No disrespect to the man, dudes a SEAL. However, there are always multiple sides to the story, and due to the fact that the Navy is a professional organisation they will never reveal their side so all we are left with is the perspective of someone who is as biased as they come.
ya'll missed what he was hinting at. He didnt get fired because of out of the box training, he got fired cuz he lost his fucking shit either while doing so, or debating his SO about it.
@@Shank039 this guy could be telling the truth he may not be biased but some lefties now days can have a cry bout anything and fuck people over over nothing
@@colinsmith9208 No! You don't say! I didn't know there weren't any Chief Petty officers in my beloved Corps! I can say Semper Fi to whomever I damn well please.
@@Scotta1atgmaildotcom @Colin Smith We're Navy too. "Ooorah" was 'imagined' on a submarine (before being brought to the Camp Pendleton quarterdeck it was 'Arrruuuggaaah'). Dude really took time to write, "He's Navy not Marines." without knowledge. This crayon-eater should be welcomed to the footprints with open arms. Probably a low 30's ASVAB waiver. 🤣😂
@@joselase6894 heeeey, I was an ASVAB waver. 🤣🤣🤣 In my defense I was hung over and forgot to sign my name. That's like an automatic 20 points for my beloved rock painters.
@@Scotta1atgmaildotcom 😆🤣. We would have a fun time together, Brother. I was THAT Marine (High ASVAB, perf PFT, Pro/Cons, FitRep, etc.), but always helped/covered for my boys. So many fun drunk memories. Urban Assault Leader, Instructor/Trainer Course graduation - My buddy and I went out the night before to see how drunk we could still be the next day at the ceremony. Closed the bar down, I never went to bed, but he did. I took like a 3 hour shower in the barracks, and tried to wake him up for 20 minutes before we left 'late' to 21 Area. When he opened the door he had pissed the bed/himself, but we didn't have time for him to shower. We were both incredibly drunk still, and were running late. When we arrived, we learned it got pushed back to 1030 instead of 0730 because other commands COs/Sgt.Majs/other brass wanted to attend. Bruh, I was so hung over at the ceremony I could barely stand, everyone knew about it, and no one cared. We spent the majority of the morning violently vomiting/hydrating and giving our final presentation(s). Shaking hands with Several O-6+/E-9s like that, in uniform, was one of the boldest moments I had state-side.
Gotta love it when he lights them up, making sure he safely does it. The watch on the watch in the F.O.B. I agree with him…. the marker lines on the throats is the training that is literally a must. Practice makes perfect & God Bless him 💯🇺🇸🔱🌊⚓️
@@gmills5763 The greatest lessons learned by SOCOM have come from their greatest failures. Hell, there would be no SOCOM if they hadn't learned from the Desert One debacle.
@@RKHarm24 If you try this kind of leadership, just be SUPER CAREFUL, especially in this day and age. The military/police need good men like Mykel and you*, but the PC/Woke leadership targets exactly these type of leaders. It's apparently not "woke" to remind soldiers they risk their lives and the lives of their comrades. It's not "woke" to remind LEO's that some suspects are evil f***ing shitbirds that'll happily take your life if given the chance. I retired from the Army in 2017 after 22 years. I could see the writing on the wall. They were winding down the GWOT and turning the Army (and the other branches too) woke as shit. I can only imagine how bad it must be now, but I still hear things...
Intersting to note the difference between SEAL thinking and the prevailing thought processes of the general populace. Too often, we hear people say "I did the right thing, and those bastards fired me!". A SEAL says "I did the right thing in the wrong way, got fired, and that's on me". Very refreshing to see someone actually accept responsibility in a thoughtful way.
@@AndyAdventuring The original poster is talking about he believes seals take responsibility for getting fired and believes that normal civilians would blame their employer. The first commenter is saying that the original poster is suggesting that employers can do no wrong and employees should accept they they were fired.
There is no Fn wrong way in specops, thats number 1 and only. Problem is sht has gotten way too damn soft and its gonna bite us hard. It already reared its face in Kabul with fools on top executing the most hideous, humiliating and stupid evac plan ever done by the U.S.
When I was active duty air force in the 90s, I knew a security forces guy that got an article 15 (dereliction of duty) and put in correctional custody for falling asleep at the gate of a stateside base...and this was his first disciplinary action ever. The repercussions of what can happen from falling asleep on post at a FOB are so much more severe. He taught them the very real possible result of their actions in a constructive way and got punished for it rather than the punitive action taken against that security forces guy. My how times have changed.
In my father's day, Security Police as they were known when he was in, that kind of thing was dealt with via the NCOIC alone unofficially without officer or official channels involved ie: beating that ass, getting smoked or both. This would be late 1970s- early 1990s, tail end of the Cold War and the possibility of war with the former Soviet bloc was a very real possibility. A lot of things that would get you kicked out now was tolerated then. He was in his late teens-early 30s then, he is 61 now, I'll be 42 in April.
@@marcuslaker5876 yup. Very few WWII guys but plenty of Korea and Vietnam guys were in charge in his day. They were getting out when he ultimately did:1991. They still had E4 Sergeants in the USAF when he was in. E4 didn't become solely a non-NCO grade in the USAF until on or about 1995. One had to take certain classes at the CCAF to become an E4 Sergeant back then. He got out at E6.
@Mark Bachmann according to my dad, in his day, dude would have gotten his wig split by his NCOIC and probably smoked half to death every other day for a month or two. Definitely can't do that nowadays.
I was a boot in the marine corps on my first work up to Iraq and I fell asleep on watch during training and had to write letters to all of my team mates family on why I failed and let there son die. Never forgot that and it was a hard lesson to learn.
This story almost seems unbelievable. Since you were marine corps as well, you know that far worse was done to discipline marines for various fuck ups. This is supposed to be seals...elite, bad ass dudes? WTF. Not saying this to knock SEALs(I know they are bad mother fuckers)...Just saying it doesn't sound right. Gotta be more to it, because I know that environment and this was tame as hell.
@@viralvidsrepository4632 oh yeah far worse things were done. But the marines that were leading me were Ramadi and Fallujah vets who were trying to get us ready for what we were going to experience in war. And nothing in training has come close to any experience in war.
Would rather have an instructor do this and teach a valuable lesson without killing anybody as opposed to this happening in a real world situation where people could truly die. Sucks he got fired for something that was valuable in the end.
@@rs-vl2im He may be an asshole but his type of training saves lives. The way you train in peace is the way you will fight in war. That always stuck in my mind when I was a young Lance Corporal and our platoon sergeant drilled that into our head.
@@dannystranahan1004 his type of training pushed it to far. there is a line that you don't cross and he constantly crossed it. he wasnt fired for what he did that day, it was an ongoing issue with him, he pissed off the senior chief enough so he was booted.
I remember a Vietnam vet coming to my school and telling us about two guys left on guard duty for a camp while the rest went out on patrol. They decided to take turns rather than both be on duty. One went to sleep and the other broke out a joint and started smoking pot. The speaker was the first back to camp and found the pot smoker against a tree with his neck slit and the other in/on his bedroll with his neck slit. It appeared neither knew they were in danger till their throats were cut. I remember he made the point that had their watch been that evening while all of them were asleep, he wouldn't be here talking now.
Was doing so before that brother, when I went through in 95-96, we literally had drill sergeants and company officers pull a group of us in after basic and AIT and asked us how training was, how the drill instructors were and if they were too hard on us or if we felt they were too hard on others. I was disgusted and they saw it on my face and asked me to speak up, so I told them, this is the ARMY, not cub scouts, that it should be hard, that the US ARMY is a war machine and that war won't be soft, that training should be preparing us for being at war, and hard and unfair is part of war. That's training.
@@jw5297 Well said man I was never in the military but I tell you one thing I’ve been exposed to some close contacts in the 75TH RANGER REGIMENT and let me tell you it changed my life have the correct mindset.
I was on guard duty in the Gulf war and had to relieve the OP. Came up and and both of them were asleep. Creeped up until I had a knife..dull side..against his neck. He opened his eyes and I said.."your dead"! He never did it again. Seen him later after the Corps.. he said it shook him so bad he never forgot it. Hardest lessons r the hardest lessons..Semper fi.
We need more men like this, especially in our military - how could people join the military and expect to be in a war situation where everything is delicate to their sensibilities?
Because it’s impossible to put you mind in the perspective of war until you get there. That’s what the training is for, to prepare you for the onslaught of emotions and decisions you gotta make.
This most likely took place in the late 90s based on this guys age - well before you idiots decided that "woke" was a thing. Listen to what he was saying - he got put on the island as his last chance because he kept getting into trouble and had a terrible attitude, which is a detriment to a seal team. So while this lesson may have been good and realistic - he did not get fired for just this but a whole series of events leading up to it.
These clips are so great for getting others hooked on your full videos. Keep up the great work, thank you and your buddy’s for EVERYTHING you all have given. I will Never Forget…
Ditto brother. "Broke the rules" he prolly saved their life. An invaluable lesson was taught. I'm at a loss with the news we hear about seal officer leadership.
Unbelievable! This candidate had an I-phone during a training op!? They deserved to get lit up! Well done chief! You taught them a lesson they will never forget saving lives in the long run.
They’re 8 weeks straight on the island living in barracks that resemble a FOB. They go out every day for training exercises but still need to have some sort of relaxation where returning - which was the case here.
I see nothing wrong with this training lesson. My father was a Marine in Vietnam 1968-1970. He told me stories of Marines falling asleep on LP-Listening Post. After no contact from them, someone had to go out and get them. Only to find all 4 dead with their throats cut. One Marine was cut so deep his head fell off.
@@escapedfromnewyork maybe, maybe not. But id prefer from a combat experienced instructor to be pointed and pushed into shit during training than real life error. There is no multiple trys in reality. Now.... if you think of the worlds first real special forces, no matter if german ww2 combat divers or american canadian devils brigade, the british OSE,.... their training would be today unlawful, too dangerous, against human rights, and so on. Now I for sure would not like to go back in time and want to fight against those guys.
Unfortunate outcome. But I guarantee you those two dudes will carry that lesson with them their entire careers. And I'd bet money if you asked them about it, they'd have a high level of gratitude for being taught the seriousness of what they did wrong. This should have fallen in the grey area, and not resulted in his firing. Gotta look at the big picture and what you're training those guys for. They ain't gonna be guarding a shopping mall after hours. They're getting ready to visit the devil's house. There's no margin for error there. Awesome interview, awesome video.
This was a phenomenal lesson taught, and I hope that this story continues to echo through the teams. I hope those young soldiers share that experience with their brothers in the service.
He was training the correct way. That's the only thing he was guilty of. Fired? Ridiculous to fire this man. Definitely more professional than the people who fired him
I love the facts of : the most valuable thing you are guarding, what’s to stop me from going on there and getting them, here you go do it and see how easy it is!! Awesome lesson and the fact that they took that lesson and took it to a new level is what teachers and instructors should be praying for!!!
I was just an army POG. Nothing high speed. A mechanic. I went through basic in 1991. I had firewatch. When my shift was up, I woke up the next soldier then I went to sleep. Problem was the recruit I woke up did not fully wake up and he too went to sleep. So nobody was on firewatch. One of the drill sergeants happened to be up and realized the situation. He looked at the roster to see who was responsible. He flipped the bunk of the recruit who went back to sleep then he flipped my bunk with me in it. The DS thankfully was not fired. He wasn’t abusive. He taught us a valuable lesson. This SEAL taught the candidates a valuable lesson as well.
In 1978 12th engineers Dexheim Germany the 1sgt of Echo bridge company caught a private smoking weed on the second floor of the barracks. The 1sgt held the private out the window by his ankles. There was no article 15 and the private never smoked weed in the barracks again. The 1sgt was ex special forces and a huge guy.
Regrettably, I never served, but, this is exactly the type of guy you want training you. Teaches valuable, real world knowledge without the risk of fellow soldiers dying. What a shame that he was reassigned/fired.
@@mickfunny4185 When I was younger, it was just something that was never on my radar. Now that I'm older and looking back, it's one of the things that I deeply regret not doing.
I've never served but I gotta say if I had I would have wanted this guy and the knowledge and lessons he brings with him. I feel that a great diservice was done by not allowing a slightly unorthodox training method to continue.
He was not fired for this one event, but for a bunch of events leading up to this - listen to what he was saying. He said this was basically his last chance, they moved him there because he kept getting into trouble.
The military turned woke and the training will never be productive ever again,,,, this instructor did an amazing job,,,, the romans would kill a soldier caught sleeping on guard duty
One woke army commercial doesn’t mean the entirety of the US military has gone woke the only people that genuinely think the military has gone woke are boomers like you who probably didn’t actually serve one day in the military
He definitely got screwed, but blaming it on “wokness” is misleading. Pussified? Definitely. But I didn’t see anything “woke” about it. Doesn’t involve race, gender, or sexual orientation. Woke is not a catch all term for things you don’t like.
Sounds like a pretty good lesson to me. Just hearing him tell the guy to go draw on their necks when they trust you and you'll never forget it hits home and I'm just hearing about it on RUclips. I bet that guy felt like total shit and indeed will never forget. I can't believe they fired an instructor for using simunitions for something like this. Our entire society has become pussified.
@@dabeln1 It is neither of those things. Don't be gullible. But whatever your thoughts are on it, it should be your choice. I'm tired of the straw man fight of pro-vax or anti-vax because it doesn't matter. What matters is the freedom to choose.
It’s cool seeing him admit he was a ticking time bomb and that he has come to piece with that. It shows it was genuine from the heart and not being brutal.
Thank you for your service. We should concern ourselves with the deterioration of patriotism among our countrymen. You men are the reason my son enlisted in the USMC directly out of high school. God bless you all.
I would be honored have pain inflicted on me by such a skilled trainer. It had purpose and merit. Well done sir. They may have fired you but you saved those men and many men’s lives.
Just some FYI - the Roman punishment for a Legionnaire sleeping on duty was death. The punishment was known as 'fustuarium'. The tribune (usually a Centurion) would take a cudgel and lightly touch the condemned man with it - whereupon all the other Legionnaires would fall upon him immediately with clubs and stones until death. The soldiers oath (known as 'sacramentum') - explicitly surrendered the right to immunity from corporal and capital punishment Roman citizens enjoyed (except in cases of treason) - or a trial in Rome, and promised strict obedience to orders. Sleeping on duty was considered one of the most serious crimes a Roman soldier could commit. Crimes punished by fustuarium; sleeping on duty, desertion, stealing from another soldier, false witness against another soldier, sexual misconduct, and committing the same non-fustuarium punishable offense three times - which was considered to have violated the trust of his fellow soldiers.
I fail to see how this minor episode of hazing/discipline in anyway supercedes the reality of what would have happened had he an actual M4 and malice in his heart.
The whole “slit their throat with a sharpie” thing is so overdone in the military. Every training instructor in combat arms has a story like that. It surprises me that they’d boot an instructor over lighting up recruits with a paint rifle - unless he went way, way over the top with it - which I’m guessing is what happened.
Two years ago the entire army was temporarily banned from using those paint (simunition) rounds because someone lost an eye in a training accident. Accidents happen but I guarantee his stunt was frowned upon because he violated direct orders NOT to do that. It's extremely risky to have a SEAL instructor running around with PTSD who isn't following the rules. That being said, it does speak to the pussification in general and I still think his lesson was invaluable.
I recently found out that more SEALS die during training than during combat. I wish I could try the training so that I could be broken down, built back up, and be leaps and bounds better than I was before. True respect for the gents that do this.
I was lucky I had a DS just like Chief. I am 47 now, and he trained me when I was 18 and I still carry most of these lessons till this day, just because of the technique he used to teach. His name was Ssgt Chad Baker (Ranger) and if he is somehow reading this message I just wanna say Thankyou.
This actually happened to me while taking out midrats, in Nam. Walked up on guard and NO challenge. That was the first time I smelled weed. Our firebase was just 3miles South of DMZ. They were parting while everyone else was sleeping. Fortunately, we were not attacked.
This is the kind of training guys need. Actually seeing how easy it is to "cut" the throats of the men sleeping. Or being "shot" while sleeping. Some of us do not think/understand it at first. But when you see it in person it sends a clear message.
I was in the navy. When I first got in I was in deck division for 18 months and did deployment to the med . Being in deck division, we would stand bridge watch (helm, port , starboard and, aft lookout). A guy on aft lookout was caught sleeping once. He was sent to captains mast and everyone else who was on watch with him had to do “extra military instruction”. Every evening at 1800 , if we weren’t on watch, we had to take all the packed sea bags out of the sea bag locker , clean the room and then put them back in. We also had to clean the area of the ship where we kept garbage (actual Garbage) after the garbage was thrown overboard. Needless to say, no one else fell asleep on watch that deployment.
I think what he did was very necessary and changed those kids lives and possibly save lives in the future. That type of training has fallen away from the military. That type of training is what works best. My grandfather used the same method when he was a drill sergeant during WW2. When he retired the military was going down the tubes and full of politics. My hats off to the instructor for doing what he did.
Gator Navy vet and I don’t know what a lot of the acronyms mean but I like this out of the box brother. That’s the type I like to learn from. Those guys got the most valuable lessons.
WTF, I also was a Navy Instructor in the Submarine Community, you make the training as realistic as possible, everyones life depends upon it, weed out the non hackers in training, everyones life depends upon it in the fleet, even more so in the Teams. JHC has the Navy gotten that wimpy in the last 30 years?
While on a NATO training mission in Turkey, we were awakened in the middle of the night by a gunshot. The next morning we found out what happened: the host nation (in this case, Turkey) was tasked with providing security. The sergeant of the guard would blow a whistle, and all the soldiers at their assigned posts would respond in kind. If one failed to respond, the SoG would investigate. This is what happened, and the SoG found a guard asleep at his post. He woke the sleeping guard up by shooting him in the leg.
Different unit, regular army. We were in a FOB. Just got back from from some missions. Found a hooch and got some sleep. Maybe only like 2 hours. Thankfully our watch guys weren't slacking off or asleep. Those 240s and 249s went to rocking. FOB came under attack. We had been out for 3 or 4 days. I was tired, so I turned over and went right back to sleep. Fully trusted those machine gunners to handle business. It wasn't until someone came back and said the enemy was inside the wire that I got up and jumped into action. It's a scary thing being in a shootout in your draws. I kept thinking my junk would get shot off. Add to the stress that my M4 kept malfunctioning. Probably from the shootout we had 2 days earlier. Anyway, being on watch is an important job. This chief did the right thing.
I took my rookie crew training at night, limited their visibility to very basic lighting. I ran through the operation like it was the real thing, lots of radio communication, lack of visibility, machine sounds impacting ability to hear and failure of equipment. I told them, “ I don’t want the first time you experience the adrenaline of doing this to be at a real incident, the people who rely on you are not going to worry about the difficulties you are experiencing, they will expect you to do your jobs and get through those hurdles” When we were done, they turned to me and said…” This is the best training we have ever done!” When you realize that the lives of your colleagues are on the line, you will never forget the impact of those lessons. This man should not have lost his job, old school works, it builds character, his righteous indignation is not a flaw!
I bet that’s something those guys never forgot. I know it drives a nail home for me just hearing that. And what your responsibility is and where it lies, even in shit jobs you don’t want to do.
As a leader, I have come to realize there is always more to the story. I can guarantee there was a hell of a lot worse and no one here that says this is good training would want to be around him when his ticking bomb explodes. We have all had an instructor like this and not one of you enjoyed it when they crossed the line.
I honestly didn't realize how lucky I was with some of my instructors, Marine not seal, untill I've heard stories like this. Especially what my cousin, he was a para with the 173rd, has told me. It's honestly sad how hit or miss this shit can be.
agree this is a very effective training example - imagine waking up and you and your friends have black Sharpie lines across your throat! what happened overnight?! ... what better way to realize the potential outcome of your teammate failing you.
Sounds to me like he was doing his job. He wasn’t being abusive. He was training them.
No disrespect to the man, dudes a SEAL. However, there are always multiple sides to the story, and due to the fact that the Navy is a professional organisation they will never reveal their side so all we are left with is the perspective of someone who is as biased as they come.
I sooner take his harsh training over a slit throat.
None of us know, but I am sure a lot of hard ass navy seals, as the rotate through as trainers, disagree.
ya'll missed what he was hinting at. He didnt get fired because of out of the box training, he got fired cuz he lost his fucking shit either while doing so, or debating his SO about it.
@@Shank039 this guy could be telling the truth he may not be biased but some lefties now days can have a cry bout anything and fuck people over over nothing
This was nothing but good training. This guy getting fired is just a sign of the times. You did right Chief, Semper Fi
He’s Navy not Marines.
@@colinsmith9208 No! You don't say! I didn't know there weren't any Chief Petty officers in my beloved Corps! I can say Semper Fi to whomever I damn well please.
@@Scotta1atgmaildotcom @Colin Smith We're Navy too. "Ooorah" was 'imagined' on a submarine (before being brought to the Camp Pendleton quarterdeck it was 'Arrruuuggaaah'). Dude really took time to write, "He's Navy not Marines." without knowledge. This crayon-eater should be welcomed to the footprints with open arms. Probably a low 30's ASVAB waiver. 🤣😂
@@joselase6894 heeeey, I was an ASVAB waver. 🤣🤣🤣 In my defense I was hung over and forgot to sign my name. That's like an automatic 20 points for my beloved rock painters.
@@Scotta1atgmaildotcom 😆🤣. We would have a fun time together, Brother. I was THAT Marine (High ASVAB, perf PFT, Pro/Cons, FitRep, etc.), but always helped/covered for my boys. So many fun drunk memories. Urban Assault Leader, Instructor/Trainer Course graduation - My buddy and I went out the night before to see how drunk we could still be the next day at the ceremony. Closed the bar down, I never went to bed, but he did. I took like a 3 hour shower in the barracks, and tried to wake him up for 20 minutes before we left 'late' to 21 Area. When he opened the door he had pissed the bed/himself, but we didn't have time for him to shower. We were both incredibly drunk still, and were running late. When we arrived, we learned it got pushed back to 1030 instead of 0730 because other commands COs/Sgt.Majs/other brass wanted to attend. Bruh, I was so hung over at the ceremony I could barely stand, everyone knew about it, and no one cared. We spent the majority of the morning violently vomiting/hydrating and giving our final presentation(s). Shaking hands with Several O-6+/E-9s like that, in uniform, was one of the boldest moments I had state-side.
This man is actually preparing other men to wake up and see what may come down there road of hardships in the team's!!!! winner in my book.
Gotta love it when he lights them up, making sure he safely does it. The watch on the watch in the F.O.B. I agree with him…. the marker lines on the throats is the training that is literally a must. Practice makes perfect & God Bless him 💯🇺🇸🔱🌊⚓️
their
Sometimes pain is the most powerful teacher. I see nothing wrong with that “training” method. Great clip!
Screwups can be the best teachable moments. They'd carry that lesson forever, and convey it to others with the same level of importance.
I used some training lessons like this with LEO cadets
@@gmills5763 The greatest lessons learned by SOCOM have come from their greatest failures.
Hell, there would be no SOCOM if they hadn't learned from the Desert One debacle.
It can be hard to switch off at the end of the day ie wives
@@RKHarm24 If you try this kind of leadership, just be SUPER CAREFUL, especially in this day and age. The military/police need good men like Mykel and you*, but the PC/Woke leadership targets exactly these type of leaders.
It's apparently not "woke" to remind soldiers they risk their lives and the lives of their comrades. It's not "woke" to remind LEO's that some suspects are evil f***ing shitbirds that'll happily take your life if given the chance.
I retired from the Army in 2017 after 22 years. I could see the writing on the wall. They were winding down the GWOT and turning the Army (and the other branches too) woke as shit. I can only imagine how bad it must be now, but I still hear things...
Intersting to note the difference between SEAL thinking and the prevailing thought processes of the general populace. Too often, we hear people say "I did the right thing, and those bastards fired me!". A SEAL says "I did the right thing in the wrong way, got fired, and that's on me".
Very refreshing to see someone actually accept responsibility in a thoughtful way.
Interesting to note you believe employers are infallible.
Nothing thoughtful about your attitude.
@@ohauss What in the actual fuck are you on about?
@@AndyAdventuring The original poster is talking about he believes seals take responsibility for getting fired and believes that normal civilians would blame their employer. The first commenter is saying that the original poster is suggesting that employers can do no wrong and employees should accept they they were fired.
That's a fucking awesome way of putting it. Accountability is king.
There is no Fn wrong way in specops, thats number 1 and only. Problem is sht has gotten way too damn soft and its gonna bite us hard. It already reared its face in Kabul with fools on top executing the most hideous, humiliating and stupid evac plan ever done by the U.S.
When I was active duty air force in the 90s, I knew a security forces guy that got an article 15 (dereliction of duty) and put in correctional custody for falling asleep at the gate of a stateside base...and this was his first disciplinary action ever. The repercussions of what can happen from falling asleep on post at a FOB are so much more severe. He taught them the very real possible result of their actions in a constructive way and got punished for it rather than the punitive action taken against that security forces guy. My how times have changed.
In my father's day, Security Police as they were known when he was in, that kind of thing was dealt with via the NCOIC alone unofficially without officer or official channels involved ie: beating that ass, getting smoked or both. This would be late 1970s- early 1990s, tail end of the Cold War and the possibility of war with the former Soviet bloc was a very real possibility. A lot of things that would get you kicked out now was tolerated then. He was in his late teens-early 30s then, he is 61 now, I'll be 42 in April.
Wtf is going on out there…incompetence everywhere.
@@chrismc410 old WWll, Korea and Nam guys running it back then, big diff.
@@marcuslaker5876 yup. Very few WWII guys but plenty of Korea and Vietnam guys were in charge in his day. They were getting out when he ultimately did:1991. They still had E4 Sergeants in the USAF when he was in. E4 didn't become solely a non-NCO grade in the USAF until on or about 1995. One had to take certain classes at the CCAF to become an E4 Sergeant back then. He got out at E6.
@Mark Bachmann according to my dad, in his day, dude would have gotten his wig split by his NCOIC and probably smoked half to death every other day for a month or two. Definitely can't do that nowadays.
I was a boot in the marine corps on my first work up to Iraq and I fell asleep on watch during training and had to write letters to all of my team mates family on why I failed and let there son die. Never forgot that and it was a hard lesson to learn.
their
This story almost seems unbelievable. Since you were marine corps as well, you know that far worse was done to discipline marines for various fuck ups. This is supposed to be seals...elite, bad ass dudes? WTF. Not saying this to knock SEALs(I know they are bad mother fuckers)...Just saying it doesn't sound right. Gotta be more to it, because I know that environment and this was tame as hell.
@@viralvidsrepository4632 oh yeah far worse things were done. But the marines that were leading me were Ramadi and Fallujah vets who were trying to get us ready for what we were going to experience in war. And nothing in training has come close to any experience in war.
@@warmooseoutdoors3254 April 05 Platoon 3034 Kilo Company 3rd Btn
0352 tow gunner
Would rather have an instructor do this and teach a valuable lesson without killing anybody as opposed to this happening in a real world situation where people could truly die. Sucks he got fired for something that was valuable in the end.
he was an asshole and the other SEAL instructors had enough of his shit.
@@rs-vl2im How so explain.
@@camronbay1 I know his back ground and I know guys who served with him. he's an asshole. He got black balled.
@@rs-vl2im He may be an asshole but his type of training saves lives. The way you train in peace is the way you will fight in war. That always stuck in my mind when I was a young Lance Corporal and our platoon sergeant drilled that into our head.
@@dannystranahan1004 his type of training pushed it to far. there is a line that you don't cross and he constantly crossed it. he wasnt fired for what he did that day, it was an ongoing issue with him, he pissed off the senior chief enough so he was booted.
I remember a Vietnam vet coming to my school and telling us about two guys left on guard duty for a camp while the rest went out on patrol. They decided to take turns rather than both be on duty. One went to sleep and the other broke out a joint and started smoking pot. The speaker was the first back to camp and found the pot smoker against a tree with his neck slit and the other in/on his bedroll with his neck slit. It appeared neither knew they were in danger till their throats were cut. I remember he made the point that had their watch been that evening while all of them were asleep, he wouldn't be here talking now.
My Army Drill Sergeant warned us in basic training 2003. He said...and I quote "The Pussification of the United States Military has begun".
Was doing so before that brother, when I went through in 95-96, we literally had drill sergeants and company officers pull a group of us in after basic and AIT and asked us how training was, how the drill instructors were and if they were too hard on us or if we felt they were too hard on others.
I was disgusted and they saw it on my face and asked me to speak up, so I told them, this is the ARMY, not cub scouts, that it should be hard, that the US ARMY is a war machine and that war won't be soft, that training should be preparing us for being at war, and hard and unfair is part of war. That's training.
@@jw5297 Well said man I was never in the military but I tell you one thing I’ve been exposed to some close contacts in the 75TH RANGER REGIMENT and let me tell you it changed my life have the correct mindset.
This man is an outlier in a world gone soft. We need his methods and philosophy more then ever now
Couldn't agree more.
Then and than are different words with different meanings.
@AZ Desert Prepper couldn't agree more, sir.
Absolutely!
@AZ Desert Prepper It's not because he pointed out one thing that he missed another one. You should get a Darwin award for not thinking of that.
This instructor's lesson could save their lives, well done.
I was on guard duty in the Gulf war and had to relieve the OP. Came up and and both of them were asleep. Creeped up until I had a knife..dull side..against his neck. He opened his eyes and I said.."your dead"! He never did it again. Seen him later after the Corps.. he said it shook him so bad he never forgot it. Hardest lessons r the hardest lessons..Semper fi.
We need more men like this, especially in our military - how could people join the military and expect to be in a war situation where everything is delicate to their sensibilities?
Because it’s impossible to put you mind in the perspective of war until you get there. That’s what the training is for, to prepare you for the onslaught of emotions and decisions you gotta make.
This most likely took place in the late 90s based on this guys age - well before you idiots decided that "woke" was a thing. Listen to what he was saying - he got put on the island as his last chance because he kept getting into trouble and had a terrible attitude, which is a detriment to a seal team. So while this lesson may have been good and realistic - he did not get fired for just this but a whole series of events leading up to it.
These clips are so great for getting others hooked on your full videos. Keep up the great work, thank you and your buddy’s for EVERYTHING you all have given. I will Never Forget…
From a retired Senior Chief Master At Arms perspective, this SEAL Chief did nothing wrong but instill brotherhood among his trainees.
Ditto brother. "Broke the rules" he prolly saved their life. An invaluable lesson was taught.
I'm at a loss with the news we hear about seal officer leadership.
Never having been in the armed forces, I still don't understand what he did that was a fireable offense.
@@RonBobTheCornCobb liberals. Just that.
@@dustinalexander4620 Hm, source?
Ok
He wasn't fired for this. This was just the final straw.
Unbelievable! This candidate had an I-phone during a training op!? They deserved to get lit up! Well done chief! You taught them a lesson they will never forget saving lives in the long run.
They’re 8 weeks straight on the island living in barracks that resemble a FOB. They go out every day for training exercises but still need to have some sort of relaxation where returning - which was the case here.
@@G4x5da doesn’t mean they need their phones
@@andrewevans6826 you never served?
@@G4x5da i did but why do we always need our phones.. it’s stupid and clearly looked what happened when those two guys were on duty..
I see nothing wrong with this training lesson. My father was a Marine in Vietnam 1968-1970. He told me stories of Marines falling asleep on LP-Listening Post. After no contact from them, someone had to go out and get them. Only to find all 4 dead with their throats cut. One Marine was cut so deep his head fell off.
God damn
@@andrewevans6826 God doesn't have a last name, but if He did it wouldn't be damn.
@@danwalker9999 hi boomer
@@governmentghost01 how do those tide pods taste anyways?
@@escapedfromnewyork maybe, maybe not. But id prefer from a combat experienced instructor to be pointed and pushed into shit during training than real life error. There is no multiple trys in reality.
Now.... if you think of the worlds first real special forces, no matter if german ww2 combat divers or american canadian devils brigade, the british OSE,.... their training would be today unlawful, too dangerous, against human rights, and so on. Now I for sure would not like to go back in time and want to fight against those guys.
"It broke a bunch of rules..." WTF!!
When not training people to the highest degree possible is wrong... you are planning to fail.
Unfortunate outcome. But I guarantee you those two dudes will carry that lesson with them their entire careers. And I'd bet money if you asked them about it, they'd have a high level of gratitude for being taught the seriousness of what they did wrong. This should have fallen in the grey area, and not resulted in his firing. Gotta look at the big picture and what you're training those guys for. They ain't gonna be guarding a shopping mall after hours. They're getting ready to visit the devil's house. There's no margin for error there. Awesome interview, awesome video.
"See how easy it is when they trust you?"
Damn...
This was a phenomenal lesson taught, and I hope that this story continues to echo through the teams. I hope those young soldiers share that experience with their brothers in the service.
Sailors
It has probably saved lives to be honest that lesson lived with them for sure.
He was training the correct way. That's the only thing he was guilty of. Fired? Ridiculous to fire this man. Definitely more professional than the people who fired him
He got fired for the many events in his past, this was his last chance and why they put him on the island in the first place. He said so himself.
In the military you don't get fired, you get relieved of duty.
I love the facts of : the most valuable thing you are guarding, what’s to stop me from going on there and getting them, here you go do it and see how easy it is!! Awesome lesson and the fact that they took that lesson and took it to a new level is what teachers and instructors should be praying for!!!
I was just an army POG. Nothing high speed. A mechanic. I went through basic in 1991. I had firewatch. When my shift was up, I woke up the next soldier then I went to sleep. Problem was the recruit I woke up did not fully wake up and he too went to sleep. So nobody was on firewatch.
One of the drill sergeants happened to be up and realized the situation. He looked at the roster to see who was responsible. He flipped the bunk of the recruit who went back to sleep then he flipped my bunk with me in it.
The DS thankfully was not fired. He wasn’t abusive. He taught us a valuable lesson.
This SEAL taught the candidates a valuable lesson as well.
We had a sleeping guy get flipped into a wall, which broke his arm and so the next time I saw that Drill sergeant he was a private on KP ☝️
@@kxkxkxkx The DS should not have broken sleepy dood's arms then.
In 1978 12th engineers Dexheim Germany the 1sgt of Echo bridge company caught a private smoking weed on the second floor of the barracks. The 1sgt held the private out the window by his ankles. There was no article 15 and the private never smoked weed in the barracks again. The 1sgt was ex special forces and a huge guy.
Regrettably, I never served, but, this is exactly the type of guy you want training you. Teaches valuable, real world knowledge without the risk of fellow soldiers dying. What a shame that he was reassigned/fired.
@Jason M bro why didn’t you serve🤔
@@mickfunny4185 When I was younger, it was just something that was never on my radar. Now that I'm older and looking back, it's one of the things that I deeply regret not doing.
@@A_Final_Hit Under 35 its never too late to Join. Especially your states Guard or reserves
@@airsoftcarm3969 Unfortunately I'm almost 45, so I'm well beyond the age limit.
@@A_Final_Hit haha welp sorry mate
I've never served but I gotta say if I had I would have wanted this guy and the knowledge and lessons he brings with him. I feel that a great diservice was done by not allowing a slightly unorthodox training method to continue.
Yeah he should have got a raise and an ice cream
@@jesseready5667 and a golden star
@@Normaldude444
... with Oak-Leaf cluster.
He was not fired for this one event, but for a bunch of events leading up to this - listen to what he was saying. He said this was basically his last chance, they moved him there because he kept getting into trouble.
The military turned woke and the training will never be productive ever again,,,, this instructor did an amazing job,,,, the romans would kill a soldier caught sleeping on guard duty
On D Day of WWII, there was a plane full of troops headed to the front. A soldier had a negligent discharge. He was literally thrown off of the plane.
@@woodpass source?
One woke army commercial doesn’t mean the entirety of the US military has gone woke the only people that genuinely think the military has gone woke are boomers like you who probably didn’t actually serve one day in the military
@@samuellewis8197 it not just about fucking commercial.
He definitely got screwed, but blaming it on “wokness” is misleading. Pussified? Definitely. But I didn’t see anything “woke” about it. Doesn’t involve race, gender, or sexual orientation. Woke is not a catch all term for things you don’t like.
Brilliant training tactic.
Sounds like a pretty good lesson to me. Just hearing him tell the guy to go draw on their necks when they trust you and you'll never forget it hits home and I'm just hearing about it on RUclips. I bet that guy felt like total shit and indeed will never forget. I can't believe they fired an instructor for using simunitions for something like this. Our entire society has become pussified.
Right. I can't believe it not only is happening to regular military but now SOF. This guy did nothing wrong. Sometimes an object lesson is in order.
It's gotten to the point now where I'm proud to be separated from the Navy for refusing a vaccine. (Not specwar. Aviation enlisted.)
@@jojojor11 Right on, the jab is treason at best and the mark of the beast at worst.
Yeah but we the people can stop this pussifed men, we are allowing this to grow.
@@dabeln1 It is neither of those things. Don't be gullible. But whatever your thoughts are on it, it should be your choice. I'm tired of the straw man fight of pro-vax or anti-vax because it doesn't matter. What matters is the freedom to choose.
When he was telling the story, the whole time I was thinking: This sounds like something that would be done during nam. And something that works.
The way he is telling this story makes me think other people would tell it very differently.
Right?? I think there's more to what he's saying . Two sides to every to story....
i remember when the instructors could knock the shit out of you. ppl become soft over the years but the harshness of war never changes
I have passed this show up on my feed more times than i can count. I’m blown away by it. So glad i finally gave in and clicked it.
Worst part of this has got to be the fact that the ones taught the lesson wasn't the ones who reported him, nor had him fired.
that's the best, simplest lesson that will leave a lasting impact. well done Chief
It’s cool seeing him admit he was a ticking time bomb and that he has come to piece with that. It shows it was genuine from the heart and not being brutal.
And it was that attitude that got him kicked out because he was on his last chance when they moved him to the island.
Thank you for your service. We should concern ourselves with the deterioration of patriotism among our countrymen. You men are the reason my son enlisted in the USMC directly out of high school. God bless you all.
Chief, thanks for your service. You did recognize the real issue of motivation and problems with where it leads you. Family and justice.
True Patriot and hero. I hope you have him on more. Great content. 🇺🇸
I would be honored have pain inflicted on me by such a skilled trainer. It had purpose and merit. Well done sir. They may have fired you but you saved those men and many men’s lives.
That "see how easy it is when they trust you" line gave me chills.
These videos are starting to get very good. Also the editing is on point
Just some FYI - the Roman punishment for a Legionnaire sleeping on duty was death. The punishment was known as 'fustuarium'. The tribune (usually a Centurion) would take a cudgel and lightly touch the condemned man with it - whereupon all the other Legionnaires would fall upon him immediately with clubs and stones until death. The soldiers oath (known as 'sacramentum') - explicitly surrendered the right to immunity from corporal and capital punishment Roman citizens enjoyed (except in cases of treason) - or a trial in Rome, and promised strict obedience to orders. Sleeping on duty was considered one of the most serious crimes a Roman soldier could commit. Crimes punished by fustuarium; sleeping on duty, desertion, stealing from another soldier, false witness against another soldier, sexual misconduct, and committing the same non-fustuarium punishable offense three times - which was considered to have violated the trust of his fellow soldiers.
I fail to see how this minor episode of hazing/discipline in anyway supercedes the reality of what would have happened had he an actual M4 and malice in his heart.
Sleeping and someone on a phone is the two worst things.
That’s a very very valuable lesson , I promise they went on to really emphasize the importance of pulling security to others
I never served in the armed forces. But I’m thankful that my freedom has been protected by men just like this.
Even as s card carrying member of the E 4 mafia I can say that the one thing that was completely off limits was sleeping on guard duty of any kind.
The whole “slit their throat with a sharpie” thing is so overdone in the military. Every training instructor in combat arms has a story like that. It surprises me that they’d boot an instructor over lighting up recruits with a paint rifle - unless he went way, way over the top with it - which I’m guessing is what happened.
Question: have you served Max ?
@@davidpallin772 yes I did
Overdone or not dude, it’s reality.
Two years ago the entire army was temporarily banned from using those paint (simunition) rounds because someone lost an eye in a training accident. Accidents happen but I guarantee his stunt was frowned upon because he violated direct orders NOT to do that. It's extremely risky to have a SEAL instructor running around with PTSD who isn't following the rules. That being said, it does speak to the pussification in general and I still think his lesson was invaluable.
@@soldieroftruth77 what you doing without eye protection
That’s a great instructor who taught me very powerful lesson and I support him what he did
I recently found out that more SEALS die during training than during combat. I wish I could try the training so that I could be broken down, built back up, and be leaps and bounds better than I was before. True respect for the gents that do this.
Many of them wash out. I heard there was once an entire class that washed out.
When i served in the British Army, Royal Armoured Corps, if you got caught sleeping on guard you got 28 days in jail.
They should've promoted you for that. You taught them one hell of a valuable lesson. That was invaluable!!!
That was awesome! I’ve always thought outside the box, no one expects it. I have stories of my own from my Navy days, from Great Lakes to my EOS.
Great Mistakes!
Getting fired is a small price to pay for knowing you might keep them alive
Somebody has to guard the troops when they sleep. Their life is in your hands. You don't want some pork chop dozing on duty , you don't doze.
Getting fired is hard, but sometimes its the biggest favor you can do for a guy who is in the wrong headspace.
I was lucky I had a DS just like Chief. I am 47 now, and he trained me when I was 18 and I still carry most of these lessons till this day, just because of the technique he used to teach. His name was Ssgt Chad Baker (Ranger) and if he is somehow reading this message I just wanna say Thankyou.
This actually happened to me while taking out midrats, in Nam. Walked up on guard and NO challenge. That was the first time I smelled weed. Our firebase was just 3miles South of DMZ. They were parting while everyone else was sleeping. Fortunately, we were not attacked.
The lesson that you were trying to instill is priceless
That lesson will be remembered and taught, you gave the true ones a seed!
Much respect Chief. The marker across the neck was right on. It's about trust. Semper Fi.
Holy shit.
Best training I've heard in a while.
This is the kind of training guys need. Actually seeing how easy it is to "cut" the throats of the men sleeping. Or being "shot" while sleeping. Some of us do not think/understand it at first. But when you see it in person it sends a clear message.
Holy cool shit. Thank you so much for the content.
I was in the navy. When I first got in I was in deck division for 18 months and did deployment to the med . Being in deck division, we would stand bridge watch (helm, port , starboard and, aft lookout).
A guy on aft lookout was caught sleeping once. He was sent to captains mast and everyone else who was on watch with him had to do “extra military instruction”.
Every evening at 1800 , if we weren’t on watch, we had to take all the packed sea bags out of the sea bag locker , clean the room and then put them back in.
We also had to clean the area of the ship where we kept garbage (actual
Garbage) after the garbage was thrown overboard.
Needless to say, no one else fell asleep on watch that deployment.
I think what he did was very necessary and changed those kids lives and possibly save lives in the future. That type of training has fallen away from the military. That type of training is what works best. My grandfather used the same method when he was a drill sergeant during WW2. When he retired the military was going down the tubes and full of politics. My hats off to the instructor for doing what he did.
Unbelievable! That reached in and grabbed those kids by the heart.
The lessons he taught those men has probably saved lives.
Gator Navy vet and I don’t know what a lot of the acronyms mean but I like this out of the box brother. That’s the type I like to learn from. Those guys got the most valuable lessons.
That dude saved lives
WTF, I also was a Navy Instructor in the Submarine Community, you make the training as realistic as possible, everyones life depends upon it, weed out the non hackers in training, everyones life depends upon it in the fleet, even more so in the Teams. JHC has the Navy gotten that wimpy in the last 30 years?
Yes it has. I was in subs from 2005-2016 and it fell hard in that time. Can't imagine it now.
My pivotal moment in boot was the letter to my buddies mother. Squared my ass away still to this day almost 18yrs later.
Thanks brother.
Give me an instructor/teacher like this every time.
While on a NATO training mission in Turkey, we were awakened in the middle of the night by a gunshot. The next morning we found out what happened: the host nation (in this case, Turkey) was tasked with providing security. The sergeant of the guard would blow a whistle, and all the soldiers at their assigned posts would respond in kind. If one failed to respond, the SoG would investigate. This is what happened, and the SoG found a guard asleep at his post. He woke the sleeping guard up by shooting him in the leg.
Damn.... He will never sleep on watch again.
Why would he shoot him in the foot?
He cant just shoot someone in the leg like that.
Thank you sir!
Different unit, regular army. We were in a FOB. Just got back from from some missions. Found a hooch and got some sleep. Maybe only like 2 hours. Thankfully our watch guys weren't slacking off or asleep. Those 240s and 249s went to rocking. FOB came under attack. We had been out for 3 or 4 days. I was tired, so I turned over and went right back to sleep. Fully trusted those machine gunners to handle business. It wasn't until someone came back and said the enemy was inside the wire that I got up and jumped into action. It's a scary thing being in a shootout in your draws. I kept thinking my junk would get shot off. Add to the stress that my M4 kept malfunctioning. Probably from the shootout we had 2 days earlier. Anyway, being on watch is an important job. This chief did the right thing.
Holy shit that is some impactful shit!
Thank you to the Warrior Class. I am not, but my Oath Will Never End. Training for my day.
I took my rookie crew training at night, limited their visibility to very basic lighting. I ran through the operation like it was the real thing, lots of radio communication, lack of visibility, machine sounds impacting ability to hear and failure of equipment.
I told them, “ I don’t want the first time you experience the adrenaline of doing this to be at a real incident, the people who rely on you are not going to worry about the difficulties you are experiencing, they will expect you to do your jobs and get through those hurdles”
When we were done, they turned to me and said…” This is the best training we have ever done!”
When you realize that the lives of your colleagues are on the line, you will never forget the impact of those lessons.
This man should not have lost his job, old school works, it builds character, his righteous indignation is not a flaw!
I bet that’s something those guys never forgot. I know it drives a nail home for me just hearing that. And what your responsibility is and where it lies, even in shit jobs you don’t want to do.
Holy shit they need to rehire this guy and make him the boss of trainers 🔥🔥🔥
You cannot over stress the importance of doing sentry routine correctly. I thought what he did was fine.
Excellent interview and an excellent SEAL member. Ya, I have seen duds sleep on a watch.
As scout instructor i tought out of the box!! And talk about pissing ft. Knox off. 😆 🤣
As a leader, I have come to realize there is always more to the story. I can guarantee there was a hell of a lot worse and no one here that says this is good training would want to be around him when his ticking bomb explodes. We have all had an instructor like this and not one of you enjoyed it when they crossed the line.
yeah can guarantee this isn't the whole story
Kicked ass and kicked out! BS!
@@greatcornholio5541They want obedient, predictable guards. Not for the country, for themselves. Not outside the box warriors.
I honestly didn't realize how lucky I was with some of my instructors, Marine not seal, untill I've heard stories like this. Especially what my cousin, he was a para with the 173rd, has told me. It's honestly sad how hit or miss this shit can be.
Not even that harsh. That was such a great way to learn.
Our military has been softened and destroyed from within. 💯
Go Shawn 💪🏻
Thank you for your service
Pain is the ultimate teacher. Test first, then lesson, and the result is either confidence in yourself, or humility.
He's not wrong and shame on them for firing him, he taught them the real lesson of what they could possibly face in real life of their team.
agree this is a very effective training example - imagine waking up and you and your friends have black Sharpie lines across your throat! what happened overnight?! ... what better way to realize the potential outcome of your teammate failing you.
Vega is a unique and transformative veteran. Such a gent and leader of how to walk out of the thunder into some sort of calm.
Legendary Instruction. Bravo Chief. Lesson learned.