.
Sometimes it isn't practical to carry my tracker but I always have a mora or my bushcraft 2 on me.
Thank you very much for the videos , no words, just technique. Perfect. Take care.
Nice! Just a heads up that you can use the 1/4 round section of the Tracker to make curls this way too.
ruclips.net/video/b6h3wAxctmg/видео.html (at 2:46)
not so lazy, in turn you have to make a lot of fancy feathersticks, nice job
You can use any suitable tinder bundle with this method. I just live in a very wet place where making feather sticks is often easier than trying to find dry fibrous material.
Good job comrede
Thanks man!
Aansteker werkt super 🎉
Yesterday was 1st day trying to start a fire with a bow drill , lots of smoke, but no 🔥 , I will try again today and until I have 🔥
You got this!
This is impressive while doing it in the snow.
Always hire a lazy guy, he will figure out quicker and easier ways to do things
Good advice Sean. 🙂
Impressive videos NW, good job keep it up. Where are the forest from your videos?
Thanks Marvin! I'm in Western Washington State.
Brilliant. Was this all done using the dead Alder?
Thanks Stefano. It's always great to hear from you. Everything was from the alder with the exception of a fatwood bearing block and a piece of paracord for the bow string.
What type of wood should I use for bow drill and hand drill fires? Can you use any wood? I’m not getting the board black at all??
Nicely done!
My only question is…
Was all the shavings and split wood and bow drill kit came from
That one piece of I believe was a dead alder.
Drill placement is critical
Nicely done!
I love the ending with the bacon! Yum. Ok, so how much longer does it take without the notch?
Hard to go wrong with bacon. 🙂 It really doesn't take too much longer, but this isn't nearly as reliable for me as a regular v-notch. I can see the appeal of skipping a step when you're just starting out, but you will have a much easier time if you practice with the conventional technique first.
Love the channel and your content, but i was curious if there were ways to start and maintain a fore with little to no wood?
I don't have any experience in an environment like that. I think you would just have to work with any organic materials that you had available. Around the world, people burn things like dung, bundled grasses, animal fats, peat and anything else that will put out heat. Your best bet is probably to look for information on the original inhabitants of your area and try to learn what they used.
NW Primate ok thank you
Does anybody have any insight into why the fire board method isn't used more ? Angus Baptist in a vintage Canadian survival film demonstrated this technique and it looks so simple and effective . You can find his demonstration on youtube . Cool video !
Not too lazy too carve like a million feather sticks though 🤣. Both the video and the feather sticks were very well made.
Awesome 👏 what kinda wood did you use?
Thanks Jeff! This set was red alder, but I've done this with a few different species, so you should be able to try this with whatever suitable friction fire woods you have available.
There we go. Red alder. Awesome. No notch...well, why not, I sez to myself. Great video, music, and great skill. Thanks for the hard work/play. Much respect.
Bow drill is not for the lazy. So many variation. Great stuff. Was that pea soup in the mug?
The lazy bit was kind of tongue in cheek. 🙂 That was some homemade chicken soup. The color comes from adding butter. 😀
I have been on a keto type diet for a few months now, butter is great stuff! More of a no sugar and very low carb diet.
Nice! I haven't been as disciplined about it as I should lately, but I started eating that way back around 2012 due to some health issues, and it worked amazingly well for me.
What did he use? A block plane?
Got some skills mate. Also, I had better watch Last of the Mohicans again....when I come inside.
What kind of wood/tree are you looking for, for the various parts? Do you use a rock or a piece of wood to hold the spindle?
I like experimenting with everything I can in my local woods, but small dead conifers seem to be the most reliable for me. My favorite bearing block is a piece of fatwood, but rocks, shells, bark, wood, and lots of other things will work.
Wondering what "brand" of knife you use? Could you provide a link for purchasing? Thanks so much! Really enjoy the channel!
Thanks Lou! It's a carbon steel Terävä Jääkäripuukko 140 from Varusteleka. www.varusteleka.com/en/product/terava-jaakaripuukko-carbon-steel/56524
I bet that took some time getting all those wood shavings together
+NW Primate - Do u have a video where u r making feather sticks like the ones shown here at 1:08? they r so nice n thin n curly. almost look edible! are knives like this or the mora best for feather stick cutting?
I'm still working on a video specifically about making these curls, but you can see my preferred approach in the beginning of this video to get you started. ruclips.net/video/3_0lcFFvubU/видео.html
How did you make the shaving so fine ? Pencil sharpener ?
Practice and that knife!
Roughly, how much time is elapsed between the time you start spinning the spindle until you have a really good ember? Editing makes it look like you can build a full-fledged fire in 3 minutes. thanks!!
nice. it seems like your feather sticks were the key factor
What kind of wood is best?
Can it be any wood
I noticed that part of the ember was left on the board!
Good eye Donald. The curls leave lots of room for dust to fall through. Finer tinder material like shredded bark or scrapings for the platform will work even better.