In Defence of: Oz the Great and Powerful (2013)
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- Опубликовано: 15 фев 2024
- Oz the Great and Powerful (2013) is a Sam Raimi movie that has had a lot of bad press but given the Wicked trailer just dropped, I thought it a good time to visit this one and determine its quality retrospectively.
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I am glad I'm not the only one who remembers this movie. This movie is underrated in my opinion. It's not perfect but it's very underrated.
This film was beautiful and made me love this franchise again when I first saw the original movie
I don't know why people hated this
Me too.
I remember playing the Temple Run tie in game for this movie
Coolest thing anyone has said to me this month
Always liked this movie. Is it perfect?... not at all but many great scenes. Also love how Oz started out as a simple stage magician.
I didn’t know this movie was directed by Sam Raimi at first but omg I have always absolutely LOVED this movie, i rarely see anyone mention it which is just a crime man..
Wicked used a ton of practical sets mixed with some cgi you can check it out but I agree that the low saturation can make it look washed out but I feel it's because they were going for a more pastel & soft palette
It’s a shame the film is so uneven because everything with the China Girl is top tier, especially when Oscar helps her walk again and she begs him to let her tag along. Also, Disney had plans to build their own Oz (designed by the guy behind Splash Mountain, Big Thunder Mountain, and Star Tours) where Galaxy’s Edge in Disneyland is now but this movie wasn’t as successful as they had hoped
modern disney is so bad that is making us reconsider mediocre movies cuz they aint that bad as what we have now lol
I already thought Oz the Great and Powerful was a decent film
Yes.
I know it isn't Disney (Well i guess it is now 😂) but i watched Daredevil (the 2003 movie) the other day with my Girlfriend and she hadn't seen the movie before so i said to her "By the way it isn't the good, so don't go in expecting the Netflix series", so she did lower expectations and weirldy when the mocie finished we both said "That wasn't that bad" and she said that she was expecting to be a lot worse because i warned her. 😅
And even yesterday i was speaking to someone about it who was a adult when the mocie came out and said that he wasn't a fan of it then, but now it's definitely grown on him.
And that has seemed to happen with a lot of movies that when originally released wasn't well received, but now are seem as alright if not pretty good movies.
Like people speak highly of Spider-man 3, The Star Wars Prequels, even some of the weaker MCU movies like Thor 2, Iron Man and The Incredible Hulk.
And even myself would argee that they aren't as bad as people used to say they were.
Basically the Bad Movies of 20 years ago are the good movies of Today and the good movies of 20 years ago are considered great movies today and the great movies of 20 years ago... god i have no idea where they fucked off to? 😂😂😂
My thoughts exactly
@@HeyJay2000 The Wizard of Oz (1939) It’s a Wonderful Life, Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory (1971), Pinocchio (1940), none of them were that popular or well-received when they came out but they ended up being considered classics later on
Modern WDAS is trying too hard to imitate live-action trends--the bad ones, not the good ones. They're overthinking it.
I love this movie. Still remember like yesterday.
Loved this movie growing up
Hmm this is an odd take, Oz the great and powerful has a completely different tone (story wise) so it makes sense that they’d be different. Oz the great and powerful is quite a juvenile story so it makes sense that the colours would be bright and unrealistic, to attract younger viewers. Wicked however, especially if they’re pulling more from the source material is darker and more grounded in real life. So it makes sense that it wouldn’t be garishly bright and colourful. Let’s not get into the writing and character development in OTGAP, that would be another argument 😂
What is your problem with the writing of that movie?
@@Andyfierd In my opinion it comes across as slightly misogynistic. The original Oz books are very female led, most of the key power players are women and I feel like this film glosses over that to make them all revolve around Francos character. Like are you really telling me The wicked Witch of the West (one of the most iconic villains in movie history) is wicked because she was scorned by a man? Please 😂 The source material is there and in the public domain, why didn’t the writers pull more from that? So much missed potential, especially with Michelle Williams and Rachel Weiz as cast!
@@jacobmason2986 I think that this one was a different story to tell. It can be disappointing, I get it, but the movie was about Oz and his journey to became a better man…and I think that the movie does this quite well. I also think that the only woman revolving around Oz is Mila Kunis, Evanora and Glinda were very much focused on what the wanted…
And yet all y’all are the same fools that yapped about Zack Snyder being “colorless”.
Putting this with Narnia in the "Disney should've made this an animated musical" pile (though in this case, keep the characters, but change the setting to avoid unnecessary comparison to the 1939 musical).
8:16, agreed. It’s an underrated film
people always complain that hollywood is out of ideas and un original. yet they make an origin story and people cant accept it? hilarious. yes i liked this movie.
I don't understand why Wicked has gone for the softer pastel or washed out style. I'm hoping that this is just for the trailer and the final look will be more vibrant and saturated similar to Oz and the stage show
I always liked this movie so when people were saying they didn't ever think it was good was shocking.
I don’t agree. Wicked does use practical sets and effects. It just has a more pastel color palette. I don’t think it looks lacking in personality at all. It has a lot of excessive grandiose detail, but I think there’s a decent thematic reason for that. I’m hoping part 2 will have darker, richer tones since the second act is much more grim.
The Oz movies look ok. I never thought they were ugly, aside from maybe some of the costuming and some over saturation at times. I certainly don’t think that they are everything missing from modern cinema, as they’re pretty much just another attempt to bank on nostalgia with a mediocre origin story.
I enjoyed this very much too. I thought it was fun with charming characters and very nice emotional moments.
8:16 I agree. This was one of the few films holding (what was left of) my childhood up and I don't necessarily get all the criticism that's been thrown at the movie. In a whole, I think it was great and to be honest, the new Wicked movie looks extremely similar.
I just finished watching it and it was actually pretty good
I actually loved this move and saw it twice in theater bc i love the twist of how we got the wicked witch. Im even more excited to see wicked
Ok I don’t get the wicked criticism because these two movies look IDENTICAL
Or maybe you’re blind
@@Andyfierd lol ok bye. Wicked looks good
@@Andyfierd Or maybe you're a little threatened. Cynthia Erivo is a talent and I know she'll knock her role out of the park
@@suezcontours6653 i don’t care what she’ll do or if the movie will be good. My point is that the two movies clearly don’t look identical, and it’s pretty evident.
@@Andyfierd its looks good also there are still in post production and movie isnt set to come out til the end of the year there is a lot of more work to be done
I loved it.. I found it enchanting!!
I enjoyed this film. It was visually stunning and there were characters you care about. I would rather this than someone trying to remake the original OZ film. Some films will never be bettered ❤
My favorite movie 😊😊😊
Main problem with OTGAP is that it take some of the most powerful figures in Oz that literally rule different factions of Oz and make them simp for a man (James Franco no less) the script is just inherently misogynistic. Sure the movie looks amazing and has some good performances but that doesn’t take away from the fact they took away from such powerful women for a hero complex
The only one “simping” on Oz is Mila Kunis character… Evanora and Glinda are very much focused on their plan.
@@Andyfierd and it was her downfall.
I guess I'm the only one who liked Mila Kunis' performance.
I loved her performance.
such a good video, keep it up!!
I loved this movie and do think it is greatly under rated.
I thought it was enjoyable
I really liked the movie, before watching this video i rewatched the movie and i still like it very much, by no means its perfect but its good
I thought you were about to say "I really liked the movie before watching this video" lmao
I’m sorry but the wicked movie looks beautiful. They used mostly practical sets too
In oz the great the powerful the wizard is the good guy of the movie, while in wicked the wizard is the villian
Everything that doesn't involve the romance in this movie is good, but the whole love triangle or whatever it is with the witches, sucks.
my thought exactly, they should focus on the three witches.
Oz the great powerful but this movie on Disney plus and long ranger
This movie is one of my favorites. Although the acting could have been much better and a few improvements could've been made to make this movie "greater and more powerful", it's a generally good movie to watch. It flashes back to the classic "Wizard of Oz" in the 1900s while also picking up pieces from the book (ex. China Country). There are twists to the story in this movie, the action scenes captivates your attention, and there is character development (if putting the dryness aside. Ex. Theodora's downfall).
This is just me, personally.
I love this film and how it shows Glenda's descent into evil for the oldest reason in the world. She was betrayed by a man and her sister tricked her. You dont need complicated plots to create villians, sometimes things that are very human can work even better.
Theadora, not Glinda. Glinda is the good guy.
@@kp22kc yes you're right, sorry. Been a few years since I saw the film :)
I loved this movieee much needed lore
I actually think the wicked trailer looks more beautiful imo
You didn’t like Mila as Theodora????
The film was pretty good and the casting for the three witches were pretty good. I think that it got a bad reputation as a movie. It had got a couple of Oscar nominations for costume design and production design and original song for Almost Home. James Franco was pretty good as The Wizard and Zach Braff as the sidekick was hilarious.
I saw the original script for this movie and Oz is actually more likable than this version, here is main differences between the original and final scripts:
- When Oz arrived in Oz, he is greeted by the Winkie, just like how Dorothy greeted by the Munchkin. Theodora then came riding her winged monkeys just like Glinda with her bubbles. Through the journey, she is guided by two Winged Monkeys, Kala and Nikko.
- Fuddles, Hammerheads, Miss Cuttenclips and her paper soldier make appearances when Glinda introduced Oz to the people of Oz. On the enemy side, The Nomes, Growleywogs, and Whimsies also appeared, and they are said to originate from outside of Oz, possibly the Land of Ev since that how it is in the book, the land of Nomes also in the land of Ev like in the book. This is might be why the choose "Evanora" as the name for the Wicked Witch of the East, since the Kingdom of Ev monarch's name all started with Ev (Evoldo, Evna. etc.) In Return to Oz, Dorothy actually visit this place. Evanora bring her army of Nomes, Growleywogs, and Whimsies by digging a tunnel so they can cross the deadly desserts. This is taken from the book The Emerald City of Oz. In face, many element from the original script is taken from that book.
- China Girl did not appeared but people from Dainty China Country are present
-Horse of Different Color make appearances as Oz's steed when they went to the battlefield. They were refered as Horse of Different Color, they dropped this possibly to avoid copyright from 1939 movie.
- Theodora become a Wicked Witch much latter than in the movie because she has a doubt about her sister and she tried her best to fight her Wickedness. It was not just she thought Oz betrayed her but because Evanora force her ( she grabbed her hair and force her to make decision because she need it to defeat Glinda)
- Oz is less womanized, in the movie she flirt with many woman and give them same music box. In the original script, the three woman he seduced merge into one character named "Margaret Hamilton". She is a composite of Annie Gale, May, and the wife of another circus member whose husband tried to kill OZ after he found out about the affair. He talked to her about his dreams like he did to Annie Gale in the final and it seems serious rather than a fling. He did not use the music box at all. The second one is Theodora but that is because he is swayed by the mood. Oz introduced all his magical trick to Theodora including the Music Box (this is the first time he use it compare to the movie where he use it with different woman). He also didnt kiss Theodora. She step back before going to far under the guise of finding more fire woods for the campfire. After she left, Oz said something to himself like this: "Innocent girl like that? You oughta be ashamed of yourself."
- The identity of The Cowardly Lion: when Theodora fetch fire woods, she contact her sister and she want to prove if she was truly a wizard. He took a rabbit and change it into a lion and use that to attack Oz. After he succesfuly drove it away, she peak from the tree and said "satisfied, sis?" She is way cooler. Mind you that unlike in the movie, Theodora and Oz are not couple yet. Both of them never confess, Theodora never realized her feeling or admit it hence she never asked Oz for her to be his queen. Though she secretly does has a crush on him.
- The reason Theodora turned Wicked: in the movie, its more because of the love triangle. In the script, its because he is trying to kill her, or at least that is what Evanora want her to think. (note: in this version, Oz also never flirt with Evanora at all nor the latter trying to use that to lie to Theodora). During the scene in the room full of money, Evanora asked Oz if he want the gold, he need to kill the Wicked Witches (as in more than one). Oz was confused at first, but Evanora said the second wicked witches is Theodora. She gave him a knife and disappeared. Oz ran as fast as he can to warn Theodora in her room. He tried to escape with her. Both before he can finish his sentence, Evanora appeared and use here telekinesis to knock him out and then throw him to prison. She said to Theodora that Oz is a fake wizard and tried to kill both of them.
- Theodora suspect her sister might be lying and she too has a bit of suspicion toward Evanora. So she write a letter to Oz and gave it to one of her monkeys, Kala, along with the key of his cell. Oz however already free himself through his own trick and then bump into Kala. Kala helped Oz escape. However, he dropped the letter from Theodora.
- Finley is replaced with Kala.
- When Glinda and Oz talk about striking back, Oz ask Glinda about Theodora, hoping they can bring her to their side. He care for her more in this version, although not romantically.
- Glinda use the bubble more frequently.
- Another element from the book that appear in the movies is the leaf that let you walk on the water from the Valley of Voe from "Dorothy and the Wizard of Oz" and Ripple Land also appear as well.
- Oz never flirt with Glinda until the very end where he try to kiss her but she warned him than he will died if he do it.
- Glinda offer him to go home but he choose to stay because he can make a difference here that at home (like a true isekai protagonist). And he said "There's no place like Oz".
- While Mr. Tinker did not appeared, There are character called Master Elf who owned the company Smith & Tinker, it appeared on the book. The company operate by elves, like Santa Claus workshop.
There is more so i suggest you check it yourself: thescriptlab.com/wp-content/uploads/scripts/OZ-THE-GREAT-AND-POWERFUL.pdf
The original script might not be perfect and def need more polished. But i think it has a lot of things they can use that can make the final product much better.
I hear they’re making a reimagining of Wizard of Oz to follow up but I would do another chapter before that. Oscar establishing himself as the wizard. The ruby slippers could be put into play here for a way to Evanora to restore her powers and seek revenge on Glinda and Oscar. Evanora tries to reconcile with Theodora and recruit her. Theodora agrees but it is all a ploy so that when Evanora fails, she’ll get the ruby slippers. After a battle, it seems Evanora is about to win. That’s when Dorothy’s house falls on her and kills her. Roll credits. Then a remake of the original to wrap up a trilogy.
Also, due to Evanora’s new found powers, and Theodora’s rage towards Oscar; they somehow manage to break his spirit. Due to that, he and Glinda have a falling out and go their separate ways. After that he hides away in the emerald city and goes back to being the coward he was before. Hence it would make sense why he is the way he is, and hears of Dorothy killing Evanora and that’s what makes him give the task of Dorothy killing Theodora.
I keep brainstorming. One last thing, due to the sisters wreaking havoc in Oz, breaking Oscar and their relationship ending and Oscar abandoning her; Glinda becomes slightly bitter and jaded underneath her normal demeanor. So when she sees Dorothy arrive in Oz by unintentionally killing Evanora, she sees an opportunity to manipulate Dorothy into going to the Emerald City to see Oscar and from there kill Theodora. Glinda ultimately will win. With the sisters both dead, she gets revenge for her father and for them playing a part in her and Oscar’s relationship falling apart. Last but not least getting revenge on Oscar by getting him exposed, but in doing so helps him find who he was and realizing it’s time to find a way home.
I enjoyed OZ even though the story wasn’t perfect. Now I’m imagining what a musical version of this story would look like; Disney should’ve taken that route!
I saw this in 4th grade and theodora after she ate the wicked apple scared me, I drew a picture in art class and I even drew a flying monkey next to her transformed look
I've been saying this since it came out.
I mean, I never thought it was bad. The prolog is a bit too ling, but otherwise it was pretty good
Was Mila really bad? I don't know. 🤔I'm not sure
Ok, I didn't hate this movie either, but the original movie wasn't in black and white, it was sepia
I like live action remake I hope do more I enjoy the little mermaid and beauty and the beast Aladdin and the lion king and Cinderella and and marry poppins and dumb and Pinocchio and Alice in wonderland and Christopher Rodin and crualla and lady and the tramp Pete dongan and the jungle book I could like more remakes with the same story line the worst ailce and the look glass and Peter pan and Wendy and Mulan and maleficent movie s stop doing reboots ok I want more Live action telling same story from Animated classic please for all of them in live action
Mila Kunis's acting here was atrocious
Welp...We're going to know this movie is a masterpiece when comparing to Wizard of Oz, Doctor Strange MOM, and Wicked. Theodora Wicked Witch of the West is going to be more better than Wicked Witch (Film I mean.)
...I hate that we have to rely on our own immagination to write out a good ending for poor Theodora. I am still hurt by this yet love this film because I am a Magician myself.
They made each character a airhead. That's what lost me. If the wizard was the only airhead with ditzy personality, this would have been good.
I think there are a lot of issues with this film. I enjoyed it when I saw it in theaters. The Wizard is a complete jerk so I completely understand why Theodora goes green. However there wasn't enough time of them together for their relationship to seem real to me. Seeing a younger versions of the Wizard, Glinda, The Wicked Witch of the West and East are interesting to see. So now to me it's not as good as I thought it was when I saw it 11 years ago, but it's not the worst movie ever.
This movie is mid at best but most people went to watch wanting it be wicked and it wasn't wicked not even close
Beautiful color and good definition but ultimately the film falls flat...
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It was ok
Completely forgettable
None of this makes Mila Kunis a good actress.
No this movie actually sucks :// it’s cute that they tried, but a fail is a fail. The writing of this script FULLY misses the mark on capturing the essence of Baum’s Oz and its characters. The Wizard canonically usurps the established monarchy and builds the City of Emeralds and Road of Yellow Brick yet this backstory is absent from the adaptation.
Nobody in this world is meant to be perfect except for God and we are all humans and we all make mistakes in life.